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>Keyboard recommendation template
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Where to buy keyboards
https://www.mechmap.tech/themap
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com
https://www.mechgroupbuys.com/keyboards
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

>News:
Keychron Q6 is released.
Keychron Q5 is released.
Everglide SK68 is released.

No, Ducky, Steelseries, Razer, Corsair, etc. is not good. You are paying for the brand.

Switches have evolved from the standard red/brown/blue. Use the template and wait for anons to recommend better alternatives.

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>>87456493
>budget
$150 absolute max. Poor exchange rate pls understand.
>continent
Middle east. I can pay $10 or so import stuff directly from USA via courier.
>switch type
Best one for my budget, low activation pressure and good life. Sounds is irrelevant as I'm not an office worker. BOX royal or Cherry black seems fine for me.
>layout
European QWERTY, they be bußin (bussin)
>form factor
100% and beyond, volume pot would be nice.
>light
Yes, whatever.
>previous
All laptop keyboars with numpad.
>purpose
Gaming and typing.
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any keycap sets for the moonlander yet?
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>>87456493
PSA: You don't *need* anything other than a Q5 or Q6.
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>>87456712
Wtf is european qwerty? ISO?
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>>87456493
>Budget
$50-$100
>Location
North America
>Preferred switch type
Would like to try either Cherry or Gateron linears like blacks/reds
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL, Full-Sized, or 1800 Compact(liked having a numpad for games like Arma, really like F keys being aligned with 1,2,3,4,etc.)
>Backlight
Don't like RGB much but generally indifferent to backlighting
>Previous/current keyboards
Currently use a Ducky Shine 3 with browns that I don't like much
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>>87456803
I ain't no wizard Anon, but I prefer a big enter, I guess that makes it ISO, and having é on the key that's under ESC makes it European maybe. Vague? Yes. Did I got my point across? Hope so.
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Should I wait for the K6 pro or should I just buy another 65%? I'm not spending anything above like 120-130 dollars.
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>>87456818
Fl980 is going for $84 on june 27. With tax it might be just enough in your budget.
>>87456712
Check out keychron k4 on this list, there's several iso versions. Idk how bad shipping is going to be at middle east though, so maybe look for a local retailer if it's too much.
https://www.keychron.com/collections/keychron-iso-jis-keyboard-collection
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>>87456940
>Fl980 is going for $84 on june 27
where is this? drop?
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>>87457081
Aliexpress
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrkplzs
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What is the difference between VIA and QMK? Which do I put on a Keychron Q1, VIA?

Is there any mods the version 2 of the Q1 needs?

Also how the hell do you remove the stock spacebar stabilizers
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>>87457181
Via is based off of qmk for easier use. You can use both at the same time, as in flash a hex file using qmk then use via to change key map on the fly instead of reflashing. Q1 is probably preflashed (if it types, it's flashed), so just open VIA and it will recognize it.
I dont use q1 so idk about rest, just youtube it imo.
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>>87457339
Thanks.
I've been youtube hunting but people skip over the part where they replace the stabs...
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>budget
None, but cheaper is better of course
>location
USA
>Switch type
Again not sure, I have a tenkeyless with brown switches now. They are good but I want something quieter. Looking into silent
>layout
split keyboard for muh ergonomics
>purpose
Programming

Basically, I want someone to tell me that I shouldn't get the ultimate hacking keyboard
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>>87457765
It says on the site...
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>>87457998
yea I figured, too bad its for the non hotswappable version
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>>87457181
Keychron has a guide on their site that explains how to dismantle the keyboard. If VIA doesn't recognize your board, download the JSON from Keychron's website.
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d-did i do good anons??
https://www.drevo.net/calibur-v2-te
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>>87457456
Disassemble down to the plate/PCB, then take the plate off of the PCB so that the stabs are fully exposed. Then flip the PCB over and unscrew the screws that secure the stabs to the board.
Also, if you're replacing the stabs, make sure to use the screws that came with your stabs, as I found that the Keychron-provided stabs used screws that were slightly too large for my Durock stabs.
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>>87458057
Wait what. It says hotswap though.
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>>87456493
pprevious thread didnt even reach bump limit, jackass
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>>87458259
eat a dick fag, do it right next time
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>>87458112
>then take the plate off of the PCB so that the stabs are fully exposed
Wait is this possible without unscrewing the screws first? I didn't apply a lot of force but they seem stuck together, the PCB and plate.
>>87458112
>make sure to use the screws that came with your stabs
Shit, I don't think my stabs have any screws? They were those panda ones. I just plugged them into my old board.
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>>87458299
>he thinks i'm the OP of this thread
lol
lmao
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>>87458301
Yes, there are screws on the back securing the plate to the pcb. If your stabs "plug in", they're plate-mount stabs and are not compatible with the Q1, which uses PCB-mount stabs.
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Thoughts on Dygma defy? I need an ortho-friendly keyboard and it looks like it has all the bells and whistles.
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>>87458544
dygmaballs
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>>87458435
Well shit, they are. A-Are the stock stabs decent?
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>>87458611
My Q5's 2U stabs were just fine. YMMV on the spacebar stab.
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>>87458193
Only 6 keys are hot-swappable. It's some of the mod keys, not even all of them. I think it's the CTRLs, the Alts, Enter and Backspace.
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>>87459233
Chink advertising at its finest
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>>87459233
O wow, wtf i've read anons saying they switched entire board with new switches and stuff, so it might be a recent change? As alternatives, there's epomaker th98 (closest to fl980) , akko 3098, tom980, and epomaker th96 in kickstarter which is gasket but goes for $130.
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>>87456493
I'm in europe where can I buy the cheapest lube? Krytox 205g0 etc.
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>>87459443
There is apparently a hotswappable and a (mostly) soldered version. The hotswap has a silicone pad instead of PCB foam, the soldered version has foam. Probably the soldered version isn't moving so well.
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>>87459540
Europeans don't need lube.
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>>87459443
there are 3 version of the fl980, wired hot swappable, wired only 6 keys hot swapopable and wireless hotswappable
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I love my cheapo keyboard, anyone cheapo keyboard representing?
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>>87459857
Cheap mechs are excellent bang for buck these days, Redragon is legitimately good if you don't care about Outemu hotswap
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>>87456493
HKGaming fucked with Vortex again - got their instagram pages shut down
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>>87459798
They do some stupid shit where the wired version uses inferior foam to the wireless version.
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To the anon who asked in the previous thread about where to get the C1 for $50. Amazon has it on sale with a coupon right now but its the lower end model. There's few different "C1" models with RGB and/or swappable switch types and shit.
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>>87459875
Had a Reddragon that I bought during 4 black fridays ago. Overall it's okay for a $30 KB it does feel a bit cheap at times and the sound could be better. The RGB was also kinda garbage and doesn't have a very wide spectrum of colors, now a days I don't even bother with RGB though. I guess I just wanted a keyboard with insulation.
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>budget
irrelevant
>continent
Yurop, Switzerland
>switch type
Buckling Spring. MX Blue. MX Green. idgaf, i like Buckling Spring the most, but unicomp is fucking garbage. Tactile and clicky.
>layout
ANSI
>form factor
TKL. I need cursor keys to jump the cursor around in editors. Fuck numpads tho.
>light
i dont care.
>previous
Model M, Ducky One 2 mini (MX blue), Cherry G80 (MX clears, they fucking suck), HyperX FPS Pro (MX red, i hate those switches)
>purpose
Programming and gaming.

