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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. video editing, competitive gaming, streaming etc.)

>NEWS
AMD Zen4 - Early Fall 2022; 19-35% performance gains expected
Radeon 7700, RTX 4080 & 4090 - Soon after Zen4
RTX 4070 - Likely delayed to November.
RTX 4060/4050, RX 7600/7500 - likely not until H2 2023.
Intel will likely remain the best option for poor people and those needing a space heater

>RECOMMENDED FORM FACTOR
ATX is the standard choice, alternatively ITX or even MATX

>RECOMMENDED CPUs
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 10105
Budget Gaming: i3 12100/F, R5 5500
Gaming: R5 5600/X, i5 12400F+cooler
Best Gaming: R7 5800X3D
Multicore: R9 5900X/5950X, i7 12700/F

>RECOMMENDED GPU PERFORMANCE LEVEL
Budget 1080p: Used GTX 1060, RX 470/570, Intel ARC A380
1080p: RX 6600/XT
1440p: RTX 3060ti, RX 6700 XT
2160p: RX 6800, RTX 3080, RX 6900 XT

>MINIMUM RAM
2x 8GB DDR4 3200CL16/3600CL18

>RECOMMENDED RAM
4x single-rank 8GB DDR4 3600 CL16 or 2x dual-rank 16GB DDR4 3600 CL16

>RECOMMENDED COOLERS
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>RECOMMENDED PSUs
Silver+ from Seasonic, Superflower, Corsair, EVGA (aim for 75% of total PC power)
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>RECOMMENDED SSDs
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>MOTHERBOARD INFO:
AM4 B550/X570 - CPU-less BIOS flash feature advisable if pairing with Zen 3
https://www.overclock.net/threads/vrm-on-the-new-am4-motherboards.1624051/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yPS3hj_K7EPT4RBWCyjdKNP56pnwDz-IgBc0975-FUg

>RECOMMENDED MONITORS
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/
https://pcmonitors.info/
https://www.displayninja.com/buying-guide/

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fake leaks!
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I want cheap gpus!
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>>87471232
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>>87471232
>>87471247
it would be great if the price and performance are anywhere close to these fake charts
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>>87471238
they're here for AMD.
>but muh nvidia
they'll be at MSRP in July and August they'll start trending below MSRP
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>>87471232
>>87471247
i like how the AMD chart's performance is compared to AMD and NVIDIA but the NVIDIA chart's is only compared to NVIDIA.
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>>87471274
300€ is still too expensive I want cheaper!
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>>87471247
Imagine the transients
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So I'm looking to get a extra pcie connecter to go along with my supernova p3 powersupply. are p2 pcie cables compatible?
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>>87471315
they'll arrive for european retailers too or they'll have previous gen stock on shelves gathering dust
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>thinking about upgrading
>look at 6950 XT
>nearly triple the power consumption of my current card
I've wanted to have a high end card for a while now but that power drain is really putting me off. Is it worth it if I undervolt/underclock? Do you think it would be worth it for the 7000s?
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>>87471361
did you check usage at idle?
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>>87471361
>Is it worth it if I undervolt/underclock?
Yes
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>>87471294
no power consumption figures on the Nvidia one either.
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>>87471247
There’s no way I’m getting 4080 at launch right? The stock will fly away in seconds and sold on ebay for $1400? Should I just get 3080Ti instead? I feel like realistically it’s the only somewhat good deal I’ll get until 2023.
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>>87471361
whats your current card?
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just bought an AK620 to upgrade my cooler
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>>87471361
I think the 7000 series will be very worth it.
It seems that AMD will unironically be leading on architecture.\

I did see a 6900xt for like $720 though on newegg.
But if a 7800 is faster and uses less power for $650 you might regret it.

>>87471401
If you preorder, you should get one within 0-5 weeks after launch.
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>>87471361
bro you do realize that besides undervolting you can just tell the card to use less power directly with the power limit slider or morepowertool. The ppt value is the maximum watts the card is allowed to draw and you can adjust it.
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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VT4x9r
Asked a friend to help me to build a pc together and send me this, any thoughts? How can I make sure that if I wanna buy a part online that it's the same one listed? the naming is sometimes throwing off searches
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>>87471381
My card runs around 8W idle according to what I'm looking up and the 6950s go about 10W idle. Seems some estimates were wrong, rather than triple its a little over double my power consumption when in use for media/gaming
>>87471416
Should have mentioned it, sorry. 2060 Super. As I said above its closer to 2x power usage in reality with more research
>>87471433
Its good to hear optimism, I'm looking forward to it myself and I'd like to get one of the higher end ones but I just hope they don't run at like 500W. I might go ahead and get one and undervolt then
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>>87471479
Just hit auto undervolt in Radeon software. If that's not enough slide the power slider to the left instead of the right. guaranteed lower power and no crashes or instability.
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>>87471232
>7700/XT will be 8GB
Huh.
>4070 will be 12GB
So a reverse of the current issue where the 3070 is faster but struggles with some 1440p titles but come next gen, it'll be the opposite?
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>>87471479
7900XT is going to be 300w, this here is at this time bullshit >>87471232
at the moment the 7900XT is planned as the top card.
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>>87471433
>preorders
But nvidia doesn’t do these on FE cards. They just let scalpers snag everything because they don’t give a shit about customers.
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>>87471529
it's because AMD is going to be marketing the 7700XT as the entry level 1440p card, the 7800XT as the high fps 1440p card and the 7900XT as a high fps 4K card
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>>87471522
Unfortunately I'm a Linux fag, so its going to take a big more legwork to get this functioning. I'll do my own research on this but thanks anyways anon
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>>87471635
For Linux, use Morepowertool like >>87471453 said.

The PPT is the maximum watts the card is allowed to draw. If you reduce it from factory (325w) to something like 265w then the card's boost algorithm will adjust. It's similar to Ryzen Master where you can adjust PPT/TDC/EDC to tell the CPU to draw less clocks/power.
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>>87471529
7700xt might be 12GB or 16GB still. It might use a 64bit+64MB L3 chiplet, or it might use the larger die that the 7800 uses.
They could also fork/chain the bus to have double the memory chips per bus to have more memory. RX 570 4GB and RX 570 8GB are both the same 256bit bus.
7700 might be marketed as a 1080p card, too. Next year it should get price dropped and a 7700xt added for entry 1440p.
>>87471479
If there is a 14000+SP die, I think it'll be 425-475W.
But it'll still be over 50% higher perf/watt than the 3090 and you could undervolt and underclock it a little to be 2x and still way faster.
That's likely what I'd do. If AMD really releases a card that's 2x faster than the 3090, even if it's $1500 I'm going to buy it and drop it down to 225w or so and it'll still be 1.5x+ faster than a 3090.

>>87471472
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VT4x9r
Just get the 5600 and use the stock cooler. Gaming perf is within 5-6% the same as the 5800X while costing almost 200 euro less.

Maybe go AMD GPU so you can drop the PSU down to 650W. At least get the 3080 12GB if you have to get an overpriced Nvidia card.
I'd also go 2TB on the SSD. Saving on the CPU+Cooler gets you money for that.
Not an awful build. Biggest complaint would be the GPU and PSU. Especially with new GPUs coming in a few months, I wouldn't spend more than 550 euro on one now.

>>87471593
preorder from the retailer like newegg for AIB cards.
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>>87471453
>>87471656
Good to know thanks, I found another called CoreCtrl that seems to have more support but I'll try both once I get the card.
>>87471664
That much performance increase for that few wattage sounds great so I'll probably go with something similar
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>>87471393
a convenient omission
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>>87471664
>Just get the 5600 and use the stock cooler. Gaming perf is within 5-6% the same as the 5800X while costing almost 200 euro less.
>Maybe go AMD GPU so you can drop the PSU down to 650W. At least get the 3080 12GB if you have to get an overpriced Nvidia card.
>I'd also go 2TB on the SSD. Saving on the CPU+Cooler gets you money for that.
>Not an awful build. Biggest complaint would be the GPU and PSU. Especially with new GPUs coming in a few months, I wouldn't spend more than 550 euro on one now.
I forgot to mention that my main stuff i'd do is high end gaming, recording and editing footage.Working with video, sound and images p much but also want to play modern games for once and make it look good, and also be able to record footage of it.
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>>87471361
Just wait for next gen.
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Should I get the 5950X or wait for ryzen 7000?
I need the most cores I can get in a consumer motherboard with decent power usage. I don't care for P/E cores.
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>>87471756
alder lake is better in every way retard
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>>87471595
>1440p
>128bit memory bus
Nah, if those specs were real they'd be marketing the 7700 as their double-ultimate 1080pest gaming card ever.
This model# inflation is retarded. The 6600 should be called a 6500, the leaks of a "7700" should really be getting called a 7500, but since node advances are getting fewer and further between and moores law is dying, they have to do these marketing backflips.
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reposting from previous thread
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hHptW4
Is this good? my budget is only $1500-$1800, I want to save those $500-$800 for the monitor so I can only spend a thousand on the pc
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>>87471664
>preorder from the retailer like newegg for AIB cards.
But these are like $200 more than FE with worse cooling. Only ok offer compared to scalped cards on ebay.
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biostar-europe.com/app/de/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=1011
>Biostar B550MX/E PRO
Will it burn my CPU up? I just want a basic AM4 motherboard with wi-fi.
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>>87471865
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hHptW4
Seems fine for playing run of the mill capeshit games @ 1440p. Wouldn't want to throw a CPU intense workload at it. I doubt you need that cpu cooler for such a low end CPU but I have no idea what people are saying about stock intel coolers atm. I use to run a pentium4 with a stock cooler and it was fine.
>550W PSU
eh, seems kind of low for a 3060ti but its probably fine if its a good quality PSU, which i'm unsure about
>intel 670p ssd
QLC, 370 TBW, seems pretty budget. Hope you don't thrash C:\ with lots of writes. If you just play games it's probably fine.
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is it really necessary to spend this much on a PSU or can i get away with something cheaper? planning on a RTX 4080 so i think the 1000 watts is appropriate

