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>>85229600>recommending PGA1200okay stop trolling
GPU prices are fucked forever. ETH goes POS won't fix AIBs charging more.
>>85229600Will I run into any compatibility issues if I use two sticks of ram from two different brands?
>>85229600THE KING RETURNS
>>85229630A very high chance that you will. Especially if they source their chips from different vendors.
>>85229625Not my problem. -typed from a 3070
One of the fans in my new case makes significantly more noise than the others, what do?
>>85229625the AIBs will have to compete with a market flooded by cards from miners who sold
>>85229625they will move to other sissy coineven if bitcoin price is zero , i highly doubt those jews going to sell graphic card at 2019 price
>>85229625>95% of customers disappear forever>20 million units of the product appear at rock bottom prices on ebay>p-prices w-will not change!don't you have some bbc threads to post over at /pol/?
>>85229640What's the worse that could happen?
>>85229719In some cases it just won't boot. In others you'll have instability or trouble getting it to run at the correct speeds. You can try it, it won't damage anything (except maybe any data you write to disk while using that memory config) but there's a pretty good chance it's not going to work like you want it to.
>>85229600This looks very uncomfortable for connecting displays
I'm looking to build my first PC, I have basically no knowledge on computers. I just need some really basic build to start that can run blender and other editing software like gimp and such and play a decent amount of games at ok settings, and yes I get that is vague. how much should I be expecting to have to save up? part by part estimate at least the major ones would be appreciated if possible. Eastern US.
If you were to build a PC anytime in 2022, when would you build it?Worth it to wait for fall for RTX 4000? Any good CPUs coming out this year?
>>85229848I'd either build now with a B660 + 12700 if I needed it or wait for Zen4
>>85229759If it's not gonna do any permanent dmg then I'll just try it out and see what happens.Thanks, brother.
>>85229791cpu: 12400, ~200cpu cooler, 50-100 depending on how quiet you'd like it to bemobo: b660, ~100-150 depending on desired featuresram: 16-32gb dd4, 100-200 ssd: 1tb nvme gen3, ~100psu: will depend on target gpu, but lets say around 100case: 80-150, depending on quality/brandtotal without gpu: $750 to $1k and that takes care of the easy stuff, because now we talk abt gpusas you're probably aware, the gpu situation is completely and utterly fucked right nowthere are good reasons to expect it to improve by the summeri would advise going ahead with the base build and buying a gpu thenif you decide to take this advise, you need to take care to buy the 12400 non-f, as the 12400f has no integrated graphicsyou also have to decide what sort of resolution/framerate you want to go forthis will determine what gpu you need to buyand this also affects your monitor purchaseyou wouldn't want a super high end gpu with a 1080p panel or a 4k/144hz panel with a low end gpu
>>85229879damn thanks for the quick and thorough reply anon. ill definitely be doin a good amount of research but its nice to have a rough idea of prices for what I'm lookin for. much appreciated
>>85229879Just buy a laptop at this point...
>>85229916You can't install a GPU in a laptop, anon.
>>85229916no, don'tunless, you know, you actually need it to be portablethe system in that post will btfo most laptops for (sustained) performanceand it will do it without sounding like a jet engine
>>85229947meant for >>85229791
>>85229926>>85229935>>85229943>they can't afford a 20k laptopforgot where I was
>aliasing everywhere on all games >ghosting of 3d models>flickering and shimmering of objects at all distances >stable FPS i had got a new cpu, psu, gpu, and MOB replaced and working and im still having these issues on all games. ive reinstalled windows, ive reinstalled, uninstalled reinstalled drivers for gpu, ive fucked with monitor resolutions and refresh rates. I cannot get this to resolve and its driving me fucking crazy. b450 pro wifi aorusryzen 5 5600x3060 RTX 12gb corsair 750+ gold evo 970 pro 250gb ssd WD 4tb HDDG.Skill Aegis Series 16GB ramhelp me /pcbg/ i cannot get this fixed its been over a month
>>85229947>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4hc68i would use an aio on the 12700change the mobo to b660be aware that 2 16gb kits are not the same as 1 32gb kit. the 2 kits are not guaranteed to hit their rated perf when used together, the single kit williirc the 980 non-pro doesn't have a dram cache, but do some research on that frontbuying a gpu now is not a good idea, obviously. but, if you must.. i don't remember the p300 being reviewed anywhere. the bequiet 500dx and lian li lancool 215 are known good cases in that price classyou could get away with a 650w psu with that gpu, but its fine if you want to be a little futureproof
>>85229650For reference I bought the Fractal Torrent and the bottom middle fan is making what seems like significantly more rotor noise than the other fans. I also can't seem to get the bottom fan bracket off, the instructions just say to unscrew the two screws and it will go off but it's still stuck tight after unscrewing them.
>>85229943A shitty rtx 3050 laptop would do the job, blender 3.0 cycles with OPTIX runs very well on the meme cores even on the weaker rtx cards
>>85230000email fractal, ask for replacement fanand either gamersnexus or kitguru on youtube will have done the thing with the fan bracket, check their vids
>>85230000checked. and thank you for the cute pic
>>85229992>i don't remember the p300 being reviewed anywherehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L9YfbCirTg
>>85229991sounds like a gpu issue
>>85230027my bad, missed itdid it outperform the ones i listed?
Are those new Ryzen CPUs going to be like 9th gen consoles?
>>85230028i replaced the gpu from a 1070 gtx to a 3060 rtx and replaced the mobo as well and the same prob persists
Are the NZXT BLDs worth it? With how cucked the market it how bad would it be to get their shit then upgrade over the years?
>>85230039then its probably the monitor you are using
>>852300389th gen consoles are using underclocked 3700x's that have to share memory with the GPU, Zen 2 on desktop is better, not to mention Zen 3.
>>85230034it performed the same as the 500DX when paired with standard fans, so with an AIO it would be great
>>85230068see the thing is i also tried my buddies monitor on this PC and got the exact same problem on his. I tried to change the refresh speed but my current monitor doesnt have a setting for it.Its some acer from like 6 years ago.
