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>Upgrade & Build Advice
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. video editing, competitive gaming, streaming etc.) and your country.

>CPUs
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105
Budget Gaming: i3 12100/F > R5 5500
Gaming: i5 12400/F, R5 5600/X
Multicore: i7 12700F/12900F, R9 5900X/5950X
Best Gaming: R7 5800X3D

>GPUs
Budget 1080p: Used GTX 1060/1070, GTX 1660 Super RX 470/580
1080p: RX 6600, RTX 3060Ti
1440p: RTX 3070, RX 6700 XT
2160p: RTX 3080Ti, RTX 3090Ti, RX 6900 XT
Production: RTX 3090Ti (avoid AMD)

>RAM:
DDR4: 4x 8GB DDR4 3600CL16 (any rank) or 2x dual-rank 16GB DDR4 3600CL16
DDR5: 2x 16GB 5600MHz Kingston

>PSUs
Gold, Platinum or Titanium from Seasonic, Superflower, Corsair, EVGA (aim for 50% of total PC power)
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>SSDs
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>Monitors
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/
https://pcmonitors.info/
https://www.displayninja.com/buying-guide/

Previous: >>88759980
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Dont buy a 4000 series cards besides 4090
Wait until AMD next gen gpus
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i want these new cpu's but i dont want these gay fucking beta motherboards that will be obsolete in 6 months FUCK
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>>88764990
Surely people building new pc's today aren't gonna settle for ddr4 mobos
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Will intels gpu's drop price on the second hand market?
How low will nvidia 30 series cards go?
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>>88764947
Reminder to anyone reading this, OP is the intelvidia fanboy who got b& multiple times and claimed DLSS has nothing to do with upscaling and that upscaling looks better than native. He almost always posts very old benchmarks as if game patches and driver updates don't exist and keeps spamming FUD about both Ryzen and Radeon. He has a vendetta against RDNA2 GPUs outperforming Nvidia ones in games for less money (especially at 1080p and 1440p) and the cheaper 5800X3D outperforming Intel's best. Now he even claims Nvidia has somehow equal or lower power usage despite reality proving him wrong (and he focuses only on 3090 on this chart while ignoring 3080ti)

As of late he started spamming his chinese affiliate link in the OP to collect 4chan data from posters.

These cheap shill tactics are effective against clueless people coming to this general asking for help and getting wrong advice from fanboys regurgitating cheap marketing spiel.


Links to the archived posts where he got banned and came back for more shitposting

First episode
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/87165424/#q87175472
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/87165424/#q87175697
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/87165424/#q87175760

Second episode
Got b& and his pcbg deleted a second time
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/88617171/#q88617171

Always be careful when reading mass replies or blatant shitposts. They're most likely from this poster.
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how long until i can actually buy an atx3 psu with support for the 40 series 16pin 12v connector?
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And of course he's a wojakposter as well. This is the kind of poster that recommends you products in the OP.
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https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370%20Extreme4/index.asp#Specification
>- 3 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots (PCIE2/PCIE4/PCIE6: single at x16 (PCIE2); dual at x8 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE4); triple at x8 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE4) / x4 (PCIE6))*
Can someone translate this to English for me? Can I use the three PCIEx16 ports together or not? I just want to use an HBA card, a quad NIC and maybe a GPU together.
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Had my heart set on getting a 3070 founders edition because I liked the small form factor compared to my current card and price point but after doing a little more research they're apparently loud and run hot, and you can't fix both issues at once.

That being said, any recommendations for a quiet 3070-tier GPU that doesn't get too hot without going above $500?
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>>88765196
my galax 3070 LHR edition runs ItR max settings at a maximum of 68C and barely noticeable fans
this is with stock cooling from a torrent compact. ambient room temp is around 25-28C since I'm using an AC.
what's your criteria for "hot"?
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>>88765196
Get a 3070 dual.
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>>88765172
if you have all 3 slots filled it's x8 x8 x4.
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6800/6800xt was the clear winner of this gen.

Best performance for the price and power rating, beats the 3090 for half the price, raytracing still irrelevant because even the nvidia cards can't do it properly yet.
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>>88765246
I'll be upfront: I don't really know what constitutes as "hot" because I don't really track it, I just go by how the air feels in my room, but my current card turns into a furnace under load. I'm running an MSI 5700 XT and after an hour or two of Halo or Monster Hunter it feels very humid in my room. I'm looking into that card though.

>>88765272
Looking into this one as well. Do you by chance know if it comes without RGB? Maybe it's placebo but I feel like RGB adds to the price of a card, but I have an older all-metal case so RGB doesn't appeal to me.

I honestly think I care about sound more than heat but obviously I want the best possible for both criteria.
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>>88765275
Understood, thanks. Perfect for non-GPU usage.
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>>88764947
I need a case with at least 6 HDD bays and enough space to fit the GIRTH of the new 4090. Any suggestion?
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>>88765375
here
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3lfXsa08CY
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Is it not generally a bad sign when the CPU pins are being laid on a hard surface like this?
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>>88764947
What's a rough estimate on when the RTX 4050 and 4060 gets announced?
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>>88765446
Intel CPUs are flat, the pins are on the motherboard.
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>>88765446
There are no pins on that cpu, they are a flat pad. The actual pins are on the mobo.
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How many CPUs can 1g of thermal compound be applied to?
What about 3g and 10g?
Is Noctua's NT-H2 a noticeable upgrade over the NT-H1? Is it worth paying extra for?
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>>88765429
thanks anon, much appreciated.

just overall thanks /g/. It's a shit flinging mess in here sometimes but someone always seems to be willing to help me out.
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>>88765375
The Msi 3070 dual doesn't have RGB I don't think.
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>>88765077
Nvidia has no interest in lowering the mid-level 30 series cards. 40 series announcement listed the 3060 for $329 as a selling point. The same MSRP it had 18 months ago on launch.
You are not going to see new 30 series go much lower until nvidia clear out 9+ months of back log. Then drops a midlevel card like a 4070 (that should have been the 4060) for like $750. Use market isn't going to go into freefall if AIB 3070s are still selling new for over the founders MSRP. Nvidia fans are getting one of the hardest corp fucking we have seen in over a decade.
Jensen is even out there doing a victory lap about how oh you morons thought chips would get cheaper? Never going to happen!!!
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Sale ends in like 3 hours. Please talk me out of buying this thing for 300 CAD, because frankly, that much space for 300 is pretty damn good. Realistically I'll never fill this up, but I also doubt prices for this will ever be this good again.
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>>88765674
>7200 RPM
>5 days to copy 1GB
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>>88765503
1g is enough for one cpu and to have a small amount extra in case you need to reapply it. Don't break your bank overspending on thermal paste, its just thermal paste. You'll barely see a few degrees difference between most of the good ones. Either of those noctua ones are fine.
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This is a bit of a stupid question, but rather than a HTPC is it possible to build a cost effective hifi system with a PC as the base?
A friend spotted a 2k AUD stereo they liked (as someone with an enormous CD collection) but acknowledged it was extravagant; I though though, could you get the same results by assembling a low-wattage PC build leveraged with a saoundcard, an optical drive, and a touchscreen display and a pair of bookshelf speakers?
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>>88764979
Not really true. The """"4080""" 12GB is pretty much a direct sidegrade from the 3080 12GB. You get better RT for a little more money.

>>88764990
Obviously wait for reviews and commentary from people who actually tinker with the boards, but any time you're an early adapter (e.g., new memory standard) you're going to have problems, it's going to be expensive, or it's going to end up low vs whatever gets released later, or sometimes all three. Intel's strategy of DDR4+DDR5 was good for this reason

>>88765098
>intelvidia brand demagoguery
>dlss sour grapes
>tinfoil hat theories
>anonymous is one person
>himself b& for spamming on the 19th
Checks out, schizo

>>88765196
>after doing a little more research they're apparently loud and run hot
Not really. A couple of degrees while far below throttling temps is not a problem; same with minor differences in noise. Also of course if you run an undervolt, any cooler will perform very well.

>>88765320
>6800/6800xt was the clear winner of this gen.
Pretty silly. The 3080 12GB matches the 6900 XT even in tardtuber rankings >>88762465 without considering DLSS, RT, Broadcast, stability, compatibility, DX11 drivers, etc, etc. You might not like it, but DLSS and RT are killer features
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>>88765411
Phanteks Eclipse P500A? 435mm for the video card and you can stuff 10 HD into it if you buy extra cages. It's getting tough to find newer cases with more than 2 or 3 HD bays.
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>>88765747
>Not really true. The """"4080""" 12GB is pretty much a direct sidegrade from the 3080 12GB. You get better RT for a little more money.