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078T1XSJ1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1FF9ODJZIUKGX&psc=1
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>>87471930
>planning on a RTX 4080 so i think the 1000 watts is appropriate
What CPU will you be pairing it with? Cause 1000w may not be enough for a 4080 if you take transients into account
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>>87471959
a 12700k nothing too crazy i already have the CPU
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>>87471930
nah, ATX 3.0 next year anyways
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>>87471865
did you look into the cooler because I get the feeling you just grabbed the single cheapest thing
actually I get the same feeling about your ram
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>>87471988
so what should i do just wait? to be clear I'm not buying any card till at least tax season i think my 1070 will hold out till then
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any 500GB NVME that isn't dogshit compared to 1TB? even samsung seems to fuck them up
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>>87472005
just buy a 1 TB
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>>87472000
>so what should i do just wait?
Yes, at least till Nvidia officially announced the 4080s power usage
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>>87472016
alright then when i get my check later ill just enjoy it to myself then
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>>87472015
I'm not made of money.
What are real speeds of 500GB NVME after buffer is filled? Will it even be a real upgrade over my SATA SSD?
I'm mostly interested in getting office, pdf and dwg files to open faster (I open a lot of those and it's such an annoyance having to wait every time).
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>>87471846
holy shit anon btfo
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>>87472051
>im not made of money
>1 TB is like 100 dollars
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>>87472051
>buying nvme to open pdfs
LOL. Lmao, even.
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>>87471997
>did you look into the cooler because I get the feeling you just grabbed the single cheapest thing
>actually I get the same feeling about your ram
yes I'm a tech illiterate and this is my first build ever, that's why I'm asking for help. my total budget is $1800 with the monitor included so I could go for a cheaper monitor and more expensive parts so the performance doesn't suffer too much.
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>>87472083
for everything else sata ssd just werks
nvme is only useful for faster file opening or game loading
in software use it doesn't fucking matter
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>>87472080
good one is more like 120
but yeah, I'm finding it hard to convince myself to buy 1TB
will there be any difference in CAD files loading times?
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>pc is silent except for this GAY ass hard drive randomly buzzing
i want to kill myself
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>>87471865
>msi ventus 2x
lol
is this your first build? I'll never understand people who skimp and get the shittiest gpu model. noisy fans and who knows how long they will last too
like you're also paying extra for an aftermarket CPU cooler instead of just using the stock cooler aren't you? why are you buying a GPU that basically has the equivalent cooler quality of an intel stock cooler?

no idea why that 3060ti is so expensive but you can get a 6700XT nitro+ (the highest end model for 6700XT's) for like $510 ($550-$40 discount) on newegg.com right now and it'll even come with a 3-game bundle if you happen to like any of those games
Better raw performance than the 3060ti, just that FSR 2.0 support is still in its infancy compared to DLSS, raytracing is serviceable but how many games do you play with raytracing anyways

Check if you can still get the 5600x for $140 in your area from a microcenter, and then slap it on an $100 msi pro b550 mobo. Otherwise just get the.
You're really underestimating your budget, you have enough for a decent 1440p gaming and a decent 1440p monitor is only going to be $350-$500 not $500-$800
Putting an extra $200 in your PC will make it a longer way because you want a 5600 or 12400f at the minimum, 32GB RAM nowadays for the capacity and also cost-efficient performance boost (get 4x8GB sticks if you can't find a dual rank 2x16GB kit), and a better power supply.
that $200 extra you really need so you're not just listing by lowest to highest price and ending up with garbage which might force you to replace your entire PC in less than 2 years because of some reliability issue

like 3 years into my poorfag build previously, couldn't game anymore because the GPU kept crashing in demanding games. Never figured out if it was the shitty bronze PSU i skimped out on that was tripping, or if the msi budget GPU I had just wasn't stable anymore with the crappy factory OC it had or whatever else may have failed on the budget mobo etc
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>>87472134
no i dont think there will but if you are using the dreiuve to make money then spending a lot is always justified
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>>87472090
I'd play it safe & just get things with a lot of good reviews instead, yes you'll spend an extra bit but it's "safer"
usually buying whatever is the cheapest is bad for any part
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>>87472152
if I'm not going to be making money any faster then why spend more
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>>87472135
so get an SSD
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>>87472173
SSDs dont grow on trees fool
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>>87472160
could I get a list please? I'm really bad with this stuff so I wouldn't know what to get, if the price ends up going up to $2000 in total that would be fine.
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>>87472169
you wont be making money any faster going from a SATA to an NVME anyway
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>>87472147
>I'll never understand people who skimp and get the shittiest gpu model. noisy fans and who knows how long they will last too
because the market is absolutely fucked & you'll often be paying 50-100$ extra for the same shit just to have it be a bit more quiet.
you're smoking crack if you think I'm going to pay the ridiculous prices for "a better cooler" that often won't even be better
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>>87472147
>Otherwise just get the.
*just get the 12400f
why skimp out on $50 on the CPU. I'd sooner just scrap the cpu cooler entirely and get the 12400F for $30 more if you really can't squeeze out more money

black friday in july sales soon so you really don't need more than $400 for a decent 1440p 144hz+ monitor
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>>87472180
so put up with the buzzing harddrive
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>>87472202
no you have to hear me complain about it
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>>87472188
won't files open at least a bit faster?
some dwg are pretty big
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>>87471216

I just built a brand new rig, what do people do with their old rigs. I was thinking of turning it into an emulation machine even though my current is much more powerful
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>>87472213
i gave mine to my mother
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>>87472209
how big?
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>>87472188
so what, NVME is a total meme and doesn't make any difference?
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>>87472219
ones I work with I'd say ~50MB
or are opening times mostly due to processor having to process that data?
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>>87472187
just go to the parts list, set it to five stars (and maybe four stars) and scroll down until you see something at a reasonable price with a decent amount of reviews
Again do what you want but often you can get a far more popular product for like 10$ more & that might end up making a big difference when it comes to dealing with RMA or whatever
I'm wary of shit I don't recognize the name of cause if just one part fucks up it can be a huge hassle

I skimped out on my ram & when my system didn't boot it was a nightmare to try & figure out what the fuck went wrong
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>>87472222
it makes sense for gamers and people who open huge files like video files for editing
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>>87472195
but you'll pay extra for an aftermarket cooler?
in the same thread that often recommends a $66 fuma 2 cooler?
you won't pay extra for better temps so your GPU will last longer?
the differences can be as big as 20 fucking degrees at the same noise levels

noisy fans having to run at 2000+ RPM just to keep the GPU cool, you think those will stay reliable and you won't have to replace them after a few years?
I dunno man I only feel the need to upgrade every 4 to 6 years so I want my shit to last that long, maybe for someone who just consooms every couple years then you don't give a shit about reliability
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>>87472238
ya it wont make a lick of difference between a sata and an NVME SSD
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>>87471865
Add the fucking monitor to the list so you can budget the whole thing in one go
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>>87472251
>but you'll pay extra for an aftermarket cooler?
on ryzen? no
on intel? yes because I don't want my cpu to literally melt a hole through my case and consequently my floor

also your best example is a 5° difference? bro...
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>>87471595
8 isn't enough for 1440p going forward and they'd have to cut the price a lot to be entry level 1440p. The downgrade compared to the 6700XT would make it look especially bad. Those fake specs would be last gen stats in a next gen product, handing that tier to nvidia for free. Dead giveaway that they're fake.
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>>87471472
>>87471727
Get a capture card. It's superior to NVENC
This GPU is a good deal weaker, but you'll keep the capture card when you upgrade to a better GPU so you save money and get better quality and performance in the long run.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/JQN38r
This is what I'd go and manually OC the RAM to 3600 CL16 at a little higher voltage.

The 5600 is, again, largely the same as the 5800X for gaming. And the recording is done on the capture card not CPU.
I'm assuming you use Divinci's Resolve like any sane person for the video editing, and since it has hyrid encoding the losing 2 cores doesn't cost you much final encoding time.

The only other thing to consider is if you can wait for Zen4 CPUs and the new GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia.

>>87472222
NVME will make a huge difference if you play anything using Direct Storage such as some current gen console ports.
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>>87472195
>because the market is absolutely fucked
>if you think I'm going to pay the ridiculous prices for "a better cooler" that often won't even be better
You are saying this in the context of an MSI Ventus 3060ti for fucking $500

If you want to be a poorfag then you buy 6700XT at $350-$400 on sale, not pay $100 more for the literal bottom-end 3060ti a few months before a new generation
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>>87472242
I just went on pcpartpicker and selected the highest rated build within my budget, does this look good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/jb7TwP
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>>87471865
It's quite a nice build but keep in mind that with Nvidia GPU you need massively oversized PSU due to their transient power spikes.

>>87471930
The trick to save on PSU is to get an AMD GPU.
>>87471968
>a 12700k
Yeah you're actually an idiot and beyond help.

>>87472325
>https://pcpartpicker.com/b/jb7TwP
>$30 meme fans
>3700X
>the entire build actually
I think you're trolling. How do you downvote builds so they aren't high rated on pcpp
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>>87472360
>I think you're trolling
bro I have no idea of what I'm doing, I just want a build that would be $2000 in total that's all I'm asking for
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>>87472360
ya i wasn't going to go with an AMD CPU as they are slow but given you are an obvious AMD shill ill just discard your advice
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>>87472288
>also your best example is a 5° difference? bro...
i cant help you if you're illiterate or just plain retarded
you're welcome to drop down to a middle-end model too like a powercolor hellhound or sapphire pulse for AMD cards, those are typically the best value over paying a big premium for the best model
im just using the nitro+ as an example that you are being incredibly wasteful paying that much money for a fucking msi ventus 3060ti

frankly if you're a poorfag then you're better off with AMD just like it's always been, if a nitro+ is $510 then you can obviously get the cheaper models for much much cheaper. The MSI mech 2x has gone for sale at microcenter for $350 a couple weeks ago. Here in canada the gigabyte 6700XT is in stock and on sale for the equivalent of $420 but no one wants it so it'll probably drop under $400 very soon, probably in a week or two soon given canada computers typical patterns
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>>87472213
I was planning to give mine to my younger brother who has a shitter PC. Either that or a friend
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Reminder to get a 1.2kw psu if you're getting a 40 series card because transient spikes will fuck you over.
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>>87472325
just making sure but you do know that budget doesn't include the psu, gpu & case, which will likely be another ~550
honestly, your initial components weren't too bad. I would just have grabbed some more popular ram, cooler & maybe ssd.

