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Previous: >>85217660
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intel shill thread ignore
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P_AGv-DJbU

OH NONONONONONO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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"Leaked"
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>>85226795
goodbye, ayyymd
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>>85226783
Sirs ples dont redeem ryzen
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>>85226804
$700 for -2% csgo
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did ANYONE buy this or see it irl
it has all the features that I need but whatever that triangle garbage is meant to be looks clumsy af
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>>85226814
>$700
source?
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>>85226823
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reminder for ayyymd to cope
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>>85226818
that is ugly as fuck
what features do you need/budget do you have
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>this thread
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>>85226818
just get a 4000d airflow like every normal idiot here
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>>85226797
>unironically linking intel nexus videos
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I have 350$ what cpu+ram+cooler+sata ssd combo can I get for that?
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>>85226804
>>85226835
>>85226850
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AMDisaster crashing and burning
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>>85226867
the fuck is this image supposed to convey schizo
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>>85226866
Oh yeah I need a good ssd for my OS and I'm getting the MB for free
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>>85226874
It pretty much confirms that the 5800x3d will cost under $200
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>>85226880
>5800x3d for <$200
ayyyymd is now coping by living in an alternative reality
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>>85226856
there's nothing wrong with the 4000D
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>>85226845
do you find glass panel or front panel ugly I'm a big fan of frontal penis design while this triangle shit is what makes it confusing
>>85226856
fuck c*rsair
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>>85226866
>>85226877
What motherboard?
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>>85226797
>biggest AMD shill on the planet admits defeat
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>>85226836
the one in your picture, I think is the 65W in the benchmark which actually scored just above the ryzen 7 5800x that is in the same price point. So your image is wrong.
Anyways, since time began I can only remember seeing AMD get owned by intel. AMD will forever be the budget option, not sure why they raised their prices.
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>>85226897
>nothing
lack of front IO
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>>85226903
I can get any (Under 240$) so it depends on my build
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>>85226898
the front is ugly, the side glass is ugly, you have pretty shit taste
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>>85226920
nice retard take you got there
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>>85226920
lmao seethe harder
https://www.techspot.com/review/2391-intel-core-i7-12700/
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>>85226927
>USB 3
>USB C
>Headphone
you need more?
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>>85226920
are you retarded?
protip anon, try to remember things that happened more than 5 minutes ago.
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>>85226938
>>85226936
>>85226951
baited for this exact response
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>>85226951
Stop posting on this board. You are getting trolled. These people actually have that little to do.
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>>85226951
+ AMD has been consistently outperforming intel in multithreaded since 2017
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Quick Question - I've just set up a rig, and it's not outputting any display via onboard VGA. It does not have a GPU card, but just VGA output from the Mobo. The rig is new - is there something I've missed?
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>>85226967
Not only that, AMD always has more cores for the price compared to intel, which assists greatly in multitask processes. Their motto was literally "more cores" a few years ago.
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>>85226977
what's your cpu?
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im sorry /g/
i lost the wait game
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>>85227008
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>>85226867
those chink shill are making amd look bad haha
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>>85227008
well, what did you buy?
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>>85226985
i think you just answered my question - i didn't look to see if the CPU had integrated graphics, which it does not.
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>>85226985
another question then - can you recommend me a bare minimum GPU if all I want to do is browse the web/youtube?
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Are there any games at all that can utilize a GPU with 16gb of vram? My only idea is maybe a Bethesda game modded to hell and back with a bunch of 4k texture crap.
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>>85227029
GT 740
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>>85227029
1030, make sure its the DDR5 model.
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>>85227020
is this bait or are you actually genuinely retarded
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>>85227050
7** series aren't supported anymore
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>>85227052
1030 is $150 for me, where as GT710 is $90. thoughts?