3080 cost 750€ at launch
the 4060 costs 1200€

Like, no mate. If you're a gamer looking for value for money you ignore the 4000 lineup entirely.
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>>88765747
>The 3080 12GB matches the 6900 XT

No it doesn't.
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>>88765375
>hot
You need to separate the ideas of heat and temperature. Heat is a measure of TOTAL kinetic energy, while temperature is a measure of AVERAGE kinetic energy. You can have a graphics card that pulls 300W (heat), but the temperature of the chip might only be 60C with a good cooler. If your room is hot, you need to reduce the amount of power the chip is pulling. Temperature at the chip itself is irrelevant to the question of the temperature of your room. The purpose of the cooler on the graphics card is to remove heat from the chip, so if the cooler does its job efficiently, it quickly removes the heat and dumps it into your case (case fans move it into your room), and the chip stays cool.

If you want less heat, undervolt. You'll get better temps and a quieter cooler as a bonus.

>>88765447
Sometime relatively early next year. I would say first half to be safe

>>88765674
>seagate
Easy no. Do you even know if it's SMR or CMR?

>>88765736
I would suggest asking in >>>/g/hpg/

>>88765769
I don't follow EU pricing, but in the USA the 3080 12GB is about $720 (today) and the """""""4080""""" 12GB will launch for about $900. Obviously reviews are key, but if you're already spending that much on a graphics card, spending a little more to get likely substantially better RT, AV1 encoding, blah blah, isn't really that big of deal. Maybe DLSS 3 will even turn out to be decent
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Windows 11 vs Windows 10 LTSC
Give me the rundown
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>>88765791
I already linked your dumb ass to the data. Need me to post it right under your nose? >>88762465 AMD fan (HWUB/techspot) benchmark, 50 games, 1440p. I know it's really hard for you people to come to terms with.

>>88765846
I'll give you the run out >>>/g/fwt
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>>88765846
You cant move taskbar to the side in win11.
In short my review of the OS: lol, lmao
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>>88765098
Holy mother of schizo
There can be more than one intelvidia shill, just as there are more than one amd shills like yourself. Stop worrying yourself with brand faggotry and buy the product that fits your needs
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>>88765736
Yeah you just use a cheap laptop + USB DAC. Then either run the DAC to any receiver you want or buy an audio amp for the DAC. It's one of the easiest thing to do PC wise. I built one out of a cheap refurbished Thinkpad and a Yamaha home theater receiver I bought used for $40.
Filled it with all older CDs I ripped to FLAC.. play them with foobar2000. Schiit is popular for this, but there are tons of DAC out there. This is a big time audio rabbit hole to go down as laptop + DAC in insanely popular now.
https://www.schiit.com/guides/choosing-a-dacamp
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>>88765668
>listed the 3060 for $329 as a selling point.
>The same MSRP it had 18 months ago on launch.
What the fuck are they smoking? It was never $329, board partners couldn't even get it below the 3060ti FE until recently, and that only includes the garbage-tier 2-fan shits. Fucking 3050 never went below $350.
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>>88765860
How do they manage to remove features and make things worse version over version? They have access to the world's best coders. Surely Microshit can work their code out after all this time, for fuck's sake.
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autist looking at 2060 super here
it's literally the same as a 3060, why shouldn't I just buy a cheap mined on card? linus shill tips made a whole video on how mined cards have literally no difference, all you have to check for is the bios
before you ask yes I need cuda
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>>88764990
my launch day x570 steel legend is great, never had an issue, no usb bug or any problems whatsoever

dont be afraid, motherboards can smell fear
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>>88765736
Just use a 3.5mm to RCA jack, plug it into any receiver. Wa la, you have an HTPC.
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>>88765837
>spending a little more
but that $900 price tag is founders and we know those will sell out and not be in back stock for months. Leaving AIB where suddenly the $900 price for a should be 4070 card is bumped up to say $1100-$1200. Unless they all launch matching the founders price.
All these shows is the plan is working. As you slap $1200 AIB cost on a 4000 series and suddenly oh hey that $700+ 3000 doesn't look as bad.
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7950xbros... it's nearly our time
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>>88765912
>garbage-tier 2-fan shits
Don't need liquid cooling on a 3060, dummy. One fan would be near silent with an undervolt

>Fucking 3050 never went below $350.
Delusional. Do you really think anyone believes your garbage?

>>88765929
If it's cheap, buy it. Not really a hard decision

>>88765936
>my launch day x570 steel legend is great
That's a 3rd generation AM4 chipset, dummy. Not really what he's talking about

>>88765953
>control
>171 avg fps with RT on
Probably the most gullible person on 4chan I've seen today
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>>88764947
Is anyone else waiting on 3090s and 3080 tis to reach a certain pricepoint used and pull the trigger? How low do you think they'll go?
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>>88766012
If you dont care about 4000 series rtx or dlss 3.0 why not just buy amd next gen gpus
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Finally I can play Mass Effect
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>>88765447
Once all ampere and big lovelace is sold at $1k+
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>>88765973
>but that $900 price tag is founders
There's no FE for the """"4080""" 12GB. You're not well informed, and your speculation and further sand castle construction on said speculation is weak. Often at the beginning of a launch, cards sell out. In non-crypto periods, if you miss the initial launch / first batch of cards, you can usually get what you want easily at MSRP a month or two later

>>88766020
>If
Pretty big if. Also there's DLSS 2.X, and not having to deal with all of Radeon's driver problems >>88756355. Read the reply chain

>>88766055
Quit with your fanboy spam, no one cares
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>>88766068
>Pretty big if. Also there's DLSS 2.X, and not having to deal with all of Radeon's driver problems >>88756355 (Cross-thread). Read the reply chain

Given the market position and investment needed to be in the market of selling gpus surely they get better at drivers over time?
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>>88766020
Price mostly, if I can get a 3080 ti for like $500 that would carry me for a while. I'm definitely not in need of an upgrade(3060 ti running at 1440p), but if I can grab a 3080 ti or a 3090 for cheap so I don't even need to think about looking at new cards for a while that would be great.
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>>88766068
You're just jealous you can't afford 2 4870s, poorfag.
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>>88764947
Why are people saying that 4090 is only for "VR ENTHUSIASTS"?

When I ask if 3090 is good enough for VR people reply to me saying "it's overkill!!", "I run my VR with my 1070". Then what's the fucking deal? Is VR demanding or not?
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>>88766098
And no, I didn't make a typo, I was thinking about buying the 3090
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>>88766098
VR is very demanding but everyone takes to VR differently. Some people are very sensitive to it being lower framerate and get motion sickness, even if that "lower framerate" would be perfectly playable in non-VR. If you are actually going to game and not just vr-chat, the 3090 might be worthwhile for you, assuming you are ok with blowing ~1k usd on it.
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>>88765929
>linus shill tips made a whole video on how mined cards have literally no difference
There is nothing that retard regurgitates that warrants listening to.
...But I'm in a similar position, wanting a 2060 Super but most listings seem to finish around $250. I'd jump at it for $200 but 2060 Super are fairly rare as is and used 3060 are already going down in price (somewhat).
After that it'll be vram lottery. Maybe check what other listings the seller has.

>>88765999
Talking MSRP long before the recent price drops you worthless nigger. They didn't start coming down until mid summer this year, so it's disingenuous of nvidia to claim the MSRP was so low when they only recently got close to those prices since launch. If you could even find the fuckers.
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>>88765747
>defending a $900 70-class card
>responds to everyone in thread in one post
>took open warning against intelvidiot shill as a personal attack
>”gotta pay for that premium, who cares if it is a bad financial decision long term”
>””30 series FE is not hot or loud despite metrics that prove otherwise :^) trust me bro”
>”DLSS and RT are killer features”
>”AMD drivers bad”

