>Upgrade & Build AdvicePost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases (e.g. video editing, competitive gaming, streaming etc.) and your country.>NewsSept 27th for Zen4/AM5 launch, Oct for B650 boards, RDNA3 reveal on Nov 3rdRTX 4080 12GB (AD104) $900, RTX 4080 16GB (AD103) $1100, RTX 4090 (AD102) $1600RTX 4090 release on Oct 12th>CPUsHTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105Budget Gaming: i3 12100/F > R5 5500Gaming: R5 5600/X. i5 12400/FMulticore: R9 5900X/5950X, i7 12700F/12900FBest Gaming: R7 5800X3D>GPUsBudget 1080p: Used GTX 1060/1070, GTX 1660 Super RX 470/5801080p: RX 6600, RTX 3060Ti1440p: RX 6700 XT, RTX 30702160p: RTX 3080/Ti, RTX 3090Ti, RX 6900 XTProduction: RTX 3090Ti (avoid AMD)>RAM:DDR4: 4x 8GB DDR4 3600CL16 (any rank) or 2x dual-rank 16GB DDR4 3600CL16DDR5: 2x 16GB 5600MHz Kingston>PSUsGold, Platinum or Titanium from Seasonic, Superflower, Corsair, EVGA (aim for 50% of total PC power)https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/>SSDshttps://ssd.borecraft.com/>Monitorshttps://www.rtings.com/monitor/https://pcmonitors.info/https://www.displayninja.com/buying-guide/Previous: >>88759980
So, 7600x or 13600k? I want something that can slug through unoptimized pos software.
>>88770370It's funny how they equate a 5950X at 142 W with a 12900K at 241 W. All AMD columns could look the same, really.
>>88770370Is my 850W PSU OBSOLETE? /g/ told me it won't be. Could it be that you faggots LIED?
>>88770414The CPUs aren't even released yet. Get yourself a crystal globe.
>>88770427only if you buy intel + nvidia
>>88770422Chart is accurate for zen4 IMO, while raptor i9 should be shifted to another column with +50-100W
>>88770436The new 16-pin header won't materialize on my PSU by itself to plug into AMD cards next gen.
>>88770451AMD aren't adopting the 16+4 connector until RDNA4, also there's adaptors.
>>88770451Regardless, it's safer to stick to the 8-pin connector until pci-sig figures out the durability of the 12vhpwr connector
>>88770496thats why AMD isn't switching for RDNA3
>>88770434They will be soon enough. Get yourself a leaker
>>88770370whens the gemmiest time of year to buy a new monitor
>1000Wyes that's pretty cool but can you bring your PC on flights?
>>88770370I've been a loyal buyer of Intel and Nvidia since the beginning.Is 12400 + 3060ti good enough right even when PS6 is out? Im only sticking with 1080p, I dont feel like building power hungry cpu for a hobby thats dying cause theres barely any games I really enjoy, I keep ending up playing low cpu + low gpu usage with coom games like the ending of the trilogy of the famous trilogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSK1EcbLdTc
>>88770646Uh bro this isnt /a/ even though character is /g/
>>88770646how come you haven't used advanced technology to turn yourself into a cute cyborg girl yet /pcbg/?
>>88769771The only people testing this are faggot Youtubers. LTT tested a few and found the difference negligible. His tests were missing controls, something someone with as much money as he does should really have had no trouble arranging, so it's difficult to say for sure, whether that tiny variance was from age or from use. I think the they should be treated as any other second hand GPU - some cards will be in better condition than others, and not brand new cards may have been mistreated. Check the reputation of the seller as you should be doing anyway.I think a better question for you would be, is whether it's bad to buy it now, and not when the 4xxx gpus are out, because at that point you could probably snag something better for cheaper. Why not wait a few months?
>>88770370OPs chart doesn't make sense. now all AMD R7's are equal. a 5700g is 65w while a 5800x can pbo up to 142w. 3080s vary from 320w reference to 450w for OC cards. This is also before transient spikes are taken into account.
>>88770766not all AMD R7's are equal*
I'm curious, has anyone got their unlicensed Windows 10 legitimized by updating to 11?I signed up for Release Preview last year and my uncracked 10 seems to get legitimized.
>>88770414>I want something that can slug through unoptimized pos software.doesn't exist
>>88770640go 11400 + 1660 for cheap low power system
>>88770834I want to be greedy a bit with 120+ fps for 99% of the games since I enjoy my 1080p 165hz monitor.I currently use 6600k and 1060 6gb
>>88770574ive always wondered this. dont checked bags get literally thrown? is there any fragile classification that could avoid this?would it be better to ship your PC to where you're going?
>>88770908Best solution is buy the seat next to you and put your PC there. Like the Amiga team did it.
Is Raytracing just some lighting mods that eats up FPS? I remember using those mods from NBA 2k games and GTA SA
>>88770766Yeah they always oversimplify and over-provision on these things. Of course it's better to get accurate power numbers, and these days accurate info on transients, but you can't exactly convey that information to the general public in a simple chart.
>Check temps while stress testing>One core is 7C hotter than the core beside itWhy is it like this Bros? Why can't chip makers apply equal pressure?
>>88771016It's a completely new way of rendering lighting. Basically simulating actual light in real time instead of having loads of different systems for shadows, reflections, god rays, diffraction etc.
>chink gpuShould I? The prices are getting good there
>>88771016raytracing is a fundamentally backwards way of rendering stuff in 3Dyou can do certain things that are almost impossible with any other technique, such as complex self-inter-reflection, but games almost never use it that way and just lock some basic feature like shadows, ambient occlusion, and mirror reflections behind it instead
>>88771029It's not necessarily pressure. That core might be under higher load, need more voltage, have higher resistance, be binned worse, and so on. Going direct-die can mitigate all that but a 7C delta isn't much in the grand scheme of things. Maybe better than average, even.
