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So, a dehumidifier with a filter?
Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
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>>88012261
just imagine how much power it draws per glass
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>>88012282
And the constant noise, anyone that ever ran a dehumidifier knows it sounds like a PC going full tilt all the time.
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GUYS WE NEED TO STOP RIVERS
RIVERS ARE DUMPING LITERALLY A MILLION METRIC TONS OF DRINKING WATER INTO THE OCEAN EVERY DAY
THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED SOMEBODY THINK OF THE AFRICAN CHILDREN
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>>88012261
wasnt the moral of the first four dune books "terraforming is bad, the atmosphere should stay as it is"
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>>88012308
you are correct
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>>88012261
>computerized bullshit
>"like dune"
no.
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>>88012261
>visit carmack
>"hi bro nice atmo water gen"
>fart next to it
>a completely toxic silent-but-deadly
>"anyway dude later, enjoy your water made from the air"
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>>88012308
Which is retarded, since that implies some kind of godly intention to how "nature" is, and the people that push this rationale are ALWAYS atheists.
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>>88012352
It has filters that can filter sewer water to drinking water, a fart will do nothing.
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>>88012368
>my shit particles will be stuck in the filter that all the water runs through
good enough for me
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>>88012261
>using electricity to suck water from a 45% humidity environment
OH NONO NONONO LOOK AT THIS DUDE!
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>>88012355
i dont think herbert was implying any sort of godly intention, it was really the opposite. if youd read even the first book youd understand the entire point of paul's and leto II's arcs were that gods only bring stagnation and therefore destruction. the real world should embrace chaos, and chaos means not managing the environment to be in some constant, never-changing state fit only for human life, because that would stagnate evolution, as shown by leto II's 4,000 year peace
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>>88012402
>you shouldn't disturb NATURE because its ALIVE
How can you have this train of thought and not ascribe NATURE as a super natural/godly force?
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>>88012261
>Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
Almost all of them
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>>88012400
Hello overnight nosebleeds and sinus infections
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>>88012447
So, collecting rainwater or literally just opening the tap water is less energy efficient than running a dehumidifier+chiller+heater+filters 24/7 to get 3 gallons per day?
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>>88012446
because entropy is not controlled by anything, it is not godly unless you consider chaos to be a god (the path warhammer 40k took when adapting dune)
read the books, i cant really do it justice since its a four book essay on why nature is not a god, and im not really smart enough to summerise it.
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>>88012282
Probably draws more energy then just trucking it from somewhere.
It's the biggest issue with these things.
Where the machine works efficiently is in places where there isn't water scarcity. Where there is water scarcity usually means low humidity and the machine strains to collect meaningful amounts.
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>>88012474
Why is human intervention not part of the chaos then?
You LITERALLY can't have this argument if you aren't claiming that there is A PLAN for how things should go, AKA a GOD.
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>>88012464
A dehumidifier already does all of those anyway except filter, which I presume runs on gravity. The only stupid part is running a dehumidifier all day at 45% ambient humidity.
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>>88012527
You didn't answer the question.
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>put a dehumidifier In a furfag convention
>turn off ac
Literally bottled faggotry
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>>88012261
>with a filter
Only if you subscribe to gold.

Why would you pay big cash to drink air conditioning water? Nigger, just clean your fridge ice and drink it. Same shit.
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>>88012261
These things are pretty great. I have one next to my humidifier so that I don’t have to go to the sink to refill it
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>>88012501
the point is human intervention creates a plan, amd there should be no plan. humans controlling nature becomes a god, and there should be no god because a plan has an eventual ending, which leads to stagnation. the entire point is to avoid that. chaos has no end, a plan does.
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why are they called superhero movies if the greatest superhero in the entire series dies and loses?
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>>88012576
Thats like, infinite water for free!
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>>88012581
A plan by humans are part of the natural chaos of the universe, unless, you know, the planet/universe has a god with a conflicting plan or something.
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>>88012576
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>>88012261
another case of
>rich person buys into obvious scam and feels proud about it because he has enough money to not care that it's a scam, and the real value he got out of this was showing off that he's so rich he willfully lets himself get scammed
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>>88012261
I wonder if(even if you don't take into account the energy expense) by drying up the environment and making you more thirsty, you actually end up with a net-negative on your body hydration levels.
At least on a closed environment, probably making the machine suck air from outside is much more efficient in a dry environment than from inside.
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>>88012261
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>>88012462
Where I live it can get down to 10 - 20%. It's not that bad if you're used to it. Feels like I'm breathing soup when I travel somewhere humid.
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Its almost $3k + disposable filters btw.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353686781147?chn=ps
There are fridges that cost less than this.
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>>88012605
you are entirely missing the point. centralised systems of control deny change and therefore inbibit chaos in favour of a managed plan. habing a united galactic empire was this managed plan, and the reason leto II held this empire for 4,000 years was to stagnate humanity to teach them that for humanity to survive it needs to do the opposite of that. to not manage its environment to suit itself, but to adapt itself to suit its environment.

there is no need for a god in this idea. a god would be organising some perfect final position, and planning for an eventual move to that. in christianity that is hevan after the day of revelation, an infinity of stagnation. harbert's books were writing to be the exact counter of this, because infinite peace and tranquility leads to the death of the psyche in a species that was born out of a need to constantly adapt and change. dune was all about evolution and avoiding anything that could hinder it, weather that be a religion forcing people to stay the same, a political movement of eugenics, or terraforming to remove the need to adapt.

the whole point of dune is evolve or die stagnant. there is no god in this scenario, only ever-moving chaos.

read the books.
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>>88012689
10%? where do you live, britain?
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>>88012547
You have to understand what a fucking dehumidifier does before you get to ask questions.
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Enjoy the legionnaires
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>>88012261
Well... It's either that or swamp ass. At least this means you can drink it instead of tossing it out.
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>>88012261
>Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
not the point
in the desert you have lots of free energy (scorching sun)
hook these up to solar panels
you have guaranteed drinking water in the middle of the desert without the need for any infrastructure
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>>88013045
Is John Carmack on dune?
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>>88012282
>>88012480

This. Much more efficient to desalinate and ship clean water.
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>>88012368
>a fart will do nothing
A protein fart has the killing power of chink fentanyl.
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>>88013045
Except in the fucking desert there's single digit percent moisture in the air 350 days a year
It's not the energy usage that's crippling, it's the fact that it can't pull moisture from dry air.
The fucking product page says it only works optimally at 80% humidity.
Fun fact: places that have high humidity a lot of the time also rain a lot of the time
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Does it have cartridges to add minerals and shit back in? It's considered dangerous to drink dehumidifier water for this reason, being devoid of the healthy shit in tap/well/bottled water. I'm assuming that's what the "filters" do, if not...
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>>88013675
See >>88012703
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>>88012261
can it run doom?
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>>88012261
>excited about a dehumidifier
Ok.