You are such an extremely obvious shill. lol
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>>88765747
>>88766154
Forgot one:
>uses a picture where RT looks worse than pre-bake and tanks fps to show how cool it is.
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>>88766123
>VR is very demanding
>majority of titles developed for an outdated phone chip
kek
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>>88766068
>and your speculation
Ah that's right I mixed up the one with out a founders being they are both just called 4080, but the point still stands. AIBs aren't known for rock bottom MSRP based pricing. They always seem to +$200 or more to whatever the base line seems to be for a given product. Like how EVGA has a 3070 listed with a $719 MSRP.
Maybe this time the whole 4070 to low end 4080 move keeps AIB happy and they go for full MSRP for that model but I highly doubt it. Making the bump from a 3080 at 700 ish to 900 is 25%. I don't know if you're really getting +25% more card, never mind if over 900 AIB. Subjective issue.
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>>88766012
thats the every consumer right now
Nvidia is taking bets that they wont fall if they price their new cards high
Reminds me of apple always uping the cost of their new phone but keeping old models for sale at their original retail price years later
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>>88766123
I'm planning on getting the 4090 now, but if the price is really bad then maybe yes 3090. I will try to buy the best VR headset and tracking stuff as well and I know these are expensive as fuck as well. Firs time I'm gonna have a proper computer
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>kept an eye on intel gpus since I thought it was an interesting development to have a new, commercially viable competitor
>their drivers apparently suck ass
how is this even possible? they've had iGPUs and a dedicated graphics team for over a decade, their drivers are one of the most solid for both windows and linux
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>>88766068
>Read the reply chain
>*reads reply chain*
>it was intentionally induced user error

wut
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>>88765929
You don't know if the card was a casual single card miner in a home office or a filthy dirt floor shed in China. If it's cheap enough then I can see rolling the dice but even then a 2000 series is getting up there age. Everything about a used GPU post miner craze is dice roll.
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>>88766229
are you already a vr enthusiast?
Or new to the hobby?
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>>88766242
He's the mass replier that's always in these threads and spends all day sucking off Nvidia , ignore him unless you are only looking to get a an nvidia card
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>>88766271
I like to poke holes in his shill talking points for fun. He is so very obvious to spot and so committed to the bit it is funny to me.
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>>88766217
>They always seem to +$200 or more to whatever the base line seems to be for a given product. Like how EVGA has a 3070 listed with a $719 MSRP.
In normal times you can get AIB MSRP models. Sometimes that's not the case with the high end; for example I don't remember the 2080 Ti hitting MSRP while all other Turing cards were at MSRP, but then again I don't really follow pricing on halo products.

>I don't know if you're really getting +25% more card
Maybe not; I think reviews will help clear that question up.

>>88766242
>it was intentionally induced user error
>update driver
>anon calls this an intentionally induced user error (if you run radeon)
Damn Radeon really hates DX11, huh?
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>>88766229
its on backorder on Amazon in the US for $1,599.00 right now
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>>88766267
No, I never had a proper computer.
>b-but you can't blow that much money on something you might not like!
fair point but I'll probably like it. I like simulators a lot as well
I want to use the body tracking for making animations too. I'm excited
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>wait till next quarterly report
>Nvidia profit tanks into the dirt due to extremely low 4000 series sales and 3000 MSRP being further slashed
>forced by investors to lower price on 4000 series
Just wait another 3 months bros
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>>88766338
People will buy 4090s for pro applications, dont worry.
And the ""4080"" are so garbage compared to the 4090 that they serve to incentivize people to buy 4090 or 3000 lineup cards.
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>atx 3.0 psus still aren't out
>am5 mobos still aren't out
>no info on raptor lake or radeon 7000

haha time to wait
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I have a 3800X and a GTX 1080. getting a 7600 or 7800 when it comes out and I'm waiting for AMD's new card to come out to see where the video card market goes, before I buy.

I'm looking for a card in the $800-1000 range. 4090 is currently $1600 on newegg and thats a bit steep for me.

Thank you for reading my blog
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When are the new amd gpus coming out,do they have anything as good as the new dlss, and can i get a 360hz 1440p monitor that works with freesync ?

i plan on getting a PG27AQN when it comes out. not sure why I wouldn't get a nvidia gpu with it.
I used to have a r9 fury
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>>88766334
shut up, some of us have pachinko we have to spend our money on
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>>88766379
>When are the new amd gpus coming out
November 3rd
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>>88766376
If you're in usa just buy the 4090, you're getting it cheap compared to eu 2k€
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>>88766364
>atx 3.0 psus
are a meme
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>>88766389
>lmao just buy a $1600 graphics card what are you poor
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what is atx 3.0 exactly
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>>88764947
Is it possible to properly overclock K chips on a B660-G or just not possible at all? From what I understand you can overlock non-K chips but not K chips, which doesn't make any sense at all.
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>>88766389
>buying something just because it's not as expensive as elsewhere
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>>88766401
How much of your annual income it actually takes if you're employed in usa?
People play 1600$ a month for rent in places.
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>pay $1600 for new GPU
>displayport hotswap is still broken

how is this okay
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>>88765674
>seagate
no

the only reason I'd use a hard drive like that is to store shit I record before I edit it, I'll never trust seagate with anything I intend to keep
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>>88766415
The OCing you can manage in b660 boards is merely that of removing power limiters and such, not actual proper control of other things
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>>88766412
the only important information is that it has a new GPU connector that lets the GPU tell the PSU that it's about to draw a lot more power
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>>88765674
I bought one for $200 usd to fulfill my datahoarder problem.
The drive transfer at abnormal speeds when it is near full. like 20 MB/s for a minute and then it speeds up.
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>>88766401
$1600 as an American is legit nothing. Even teenagers on minimum wage can afford it in a couple months working at McDonald's.
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>>88766334
The quest 2 is genuinly a great headset so dont be fooled into spending mega bucks when zuck is handing out quests like candy
It can do 120fps at a very high resolution, better than almost everything on the market.
If you get one the oculus software constantly sends out data, oculus alone was making more queries than the rest of my network combined. If you have a pihole or something similar jsut block that shit and enjoy your free headset.
You REALLY want to get 120fps if you've never used vr before or you can end up with very bad motion sickness
I cannot describe how much vr fucks with your brain if you use it enough, its really another level. Spend enough time in vr and your brain starts to fail irl. I would have constant sea legs and my brain would default to trying to press controller bindings instead of actually grabiing things or making hand gestures. My dreams even started getting fucked by vr.
I have no idea about making animations with motion tracking but sounds fun, I'd gather there are probably vive trackers and stuff on ebay for reasonably cheap nowadays.
Also word of warning that next gen vr is coming soon, the new psvr is apparently a big leap from current headsets
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>>88766386
>where did you get the money for that new sweet 4090 jashinchan?
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How do I get a 4090 mommy gf
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>>88766433
What if I don't do any hardcore overclocking and just want to bump up the frequency and lower the voltage a little bit? I'm talking something in the range of 5fps tops.
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>>88766401
just how poor are you ?
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>>88766423
I can afford it, its not about that. Its about what value I get out of it. If a gtx 1080 is fine for what I'm doing now, dumping $1600 for a card seems a bit ridiculous.
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>>88765010
>Surely people building new pc's today aren't gonna settle for ddr4 mobos
I built a 5900x x570 6900xt for fun 6mo ago
DDR4 is fine for 5800x3d
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>>88766435
Oh is that all? Thought there was more to it since everyone was saying to wait and buy one.
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>>88766469
Well have you see what gaming on 4k 240hz is like
its like, really something
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>>88766476
there's also a non-trivial chance that using an old PSU with an adapter cable might start a fire
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>>88766338
Only thing that will force Nvidia to lower prices is if AMD releases their cards for the same MSRP they had last year and even that is only a factor if their old 30s series stock isn't selling.
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>>88766304
Furthermore, the claim was nvidia's MSRP on 3060 (a card with no FE) had an MSRP of $329, everyone knows that's a complete farce aside from one sale a month ago where it got close. Unless they're finally cutting prices with 4090 launch.
>MSRP is not the market price!
Wow! No shit! But it can hardly be considered a valid talking point for an industry presentation if nobody could ever purchase anywhere NEAR that price for the majority of the product was on shelves.
>It went $10 below the price you claimed! You lose!
The claim is it never reached nvidia's claimed MSRP, which you will also defend as a 'market' problem.
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>>88765098
My 6900xt ass fucks my 2080ti and probably a 3090 and 4080 as well because I took the power limits off it hits 500w 2.6ghz
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>>88766493
I still maintain that the 7900XT will be $1099 like the 6950XT
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>>88766488
Only if you had a shit old PSU.
ATX 3.0 just formalizes a bunch of shit that high-end PSUs were already doing and adds a new GPU connector. If you have an expensive-ass platinum-rated PSU from a reputable brand that has already been shown to be able to handle a 3090 there's no reason to upgrade.
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>>88766479
That's top tier enthusiast shit, most people don't do that. 1080p ultra 60Hz is what most people want, even 1440p ultra 60Hz is already within enthusiast territory.
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>>88766493
30 series cards will keep selling for a long time, a 3060 is overkill for like 90% of gamers
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>>88766488
Yea, I saw the reports and honestly we'll have to wait and see.
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>>88766505
Meanwhile I paid 1k for my 6900xt tuf ree their 699 now
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>>88765536
I have this card, no rbg on it.
Maybe it runs hot, idk. Works fine though.
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>>88766493
>if their old 30s series stock isn't selling.
The market is STILL flooded with old mining cards, Nvidia hasn't hit any of their targets for clearing out old stock at all.
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>>88766488
O-oh. Well I guess they're something worth considering then.
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>>88766457
you couldn't afford her
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>>88766532
I'm just going to get an AMD. Nvidia can fuck off
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>>88766519
Only because the gaming industry was hobbled by low current-gen adoption rates and covid delaying titles for the longest time, come 2023 and a bunch of true next-gen non cross platform titles are coming out that the 3060 can no longer handle at expected settings (i.e. matching console performance).
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>>88766519
>30 series cards will keep selling for a long time, a 3060 is overkill for like 90% of gamers
My 2080ti is overkill for everything but sd and vr
My 6900xt is just about right for vr and 3440x1440p 144hz
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>>88766519
Yep, which is why I'm sure Nvidia is not dropping prices at all
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>>88766510
personally I wouldn't risk burning my house down to save a $100-$200
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>buy a 4090
>pay it off in 3 weeks selling Stable Diffusion commissions
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>>88766553
>My 6900xt is just about right for vr and 3440x1440p 144hz