>>85230083sounds like its gpu rma time, anon
>>85230105>gpu rma timewhy would the same prob persist on two diff GPUS like that do you think?my 1070 worked perfect until a month ago and I was able to get a $500 new 3060 RTX thinking it was the GPU, but alas the problem was still there. The ONLY thing that has somewhat helped it is using DLSS on some games. I ask you guys only because i have just came up short on fixing this problem when ive almost replaced the entire PC.
Hello, I would like to build an high end computer for programming (and buy a GPU later if I want to do some gayming). The problem is that for my programming needs I exclusively use Debian (Windows only for gaming). Debian is using some old Linux kernel I guess and I would like to know if it I can have problems with recent motherboard or CPUs. I was planning on buying a 5900x or i9-12900K, do you know the big difference between the two? I heard the i9-12900K is harder to cool so it would make my build more noisy (a big NO for me), is it true?
>>85230160>I would like to know if it I can have problems with recent motherboard or CPUsi haven't tried this, but its possible that (older) kernels haven't got a scheduler that can properly utilize e-cores>I heard the i9-12900K is harder to cool so it would make my build more noisyits less efficient overallbut in both cases you would be well advised to go with a big ass aioand big ass aios will eat transient spikes in temp for breakfasttldr i don't think it will be a noticeable difference unless you're compiling large projects a lotimo the safe choice is the 5900xbut the 12900k is the better value for moneyyour choice
>>85230130you have to be more specific by >aliasing everywhere on all games>ghosting of 3d models>flickering and shimmering of objects at all distanceslike a video or image or something because it just sounds like a shitty monitor or you got your settings whack.
>>85230191Thanks, I think I will go for the 5900x then.
>>85230222Do you know when the 12700(non k) is being released?
>>85230222gimme a sec anon
>>85230011Alright, I'll try after my post vaccination arm soreness is over to see if I can remove the fan bracket still and see if I can fix the rattling myself before contacting support. For now I'll just have the fan disabled
Any reason not to get the board for an i5 12500?https://www.awd-it.co.uk/gigabyte-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4-intel-micro-atx-wifi-motherboard-lga-1700.htmlIs there a better board for the price?
>>85229625I just came here to inform you that I bought a new 3090 from newegg today. That is all.
>>85229655They will just move to something else.
>>85230318>post-vaccination armCan I have your parts after you suddenly die from a clotted heart?
>>85230222okay here you gohttps://streamable.com/k00asllook at those antennas and just general objects in the background. Im not moving my camera and they flicker. I also get this with some models up close too. I looked at the wall to show that textures look generally fine up close, but in the distance its all flickering and fucked. its this way on all games, and even games like Ion Fury was having this grainy aliasing with flickering.
>https://twitter.com/AMDGPUOfficial/status/1481803623084576771>amd laptop igpu is TWICE as fast as intel's mobile igputhis is a fucking lie, isnt it
I have until the end of the month to return my 5600x and mobo. Should I just do that and jump to Intel 12400/12600?
>>85230443If AMD wanted to they could easily create an apu with that kind of performance. Ditch the vega graphics and actually put a decent amount of RDNA cores on an APU.
>>85230295its already out, pair it with a B660 or H670 like I did for this buildhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4hc68
I want to buy a BD Reader, possibly writer, but that's less important.I'm hoping to archive a lot of the movies/games/music/whatever that I have, and I know I can buy a regular CD/DVD reader for that, but I also thought that while I'm at it, might as well be able to consoom Bluray media too. What are some of the better choices for internal 5.25" drives?I don't want to just sort by price highest->lowest and select the most expensive one because I feel I'd just be scamming myself. Anyone able to help my smallbrain out?
>>85230478they did ditch vega tho
>>85230443its not a lie, its RDNA2>>85230478they should have released a 6nm 6000 series for AM4 but I guess they're prioritising AM5
I’ve been looking around the internet and couldn’t find a release dateKnow when the core i7-12700 (non k) is being released?
>>85229959Still doesn't compare with a $2k desktop
>>85230147At that point you may as well buy a desktop, because you've lost your portability anyways.
>>85230478>>85230491interesting but i still doubt it
>>85230383apparently that issue happens on consoles too in that game.https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1437712460987965442?s=19can you show it happening in another game like a emulator, benchmark, or non shitty pc game? if it really happens in all games then it should show up immediately in timespy.
just got 12400f+660 still cheaper than 5600x
>>85230619yeah mate gimme a min
>>85230619https://streamable.com/rlx884lockers, door frames, things like that flicker. no matter the settings in control panel, or in game will alleviate that prob.
>>85230510i think it has been released, this past week
I have an 660ti so I've been looking to upgrade but when I start comparing gpu benchmarks for 970, 1050, 1060, 1650 the 970 and 1060 rape every other card in comparison.I don't know what I should buy. Is there any other model I should look out for?I'm a noob
>>85230877And how exactly will I buy that?I'm looking at used shit from 200-400 euros.
>>85230863if your 660ti isn't broken then you're going to have to hang onto it for a little while longer
>>85230884i dunno, dont be poor i guess anon.
>>85230915chin up anon, miners are going to be selling their 1660ti's and 2060s and 3060tis and 3070s in about five months, its going to be a smorgasboard of ex-mining cards
Why do people still care about new graphics cards? CPUs are becoming good enough to play games on their own.
>>85230935good news, they already selling
>>85230937Because we don't want to play on 1080p (or lower) minimum settings?T. 1440p 144hz ultra/high chad
>>85230945that is good news
>>85230937I'd like to see a CPU that can run heavily modded stalker in full hd with stable 60+ fps on max settings
>>85230959No one needs demanding as fuck Max settings just for slightly better graphics. People "Max" settings to show off how expensive their hardware is. It's all just worthless dick measuring.