>>88012282
>>88012480
>On average, dehumidifiers use 0.427 kWh of electricity per hour. The most common amount of electricity that dehumidifiers use per hour is 0.548 kWh. Overall, the amount of electricity that dehumidifiers use per hour ranges from 0.23 kWh to 0.983 kWh.
That's under $0.14/hr on average in the US and that's after a large year over year increase.
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>>88013870
Go back to redit you fucking absolute mongoloid.
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>>88013879
seethe
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>>88012261
>inefficient
Well I did the math for a typical small/medium dehumid.
~300 watts running, 24 hours is 7.2kwh
With a typical capacity of ~10l per day that comes out to about 2.5 cents per glass, at ~.17kwh

it aint perfect but if your water is shut off or contaminated and you have some way to power it, all you need is a filter and everyone in the house wont die of thirst so I have no problem with it.
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>>88012678
thunderf00t makes good points but my god the structure of the scripts for his videos are atrocious. He will just circle back to a previous point and repeat it without changing it several times in a video. And I can't stand to listen to him on anything less than 1.5x speed.
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>>88013460
All dehumids are rated for 80% optimal humidity.
All their specs are for this.

Also in the desert it is usually 35-40% humidity for about 8-10 hours through the night.
Desert life necessitates oversizing almost everything, so if I were to go Dune mode in an apocalypse I would have a unit rated for 100 pints per day, and power it on 1000 watts of solar with 5-6kwh of battery backup.
It's not impossible to dehumidify 15% 110 degree air, you just need a beefy unit to collect a functional amount of water.

Even at a 24 hour production of 20% the rated capacity on a 100 pint unit, that's 9.5 liters of water and nothing to scoff at. Thats enough to cook, drink and do basic spartan cleanliness for 4 people every day, in the worst of conditions.
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>Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
bottled water.
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>>88012689
What kind of soup anon?
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>>88012678
>>88014229
he also speaks in that condescending "are you serious" tone. fucking annoying
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>>88012446
You're stupid as hell anon
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>>88014324
Is this boomer using a filter or do her eyes just look like that
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>>88012703
Doesn't modern refrigerators evaporate the collected moisture back into the room? They could be using that water for a built in ice maker instead. A win-win for people living in hot and humid climates.
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>>88014324
>warns people about what they say on social media
then says on social media that she invents ways to fire people based on what they say on social media
>are boomers really this retarded?
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>>88012261
Reminds me of all those bullshit Kickstarter campaigns advertising a "solar powered water bottle that fills itself".
The result was a tiny weak dehumidifier that generated a few tablespoons per hour depending on humidity.
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>>88014373
Are you dumb, stupid, or dumb?
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>>88012576
I laughed
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>>88012261
i didnt think the wind-traps in dune were powered at all. they are described as working like the desert mouse's ear lobes, trapping moist air and letting the water naturally condense via the heat built up on the other side of the trap.

yoi might be thinking of moisture harvesters from star wats, that is also what the original post is mentioning. dune is called arrakis, tatooine is from star wars.
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>>88012261
What's the difference between this and licking the ice that forms on the sides of my freezer?
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>>88012261
We would be better off having desalinators in our homes. Pipe infrastructure that sends sea water around, a desalinator in the home powered by solar (sunny desert), that you can use for house hold water.
Also insentivise having green gardens with trees as that increases transpiration and humidifies the enivronment, helping reduce evaporation rates.
If you do this enough it can transform environments (see israel).
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>>88014555
I've never seen a more retarded post in my life, sincerely hope you are trolling.
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>>88014619
Half trolling.
I think salt water infrastructureis stupid.
But desert greening to increase humidity works.
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>>88012261
>Obscenely rich tech nerd living in a solar powered house buys expensive toy
What's the problem?
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>>88013874
Based you could run one of a solar panel.
Now someone need to create the shields so we can go back to melee based warfare like in Dune.
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>>88012261
isn't dry air bad?
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>>88012261
I think you end up paying more for electricity it's a complete scam but still cool from a tech standpoint but utterly useless
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>>88012261
imagine how valuable this thing would be after SHTF
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>>88014944
Yeah, do people think that water falls from the sky? Fucking retards, these machines would be invaluable!
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>>88012368
idk man what if i fart really hard though
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>>88012400
What if he has solar
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>>88012295
Oddly enough, you're right. The ocean will be fine with a tiny bit less water, and the human race will love more freshwater availability.
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>>88014950
>what are droughts?
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>>88012355
>Which is retarded, since that implies some kind of godly intention to how "nature" is
>Nature took several million years to find a perfect equilibrium
>Just destroy it bro, leaving it as it is means you believe in God or some shit
Is this the power of American brains?
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I live in Florida so I can taste the humidity in the air already
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>>88014950
you have never been to new south wales and it shows
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>>88012261
I mean you could build ones that are massive and don't require energy input. Funny enough, I was looking into this today because of the condensation on my bottle. But, these condensers wouldn't really be an issue/weird if energy was like orders of magnitude cheaper, like we got fusion working or some shit.
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>>88014308
steamy hot soup

a sauna is a good way to experience high humidity
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>>88014282
>the rated capacity on a 100 pint unit, that's 9.5 liters of water
What the fuck is with your choice of units here?
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>>88012308
No, it was about how blindly following charismatic rulers is retarded
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>>88012678
KEK
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>>88015504
no im pretty sure it was about environmentalism
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>>88014324
Maybe this ugly fucking cunt should listen to her own advice. Whatever did happen to her?
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>>88012261
the amount of water in the air and the amount of energy required to harvest is silly in all but a few climates of earth
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>>88012261
Just erect a fuckin billboard, bruh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AifWSmxBncc
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>>88012261
Carmack has been officially confirmed to be a retard.
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>>88012261
>Atmospheric water generator
So a dehumidifier?
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>>88012308
I've only read the first one, I thought the ultimate plan was to terraform Arrakis.
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>>88013874
>0.427 kWh of electricity per hour
:|
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>>88012368
>a fart will do nothing.
Psychological destruction. You'd be drinking the water and thinking about the person who farted and how you're drinking his/her farts.
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>>88015729
yes and the entire rest of the series hinges on how much of a galactic fuckup that was