It has to have a detachable cable. If the cable is not detachable, I'm not interested. Ideally also Bluetooth as well, like those keychron keyboards.


The biggest catch is my country, Switzerland, though. We're not in the EU and ordering from abroad is a pain.
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>Budget
100-200€
>Location (continent at least)
Germany
>Preferred switch type
Something not too loud but that has tactile feedback.
The linear mushy mx red silents aren't my cup of tea.
>Layout
Don't care, QWERTY/ANSI or QWERTZ
>Form factor
I need to save desk space and hot swap computers for home office, so 60% I guess with detachable cable.
>Backlight
Sure, don't care if static or RGB.
>Previous/current keyboards

I'd appreciate the help /g/entoomen.
Corsair... Whatever with silent reds. Too big and bulky.
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>force mod done
>tempest mod done
>switches installed
>keycaps arriving on friday
My body is ready.

I wonder how much I can sell my old board for. YC66+Boba U4T+Holy Panda Stabs+GMK PBT Clones. Like 100€?
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>>87460297
keychron k8 pro
>>87460385
keychron q2
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>>87458544
Seems cool but not released and will be $450+ with all features
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>>87460385
I am in a similar situation and from what I see this seems to be the best option right now

https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/qk65r2

>>87460456
thought about keychron q2 as well but QK65 is superior in almost every way, right?
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>>87456493
I hate the sound of this so much, it makes my stomach churn. How do I get the literal inverse of this?
Why is it always women who go for this disgusting noise?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/v56618/best_sounding_gmmk_pro/
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>>87459875
You have Gazzew and Akko CS for outemu hotswap, which are already really good and honestly way more than what outemu boards deserve.

The only thing you'll be missing out on are clicky switches. There's the Outemu Phoenix, but it has a click jacket mechanism, and those aren't really worth considering in 2022. I just wish Gazzew or Akko makes a clicky based on the snap spring mechanism.
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>>87460695
Loud, deep, clicky switches in a big hollow plastic chassis.
Basically get a Model M.
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>>87460736
Box jades or box navies in a Keychron K4 or other big hollow plastic board is a good acoustic substitute for beamsprings or buckling springs
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>>87460695
>>87460736
There's also the reproduction Model F if you want something of higher quality or smaller layouts.

That, or just wire a solenoid to your keyboard.
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>>87459857
i got a bm65 taht im lubing the switches for right now
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>>87460784
>wire a solenoid to your keyboard
the clunker is such a tempting kit, add some box navies and I could be the bane of my entire apartment building
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>>87460736
The Model M sounds a bit too scratchy to my ear, but honestly if I'm learning anything pretty much all the sound tests I listen to make me feel legitimately queasy and I can't figure out why Anon, I enjoy clicking the majority of the switches I have on sample at home, but listening to it? Makes me unironically feel sick.
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>>87459857
I have a royal kludge rk96 with akko lavander purples. The stock stabs are excellent and are almost perfect lubbed.
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>>87459857
My fellow Akko brother. it's good to see someone with a great product. I am curious to know what switches you are using? The keycaps really are striking with the gold accents. Truly a man of good taste. Keep on representing, my fellow Akko brother.
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>>87460996
Maybe because buckling springs produce a pinging noise after actuation. Try to look up "floss mod" and see if the sound tests are more pleasing to you.
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>>87460996
Then maybe silent switches are more your thing, they turn typing into soft thumping sounds.
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>>87461051
Their jelly pink switches.
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How shitty is the GMMK 2 compared to the Keychron q2?
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>>87458544
dygmaballs, thumbclutter
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>>87459857
akko uses the most embarrassing font in the world. those gigantic letters look so fucking shit. looks like something that was made specifically for my grandpa
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>>87456493
listen anons, I have owned many gamershit RGB mechanical keyboards over the last few years, and every single one has had issues. Shitty keycaps breaking, switches failing, etc.
2 years ago I bought a Logitech K845 (picrel) and it's been working pretty well until recently. Sometimes the "s" key will work, sometimes it won't. I need some rec's, either on how to fix the stupid fucking key, or on a keyboard that will never break.

>budget
cheapest possible. $90-100 max
>continent
NA
>switch type
Doesn't matter, I need something that will NEVER BREAK or have problems. No Cherry MX.
>layout
QWERTY (I use Colemak, so it doesn't matter)
>form factor
Numpad preferred, if not, TKL is fine
>light
no
>previous
Razer Blackwidow 2016, Corsair K65, Logitech K845
oldest -> newest
>purpose
Gaming and typing.