>prebuild shit costs as much as the gpu itselfcome on, it's 2015
CPU reviews are in such a shit state it took me searching a old school invasionfree looking nigga of a website just to figure out how alder lake actually performs when configured/overclocked properly with whatever the ideal ram is(turns out ddr4 is just flat out superior btw except like one game that's bandwidth centric and would also show huge gains from 5133mhz hynix d4). You don't just have to dig up info on bins and what you can expect from different silicon qualities, interactions with specific game engines or GPU drivers etc but you gotta do it like four times getting together information for skylake, rkl, adl, zen 3 to have the complete picture. Imc on 10900k is superior to 12900k why would you even bother showing how they perform with the same 3200cl14-14-14-36 command rate 2 trefi of like 20% what a bad dimm can do when a $50 kit of heatsink-less Dell d4 with Samsung ICs can do better than that. retards "overclocking" to 5ghz on a 12900k with a fucking single tower noctua cooler that uses a 300rpm fan. $75 for a 360mm aio with five times the head of a asetek pump on Aliexpress you excessively retarded nigger techpowerup.I mean what the fuck do I care how a $650 CPU, $350 motherboard, and $240 kit of ddr4 perform STOCK? or sorry if you're gamersnexus sub-stock if stock means out of the box.after a half hour in bios using the same exact GPU and settings this 12700k is pumping out 19% more frames than what was in the reviews and I'm not even good at overclocking, can't be fucked to read. whole computer market is just fucked. no one even cares that half their GPU is wasted on RT/tensor and that it's not overockabke while the same companies are shipping cards that are 4 times as fast as a 1080ti to server farms with disabled directx so no one can get the Timmies upset.
>>85230375I feel like i'm literally freezing to death right now so maybe i will die
>>85231253go to hospital zhang
Is 4k 27" with x2 scaling any good for Linux?
>>85229655>what is Ergo>what is Ravencoin>what is FiloOne of these are gonna be picked up by Tether and they'll tell Binance and FTX to create another Ethereum Senate of 7.
>>85231371yea, you'll be fineproblems arise if you have multiple monitors with different levels of scalingbut then that is a problem on windows too (not a macfag, don't know how well mac handles it)
>>85231398go to /biz/, do a ctrl-f for each of them>0 resultsthe only people who even heard of them are miners(and also people researching the gpu situation)eth provides around 20 billion a year revenue to minersALL the other gpu shicoins COMBINED add up to around 700milafter pos, gpu mining is deadprobably forever, since all the new interesting stuff is pos from the startbut definitely for the foreseeable future/until the next bullrun
>>85231421The coins that are shat on/not talked about on /biz/ are usually the ones who go parabolic. That's called smart money move.Happened with AVAX. Happened with FTM. It's even happening with Harmony One as we speak. Don't you get tired of saying the same thing over and over again?
>>85231421Also, you don't go to /biz/ for financial advice. Why don't you try doing your own research for once? Probably you could've bought a GPU by now instead of sperging the same schizo theory on /pcbg/ for a whole two years already.
>>85231450>AVAX>FTMnever heard of themeth has a 400billion market caphow much are those?are they even gpu mined?
>>85231467>Why don't you try doing your own research for once?i didmy research told me that after eth goes pos, which it will, gpu mining is deadbecause it doesn't matter what coin the minerfags switch to, the total revenues are at most 5% of what eth providesand therefore 90% of all miner cards will have to be sold for the rest to start breaking evenso, eth goes pos, 20 million miner cards flood ebay, prices go through the floor, and i get my sub 50% msrp 3070
>>85231473Keep buying top 10 coins, dude. You're definitely gonna be rich off $100 in ten years. Sure thing.One more thing: ETH will never go PoS. This transition has been stretched for half a decade already. There's just too much money behind scenes for the foundation and Vb to pull the trigger. What makes you think this time will be different?>muh environmentSad state of affairs. Get a job, /v/ermin.
>>85231404ok thanks.Is it okay to run this screen with only a CPU (3900X), I don't want to do gaming, only programming and watch videos.
>>85231521>This transition has been stretched for half a decade alreadyfactually wrong.pos was on the roadmap from the beginning, but it has only been the current upgrade being worked on since julyit has been delayed exactly once, from dec '21 to june '22.>the foundation and Vbexactlyvitalik and the other foundation whales are, well, WHALESthey are HOLDERS, not MINERSand pos benefits holders massively-no more selling pressure from miners-holders get to stake their coins for more gains with 0 hardware costs-no more environmentalist fudding of the coin-no more legislative risk because of the environmentalist fuddingso, pos will be pushed through as fast as possible, precisely because vitalik and the foundation whales have so much to gain
>>85231547The system will not boot without some form of GPU.
>>85231547>Is it okay to run this screen with only a CPU (3900X)nope, the 3900x has no integrated graphicsyou either need a different cpu, or a (minimal) dedicated gpu
>>85231521>>85231564not pc building. kys niggers
>>85229600wait so 5600x was q4 2020 and they're not doing next gen till end of 2022 now?! wtf 2 yearsso should i buy the 12400f now?
>>85231582its relevant to pc building, inasmuch as it pertains to whether buying a gpu now is a good idea (its not)
>>85229625my 1660 works just fine
>>85231583if you're building a system now, yea, the 12400 is your best bet(imo always get the non-f chips, the igpu is a nice backup/insurance for only 20-30 more shekels)
>>85231582on topic chud
>>85231583Zen2 4300/4600/4700 and 5800X3D are the offerings.
>>85231623is 4600 desktop? and when is it due?
>>85231612thanks, amd dropped ball i think here
What's a decent budget 2TB M.2 SSD? The WD SN570 only has 1TB and the SK P31 isnt available in the UK
>>85231658yea, they really needed a $200 5600 non-xeven before the 12th gen released actuallythe 11400 was not as fast as the 5600x like the 12400but at half price it was still a much better option for the majority of gamers
>>85231647yes. no idea.its to compete with the 12100/12400.https://wccftech.com/amd-renoir-x-ryzen-4000-cpu-specifications-ryzen-7-4700-8-cores-ryzen-5-4600-6-cores-ryzen-3-4300-4-cores/if the 4300 is cheaper than the 12100 and the 4700 is cheaper than the 12400 then that is all they need.btw notice none of them are X skus.