>spice controls the universe
>the spice must flow
>hur dur lets remove the one source of spice in the galaxy
spoilers for children and heretics btw
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>>88013460
You would be surprised. Lima for example is located on a desert (all of the peruvian coast is) yet it almost never rains there but the humidity is unbearable. This is due to a phenomenon caused by the sea air and the andes mountains.
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>>88015550
Its about both, mostly about philosophy of ruling and religion and their effect on course of history. Melange is parallel to oil in some sense and the fact that you will keep the whole planet as a desert just to harvest it, even though people suffer while making few ruling class people rich and no one does anything about it as they also need the spice.
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>>88012295
this, but unironically
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>>88015947
kek
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Reminds me of the dude running for California gov who wanted nulear-powered desalination plants along the coast to secure drinking water. Seemed pretty awesome.
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>read dune
gross
reads like the bible
Asimov is much better.
dors is my waifu.
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>>88015077
>the perfect equilibrium
yes, the perfect equilibrium in the absence of humans.
if we go there then a new equilibrium will be established to include this new variable.
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>>88013874
>0.427 kWh of electricity per hour.
So, 0.427KW? Hurrrr
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>>88012807
>10%
>in a country where it always rains somewhere
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>>88012261
>presumably has solar with capacity to run off-grid
>finds alternative to chemically treated general water supply
What does Carmack know that we don't?
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>>88016254
>Asimov is much better.
What the fuck you on about? Asimovs ideas and books are great and interesting but as a writer hes really shit.
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>>88012261
>Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
No.
All water from air things are just dehumidifiers and useless.
Worse, they need maintenance if you don't want to get Legionnaires disease.
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>>88013874
I run a dehumidifier in an 80%+ environment. 500W is about right but I get a lot less than 3 gallons so it implies Carmack's one is a lot more powerful than 500W.
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>>88016559
>government bureaucracy
>lineages
>in detail
I'll have to read them both again.
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Dammit, I didn't want to learn that Carmack was an idiot. Shouldn't have come to /g/, I want to go back to being ignorant.
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>>88012678
I can't believe I watched this fucker in my edgy atheist teen phase.
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>>88012462
Yes, fuck humidity.
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>>88012308
I haven't read/watched Dune. Does the term "terraforming" refer to making a dead planet habitable, or changing an already habitable planet to make it more suitable for humans?
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>>88012261
maybe he's not into physics
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>>88014324
It's always funny to see things like this and then get unsolicited job offers with HR roasties begging you to work for them.
So which one is it, Karen?
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>>88015969
>not even rainwater is safe
we have fucked this planet's water beyond fucking belief holy shit
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>>88017467
>https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/
it's not real.
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>>88013874
>anon asks how much kwh per glass
>other anon gives an average overall consumption
God damned retards.

Dehumidifiers come in various sizes, and the most common are very small dehumidifiers to stop your home from being a swamp, not cabinet sized dehumidifiers to make gallons upon gallons of drinkable water a day.

I just read 830W for this model, the Nu Water 30.
Carmack said 3+ gallons a day or about 12 litres.
Assuming he runs it 24/7, that's 1.66 kWh per litre of water.
A glass of water is a quarter of a litre.

That's 415 Wh per glass of water.
ABOUT HALF A KILOWATT HOUR TO DRINK ONE GLASS OF WATER.
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>have tons of sweaty sex
>drink the water harvested from the evaporating sweat.
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>>88017708
Carmack doesn't fuck
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>>88012261
Wait until you see why AC units have drain lines.
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>>88017736
you can't drink that water though
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>>88016367
Humans are a disease and nuclear weapons are the cure
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>>88012308
Dune in the first place was an unnatural environment because sandworms just fucking ate and shat out everything
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>>88012295
Yeah. It has been the water source for civilizations for 8000 years, until (((someone))) had the bright idea to dump incredibly toxic waste in it, and kill the ecosystems to farm the land filtering river water. And pump gyphosate on farms killing every living thing, including bacteria - which is not genetically modified using a proprietary process done by the same company marketing glyphosate - on the land. All rivers now are toxic and unfit for human consumption.
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>>88018526
But... MELANGE!
Think... which real-world species is eating and shitting out everything creating an inhospitable, unnatural environment out of their paradise planet?

>>88018407
^this. Nuke Zaporyz... the fuckhuge NPP russkies have occupied and playing chicken with. Start WW3. Nuke the Earth back to the stone age, let Uncle Darwin take care of the rest. Hopefully civilization stays in the stone age (~ American Indian cultures) this time.
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>>88014960
i lost to this
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>>88016254
>reads like the bible
thats the point lol
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>>88014324
I don't condone it, but I do understand it when people commit violence against white females. They're all gung ho karens for whatever the TV tells them.
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My body is acclimated to 70-100% humidity, whenever I travel I feel like I am in a desert. The actual desert feels like i'm in a desiccator. When it is humid and room temperature it feels nice. Humidity is only bad if its hot enough to sweat. Why would you want a dehumidifier?
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>>88015882
>spoilers
fuck I was just about to start reading the second book
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>rich autistic faggot likes to play around with useless tech
>/g/ seethes about it
ok
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>>88016367
>Mr. Anderson do you know what I classified your species as?
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>>88012261
>Nu Water
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>>88018771
The most pro-technology /g/ user.
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>>88016796
Carmack's done a lot of good work and is now old and wealthy. I don't really see the harm in him goofing around with expensive tech toys and posting about it on Twitter. He's footing the bill both for his silly toys and the power they consume, and he doesn't seem to pretend he's saving the world by doing so either.
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>>88012261
get rekt with your electricity bill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtqljdMwRyk
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>>88017467
IF `see headline` BELIEF
ELSEIF `coom`
return 9
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>>88012282
>>88012292
what if you live in a drought prone region of the U.S. with several hours of direct sunlight throughout the day? (southern california for one)

How crazy would it be to build an independent offgrid solar array to power this system to generate my own water with a similar setup?
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>>88017566
>AEI
|>
|3
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>>88021040
The amount of water you would generate for the power wouldn't make any sense. You could literally sell your excess power back to the grid and buy water to get orders of magnitude more water.

