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How come Denmark has produced so many significant programmers?

>Bjarne Stroustrup, creator of C++
>Lars Bak, creator of the V8 JavaScript engine (used by Chromium browsers and Node.js)
>Rasmus Lerdorf, creator of PHP
>Anders Hejlsberg, creator of C#
>David Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails

(Yes I created this thread a few months ago as well, but I still find it interesting.)
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>>85227043
Denmark is really cold in winter
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I worked in a Danish startup, I met lots of brilliant people. Denmark has a culture of "small tech" - a couple of autists that get together and make something cool, then move on, no big companies involved. I like it
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>>85227043
>C++
>js
>php
>c#
Put Danes in extermination camp.
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>>85227066
Interesting. Although of course Lars Bak worked for Google (to make V8) and Anders Hejlsberg works for Microsoft (where he made C#)

And Bjarne Stroustrup works for Morgan Stanley. Wonder how much money he gets there.
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>>85227043
>DHH
>significant
literally BTFOed by muh server-side javascript
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>>85227043
Because Denmark is awesome.
Lego is a Danish company.
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>>85227056
True but the other Nordics are too. I guess Sweden has Notch (Minecraft) and the people who made Spotify. Finland obviously has Linus Torvalds. And Norway has... the Opera browser. Maybe there are some famous programmers from Norway but I don't know any off the top of my head.

Denmark just seems to have quite a few prominent programmers.
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>>85227224
All of those goofy faggots on the demo scene in the early 90s grew up. Tear to my eye.
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>>85227043
>How come Denmark has produced so many significant programmers?
The Danes are obviously enjoying the benefits of having a rich and diverse cultural melting pot.
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>>85227224
>and the people who made Spotify.
and Skype, and SoundCloud. Both services were ruined once they were bought out by mutt tech companies
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>>85227043
All cringe tier meme projects that brought nothing except pain. Every languge after C was a mistake anyway. Unix and C were made by 2 Americans, makes you think.
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>>85227224
Norwegians invented Object Oriented programming with the Simula language (but did not coin the term), and a Norwegian invented CSS while at CERN.
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>>85227043
What kind of dipshit would mention C# and not Turbo Pascal when talking about Hejlsberg?
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>>85227043
CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK CRUSH DENMARK
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Because Denmark is comfy.

Higher tax rate means:
* Everyone get free access to education. Depending on their grades - Datalogy, datascience, soft engineers all requires pretty low grades.
* Free healthcare
* You get money while studying (570$). Living in Aalborg and pays around 270$ in rent. I have 300$ to everything else. Copenhagen is hell tho.
* While it doesn't exist everywhere in Denmark. Janteloven is still pretty important for the majority of the population. This creates a more equal atmosphere.

Overall, there's a pretty wide safety net with a low amount of pressure. This enables people to create their own form of art using creativity. Whether it is programming, agriculture, medicine, etc. Societies developed with a more rigid thinking will have less of an impact pr. 100.000. So since we're a small, weak, but rich and cultural nation, we have to take care of each other. This enables those who might fail under pressure, If they grew up in other countries. To succeed here, while those who would succeed in other countries will also succeed in this society. Everyone benefits - but this system wouldn't be liable in burgerland. Everyone is too retarded and egotistical.

God damn I love Denmark.
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>>85227081
/thread
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>>85227224
>>85227255
>>85227267
>>85227974
i am very angry that none of you people know who terje mathisen is, arguable the best norwegian programmer of all time, if not the best in the world
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>>85227256
What you said makes no sense in regards to talented programmers.
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>>85229866
truth
burgerland is all about individualism and personal accomplishments. Funnily enough, they are also quick to yell about all the stuff that burgerland has invented, but none of them has taken part in.
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>>85229866

>Free healthcare
>Everyone get free access to education.
>Free

Why do europeons enjoy getting taxed up the wazoo?
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>>85231311
because that means I can spend my money as I want, without having to worry about some insane medical bill or funding my kids education
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>>85227043
>5 people
>significant
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>* Everyone get free access to education. Depending on their grades.

Ha ha.. No.. You are forced to pay taxes even though your child is being excluded from the system. You can't even spend that ax money for "custom" education help in case your child has a problem with reading, but otherwise really smart.