...tempted cause this is what I have
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>>88766304
>RT looks worse than pre-bake
>Blind, or tasteless, or both.
LOL okay. Lets see. Is it worth it to got from 120fps to sub 60fps so that sunlight penetrates blinds but not a cloth tent top? Yes, cloth is 100% opaque to sunlight. Much visual fidelity. Much realism. xD take that photo out of your rotation nvidiot. its an embarrassment that highlights the limitations of RT..
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can i use freesync on a g-sync monitor ?
will the pixel overdrive work ?
can i use bfi tech with the adaptive sync , like elmb sync on asus ?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XTDq78
Here is my current build that I've been using for roughly 2 years.
I'm swapping my 2060 for a Yeston 3080, and I'm currently conflicted on what other upgrades I could bring to my build.
My 3080 is coming with a $200 giftcard for Newegg, a card that expires in 90 days, so I have to spent it ASAP. The issue is I don't know WHAT I should spent it on. Any suggestions?
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>>88766448
thanks a lot for the info anon, though I'm a bit scared now.

Still haven't looked around for vr headsets but that's good info as well, it might be worth waiting a bit.
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>>88766565
>buy a 4090
>pay it off in 3 weeks selling Stable Diffusion commissions
Apparently lots of people doing this on twitter furry fags and commissions lul if I was artistically inclined it would be easy to touch the wonky shit up and sell to some idorta
>>88766575
Noice I have two older ones a kogan and a xiaomi run fantastic. Try and run vulkan if you can it's insanely fast
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>>88766576
cyberpunk with rt maxed is worth $1000
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drunk snek is best snek
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>>88766313
>”Damn Radeon really hates DX11, huh?”
>*Run outdated driver version that had an issue that was quickly patched*
>*Run in to said issue*
>”How could this have happened to me??!”
>”I must complain about this everday online forever”

>Later

>”See! I can reproduce rhis specific bug on this specific driver version! Hah take that AMD!”
>”W-what do you mean user error? In-intentional? I .. no! AMD BAD”

LOL
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>>88766579
>Gigabyte G27Q

Get a better monitor.
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>>88766304
>>88766576
The only problem with RT (and DLSS as well) is that this tech as a widespread consumer good is still in its infancy. The performance cost of RT is definitely not worth the visuals you get from it, most people can't even tell the difference and most of the time it honestly just looks like ReShade. You can barely notice RT in most games because you're far more focused on combat or whatever than the tiny details in lighting, reflections and shadows. This tech obviously has a lot of potential but for now it's honestly pretty meh.

t. 3080 owner
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>>88766573
then you don't need a 4090 gf
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>>88766552
you mean meme games with insane hardware requirements that aren't actually fun to play?
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>>88766415
It's a certain trash type of overclock known as a base clock OC. Like an all core OC but worse. Not really sure about the details, but unless you want to OC an i3 12100, not worth.

>>88766412
New efficiency standard, new PCIe power connector. 12+4 pin where the 4 pin provides signalling / feedback between the device (like graphics card) and PSU

>>88766379
>do they have anything as good as the new dlss
No

>can i get a 360hz 1440p monitor that works with freesync ?
Yes, even the new monitors (like maybe that one) that come with full G-sync are Radeon compatible

>>88766338
>forced by investors to lower price on 4000 series
Doesn't really matter how it happens, but it's something I'd like to see. I would expect a mid generation refresh sooner rather than later, similar to the Super cards in the RTX 20 series

>>88766433
This is false; there are specific B660s that allow base clock OC

>>88766459
>just want to bump up the frequency
You're basically destroying the CPU's power states. A base clock OC means that you take the base clock and make it an all core constant OC. You're not just tweaking the boost frequency.

>>88766497
>But it can hardly be considered a valid talking point for an industry presentation if nobody could ever purchase anywhere NEAR that price for the majority of the product was on shelves.
To a certain extent, I would agree with this, but you also have to remember that there are rumored base 3060s with less VRAM supposedly being launched, so the numbers on that slide could be related to an as of yet unreleased product. I don't know for sure obviously, don't remember whether the slide specified VRAM, but when I saw it I wondered about the rumored models. Regardless, I take Nvidia's slides with a grain of salt.

>You lose!
My complaint was regarding your statement about the 3050. You will find me to be a very reasonable person and even a stimulating conversational partner if you don't make errors (or outlandish statements)
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>>88766626
Really? It seems fine to me and I've never had any real complaints about it. Seems like a waste to buy another monitor when mines is already doing the job just fine.
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I really hope that amd shits on nvidia with aggressive pricing
right now a 6900xt seems like the best value on the used market, will hopefully fall further after next gen announcements
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>>88766680
If they keep their price in line with previous gens (7700 - $400, 7800 - $600, 7900, $800) then they will have literally undercut Nvidia by half. That wont happen tho. The AMD cards will be $50 less than their Nvidia counter parts.
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>>88766590
>Noice I have two older ones a kogan and a xiaomi run fantastic.

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>>88764947
What do you guys think about that rtx remix? Is it worth the hype?
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>>88766667
well what do you use your computer for ?

if you are gaming I would definitely get an ultra wide if you aren't trying to be competitive, or get one of those samsung va/ oled panels.

I hate those generic ips panels like the one on that monitor. I had a 165hz ips acer predator and it was a blurry mess when gaming with weak picture quality

A 3080 will easily push 200+ fps at 1440p
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>>88766238
it's a totally, and I mean totally, new architecture. they need to write completely new drivers.
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>>88766636
RT will see widespread adoption in the next console generation but until then will remain a meme.

The thing about RT is that unlike every other lighting technique adopted by the gaming industry since the Playstation era that only complicates the production pipeline even further RT simplifies things to an absurd degree and re-unifies the talent pool for game production and the movie VFX industry since they'll now be using the same techniques at different levels of fidelity. Game studios will actively want to move to making RT the new standard once consoles can support it without significant tradeoffs.
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>>88764979
Did it like 2 years ago
Now I'm fucked over regarding stable difussion
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>>88766448
>You REALLY want to get 120fps
I'm going to check benchmarks and see what's the average for the 3090 in VR . I bet it struggles with Flight sim a bit
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>>88766730
>well what do you use your computer for ?
Gaming, especially with graphic intensive mods. My target once I get my new 3080 will be 1440p 144 FPS Ultra High for almost everything I play
>if you are gaming I would definitely get an ultra wide if you aren't trying to be competitive,
Meh. I can't see myself buying a monitor better than my current one for <$200.
>it was a blurry mess when gaming with weak picture quality
So far, my monitor is really clear. Like I said, I've had it for 2 years and I have no real complaints about it. I like the color contrast, and I don't see any obvious errors like ghosting or dead pixels.
>A 3080 will easily push 200+ fps at 1440p
That's good to know. I'm hoping to not have to upgrade for the next 5+ years.
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>>88766722
No, Nvidia likely isn't that far ahead of current texture upscaling solutions used by the industry (which all range from middling to shit) and you'll still need to hand correct the output to have something that looks acceptable and doesn't have upscaling artifacts out of the ass.
Not to mention most of the objects in their demo were clearly redone by hand, both the meshes and textures.
Compatibility is likely to be incredibly bad too, it's likely going to only work with a very limited set of game engines.
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>>88766813
What I'm actually leaning towards right now, would be a new case.
I have the NZXT H510, and it's a pretty case, but I've been told in the past that it's cooling is shit. Now since I have 5 fans in my case, all of my hardware runs cool, but my PC ends up as loud as a PS5.
So I was thinking of swapping cases, any recs?
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Are there any TLC NAND SSD’s that can be run in SLC mode in its entirety and not just a small portion for cache? I’m looking for devices for a writeback cache so I want to maximize sustained write throughput and capacity doesn’t really heed to be larger than 1TB or so (ie a 4tb tlc ssd)
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>>88766602
Actually a buggy unfinished game is worth $60 is 2022