If, for some reason, you're in the middle of nowhere with no water sources around (lol, lmao, etc), you're better off just... bringing some water with you. They make big containers with caps on them, just bring 50 liters of water and that's enough for a family of 4 for a week.
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>>88021098
i'm thinking more of a future where there is no more water to buy and what water remains is rationed severely. It's already happening in Mexico, and SoCal is only a stones throw away from that reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/03/mexico-drought-water-shortages-theft-rationing/
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Reminder based Carmack married a Ayn Rand worshipping libertarian Asian
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>>88012261
I already have a dehumidifier, why not add a gravity filter for free drinking water?
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>>88021170
I'd imagine that's exactly what it is.
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>>88019775
I have lived almost my entire life in summers where humidity is rarely below 70%, I recently moved about an hour further from the beach and it's amazing.
My hands get cracked but it's actually tolerable to stay outside.
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>>88021170
>>88021186
Also dehumidifiers are basically just A/C without a barrier between the hot and cold sides, so you could also collect the condensation from your A/C and filter that as well.

I actually might look into it because why not. I think it'd be pretty cool to capture water from both your car and house A/C.
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>>88021133
Then you'll have far more problems to worry about. Good luck maintaining your giant glowing "come steal me" markers in the post apocalypse. Dehumidifiers are breeding grounds for bacteria, hot, warm, and moist, so without heavy filtration you're not getting anything drinkable out of them.

And if you're somewhere humid enough to get more than a glass a day (if you're lucky) out of one of these things? You don't need one. A tarp hung between a few trees with a rock in the middle will collect more water whenever it rains.
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>>88021226
>Dehumidifiers are breeding grounds for bacteria, hot, warm, and moist, so without heavy filtration you're not getting anything drinkable out of them.

That's actually a valid concern. It would require filtration/clean up which is another concern. I'm confident i can scale it up to pull more water than a glass worth. I have a lot of space. What I don't have is drinkable water.
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>>88012261
>people worship this living soijak
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>>88021226
>Dehumidifiers are breeding grounds for bacteria, hot, warm, and moist, so without heavy filtration you're not getting anything drinkable out of them.
Oh wow if only that wasn't a problem humans solved thousands of years ago!
>filtering with soil and sand (see indian wells and coyote holes)
>let it set in copper or silver vessel overnight
>boiling
>iodine
>man made filters
It's a trivial issue really. Not to mention there's still uses for grey water.
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>>88015729
No, the ultimate plan was to save humanity from extinction.
>>88015882
More like:
>Look at me, I'm a charismatic leader and a literal God.
>Follow me, worship me!
>Hehe, nope, I will make your life a hell for the next ten thousand years.
It was to teach humanity a lesson.
So they stop finally following charismatic leaders, a path that would lead to humanity's extinction.
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>>88017566
>environmental damage is fake because liberals are hysterical
i hate amerimutts so much it's unreal
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>>88021133
Didn't Johannesburg run out of water a few years ago?
How is it doing now?
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>>88017467
Truly the power of Gods.
Next: the universe.
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>>88021457
Oh, it was Cape Town and apparently it started raining plenty again.
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>>88020866
baka
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>>88021098
>selling your power back to the grid
>being connected to the grid
ngmi
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>>88021098
>50 liters of water and that's enough for a family of 4 for a week
bitch nigga u crazy
a 5 minute shower is almost 100 liters
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>>88018400
Why not?
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>>88021730
Who the fuck is taking showers in the post apocalypse?

>>88021677
>living off-grid with no sources of water nearby
ngmi
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>>88012678
kek this caught me off guard. thunderf00t is a funny clown.
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>>88015582
She was not working at the time, she was only LARPing as a waggie
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>>88012703
fucking retarded
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>>88021818
boiling one pot for a meal for 4: 20lt. 140lt per week, assuming they're smart and only cook once per day.
keeping those 4 hydrated just enough to prevent death: 1 lt each per day, so 28lt per week
using a rag and a pot instead of a shower: 10 lt each, assuming they do it 3 times a week that's 120lt
288lt total and that's not even counting evaporation and other uses so it should be even more than that.
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>>88012368
Even if you are drinking 0.0000001% of my fart, I already won.
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>>88021147
Mark Zuckerberg called his wife insane
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>>88021898
>>boiling one pot for a meal for 4
If only it were possible to cook meals without water.
>using a rag and a pot instead of a shower
Bathing is COMPLETELY unnecessary in a survival situation. Stop throwing away 120 liters because you're braindead and think you need to shower every day or the bacteria will kill you somehow.
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>>88021933
>the bacteria will kill you somehow.
the bacteria WILL kill you eventually if you don't shower. Just a week without showering already has an impact in your health. Also it attracts infections that WILL make you, between other things, dehydrated.
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>>88014324
shes like a weird zelda npc
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>>88022006
>the bacteria WILL kill you eventually if you don't shower.
I haven't showered for 6 months. Before that, I hadn't showered for 6 months prior to that. I've bathed, in my adult life, less than you do in an average week.