>>88771073>Basically simulating actual lightray tracing does not do thisfor that you need a spectral path tracer (real light is not RGB) and a physically accurate (NOT physically "based" which can mean anything) material model, such as lux or maxwell, extremely heavy offline renderers that take 4 hours per frame even with gpu acceleration
>>88770370So me with a 650W and a 3700X if I were to buy a 3070ti or 3070 I am fucked?
>>88770481>>88770504High end AIB cards could use it if they really wanted.
>>88771123Yeah that's true. I was just simplifying it for him.
>>88771126Depends on the model. A cheaper 650 with undersized caps might shut down and even an expensive one may trip OCP if it's too sensitive. The upshot is that, so long as it's not a complete fire hazard, the net result will simply be a turned-off PC. If that happens you can try tuning the power limits and/or voltage or simply buy a better unit.
>>88771117If my average CPU temp is like 83 but my hottest core is 92 is that bad?
>>88771183I have a Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum 650W.
>>88771210https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/> Be aware that strictly multi-rail units (without a possibility to switch to single-rail mode) can trip with very high power draw GPUs (RTX3080/RX6800XT and higher) and/or CPUs (unlocked Intel i7/i9 or AMD Threadripper) due to lower OCP tripping point when the load on rails is unbalanced. Read the manual and balance out the load if that happens.You should be good so long as you didn't put everything on one rail. Even then they say it's only a problem with 3080s and up.Again, worst comes to worst - your PC just shuts down. Then you know to try a) balancing the load and b) turning down the power a bit.
>>88771206Sounds about average for a modern soldered chip. Frankly, C2C delta only really matters if you're pushing an overclock or if it's really bad (like 20C+). If you're overclocking you can try adjusting the per-core frequency/voltage if your CPU supports it. It's a bit more work so maybe not worth if you're already satisfied with the performance. If you're running stock just leave it.
>>88771255Yeah I'd be just moving from a 1070 to a 3070 most likely. 3070 prices are kinda down and I am really thinking about it to upgrade it.
Did Titan get replaced/renamed as x090?
>buy 6 cheap argb fans>pc becomes a jet enginewhat do?
will a 4080 fit there?
>>88771330get a measuring tape and look at the dimensions in the specs
>>88771330check 4080 size - your GPU size then check leftover spaceprobably won't fit though
Is the 3060 the best budget purchase for rendering and small "deep learning" shit? I've read that the 3060ti has too little vram.
>>88771330shortest gpu atm is 332mmWhat case is it? Shooting from hip i think the case fits 340mm gpu
>gpu architecture has the name of a homosexual>it's the worst gpu series nvidia ever releasedfags are really cursed
>>88771330no chance unless you take out the fans but then the 4080 will cook.
>>88771330>1200 shekel gpu>2 shekel cpu cooler
>>88771488Lovelace is arguably worse.
>>88771313Sell it to the next lgbt retard
>>88771589Performance jump was massive, it's just Nvidia went full kike.
daily/hourly reminder that we still know literally nothing about the 40 series actual raster performance
>https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-40-series-let-down/>media spends the last 9 months telling people to just wait for new nvidia cards, that miners will be BTFO and that there will be a glut of 3000 series cards once PoS hits and people should stay away because it's poison anyway>people running wild saying Nvidia SURELY wouldn't charge considering there's no demand for ETH mining, pandemic is mostly over and parts and freight costs have been dropping>nvidia lifts the lid on overpriced housefire cards with spec sheets and perf claims that clearly don't add up>media: wtf why is Nvidia lying to us?You were all warned that this would happen. Now fucking sleep in it. Take out a loan, dumbasses
>>88771710I hate consumer whores so much it's unreal. They buy and buy and buy, until suddenly, they can't buy. Then they act confused, get angry, and blame everyone but themselves. Literal NPC behavior.
>>88771665I stopped giving a fuck about newer series GPUs of NvidiaI refuse to buy it because 4070 spec card is being sold as 4080Nvidia can starve for their greed.
I will buy a 4090
>>88771764>I hate consumer whores so much it's unreal. They buy and buy and buy, until suddenly, they can't buy. Then they act confused, get angry, and blame everyone but themselves. Literal NPC behavior.Pretty much. All part of Nvidia's plan to make AIB's obselete and continue their transformation into an Apple-like entity with full control over their supply chain and a cultish fanaticism for their overpriced products.
>>88771330shitty cable management.
>4xxx or RDNA3>Zen4 or Raptor Lake>27" 1440p or 27" 4k>Small tits big ass or big tits small ass
>>88771710I think its retarded they designed and finalized the architecture apparently betting that the mining boom would continue on through when they had to sell the new product.
7900XT uses 308mm2 of N5, which nets 229 GCD dies from a 70685mm2 wafer (300mm diameter) which works out to roughly $75 per GCD die from a $17000 wafer.they're also using 6x 37.5mm2 of N6 per MCD, or 225mm2 from a 70685mm2 wafer nets 1884 MCDs or $5.31 per MCD * 6 or $31.86 for a 7900XT.compare this to the 520mm of N7 for a 6900XT from 70685 nets about 135 Navi 21 dies, which works out to $74.1 per die. that's only a $33 increase of the BOM.That isn't taking into account the price increases on stuff like PCBs and heatsinks and ram but like the 6950XT that was released May of this year showed, 10% increase of MSRP can cover the increase in BOM without hurting margins.Once again I predict the 7900XT could easily have an MSRP of $1099 like the 6950XT.