TLDR: I need either advice to fix one of my switches, or a mech keyboard that will NEVER break. I want to be able to pass the fucking thing down to my grandkids.
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>>87460526
>wanted a PTR91 A3R
>waited for them to go on sale
>PTR finally ran out of the HK handguards
>now the handguard sells for $300 on Ebay
>replaced with ugly ass Magpul looking ones
Well fuck me.
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>>87461858
I just went through that with Marcolmar's CETME handguards, they are out now. I snoozed and I losed :(
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>>87461685
Open your keyboard, desolder that switch, put in a new one.
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>>87461685
>want an heirloom quality anything
>budget $90-$100
NGMI.
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>>87462104
I was being sarcastic. Honestly I just want a board that will last 5 years instead of the typical 2 years. I know they exist because I've had $30 membrane keyboards last 6 years before I replaced them. They probably would've lasted longer if I had kept them.
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>>87461685
Logitech K120
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>>87460456
>keychron q2
Would come out above 200€ with caps and switches.
Any cheaper alternatives?
Thanks, still.
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>>87458544
quite based but u can make ur own for cheaper using zmk. check out ben vallack's channel on how he made his
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>>87462288
Shut the fuck up Ben.
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>>87460526
how are u so consistent in these threads goddamn

and are u a photographer
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>>87462305
Autism and nope
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>>87462424
What lighting situation do you have to make things pop so much?
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>>87462444
External flash bounced off the ceiling. It overwhelms local light letting you dictate direction, intensity and adjust either it or exposure settings to your liking
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>>87462466
Ohh okay I guess I should buy one of them flash attachments, I just love natural light and long exposures so much. BTW I have the same gun cheers.
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>>87461300
As a QMK board? S'fine, it works. As a 65% board depends whether you want a metal hull + high profile or plastic hull/metal faceplate + floating switches.
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>>87461061
So weirdly I think it's the tone/pitch of it that's throwing me off with the floss mod it runs into that discomfort zone, it feels weird to say outloud but on a video like this:
https://youtu.be/DEL_qLD3crQ

I legitimately prefer the clonky sound of £10 dell keyboards (the clacky ones not pure membrane) like the L100 or the Lenovo Preferred Pro II.
>>87461114
So whilst I like the Boba U4s I prefer the feedback and noise of the Boba U4T I guess my aim is to be able to build a keyboard that feels good and mostly doesn't sound gross, wet or "clicky" like in the video above and the Reddit one I linked earlier.
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>>87463597
Meant to say the preferred pro 1
https://youtu.be/3vL-wtSXJ1E
What sort of sound profile would you even describe this as if I'm trying to find something similar?
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>>87463720
>>87463597
Promise I'll stop posting after this but I'm finding Topre keyboards sounding as close to what I actually really like listening to. That old clonky sort of oomph is sheer sex.
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do 65% boards with a full size right shift exist
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>>87463768
Topre's only drawback is that it's completely incompatible with custom boards.
That doesn't mean there's no modding scene for them though, on the contrary. You've got custom cases, controllers, and even aftermarket domes.
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>>87456894
All I want right now is the Everest Media Dock but, its own separate thing. Something with media controls and a screen.
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>>87463939
build a tidbit, or any one of the many macro pads with a knob and OLED
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>>87464072
yeah, the issue is that the OLED screens most commonly used are far too small. That one seems to be about adequate though, hadn't seen a Tidbit in this configuration
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Briefly tried these lubed zakus with some MT3 caps and I'm pretty impressed by them. No ping at all that I can detect even though I didn't lube the springs or contact leaves, very smooth & sounds nice too. Likely gonna use them for one of my own boards but picrel is gonna go up for sale once I've soldered it together.
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>>87464097
there are quite a few configurations supported with the tidbit, that or maybe something like the adafruit macropad rp2040 which supports a 128x64 oled
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I don't understand the appeal of keyboards, can someone explain it to me, you pay potentially hundreds just to have marginally nicer clicks? This shit seems even stupider than collecting sneakers
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>>87464654
think I'll be checking if I can wire it up with two led matrixes and encoder on 4
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>>87464367
Did you modify the column spacing for the pinky column (qaz in qwerty)?
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>>87464755
Nope, only column offset I changed was for the inner columns.
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>>87463720
Just go for that one, anon. I don't think any mechanical keyboard, even vintage ones, that can sound like that. The closest one would be a really cheap mechanical keyboard with an MX Brown clone on it, but it's not worth it at all.
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>>87464747
the only thing that wasn't obvious to me is make sure to select different addresses for each matrix with the jumpers on the backpack, everything else on mine has worked with minimal fuss
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>>87464720
I was like you once, a skeptic. I always wondered why keyboard enthusiasts were so obsessed with having so many keyboards of different variety. Then I stumbled across the Akko ACR61. It came with the Akko CS Jelly White switches, which to be honest, were not for me. With linear switches, I found myself having a bit too much accidental keypresses compared to my old membrane board. But that is okay, because the board itself was hotswap, and having ordered and tried multiple switches from Akko, I realized that I have a tactile switch preference. The one I enjoyed the most was the Akko CS Jelly Purple switches. It truly feels AMAZING, and with it having a boxed stem, I can rest assure that the switch will maintain its quality for years to come. I can understand where you are coming from, keyboards are just tools to be used, but that doesn't mean you just have to use boring office keyboards. It doesn't have to be that way, and I finally see where these keyboard enthusiasts are coming from. Akko offers a variety of keyboards, switches and keycaps to use; and at a fair price to boot. The PBT keycaps are of excellent quality, resistant to shine, in-stock and is pretty much better than having to wait 2 years for lousy quality GMK group buys.
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>>87465805
>resistant to shine
stopped reading here lol lmao
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i need a new board and i used Gateron G Pro White for the last one and i wonder if there are any similar switches or ones that are better then those? or are there any other new low actuation linear switches?
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>>87461677
It's like you have no idea what those keys are supposed to look like.
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whats the lowest profile switch I can get? Like if I were to DIY a laptop with mech keyboard, so something short and with lesser travel.
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>>87462466
where did you get all of your money?
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>>87466332
The moon
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>>87465805
I like this type of trolling
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I was eying tue Keychron q2 but I can't justify the 200+ euros I'd have to shell out. I don't really care about gasket mounting (yet anyway), how much worse would a keychron k6 be?
I'd get a hot swappable Aluminium one.
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Keebs
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Looking at getting these clones next
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>>87467729
I need more sets with center-post stepped caps lock
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>>87466721
imo considering the shipping fee, abs keycaps that most of keychron keyboards come with and the extra you need to pay for certain basic features like rgb lights, keychron only worth getting if you get the k8 pro (one of the best for the buck keyboards out there) or one of the Q series keyboards. also dont get any of the "aluminium" versions from keychron, only the Q series keyboards are actually aluminium, the rest are just plastic with some aluminium piece attached to it, totally waste of money. since you want 65% and dont care about qmk and not gonna get the q2, I suggest you look into some of fl esports 65% keyboards on aliexpress like the F12, FL680, CMK68
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>>87467821
Shipping would be free, so I'd pay about 120 for the k6 hotswap instead of 210 for the q2.
Thanks for the aluminium advice, I'll check out the boards you mentioned.
Are Epomaker any decent?
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>>87468135
the shipping is "free" in your case because they already added it to the price, nah epomaker is shit
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>>87458619
Fuck I put it together now and the spacebar sounds vastly different from everything else and quite rattly. I already tempest moded so I don't really feel like buying new stabs and taking everything apart again... maybe I'll get used to it. You really don't mind it?
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Use normal ESC or a cross like this instead?
Not sure what to do with the circles desu.
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>>87468344
Are they also R4?
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>>87468034
What's the middle one?
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>>87466332
He has a lot of guns. What do you think he does with them? Stop bad people with guns? Nigger please...
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>>87468409
FEKER IK75
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>>87468462
It looks really nice, but I've heard that it feels cheap. Can you confirm that? Because such a nice layout for that price would be amazing.
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>>87468415
I don't see how gunning down schoolchildren would get him very much money...
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>>87468498
Protip: you don't need to gun down anyone. Just threaten to gun down adults unless they give you money
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>>87468397
I think they're the same length as the number keys next to them yeah
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>>87468636
Use the O as 0? I used my novelty keycaps for F5 and the volume control buttons.
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>>87468476
nah, its pretty good actually
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>>87468135
>Are Epomaker any decent?
Epomaker themselves seem to have "whatever" keyboards. The Skyloong keyboards they sell like GK96S are great, and the SK21 numpad was one of the first hotswap numpads on the off-the-shelf market. Note that Epomaker may or may not announce their partnership with Skyloong on some of their products.
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>>87456493
are the Keychron keycaps in the OP any good?
been thinking about getting these
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>>87468807
Does the battery add a lot of height? Especially at the bottom/where the space bar is
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>>87468894
Can't get 'em without buying a Q series board right now, they have a store page for them on their own but they've been sold out for months. I've heard good things about them but never tried them.
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Ok I got an epic programmable keyboard. What shortcuts do I use?