Though I'm not sure why you'd spend 500$ or even 800$ on a monitor and then get a 12100f, are you a graphics designer or something? That's a pretty high price for a monitor

If you can spend the extra, consider something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/39QtW4
People always say futureproofing is a meme but imo it's worth adding a "minor" additional cost to have more wiggle room, like you will with the extra ram. That'll basically allow you to run whatever you want in the background as you run some horribly optimized shit & not have to worry about clearing ram or closing programs
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>>87472445
You should wait for an ATX 3.0 compliant PSU instead.
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>>87472375
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQN38r
and remove the capture card if you're not recording/streaming.

G27R is a fine monitor choice, though, I think.

>>87472378
Enjoy your slow housefire and being laughed at by people with a 5800X3D.
You'll be fine as long as you hide the fact that you bought alder lake so you don't get cyber bullied, though.

>>87472195
The person you replied to already gave an example of how a better cooled card isn't much more expensive.

>>87472445
Don't buy PSU now if getting Nvidia. Need to wait for the proprietary Nvidia approved P-Sync PSUs come out.
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>>87472458
And don't forget to build a new breaker in your home just for your GPU
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>>87472445
i mean its not like there is any alternatives a 3080 wont be fast enough for anything
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>>87472469
like i give a fuck about running things at 720p those CPU tests have always been stupid
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>>87472491
If you don't care about high fps, why aren't you just getting a 12400f or 5600?
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>>87472411
>>also your best example is a 5° difference? bro...
>i cant help you if you're illiterate or just plain retarded
comparing the cheap aftermarket cooler to a middle of the pack cooler
comparing stock to the very best cooler is fucking stupid as shit because
1) you prob can't even find that stock cooler
2) the very best will likely be another 200$

Looking at amazon, strix is 770$ (& out of stock), the cheapest are 470$, so it's actually 300$ more.
Would you rather have an asus 6700XT strix or a 6800xt
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>>87472500
i do care about high FPS just not running at stupidly low resolution and even then i still wont buy an AMD CPU i gave them a chance well before bulldozer they screwed it up so neve ever again
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>>87472469
>The person you replied to already gave an example of how a better cooled card isn't much more expensive.
he's talking about coolers though
comparing different cards is a whole other can of worms & often comes down to local pricing.
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>>87472519
The resolution is just to account for how a 3090 isn't powerful enough for a 5800x3d, retard.
With a 4090 and at 1080p, you'll see the same thing.

But if you want low fps and are getting slow gpu, yeah go ahead and waste money on a 12700k instead of just getting a 12400 that gets the same fps.

Cope.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vQgnGL
is this build good if I just switch the amd card for a 3060 ti?
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>>87472550
I'm getting a 4080 and i would never EVER do a poorfag thing like buy less than an i7
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>>87472565
why 5600 over 5600x or 5600g? I've seen almost noboby go for the base version?
2tb ssd is overkill imo, get 512-1tb & a 2-3tb HDD for cold storage
you'll likely never need fast access to that much shit
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Ripjaws RAM looks cheap as fuck but if it's 3200 cl16 it's fine right?

I could get a 32GB pair for 80€ and that doesn't sound too bad
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Roast my part list im building a pc for the first time
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CwJYW4

Gaming with a little productivity
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>>87472565
>Giving up SAM for free gains
I know AMD said it'll be an open standard eventually, but it doesn't seem like it'll be any time soon.
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Who WAITCHAD here
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>>87472599
iirc sam works on nvitia+intel too. its just called resizeable bar. i dunno if theres a huge difference between that vs sam tho. benchmarks usually ignore stuff like this.
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>Support for up to DDR5-5600 memory (JEDEC)
>20% Larger L3 cache (Up To 36 MB Unified)
>2x Larger L2 cache (Up To 32 MB)
>Support For AVX/AVX2 on E-Cores

AMD is so fucked when Raptor Lake is out. They have no answer for thi

>No Support For AVX-512
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
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so what should I go for then?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/39QtW4
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQN38r
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>>87472705
Ahem...

V-cache.
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>>87472705
if they supoorted avx-512 they'd burn your house down
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for hosting game servers (eg. minecraft) which would be better, 12700k or 12700?
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>>87472705
>falling for DDR5
wait for DDR6
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>>87471814
for poorfag asking for a $1500 build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGz2rD
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>>87471232
But will they have RAGE MODE?
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>>87472784
Thanks, you're a lifesaver bro
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>>87472784
>>87472797
Also, could I change the CPU for the 5600x or would it have compatibility issues?
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>>87471216
>Best Gaming: R7 5800X3D
Why is this recommended over the 12600k or kf which are ~$170-210 less expensive? I don't see any reason to pay more for a worse product.
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>>87472510
>Looking at amazon, strix is 770$ (& out of stock), the cheapest are 470$, so it's actually 300$ more.
>so it's actually 300$ more.
you are looking at some dated listing and saying it's 300$ more lmao what the fuck are you smokin
like shit, there's an asus tuf gaming 3060 on amazon.com right now but do you think i'm going to use that as an argument to get a 6600xt or 6700xt instead holy shit
you typically want to stick with sapphire and powercolor for AMD cards anyways, hence why i was talking about the nitro+ not the asus rog strix unicorn model that's always some overhyped overbuilt model regardless of whether it's amd or nvidia

but that's besides the point you clearly need to lurk more, don't (you) me again
lmao $800 budget for a 1440p monitor lol
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>>87472375
Wew lad. 3700X is outdated and only the AMD 5000's and Intel 12000's are relevant CPUs now. 500GB SSD is too small; get at least 1TB. Getting one big SSD makes more sense than getting a mere 2TB hard drive along with a small SSD; internal hard drives only make sense at larger sizes where SSDs aren't an option anymore. DDR4 RAM is cheap and with that budget you should have 32GB. Black noctua costs more than the regular one for no reason other than being black. A microATX case limits you to microATX motherboards, while a full ATX case lets you use any motherboard including future upgrades. RGB fans are retarded; basic Arctic fans are cheaper and better.

At least that build had an acceptable PSU. Corsair's a good brand and 750W is fine for midrange GPUs. Next gen's high end GPUs will use more wattage.

>>87472565
Given that the SSD is pcie4 and the motherboard's cheap with the discount, seems OK. The PSU isn't futureproof but can handle those parts.

>>87472583
5600 should be cheaper than 5600X and their performance is almost the same. 5600G is actually a completely different chip that only exists to be used for the iGPU. If you do need the iGPU it's excellent, but if you're just going to use a discrete graphics card you'll get significantly better performance from the unlettered 5600.
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>>87472818
yes you can get 5600X

But there's no point
Just enable PBO and you're 100MHz behind at worst
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>>87472822
because this board is full of AMD shill hypocrites
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>>87472822
They're equal in most titles
BUT
5800X3D is a monster in some engines
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>>87472784
Yeah that 6700XT Red Devil is an amazing value over getting Ventus garbage. Not like any 6700XT's that go on sale under $400 stay in stock for long so there's no point comparing to those.
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>>87472847
One last question, I bought a 3060 ti already, but this build will also work with it right? because both GPUs are almost the same
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>>87472596
>canadian
>RGB fans
lel faget. The rest sounds ok if your productivity requires the SSD space.
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>>87472908
Yes, that is fine.

I highly recommend to watch some "how to build a PC" videos before starting.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Wk2rD

need feedback
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>>87472822
>why is the fastest gaming cpu by a large margin recommended over a cheaper and slower midrange cpu?
Intel shills calling everybody poor all the time didn't age so well.
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>>87472818
I did that for my new build

I paid a bit extra for a 5600X and got a cheaper motherboard with no CPU-less flash that still had everything else I needed
So I saved money and also ended up with a higher-binned CPU too. Also if the promotion with MIcrocenter is still going on, the 5600X is straight up cheaper than a 5600
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I got my PC together and I'm in the BIOS now looking at some settings and I have a few questions:

First off, temps. BIOS says my CPU is 36° C, mobo is 27° C, and PCH is 41° C.
Are these normal for just sitting in BIOS fans spinning at about 1200 RPM with stock AMD cooler, and case open (haven't put the panels back on yet)? It's also about 21° in the room rn

Second: my memory is running at 2133 MH @ 1.200 V despite saying it supports 3200. I see in the BIOS i can change it to 3200 but I remember years ago when I messed with those kinds of settings my computer just kept crashing. Is there a guide or some tips to getting my ram up to speed?
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>>87473009
>Are these normal for just sitting in BIOS fans spinning
Yes, the BIOS doesn't have any power management enhancements like Windows does.
>my memory is running at 2133 MH @ 1.200 V despite saying it supports 3200
Enable XMP.
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>>87472631
nvidia's resizable BAR is basically nothing while benchmarks show SAM actually gives a noticeable (tiny but it's there) bump to fps in many games
the 5600x goes on sale/promos often enough that it can still be a better value than a 12400f, the 5600x isn't $300 anymore after all though it did take AMD a couple months staring at the 12400f before they realized they had to drop the price lol
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>>87472878
>5800X3D is a monster in some engines
Only at 1080p. Any of the titles where it has a significant lead get cut when you step up to 1440. Any leads it had disappear at 4k. I'm don't hate AMD, but I wouldn't pay $200 for 1-3 frames difference.
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>>87473009
>Are these normal for just sitting in BIOS fans spinning at about 1200 RPM with stock AMD cooler, and case open (haven't put the panels back on yet)
Sure, Zen 2 and 3 are hot at idle even on an NH-D15. The chiplets are too small to dissipate the heat effectively.
>I see in the BIOS i can change it to 3200 but I remember years ago when I messed with those kinds of settings my computer just kept crashing
XMP has been validated to work by the manufacturer, at least on some processors. It's almost guaranteed to work especially at 3200 MHz.
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Should I spring for the Fractal Torrent or cheap out and go with the Meshify 2?
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>>87473089
get a lian li case for a fraction of the cost
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>>87472957
Why 3600 / CL18? The 3200/CL16 is cheaper for the same true latency
And if you had to pick between latency vs bandwidth for gaming, always pick latency. That's why DDR5 doesn't give much of a boost to gaming if any at all, bandwidth is more for productivity and servers etc i don't really know beyond that since im only a gaymer

also you're already paying a premium for a white GPU, why not get a fancier looking case to match? I assume you picked the mobo to match the GPU too
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>>87473089
I'm thinking about getting the torrent or torrent compact. Guess I'm waiting until the length of the 4080 is released.