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>>85227029
if you can get 1050ti for 150
get it
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https://twitter.com/OneRaichu/status/1481893326425292800
Raptor Cove upgraded cache:
P-core L2: 2MB (up from 1.25MB)
E-core quad-core cluster L2: 4MB (up from 2MB)
L3 slice: 3MB
Total L2+L3: 8*2 + 4*4 + 12*3 = 68MB
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>>85227029
iGPU, APU
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>>85227029
An AMD cpu with integrated graphics
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Guys, I have i5 6600 + RX 480(8gb) + 8GB of 2133 ram - What should I upgrade first?
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>>85227084
this shits going to be like 300sqmm and slower than zen 4 lol
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>>85226929
>>85226866
That's really a strange mindset. Usually you want to spend as little as possible on motherboard so you can get a higher tier gpu or cpu. Also there's no real cost savings with going sata anymore.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lb7jj2
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>>85227100
Your gf
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>>85227092
I'd have to change Mobo. I want to spend as little money possible on this.
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>>85227100
nothing
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>>85227100
>+8gb ram
>cpu
>monitor
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>>85227100
I'm surprised you aren't having issues with only 8 gb ram. I hope it's dual channel at least.
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>>85227123
is 2133 ram really slow? it's unfortunately the max speed my mobo accepts, so to upgrade the ram, i'd need a new mobo, but i have a feeling that's a big part of what is bottlenecking my rig.
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>>85227133
I had 2x8gb stick and one of the ram channels died last week. :( I went from 50+fps in RDR2 to
less than 30....
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>Say what again? The processor in the blue box is better and cheaper?
>It's alright, the red box one looks cooler and I have money.
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>>85227100
For gaming? GPU would make the biggest impact.
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>>85227136
yes that ram is slow and 8GB is small
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>>85227136
no, it's mainly because 8gb is not enough
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>>85227153
extremely based
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>>85227154
MSI afterburner, in the overwhelming majority of games, reports my CPU as 100% utilized, while my GPU is at like 12%. I dont care much for graphical fidelity, but smooth framerates, so i have everything turned down to help achieve that.
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>CPU: $600
>GPU: $1000
>Motherboard: $50
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>>85227174
For what games? That sounds more like a driver issue.
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>>85227136
>i have a feeling
Don't feel, know. Use MSI Afterburner + Riva Tuner to see where the bottleneck is. If your GPU is at full utilization, it's the GPU
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>>85227153
>>85227177
>>85226867
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>>85227122
do you mean nothing until prices change? because price is having a huge effect on what i think at the moment. except that CPU's and RAM are still reasonably priced....
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>>85227196
Your system is fine enough to wait for next gen 5nm cpus and gpus
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>>85227196
what is your budget?
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>>85227133
i used 8gb 2666mhz for a while and it really isn't noticeable when doing mundane tasks and web browsing (tabs that are not actually being displayed don't do much), of course recent games that actually used 100% of the ram were a stutterfest.
t. 32GB
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>>85227177
>psu: $30
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>>85227192
well in that case, it's definitely CPU. when ever games start to lag or chug or drop in framerate, it's ALWAYS that my CPU is at 100% and not my gpu. can I keep the same CPU and upgrade (more and faster) ram to notice a difference?
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>>85227196
just sell your old parts and buy new ones. your cpu is 7 years old
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>>85227153
This is the real conversation going on in my head. Yes, I am aware intel is better, but its not as cool as having an AMD system.
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>>85227153
>>85227177
>>85227227
time to upgrade from fx series zhang
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>>85227188
>what games lag?
pretty well every game that my rig struggles with, MSI reports 100% CPU utilisation, and almost no GPU use (i run most stuff at 720p)
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>>85227222
>can I keep the same CPU
Probably not worth
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>>85227241
It sounds like an issue with your video card, as in it's just not being used properly.
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>>85226836
damn intel, even if 6900X had 15% ipc from 5900X, it still doesn't justify paying almost 2x more
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>>85227188
he is using a 6th gen 4 core 4 thread cpu, even on a 8th gen games with Denuvo shit get cpu bottlenecked, and first hand i know Monster Hunter World runs like shit on 4 8th gen cores
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>>85227246
how would you suggest that I test / troubleshoot this situation?