I find jumping between lines while writing code a bit annoying since I stretch to the arrow keys. Maybe I'll put a layer of them on the main keys somewhere. Also the home and end keys for getting to the start and end of lines. But beyond that I'm not sure yet.
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>>87468921
the battery add height mostly on the top
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How do people type at 200+wpm? I literally can't move my hands that fast on a keyboard.

I have no trouble playing the piano fairly fast, but I'm stuck at 100wpm when typing, that's even weirder.
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>>87469354
sounds like you want vim keybinds in your editor
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thoughts on how high this shit is gonna get? absolute degeneracy about to happen in the last few seconds when the bidding ends.
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>>87469354
>anon finds out that programmable keyboards are a solution looking for a problem
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>>87469749
predicting it scrapes the $250 mark
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>>87469776
Especially as you go higher on the keyboard size spectrum. Get to 96% or full-size and all you've really got to program are macros, RGB and media keys, and media keys might already be on a default layer.
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>>87469864
90% of what people use QMK for is to compensate for the lack of physical keys.

Besides, while there is no denying the usefulness of a programmable firmware, there is only so much you can do at that level. If you want more fine-tuned keybindings, you'll have to bind keys in software anyway, since the keyboard firmware itself cannot have knowledge of the specific software you're using it with.

A valid use of firmware programmability is for alternative layouts. That way, no matter where you plug your keyboard, you're guaranteed to have your fancy meme layout working as expected, without having to mess with OS settings (which may not even support your layout).
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>>87469864
>>87469953
There is zero missing physical keys I care about so you're wrong.
You can also use macros of multi key hits on multiple layers, the possibilities are endless.
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>>87469986
Layers are annoying past Fn, gimme a physical key.
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>>87470093
What for? Fn doubles the number of keys, so with a 60% you already have more than with a 100% keyboard without layers.
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Got a set of Gateron CJ to try out linears and I can't say I'm liking them? What's a good place to sell switches? Why do I find linears so much harder to type on?
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>>87470109
>What for?
For not having to hen-peck around a Fn layer until I get used to it. I can't be fucked to memorize an entire second keyboard bound to my Fn key, even half of one. I get it, the pastabilities are endless, but my patience isn't.
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Looking for a 2.4ghz, TKL/75%. Nuphy75, Corsair K63, VELOCIFIRE TKL02, Red Dragon Vishnu, or Royal Kludge 84/87/89?