>>88766636
Okay, but still, the example he gave highlighted RTs faults, not its advantages. It showed how it tanks fps and doesnt always diffuse through materials correctly, like the non-translucent tent tops in sunlight.
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>>88766516
Hz != FPS. 60Hz is trash tier. No one except an extreme poorfag or someone who exclusively plays games like Civilization should be gaming
on a 60Hz monitor

>>88766680
>6900xt seems like the best value on the used market
Not really, barely below etail pricing. Not worth buying used over $80

>>88766636
>The only problem with RT (and DLSS as well) is that this tech as a widespread consumer good is still in its infancy
I don't really agree with that. DLSS is in over 200 games, and I just used it in that new SCP game. Most of the time it's basically free performance. I'm not saying every implementation is perfect; I turned it off in that VTMB adventure game because of moire artifacts on some clothing.

>you're far more focused on combat or whatever than the tiny details in lighting
For certain games, I agree with this, but I play a lot of slower games like Dishonored, so there's plenty of time for me to smell the roses.

>The performance cost of RT
Pretty steep, but on a 3080 with DLSS at 1440p, you should be getting playable framerates in most games.
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>>88766579
Update BIOS; spend gift card on R5 5600 and deskpad

>>88766577
>will the pixel overdrive work ?
Not sure. Doing a little research at TFT Central or pcmonitors.info will likely net you the answer. Also the pcmonitors forums are active

>bfi with vrr
Depends on the monitor. Most BFI implementations are garbage

>>88766576
>Is it worth it to got from 120fps to sub 60fps so that sunlight penetrates blinds but not a cloth tent top?
In the benchmark I posted >>88765747, the 3080 is running at over 100FPS with DLSS

>so that sunlight penetrates blinds but not a cloth tent top? Yes, cloth is 100% opaque to sunlight.
I'm honestly not sure that you've ever been outside. It's ok, this is 4chan.

>>88766722
>What do you guys think about that rtx remix?
I think it has a lot of potential. Only works with DX9 games IIRC. Lots of games that could be given a fresh coat of paint (so to speak). One that comes to mind is W40K: Space Marine
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>>88766889
>no UE4/Unity support
Into the trash it goes
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How're msi psus? You think 1000W will be enough for 4090/RDNA3 GPUs?
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>>88766750
>RT will see widespread adoption in the next console generation but until then will remain a meme.
Already not a meme, especially not with the improvement in RT perf with the 40 series
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>>88766905
The answer depends on gamers nexus gpu transient spike testing.
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>>88766667
g27q is excellent, ignore that autist
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>>88766914
Any graphical feature that is PC-exclusive due to excessive system requirements will remain a meme because most developers won't adopt them.
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>>88766918
And that won't be till October...was hoping to start buying pc parts for new build now. Found an MSI ATX 3.0 on newegg and was considering buying it.
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>>88766680
You can get a new 6900xt for $700. Its used cost is about the same right now. It is the one of the best values on the retail market however, being cheaper than a 3080 10gb
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>>88766813
>That's good to know. I'm hoping to not have to upgrade for the next 5+ years.
isn't it a better approach to buy the next gen and then sell your old hardware? that way you always have new stuff for much less. You won't get the same by selling that 3080 in 5years than now
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Why the hell are you idiots arguing about light not penetrating cloth like it's an inherent failure of RTX and not just the developer neglecting to apply the right materials? RTX explicitly has support for translucent objects.
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>>88766914
>”RT is not a meme”
>”Once this untested, unreleased, overpriced hardware hits market, it will exploded!”

lol
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>>88766947
>can't generate AI porn with it
Into the trash it goes
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>>88766969
>6969 on a coomer post

Checked.
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>>88766889
>spend gift card on R5 5600
Sounds good. Think I'll do this
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I told you fags AI would kill whatever miniscule market share AMD has
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>>88766680
6900 xt can't even beat 4 year old vega gcn architecture
>I really hope that amd shits on nvidia with aggressive pricing
sure but they wont charge 799$ for the 7950XT and as such will be deemed obsolete
price predictions by tardtubers shills already predicting 2k prices
yikes
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>>88766936
Console adoption helps, but this is PC gaming, man. We do high framerates or insane graphics around here. Keep in mind that lots of conslow games do have RT, just at 30FPS with limited implementations.

If you look to this >>88762465, you'll see that a large number of games use RT. I'm not saying it's always worth it, but in games like Resident Evil Village, the performance impact is small (because it's primarily a console game, and AMD sponsored to boot so a tip toe implementation to avoid crippling their hardware), so there's really no reason not to turn it on, and it does have a positive effect on image quality.

>>88766964
It's usable now, numbnuts.
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RT is good, spiderman is literally so much better with reflections of the actual world as opposed to PS2 tier images overlaid on buildings.
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>Its another year of waiting for gpu retardation to die off
brutal...
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>>88766813
>Gaming, especially with graphic intensive mods. My target once I get my new 3080 will be 1440p 144 FPS Ultra High for almost everything I play

Ok. I definitely recommend upgrading your monitor then.

UW:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824281135
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824026224

Standard:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824117085
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824281139

Newegg has a msi for $550 that might be the same as the asus g-sync compatible model. I think the viewsonic with the actual g-sync chip is the best one. I thought i read somewhere the g-sync compatible vrr doesn't have pixel od. idk.

Alienware has a 34" UW oled monitor with g-sync for $1300 that looks good. i haven't read any reviews about it but it sounds amazing on paper. I don't see it in stock on newegg.

I do see the samsung VA panel monitor in stock. If you don't play competitively that could be a good upgrade. VA panels don't have shitty ips glow and they have way better contrast. I think samsung fixed the va problems with overshoot and bad responsiveness on those panels.

I know you think that monitor you are using is good enough but i think you will notice a big improvement if you upgrade. I used to have one of those and I switched over to more TN panels for the better responsiveness and I love it compared to what i had before. I'm on a hp omen x27 right now with a 4k lg monitor on the side for watching videos.
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Reminder that 4k OLED monitors are dropping in 2023 and to HODL on your monitor purchases till then.
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>>88766914
Let's be honest, that just looks like ReShade. RT has a long way to go before it becomes something that you look at and be like WELL DANG.
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>>88767063
>4k OLED monitors
my dick is ready
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>>88767031
>It's “””usable””” now, numbnuts.
>Cuts fps in half even on gen 2 RT cores
>Incredibly low adoption rate by devs
>Games that do use it, use it in very limited manner in conjunction with rasterized shadows.
>Looks worse than prebaked shadows still

I mean, yeah, you can turn it on. It still mostly a tech demo at this point
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>>88767063
You already have alienware qd oled and 42" c2 panel oleds
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>>88767063
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-34-curved-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3423dw/apd/210-bcye/monitors-monitor-accessories

this thing looks amazing. ips panels are dog shit
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>>88766579
Get a better case, cpu cooler and fans. It will feel like completely rebuilding your PC.
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>>88767070
>RT has a long way to go before it becomes something that you look at and be like WELL DANG.
There is no "long way to go". RT already provides perfectly photorealistic lighting at sufficient resolutions since it literally emulates physical correct lighting.

The "problem" is that game developers have gotten very, very good at faking realistic lighting using rasterized solutions over the past few decades. So in a "curated" scene where the limitations of rasterized lighting are well-hidden, i.e. outdoor daytime sweeping landscape shots, you'll barely see a difference compared to RT.