>* Free healthcare
No.. It isn't free. You pay a large percentage of your income every month to healthcare alone. And that will not even give you a first class healthcare system. Loooooong waiting times and queues and you still have to buy health insurance packages to be remotely covered on all fronts.

>* You get money while studying 570$...
It's money taken from people with force...Again, imagine your child having problems reading, get's excluded from higher education due to lack of education possibilities for people with those problems. Your child now has to work and get forced to pay a "salary" to the other people, who's education they didn't contribute shit to themselves in the first place and working people are forced to pay for.

These people then go out and get government jobs that is payed for be your child's hard earned money. Your child has to work and can't help your grandchildren with homework, repeating the cycle. Leftist welfare paid city commies have created a government subsidized class rift.

All because they monopolized normal working class peoples education choices.

Think about it!
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>>85227081
its autism it makes sense to them but not to other people.I hate those languages especially the syntax
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>>85227056
Norway has the creator of CSS, and the creators of Simula, the first programming languages that introduced “objects” and was what inspired C++
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>>85231544
Amerifag
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>>85227081
fuck u, js and c++ are based af.U're just too retarded to be dominated by chadjeets anon.
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>>85231544
Re-written version, for easier reading:

Your child has a problem with reading.
You can't afford giving your child specialized help with their education, because you are forced to pay for other's education.

Your kid didn't do well with their grades because they had a reading problem and is now excluded from further education.

Your kid is now working a blue collar job, paying taxes to other peoples education, despite being excluded him/herself.

But on top of that, your kid also have to work hard to pay for these people student's government given "salary", A salary only given to "higher education students".
Your blue collar kid however, get's no such thing.

These privileged kids from higher educations, now get high paying government jobs, that is ALSO payed by the taxes of your kid's hard labor. And so is their healthcare!

Because your kid was excluded from further education, your kid can't help their future kids with homework etc.
And because the blue collars are taxed so hard, they can't afford to buy extra educational help for their kid.

All this leads to increased chances of repeating the cycle.

And because of the forced taxes payed to a system that exclude you, there isn't any choice but to use government education in Denmark.

Your kid has been made a slave by leftists politics, driven by big city people, who never worked a day in their life.
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>>85232146
Nope, Dane here,

Ask any Dane about what happens if your grade score isn't high enough.

Then ask if you still have to pay for a system you are, or your kid are being excluded from.
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>>85229866
tbf it doesn't even work that well in norway. denmark is awesome.
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>>85232234
> You can't afford giving your child specialized help with their education, because you are forced to pay for other's education.

Every retard kid gets that for free in Scandinavia. You are talking out of your ass amerifag.
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>>85232269
>amerifag
he sounded more like a kike anon, a kike who loves the neoliberal globohomo order
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>>85232269
First of. If there is any help given, it wasn't free. You pay taxes.

Why are some people/ you, this stupid?

And no, kids don't get that specialized one on one help. That is something you have to pay for yourself, because you sure as fuck ain't going to get it in the 30+ student classrooms.
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>>85231544
>>85232234
thank you for giving us Ben Shapiros stance on this, can you give us yours now bro?
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>>85232299
> And no, kids don't get that specialized one on one help.

They do. My cousin is dyslectic. Got taken out of danish classes with 2 other dyslectic kids and got specialized help.
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>>85232299
> 30+ student classrooms
Max is 25 students per class up to high school by law. Uneducated fool keeps digging up facts from his ass!
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>>85232325
Hvad er forkert ved disse udsagn?
Prøv at tænk lidt over hvad der egentligt bliver sagt.

Du må være en svagsindet folkeskole elev eller retarderet wannabe kommunist fra et gymnasie i København, hvis du ikke er i stand til at adressere reel konstruktiv kritik.
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>>85232299
>And no, kids don't get that specialized one on one help
Burgerclaps in absolute disbelief at the existence of one on one help.
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>>85232333
Helt klart, bro. For det er jo alt der skal til for at hjælpe ALLE børn. Kan du undgå at betale skat til videregående uddannelser, hvis dit barn ikke er smart nok?
Kan dit barn få SU selvom de ikke kan gå på gymnasiet, men må arbejde i Fakta i stedet.