>PC monitors are still a fucking mess, with your only options being overpriced OLEDs if you want good contrast, good blacks, and no smearing>Nvidia going to levels of greed previously thought impossible while AMD is only starting to unfuck their drivers and playing catch up on DLSS with FSR Yup, guess I'm sitting on my 2070 another few years until I can get a 4k 32" Micro-LED monitor for a decent price and pick up a GPU fit for it for under €1000
How do i find replacements for laptop screws?I have the specifications for the screws right hereM2 x 4.5LAnd M2 x 3.5LBut when i search on amazon (or wherever) i get no results
>RTX 3080 was and will be the last ever good GPU purchase
>>88771867>they laughed at me when I bought a 3080 Strix for MSRP>who's laughing now
>>88771777Checked. Tbh I am absolutely buying 40 series. I mean I am going to wait and see what AMD offers, but im not holding my breath. I havent built myself a computer in over a decade, im not going to buy old shit just because people are seething im going to get the best hardware, whatever that is.
>>88771771Novidia will be stuck with both ampere and lovelace mountain of unsold cards because they're too retarded to understand what recession means lol.https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-predicts-third-quarter-sales-below-expectations-2022-08-24/
>>88771787>a cultish fanaticism for their overpriced products.I've only been in the PC space for about 10 years, and even back then Nvidia had that. I really dodged a bullet with the GTX 770.
>>88771843Chiplet approach going to clobber Novidia too?
>>88771918I remember when AMD was stuck with a boatload of r9 290s after the first Bitcoin bubble burst.Guess their lack of supply saved AMD this time, while Nvidia is eating the losses now.>>88771710Must consume and blame capitalism.
>>88771918nah people will buy up Lovelace like the good coonsumers they are
>>88771926AMD is keeping mum but are quietly confident about a slaughterhouse in raster and twice the RT performance of Ampere, but Lovelace seemingly has thrice the RT performance of Ampere so Nvidia wins that.
>>88771971They'll just paperlaunch 4090 and claim it's selling like hotcakes, don't be stupid.
>>8877183540901370032” 4kSmall tit big ass
>>88771843>couldThat's the key word here. It's very possible, but that doesn't mean it will happen. AMD could just as easily undercut Nvidia by $100 at each tier and force everyone to get used to new, even more overpriced GPU pricing.
>>88771972>but Lovelace seemingly has thrice the RT performance of Ampere so Nvidia wins thatand retards will eat it up like usualmore AMD cards for me
>>88771330>>88771453That's the Cooler Master NR200 case. The faggot might not know himself.
>>88771843>i thinkWhat you think is fucking pointless. Its so cringe how AMDrones act like their company is somehow the good guy. I THINK that AMD will just SLIGHTLY undercut NIVIDIA. You will be saving less than $100 on similar tier products.
>>88771917This. I have not built in 7 years. I worked my way through school, saved, and now make 6 figures. I am buying a 4090.
>>88771918Tfw I can wait for 4060 release next yearThey can tempt me all they want, high specs, more power. But the real problem is that there is not much games to begin with that can maximize all that power and specs.I dont give a fuck about raytracing which gimps the performance for retarded reasons then cheat with DLSS techIm just a mid-range consumer.
>>88772036And yet 6900XT was $999 and 3090 $1499, retard.
So is the 3000 series out of production once the 4000 series launches or will they still produce a small amount of cards? Considering the insane size of the 4000 series the 3080 seems to be what I want when I build my pc next spring
>>88772036>I THINK that AMD will just SLIGHTLY undercut NIVIDIAyou're basing that on nothing, I'm basing my estimates on the fact that the 6950XT launched this year in May for $1099 which was $100 above the 6900XT.
>disregard "leakers" who are just ecelebs in disguise>disregard obnoxious ecelebs who have a self interest to relay everything through hyperbole>disregard mainstream tech media as they're all hopeless and glorified product reviewers and marketers instead of someone with a CS or EE degree>disregard companies claims of performace uplift or how beneficial "features" are until only reputable people release objective reports after embargo liftsThis has been your friendly reminder if you're still new to PC hardware or just naive. I hope your build goes well and you have a nice day!
>>88772051Who is that semen demon?
>>88772113I don't think you need a CS degree to review consumer hardware, but otherwise you're completely right.
>>88772051then why do you need 40xx at all
>>88772089>>88772054Lmao Lisa your GPUs fucking suck and arent worth the gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
I think that if AMD's cards were MUCH lower price, they would have announced the price by now, saying to wait for full specs on X date. The day after Nvidia announcement was their turn to strike.There's a VERY tiny chance still I guess. But whenever 4090 preorders go up, if AMD hasn't announced their prices by then, I think we can safely assume their cards will be exactly the same price give or take $100 (which wont make them worth it since no CUDA, DLSS and worse RT)Anyways still holding strong
>>88772051Most games don't stress 20 series cards, let's be real here. My 1080 ti is still chuggin along, playing games near perfectly. Hell, I played Cyberpunk at launch with it just fine.
>>88772143AMD will cuck out because they're cucks.
>>88772129newer chips are usually more efficient, so in a sane world buying a newer, lower end chip is more cost effective than an older, more power hungry chip
So this gen5 psu thing, with the pins. I can't find any info about it.I have a bequiet dark power pro 12 and it does have 12pin cables, but the new 4000cards require 16?
>>88772143>which wont make them worth it since no CUDA, DLSS and worse RTTotally not an Jewvidia shill btw.
>>88772129My pc is super slow nowadays and needs some to be replaced soonGPU whirs like some leaf blower on startupI just want some mid-range modern stuff. Still thinking 5800x3d or 7600x
>>88772044Exactly. And honestly the price of the 4090 isnt even that crazy. Only $100 more than the 3090, after accounting for inflation and NVIDIA switching to TSMC (who are more expensive than Samsung from the beginning ans increased their prices) it definitely doesnt seem too out of line. What they did with the 80 series is a whole other discussion.
>>88772151>1080 tistill basically no reason for anything more powerful to exist lol
>>88772143People don't understand supply constraints from TSMC is the cause of high prices.It's not like there is excess capacity to make lower end chips to make money on a volume strategy.Until we get more fabrication capacity there is no out for GPU prices.