>>85231570>>85231575Fuck so I would need to choose a very cheap GPU, any recommendation that is not noisy? I expect the low-end GPUs to be noisy...
>>85231681oh cool hadnt heard about this, hope is soon
>>85231681we already have 4750g 4650g 4350gall flop btw
>>85231699just buy random used passive gpu if you only need video output
>>85231699nah, don't worryif you're not gaming, the gpu will be idling all the timein fact im pretty sure the low end cards can also be found with passive heatsinkslook for gt1030si believe you want the ddr5 version of the cardim not sure what the amd equivalent is, but if you're on linux, amd is probably best
>another episode of AMdrone forgot 5x00g series exist
>>85231786OEM only for most of them.
>>85231823this thing seems to apply mostly for north america, when i bought 4650g it was 195€ and widely available in stores and it still is bug 215-220 eur
>>85231681>if the 4300 is cheaper than the 12100 and the 4700 is cheaper than the 12400 then that is all they need.For gaymers, the only attractive chip would be the 4600 at $99, the point being a low end chip with a bet on muh coars future proofing for poorfags with no hope of ever upgrading their CPU again. The rest of the chips are worthless
How 12400f in theory would fare for emulation purposes compared to a 5600x?
>>85231906it would do better
>>85231906Nvidia GPU mandatory.
>>85231980>>85232003might be cool then since my 2600x is not exactly stellar when it comes to ps3/wiiu
>>85232008If you decide to try Switch as well get Nvidia for that too.
>>85231906Approximately equal>>85231661According the PCpartpicker, the Crucial P5 is pretty cheap. At around the 200 bong mark there are a lot of better SSDs like the 970 EVO Plus>>852308631060 is way better than the 970 because the 1060 has adaptive sync and the 970 is old and hot, meaning it's likely to die at any minute>>85230448If it's still in the box, yeah. If it's already in your case, I'd say not worth it>>85230028>>85230383>>85230130>look at those antennasWelcome to having eyeballs, anon. It's basically a problem with those lines being thinner than pixels. Buy a higher resolution monitor (1440p or even 4K if you can't unsee that kind of stability issue). Since you have an RTX GPU, run DLDSR such that you downsample 1440p DLSS to your (presumably) 1080p monitor in the meantime.
>>85232008>my 2600x is not exactly stellar when it comes to ps3/wiiuReally? A 10100f which is similar does fine in Cemu and rpcs3. What GPU?
>>85232103A 10100F has way better single core than a 2600X. They're not similar
>>85232103As far as rpcs3 is concerned, the 2600x is effectively a 3c/6t CPU since crossing the ccx barrier does more harm than good
>>85232131>>85232152Oh I didn't know that. Thanks anons.
>>85232103>What GPU?1660si just have a gut feeling if i had handed over the 90 burgers extra for the 3600 back then it would have been worth it
>>85232098>If it's still in the box, yeah. If it's already in your case, I'd say not worth itYeah everything's already installed.Whatever, I'll keep it.
>>85232195Eh it's in the past now. If you didn't know you'd go into emulation you're not to blame. Same with me and my RX580. Sold it and bought a fucking 960.Perfectly happy about it, I have like 900 hours of games waiting me and they play perfectly fine.
How do I build a sexy PC. What's a sexy looking PC these days? A PC You'd stick a poster on your wall of
I don't understand why people think the scalpers will lower the prices of GPUs once their main money source disappears
>>85232286Because it's based on visual appearance, it's completely subjective.A computer that you think is sexy, someone else might think is zoomer meme shit or whatever else. Have a look at several computer parts retailers, maybe PCPartpicker, check the cases section, and buy based around a case that you think is attractive (as well as maybe buying based on functionality, too)
>>85232310Scalping is only possibly when a product is priced artificially lowLet's say the 3080 is selling for $1800 on a real market like ebay. If all retailers price 3080s at market value ($1800), scalpers have no incentive to buy them. The main worry is that Nvidia and AMD will raise MSRPs substantially, which is basically the point of the 12GB 3080 as far as I can tell. It's a reset of the MSRP to reflect market valueVery fortunate that Intel is getting into the graphics card game, because that at least provides some hope that there will be price competition when there's eventually more supply of GPUs than there is demand. That's when we'll see whether there's just more price collusion (like there has been between AMD and Nvidia, where AMD just matches whatever price Nvidia shits out while having a worse product), or whether they actually undercut each other. IMO three players improves the chance that the latter will happen
Are you just extra fucked when it comes to GPU prices in EU? There's no direct sales and retailers don't have to follow MSRP at all so they mark them up 2x before they can even get into scalpers' hands
>>85232430At least in Western EU you have sometimes FE drops and AMD direct, I'm a slav and we have neither here even though we are in the EU as well ffs
>>85232426>when there's eventually more supply of GPUs than there is demandIsn't GPU demand effectively infinite now?
>>85232485exactlygamers only need 1 cardminers want as many as possible
>>85232426>when there's eventually more supply of GPUs than there is demandLmaoThey will all go to miners, they don't have a ceiling
>>85232521>they don't have a ceilingthen where are they going to hang themselves from when eth goes pos?
>>85232539I don't know, maybe they will get together to pump some other memecoin
>>85232485>>85232516>>85232521If GPUs keep becoming more and more horrendously power inefficient eventually they're not going to be viable for mining anymore
>>85232485I would say no, because of difficulty increases that make older products too inefficient to mine. Also there are crypto boom and bust cycles. The last one was with bitcoin, and that didn't last forever, but it did have permanent effects on Nvidia's pricing
>>85232629eventually, yesalso, eventually, eth asics would push gpu miners outbut all those things are irrelevanteth is going pos by the summerand honestly, even before that, it mostly looks like the bull market is on its last legsi wouldn't be surprised if the party ends within a couple of months
What's a way to tell if a weak VRM can still run a high-power CPU? Such as i7-12700[F], a 180W chip, with the low-end ASRock B660M-HDV with 6-phase VRM.
It's really sad when you have to wait on Intel to see if they save the low-watt GPU market.