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>>85227248
*7900X
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>>85227214
Well you're on a dead platform so a b660 or b550 board and a new alder lake or zen3d would be where I'd start. Not really worth it to go for a high end chipset or new memory if your current 2x8 kit works.
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>>85227263
i'm not him, just answering that 8gigs is a non issue for non-gaming mundane shit
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>>85227110
Thanks, I don't need a psu however
MB is the only thing I can get now and pay for it later which is good for a europoor like me
I was thinking about either z590 or x570 and a better cpu in a year because I really dislike win11 and e-cores works like shit on win10
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>>85227241
Increase resolution so that the CPU doesn't choke, numbnuts
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>>85227292
sorry, i'm pretty new to all this, but you're saying a higher resolution will choke my CPU less? can you point me in a direction where I can learn how that makes sense? is the low res making my CPU work harder somehow?
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>>85226836
>>85227248
>>85227262
ayyyymd just can't compete unless they bring 5900x/7900x to $300 which they never will be able to. 7900x will guarantee to cost more than 5900x. Mark my words, zen4 will be a BUNK
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>>85227309
>7900x will guarantee to cost more than 5900x
its also guaranteed to be faster than anything from raptor lake
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>>85227177
what about the case?
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>>85227309
boo hoo nigger poorfag
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>>85227321
*for 2x the cost
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>>85227305
More GPU load = lower framerate = CPU works less
A lot of games will choke/stutter when your CPU is maxxed out or they hit the engine limit, so the idea is to balance CPU and GPU load such that the CPU isn't pegged to 100%
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>>85227100
the base of your system
go for the basic bitch:

-12400
-b660
-16gb ddr4 ram, 3200cl16 or better
-nvme ssd (if you already have a decent sata ssd you could skip this)

your gpu is fine for 1080p
JustWait(TM) for gpu prices to improve, then upgrade that too, along with your monitor
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>>85227331
Source?
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>>85227336
thanks. that does make sense. I do play with Vsync on.
Am I pretty much fucked if when I turn all options down to lowest values that the CPU is still maxed out?
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>>85227357
you dont need source 5900x is already almost 2x cost of 5900x. im comparing raptorlake's counterpart to 7900x. not 5900x to 7900x
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>>85227360
your cpu is 4c/4t, right?
and you only have 8gb of pretty slow ram
you need to deal with those problems first
lots of people do very well on 1080p with rx480s
you won't be playing AAA titles on ultra at 144hz, ofc
but after a cpu/ram upgrade you should be ok
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>>85227366
>5900x is already almost 2x cost of 5900x
*5900x is already almost 2x cost of 12700f
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>>85227357
his ass
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>>85227377
Because the 5900x is unlocked and has 12 real cores
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>>85227347
those are pretty new parts? my local doesn't have those CPU or mobos yet. But I get it, i need a CPU and Ram upgrade. Someone mentioned 5nm coming up - how long is the wait?
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>>85227389
end of this year
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>>85227389
Long wait, not until the second half of the year, I'd just get something now if I were you.
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>>85227388
12 real bulldozer cores
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>>85227388
and we come back to this >>85226836
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>>85227407
t.
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>>85227360
>if when I turn all options down to lowest values that the CPU is still maxed out?
You want to do the opposite if you're in a situation where the GPU is barely being used, turn up resolution and settings that affect GPU. CPU work is per frame, regardless of resolution. V-sync is pretty terrible, so disable V-sync in game and force Enhanced Sync from the Radeon driver. You'll see tearing in place of the judder, which is caused by V-sync crashing the game to 30FPS (half-sync) when it can't maintain 60. Better yet buy yourself a decent high refresh monitor that can use adaptive sync so that you don't have to worry about tearing or V-sync judder
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>>85227412
Dont give a shit nigger, never buying cucked atom cores no matter how hard you shill
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>>85227282
There's very little benefit to x570 over a good b550 board. The cpu I recommended doesn't have any e-cores. If you don't need a psu then sticking with alder lake and no e-cores.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P2psHz

Unfortunately there are no budget Zen 3 cpus right now. The 5600x would need to drop in price a lot to fir your budget. Zen 2 would only be an option if you're doing mulithreaded workloads.