>>88772125Try to explain to me the finer aspects of PSU efficiency with only a journalism degree and without sounding like you're reading bullet points straight from the manufacturer. Are you going to spend the next week reading up EE details fact checking them when your EIC wants some shitty review done in under 2 days?
>>88772051>4060 is $600how'd you react?
>>88772197The 1080 ti is the best thing to happen for consumers, and the worst thing Nvidia ever did for their business.
>>88772189Dont fucking try and justify your purchases to these seething homos. Its the most reddit shit ive ever seen. If you want to buy the latestest gen do it.>im buying a 4090 b..but please dont flame me i need it for ML and AI!I know you arent getting a 90 series but still same idea.
>>88772219should i buy a 1080 ti
>>88772191>4090 price is good because its only $100 than the most overpriced GPU of all timekek
>>887721303090 Released 1st Sept 2020 $14996900XT Released 28th October 2020 $999
>>88772204does it have to be 5 microangstroms? use a higher volume process for lower end chips to be sold more cheaply then
Should I get an MSI 3080Ti or an EVGA 3080ti?
When is AMD announcing their gpus again?
>>88772235No, not at all. Go for a used RTX 3080 or a new 3070 ti.
>>88772235If you don't have a GPU from any of the series above the 1080 ti, and are in need of a GPU, I see absolutely no reason not to.
>>88772241>what were titans>what was the 3090 tiTry again next time anon
>>88772129Usually you need newer hardware for decoding/encoding of whatever they're pushing now, and for Nvidia they're known to gimp their older cards too and to lock support for new stuff to new cards even if it can run on older cards too.
>>88772143They could sell at half the price of Nvidia per tier and still make bank. But they won't. Either way, AMD is closely watching the reactions right now. They want to be able to squeeze every dollar they can out of potential customers.
>>88772241Yes. Thats exactly what I said. A relative comparison to its last gen counterpart and its not a crazy price increase. I mean did you seriously expect it to be cheaper???
>>88772272>dlss 3 games come out>can't be used with dlss 2 cards>effectively disabled dlss 2 for older cardsgenius
>>88772294>>88772284I asked about those two because they were the lowest prices
>>88772249>>88772284sorry i messed up the order FTW3 is the best I meant
>>88772335>I asked about those two because they were the lowest pricesI don't know anything about the evga but I would stay away from 3080/ti MSI cards at all costs
>>88772272If you're talking about AV1 you get decoding for that on all current gen cards. 4000 series will have AV1 encoding but don't expect it to come close to CPU encoding in terms of quality.
>>88772204AMDs GPUs are going to be made on a more mature process and use the same chiplet design their CPUs use. Zen 4 CPUs haven't increased in price by that much because the demand is low. AM5 motherboard prices are insane, although that could just be for the first couple of months to squeeze retarded whales. Guess what other demand dropped off like a rock recently? GPUs are not taking up all the floorspace at TSMC anymore because mining is dead for the foreseeable future.
>>88772375>AMDs GPUs are going to be made on a more mature process4 nm is a 5 nm refresh. Don't be fooled, it's like when AMD "shrunk" Polaris from 14 nm to 12 nm.
>>88772189>GPU whirs like some leaf blower on startupGet some new thermal paste and pads on that thing. Problem solved.
>>88772375>>88772412nanometers has been false advertising since 45nm or something
>>88772439Just saying, 4 nm is the same process as 5 nm. Obviously the number doesn't reflect physical reality, but that's a different issue.
>>88772412The main point is that they rearranged some things, and that always equals higher failure rates for at least 6 months. The size isn't what matters so much, everyone knows that due to Intel.
>>887722503rd of November
>>88772228I usually just buy between 6-7 yearsPersonally Im still on the fence between 3060ti and 4060 and wanted more insightIts just theres no game to make me go crazy and activate consoom mode.Last time 2 time that activated consoom mode was Crysis for 9800gx2 and the other is Neptunia VII for 1060>>88772209Uuuuh check for 3060ti prices hopefully pricedrops due to dead ethAnything above $400 is too much for me>>88772422What are the odds for fucking up and ends up buying a gpu, are you tricking me moshe?
>>887724754060 could actually be slower than 3060 Ti if they gimp it as much as they gimped the 3060.
>>88772412only Nvidia is using 4nm, AMD is using a mixture of 5nm for its graphics complex die and 6nm for its memory complex dies
>>88772475back in the crysis days buying the most powerful hardware possible and overclocking the hell out of it would legitimately bring your framerates up from 45 to 60+now you can get 150 fps instead of 100 at 4k, big deal, who cares
>>88772508Wait what?Is that even possible?You mean the scenario where its performance is only good on goytracing and dlss?
>>88772580its just r*ddit hyperbole so dont pay it attentionnobody knows the announced cards performance and people are overreacting that lovelace is already a failure
>>88772475Replacing thermal paste and pads is really easy. It's hard to screw up. Just do a little research and apply some common sense as always. Just be extra sure you get the right thermal pads, because if they're too thin, they won't make contact. If you have a really old GPU. or a low tier one, you only need to do thermal paste. Arctic MX-5 is a relatively cheap and safe bet. Liquid metal paste can screw things up if you're not absolutely sure of what you're doing.
>>88772469So release in December maybe?
>>88772533>now you can get 150 fps instead of 100 at 4kits more like 150 fps from 138 fps at stock because modern boosting algorithms are just that good, but your point still stands
>>88772475Yeah if you are only buying every 6-7 years you might as well get the absolute best hardware at your respective price points. With how long you are waiting you arw already getting massive bang for your buck. Again dont listen to these seething retards.