The new logitech MX mechanical also fulfills my criteria but it's quite a bit more expensive. I want something 75% or TKL, 2.4ghz, decent battery, mechanical. Based on my research these seem to be the only ones readily available in Canada that fulfill my requirements. How do you guys think they compare?
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low profile gateron keycaps don't exist do they
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>>87470261
don't those still use a + stem? or do they need a shorter stem
low profile keycaps in general are a dead-zone because low profile isn't popular
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>>87456493
this looks so ugly... why would keyboards ever have different sized keys? ortho is life.

now if only they made an all half-staggered board with uniform key size...
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>>87456712
NCR80
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>>87470314
>half-staggered board with uniform key size...
huh?
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>>87470165
Your brain is more adaptive than your body. Remember the shortcuts now or suffer from RSI later because you have to move your hand half a meter whenever you want to scroll down a page.
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>>87470354
a keyboard where every key is the same size but each next row is half-staggered... shifted half the size of a key.

sorta like this but a keyboard and it would be more rectangular and not an overall hexagon
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>>87470480
A function layer isn't going to save me from RSI, don't be fucking stupid.
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>>87470490
oh interesting, im sure someone has done something similar with vertical stagger but I have to imagine uniform horizontal stagger like that would be very weird to type on
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>>87466311
Probably pic related or Keychron.
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>budget
undecided
>continent
North America, USA.
>switch type
tactile/silent. Currently using a Razer keyboard with their orange switches and I like them for the most part, but I'd like something with a slightly higher actuation force
>layout
ANSI
>form factor
85%, possibly TKL
>light
Yes, per key addressable if possible
>previous
inB4 Razer shitter, Razer Blackwidow Elite w/orange switches, Razer Ornata
>purpose
Gaming and typing.

I'm looking at a GMMK pro with panda switches but am open to better options
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>>87470565
q1 knob, objectively better than gmmk pro. also boba u4 (not u4t) switches are silent and more tactile than glorious pandas.
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>>87470565
GMMK Pro is an excellent metal board if you want to tinker with keyboards. If you don't want to tinker with keyboards, look at the Keychron Q1 knob, though if you're more after TKL look at the Q3 (knob or knobless doesn't matter, it has the Q1 knob improvements).

Seconding the other fellow's Boba U4 suggestions, they sound like exactly what you're after. Glorious Pandas are pretty good Holy Panda type switches but Boba is king.
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>>87469354
I usually start with the HHKB function layer for arrow keys and pageup/down home/end, just what im used to. Lately I've been getting more accustomed to the miryoku layout
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>>87466311
Kailh makes low profile switches in the usual linear, light tactile, and clicky flavors. Just keep in mind that low profile switches are usually not compatible with hotswap sockets for normal profile switches, and they are only compatible with keycaps that are designed for low profile switches.
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>>87470727
>>87470620
Thanks for the recommendations. I'll probably still end up going with the GMMK pro because I really like the look of it, but for the switches I think I'll end up taking the advice on the Boba U4's
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>>87468245
It'll drive you crazy over time, anon. Just buy some PCB mount stabs, bite the bullet, and get it over with when you have a free hour or two.
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>>87470903
Forewarning, the GMMK Pro is a bit of an acoustic deadzone for key switches, so if you like how some switches sound you should look into an FR4 switch plate from AVX Works. The gasket mount also will not blow you away. (Though, personally, I've never been "blown away" by a gasket mount, even a "good" one.)

You should also look into QMK and VIA firmwares, as the Glorious Core software sucks.
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>>87470922
thanks for the heads up. Would it also help to put any foam or anything inside the case too?
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>>87470980
not that anon but foam modding should be low on your priority if you do plan on modding. getting better stabs, changing plates, using d65 gaskets, and lubing your stabs/switches are higher up. but yeah, pe foam on top of your pcb helps with sound.
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>>87470980
It does come with foam already put in. I personally didn't notice any real difference between the stock foam it came with and the high quality Stupidfish foam. YMMV. Make sure you change the stabs if you get a sticky spacebar.
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>>87471082
should I get some different stabs altogether? I've heard that the stock ones aren't the best.
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>>87470562
it just makes sense to me. the drevo joyeuse v1 has staggers like this but lacks the "every key is the same size" feature.
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>>87471095
Depends on whether the stock ones are bad enough to be unusable (Glorious' solution was, at first, to completely soak the stabilizers in lube, with less than optimal results), but it's not a bad idea to get other stabilizers anyways just on the off-chance. I recommend these ones https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095WLCTCX/ as they're Durock v2 clones, a bit cheaper for an identical product. If you want to buy stabs with the board itself, the "GSV2" stabs by Glorious themselves are apparently also good, unlike the "GOAT" stabs that come preinstalled on GMMK Pro.
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>>87471140
i guarantee you will never be able to press the 1 key on the numpad properly without actually looking at the kb. fuck this "bunched up" layout. looks good at first but suboptimal for actual typing.
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>>87471217
the point was not to show off the numpad. i dont disagree with you there. i just wanted to show that uniform half-staggers have been done for the letter cluster.
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>>87471257
and if you actually meant you couldnt do so because of rhe half-stagger - i believe it's just as reasonable as normal ortho.
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>>87471201
are those really supposed to be durock v2 clones? The clip is facing outwards there instead of inwards which is kind of the whole point with V2s to prevent wire popping. I would just look for real ones personally, they're great stabilizers
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Alps are nothing special and they are easily killed by dust.

Don't fall for the vintage Jew.
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>>87470480
Single key presses will always be more ergonomic than chording, no matter what QMK trannies led you to believe.
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>>87469986
The possibilities end when you have to press a function key plus a number key at the same time.
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>>87471345
I've used both, I didn't notice any difference in performance between RUNJRX and Durock.
>>87471379
Chyrosran's suicide livestream when?
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Fuck I want a dactyl manuform so bad but I'm afraid I won't like it and I already have a moonlander which I like a lot
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>>87471379
can Alps' design be improved durability-wise by doing something similar to kailh BOX switches, where the contact leaf is covered?
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>>87471762
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how well Clickiez hold up over time.
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>>87470563
Man… that air75 looks so attractive, but I already have a K8 Pro and a Q6 on the way.

With the folio, could I pack the air75 in a briefcase?
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got my numpad keycaps after a long wait


Nothing too fancy, but I much prefer the SA profile over the stock keycaps
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>>87471976
why does it look abs
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>>87471976
stock

>>87471983
Because SA profile usually is ABS
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>>87471895
This video shows some more details about it, including how big it is compared to a typical laptop.
https://youtu.be/7H0ZY4uGY3A?t=276
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Been typing for a couple of days now on my Cheery G80 with black switches. I'm sorry but how is this keyboard made for people who type a lot? There is way too much resistance. I'm not even a wristlet but after 5 days of typing I still haven't gotten used to it. The brown switches on my HyperX Alloy really are perfect. Maybe blue ones are better but I have never owned a keyboard with blue switches.