Bacteria won't do shit. You understand nothing of biology, not bathing just makes you stinky. Clean water is what's important.
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>>88022006
>the bacteria WILL kill you eventually if you don't shower
where is the proofs
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>>88022006
>showering is the only way to clean yourself
nigga you can take a navy shower with as little as 1 liter or just wash yourself with a wet rag like someone else said.
Also, for a healthy person you definitely have to go much longer than a week to have any adverse health effects.
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>>88012261
Not only is it inefficient, the water probably also doesn't have any minerals which is unhealthy. Apparently in Finland they had too soft water, which was causing heart attacks and other health problems, so they now artifically add minerals to the water.
>>88021040
>what if you live in a drought prone region of the U.S. with several hours of direct sunlight throughout the day? (southern california for one)
Those sorts of places don't have enough air humidity to allow for this.
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>>88012282
He lives in commiefornia iirc so not much water to draw from. One of the few cases where this type of thing might he justified.
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>>88022327
>minerals
actually a good point. Although they make reverse osmosis filters that add in minerals, you could just run collected water through one of those.
>pheasibility
Could be viable in Central Texas where humidity is 60-70% consistently.
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>>88012261
wew lad, they rebranded air dehumidifier (itself a rebranded AC)
I don't even want to know how much of a premium this rebranding carry
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>>88016516
No, 0.427 kW
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>>88022571
a.k.a. 427 W
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>>88022615
Yes
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>>88014905
It's mind-numbingly boring from tech standpoint. It's just yet another device that's just a reverse heat engine. Also see fridges, coolers, freezers, air dehumidifiers, heat pumps and ACs. They all function based on a refrigeration cycle.
t. HVACR engineer
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>>88015077
>a perfect equilibrium
nature isn't static
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>>88021454
doomsday 'predictions' about how serious environmental damage is are fake
simple as
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techlet here. do these things have the potential to be made more energy efficient, or is just doomed to physics.
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>>88021133
RO is still cheaper and more scalable
fuck, even just distilling over a fire is better
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>>88022006
>the bacteria WILL kill you eventually if you don't shower
you need to be 18 to post here
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>>88022781
doomed
reverse osmosis is an orders of magnitude more energy efficient way to get drinking water
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>>88022877
That's dependent on having undrinkable water though.
The device in the OP is a meme. But collecting water from condensation from stuff that's going to create it anyway seems like a good idea. Refrigerators and A/C units already collect the water from condensation, but just let it evaporate back into the air. It wouldn't be hard to simply filter that water and collect it and wa-la! Dune/star wars moisture farming.
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>>88023009
sea water is free
it's way cheaper to pipe it if need be than fuck around with air dehumidification
it's a pointless meme
simple as
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>>88023009
It's voila.
And the laughable amounts of condensation you get from AC in climates prone to droughts is not worth the investment and operating costs (new filters, etc.)
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>>88012261
Why would you want to drink shitty indoor air water?
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>>88023097
>>88023140
Besides the fact pumping isn't free, we already use tons of stuff that creates condensation and capture it. All you have to do is store it in a tank instead of a pan and either empty it out occasionally or just pump it to your hot water heater or something (it wouldn't even need to be filtered for that)
It would be a drop in the bucket (pun not intended) for the individual person, but on a large scale it would save quite a bit of water. Think of places like LA and that have shitloads of people and A/C but have water issues.
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>>88023205
maybe it will get done for appearances
but it's pointless
kinda like the idea of stealing electricity and 'carrying it out' in a battery that I read on 4chins
theoretically possible, but not worth the effort for the amount you'd get
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>>88023205
>but on a large scale it would save quite a bit of water.
In a dry climate (the only place water shortages are an issue to begin with), you would manage to reclaim maybe half a cup of water per day per household. For a city block, that's the equivalent of one toilet flush.

It's not even remotely worthwhile as a water saving solution. The cost of implementation would be 50,000x more than you'd ever possibly recoup.
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>>88023310
>source: my ass
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>>88012295
Ya they tried to do this once but then they lost money

I think they're (Chy-nuh) trying to buy that land again now
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>>88012261
he might have to shut it down after he gets the power bill
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>>88023477
read up on how to read psychometric chart and see for yourself, laddie
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/psychrometric-chart-mollier-d_27.html
in dry climate you ain't getting an appreciable amount of water at sane evaporator surface temps
simple as
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>>88014410
Great way to drink filthy water.
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>>88021040
You will get more droughts because you are exhausting the water lol
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>>88023516
You have a retarded understanding of geography. Not every where with water issues is the fucking Sahara desert. Southern California has water issues and fairly normal humidity. Central Texas has water issues and somewhat high humidity.
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>>88023609
I eagerly await photos of your condensate purification setup and breakdown of the ROI.
AKA lmao
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>>88023632
>goalposting moving
someone already did it
>50% humidity
>1 gallon an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvX-D6Ooobs
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>>88017393
>It's always funny to see things like this and then get unsolicited job offers with HR roasties begging you to work for them.
Go a post that all lives matter and that you love trump on your linked in, do it now faggot, I dare you.
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>>88012368
>It has filters that can filter sewer water to drinking water

If I took an explosive liquid diarrhoea and passed it through this filter, would you drink the water that comes out? I wouldn't.
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>>88021415
>Hehe, nope, I will make your life a hell for the next ten thousand years.
he didnt really though, all he did was ban all forms of technological invention and vehicular transport (amomg other things) as well as create a geneticaly superior army of MILFs to fuck into submission anyone that tried to revolt

it wasnt hell, it was stagnation. it was no social or technological development for 4,000 years, but otherwise there was peace and a lack of poverty. only the musem fremen were given harsh conditions to live in, the rest of the imperium was fine, if stagnated the point was to show humanity that without some harsh exterior force to challange it, it would eventually consume itself with indulgence through a broken psyche. letos ultimate goal was to make humanity crave invention and challenge. the reason the fremen and sardukar were so OP was the harsh conditions they lived in, and leto wanted to teach all of humanity that unless they too lived in the harshest conditioms, they would grow lazy and fat and docile.

its implied leto forsaw extragalactic invasion wiping out the human race unless he could spur them into surpassing humam limitatioms, which is why he also bred prescience into his bloodline, as well as turned the fish speakers into basically superhumans, so that they could continue the evolution of humankind after his death, when humanity was to finally understand that living in prosperity is actually no good for them. the charismatic leader part is only a small part of his message - any form of indulgence, of peace, or of centralised government is inherintly bad for the species as a whole.