Too broke to upgrade anymore have 3pcs and just shitposting.Is the 4070 the most hated pre launch gpu ever? Love my 2080ti and 6900xt glad I skipped the 3xxx and 4xxx series seem like retarded mid generation refresh of Turing which at least offered something new and is still very useful outside of mining and gaming the Ai tensor cores and cuda aged like wine. Rt was and is an excellent waste of render budget
>>88772724from memory, it's about as hated as rtx2000 was. I think the hate on Turing might be even worse, as the gpus were literal downgrades at every price point except for the 2080Ti and rtxmeme was just that, a meme, as games didn't have rtx until like 6-9 months after launch
>>88772475>Its just theres no game to make me go crazy and activate consoom mode.Then don't buy a new GPU yet. If you're fine with your current resolution and framerate, don't upgrade for no reason. That's just poor financial sense.
>>88772800>Invest>Things just goes red>Dividends will cover paper losses if I hold for 2 years if things wont go further down, who am I kiddingI dont even know whats a good financial sense in 2022
Why did they give Ada the weird half and half cores? Wasted opportunity.
Which should I upgrade my 1070ti ; 6700 XT or 3070?
Is a 6600 XT good paired with 5600x for 1080p? Currently have a gtx 980. Lol.
oh my god stop asking about ancient cards
>>88772772I had a 2080ti since 2019They even had manufacture defects faulty vram and other driver issues tooPretty sure mines dying so ill probably just pick up another one for htpc cuda Ai shit
>>88770370https://www.corsair.com/newsroom/press-release/ready-to-go-beyond-fast-corsair-announces-compatibility-for-nvidia-40-series-graphics-cards>There’s no need to wait for future PSUs to support Intel’s new ATX 3.0 standard and CORSAIR’s power supplies already provide the needed reliability and quality components to support the higher power needs of the next generation of PC hardwareAAAA our stock stop selling! Please start buying again. No need for that new sleak 1 cable.
where can you buy used gpus? someone mentioned aliexpress but i don't see any good deals there. besides that i only know ebay
>>88772861imagine if all that die space was dedicated to compute units instead of meme bullshit like tensor and rt cores
>make giant monitor>won't accept multiple HDMI inputsWhat the fuck were they thinking
>>88771330I tried out an MSI Gaming X Trio 3070 in that case, which was 324mm in size, and that fit just fine (albiet a very close fit) when putting it in from the front panel (just pull off the front side). If what >>88771453 is true, than you might not be able to fit a 4080 in that. Just get a used 3080 for half price instead. Pic from website for that case.
What is the tensor core and rt core breakdown of the new cards did nvidia even release that
>>88772958The biggest customer base for designer and luxury products, are poor people who go broke to look more wealthy than they are. Fake world. Fake people.
Why does /pcbg/ shit on RT so much? Objectively it does make games that properly utilize it look better and clearly it isnt just some meme that will be left behind like SLI it definitely seems to be sticking around.
>>88773038Yeah but they buy Apple shit when it comes to technology
>>88773012It's a TV
>>88773012They want you to buy it without thinking, and then they can put that feature in the next one so you'll want to buy that one as soon as it comes out. They never make a product as good as it could be. Marketing is 100% manipulation.
>>88773048>games that properly utilize itname onethey just use it instead of equivalent raster techniques to waste processing power and make you consoom
>>88773064They buy an apple laptop to carry around and a prebuilt Intel + Nvidia desktop to play Fortnite and CoD on. They buy new computers every 3 years.
What's wrong with MSI gpus?
ADA LOVELACE does not look like much of an upgrade
>>88773167Same problem every GPU has. Gaymer design. No idea about customer service.
>>88772977>already provide the needed reliability and quality components to support the higher power needs of the next generation of PC hardwareI hope hwbusters reviews corsair's claims which sounds bogus as hell to meEven the newly released flagship psu, Seasonic TX-1600W, is limited to atx3.0 spec up to only 1000W of power draw.
>>88773208vega may have been shit hardware but it looked aestethic
What do you guys think? OwO
>EVGA was 40% of the NA card market fucking hell they gave that up?
>>88773308look at the absolute disaster that is ada
>everyone says GPU are gonna get cheaper>a fucking 3080 still cost 800€ in EUits fucking over, PC gaming is deadill just buy a cheap laptop to shitpost and watch anime
>>88773359most pc gamers are playing on low tier systems anyway
>>88773167nothing? MSI is pretty decent just dont buy their budget tier cards
>>88773308Doesn't affect me. I wasn't really planning on buying Nvidia this time around anyway. Going by their regular 1,000w and 1,300w power supply sales, I'm probably going to buy one of their power supplies
>>88773359they aren't in full panic mode yetlet them roast a bit moredon't buy until they are at your feet begging you to take one for a spit in their eye
>>88773359Anon, look at Steam's most used card. It's a fucking 1060. Gamers never really upgraded. They WILL lower the prices simply because gamers still won't buy.
nvidia literally just threw intel a lifeline
>>88773417I mean why upgrade if you didn’t fall for the 1440 or 4k meme? Most people play play toastershit like league and csgo.
Fuck it, just going to buy a cheap RDNA2 card, why would want I want to pay MSRP when Nvidiots are going to pay $2k for a gpu.
>>88773452And genshin impact, a phone game that doesn't even offer 120fps on pc.
Hmmm a 4090 or a 42" C2 OLED + Xbox series X. These are the questions people can seriously consider now.
>>88773472This isn't even a question when you consider Game Pass.
Hope AMD release a god tier card at $200.
>>88773527AMD has abandoned the low endthey literally are using the 580 as the tier below 6600
>>88773359>discover the existence of hentai games>never run out to play with low spec pc
>>88773452But some of us fell for the high fps monitorTheres no turning back for us and just want more juice.
Microcenter near my has an EVGA 3080Ti, should I get it?
Unironically when will price drops happen?
>>88773587We're the ones they want to fleece the most. At this point, almost everyone knows 4K is more or less pointless on a desktop for gaming for now, so high framerates there are a non-issue and a lot of GPUs can do a decent 60FPS there now. 1440p at 120FPS+ is where the money is at.