>>85232832There are no suitable motherboards that could not power it. The motherboards must be made to a spec given by Intel to be a valid socket chipset combo. The only problem you might have is you can't overclock.
Just picked up a GTX 960 4GB for $60. Good or bad deal?
>>85232909The 12700 has a stock 65W TDP. But if you run at that power limit, you'll see significant decreases in multithreaded performance. B660 allows you to unlock the power limits, in which case the chip can draw up to about 180W in multithreaded workloads. Not all B660s are created equal in terms of power delivery, so the chip might throttle or the VRMs might be running just inside the safe temp limits, etc
>>85232832If you knew what components they used for the VRM you could calculate it. It's not an easy calculation though.If you already have the board, throw some small copper heatsinks on the MOSFETs (and the other stuff, why not). Tweak the power limits until the VRM goes out of spec.If you don't already have the board, save up for a better one.
>>85232629Thats brilliant. If the GPU is SOOOOO power inefficient that the miners can't make money, then only gamers will be able to buy them at a price they're comfortable paying. Genius!Except Nvidia is a company that produces mining hardware, not gamers toys
>>85232973It's $60, so literally who cares
>>85232973what're you planning on mining with it?
is it normal for my gpu to be idling and still consuming 1gb of vram? seems a bit excessive
>>85233041Nothing, the hashrate is awful. I just want to play Source games
>>85233087It's probably just "allocated". When you fire up a game the game assets will take priority.
>>85233096yeah but ROI from $60 cost wouldn't be too bad
>>85233148makes sense, thanks.
I5 11400FMSI H51016GB DDR4 3200MHZGEFORCE RTX 3060 TI1350€VSRYZEN 5 3600MSI B45016GB DDR4 3200MHZRX 6660 XT1260€vsRyzen 5 3600MSI MAG Forge 100MMicro-ATX MSI B550M PRO-VDHRX 6600 Mech 2X 8Gsame ram1000€vsryzen 5 3600b450same ramrx 66001200€
>>8523326311400F and 3060Ti are vastly superior and well worth the money actually futureproof too if you are staying at 1080p high refresh or 60fps 1440p
>>85232973I paid 100 euros for mine and it was a bargain. Literally best price in the biggest used site my country has available. Good job anon.
>>85233264why is he called amd shill?
Is AMD Ryzen 7 series okay? It’s pretty old but then, I don’t need anything fancy, just something that works and isn’t Intel.
>>85233264Soon we'll have to start calling him tech gandolf with all that grey hair
I bought a 11700k this week but haven't opened it. Do they really run as hot as people say?
>>85233215I live in a university dorm so I have free electricity, yet even then this card will only make me $0.15 a day
>>85233329Only when running AVX512 code which is very rare on consumer systems.
>>85233329Return it, retard
>>85233302>isn’t Intel.I assume you think AMD is somehow different from Intel? Hint: it's not
>>85233329Send it back and get a 12th gen you fool.
>>85233367They bent the knee first, I cannot respect such cowardice.
>>85233356And replace it with what? 12th gen is more expensive and the microcenter by me doesn't have 10th gen.I do understand it's not "the best" but it's a processor and it processes.
>>85233302I don't like the 5800X. It's the hottest chip amd makes. I think 5600X, 5900X or a 12 gen intel
>>85233302anon Ryzen 7 doesn't mean shitthere are multiple chips across multiple generations sold as Ryzen 7including some that aren't even out yet
>>85233329>11700Ksurely you mean the 12700K...
>>85233263I feel like the H510 might throttle the 11400F some, or at least limit it to stock TDP which will have a small negative effect on performance, likely bringing it down to around 3600 levelsReally I'd say it's a decision between the first and third builds, where you have to decide whether the better graphics card is worth an extra 350 euros
>>85233329>11700kBut why? It's literally the worst value cpu. You could've went AMD, 10 gen or 12 gen
>>85232426I think it's pretty clear MSRP will never go back to being the way they were. Nvidia know launching the 3080 at $800 was the blunder of the century.
>>85233390The 12400 is as good as the best 11th gen CPUs for gaming according to the GN review. The 11700K is also a power hog to an unacceptable degree in my opinion. It was always bad and it's even worse now, comparatively speaking
>>85233390>it processesyeah, a housefire
On paper (and with normal prices good joke i know) if 3050ti is basically a 1660ti with the ability for dlss and all that fancy shit 1000/2000 cant do the new budget and 1080p king?
>>85229625Man, just get a pre-built, they're not THAT bad if you can get a good deal.
>>85233632there is no desktop 3050ti only laptop. it's on par with a 1650.
as far as cheap b450 motherboars go, should I look for something other than MSI A PRO MAX ?
>>85233650there are no good deals on prebuilts unless you count "buy now get a free rgb kb+m"
I'm about to give up on finding a 3080/ti and just get a 6900xt since they're almost always in stock here locally. Am I making a terrible decision for 1440p?
>>85233718No, you'll be more than fine
>>85233718No, that's a good card. 3080ti is in stock where I am, usually for like £1900 but the 3080 is a ghost.
>>85233700It's a fine board. Cheap but not flawed in any way not attributable to the low cost. However you should maybe reconsider your reasons for buying a B450 in 2022.
All the Alder Lake benchmarks are done with DDR5 RAM, how much is this ram boosting its performance
>250GB Samsung 860 EVO (SATA III)>512GB Kingston SSDNow+ (SATA II)Which should I use for my OS drive and which should I use for my games?
>>85233736I hate when reviewers just say "PBO". What type of PBO? Negative curve? Positive Curve? Per CCX?
>>85233748>All the Alder Lake benchmarks are done with DDR5 RAMThey're not. DDR5 actually often reduces (gaming) performance.
>>85233718It's fine but DLSS looks significantly better than other upscalers at 1440p. Maybe XeSS will make DLSS irrelevant (I hope so) by the time the 6900XT starts getting shredded by next gen games, but that's a gamble at this point. Still, the raw perf of the high end Radeon cards is good for last gen and crossgen titles 1440p
>>85233807What's the most recent single core cpu i can play around with
>>85233263>MSI H510check hardware unboxed b560 review>ryzen 5 3600em..