>>87473104
I probably would if any of them had solid sides. Fuck glass.
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>>87473136
>>87473104
this, windows are fucking gay as aids
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>>87473089
active exhaust will always be better than relying on passive exhaust, easier to pull hot air out than push into hot air

also that case has good temps at the cost of noise, dunno how close you place your tower to yourself but keep that in mind
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>>87472881
>just bought xfx qick for 499 yesterday
What the FUCK, even that dropped 10 bucks since then.
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>>87473068
Shit like MMOs get huge boosts even at 1440p.
There's quite a few sectors of gaming unexplored in the 3D cache space.
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>>87473189
I'll wait until Intel does it better thanks
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>>87473178
Return it if you can, it's dumb to buy a 6700XT above MSRP (which was bloated in the first place) nowadays when they go as cheap as $350 already even before the new generation comes out

The Red Devil is basically neck-to-neck with the Sapphire Nitro+, those two are the highest end cards you can get for AMD cards outside of special models like the Sapphire Toxic on halo products
The XFX equivalent would be the merc 319 not even the XFX dick so you paid more to get less, but I'd stay away from XFX regardless because of their shady behaviour. Still no idea if the recent shady shit they were busted in earlier this year was just some tax avoidance shit or really miner cards repackaged as new
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>>87472953
>I highly recommend to watch some "how to build a PC" videos before starting.
will do, thanks again
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>>87473234
It hasn't shipped yet, but is part of a three item amazon order. What happens if I cancel just the xfx card?
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>>87473189
yeah but FF14/WoW is already very playable on a potato anyways, and all the newer MMOs are more GPU intensive

5800X3D is a great CPU but still only if you got cash to burn and you already got a 6900XT/3080
Or wait for the 7800X3D which will be built on top of the beta tester feedback from the 5800X3D
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Is it worth buying a 6900 XT now?
For reference, in my country, it's costing the double of a RTX 3060
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Do you guys have a cleaning guide? I don't want to fuck up my computer by using something I shouldn't.
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>>87473318
What are you cleaning? Compressed air should be able to take care of any dust and isopropyl alcohol can get anything else.
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>>87473318
I'm so clumsy I dont risk cleaning anything. I just pay the guy from the shop down the street to do it for me
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>>87473318
Piss all over it, then drink the juices that come off, put the PC in rice for 2 weeks and it should be fine.
You can wash it with water if you want to, but make sure it's dasani at least.
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>>87473273
like not some promo bundle or anything? you can just cancel one item out of the three, I've done it before

regardless if it's too late to cancel (happened to me, requested to cancel but it ended up shipping anyways since the wagie at the warehouse prob got the label already or something), then you can easily return it as long as it's from amazon so no worries
Definitely get the red devil instead, not even a contest
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>>87473346
Yeah, no bundles. Is there an option to get the cash back as amazon credit? Never cancelled something from a pending order before. Would rather order the red devil immediately than wait up to 24 hours.
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>>87473175
I was going to buy an exhaust fan for the Torrent, and I plan on having it up on my desk, do you think those big 180mm fans will be that noisy? I'm willing to pay extra to keep my GPU cool but I don't want to be pissed off from constant fan noise.
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>>87473333
>What are you cleaning?
The fans mostly. They're starting to make more noise than usual.
>>87473334
No pc place near me right now unfortunately.
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>>87473371
>do you think those big 180mm fans will be that noisy?
they *can* be incredibly noisy, but that's irrelevant

the torrent performed excellently in *noise normalized* thermal tests
not just 100% fan tests
so, don't worry, regardless of how loud the fans can be, you can always change the curves and get great thermals with low noise

imo the biggest reason to avoid the torrent is that it can't support AIOs properly
which to me is actually a big problem
if you have such an expensive case, its likely you will also have a cpu that would benefit from an AIO
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>>87473364
I know that when I tried to return something, there is an option to return&exchange it for something else (it recommends stuff that are in your cart typically or whatever their algo recommends if your cart is empty, you can't directly search for one), rather than crediting back to your card/account
but for cancelling I don't remember. You might be able to but either way you need to cancel now since you're already getting buyer's remorse on it lmao

if you don't have amazon prime then cancellation confirmation should come back very fast since they prob havent started on it yet
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>>87472852
The significantly better 1% lows are more than enough to recommend the 5800x3D over the Intel chips
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>>87473418
was going to get a 5800x3d with a Scythe Fuma 2
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>>87473371
>do you think those big 180mm fans will be that noisy?
listen to some noise samples online

it's not just about the decibels itself, some people don't like the noise profile of larger fans, dunno about 180mm fans specifically but for noctua fans for example, some people choose to get A12x25 instead even if the A14 can fit. Though that's also more because the A12x25 is a more refined updated design compared to the dated A14 so eh
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>>87473316
gonna need another reference like how much in US dollars
$869.99 currently at microcenter, lowest i have seen it which is $130 under msrp making it the best purchase at the moment
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>>87473454
put the shoe on the other foot
what would you be saying then
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>>87473485
well... The 6900 XT is 1242 USD. But a RTX 3060 (LHR 12G) in this shithole country is 573 USD.
A RTX 3080 (10GB) is 1089 USD
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>>87473477
first of all, im not really a fan of the 5800x3d.
have you maxed out your gpu?
what about a monitor, are you good on that department?
maybe some better headphones/speakers?
honestly, almost anything is better value for money than the upgrade to a 5800x3d

and secondly, yea, i'd probably want an AIO for the x3d.
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>>87473486
Are you asking if I would recommend Intel chips? Because I would and I already do, I constantly tell people to buy 12th gen, especially the 12400 and the 12100 which are imo some of the best bang for your buck CPUs int he current market.
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>>87473515
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rPptW4

theres my list, trying to stay around ~3.3k, I'm the anon whose getting the car insurance pay out for 4k more than my car was worth
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>>87473507
honestly would just wait now since new series coming out in like 2-3 months
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>>87472565
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vQgnGL
>is this build good if I just switch the amd card for a 3060 ti?
No, you need a bigger PSU with Nvidia.
But otherwise yes.

Oh, and unless the memory is dual rank you should be using 4 sticks for the free 10% performance gains.

>>87472596
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CwJYW4
If your focus is on gaming, the 5800X3D is better.
And you don't need that level of cooler.

>>87472822
Because the 12600k isn't THE BEST, you moron. The 5800X3D is.

>>87472957
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Wk2rD
You'd save a good deal getting a 5600 since both the CPU and boards are cheaper.
The rest looks fine.

>>87473485
6900xt was $720 on newegg yesterday.
>>87473316
>>87473507
I'd say it's easily worth double a 3060 if you're actually going to make use of it, yeah.

>>87473570
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rPptW4
The 3080 is really overpriced. You can get a 6900XT for that or less.
>https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6900-xt-gv-r69xtgaming-oc-16gd/p/N82E16814932414?Item=N82E16814932414
$720 currently
>>87473371
Larger fans are quieter, not louder.
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>>87473570
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rPptW4
you know what, that's actually not bad
the 5800x3d will likely be wasted at 1440p
but if you mostly play non-AAA stuff, its probably worth

some more notes for your build, in order of confidence/importance:
-replace that dual monitor arm with 2 singles.
that way you'll be able to switch which panel is front and center according to usage
-replace those sata ssds with a known good model like the crucial mx500
-replace those speakers with edifiers r1280 or r1700.
also, consider a 3.1.2 soundbar, if it fits in the budget. they go really well in setups with monitor arms
-replace that samsung with a benq eq3270u, its a known good panel of similar specs

if the above stuff exceeds your budget, its 100% worth it to downgrade to 12700non-k/b660 to get the savings needed.
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>>87473070
I'm losing my mind here ;_;

So I enable D.O.C.P. (apparently the AMD system equivalent of XMP,) it automatically sets some stuff to 3200 and changes a few other things in the profile, and I save and reset, and then it gives me the error code for no memory detected before booting into safe mode with the default frequencies. I don't get what i'm doing wrong, according to all the shit i'm reading i'm doing what they say to do (even on the manufacturer's website although it's in chinglish thanks asus)
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>>87473659
>chinglish
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The retailer I'm buying my parts from says that if I want dual-rank 2x 16GB DDR4 3600 CL16 RAM, I need to get Windows 10 Pro instead of the Home edition, for "memory management". I got no clue what he could possibly mean by that. Any ideas?

Probably gonna go with someone else if it's literally just bullshit.
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>>87473677
its literally just bullshit, hes trying to rape you.
dude probably has a large nose and a habbit of rubbing his hands

and what the fuck are you doing buying windows in the first place?
go visit /fwt/, they'll hook you up
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asus tuf 3060ti, strix 3060ti or asus tuf 3070, which one would you guys pick?
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>>87473695
depends on prices, but if they are all equal, obv the 3070, duh
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>>87473695
The secret 3080 option.
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>>87473451
No amazon credit option, but going for it anyway.
>since you're already getting buyer's remorse on it lmao
Fuckin' 20 bucks in 24 hours, man...
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>>87473691
>dude probably has a large nose
What the fuck? How did you know?
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>>87473659
Do AMD boards have DOCP I and II like Intel's XMP I and II? II sets everything to stock settings and I does some weird optimization bullshit that may or may not cause instability like you're describing.
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>>87473717
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>>87473702
3070 is like 100 bucks more expensive in my country and strix is 50 bucks more expensive than 3060ti tuf
>>87473713
I don't really need a card that powerful
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>>87473677
Are you buying windows from them too? Don't do that. You're being scammed.