Where RT really shines is where current lighting models start failing, i.e. in caverns/indoor scenes and multiple single point light sources. At that point shit starts looking real fake while raytraced scenes still look perfectly serviceable. Or when objects are enveloped in the shadow of a larger object and thus no longer receive any direct lighting but still have some fake as fuck looking rim lighting that makes them look like they're "glowing" in the dark that doesn't happen in raytraced scenes.
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Hang on I want to build fresh now. I haven't build a pc in 15 years
Are you telling me whatever I build now will be bascially unupgradable in a few fucking months
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>>88766636
i'd say the problem is more you're replacing one set of tricks and gimmicks (baked lighting) with another (a tiny fraction of the rays needed for actual raytracing plus AI denoising and DLSS etc. to fudge the result.)

real raytracing looks amazing but you can't do any of the really cool looking stuff in real time still.
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>>88767112
>>88767124
>alienware qd oled
Is great but not a fan of ultrawides for daily usage.
>42" c2 panel oleds
2big
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>>88767171
Theyre for media consumption where infinite contrast, fast response times and HDR are relevant
You have lcd based stuff for work.
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>>88766722
what the fuck is that shit?

those aren't even slightly the same textures, or even models.

nvidia's bullshit knows no fucking bounds
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>>88766889

>>88766889
>I'm honestly not sure that you've ever been outside. It's ok, this is 4chan.
Projecting this hard, lol

Look up pictures of tents during the day. They are not pitch black inside during the day. Light gets through. Here is a picture of a canopy tent for reference, so you dont have to go outside.
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>>88767063
After playing on a 60" led TV I learned why Linus is a TVfag. Despite TVs having lower refresh rate and native resolution, and higher input lag, you simply can't go back to those tiny 30" monitors. The feeling of having almost your entire field of view filled with the screen is too damn good.
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Best monitor is an Odyssey Ark
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>arc isn't cancelled at all, intel plans to continue forward with their gpus
Why the fuck did amdtrannies push so hard for weeks that intel was dropping arc?
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>>88767225
you should try VR
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Can I see some pics of your guys builds? I'm curious and shy to post :<
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>>88767242
miniled is miniled
Still lacking suitable amount of dimming zones, algorithm has to pick between different downsides.
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>>88767225
>Despite TVs having lower refresh rate and native resolution
>lower native resolution
In what world?
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>>88767244
Lets be honest, it's not a hard rumor to push.
But as Intel said, they have the money to lose on the GPU business for years in order to establish themselves.
I'm just hoping Battlemage actually releases when it's supposed to and has cards that can compete with whatever is out from nvidia and amd at the moment.
An A770 barely beats a 3060, so yeah.
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>>88767244
>intel will use their massive piles of cash and sell the arc at a massive loss to fast forward adoption of the brand
Please god let this be true
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>>88767195
What are you even trying to argue here? RTX works with semi-transparent materials and diffraction just fine, go look at all the water demos of RTX.
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>>88767295
16gb vram for the cost of a 3060 could be huge for budget AI and productivity stuff, though that's a pretty niche market
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>>88767164
the difference is that one set of gimmicks is labor intensive and the other isn’t
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>>88767332
Yeah, but not in specific image you posted. In that one the tent tarp cut light like lead shielding.
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>>88767340
Yeah there's potential there, we do need to see how their architecture performs
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Ran Cinebench23 on my 12700k, Temps got 90 with some core hitting 95/96. My cooler is an AS500 is that a bad temp? Should I be worried if l mostly game and maybe make half hour worth of video per month?
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>>88767406
Bro how did you fucking get to buying an AS500 for a 12700K? You should get an AK620
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>>88767406
>90°C in Cinebench
wow
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>>88767406
Its bad temp. Just dont OC and you should be fine in gaming. Intel really cranked up wattage to keep up with amd this gen. Consider getting a large aio water cooler.
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>>88767304
>rtx 4000 series is released overpriced as fuck
>everyone banking on amd lowering prices
>they raise them right up to where nvidia is
>intel decides fuck it and sells their gpus at a loss
>ends up being the saviour of the gpu market
not going to happen but this would be the most kino timeline
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>>88767440
Intel redemption arc lol
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>>88767427
It was on sale and online reviews said it was an okay cooler.

What's a better air cooler that won't break bank
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>>88767467
Well, the reviews arent in on the peerless assassin and it *looks* good. You should really consider a 240+ aio. A dual tower noctua or be quiet dark rock pro are the actual air coolers that make sense here but are expensive.
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>>88767440
>everyone banking on amd lowering prices
I still don't understand why everyone is expecting this after they've seen what happened with Zen3.
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>>88767467
The AK620 I just told you to get instead? Or a Fuma 2 Rev B.
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>>88767283
TVs have much lower pixel density than monitors and the reason for that is because TVs are designed to be seen from a distance while monitors are designed to be seen from up close. Barely noticeable when you're playing video-games but it can be quite annoying when you're reading Windows text at higher resolutions.
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>>88767437
Will Undervolting help?
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>>88767517
zen3 has claim on being the best money can buy. Amd gpus are subpar. This isnt me saying it, as we seen itt and many other pc building forums, people simply wont buy amd at same price as an nvidia gpu. And the market clearing prices for amd is even lower than amd has set.
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Give it to me straight; 4080 good value or am I just better off getting a 3080?
My GT770 is dying
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>>88767590
Wait for 3rd party benchmarks??
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>>88767590
Only 4090 is good value of the lineup.
The 4080s are like a joke, they're meant to push you to spend more or buy last gen.
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>>88767517
Zen2 was equal to better in performance to 9th/10th gen and Zen3 was clearly on top so AMD raised prices, RDNA3 is going to be like Zen2.
$1099 7900XT

>>88767590
what is the rest of your system like?
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>>88767518
>>88767502
Actually I realize I have the AS500 plus, ie the two fan version. Is it still better to change it or am I running too much. I genuinely thought I put too much originally.

Don't think it's my cables or board my GPU only hits like mid 70 on heaven
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>>88767617
Maybe you have a bad mount.
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>>88767617
Honestly it just doesn't feel like enough regardless of how many fans you throw in there if it's not double tower like the AK620 or Fuma
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>>88765953
>1080p, cherry picked 4k game
kek
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>>88767617
Peerless Assassin 120 SE is $35 on Amazon and the reviews their say it cools a 12700k. No tech publication has a review on it yet tho.
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>>88767590
get the 3080
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>>88767596
Doesn't the 4080 12gb have a 192bit bus? That's pretty retarded if so.
>>88767602
You know how many guns or ammo I can buy with 4090 money? My most expensive gun wasn't even 4090 money (FB Radom Beryl)
>>88767604
Equally dated parts but I do have a new build just WAITING FOR A GPU
>5800X
>32GB of Crucial RAM (forgot the type, it's the 3600mhz iirc)
>Noctua DH15S CHROMAX BLACK
>Asus Crosshair MOBO (forgot which)
>Antec 1000W titanium psu (it was on sale)
>Fractal Meshify 2 Case
>WD Black SN850 (2TB, heatsink model)
>Samsung Evo 970 (from before the Pro/Plus kikery, 2TB)
>Crucial MX500 (2TB) SATA
>WD Ultra Star drive I got from local vendor
>>88767742
I'll see what I can do when my paycheck hits sometime today. I'm not sure if close to $800 is a deal for a B stock EVGA unit or if I should try finding a new one with warranty for similar pricing
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>>88767666
Hmm thanks I'll give this a look. Sale coming up in two weeks.

>>88767701
That too.
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>>88766579
Chuck a 5900 or 5800x3d in it
>>88766647
>then you don't need a 4090 gf
But new bigger mommy is faster and making Ai waifus and I wunna 2048x2048 and muck around with the new encoders decoder and temporal engine. Huge leap over my 2080ti mommy but not so much the 6900xt side slut now that ROCmommy is coming into its own
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>>88766718
34" monitors just like you.
Weird Aussie brands that sold under different names
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>check thread
>FOUR DELETED POSTS
huh
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Guys, Hitman III does not launch anymore when I click play, it crashes. Why? I was able to play 24 hours ago, new drivers installed, files' integrity checked
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>>88768323
AMD GPU?
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>450€ budget
>want a 2nd monitor (already have a Msi 24'' monitor)
>5600X and RTX 3060 Ti
>Want to Upgrade for 27'' 2560 x 1440
Should I go for pic related?
It can rotate, has low input lag and would be decent next to my MSI 24'' monitor in term of contrast.
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>>88768355
yes, I have been playing fine for months, reinstalling the game. RX 580
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>>88768183
Dumb intelvidiot really got b& for the third time, this is hilarious.
>>88765110
>>88766304
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>>88768361
yeah its prob fine
Those monitors that cant go into portrait mode are kinda silly.
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>>88767063
sure but will the tech actually be viable for daily productivity use?