>>85233754I can understand that it's annoying from a scientific perspective (these people have obviously never been to university where experimental methods must be impeccably laid out even in undergrad), but you can basically just ignore the PBO results because the main result of enabling it is that your CPU fan speed is fast enough that your PC will achieve takeoff and then slowly float away. Neat but not really what I'm looking for in a PC
Someone's trying to sell me an i5-6th gen + GTX 960 build + basic peripherals for 600 USD. Is it worth it? Kinda new in pc building..
STILL WAITING FOR ITX MOTHERBOARDS SIRS
>>85233828still, it's important to mention what type of PBO. it would be like saying "Intel OC" but not mentioning the ghz or voltage.
>>85233853I wouldn't want to use it. A 960 = 1050 Ti without adaptive sync. Everything is relative to price though
>>85233653desktop 3050 is coming soonhttps://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3050/
All the new scaling tech acronyms: I'm can't keep up. Someone please explain.
>>85233955The only ones you need to know as a gaymer are FSR and DLSS.FSR: A "dumb" upscaler with a sharpening filter. Easy to implement, worse for image quality. AMD developed.DLSS: Uses neural networks to predict what the game will look like at higher resolutions. Hard to implement (massive training time/cost), better image quality. Still not as good as native obvs. Also offers fantastic AA if you run at native res. Nvidia developed.
>>85233926I'm not really planning to upgrade or anything. Just casual mid/low gaming on stuff that I didn't enjoy when I was a kid :(
>>85234009>Also offers fantastic AA if you run at native reshow do you set this up? like if you want to run natively at 1440p you set it to 4k and downscale it with dlss to 1440p?
>>85233031Mining hardware is toys
>>85234038It'll depend on the game. I'm not aware of any that allow you to select an actual render resolution (though I'd be happy to see an example). The "ultra quality" setting is pretty close to native AFAIK. Downscaling like you said would be more like a standard AA implementation - probably not worth the DLSS overhead vs. MSAA.
>>85233955Upscaling: Starting at a particular base resolution and creating a higher resolution image at the target resolution. Ex: 1440p --> 2160p"Mode": Various base resolutions scaling to the target resolution. 1440p --> 2160p vs 1080p --> 2160pDLSS 2.1+ : Exclusive to RTX cards. Highest quality, looks near native most of the time when using the Quality mode. Temporal method, and as such has excellent anti aliasing properties. Must be implemented into the game by developers. Available as a plugin for Unreal and UnityFSR: Usable by any graphics card. 4K on Ultra Quality mode looks near native. Spacial technique, applied after anti aliasing is performed by the game engine, so carries with it the flaws of whatever AA method the engine uses. 1440p Ultra quality is usable but visibly lower quality than DLSSTAAU: Unreal's built in temporal upscaling solution. Better than FSR but significantly lacking compared to DLSS.XeSS: Intel's platform agnostic DL upscaling technique. Temporal. A black box as of yet; the first implementation will probably be in Hitman 3. Uses a specific set of instructions that various GPUs might or might not have the capability to run at various performance penalties. Likely to be similar in quality to DLSS, or at least above TAAU, with slightly worse performance than DLSS, although significantly better performance than simply running at native
Is it safe to buy used graphics cards and, if so, where's the best place to get them? My gtx 970 died on me and anything new is WAY too expensive but I don't want something that's been worked to hell and back on mining, can't have that dying on me too
So i made a franken PC out of : i5 8400T (cpu from a junked hp all in one computer which worked), destroyed ROG case (basically just the frame), 750 semi modular corsair PSU, corsair H60 AIO, GTX 770/970 (two backup cards I have for older builds), will throw some 3200 ram in there minimum 16gb>>85229600the AIO should be able to cool the CPU (an extremely low power cpu which i will be using for work applications), but was wondering if there anything else I'm REALLY missing
>>85234087>I'm not aware of any that allow you to select an actual render resolutionyeah i haven't come across any game that let's you do that, it's extremely dumbed down. i wish you could tinker around with dlss. death stranding looks better with dlss than with native taa to me but it's the only game where that happens (mostly because the taa implementation sucks)
>>85230130did you check the cables?are you using a power strip or plugging directly into the wall?How many watts is your PSU? might not be enoughthis sounds like a power problem
>>85233955>>85234113Native vs Resolution Scaling vs TAAUhttps://imgsli.com/ODMxODg/0/2Native vs DLSS (ver 2.1 or better)https://imgsli.com/NjE2NjMhttps://imgsli.com/NzA3NTM>>85234038There are various ways, sometimes it's implemented as DLAA. Running DLSS in RDR2 is far preferable to running at native res because of the terrible AA in that game (and of course you get a performance boost as well)
>>85230295>>85230480why would you want the 12700 normal over the 12700k?jw
>>85234180Much cheaper for the same performance
I fucking give up, I'm not upgrading. I'm gonna chill with my R9 290, i7 4790k machine forever.
>>85234180Not overclocking. No need to pay for it plus a z690 board for no reason
>>85231145based af write upcan you share some of your 12700k settings, still tweaking mine, but love it
>>85234120ebay has really good buyer protection to the point where sellers are afraid of being scammedminer cards are often in better shape (undervolting, low temps, regular cleaning) than joe normos dusty caked up card, maybe you will need to change the fans though
>>85234204>>85234192nice, thanks for the honest responses
>>85234204hmm so what would be a good board for a 12700k then?im guessing the z690 handles the bells n whistles for overclocking the normal ones?
Where can I logically go from here?I didn't know about QVL when I built it years ago, so my RAM and motherboard do NOT play well with each other.My system is unstable as fuck because of it.I'd replace just the RAM with something from the QVL list, but most of those RAM options aren't available anymore.Should I just bite the bullet and replace the CPU, motherboard, and RAM?