Hvem betaler SUen? Hvem betaler for f.eks. Gymnasiet?
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>>85232377
Endnu en edgy Gymnasie elev. :P
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Hold kjeft jævla dansker
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>>85232347
https://www.tv2lorry.dk/lorryland/mange-elever-stuves-sammen-i-gymnasieklasser

https://www.folkeskolen.dk/1883996/finanslov-klasseloft-saenkes-til-26-elever-i-de-yngste-klasser#:~:text=For%20f%C3%B8rste%20gang%20i%20n%C3%A6sten,klasse.

Som du kan se, har der været regler som gjorde at de kunne gå over 28 elever, hvilket har været grunden til at man har været nødt til at skærpe loven.
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>>85232234
I don't know how it works in Denmark, but in Norway you also get free schooling for blue collar jobs. You can become an electrician, mechanic, carpenter etc in high school, where you do 2 years of schooling, and then you do 2 years of practical work and training in the field for a company. You are also paid while doing the practical work and training. By the time you are 18-19 years old you are fully trained and employed in your blue collar field. Because of this you will have a significant income at a young age. Some are able to gain really good wages by working on oil platforms or boats, basically making 100k USD at 19-20 years old as an electrician or pressure specialist etc.

Meanwhile those who go to university have no employment prospects right after high school, and will have to spend their 20s studying and either working shitty retail jobs or taking up loans to pay for living expenses. A significant income won't be available until mid twenties, and for many it takes time to get a relevant job in their field of study, and will have spent their youth being much poorer than their blue collar counterpart.

Those who take the blue collar route usually buy houses and property much earlier, and establish families much earlier. Considering the value of property and how good of an investment it is, they are able to build a good amount of wealth fairly quickly. Meanwhile those with bachelors and masters will buy houses much later in life and lose out on the investment gains for owning property. And when calculating total money made trough life, white collar workers with degrees won't catch up until their late 30s-40s. Doctors won't catch up against blue collar workers until their 50s because you have to study for a long time.

Overrall the difference in pay between white collar and blue collar is much smaller in Scandinavia than it is compared to the US.
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>>85232347
>>85232452

Her er et lille uddrag af hvad TV2lorry.dk skriver:

- Det er meget svært at nå alle niveauer og lave differentieret undervisning, når der sidder mange elever i klasserne.

Også eleverne frygter, det går ud over det faglige niveau:

- Når man sidder 30 elever, så er det altså ikke mange minutter per elev i hvert modul. Det rammer både de fagligst svage, der kræver lidt ekstra hjælp, og de fagligt stærke, der kræver en ekstra udfordring, siger Jens Philip Yazdani, formand for Danske Gymnasieelevers Sammenslutningtil Berlingske.

Så nu hvor du er blevet irettesat af en som faktisk ved hvad de snakker om, så kunne det jo være at du skulle tie stille ind til din hjerne er færdigudviklet?
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>>85232458
It depends what you study at uni. If you study humanities or similar retarded stuff then your salary will be bang average taking student debt into consideration. After uni as a computer engineer I get 800k NOK p/y starting salary
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>>85227081
Maybe you’re just dumb lol
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>>85232534
Hvem betaler det?
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>>85232458
> Meanwhile those who go to university have no employment prospects right after high school, and will have to spend their 20s studying and either working shitty retail jobs or taking up loans to pay for living expenses. A significant income won't be available until mid twenties, and for many it takes time to get a relevant job in their field of study, and will have spent their youth being much poorer than their blue collar counterpart.

Denmark works like that in most ways too.

In many ways, this a more fair way. But... The oil rig working young man are still paying taxes for the University guys education.
Your life is at high risk at an oil rig. Not so much at the dorm room.
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>>85232565
Visma. Konsulent avdelingen, ikke regnskapsføring avdelingen. Rolig 250kr timen intern lønn i sommer også
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>>85232587
>Visma
Turbokikes
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>>85232219
>js is "le based"
aside from your 4chaneddit upboat, i have no fucking idea how anyone can find js good in any possible way. even lua is a better scripting language
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>>85232347
Og lige en til fra den artikel:

"Klasserne bliver ifølge Annette Nordstrøm Hansen overfyldt, fordi man regner med, at nogle elever vil droppe ud."

Hvem tror DU der er mest sandsynlighed for, at de dropper ud?

De "faglig svage"...