it was the equivilant of forcing a kid to eat a whole pack of sour gummy worms to teach him that eating a whole pack of sour gummy worms makes you fucking sick. that kid is never going to want a sour gummy worm again.
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>>88024761
Literally all the water you've ever drank was something's explosive liquid diarrhea shit at one point. It was just filtered naturally.
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>>88024761
What do you think happens to explosive diaherra you flush down the toilet?
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>>88021733
It's apparently full of heavy metals
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>>88021040
You need humidity to make it work bruh and all the extremely humid areas already got plenty of water.
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>Nu Water 30
the jokes write themselves
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>>88014448
Sorry ma'am your eyes just look freaky as hell
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I don't get what the fuzz is all about.
If that shitbox is efficient it chills the room in summer and if he lives in Florida or some shit it would nicely get the humidity down and squeeze liters of water out of literal thin air like it's nothing.

Don't tell me the thing can't chill a room as useful side product.
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>>88027022
Please explain how does a dehumidifier chills the room.
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>>88027334
>what is air conditioning
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>>88027705
Please explain how dehumidifier=air conditioning and how it chills a room.
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>>88022740
If there was something interesting it would be how they plan to decontaminte the water with minimal maintenance and keeping the whole system not a heath hazard.
Condensate is fucking disgusting as you probably know.

>>88027778
Not that anon but in the definition of air conditioning it puts humidity control as a part of it.
In practical terms if you lower the humidity it will feel cooler than it would be at higher humidity. Especially if it's low enough for sweat to evaporate, the phase change literally cools your skin.
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>>88027022
>If that shitbox is efficient it chills the room in summer and if he lives in Florida or some shit it would nicely get the humidity down and squeeze liters of water out of literal thin air like it's nothing.
That's literally what A/C does. See how the grass is so much greener near your A/C unit? It's from the condensation from the A/C. If you captured your A/C condensation and filtered it you could do the same thing and cool the room at the same time.

The difference between a dehumidifier and A/C is that a dehumidifier isn't split by a barrier so all the heat it pulls out of the room it releases back into the same room.
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>>88027778
Do you understand how condensation works?
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>>88012261
>buy my atmospheric water generator
>line the floor of my apartment with baking sheets
>fill baking sheets with piss (optimal surface area to mass ratio, evaporates right away)
>collect peepee humidity as drinkable water
>can do this infinite times
>collect solidified salt/urea in jar for culinary use
>get invited to company potluck
>bring mojito limeade made with my peepee water
>smoked pork ribs that have been brined using my peepee solids
>"mmmmm you're like a pitmaster anon"
>this is what they say as they consume the peepee
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>>88012402
>the real world should embrace chaos
sorry, im here to KILL chaos
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>>88012548
Mmm chewy
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>>88027334
pass 9th grade first
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>>88028637
>>88027859
>>88027845
>a magical machine can magically generate cold air in a closed environment
The complete state of /g/.
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>>88012261
I might buy one I love owning things that help save the environment.
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>>88012261
What’s worse is the water collected is deionised water, it has no mineral content , you’ll slowly start suffering mineral deficiencies.
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>>88012355
You have no right to interfere with Nature.
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>>88028847
Why? Is it SACRED?
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>>88028854
To many, yes. It is our duty as rational actors to preserve it and minimize the damage we inflict as much as we can and if you don't agree take your bible and go live in a toxic dump. Let's see how well your god will protect you.
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>>88027778
you have just asked the equivilant of "how does sunshine have anything to do with hot weather"

dehumidifing air requires condensing the air to reduce the water content. to condense the air you have to cool it down. this is like grade 2 science. a dehumidifies expells cool air, albiet since their primary function isnt air conditioning they only condense by a certain ammount and usually do the condensation over a longer period of time to save energy usage.

an air conditioner spits out cool, dry air unless you also have a humidifer built in.
a dehumdifier spits out dry, cool air unless you also have a heater built in.

simply increasing the cooling capacity of a dehumidifyer would allow you to cool a room and there are many such portable cooler units that do exactly that. having ome that ALSO filters the water into drinkable water would be really fucking neato, because usually they just spit out water that you have to empty, and i think that water is considered greywater (although i dont know)
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>atmospheric water generator
You mean like... a dehumidifier? Also, enjoy generating a single glass of water for the equivalent electricity taken to run an AC for an entire day.
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>>88014229
Yeah his videos still feel like something out of 2011.
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>>88017566
Those forever chemicals are PFAS chemicals. They are a group of about 1000 chemicals that are used in shit like non stick goods, stain resistant, water resistant goods, cleaning goods and most common toiletries. This shit is beyond toxic linked to thyroid issues, low birth rates and a bunch of cancers. Theyre so widespread because they dont break down over time. Even worse is that most governments dont even want to admit theres an issue but almost all water sources are poisoned with this shit. Definition of zog poisoning water supply.
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>>88023742
It's not even worth the effort of carrying that tub. Water is so fucking cheap.
There's a reason why nobody has a filtered setup. Not worth it.
But you do you.
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>>88027705
>>88027022
air humidifier actually warms up the room
fucking faggots and your imaginary devices that break laws of thermodynamics
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>>88022740
>coolers
Scratch that (maybe?). I'm not anglo but I think 'cooler' is a name for an insulated box without compressor or peltier module.
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why be rude
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>>88012261
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>>88012261
> Nu Water
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>>88012308
You could argue that humans already terraformed Earth.
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>>88015077
>Nature took several million years to find a perfect equilibrium
Shut the fuck up you moron.
We already messed with it. You are talking out of your ass. If you were such a nature lover you would be out living in the wild instead of shitposting on 4chan you gigantic hypocrite.
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>>88012261
I think John is saying - we're all gonna need those soon.
Especially when they're not checking water quality properly any more anywhere.
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>>88012400
>also removes the humidity in the room and improves equipment longevity
It's smarter than you think.
Plus if you run solar, it's pretty foolproof.
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>>88014960
lol'd
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>>88012615
>run a magnet through the wire coil
This is literally how electricity is produced.
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>>88029250
>anal.png
No pls
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>>88012261
>Is there a more energy inefficient way to get water than this?
Probably through some chemical reaction, or actually using nuclear fusion to create the oxygen atoms.
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>>88012703
I bet those filters aren't clean or healthy to use either.
Then again, none of our water filters, that don't use distillation, are. Looking at you, cheap ass desal producers that use fucking membranes on a source that is essentially a sump for microscopic life on our planet. You are pants on head retarded if you think it's good enough.