>>85234473upgrade your bios, slap in a cheap 3rd gen ryzen, coast on that until gpu prices back to normal.
is the 970 EVO decent
>>85234473In addition to the other anon's suggestions, you could try tuning the memory. For example it might work fine at 3000Mhz or perhaps at 3200 at 1.4V.
>>85234625reddit says it gets up to 97c thoneed a 2tb m.2 drive that isn't trash but also doesn't cost $300
>>85234595asus said the motherboard doesn't supports ryzen 5000 tho
>>852346733rd gen is 3000 series.
>>85234655there shouldn't be any thermal throttling unless you're stuffing this in a mini itx with no airflow.
>>85233650Bro, fuck prebuilds.3060 systems are going for $1800+ CAD. I fucking hate this place
what SSD hasn't gotten cucked by parts changes with new revisions? it seems basically any drive I look up has been changed in some way, sn750 has gimped write speeds and the 970 evo plus reaches over 95c. it's amazing they can get away with this bait and switch bullshit
>>85229625>ETH goes POSNot going to happen. Nope. Stop with the "It's happening" shit. Show me it happening.
>>85234860The first testnet is already up
ive been able to upgrade every part of my original setup except the gpu>asus prime x-570 pro>ryzen 9 3900X>32gb 3600mhz ram>...................4gb RX570 gpuAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>85234882and it'll be riddled with issues, and shut down 'temporarily' to fix problems.There is a zero percent chance that coiners will let go of their GPU spending sprees. Zero. They'll find something else to mine.
>>85234655PCIE3 SSDs doesn't get that warm. The SN750 is good too and costs less.
>>85234899Why? You knew the market is fucked. By the time you can get a GPU an autist like you will probably need to buy new CPU as well.
>>85234916Like one of the shitcoins worth nothing?
Looking for a 27' 1440p ips monitor for gayming and general use that isn't photo editingPreferably something with better than nonexistent contrast/uniformityIt's gonna run on a 1070ti for a while and I'll also use it for my console so good performance at lower/variable refresh rates is neededis there a better current or upcoming monitor than the mag274qrf-qd for me?
>>85234925what about the original gen 3 sabrent rocket?
>>85235004>sabrentEnjoy your data loss.
>>85234930im not trying to stay on the latest edge of tech, and im not a gamer but it would be nice to be able to play some games not at 1080p at lowest settings
>>85234957Every single one of those fucking coins are shitcoins. Some are just more of a shitcoin than others.
>>85234009OK now what about the new DLDSR?
>>85235065I am sorry anon, the timing is simply fucked.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/12900k-patching-older-ucode-to-restore-avx512.1796070/#post-28929379>patching cpu microcode to re-enable AVX 512 support is that easyget fucked intel.this should work on MSI bioses as well, right?I mean it should be the same microcode for the cpu
>>85235345I'm sure the 6 people around the world who use AVX 512 will be delighted.
>>85230065>>85235542nzxt is literally some dude in his garage, youll be fine on your own
>>85235220i bought it in may 2017. I COULDVE bought a new gpu for christmas 2019 but didnt lol. fuck me now its almost 5 years old
should I update my 3060ti vbios for resizeable bar?12600k z690-a pro 3060ti here
>>85229625Not. My. Problem.
>>85235579it has performance improvements in certain applications and there’s no real downside to having it. I had a PNY 3060Ti that I cross flashed to the Revel model because they were taking their time with ReBar and it also gave me a higher power limit too so crossflashing has benefits if it interests you and you know what you’re doing.
>>85235579there is no downsideonly a couple of older games that are piss easy to run see a performance dropthat is if you know what you are doing of course
I want to swap my 3060ti for a 6700xt or 6800xt but they are much more expensive -_-
>>85235671>6700XTWhy, its basically a side grade?>6800XTWell duh its a 4K card and the 3060Ti is a 1440P card.
>>85235671why lmao? the 6700xt performs almost identically but has none of the nvidia featuresthe 6800xt is a sidegrade at best just wait for next gen at this point, the 3060ti is a super solid card
>>85235714>6800XT is a side grade to a 3060TiKys retard
>>85234120Where do you live? I have an extra 1080 that's been sitting in it's box since the 1080ti came out. Also have an extra 3060 now that I bought a 3090
>>85235732>paying 1000+ to get 30 or so more framerinos just do it then kek, i'd be more than happy with a 3060ti in this shitstorm some people dont know how good they have it
>>85235671save your money
>>85235777checkd and correct
what should be your fps cap for 240hz to minimize tearing? 238? 240? 250?assuming its stable with very rare, minor drops.
>>85236111leave it to freesync/gsync otherwise cap it 2-3 fps below your max
Is there a difference between the M_1 and M_2 slots on this board? I've had an NVMe drive in M_1 for a year and now I'm questioning whether or not it should be in M_2.
>>85236184with gsync disabled?
>>85236235the cap is if you don't have freesync/gsync or it goes outside of your vrr range.
>>85236219M2_1 is direct to CPU. It should be used first.
>>85236219it varies by how many drives you have occupied.
I bought a new laptop and I imagine it is a single 8gb stick, to upgrade the ram do I just buy another 8gb (max is 16gb for the laptop) or am I supposed to buy 2 new identical sticks?
>>85229600>1Q22: RTX 3070 TI 16 GBOh for fucks sake
>>85236424just buy with matching speed and clhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTS0ybQ3lCI
>>85236434it'll cost more than the launch 3080... lol
>>85236448Thank you, I'm super dumb with PC talk but I'm trying to get into it for when prices, if ever, get decent, at what point does one say "ok I need more ram?" I imagine CPU and GPU is straight forward enough.