>>87473695
strix 3060ti if it's under $450.

>>87473718
just regular DOCP I think.
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>>87473734
>I don't really need a card that powerful
I don't care, you asked which I'd pick. But also, no reason not to get the 3070 if you're already considering it.
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>>87473734
>3070 is like 100 bucks more expensive in my country and strix is 50 bucks more expensive than 3060ti tuf
if you can afford the 3070, go with that
otherwise, the 3060ti tuf
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>>87473735
>Are you buying windows from them too?
Yeah, because I have a company discount from them for everything.
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>>87473612
>iTs tHeoRETicAlLy bEtTer
I never said it is the best. Both are currently gpu bound. With the 40 series and new AMD gpus that may change. By the time the x3d could see any possible benefit, there will also be new and better cpus.
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>>87473659
What slots do you have the memory in? It might not work properly if you've got the memory in the wrong slots.
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>>87473746
yeah im kind of a retard
>>87473735
the cheapest I can get strix for is 700 bucks
>>87473748
thx
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>>87473776
AH right that's another thing. You should read your manual and look at the slots your memory should be in for dual channel configs.
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>>87471361
Undervolting is a meme
If mah boi is hungreh he gotsta eat
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>>87473628
>eq3270u
that Benq monitor is a VA monitor though when the Samsung is UHD, I was going to get those edifiers at first actually but I don't think I need that great of speakers and I can't really blast them in an apartment, good point on the two single monitor arns and it doesn't coast much more, and I don't want to go intel all I've heard for the last few years are bad things and I want the x3d for future proofing and emulation purposes, also aren't sound bars kind of shitty? Those two sata drives are going into RAID 0 but I'll consider shelling out for the crucial
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>>87473756
Your company discount doesn't make windows $7 from them like you can get off grey market, does it?
Don't waste money.

>>87473757
It's better when you add a next gen GPU. Current gen GPUs are too slow for how fast the 5800X3D is.
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never, EVER buy a VA panel if you want to game with freesync or gsync.
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>>87473848
Windows is free, the fuck you wasting $7 for?
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>>87471361
Why is this ugly guy in so many tv shows
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Worth the buy?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qtz2rD

Not sure which GPU to go with, or which power supply. Any suggestions? Not really doing much gaming wise, mostly music and video production
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>>87473860
ashkshually it's not free anymore but you can easily activate witth microsoft activation scripts on github
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>>87473874
I didn't pay anything and it's activated, that is free.
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>>87473068
>cpu isnt faster when a gpu bottleneck is put upon it therefore its not faster
the type of shit niggas cope with these days
>>87473612
>The 5800X3D is.
funny how THE best still loses by hundreds of fps in lows in certain titles and still has chiplet related fps drops and stutters compared to honorable pure white aryan monolithic cpu design in multiplayer titles
Sad!
the best I could say is it trades blows with a 12900k depending on the game. AMD still cant cope with eSport titles with cpus or gpus.
Sad!
>>87473859
>VA
enjoy your smear, bruh.
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>>87473897
>smear
i bought a VA panel and the black smear almost made me want to vomit
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>>87473869
yes when its a new card
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>>87473874
>>87473886
but then you won't get the Ativar o Windows meme
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>>87473886
because windows 10 was free at some point and that free activation carries over until you change your motherboard
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>>87473869
I'd get the powercolor one that's like $20 cheaper.

>>87473872
rx 6600 or rtx 3050
But seriously wait for zen4. Supposed to be 25%+ improvement in multicore.
At the very least, there should be sales on black friday to get the 5950x for cheaper.
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What's a good air compressor/blower for pc cleaning?
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>>87473929
It's a new PC entirely that I built myself. I didn't pay for anything and windows is now active, it's free.
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>>87473776
>>87473785
it's in dual channel (a1 and b1), it runs fine at the default 2133

curiously, after rebooting into safe mode but keeping the overclock profile, it runs at 2133 mhz according to the bios and cpuz in windows but at 1.35 V instead of the default 1.2. idk if this means anything but I just don't understand what i'm doing wrong
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>>87473956
nah bro i don't think so
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>>87473845
>that Benq monitor is a VA monitor though when the Samsung is UHD
both the benq and the samsung are 32/4k/60hz VA panels
but the benq is known good, it was reviewed by rtings with great results, which is why i recommended it
incidentally, this sort of panel is only good if you plan to use it to watch movies/shows/etc
otherwise you'd be better off with a 27/4k/60hz ips as a secondary, for better text quality

>I was going to get those edifiers at first actually but I don't think I need that great of speakers and I can't really blast them in an apartment
i didn't recommend them because they're loud (they're not, really)
i recommended them because they're good

>also aren't sound bars kind of shitty?
they are shitty value for money compared to good bookshelf spearkers and a proper amp/receiver
the benefit for a setup like yours, with monitor arms, is that you can plop it at the back of your desk, where the monitor stands would be
so it will consume minimal space and look really clean
compared to the edifiers, its going to be more expensive, but if you go with 3.1.2 you will get better spatial sound due to more channels

> good point on the two single monitor arns and it doesn't coast much more
i went with 2x arctic x-3d arms, cost 60 yuroshekels each
if you're a burger, i think amazon basics has a decent single monitor arm that may be cheaper, for you

>and I don't want to go intel all I've heard for the last few years are bad things and I want the x3d for future proofing and emulation purposes
intel 12th gen is actually great
the 12700non-k i recommended will be cheaper than the 5800x3d, lose in gaming perf and win in multicore perf
again, your build is at the overall grade where dropping money on a fast cpu makes some sense
but not if it comes at the cost of other more important upgrades
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>>87473908
Come home white man
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>>87473957
just change the voltage to 1.35 and the speed to 3200 in bios manually and see what happens
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>>87473848
>It's better when you add a next gen GPU
>reading comprehension/10
Raptor, Zen 4, 40 series, and RDNA 3 all are set to release late 2022. By the time x3d could get a gpu it can fully utilize, it will already be outdated.

>>87473897
You may need to practice reading also. I didn't say the x3d is slower than the 12600. For a 3080/3090 build the 126 or 127 would be better.
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>>87473957
Switch them over to a2/b2 and try it, worst case you're back where you started.
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>>87473935
Thanks, anon. But I just moved to the other side of the country and don't have a pc out here at all so I can't really wait till then. Any particular version of the 3050? there's like 100
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Am I a broscience retard or is a small case with a large number of fans better than a large case with the same number of fans?
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>>87473908
>>87473897
);
sizable rival to the Gigabyte Aorus FV43U when? oled need not apply i run my monitor almost 24/7 with static images.
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>>87474043
Just get a QDLED TV bro
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>>87473942
xpower airrow pro.
It's on a big discount once or twice a year.

>>87473986
Lots of people want to build now and not need to upgrade their CPU whenever they upgrade their GPU.
And Rocket Lake won't beat 5800X3D lmao. Intel can't pull 20-50% gains out their ass from a REFRESH.

>>87474004
>Any particular version of the 3050? there's like 100
Doesn't really matter for a 130W TDP card like that. Whatever is cheapest and has the display outputs that you want. The coolers and ports is the only major differences between them.

>>87474022
Some small cases have extremely good airlfow.
I have the Silverstone FT-02 which is kind of like a long windtunnel. Air comes up through the bottom side and bottom and up out the top. If you find some old reviews, it's noted for having good airflow while also being pretty quiet since the front and one side is closed off.

I paid a pretty silly amount for it since even in 2017 it was discontinued and there was nothing else equivalent made at the time.
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someone explain to me how riser cables don't hinder pcie performance
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>>87474043
>sizable rival to the Gigabyte Aorus FV43U when?
since a long time ago, but they're TVs
you should be able to find several 43inch 4k/120hz TVs, both VA and IPS
if a newer samsung model, probably worth to gamble on VA, they will likely have the same panel tech as the g7/g9 for decent response times
and also a quantum dot layer for decent viewing angles
otherwise, ips for safety.

you can also get miniled 4k/120hz, but you'll have to go 50 or 55inches
there is only 1 43incher miniled, a samsung (qn90 or something like that)

anyways, tldr, get a TV
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>>87473972
do you think I should lose the electrostatic wrist strap? everyone always gives me shit for it when I post my list, I just want don't want to fry anything
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>>87474043
it works unless you do tryhard gaming on it and can handle the smear
>>87474058
>>87474093
all lcd tvs have pwm dimming and flicker kek
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>>87473869
Get a 6800XT. Graphics cards get outdated really fast even for computer parts. For example the 1080ti, which punches into modern low-mid weight classes for gaming, is still a fucking slug next to a 3090ti. The 1080ti is only like 5 years old. In fact the 2080ti came out a year later and shit on it.

For reference, the 1080ti was one of the top cards in 2017 (if not #1) and now performs on par with a $400 rx 6600. Will it play modern games at 1080p at 60fps? Yeah sure. But 4k and above are way out of its class. Even 1440p can be a struggle on some games at high or ultra.