Hey guys I'm trying to "build" a PC for my nephew on one of those select-your-custom-config websites because he's 3 states away from me and I ain't walking a 15 year old through how to build a PC and I'm noticing that absolutely fucking every CPU cooling they have is some kind of liquid cooling / fan cooling hybrid.I ain't never fucking used liquid cooling before in my life. Is this the new norm? How does this shit work? Will my nephew have to replace the liquid every year or two? How does he do that? Help plox!Pic related.
How would liquid cooling work for a gpu? I might get the 4090, but that thing is way too big with fansI already run my cpu with liquid cooling, but I have no idea how to add a gpu to that
>>88773781in a proper liquid cooling setup you'd just add it to the loopbut most liquids nowadays are meme AIO's
>>88773781If you have a custom loop, you would wait for an aftermarket waterblock, replace the heatsink with it, and add it to the loop.Otherwise, someone likely has a AIO coming out.
how dumb will it be if I buy a 5800X3D now?
>>88771126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdohv96uGLwEven a 3080 will run just fine on a 650 if you don't OC
>3090 Ti listings increasing in price as Nvidia's horrible press continues
>>88773735No, its just a trick to make people think they're paying for something premium. Most of the time they slap some liquid cooler on something that works well with a $20 chink cooler
>>88773735Those are what are called "All In One" (AIO) or "Closed Looper Coolers" (CLC). They combine the pump, waterblock and radiator into a single unit. They are common on mid-range CPUs, and while not mandatory, are highly advised on higher end CPUs.>How does it workIt pumps hot water to the radiator, the fans blow (or in some configurations, suck) air through the radiator which then cools the water, recirculating it constantly.>replace liquidNo, they are closed systems (barring a handful of exceptions that you aren't unlikely to see) and are prefilled with liquid.Most people will replace them after 5 years, give or take a few years if they're changing their CPU or case. Good ones can last ~10 years especially in less intensive use cases.If you have a choice of any of these they should be what you pick: EVGA CLC, EK AIO, Arctic Liquid Freezer.Corsair also make some good ones.As for size, that depends on the case, but most cases support at least 240mm on the top, and that size will be a decent option for a mid-range CPU. If you're getting a more expensive CPU then pick (assuming the case supports it) a 280mm or 360mm.
>>88773807I made mine 10 years ago, so no aio, it’s a custom loop>>88773827Are there any makers that sell gpu ready for water cooling? I’m most likely able to replace everything myself, but I’m still afraid I might fuck something up and lose 1.5kHow would I go adding that to the loop, too? Reservoir -> GPU -> radiator? > cpu -> other radiator? > reservoir?
>3 days ago if i typed "3090" on ebay i would get 71 results>today if I type "3090" i get 80 results...they are coming...
I'm planning on upgrading my pc pretty soon because I've had this one for over 6 years now.Im mainly stuck with my cpu and gpu choices.cpu wise i was looking at either 12600k or an amd 5600x and for gpu 3070 or 3080I can get a 3070 for about 650 euros, most 3080 are priced at 999. AMD gpu's are basically non-existant where I live.I was mainly looking for opinions on if the difference between the cpu and gpu choices above are worth the price difference. Any advice would be much appreciated
>>88773913according to physics hotter water will radiate better and cooler water will cool better
What are some normal temperatures for a water cooled 12700k?
>>88773943Look at eBay for gpus, you can easily find 3090 for ~900
>>88773913You may want to check what others do but most youtubers don't know what they're doing.I don't either, but at least I'm anonymous.I always figured you would want to split from the reservoir after the pump and go to both gpu and cpu in parallel, and then push all the hot water at the same time through the radiator. Or separate radiators. That way you don't actually have one component heating the other, but then you'd likely get some pressure problems at the split if one side is getting seriously hot.Most of the time I see custom loops, they just go straight from the gpu to the cpu. I guess coolant has enough heat capacity but I'd think you would hit thermal limits faster with all the juicing these new components do.
>>88773830Not that dumb. X570 is a lot cheaper than X670/E and B650E. DDR4 is half the price of DDR5. Most of the technological advantages like PCIe 5.0 won't really be taken advantage of for a while. PCIe 5.0 NVMe drives will be expensive as well, and real world performance won't increase all that much due to the fact most of the world still hasn't even moved on to PCIe 4.0. GPUs don't even saturate PCIe 4.0 yet. The Xbox series X is even PCIe 3.0. You'd save at least a few hundred dollars and not notice a big change. Honestly, I'm almost convincing myself to just buy now instead of waiting for Zen 4. By the time PCIe 4.0 is fully taken advantage of, we'll at least be on PCIe 6.0 . Unlike 3.0 which stuck around for a decade, these new standards are flying by at lightspeed. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/months-after-finalizing-pcie-6-0-pci-sig-looks-to-double-speeds-again-with-pcie-7-0/So unless you really like the Zen 4 benchmarks and price, or if you want to upgrade in a few years without changing your motherboard, it wouldn't actually make sense to get it. Still, I'd wait for actual, real world Zen 4 benchmarks from the usual sources before deciding.
>>88774089gamersnexus seems to know their shit when it comes to liquid cooling
>>88773359>ill just buy a cheap laptop to shitpost and watch animeliterally me one and a half years ago during the shitpeak minus the anime
>>88774089>Most of the time I see custom loops, they just go straight from the gpu to the cpu.Yeah, that’s what I always see but I can’t help but think it’d make for hotter cpu temps. Well, there’s still time to see, and it’s not even sure I’ll get the 4090
>>88774117But I don't think they do custom loops? Usually just AIO reviews.I think they have a fundamental misunderstanding of heat and airflow, but they only seem to know this stuff as hardcore hobbyists rather than from a mechanical/thermodynamic background. Which is fine, they have good test methods, but maybe that's why it's taking them so long to get their new test equipment figured out.At least, they always get grumpy about TDP being given in watts, ignoring how watts can also be a thermal unit.