Btw, desal using states in the US tended to have covid problems more aggressively and I suspect it's because they drink where they shit (because that's literally how wastewater still works, despite what people actually think about their wastewater treatment today).
People have no clue just how bad things really are, because they really think our wastewater treatment and drinking water treatment is adequate. All I know is that desal is extremely noticeable compared to dam supplies and even groundwater supplies.
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>>88012308
I thought it was about how dependency on spice and subsequent monopoly of power was bad.
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>>88012308
no, it's not to blindly worship and follow your leaders
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>>88012958
>implying that isn't exaggerated so that they can dump literal industrial waste into your drinking water supply
There's a reason why they don't use distillation in most supplies. How else will they find an excuse to get rid of industrial waste?
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>>88012308
Dune is about how Japanese hentai monsters will dominate every planet in the universe.
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>>88016796
I remember watching a Sam Hyde vid where he was playing Doom 2016 when it came out and he pointed out, rightly, how much of Doom's design was fucking Romero's work (because Carmack clearly focused on the engine and graphics processing which was new tech back then).
Carmack made it run well, but Romero focused on making it fun.

That doesn't mean that Carmack had no gameplay knowhow or that Romero had no technical know how, they just had better fortes in the areas they focused on.
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>>88017059
I think they're talking about changing the quality of the environment rather than "bringing life" to it.
I would be surprised if there aren't microbes and shit on another planet in the solar system. But we, as people, obviously wouldn't call that "habitable" to our standards.
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>>88017642
He could just fucking distil tap water, it would be far more efficient.
But I think he's probably thinking about the humidity effects on his equipment... plus just for the flex.
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>>88012462
Don't get nosebleeds until around 3-5% humidity
then I want an unironic dune nasal moisture tube
t. desertfag
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>>88024761
You already do.
>groundwater will inevitably filter into dam water supplies
Regardless, my city literally has wastewater outlets near our desal inlets and no one seems to give a fuck.
That was... until covid started to mysteriously spread amongst the community during lockdown in weird ways.
Then suddenly my water started to taste very very chlorinated.

None of this made the news of course. But I noticed. Especially when the side effects of chlorine start to emerge in you and people around you more and more.
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>>88028246
That's a rather chaotic thing to do.
In fact, I would call that an oxymoron.
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>>88012261
I basically need it to survive. Its regularly 70%+ relative humidity and very hot. I've noticed I don't have to set the air conditioning as low when I have it running though so I think it balances out
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>>88029196
>produced by Korn Inc.
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>>88029523
That doesn't sound inherently bad, just whoever planned the operation did a shitty job. If anything, that failed terraformation project should have been a learning experience.
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>>88021040
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>>88012282
it get energy from the air
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>>88030288
>wind powered dehumidifier
Genius!
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>>88023205
>dont even need to filter it for that
When water heaters get too dirty internally they develop problems that lead to a tank explosion.
Even in "clean supply" low particulate/low mineral water areas your water tank should be flushed every 10 years.
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>>88028918
THE HEAT.
ANON.

THE HEAT OF THE DEHUMIDIFIER WORKING.
STAYS IN THE ROOM.
AN AIR CONDITIONER IS OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, OR FOR A WINDOW UNIT THE HOT SIDE OUTSIDE THE WINDOW.

DEHUMIDIFIER = DUMPING ALL IT'S OPERATING WASTE HEAT INTO YOUR ENVIRONMENT
AIRCON = DUMPING THAT HEAT INTO THE OPEN AIR

DEHUMIDS CANNOT COOL A ROOM.
WHY ARE YOU RETARDED
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>>88029115
>air humidifier actually warms up the room
wow good thing i was talking about the exact fucking opposite of that
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>>88030470
you are either incredibly retarded, from a third world country, or both

there is an entire product categories of portable coolers that do exactly what i described. some have a large flexible pipe that sits outside your window, some literally just blow hot air out the back so you cool one room while warming anothet. sit there and argue science all you want, i literally own a white box that sits in my corner and both cools and dries the air in my room. maybe its poweted by magic, but it uses no exhaust hose nor does it spit hot air out the back. but it does have a drip tray that i habe to empty every other day.

tell me how this works. go on.
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>>88030815
yeah yeah yeah, it was mostly to the retard with horse pic
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>>88030851
this throws warmed up air outside the house
air dehumidifier doesn't have that exhaust tube
though I guess you could rig it, but it's not what the original argument was about
air dehumidifiers and OP's device both heat up the room
simple as
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>>88030856
he isnt though. it would be a really good idea and perhaps incredibly profitable to have a dehumidifier that both cools and dries your air, as well as provides drinking water. its entirely possible and im certain they exist, again i already habe one that produces non-filtered water as a by product, adding a water filter would be trivial.
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>>88030866
>>88030851
or it could also be a swamp cooler, those kinda work in very dry conditions
can't be arsed to read your retarded posts, sorry
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>>88030866
>this throws warmed up air outside the house
no, it doesnt. it sits in the corner of my room with its back to a solid wall and no exhause pipe. and yet my room stays cool.
how?
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>>88030877
>can't be arsed to read your retarded posts, sorry
>lalala im not listening but you are retarded though
ok
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>>88030879
guess physics is wrong, call Hawking
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>>88030870
you are talking about air conditioning
dehumidifier has both evaporator and condenser inside the house and doesn't pipe any air outside
that's how the term is used, nothing you can do about it
in essence they are all the same (reverse heat engines running refrigeration cycle - or for the very weak and inefficient one using peliter effect) but used differently
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>>88030889
or maybe we solved the excessive heat generation problem by compressing the air to both reduce water content and cool it down without using the peltier effect

jesus man go read a book
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>>88030888
no
nothing you say will make >>88027022 be not retarded
he was talking about OP device, and that device does not chill the room
it warms it up
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>>88028847
I am Nature too, just as much as deers and pines and e. coli and methane.
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>>88030908
No, you fucking monkey. It's really simple:

water (liquid) + energy (also called boiling) = water (vapor)
water(vapor) - energy (also called condensing) = water (liquid)

So where do you think the energy you took out of the water (vapor) goes?