I give it 5 years before 1080p is phased out completely on some AAA titles. Save the headache and get a high end card so it'll last well into inflation and tech advancements.
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>>87474106
>he's buying an electrostatic wrist strap
just touch a radiator, bro
also avoid moonwalking on your carpet while wearing wool socks
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>>87473972
also what about these cheaper edifiers? the R980T
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>>87474078
No shit. Rocket lake was 11th gen. If someone is is building for a 4000/rdna3, then it would be better to wait 3-4 months for the new cpus.
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>>87474106
Just don't build standing on a carpet with cotton clothing, and if you feel extra scare just ground yourself prior to handling components
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>>87474106
ESD is a myth unless yu're me. I killed my motherboard with it once.
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>>87473869
>>87474122
Also OP pic related.
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>>87474111
>all lcd tvs have pwm dimming and flicker kek
not all
and those that do usually flicker at 960hz or so, you won't be able to see it.

in fact sometimes you can't even measure it
see the rtings review for the qn85a, one of the TVs they recommend for monitor usage
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>>87474058
i has no idea TVs were so based. i was soured thinking most didnt have proper chroma subsampling but im looking now and a lot do.
>>87474093
i'm taking a look now. saw the QN85A but will look at the qn90 if thats the correct model number as well as other types you mention.

for some reason it being labeled a TV coupled with the fact that it's almost $1000 makes me hesitant but im assuming theres no downside to going TV as monitor if it gets recommended by RTINGS and others.
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>>87474111
>all lcd tvs have pwm dimming and flicker kek

samefag as >>87474152
also check the sony x80j review for an example of a purely flicker free TV.
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>>87474122
>give it 5 years before 1080p is phased out completely on some AAA titles.
lmao wat. u cant phase out a fucking resolution this isnt console building general

steam deck can play AAA games because it plays on 800p
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>>87474159
>oupled with the fact that it's almost $1000
well, the fv43 is similarly priced...

>im assuming theres no downside to going TV as monitor if it gets recommended by RTINGS and others
there are some:
-you will need to use the remove to turn it on/off, it won't do that automatically like a monitor when you turn your pc on/off
imo not a biggie.
-most LCD TVs will be BGR subpixel layout, which negatively affects text quality. do note, the rtings guide for TVs recommended as monitors does mention at least one panel that is RGB.
but, then again, all 43inch monitors are also BGR, soo....
anyways, if text quality is a priority, you should be getting a 27/4k ips anyway
(or a 55inch/8k TV, but that's another large discussion, lemme know if you are fucking rich and we'll talk.)
-most TVs will have a glossy coating, whereas monitors will have matte
this is both a negative and a positive thing. the glossy layer will be worse for reflections, but better for picture quality
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>>87474137
>static buildup
>cotton
it does not
>>87474152
>and those that do usually flicker at 960hz or so, you won't be able to see it.
except that fine print is you change to any usable pc mode and it switches and starts to flicker at 120hz like some samsung crap, kek
any tv other than oled is doa from my pov because you dont even get any benefits for dealing with all the shit
but ymmv
>>87474160
cool, one
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>>87474087
Copper can transmit data very fast
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>>87474238
then why did we spend over 10 years worrying about case clearance with long gpus?
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>>87474250
I don't understand
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>>87474250
If i had to guess.
Main market for PC are premade.
Risers can be a hassle when transporting and delivering the machines.
It's also more time spent building, more parts to store and assemble and the rist that a technician fucks up
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>>87474206
You absolutely can faggot.
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>>87474222
>at least one panel that is RGB.
>but, then again, all 43inch monitors are also BGR, soo....
>anyways, if text quality is a priority, you should be getting a 27/4k ips anyway
(or a 55inch/8k TV, but that's another large discussion, lemme know if you are fucking rich and we'll talk.)
lmao what is this? ive gotta look deeper into BGR/RGB because i am NOT rich. i was debating whether or not i should just buy a monitor now though before building my PC this fall and the FV43U was a contender despite its shortcomings (ghosting, weirdness around borders or something like that)
should i just go FV43U over TV then if i cant afford RGB subpixel on a TV? will things be any sifferent this fall/early next year?
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How much would you pay for a used Rx570 8gb ?
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>>87474206
>>87474315
I miss 1920x1600 lads...
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>>87474344
im retarded. the monitor is also bgr. okay. i have to wait 30 secs to reply hopefully no one repliesssssssssssssssss
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>>87473985
>>87473992
no luck with either
i'm googling around and saw this, this is such bullshit if i have to give up, but what the fuck do i do
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>>87474356
Where?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tQYnGL
r8 this random build i was thinking of doing. aesthetics are irrelevant to me
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>>87474374
France
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>>87474315
>>87474206
>>87474122
1080p wont be phased out, not enough bandwidth to push high hz
1440p wont have as much hz, 4k absolutely wont already capped out, 8k forget about it

1080p chads will rise to the high heavens of eternal hz glory and highres cucks will eat the leftovers, 4k cucks will be at 144hz, 8k cucks will cope with 60hz. DSC is a shit tech also.

dp 2.0 does not have enough bandwidth.

1080p is eternal. mark my words inshallah
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whats the best place to buy a windows 11 key? i dont wanna get scammed on some sketchy website
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>>87474382
Autours de 140€ j'imagine, tu peux trouver des 6500xt neuves pour 200€. Alors une CG de 4-5 ans tu peux tenter par la.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B6MBrD

already posted but I did some tweaking, what would you do to drop this $100?
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>>87474419
nigga just google search microsoft activation scripts and go to the github link
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Ryzen 5 5600X
RTX 3070
AM4 AND /w M.2.
32 GB RAM (2x16GB) DDR4 3600Mhz
1GB SSD + 2GB HDD
600W Bronzie PSU
>1460€ with delivery

is it a steal or is it a rip off? I'm from Eastern Europe so can't import cheap parts like Westerners do
maybe motherboard is second-hand and PSU is bit weak
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>>87474419
Literally go to >>87464659 and check the OP, or go to >Windows questions >>>/g/fwt AND READ THE OP
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>>87474456
A gold gpu from seasonic and a new mobo would be great. It's otherwise a good price considering your location.
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>>87474425
C'est vrai que j'ai fait une fixette sur la 570 mais le marché me paraît raisonnable pour d'autres cartes. Je vais regarder ça, merci
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>>87474368
What CPU/RAM/mobo are you using? Ryzen 3rd gen and newer really should have no issue running XMP at 3200 MHz, that seems like a very rare occurrence.
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>>87474344
>mao what is this? ive gotta look deeper into BGR/RGB because i am NOT rich
in all modern displays, a pixel is not really one singular pixel
in most monitors its usually 3 subpixels, a red, a green, and a blue one, in that order, all acting together to simulate a single pixel capable of producing all colors
operating systems and apps take advantage of knowing the subpixel layout to increase the effective resolution of text
those techniques are called subpixel hinting.

if you've had something called a cleartype wizard show up in your windows install and ask personal questions about what text looks nicer, A or B, well, that's what that was.
but when the subpixel layout is not RGB, subpixel hinting can backfire.
you can set cleartype to work with BGR layouts, but not all apps will follow that setting (e.g. chrome doesn't)

so, tldr, for best text quality, you want RGB layouts. BGR can be dealt with in some apps, but not all, by properly changing the subpixel hinting settings.
OLEDs use even weirded layouts (WRGB or triangular RGB) which cannot be fixed and will always display inferior text quality

>will things be any sifferent this fall/early next year?
i think we're waiting on at least one more oled panel, but you mentioned those are out for you

just so we're clear, what exactly are your use cases? is gaming involved or not? because if not, you have way more options
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>>87474489
On Amazon some portuguese retailer sells XFX AMD GPUs for close to MSRP, i believe 6500xt for 200€, 6600 for 330€, 6600xt for 390€, 6700xt for 550€.
Not the best brand, but deffinitely the best price, especially that 6600xt.
You can find other 6500xt for around 200, the only card that is close to msrp here...
Je parle anglais pour pas me faire ban, bon shopping.
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>>87474507
yeah, it's older
R5 1600, asus b-350f gaming, g.skill trident z 3200 (non-rgb not that that matters)
the newest thing is the gpu (rx 6700xt), but i'm trying to get everything else up to speed and after updating the bios i thought the issue i had 5 years ago would actually be fixed

messing with it manually, i got it up to 3000mhz and the timings it detected automatically when loading the docp profile, then it fails at 3133 so i guess it's not getting any faster than 3000 unless i change other settings but i'm really out of my element here. i guess it's still better than just being stuck at the default ddr4 speeds and timings, but i'm looking at the box right now clear as day 3200 written on it, shows 3200 in cpu-z

I guess that's why manufacturers abandoned docp and just cough up for the XMP licensing or whatever. Thanks for the help and all though. Idk if someone more knowledgeable than me could do anything differently or if this is just the limit of this part combo.
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>>87474518
thanks for explaining subpixel layout to me like im 5. it was honestly very helpful. previously i had no idea that the colors were sorta squished together. i thought it was one dot that lit up red, green, or, blue. i have used cleartype but had no idea that not all applications respond to that adjustment.

my use cases are gaming (rhythm games at 120fps which is literally notes scrolling like the UFO) and simply browsing the net and watching TV programs.
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>>87474610
>R5 1600, asus b-350f gaming, g.skill trident z 3200
That explains it. First gen Ryzen has a weak memory controller.
>messing with it manually, i got it up to 3000mhz and the timings it detected automatically when loading the docp profile
3000 is already pretty good for a 1600 + B350 so I would stick with that. Stability test it to be sure.
>I guess that's why manufacturers abandoned docp and just cough up for the XMP licensing or whatever
XMP is technically an Intel standard but it's also used on AMD (DOCP is XMP with a different name). However, back when first gen Ryzen launched manufacturers only validated the RAM on Intel platforms. You had to buy "AMD-compatible" memory to have a chance of XMP working out of the box. Now they test both but only for the newer Ryzen chips.
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I know absolutely nothing about PC building. Nothing at all. However, I want to play Sim City 5, Anno 1800, Civ VI, and maybe one other city builder. Nothing extravagant, that's it. I have no interest in playing anything else for the time being.

Can I build on a MicroATX motherboard/case?