Text readability on current oleds is shit and burnin has still not been solved despite any shilling to the contrary and invasive bandaid fixes like autodimming. Not touching until both these things are addressed.
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>>88767063
will do, looking for a 4K 120Hz for my One X
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>>88765747
>You might not like it, but DLSS and RT are killer features
Yes, DLSS kills the image and RT kills the framerate
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>>88768589
>RT kills the framerate
only on Ayyymd
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>>88768608
On Nvidia too go from 150+ fps to 50fpsm
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>>88768638
those are the amd numbers
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>>88767063
Can you link to which ones or article?
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bros
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>>88768693
soul
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>>88768693
would
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reminder that you don't need more than a 3700X/9900K, it wont bottleneck a 4090 at 4k
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Help for Hitman III please, I am reinstalling it, 27%
I think I will reinstall W10 tonight

On the other hand, I know my way around GNU/Linux but never been able to install dxvk so Hitman II and Elden Ring can work, any guide for quasi-braindead people like me? Every time I try to install from source I fail
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>>88766238
Their drivers were never really good for gaming.
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>>88768760
this nigga is still playing at 144hz lmao
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https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/1573190320019615747

AD104 outperforms 3090 Ti and has 48MB L2, deal with it, faggots

It's 80 series class performance just like GP104 1080
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>>88768806
still not buying it
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>>88768768
just emulate that shit lmao
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>>88768825
emulate? WTF?
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>>88768831
o thought u said hitman 2, forgot they made new ones
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>>88768693
whore
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>>88768841
Oh yeah, I forgot about Contracts
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>>88768693
Finally some waifu cards.
Or whatever they call them in Taiwan.

>>88768768
>>88768323
Check windows logs for clues about why it's not starting.
I'm assuming you already rebooted, but if it relied on a launcher, you should check if a dead one is still in the task manager.
You're probably on win10/11 but check if it snuck in an update on you.
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>>88768787
I must confess I've only watched the GN video but it seems that the main issue isn't the drivers themselves but the surrounding software and overstuffed features.
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>>88768872
>You're probably on win10/11 but check if it snuck in an update on you.
how do I do that and same for logs, please?
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>>88768806
dont care not buying a 4000 series card
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Bros, is it finally time to upgrade from my $20 Xeon X5680 and RX 480 4GB?
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Will the 12gb of vram be enough for me at 4k if I get a 3080 ti?
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>>88768872
Task Manager seems fine, no sus processes
Reinstalling W10 would be faster, I have external drives for my shit

>>88768897
Yes, does it have SSE4? I had to because my Mac Pro 2,1 (2x Xeon X5365) didn't have SSE4 and forced me to go Ryzen
I used to play Gears 5 and Horizon 4 at 45-60FPS CPU bottlenecked at Ultra
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>>88768897
yes
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>>88768897
>zip-ties
Come the fuck on
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>>88768897
it's the perfect time to wait
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>>88768876
The anon they're replying to thinks the igpu on every intel is similar to coding a real gpu.
And yeah, part of the delays is fixing the very 'modern' programming habits and cleaning up output issues.

>>88768890
Control Panel > ??? > Admin Tools > Event Viewer
There should be an option in Windows Update to view installed updates.
You might also have better luck asking in /sqt/ but you kinda need to know what changed on the leadup to its refusal to start.

>>88768916
>Reinstalling W10 would be faster, I have external drives for my shit
I guess. I used to keep windows isolated to its own drive in case it an hero'd, but it's been pretty stable for me after turning off numerous scheduled tasks.
But I'm also still on Win7...
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>>88768897
CPU-Wise, I would keep this setup for now if it still plays games but I would check for a new GPU and sell the RX 480 after the upgrade.
Can't you get another Xeon that is better instead? MAYBE you can find a MoBo that is dual-socket for dirt cheap too and use 2 CPUs as I did with my Mac Pro 2,1
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>>88768955
reinstalling game, can't launch
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>>88768897
based build because I ran something similar two years ago
>X5670 @ 4.5Ghz
>XFX 480 8GB (the blower one)
>24GB Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz
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>>88768915
Probably. I'd expect that, by the time many games start needing more, you'd be running at reduced settings (and/or upscaling) to get a playable framerate. In effect making the problem self-limiting. On the other hand you would do well to look up benchmarks for some of the games you play now, being careful to avoid the "allocated vs. used" trap, to check for edge cases. AFAIK there's no "stock" games right now that need >10GB at 4k but maybe you're big into MSFS2020 with 8k textures.
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>>88768916
I don't really play AAA games though, mostly just WoW and indie games.
>>88768923
How else am I going to hold the fans on? Can you buy the wire brackets for a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme from 2008?
>>88768987
Nice, I have a more moderate OC because I don't have air conditioning. I'm only running 12 GB of RAM as well.
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>>88769087
with similar to this, washers too
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>>88769087
Keep it then, you just need a new GPU. I run a R3 1200AF at 4GHz and all games that I play run at 60FPS and more, up to 110 in Hitman III. Buying a 5800X, OC'd to 5GHz on all cores and calling it a day for the next decade
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>>88768693
wtf I love njudea now?!
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>>88768916
I didnt answer, yes it does SSE4.
>>88768957
That sounds like a lot of effort for this old hardware.
>>88769117
That's actually a great idea.
>>88769128
I'm probably going to pick up a 5700X and a 3080 or 6800XT, we'll see how the prices go over the next month.
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>>88769190
wait for Black Friday, you will pay close to fuck all, maybe able to afford a 5900X. I am waiting
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>>88769190
Keep that PC, no need yo upgrade if games play fine and you play WoW, no reason to upgrade at all
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It's been more fun shitposting about these aweful rtx gpus then actually owning one (2080ti) what an aweful 4 years for gpus
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>>88769036
That's fine. I wasn't planning to run modern games on the 4k anyway.
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>>88768658
Those are Nvidia numbers
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>>88769128
>5800X
>5GHz on all cores
Not possible. The boost will only do 5Ghz on a single core. As soon as you hit 4.8Ghz all core, your temps are already at TJmax on a 420mm AIO.
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can anyone explain why the rtx 4080 has smaller numbers for the cuda cores and memory interface? doesnt that mean that it will be slower than the 3080ti?
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>>88768897
>used AM4 motherboard
>$160 5600
>used ram
>used 3070/3080
its pretty much the perfect time
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>>88769370
It has greater IPC and improved architecture so it can get away with lower specs.
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>>88764947
You think the 6800/xt or 6900xt will get a big price cut before/after the launch of the next gen? I am still without a GPU and I can put my vidya focus on games which run fine on my setup, but if the ayymd prices end up being garbage because they want to compete for price instead of market share I'll have to settle for one of the aforementioned cards instead of a new one, undervolting be my blessing.
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>>88769445
You can already get a 6800xt for $400-500 which is as good as it gets before they get discontinued.
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>>88769370
it has a greater density of transistors per core

>>88769445
AMD just dropped the MSRP on everything
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>>88769483
>>88769441
so does it perform better than the 3080 in all aspects? i dont really care for gayman btw, i just want faster ai training
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>>88769457
>>88769370
>can anyone explain why the rtx 4080 has smaller numbers for the cuda cores and memory interface? doesnt that mean that it will be slower than the 3080ti?
Yep it's the 970 and 2080 all over again
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>>88764947
Bros is there a good reason to betray our greatest ally after 2 decades of loyalty?
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>>88769483
>AMD just dropped the MSRP on everything
Local retailers must have missed that news, I guess it will arrive in a month or two.
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Today I will change the thermal paste of my 2014's i7 4790k. I never changed thermal paste myself but since in some shops they asked me 50€, I let them fuck off and try myself. I already watched some videos to see how it's done, but was wondering if there are any final tips you could give.
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>wikipedia states 4090 is 73-82 tflops
ps5 absolutely btfo'd
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>>88769531
yes it should perform slightly better than a 3090

>>88769572
relax it will be fine
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Hi, I'm the guy from the last thread asking about the computer with the AMD GPU for both Gaming and Programming classes.

>>88762961
I don't know what the term 'SFX PSU' means, I know that the ATX is about the form factor of the motherboard, so I can only assume it's the same for the PSU.

>>88762934
I doubt it will be needed for the programming part, but since I'm also planning to use it for gaming, I thought it would be for the best to cover both bases?

>>88763068
Well, for the time being, we're being taught C on codeblocks, although I will say, that the "XFX 6600XT Speedster' is like, around 150€ cheaper than most 3060ti.
Although if the difference is that big that it would be for the best to get the 3060ti, I would be glad to hear.
Thanks for the help guys.
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>>88769572
>but since in some shops they asked me 50€
What in the flying fuck?
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>>88769571
Tfw my 3rd world local retailers of Nvidia dropped prices but didnt drop AMD prices and that anons cant believe 3060ti is $100-$200 cheaper than 6700xt.
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Currently my setup. What should I prioritize in upgrading when the sales comes in near the holidays? RAM and GPU I assume. Will the 3070 would be good upgrade cost to performance wise?
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>>88768897
Retire her to porn archiving duty

>>88769572
While the intel is likely retained properly, twist the heatsink a smidge instead of trying to pull it straight off.