Har du forstået det nu, eller er du forblindet at venstreorienteret propaganda?
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>>85232252
Even if you failed every single class your entire life, there is still a ton of educations with no requirements, sure you can't get into university or become a doctor but those are for fags anyway
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>>85231311
>Why do europeons enjoy getting taxed up the wazoo?
Because my tax money gives me so much in return. Also I have enjoyed the various and amazing benefits for years, so I am happy to pay some of it back to a society that have given me so much.
As the bible says:
>Give, and you shall receive
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>>85232534
>After uni as a computer engineer I get 800k NOK p/y starting salary

That is a very rare starting salary for computer engineers. The usual is 550-600 nok these days.
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>>85232792
>Because my tax money gives me so much in return
Yes, you get to enjoy infinite brownies racking up the crime rate in your country ten fold. It's definitely worth it.
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>>85232781
Flot, du ignorerede det reelle spørgsmål.

Fucking skoletasker, I forstår ikke en skid.
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>>85232792
>As the bible says:
>Give, and you shall receive

Except you don't receive what is promised. Much of it is given to people who hate you and never contributes anything.
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>>85232570
>Your life is at high risk at an oil rig

Not at all. In the early days North Sea oil rigs could be risky, but these days its very safe. They work for 2 weeks, then have 4 weeks off. And the work they do for those 2 weeks is mostly just making sure everything works as it should, doing checks and basic maintenance. Its all automated these days, there is little to no manual work other than operating some machines.
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>>85232821
Depends. After 5 years at NTNU the real coding skills of graduates is laughably terrible. I’m in my 4th year. Most of my peers can’t use the command line, still think pointers in C are scary and the list goes on. If you are a non baseddev you will get a bunch of offers from companies after your third year. My friend who’s even more autistic than me gets mails on a monthly basis from companies
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>>85232864
So the oilrig is no more dangerous than the dorm room...? STFU.

I guess your body don't get taxed harder on an oil rig, compared to the dorm room either?
S T F U and get out of here! :P
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>>85232875
>can build software
>and real systems, because real engineering
CS administrators too afraid of having their ass handed to them to hire me
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>>85227043

Curious to know if there is some ethnic or cultural demograph to support this.
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>>85227043
it makes me very angry to see what the west has become, the sissyfication of our civilization will be our doom, china-supported goat fuckers will throw most of us from buildings once they take control in a few years, truly depressing..
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Hvorfor er det kun sådan noget hyperautistisk lort vi har lavet? Det er jo slet ikke fedt.
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>>85233318
Nah, the world is heading towards a bugman dystopia. All of what's happening is preparation for the next 2-3 generations after us to be herded into smart cities where their lives will be micro managed by advanced surveillance tech and social credit systems. There will be two classes of people, the herded cattle that will own nothing and be 'happy', and the ruling class which will own literally everything.
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>>85231260
It was sarcasm since there's a war against the West going on.
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>>85232368
>floorgen borgen smörgen
i can use google translate too anon, now tell us what you really think
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>>85233318
and this is exactly how right wing elites brainwash low IQ whitoids into punching down instead of punching up for collective good
Keep at it goy, it is definitely the immigrants' fault why a woman wouldn't look at you twice
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>>85227081
Brazil unironically has the best track record for creating languages
>Lua
>Elixir
>Lean
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>>85231311
>Why do europeons enjoy getting taxed up the wazoo?
We generally don't feel like we're getting taxed, because we actually have decent wages, even after it's taxed. It might be hard for americans to understand.
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>>85234618
>and this is exactly how right wing elites brainwash low IQ whitoids into punching down instead of punching up for collective good
>low IQ whitoids
you're doing the exact thing buddy...
>Keep at it goy
atleast you know who the real enemy is...
> it is definitely the immigrants' fault why a woman wouldn't look at you twice
you definitely don't want me to talk about validation, it's the reason you cry yourself to sleep every night and why you consider doing the transition...

you're also mixing everything up, we can be angry at the cause AND at the result, we all know who is behind all this, it's written on wikipedia, they talk about it during interviews, it's not evern a conspiracy as it's happening in broad daylight everywhere in the west;
I can also hate the fact that their strategy is working, goat fuckers WILL storm europe and the US, it's part of their nature to genocide everyone, I can fight against them and also reject capitalism, communism and other similar forms of absolute non-sense.
we know very well how to build the perfect civilization to thrive for millenium, it won't happen because of greed and you're defending this greediness because the frontline (aka scapegoat) are proletarians from middle-east...



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