>jesus man go read a book
yeah, you definitely should. Just because you don't "feel" like the thing is heating your room, it's clear it does.
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>>88030879
if it's that exact device in pic then it's a swamp cooler
it humidifies the air and thus cools it down
doesn't work in humid climates

now it may or may not work to make you feel better, as though it makes the air colder, it also makes it more humid, thus harder to expel heat by sweat evaporating
you would have to compare blue area https://comfort.cbe.berkeley.edu/ with isenthalpic lines
but from memory they are more steep than the outer edges of blue area, so it should in fact work (a bit, if it's really dry)

but it's also the exact opposite of air dehumidifier or the device in OP, so it's completely beside the point

not the first time I've seen retard arguing because he can't understand what people are talking about
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>>88030942
>boiling
evaporation
boiling is evaporation in the whole volume, at lower temps water evaporates only from surface and at lower rates
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>>88030969
>both cools and dries the air in my room
>but it does have a drip tray that i habe to empty every other day.

how is that a swamp cooler man, he's talking about a dehumidifier
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>>88030470
This could work if you could have an insulated reservoir to dump the waste heat into that could be removed and replaced. Obvious problem being that as the reservoir temperature increase the system efficiency would decrease, so you would need something very dense, with a high specific heat, and a high thermal conductivity. Water is the best material I know for all three and it's still very limited. Metallic hydrogen would work beautifully, if it existed.
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>>88030992
I already wrote that I'm not reading the retard's posts, I can't stomach to read them.
But he used a pic of evaporative cooler.
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>>88024761
>I wouldn't.
laughing hard at this
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All the concerns in this thread seem to center around power usage.
When are we going to solve the energy problem to make this a moot concern? Are we even close?
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>>88031191
No because retards are putting up solar panels and wind farms instead of nuclear power plants.
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>>88031210
So you're saying we need to attack politicians who prevent construction and funding of nuclear sites, in minecraft, and it will work itself out afterwards?
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>>88031191
Never. Entropy doesn't like concentrated energy. You will always need to make sacrifices to generate it.
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>>88031225
No, we need to shift society's view on nuclear power in general. Getting rid of politicians would just lead to them being replaced by another batch of the same brand of retards.
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>>88031225
Can we bury the waste in your backyard? It needs to go somewhere.
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>>88031254
no, what we need is a way to deal with nuclear waste. burying it forever is not a solution.
and yes, I know other forms of energy have their downsides. that doesn't make burying nuclear waste OK.
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>>88031267
Nuclear waste can often be reused a few times and when it's buried it becomes safe after like 100 years, so eventually down the line you can start digging up old shit and making room for new waste. There's also breeder reactors which completely use up the fuel and could be used to dispose of nuclear waste, but they're not as developed because attention shifted away from them.
And ultimately it's still better than burning fossil fuel, nuclear waste is completely contained, it's not farted into the atmosphere like CO2.
Lastly, power generation is advancing all the time. Nuclear is the best option right now, that doesn't mean it has to be the only option for all time. If people figure out how to make fusion work without burning up more power than it generates we can switch to that in the future. And also there's thorium reactors, but like breeder reactors those are too experimental for me to say anything too definitive on.
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>>88031319
Breeder reactors aren't developed anymore because they are largely restricted be nuclear non-proliferation treaties since they produce fissile plutonium.
I've not seen any significant development on thorium cycle reactors since the US canned their reactor in the 50's, ironically in part because it was useless in developing nuclear weapons.
The biggest hangup I've seen for developing new reactors in the US is the out of control cost and delays seen in Plant Vogtle. Lawsuits and political interference probably played a part, but I doubt that it was the whole.
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>>88031256
Just this once. But you owe me.
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>>88031256
If you give me the backyard, sure
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>>88031210
>>88031256
>>88031267
>>88031319
Stupid question: how viable is it to just blast it into space?
What if we make giant self sufficient electrical gauss cannons instead of rockets and fuels.
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>>88031191
There is 0 incentive from both corporations and the government to empower people with free and practical unlimited energy
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>nuclear power
>solar power
>coal power
the answers have been right in front of you this whole time except the US military and big coal have covered it up
thorium liquified salt reactors
and also tidal/hydronic generators, but mostly thorium.

this is not a difficult, environmentally unsafe or even terribly expensive problem to solve, there is just very little profit in it (and you cant use thorium to make weap- uh, accidents).
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Algae vill eat ze radioactive vaste
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>>88031597
That pic makes me miss comfy summer vacations
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>>88015817
you drink the same water your GF, sister and mother used when cleaning out my cum from every one of their orifices.
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>>88031592
>molten salt reactors
Sounds like /v/
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>>88031567
>lets take material from a close loop ecosystem and just remove it from that ecosystem, thatll go really well
yes, blast bits of earth into the sun. but our rock is perfectly balanced, and i doubt you could remove much material before that balance starts to tilt - even just digging this shit up and moving it aroud/refining it is fucking with things let alone actually removing it entirely. at least woth the current environmental issies, the planet will eventuslly return to its natural state. once you start blasting shit away from it, you reduce its capacity to balance itself out again.
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>>88031626
So you're saying Earth needs to harvest resources from other planets not just to exert its dominance and supremacy, but to compensate for its own losses. Much like the fish in the sea eat each other. I see, I see.
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>>88018400
Yes. It's literally pulled out of the air.
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>>88031612
All mine btw
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>>88031651
>earth in the year 2231
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>>88014960
you shit, if you fart really hard you shit
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>>88031651
yes
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>>88031651
Do NOT fuck with the moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0h7mbySzRc
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>>88031706
t. American
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>>88012678
Thunderfoot is right though. That retarded contraption wastes 830 watts constantly when you could just use the tap.



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