But the Cherry? A bit disappointed by it. Oh well only paid 25€.
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>>87472055
are you talking about the switch or the keyboard, because you can like one but not the other
ive typed on mx blacks for almost a decade and like it
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Imma buy a keychron q2.
Good idea or bad idea?
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>>87472055
Cherry blacks have high spring weight and were originally made for use on the spacebar, IIRC. Some people have gorilla hands, so maybe it appeals to them.
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>>87472055
Blacks have a fairly high resistance for linear switches. I don't like them either since I type with a very light touch and seldom bottom out.

Try something such as reds instead, they are effectively the same thing, but lighter.
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>>87472109
If you like 65%, sure.
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>>87472129
I'm black and I can't stand linears, get your facts straight.
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Moondrop, the chink iem company, is coming out with a keyboard early july. Prices unknown yet.
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>>87472205
Reminds me of the old school Mac keyboards we had in elementary school. I hate it.
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>>87472205
Hope they niggery paint flakes as bad as their IEM paint
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>>87472095
black switches. way too much resistance for fluid writing. maybe for people who like to hit their keyboard. I like to type normally.

>>87472117
That's something that irritates me the most, the stiff space bar. It feels even stiffer than the other keys. on my main keyboard it's the exact other way round which is why I like a light space bar.
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>>87472255
Next time you get a keyboard, I suggest you get a hotswap of some kind.
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>>87472205
That font looks fucking ugly, but I like the old-style Windows key.
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>>87472255
that's just a preference thing then
you should have bought a switch tester and a bunch of switches to see what you like
if you are really autistic, you can mix and match switch parts to make your favorite switch
t. currently using mx hyperglide blacks
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Talk me out of checking out
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>>87472422
Is it 6.50 for a 10 pack? If so, do it.
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>>87472422
why do you need 200 of them
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>>87472481
Q6 has 108 keys
K8 pro has 87 keys
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>>87472526
i'd personally get linears for one of those boards for variety whenever i'm switching up.
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>>87472422
The U4T is fine if you want decent sounding switches and a slightly scratchy feeling. Get the Akko CS Ocean Blues or Lavenders instead. They offer superior tactility and thocc at a fair price.
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>>87472595
>U4T is fine if you want decent sounding switches and a slightly scratchy feeling
oh give me a break lol fuck off you akko shill
>>87472422
you would be wise to lube them if they arent prelubed, but even without it they are top notch tactiles. enjoy
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Just bought a hot swappable Keychron K2 V2 Hot Swappable from Ebay for a bit cheaper than normal but realised I didn't get the one with RGB. Feel a bit sad about it, now how will people know I'm a massive fagoot?
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>>87472759
Rgb was exciting for all of 5 minutes for me. I mostly just ignore or turn off the feature to conserve battery life
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>>87472133
I did it. Now it's eating dust for the month.
I need desk space, so I'll have to like it.
Never really use function keys anyway and will probably manage without the numpad.
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Does Drop restock their keycap set? I was planning on buying the MT3 2048 set but the numpad isn't available.
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>>87473341
depends entirely on the set, they have done 2nd/3rd runs of stuff, and they've let others just sit for years with no restocks
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>>87472821
RGB is kind of shit if you don't have keycaps with clear legends or pudding tops.
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>>87473128
install VIA software and you can put your f keys on a separate layer.
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>>87473341
They restock, especially the MT3s because they're exclusive to Drop. They probably sold out because they just had a BOGO sale.
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Pulled out gateron switches (hot swap) and now switches are much looser when plugging them back in… some I can remove with my fingers with relative ease.

Did I fuck up? How am I supposed to remove these switches?
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>>87473421
did you snap them back in? maybe you didn't push it in far enough. make sure there's no gap.
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>>87473416
Not always true, i've been waiting like 2-3 years for MT3 Serika to get another run and so far, nothing.
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>>87473435
Some don’t even snap
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>>87473437
MT3 Serika rerun is confirmed to not ever happening, there was a rights issue between the Serika designer and Drop that got the designer really burned out
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>>87456493
Mines a gigabyte :))) top teir stuff!1!!1
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>>87473470
I had a gigabyte mechanical keyboard for years, it was a heavy tank.

Not super featured compared to modern boards though, no hot-swap, single color LED backlights, etc.
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Got a bag of Zealios V1 redux yesterday. A keebio kbo5000 arriving tomorrow, and a set of gliging sa caps in green/black coming Monday.
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top 3 silent tactile switches?
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Any recs for a hot-swappable 99 key board?
>Budget
50-150 USD
>Location
North America
>Preferred switch type
Light linears
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
99 key
>Backlight
Don't like RGB, don't care if the board has.
>Previous/current keyboards
Current is keychron k2 with reds.
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There’s no way around scratching the metal plate with a switch puller, is there?
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>>87474352
i dunno have you tried boiling the switch puller? that probably does nothing.
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>>87473998
It's all boba U4.
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>>87474036
i've never heard of a 99 key board. what are some examples?
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>>87469749
152,50
for anyone wondering
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>>87475054
oh wow wtf that's damn steal, amazed that there were no sniping shenanigans during the final minute.
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>>87475028
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>>87475153
thats 96
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>>87475028
>>87475501
Just call them 1800s since that's what they are. 95, 96, 98, 99, 980, 1800, and on and on all describe the same form factor. A 96 is just an 1800 but worse because all the clusters are stuck together
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Has anyone ever used the Keychron K6 on linux?
I keep having an issue where the keyboard just stops responding, citing:
  usb 3-2: reset full-speed USB device number 4 using xhci_hcd
usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110


with some random error message every time.
I can factory reset the keyboard while it happens, but it won't fix it unless I unplug it & wait 5 secs to plug it back up.
The linux keychron facebook group is unfortunately extrememly useless and I can't find any relevant help on google.
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>>87473462
It's impressive that Drop burns bridges with every independent designer they contract with.
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>>87470890
I figured I would want low profile keycaps, and also didnt want a hotswap socket since that would probably make them higher profile.