>>85229991>>aliasing everywhere on all games>>flickering and shimmering of objects at all distancesrendering the game at low resolution/bad aa thingy/fucky 3d engine of the game>>ghosting of 3d modelsblur in the 3d engine or your shitty monitor that has ghostinglike most people already said itt>>85231499>so, eth goes pos, 20 million miner cards flood ebay, prices go through the floor, and i get my sub 50% msrp 3070implying they will sell below what retailers do and a slow ass trickling downmeanwhile the 4090 will start at 2000$this shit gonna be fucking ages before decent prices, if ever, with the inflation>>85234196only reason I bought new because my shit died and my hand was forced.. to get a fucking laptop>>85236424first of all you should have verified what kind of setup it had maybe it had 4gb soldered and a 4gb dimm or some weird shit like that?but otherwise yeah
>>85236219M2_1, direct to CPU as the other anon stated>>85236111Probably has to be experimentally determined for your game / monitor / level of perf that the system can provide, but up to 10% below the maximum refresh rate of the monitor. You might be able to get away with a cap close to max refresh if you're playing a game like Valorant>>85235671>I want to swap my 3060ti for a 6700xtRetarded, the 3060 Ti is better>>85235579Doesn't matter too much in my opinion. If you like tinkering / optimizing, why not. If your card has dual BIOS, there's almost no risk>>85235204It supplants DSR, and is more useful than DSR because the performance requirements are lower; i.e., you don't have to render at native 4K if you want to downsample from 4K to 1080p>>85234965>I'll also use it for my consolePlaystation hates 1440p, and Xbox is only mildly better. I would consider an HDMI 2.1 high refresh 4K monitor if you have a PS5 or SeX. Contrast on any IPS is pretty garbage, and if you're already considering spending $400+ on a monitor, might be worth waiting for the Odyssey G7 to go on sale for $550 again. It just went back to its normal price of $700. Not a great monitor for consoles in my opinion though>>85234836>what SSD hasn't gotten cucked by parts changes with new revisions?Any SSD that hasn't been out for long, so 980 non-Pro for instance>>85234473Hold out, pray that your B350 gets a Zen3 BIOS update. The first official 300 series BIOS updates that provide support for Zen3 just rolled out. By that time maybe the Zen3 chips will have received a price cut as well, to put them in line with what Intel is offering
>>85235796>>85235777Stop samefagging retard, and no, I don’t care for your inspect element garbage. >30 or so frames fucking cope retard. As this shows: >>85235780, a 32% performance uplift. So while you’re playing at high, I’m playing at ultra. While you’re at 1440p 60, I’m at 4K60 or 1440p165hz. Get fucked loser lol.
>>85234129Needs SSD if you don't already have one>>85234120The best replacement would be a used 3GB 1060. Not particularly useful for mining and similar perf to your 970, with the added bonus of Freesync support>>85234087>probably not worth the DLSS overhead vs. MSAA.DLSS has far less overhead than MSAA
>>85234038This is called DLDSR
>>85236716AMD has had super resolution for years NVIDIOT
>>85229625whatever this creature is, I like it
Someone on /v/ told me I should be using a second power cable for my gpu "instead of the pigtails off a single cable. The gpu can exceed the safe draw limit on a single cable like that and burn out the cable."is there truth to this or am I good?
>>85236702>DLSS has far less overhead than MSAAUnder normal circumstances sure. In the context of using DLSS to /downscale/ a render resolution, no. Putting the feasibility of such a proposition aside.
>>85236742That is completely true
>>85236742it's true but generally it's fine like thishowever, you are putting yourself at risk out of laziness there's no reason not to play it safe
>>85229879>you wouldn't want a super high end gpu with a 1080p panelwhy not? it saves you the hassle of having to upgrade for a very long time and who really needs more than 1080p?
>>85236734they're called rappies
>>85236742Depends on the PSU and cable. For the PSU, if it's a cheap multi-rail model, you could exceed the capacity of the rail. Hopefully triggering OCP. For the cable, if it's not thick enough to heatsink the resistive losses, then it could melt/short. Same applies to the connector. In practice this is only really a problem with either super cheap PSUs or in extreme OC situations. However there's no reason not to split the load just to be safe.
>>85236838my PSU is the Corsair RM750X 750W v2>>85236760>>85236791I guess I'll have to fix it then
>>85236853That's a single rail PSU, and a high end one at that, so you should be fine. Still, run a heavy GPU load and feel the cable. If it's warn, or hot, to the touch you should fix it immediately. If it's cool then you're fine - maybe fix it the next time you clean your PC.
>trying to install hyper 212 cooler>screws are a couple mm above the holes in the mb>turning the screws does nothingSeriously what the fuck. I followed the instructions correctly as far as I can tell and I used everything I was supposed to. The only way this could work now is of I apply enough downward force to make the screws catch, but it's already sliding around if I just try screwing.Can't even find a video showing installation because there's like 20 models with slightly different names and different mounting parts.
>>85236901>>screws are a couple mm above the holes in the mbpress down the screw, then turn it?
>>85235741Sorry for the late response, I live in Jacksonville Florida
>>85236886Thanks for the help. I'll get it done next time I clean it
>>85236730Oh look, it's a retard. Nvidia had DSR first, and AMD has never had a DLDSR equivalent
>>85236942Don't think I can, feels like if I apply any more force the cooler is gonna slide off the cpu entirely
>>85237092Take pictures of the situation and post em.
>>85237022Not him but ayy I'm in Florida too. I just recently sold my 1070 so unfortunately I can't offer that to you.
>>85236750>Putting the feasibility of such a proposition aside.It's literally called DLDSR, and it's less cost intensive than MSAA as far as I'm aware. MSAA is basically just rendering at a higher resolution
>>85237375Yeah that's what I'm getting at. DLSS isn't really designed to downscale so the overhead that /doesn't/ come from the higher render res will be higher than something designed to do that like MSAA or DLDSR. Just a silly hypothetical.
>>85237666Think about this>use DLSS to render at a higher than native resolution, e.g., 1080p-->1440p, which it basically does at no performance costvs>render native 1440p The resulting image is downscaled. Which one is cheaper?
>>85237756That's not the scenario I was referring to. The order is reversed. In my (or rather >>85234038's) scenario the frame is rendered /before/ DLSS is implemented - incurring all the performance cost. DLDSR is absolutely lower impact than MSAA but it's not what we were talking about.
>>85229879i'd take h670 mobo if you gonna do gaming and video editing. Price increase isn't that critical but you'll gain 2x bus speed increase.
>3060ti for 3200$