Intel Core i5-12400 Intel Stock Cooler Included

TeamGroup T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16GB 2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200

Inland Professional 512GB SSD 3D TLC NAND SATA 3.0 6 GBps

MSI H510M PRO Intel LGA 1200 microATX Motherboard

PowerSpec 500W Power Supply 80 Plus Certified

PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 6400 ITX Single Fan 4GB GDDR6 PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card

PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 6400 ITX Single Fan 4GB GDDR6 PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card

$642

Thoughts?
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>>87474613
>thanks for explaining subpixel layout to me like im 5.
my pleasure, fren

what about acceptable sizes and budgets?
is above $1k acceptable?
what about 55 inches instead of 43?
keep in mind, a 43incher is basically 4x21.5inch panels glued together in a 2x2 grid
a 55incher is the same but with 27inch panels
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>>87474672
what is your maximum budget?
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>>87474667
thanks for the info, it's nice to know

one question: is there a good way to check the stability? Other than just using it until it crashes?
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Is my 750 watts psu enough for a 6900xt + 3900x? Kind of the deciding factor whether I'll buy a 6900xt or a 6700xt.
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>>87474672
>2 gpus (?)
>noname PSU
>stock cooler
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>>87474768
This is a good guide.
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md#memory-testing-software

The memory sticks should easily be able to handle your current settings so you only need to make sure the CPU can keep up. Maybe try increasing the SoC voltage and see if you can reach 3200 MHz (1.0-1.2 V should be a safe range for first gen).
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>>87474779
It's limit for a 6900xt. 850w would be better.
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>>87474727
i mean the $700 for the FV43U was already a stretch desu but i would be willing to save longer for bigger and better. so to that end, 55 is acceptable. i just hope its not more than 1.5x700 ($1050). to expand on this sentiment i also dont want the a subpar 43" panel if its crap. i see it as almost a waste of money to compromise so much IF the compromises arent worth saving the 500$. i may be kind of a somewhat complicated purchaser... sorry.

i basically want a big eff-off panel but not sooooo expensive for just a flex. something reasonably sensible.
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>>87474842
not much more than $1050*
a few hundred more is probably the max ($1350)
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>>87474613
and some panels have even split subpixels in two parts or 3 parts or 4 to fuck picture quality even more
VA Panels kek
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>>87474839
Thanks, thought so. Should I get a new psu + 6900xt over a 6700xt? Price would be at least 110% more, got a 1440p monitor.
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>>87474895
Depends on what you are playing. Tarkov? Even the 6900xt isn't enough.
CS and other gay esports games? 6700xt is fine.
Single player games? 6700xt will let you reach 60fps easily at that resolution.

How much are you willing to spend is up to you.
If i were you i'd use the 6700xt as a stopgap, get a 4080 or 7800xt or above and sell the previous card.
A 6900xt would lose more value over time.
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>>87474737
$750

>>87474791
Typo, I was told for low performance I5 then the stock cooler is fine, thats why it comes in the box. But an I7 doesn't come with a cooler because its expected you will buy secondary at that level. Got all my info from this video 2:35-3:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwyNpQ_T578&t=122s
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>>87474944
Tarkov and Cyberpunk are the new Crysis.
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>>87474959
Can't wait for Stalker 2 kek.
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>>87474944
>6700xt as a stopgap
Think I'm gonna do this. I don't really play any modern games lol. But my old gtx 970 is slowly dying, so I need a new one. If Stalker 2 ever comes out and turns out to be good I guess I'll buy a better graphics card then.
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>>87474959
>>87474973
Can't Cyberpunk hit a high fps @ 1080p with a 3090?
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>>87474842
right. so, my suggestions, in ascending order of price:

sony x80j or x80k, 43inch/4k/120hz IPS, RGB layout:
this will give acceptable text quality in all cases
but it compromises the HDR perf and overall picture quality
it has no miniLED backlight, so you're basically stuck with a large IPS panel
cheapest option of the bunch

sony x85j or x85k, 43inch/4k/120hz VA, BGR layout:
similarly priced to the above, this has the opposite compromises
better picture quality due to higher VA contrast, but worse text due to BGR layout
still no miniLED, so not really HDR capable

both panels should be below $1k, close to 800 shekels or so

samsung QN85, 55/4k/120hz, IPS, RGB layout:
this is a miniLED panel, so despite being an IPS it will give great picture quality and real HDR capabilities
more expensive tho
main drawback is the 55inch size
should be around $1k
if you can stomach the size, imo its worth the extra cost
do keep in mind that text quality is not just about subpixel layout, its also ppi(pixels per inch), or, more accuratelly, ppd(pixels per degree)
so, while the RGB layout on this panel will gain you some text quality vs an equivalent size BGR, it will still produce worse text than a 43inch panel with higher pixel density.

samsung QN90B, 43/4k/144hz VA, BGR layout:
this is the most expensive of the bunch, around $1.5k in my region
is a VA miniled, likely the best picture quality of the bunch

some other notes:
-there is a program you can get called BetterClearTypeTuner
it allows you to easily change the setting from RGB to BGR without having to deal with the setup wizard
-for a large panel like those, you will need tiling software like FancyZones.
-also consider the combination of a LG c1/c2 oled (slightly less than $1k) and a secondary LCD panel (e.g. your existing monitor) mounted to the side of your desk for shitposting/productivity tasks
the oled panel will be better than anything above for gaming and media
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>>87473612
>No, you need a bigger PSU with Nvidia.
>But otherwise yes.
what power supply should I get then?
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>>87474004
dont bother with the 3050
RX6600 or 3060 at minimum even if not gonna game especially with current prices
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>>87471216
sup fags
i keep seeing these 2070 cards for 350-450$, are they worth buying as a poorfag option?
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>>87474895
>1440p
Yeah you'll need as much card as you can get. The 6700xt is not a 1440p ultra card, ignore the memes, mine gets placed in 1440p mid or high on every game.

>>87474944
See above. Mine dips below 60fps frequently at 1440p ultra. Is what it is, but if you want a 1440p card that will actually last and play most dogshit poorly optimized games the 6800xt or above is pretty much the entry level.

Tarkov is fun, don't get me wrong, but I have to play it on shit settings. My previous card (6600) had to play on low 1080 only on tarkov lmao.
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>>87475128
no
good poorfag options are the 6600xt and 3060ti, for 1080p and 1440p respectively
ideally waitfag some more until the major miner selloff starts
right now you'd still be paying msrp in the US or more than msrp in the EU
for 2 year old cards, lol
that is not the poorfag way.
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https://wccftech.com/beware-several-used-nvidia-geforce-rtx-30-graphics-cards-with-defective-memory-modules-being-sold-after-being-abused-in-crypto-mining/


OH NYO
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>>87475128
Pay no higher than $300 for a 2070
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>>87475152
>3060ti
in my cunt they cost like 600$ at lowest, even 6700xts are cheaper
the 6600xt is worth considering though
>>87475159
i guess im gonna waaaaait until the miners cuck the scaplers even moar
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>>87475154
>Considering just how bad these graphics cards have been abused in mining operations, it looks like at some point, two of the 10 GDDR6X memory modules gave away and ended up functioning at all. This resulted in the card failing to post. But there's already a bypass that allows users to continue using their graphics cards even if a few memory modules have died. This is achieved through the memory shielding method which is very popular in crypto mining and miners can continue using the cards despite some modules having died out.
>The same process not only works for the GeForce RTX 3080 graphics card but almost any other graphics card and considering that RTX 3080 isn't even the most popular card for mining, there could be several used cards in the reseller market right now

This is why you don't buy a mining GPU. Don't reward these faggots. Let them go bankrupt their dead GPUs.
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>>87475063
I just searched the recommended amount of watts for a 3060 ti and it says that 600W is fine, the PSU listed in the build has 650W, so why are people saying I need more for the 3060 ti?
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>>87471216
So tell me about the AI inside the Zen chips. Was it a meme all along?
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Do I need an r7 or r9 if I want to run things at 120 fps?
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Which GPU manufacturers should I avoid for a 3080 ti?
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>>87475217
transient memes
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>>87475216
Why is this faggot shilling to buy them then?
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>>87475259
if you see someone begging you to buy a mining gpu, chances are they are selling a gpu themselves.
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>>87475254
all of them are terrible. do your research for which models to avoid from each company.
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Stop buying brand new you stupid fucking consumerist gen-zombies. They're just selling you second hand bullshit anyway, you dumbasses. Got you are so easy to manipulate into everything.
Now dish out that 50$ a month for access to my porn Patreon you stupid fag. I know you'll do it so stop fighting it.
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>>87475254
Just buy whichever one you think looks the best.
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>>87475032
thanks so much for the roundup! I'm glad to see it wasn't too much more than the Gigabyte in cases.
i really want the X80J to be good but im reading that it has motionflow 240 but native 60hz?
https://electronics.sony.com/tv-video/televisions/all-tvs/p/kd43x80j
even this page on the QN95 only reports a motionrate 240 spec but no refresh rate that i at least could ctrl+F for...
https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/samsung-neo-qled-4k/55-qn85a-neo-qled-4k-smart-tv-2021-qn55qn85aafxza/
i dunno man the Gigabyte is looking attractive despite being BGR... at least it guarantees monitor use and 144Hz

i dont mean to dismiss your suggestions. i think there are so many models that maybe im looking at the wrong ones or not finding the specification listed properly somewhere since you report these panels were both 120hz... but i just wanted to verify the refresh rates and couldnt.

in any case. i am going to keep these panels in mind in the next coming months when i make my final decision. i think i just didnt find the proper panel spec pages but my attention span has run out and i dont feel like looking anymore. i will in the future,.
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msi ventus 3080 12GB is down to $799 now. Tempting but I'm going to try my luck at getting a next gen card. If you're gonna pay for top of the line performance might as well be actually getting top of the line performance.
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>>87474816
I ran this for an hour and it kept going so i shut it off, but i guess if it didn't crash then it was successful?