>>88769588
>'SFX PSU
Extended SFF (small form factor)
They're pretty much only for meme itx builds, not standard cases.
Multicore helps with compiling times, if that's going to be part of your programming exercises.
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>>88769625
>Multicore helps with compiling times, if that's going to be part of your programming exercises.
Yes, we've been told that we will be building code and compiling it for testing purposes.
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How mad of a idea is to get a MANLI 3080 12GB?
I know it's chinkshit but it's ~100€ cheaper than the closest alternative and a whole 250€ less than an Asus
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>>88769571
6700 xt is already $380, you're an idiot.
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>>88769652
You get what you paid for.
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>>88769599
>You have no idea how jewish computer stores are when it comes to any kind of service/troubleshooting. I make a lot of easy money by doing some general IT and troubleshooting stuff on the side for friends, friends of friends, family, etc. and they constantly approach me since I ask for much less than the jews in stores do.
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>>88769310
I can do it, if I can get 4.1GHz stable on a 1200AF I will be fine. Been OC'ing since 98
Even 4.8GHz is perfect
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>>88769660
Turn that into euros and add 100.
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>>88769701
Similar for Chinada
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https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900k-is-now-the-fastest-cpu-in-passmark-single-thread-ranking

THANK YOU INTEL

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
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>>88769701
>living in Europe
How is it not illegal to game in Europe yet?
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>>88769694
there's a high chance you won't even hit 4.8ghz. each core on your 5800x responds differently. some can boost up to 4.9, others will crash going higher than 4.7. if you use curve optimizer to give your bad cores extra voltage headroom then your temps will quickly spike.
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>>88769738
lmow
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>>88769762
>How is it not illegal to game in Europe yet?
see california
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>>88769694
>trying to push clocks on an arch that dont even fucking scale with clocks
Lol
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>>88769829
Wish me luck, anything I get will beat my 1200AF for sure. Never had one so I will learn
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>>88769672
What's with the greentext?
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>3080 ti, 3090, and 3090 ti are all similarly priced

What the hell is going on?
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>>88769738
is that the end all be all test of performance? I'm particularly worried that it has 8 less "real" cores than the 7950x and tries to make up for it with "efficiency" cores.

is that really smarter architecture?
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so I'm gonna need to upgrade from a 1000w psu to a 1200-1500w psu to support a 4090 and 7950X? This isn't even the entire power draw of the system. Obscene.
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>>88769599
I'd charge that much too
fucking with cpu coolers sucks
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>https://www.marketwatch.com/story/moores-laws-dead-nvidia-ceo-jensen-says-in-justifying-gaming-card-price-hike-11663798618
>“A 12-inch [silicon] wafer is a lot more expensive today than it was yesterday, and it’s not a little bit more expensive, it is a ton more expensive,” Huang said.
>“Moore’s Law’s dead,” Huang said, referring to the standard that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every two years. “And the ability for Moore’s Law to deliver twice the performance at the same cost, or at the same performance, half the cost, every year and a half, is over. It’s completely over, and so the idea that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past.”
from now on perf increases will come with increased cost every time, we have stagnated and hit peak perf
it's over
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>>88764947
dawg, i went to a brick and mortar shop and got the cheapest ups

it doesn't even have any amazon reviews
anyone else's experience in buying no name pc stuff?

it'll either be the best shit or the worst shit, i'm also not getting a surge protector, i think if anything happens, the ups will die and keep my PC safe, worse case
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>>88765010
think again
poor bros rise up, i'm going from 8gigs to 16, i don't need no ddr5!

early adopting next gen is for rich people and fools
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>>88769625
>twist the heatsink a smidge instead of trying to pull it straight off
thanks, will do. i saw a video on jewtube of a guy changing thermal paste on that specific cpu and he did that too. thanks for reminder though.
>>88769584
aye
>>88769599
>What in the flying fuck?
yeah, my jaw went immediately on the floor. i mean, for 20€ i would have done, i don't like to do these stuff by myself, but charging that much it's insane.
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>>88764947
I require assistance. I plan on building a new computer for the purpose of gaming on a 1440p 144Hz monitor. I also despise Windows 10 (and I hear I will also disapprove of 11) and consider going Linux, as its support has apparently improved greatly in recent years.
My plan was getting RTX 3080 or 3090, but my Linux-fluent friend warned me about mixing Nvidia with Linux. I've had 3 AMD cards since building my computer in 2012, and they always felt like I was settling by getting AMD.
What graphics cards should I look into?
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>>88770099
Very dubsy post... I should add that I'd much prefer a card that won't give me heat strokes. My previous card, R9 390, ran awfully hot and did in fact almost cause me to faint just by trying to pump 100+ frames per second.
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>>88770038
so will they always offer a card that matches a legacy card's performance and meet it at the legacy card's depreciated market value?
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Should I just say fuck it and get a 3080 TI? 4xxx series is severely overpriced.
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>>88770147
if you were gonna get a 4060 or 70 just get the 3080, if they 3080 does what you want it to do buy it cheap instead.
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>>88770161
I was going to buy the 4080 but the 16 GB for $1200 USD is not an easy sell.
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>>88769951
You haven't seen anything yet

Arrow Lake will have 32 E-cores and it will demolish AYYMDEAD even more
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>>88770236
>Arrow Lake
The name is not cool enough. I'm gonna wait until they release Sword Lake or Katana Lake.
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>>88770262
whats with these names anyway
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Should I get a 1tb or 2tb ssd? Do I buy the heatsink that comes with the ssd?
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>>88770291
Illuminati and all that. I don't know man.
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would the 3090 be worth it over 3080 Ti because of the vram?
I have a 4k monitor with a 3070 and I want to future proof the gpu, double the vram would let me use highest resolution textures in future titles
the 3070's 8gb gets filled up pretty quick
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>>88770099
Checked.
Apparently the open source drivers for AMD get a lot of community support to fix things, whereas Nvidia didn't bother providing any access to drivers until recently. So maybe they will get better.
Actually, if you currently have an AMD gpu, you could test run linux with it couldn't you? I guess arranging disk space would be a hassle but that would let you compare a game you play directly.
But if you really need RT or Cuda cores, you might have to figure out how to beat win10 into submission if linux doesn't work out.
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>>88769738
>Unfortunately, there is still no sign of AMD Ryzen 7000 series in PassMark charts
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>>88770363
3080 is enough for 4k, you should only get a 3090 for productivity reasons.
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>>88770370
>>88770370
>>88770370
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>>88770300
2tb if you some bucks to spare
>Do I buy the heatsink that comes with the ssd?
no
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>>88770420
*if you have
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>>88770420
So the heatsink that comes with the mobo is good enough or should I just get an aftermarket one?
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>>88770431
>So the heatsink that comes with the mobo is good enough
yeah. i assume you only use it for gaym
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>>88770462
I do.

Now to figure out if I should get the 980 pro or the SN850X.
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>>88770478
i would chose 980 pro personally
https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide.png
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>>88770581
Thanks for the help.
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>finally make enough money to splurge on high-end gaymer pc parts
>don't really play gayms anymore
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>>88770818
I actually run my own business and have plenty of free time. I just don't really enjoy spending hours on video games anymore. There are no good video games out that I even want to play. The ones I do currently play unfortunately do not need a 4090 to play it.
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>>88769883
>3080 ti, 3090, and 3090 ti are all similarly priced
>
>What the hell is going on?
Their all the same speed just different vram
Also historically before 2018 used gpus and new gpus over a year or two old where not worth shit and here basically all on clearance after 18mo
Last 5 years starting with Vega and the mining boom that hasn't happened until now
Bare in mind most of these high end gpus are coming up on 3 years old soon and there's a tonne of excess inventory
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>>88769981
Kek yep my 6900xt and 5900x killed my old 1kw (only drawled about 700w maxxed out oc)
Now your Gonna have to get a 2kw pcie5 psu and eatx case as well
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>>88770769
>finally make enough money to splurge on high-end gaymer pc parts
>don't really play gayms anymore
Not your fault gaming has been particularly bad since 2019-2023
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Any reason to pick up the 3090TI instead of the regular 3090?
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>>88765110
>>88766304
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm is that a third ban?
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>>88770379
DELETE THIS
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>>88771678
For games neither. For productivity it's w/e.



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