What about the PCB though? Do I need a specific PCB too?
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>>87476406
I wonder how MiTo does it
probably whoring himself out
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>>87476511
MiTo's probably coping that he's like the sixth or seventh in line to arrive at a sculpted Cherry-ish profile that's basically just ASA again. Including Drop which tried to brand it as MT2 at first.
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I just want to know whatever is the best keyboard in the $70-$99 price range
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>>87476616
Hotswappable Keychron in the size you want, probably.
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>>87476616
Best is subjective, but Akko's selection of keyboard is without a doubt the best quality when it comes to the price point you are asking. They have a variety of sizes, layouts and colors, as well as a variety of switches. You really can't go wrong with choosing Akko. I can also recommend other boards from within Epomaker, as they also make great quality boards at fair prices.
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>>87456493
>budget
€300+
>continent
Europe
>switch type
smoothest linear possible, ~50g
I have varmilo ec2 sakuras on my actual keyboard, if there's something even smoother out there I'm all ears
>layout
ISO DE
>form factor
60% with touchpad instead of numpad
wireless
>light
simple white with shinethrough lettering
>previous
-
>purpose
controlling home cinema PC from the couch

does something like this even exist? every result I find for wireless+touchpad is low profile keys and logitech/corsair stuff
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>>87456493
Does anyone know how to wire up a teensy board (or some other bit of tech) to make an old keyboard into a USB keyboard?

I still don't have my computer boards or my screen, but my TRS-80 model 100 came and I wanna get it ready so that when my boards come I can just stick them in the enclosure and get rolling with my cyberduck.

I already removed the screen and the motherboard and all the other parts I don't need.

Also, what would be the best way to clean the keyboard? I plan to retrobrite all the keys and the white part of the enclosure with that Sally Beauty Salon cream stuff 8-bit guy used once.
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>>87476624
is the k2v2 good?
>>87476716
3098B or 3098N?
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>>87476977
K2v2 is pretty good.
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What are some good gaming keyboards under $100? the OP says that the most popular brands are not worth the price so what are some alternatives
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>>87476511
MiTo is also working with GMK on a new profile/production line.
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>>87477177
You thinking of matt30, not MiTo?
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>>87476550
its not even ASA or anything, DCX(formerly MT2) is just straight out a Cherry-alike
Signature Plastics may not be happy either that they're aping their DCS profile (which is also just Cherry-alike)
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>>87477292
A bit hard to tell, it does look a bit more "scooped" in their renders than Cherry, visually it reminds me of ASA.

On the bright side they're not CannonKeys which is very obviously using ASA tooling for their "CXA" keycap profile and didn't bother to change the font.
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>>87477336
Drop, Cylindrical, X. Yeah

All these "new" profiles gotta come from somewhere, and that somewhere is chinese designers actually innovating. Maybe OSA too now will see a bit more popularity given that Akko is gonna sell an OSA profile with the very obvious same tooling Winmix does.
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>>87476977
3098B. If you really care about the Nordic chip, then get N. The B also has a more varied switch selection with the CS Jelly series, vs the TTC switches. But you really can't go wrong with either, as many keyboard enthusiasts agree that Akko's selection of switches are god tier.

>>87477009
https://en.akkogear.com/store/keyboard/
It really depends on the layout and aesthetic you want, but these boards are top quality.
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>>87475501
>>87475598
Right, so any 96/1800 keyboard recs?
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>>87477336
Both are slightly better than the average chink caps, but I would say CXA is slightly better than ASA in terms of quality. Though they are probably from the same manufacturer as the tooling is very similar with the exception of the icon mods that ASA uses. I do own a set of ASA and CXA, and I prefer the CXA for a few reasons. CXA spacebar is the comfiest of all profiles I've owned. Both are PBT blends, but my 5+ months of use with the CXA has shown no shine whatsoever, whereas my ASA set used within 2 months has started to show shine in the heavily used keys. And finally, the lower profile of the CXA set is more comfortable to use, rather than the slightly higher profile of the ASA. In terms of sound, I would say ASA is better just because of the higher profile contributes to better acoustics.
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>>87477486
FL Esports FL980, CMK98, Keychron Q5, Keychron K4, that one Akko 1800 board.
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>>87477486
keychron q5
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>>87465805
my god japanese letters are so stupid
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>>87476799
There's no solution that fits all keyboards. But do you know how a key matrix works?
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Budget doesn't matter, just looking for something akin to /iem/ shilling moondrop chu's, what's the keyboard equivalent?
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Anyone tried the Logitech MX Mechanical?
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How are 60% keyboards for programming? I use vim, so don't give a shit about arrows/pgup/pgdown, but I also use IDE so a lot of f5,f9,f11 usages.
I really like the idea for having arrow-less keyboard, but I need f keys.


Also, which key do you use for switching layers? I don't see any special key on those keyboards, especially on left side


(Fuck, I realized I literally can use vim-like navigation everywhere with these layers)
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>>87479960
Remap caps lock to fn
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>>87479960
For me, FN is between right alt and right ctrl. If you get an ISO compatible keyboard, you could use the key between left shift and z if you want a key on the left. Or use capslock for layer2
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Anyone try these out? Wondering if they'll feel too heavy compared to 14mm 70g springs from TX.
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>>87480026
Why would 69g springs feel heavier than 70g springs?
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>>87480038
Longer length means that you're preloading the spring, making the difference between the start out weight and bottom out weight less.
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>>87480049
Makes sense. But why would they feel heavier if they are longer? Also, what does this "weight" actually refer to? Spring constant times total length times 9.81m/s2? Or do they use a different length?
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>>87480092
The force at the start of the press is relatively higher because the spring is already compressed a lot due to its length. With a short & a long spring that both bottom out at the same weight, the long spring will feel heavier because of the higher weight at the start of the press.
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>two buttons produce "for i in range()" (and put the cursor into the brackets)
Macros are neat.
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>>87479020
I have no idea how they work fren. This is my first mechanical keyboard. I had never even pushed a key on one until yesterday and it was very loud and satisfying. It has about 40 years of dirtiness and yellowing that needs to be corrected though.