I have a dual PC set up. 12900k/6800xt win11 gayman and 6600k/3050 Linux I use a display that only supports HDMI 2.1 and instead of using a kvm or changing inputs(how I do it now) I want to just pipe the video from the win PC to the Linux PC via a capture card.Is this possible?The point is it'll simplify audio, let me put my TV's remote in the drawer, and let me change the GUI on my win box to act more like a console basically with just monster icons for each game and auto launch+sign in on bnet and steam.I can't find a HDMI 2.1 capture card do they even exist?Will I incur a heavy latency penalty?
I know the second I buy a 6800xt it will drop in price more. I hate being a poorfag. Vidya games are all I have. I'm too much of a puss to try buying used.
A quick reminder of how GPU price:performance has stagnated, even declined.
>>88774336just dont be poor>>88774372>>88770038
>>88773417bro the 1060 can't even run Elden Ring at 60fps
Water is running out guys, it's tough but just pay up whatever we fucking want you to pay. That's how Nvidia sounds, and you nvidiots eat it up.
>>88774419>Waterwhos more evil, Nestle or Nvidia?
Do you guys think 4090 will be bottlenecked by PCIE 3.0 in games?
>>88774372this is the worst chart I've ever seen what the fuck is it trying to say
Too bad Intel intentionally stagnated with their own foundries years ago. You'd think all these super "smart" and mind bogglingly rich tech companies would have understood the exponential grown of electronics demand back when the iphone first exploded in popularity.TSMC would not be the only cutting edge option if they weren't so greedy.
>>88774399>oh no 59 fps how will I cope
>>88774443On the same node, die size is directly related to yield, and therefore cost to manufacture.The colour-coded codenames is Nvidia's way of tiering their products, where lower = larger = more transistors = better, to put it simply.
>>88774397I tried and did 6 months in county
>>88772977Don't they sell the cable if you want it?
>>88774450Intel just couldn't get 10nm to work. For years and years and years. Because they're retarded or something.Another possibility is that their foundries were filling US government contracts for an AI overmind on the down-low.
>>88774431There's already a 2-3% hit on 3090/ti right? I think so, though it's probably not going to be that big
>>88774372seriously tf is this? it looks like the chart is saying a 520 = 2060? Where's the 600, 700, & 3000 series? I'm so confused.
>>88774558Is there?Not on a 16 lane slot as far as I'm aware.
>>88774531Paying competent engineers all the time is expensive and AMD was trash around 2010 to 2018. Intel just gave up because it was cheaper for them in the immediate time frame. Everyone else, although behind Intel at the beginning for the decade, actually kept working on improving themselves.
Why aren't you leveraging the cooling potential of cold autumn & winter air?
>>88774631It's going to be 80 degrees/F for another week and a half in central Californiathe weather's been shit for over a decade now
>>88771510my corsair rm1000x does fine with my 5950x pulling 140w and my 3090ti pulling 450w. My UPS says my whole system pulls about 760w at full load. So 1500W should be safe.
>>88774675Haven't the constant wildfires taught you human life isn't supposed to exist there?
>>88774372>bought top of the line Strix 980ti's in SLI for $2400 AUD 7 years ago>bought mid-high tier EVGA 3080 for $1500 at launch 2 years ago>Now costs more than the two 980ti's and $1000 more than the 3080 for any 4080.
>>88774372horrible intentionally misleading chart TU102 is the largest die at 754mm^2. No way in hell is it 242mm^2.And GP102 is 454mm^2 not 471.
>>88774717california wildfires are a combination of four things1. centuries of wildfire "prevention" leading to buildup of flammable debris in the forests2. import of australian maple trees that literally have evolved to be as flammable as possible and kill off the competition by creating and surviving fires better3. extremely shitty electrical infrastructure that they don't even keep properly clear so whenever a branch falls on a powerline half the state goes up in flames4. commie climate scam agitators intentionally setting fires to scare people into accepting communism
This is the best value, good quality HDD storage you are ever going to get:https://www.newegg.com/seagate-exos-x16-st14000nm001g-14tb/p/N82E16822184812?Item=N82E16822184812Why haven't you bought some yet?
>>88774994>shitgate high capacityenjoy your data loss in 18 monthsget some proper nas drives from WD and stripe them
9 month used strix 3090 for 870€should I just wait until 4000 series release?
>>88775013t. retardSeagate Barracuda is shit, much like WD Blue is shit, because they're SMR drives.There is no difference when it comes to CMR drives, especially enterprise grade like Exos/Ultrastar/WD Gold.
>>88775025Don't pay for someone else's sloppy seconds.If you can afford a 3090, you can afford a 4090.
>>88771604I think he was talking about the frumpy whore.
>>88775056>1300€ in storenah I'm good
>>88775056If you wanted to steal one of these, would the drivers report back as the stolen GPU?How did gpu theft work this time around?
>>88775116>stolen Idk anon. I'm from a lineage of fair-skinned people who doesn't have that train of thought.
>>88775116I refuse to believe this post is real
Think it's worth paying 1099 for an Asus Strix 3080ti?
>>88775246Probably not, I've seen 3090TIs going for 1100
>>88775277My local BestBuy and MicroCenter.The MicroCenter still has an entire solid wall of RTX cards so hopefully the price keeps coming down.
>>88774399Elden Ring is a case of jap coding, it runs sub-optimal in every build
is a 600W PSU enough for this build? I already have it from my previous PC, as well as the GPU, SATA SSD and the HDDwill 13th Gen be announced soon or is it safe to upgrade now (current build has a 4th Gen i5)
>>88775512600w is enough for that gpu/cpu combo.13th gen is right around the corner
>still no AM5 reviewsI guess anon who claimed BIOS problems was right.
>>88775277You can order a 3090ti FE for $1100 on best buy right now. Thats actually what irked EVGA, since nvidia sold the chip to their board partners at a price higher than that forcing them to either be unable to compete or have to take a loss.
