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I've noticed a trend of CSfags saying that university and degrees are useless. Despite the fact that you access to lab equipment and licenses that would otherwise cost a small fortune. Not everything can be done on a computer

Why is it such a popular sentiment though?
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>>88768747
cos most anyone doesn't even know what you're even goin' on about bruhv!
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what lab equipment and licenses?
strictly speaking you don't even need a computer to learn CS
are you thinking of EE?
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>>88768747
because CS is peak dunning kruger effect.
Since programming is probably the most well documented craft there is on the internet, it is very accessible and people think once they get the hang of OOP 101 and use linux they know everything there is to know about computers.

The problem is that they don't aim for jobs that fit their skillset, they keep applying to gigaconglomerates and hope to work in datacenters that train state-of-the-art ML models on cutting edge hardware processing billions of request every single day while parallelizing workload across networks made of hectares of machinery, obviously this shit is out of their reach and requires a degree.
Their capabilities also can not apply to any engineering field as they neither have the mathematics nor physics required to work with machinery/factory automation.

So they cope online trying with demoralization threads because if they couldn't do it, nobody else should enroll.
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>>88768747
"had basic training on proprietary software package X" isn't the valuable thing about a degree. The main point of it is to schmooze and brown-nose a bunch of people who will then get you a job. Ideally you'll learn some things along the way but all the theory and most of the practical stuff can be learned on your own, neither the schools nor the employers regard your actual education as very important.

I love Miku so much it's unreal
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>>88768862
Don't forget that CS used to be a niche degree in which only people passionate about it enrolled, most CS degrees used to be very theoretical and mathematically oriented.
Today, degrees are watered down due to the huge demand both from industry and future students, so you get people graduating despite taking shit like management or business classes for electives and barely passing the already massively pruned theory classes.
So obviously they come out of school with no knowledge about anything, hence the sentiment of not having learned anything at school, and then telling you about it, when really it is their own fault for not even trying to.
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>>88768818
Basically but the notion of "stem degrees are useless" are applied almost universally by some people. Of course EE isn't the only field, you still got construction, chemical etc etc
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>>88768747
Because you already have a computer and a compiler and access to all the docs and example code you will ever need.
Try studying law or any flavor of medical specialist without institutional facilities.
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>>88768747
If you're wanting to do actual computer science like design processors and operating systems and stuff it makes sense but if you just want to be web dev or make video games or something then it's not worth the four years of your life and paying to study stuff you'll never use
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>>88768919
Yeah, I can see that happening

>>88768889
Well it kinda is though, at least when free alternatives are dogshit and everyone in the industry uses the software package X
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>>88768889
nakadashi miku
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>>88769503
Miku isn't for lewds
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>>88768747
Because you can in fact learn everything at CS degree teaches you on a computer, without any of that lab or license shit.
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>>88768862
>>88768919
I'm really curious to see this fantastic CS program you supposedly had.
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>>88769126
It is very much possible to study law on your own. Practicing it is another story.
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yeah dude what would i do ever do without... uh... mathematica... and uh... office 365
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>>88768747
A piece of shit computer and an internet connection is all you need.
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>>88768747
>lab equipment
>licenses
Bro CS is just maths. You can learn CS with just a pencil and paper.
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>>88768747
I am CSfag and I do not share that sentiment. I also do not think licenses and equipment maters.

I went to study CS to learn about theory. I wanted to learn theoretical background for computer science, how you prove complexity classes, how you design algorithms, compilers, formal languages/grammars and stuff like that. I got exactly what I wanted and I didn't got disappointed.

>>88768862
CS is not about programing...

>>88768889
>I love Miku so much it's unreal
Hey, that's my line.
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>>88773953
>I am CSfag and I do not share that sentiment. I also do not think licenses and equipment maters.
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>I went to study CS to learn about theory. I wanted to learn theoretical background for computer science, how you prove complexity classes, how you design algorithms, compilers, formal languages/grammars and stuff like that. I got exactly what I wanted and I didn't got disappointed.
I remember deluding myself as well.
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>>88768747
Copium and/or amerimutts. If you have access to free education like in Europe or LATAM you have no excuse not to get a degree.
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>>88774037
No idea what you are trying to say.
I've already knew how to program and I started working during first year. I went to university because I genuinely like math, especially discrete math, logic, set theory and such, and that has quite significant overlap with computer science.
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>>88774091
There is no such thing as "free education". Even if it cost zero money (which is not true), the true price of university "education" is time. Years of your youth that you will never get back.

No, I'm not American.
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>>88774801
I had much better time getting drunk and high with fellow students than working real job. Going to university is fun even for social aspect alone. If you can afford it, that's it.
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Some fields will always require the training and licencing a university education provides.
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CS degrees are fucking useless.
You only learn useless boring shit like math and computation theory and antiquated languages like LISP.

Nothing actually modern and relevant like the latest Javascript framework and how to write resumes in Google Docs.
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>>88775024
>relevant like the latest Javascript framework and how to write resumes in Google Docs.
Soidevus maximus detected. Can you even do anything on a computer besides le heckin javascript frameworks?
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>>88775092
Yes, I can make tons of moneh.
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>>88775024
Lisp hasn't even been mentioned by university courses in decades.
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>>88773953
>I went to study CS to learn about theory. I wanted to learn theoretical background for computer science, how you prove complexity classes, how you design algorithms, compilers, formal languages/grammars and stuff like that. I got exactly what I wanted and I didn't got disappointed.
Lucky fucking bastard. I had chinks who can barely speak, nigger professors wasting my time and I had to teach myself.
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>>88775024
>You only learn useless boring shit like math and computation theory and antiquated languages like LISP.
Is my degree program the worse?
Because even the theoretical CS concepts like Lisp, was watered down (all we did was learn Scheme, how cons worked, and that's it)
Never learned any of the advance stuff NOR how to actually program from uni. Was a giant waste of time man.
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>>88775494
Same for me, and it's much more common than most people want to admit.

I suspect that even most people who claim they had a good experience are overhyping it out of sunk cost fallacy.
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>>88775529
Overexcited freshmen often post doctorate-level book pages and exercises on the internet to make their course look more impressive, but it's bullshit. Never trust second hand opinions about university, especially on the internet.
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Personally I did a bootcamp and hobby projects to get into the industry, maybe I would have liked to have pursued a degree if I felt it was my thing, but hindsight is 20/20, I like my job
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>>88775494
I guess I'm just lucky to live in homogeneous country and it was one of top universities here. And I purposefully have chosen department that focuses on math and fundamentals, the other two being CS with focus on software engineering and electronics respectively. From the stories I've heard the SE one was pretty much how people how people describe it here.



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