Thanks anon
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>>87474672
You should just get a cpu that has a powerful integrated GPU like a 5700G and skip the graphics card.
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remember when mITX motherboards were getting popular and mobo manufacturers were struggling to fit everything right so they squished the cpu socket next to the pcie slot and sometimes used SODIMM memory slots.

lol
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>>87475591
>only unused space on the pcb is to make room for cooler mounting
my god
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>>87474122
1080p will never go away because of laptops. Any laptop screen is perfectly sized for 1080p and going beyond that just makes it worse.
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>>87475440
>X80J to be good but im reading that it has motionflow 240 but native 60hz?
yes, that's my bad, its only 60hz
i got confused between it and its x85j brother, which does have 120hz

>QN95
i dont think that one exists
the qn85 certainly has 120hz support tho:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn85a-qled
as does then qn90b:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn90b-qled

>i dunno man the Gigabyte is looking attractive despite being BGR... at least it guarantees monitor use and 144Hz
the big problem with the fv43 is not BGR
its viewing angles, loss of details on the sides, and response times
you should check out the rtings and hardwareunboxed reviews of it
the x85j is imo a better pick, despite losing 24hz and having to use a remote.

also, i would again suggest that you consider the dual panel solution, with an oled and your existing monitor on the side (or, you know, a new monitor if you wanna spend the $)
this will have the fewest compromises of all, and also give the best gaming and media experience of all
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>>87475486
Yeah, stability testing for one hour is good enough. It's not like you're doing extreme overclocking.
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>>87475673
ah yes, those shortcomings (picture quality of sides, response times) were exactly why i wanted contenders to the Gigabyte. it seemed too good to be true and it falls short of what it promises. its like its fast but actually slow? i dunno lol i have to have read the review recently.

i really want to want the X85J but im reading this on rtings:
>The Sony X85J supports most common resolutions, except 1440p, which requires a forced resolution. Chroma 4:4:4 signals are displayed properly in most supported resolutions, except for 4k @ 120Hz, which is important for clear text from a PC.
>it can't display 4k @ 120Hz 4:4:4 signals properly
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x85j
hmm so its either shell out the 1200 shekels for the samsung or save 500 on the gigabyte. somewhat hard choice given the options. OR just see those 4k shortcomings on the X85J as similar to the Gigabyte's and still consider it, especially because the x85j is cheaper at the 43" size.


but in any case im glad i now have options where previously i wasnt considering any TVs. so many thanks to you in providing me with options!

the dual monitor setup has been taken into account but honestly i cant see living my life having to eco-mode my usage of a panel like that.
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>>87475430
I'm angry and I don't understand why
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>>87476093
Imagine jumping on a stack of those haha.
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>>87475430
>>87476093
I want to see a GPU market crash -50% even -70% below MSRP as a revenge after ordinary people were getting jewed.
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>>87475430
>>87476093
you're angry because NVIDIA gaslit you into believing there was a component shortage
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>>87475928
>it can't display 4k @ 120Hz 4:4:4 signals properly
wow, i had not seen that
yea, that's definitely an issue
i mean, you could do 4:4:4 in 60hz for text usage and 4:4:2 in 120hz for games/media (full chroma only really matters for text and other desktop uses)
but damn, that sucks.

>hmm so its either shell out the 1200 shekels for the samsung or save 500 on the gigabyte
1200? which one?
mind you, there are 4 samsung panels: qn85a, qn85b, qn90a, qn90b
rtings recommends only the qn85a, which for me costs 770 yuroshekels for the 55inch model
the qn85b is not recommended, probably due to worse reflection handling and higher price
the qn90a is also not recommended, as its more expensive than the qn85 while also losing the RGB layout
then, rtings mentions the qn90q, which is the expensive one at 1.5k yuroshekels, my prices
this one i think is worth considering because its currently the only 43inch/4k/12hz miniLED
the qn85a is 55inch
and the FV43 is not miniLED so no real HDR capabilities (and also has other issues)

so, for my prices, i would say:
1.5k for 43inch qn90b is best, if you can afford it
770 for 55inch qn85a is 100% worth it over 770 for FV43, assuming you can handle the 55inch size
again, for my prices, if the qn85a is 1200 i'd probably not go for it either
but if you are seeing 1200 for a qn85, its probably the qn85b, not the qn85a

in any case i'd avoid the fv43 due to all the issues
if none of the TVs fit your budget, perhaps you should also consider going down to a 32inch/4k/144hz monitor, eg. the gigabyte m32u
this will be a massive compromise in total real-estate and image quality vs the miniLED TVs
but it won't have the issues of the FV43, or the need to use a remote like the TVs.

>he dual monitor setup has been taken into account but honestly i cant see living my life having to eco-mode my usage of a panel like that
understandable. i assure you the only reason oleds are considered are because they are amazing for gaming and media.
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>>87476137
I mean...
there was.

A shortage of components for all the excess GPUs they were selling to miners
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Corsair 4000d or Fractal Meshify 2?
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I'm pretty new to NVME drives, I got a MSI MPG X570 with an 1TB 980 stick, I'm thinking of buying a 2TB one but I dont know if I can just take out the 1TB card and replace it with the 2TB one, and move the 1TB to the second NVME slot, and if I have to buy a heatsink for it.

Or if I should get those 980 2TB that come with heatsink and put it on slot 2 instead.
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I haven't really kept up with stuff. When are the new cards supposed to drop?

Since the prices are crashing I was thinking about upgrading from my RX580 to a 6800 or so. Or maybe I should wait™ on the 7000 series?
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My monitor is going black screen for a few seconds every day.
Is my video card dying, I hope it can wait for the release of 7700xt before dying on me.
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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YjkhjZ

Can anyone recommend a case for this build? I only kind of know what I'm doing with cpus and gpus when it comes to everything else I'm pretty much clueless as to what's good outside of making sure it's compatible with everything else
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literally 2 months after purchase and my MX Master 3 is already unclicking
>this one will be different
one hundred dollar mouse everyone
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>>87476093
where do they even get the money to buy all these cards
>>87476137
this shit right here
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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RvNxFT/lian-li-o11-air-mini-atx-mid-tower-case-o11amx

Is this case any good?
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excuse me, its not 1200. its $1100 for the qn95a but maybe that's because yuroshekels are worth more than dollars? picrel.

but now i have the most serious contenders to the gigabyte. maybe prices over here will reflect your yuroshekel prices soon. it seems to me that it's Gigabyte or Sony under $800 (both with heavy compromises), or Samsung panels with the Qn85a 55" at 1100 or qn90b 43" for 1100.
since theyre the same price, would you take the hit in screen real estate? the qn85a is 55" and the qn90b is 43" for the same price.

as far as downsizing goes i would either go all cheap or nothing. like it would have to be a 1080p monitor just to tide me over on my build until i can afford the qn95a.
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>>87476546
i messed up a lot of my naming of the panels in typing my post but the picture tells no lies. its the qn85a EIGHTY-FIVE-A that is 1100.
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I need your help to understand picrelated, /pcbg/
do a noob a favor and tell me wtf pls
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>>87476523

I never seem to have a functional wheel button on any of my mice.

I think at this point I just need a mouse with a dedicated physical button for Mouse Button 3, and a wheel that only rolls.

IF that even fucking exists.
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>>87474779
>>87476385
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YjkhjZ
Are you sure 500GB is enough? And that you want to spend that much with new stuff coming soon?
I guess for AUD the GPU seems kinda cheap at least for a 6900xt.
As far as case, just get what you like the most that isn't a hotbox.
>>87476545
It's alright yeah as long as your fans are quiet.

>>87476586
>beta testing ddr5 on intel is slower
gee how surprising.
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>>87476385
>willing to spend 2500 american dollars but not willing to do a cursory amount of internet research into a case you plan to look at daily for months if not years
I don't understand you people. I read product reviews for fun even while not building. Look at some cases and pick one you like with the features you want.
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>>87476523
Speaking about mice, I recommend this $10 beast to any poorfag like me.
RBG is annoying, additional buttons aren't programmable, but still, good bang for a buck.
(her name is logic-lm-star-one, there is also a light one version, picrelated is actually pretty heavy)
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>>87476627
australian dollars, excuse me
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>>87476604
is ddr5 much better on amd? genuine question
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>>87476546
hmm yea your prices seem quite different than mine
mind you, im not going through samsung, but a local e-shop aggregator
perhaps try doing the same
does pcpartpicker even do TVs?

for your prices, only the samsung qn85a makes sense
and imo even at that price it does make sense over the fv43. even ignoring the fv43s issues, the samsung is miniLED, which is a big deal.

also, note again that its the qn90b that is desirable (because 43 inches), not the qn90a.
aka that $4.5k one, lol (1.5k for me, no idea how that makes sense...)

and yea, for monitor usage, 43 is already large, and 55inches is the absolute limit of what i'd dare recommend

>as far as downsizing goes i would either go all cheap or nothing. like it would have to be a 1080p monitor just to tide me over on my build until i can afford the qn95a.
if you do end up going this route, i'd suggest 27/1440p/144hz, its currently the value sweetspot due to the massive competition in the segment
budget panels start at 300, good ones are at 400ish.

oh, one last thing, just for the lolz
what's the price for the qn700 (55inch/8k)?
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>>87476297
nvidia 4000 cards in October. Maybe September. Maybe November. Maybe August?
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>>87476639
DDR5 isn't available on AMD yet, only 5800X3D with V-Cache
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>>87476751
thanks anon
looks like I'm gonna be fine with my 2x8gb of 3200MHz ram, for now at least
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>>87476767
>for now at least
You'll be fine with it for the next like 4-5 years, minimum. The differences between ddr4 an ddr5 are almost zero
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>>87476604
i only listed that ssd but i also have an old 120gb ssd and 3 or 4 old hdds

>>87476627
idk pc reviews are all just he-said she-said so I trust random autists on here more than any youtuber or tech blogger

>pick one you like with the features you want
I'm sure if I did that I'd get a dozen reasons why it's garbage
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>>87476627
>>87476802
Also you're correct about it being years my current case is from my first pc in fucking 2011 lol
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>>87476781
damn, thanks again
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saphire nitro+ or powercooler fighter?
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>>87476908
Sapphire
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>>87476908
Case length an issue?
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>>87476973
no
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>>87476998
Red Devil is the same price as the Fighter at the moment on US Amazon.
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Should I go to the based store tomorrow and buy this https://www.microcenter.com/product/648424/dell-alienware-aurora-ryzen-edition-r10-gaming-pc

or spend several hundred dollars more, time waiting, time spent trying to build the thing (I have no idea what I'm doing) and
make a custom with a 5800x3d and 6950xt?



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