>>88775639Are the FE versions any good?
>>88775593embargo hasn't lifted yet.
I mainly do 3D rendering work and use Unity to make interactive 3D models in AR and such.I also like to play a lot with volume and geometry nodes in Blender, as well as physics simmulation for certain objects. I also do 3D scanning and I'm gonna have to scan an extremely detailed and huge work soon, which will certainly draw lots of resources when working on it.My GPU is pretty much the budget I had 4 years ago (1660 SUPER) and I feel now it's a huge bottleneck specially with my recently acquired 5950x.4090 surely looks enticing and I also want to use Stable Diffusion to its fullest but with the backlash of prices and the fake 4080 which is actually a 4070, I see a shitton of deals for 3090s.Is it really worth it the upgrade from the 3090 to a 4090? I'm also worried about how fuckhuge they are and the gigantic power draw so I probably will need to get a new PSU+case if I go for a 4090
Man, what is up with dealing with fags from /v/? I was trying to help this guy out >>613053539 about how he needs a new psu for the new gpus coming out, but he thinks he is fine with his shit psu.
People say AMD is ass for 3D work. Is it true?
>>88775593doesn't the embargo lift on Monday?
>>88775679Theyre hot and loud but have performance parity with most aib cards. Nvidia keeps the best silicon for themselves so they can do this
>>88775774why not look at actual benchmarks instead of blindly trusting what robots say here
>>88775784I tried helping him, but whatever I can see now why you guys hate /v/ so much.
>>88775762>i was trying to help this guy out by lying:^)
>>88774521Yeah. But I'm still holding off to replace my old 750 till atx 3.0 products arrive. I need to upgrade, but am also not in a rush.
>>88775801This. Go to tomshardware or gamers nexus. They do unbiased reporting and make their methodology public. Avoid userbenchmark.
>>88775830>>88775762It's not just /v/. 4chan in general has a ton of those same people that pretend like they're smart and better than everyone in the thread but they are the biggest retard in the room. They're worse than redditors.
>>88775846Well the 1000W MSI you posted is already up for sale.
>>88775834If he doesn't want to get an ATX 3.0 then so be it. He still has to get a new psu to play new games since I doubt he has a 1000w or 1200w psu from how aggressive he was he was for helping him.>>88775865Yea I can see that now. Just sad that I got that treatment for just helping.
Why do so many of you retards still put HDDs in your desktop builds?
>>88775950Theyre all jav “”archivers””
>>88775902that's not what you were doing lol
>>88775950Cheap game library storage that gets migrated off the drive and onto a sata ssd when playing the game.Also storage for videos. Lots and lots of videos.And an even larger amount of porn.
>>88775950I took the unraid pill. I have 2 PCs that only have SSDs in them, then have a 3rd PC hidden away in the basement with all of the loud mechanical drives. I haven't actually daily driven a PC with a mechanical hard drive in over 7 years.
>>88775980>making constant heavy writes from HDD to SSD every time you play fucking videogamesISHYGDDT
I was the guy asking about my high temps on Cinebench earlier, turns out my case fans didn't have smart fan enabled. I'm like 5C cooler now, which I know still is kinda bad, but it's relieving to me
>>88775974He was getting pissy because I told him to get a ATX 3.0 for new gpus or a more powerful psu but risk having spikes still. But he was all naaahhh I don't need a new psu my low watt psu is fine.I should have realize sooner he was trolling, but that is the price I paid for helping.
>>88770863then go with the 3060ti
Should I consider a 6900/6950XT instead of a 3080TI?
>>88776008Running HDDs in an array is a valid usecase, but even that is overkill for 99% of people here.You don't need an array w/ redundancy; just back up your shit with something like Duplicati or UrBackup at set intervals.
>>88775783>>88775719I honestly thought 7 days before launch was typical.I may have brain damage so please have mercy.
>>88776037But your comment isn't helpful in the slightest? All I see is unfounded claims
>>88776067Nothing I said was wrong. Get an ATX 3.0 or get a 1000w or 1200w psu for the new gpus coming out. Hence he needs a new psu.
>>88775950switched out to all ssd/nvme 2 years ago when I built a new pconly got a 6tb external hdd
>>88776080...in a thread nobody asked for advice on PSUs to buy....for gpus that aren't released yet, and thus, cannot be verified in the slightest.
I regret buying amd
>>88775950I like to store porn, so what?
I regret not going watercooling
>>88772071yes, no more 3000s
>>88776126So store it on a NAS/cloud provider with encryption.There is absolutely no reason to have HDDs in a desktop computer in the current year.
>>88776080actually everything you said was wrong
>>88776112>>88776182The specs page used a strong cpu and that was only using the founder's edition, and the AiB will more than likely need more power. At the end of the day I tried to help him and he was being aggressive for no reason towards me. But, he succeed in trying to troll me and that is on me.
wanting to run a windows kvm with qemu, what's the best cpu for this (around $300)?
>>88776056Yes, especially in gaming or if you are on a budget.
>>88776302Do they still have retarded driver issues?
>>88775512>$480 for a 3060JUST BUY USED YOU WILL BE OK.
>>88775741Too early to really know - there will be a boost, but I'd wait for real world results on the 4090 before pulling the trigger. Or, sell a kidney and get a Titan, for the kind of work you're doing. Or sell both and get dual Titans.
>>88776008So glad I don't data hoard. My most important files fit on a single BDR for long term storage. >B-but I NEED a specific porn from 2015 to COOOOOOOOOOOM!
>>88775950Need a place to store torrents to seed
>>88776654It's a 3060 ti.
>>88773483Game pass is also literally on PC isnt it?
>>88776881There is 0 porn on my server, fatso.
>>88775950show me a 14TB SSD
>>88770370What's the latest method to install Windows 11 without the forced Microsoft account thingy?