I did some researching and found a couple experiments where Teensy 2.0++ is used. I may also have to get a breadboard. I am going to read through these any anything else I can find. Any help/resources are appreciated.

This guy did like a whole thing with a breadboard and other parts of the machine. I'd like to avoid a breadboard if possible to save space in the enclosure.

https://trmm.net/TRS80_Model_100/

This guy did something similar but more keyboard focused:

https://seanet.com/~karllunt/M100_usb_keyboard.html

As far as parts:

Have:
- TRS-80 Model 100 (Don't worry, it was broken when I bought it so this is retro-recycling)

Waiting on:
- Clockwork Pi boards (Maybe I'll have them in September? I can use my Raspi 4 in the mean time.)
- Screen (Monday)
- Egg beater key popper thing and brushes (some time next week)
- Dra/g/on Maid stickers (some time in the next couple days)

Unordered:
- Teensy (or some other board to make SBC and keyboard talk)
- 18650 batteries (plz recommend some good ones)
- Probably other parts I'm not thinking of

Can't find:
- CM3 Lite, WiFi, any RAM
- CM4 Lite, WiFi, 8gb RAM

I've seen projects where people wire the keyboard directly into the GPIO on a Pi and then drive it with some kind of Python script. I'd like to avoid that if possible since a USB connector would make it easier to swap boards if I want.

I'd also have to remap keys a little to make space for {, }, | and ~.
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My USB cable arrived at my Taobao warehouse so now I can actually ship all my stuff to myself. I paid about $25 USD for this. It's insane to think that people are willing to pay $50+ USD + shipping for one.
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>>87479720
identical to keychron low profile boards, costs way too much
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>>87480399
I'm hoping that Logitech will make a Mac layout version of the MX Mechanical. They have ones for the other keyboards, so I'm hopeful. Keychron is hence not really an option.
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>>87456493
Should I use Dvorak? It seems kind of based.
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>>87480899
Do you want to relearn how to type for the sake of variety?
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>>87480876
>Keychron is hence not really an option.
keychron keyboards prioritize mac
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>>87480261
Maybe this helps you get started:
https://sudonull.com/post/23886-How-to-make-a-keyboard-Matrix
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>>87480974
Yes. Learning useless things for no reason is fun. That's why those animal safari shows are so popular with normies. Nobody needs to know about lemurs or alligators or those weird little honker frogs, but learning about them is recreational so people do it anyway.
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>>87481033
Thanks fren, I'll give this a read.
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>>87480986
That's not a Mac layout.
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I fell for the ducky meme.
What a piece of shit, that stuff is pinging like crazy I'd have to ruin warranty just to put foam inside and lube the switches.
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>>87481470
put shelf liner under it
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guise, i fucked up
i tried cleaning my mx keys keyboard a few days ago, and now my enter key sometimes doesnt register a keypress. is there any special way i should be reattaching the keys or something?
shits annoying as fuck
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>>87481043
Based, learn colemak-dh.
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>>87481620
What happens if I just put the keys in alphabetical order? Then it becomes trivial to learn how to peck type.
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Is the EPOMAKER E84 a decent keyboard for ~$85? Came across a video that showed off how it sounded stock with Gateron reds and thought it sounded pretty good.
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>>87481620
no
don't learn a meme layout
learn mtgap instead
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>Budget
around $250 is the highest i'd wanna go
>Location
USA
>Preferred switch type
any decent linears, i've looked into gateron yellows and they seem like what i'm going for
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL, i have never used the numpad on my keyboard in my entire life
>Backlight
hopped off the rgb circlejerk years ago, i'm a-ok with static light backlighting just to see it at night
>Previous/current keyboards
i've been using a razer blackwidow with whatever they call their clones of mx blues for like 4 years and a $40 amazon keyboard before that

not looking for anything crazy, just good build quality and a board that's not gonna wake everyone within a 5 mile radius up.
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>>87482010
CMK87, comes with Kailh box whites which despite being clicky aren't very loud and are so light they're almost linear. Gateron yellows are dirt cheap if you're still bent on them
https://www.amazon.com/FL-CMK87-Mechanical-Programmable-Rechargeable/dp/B09R9T44DJ
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>>87482010
>i have never used the numpad on my keyboard in my entire life
has anyone used the scroll and pause key either?
try looking at keychron's offerings because frog tkl is currently on hiatus
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GG86 arrived yesterday, already broke off one of the plastic case clasps when opening it to install the stabilisers but otherwise im very happy with it and some aqua kings
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>>87482808
Nice DMG clones, shame it doesn't have the Game Boy d-pad keys.
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>>87482892
yeah all clones seem to have the same generic set of novelties, I cant complain though
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>>87481470
Should have bought an Akko board instead Cheaper and a way better quality than even most custom kits.
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>>87482808
Do people really spend hundreds of dollars to create something that looks like 30 dollars worth of plastic? This hobby is blowing my mind.
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>>87481582
Try an electric contact cleaner, usually does the trick. Assuming fluid was involved in the cleaning.
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>>87484118
that anon literally got a cheap board along with low quality clones. the modifiers are an eyesore. of course it's gonna look bad and cheap relatively speaking. but it's still way better than your average prebuilt.
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>>87484217
>low quality clones
those are probably aifei keycaps, which are the "best" gmk clones
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>>87481817
Seems good for its price
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>>87484265
>best clones
I have $20 gmk blue samurai clones and the lettering isn't that bad.
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>>87484466
>japanese letters
doesn't get more cringe than that
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>>87484499
you're in a thread dedicated to mech keyboards what else were you expecting
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vroom vroom to your new thread
>>87484720
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>>87458098
I have two of these. One red switch, one blue switch. I prefer the red switch but overall I love them both and it's a very nice keyboard.
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>>87484699
self respect
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>>87486088
>>87484499
Amen
>>87484699
go back to r/mechdweebs, we're refining plebeian taste out here
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>>87476775
QK65 with bluetooth maybe
https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/qk65r2?variant=42644430520563

65% but not having arrow keys is annoying so I never even looked into 60%
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Which store ships to EU full mkb?
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final bumpable post

goodnight sweet prince.
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