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>>85227425
>it's ok as long as amd does it
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>>85227428
>Unfortunately
Unfortunate for you. AMD will make lots of money from not dropping the price.
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>>85227441
Seethe while AMD still offers better cores and better multithreading
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jews win again.
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>>85227422
thank you for explaining that - i would never have figured that out on my own.
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>>85227441
e-cores are a good idea, but the current scheduler is really not leveraging them well. It's as simple as p-cores run active window, e-cores run everything else.

>>85227447
True, it's a smart business move and good for my shares, but not for the consumer.
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>>85227389
12400 and b66 should see wide availability within a couple of weeks
the next best thing would be zen4 or raptor lake, at the end of the year
imo just wait the 2 weeks
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>>85227454
and we come back to this >>85227309
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1645735-REG/asus_tuf_rtx3070ti_o8g_gaming_geforce_rtx_3070_ti.html
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>>85227464
>e-cores are a good idea
No they arent, its cost cutting mobile phone shit
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>>85227473
Nah they're a good idea and we'll see more of it from everyone
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look who's the jew now?
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>>85227471
you keep seething and giving yourself (you)s trying to convince anyone of your retarded opinions, pathetic
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>>85227407
TRUE CORE
I DONT KNOW WHY
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>>85227480
>I LOVE COST CUTTING MOBILE PHONE SHIT
at least you are admitting you are retarded
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>>85227473
You have a power limit of 65w and you can't get to a denser node. You only need so many full function cores, so how do you squeeze the most performance out of the remaining die space and power?
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>>85227490
lol you can't fight the future. This is the future and everyone wants it but you
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>>85227490
They tried and failed to improve their architecture and node for years now. You can another gen of Skylake instead?
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>>85227492
By not being a kike and giving people 16 high performance cores with hyperthreading, intel has a 16 core die with only 16 p cores, they just reserve it for the datacenter, because they are kikes and dumb inteldrones will buy whatever garbage they shit out on them
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>>85227483
>>85227325
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>>85227503
I'm expecting 13th gen to be another 11th gen
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This is my build currently. I was powering a 1600x900p monitor that has since entirely died. The panel just went out one day and that's that. My question is do you think I could power a 240HZ 1080p panel with this build? I know it won't be pretty, but will I still get acceptable frame rates? Also, is my CPU worth getting a new cooler for? I know my CPU is capable of 4.9GHz, but it just gets too hot on my cheap cooler.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2TdQ3Z
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>>85227523
see >>85227325
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>>85227502
>All the goyim are asking us to sell us atom cores
>no its not because we are cost cutting incompetent kikes that cant compete with amd
>we are just giving the goy- i mean people what they are asking for
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>>85227523
check the caps on the psu board
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>>85227529
>>85227516
absolutely seething
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>>85227530
Like I said. This is where it's going.
Well I guess it's just waiting a few years for you to cry about why AMD's fake cores are better than intel's lol
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>>85227529
what?
>>85227531
Yeah I did and apparently the fix is simple enough. However I've been spoiled because my friend let me use his "backup" 60HZ 1080p monitor and it blew the picture quality of my 900p panel away. This cheap 1080p panel wasn't even IPS either. I don't mind building new if I have to, but I'd like to stretch this build as much as I can.
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>>85227523
>My question is do you think I could power a 240HZ 1080p panel with this build?
need new gpu for acceptable frame rates
but you can still play geam in lower res
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>>85227555
>I'd like to stretch this build as much as I can.
are you jewish?
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>>85227549
You do realize that AMD holds patents in tons of shit that never sees the light of day in the consumer front right? Even if AMD were to create a little arch it would probably be relegated to mobile where it fucking belongs
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>>85227555
>what?
amdrone melty
ignore him
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>>85227579
you do realize that thats bait right lol?
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I have $4000 to spend on a beefy gaming pc that I want to last for >4 years.
Redpill me on 3080 Ti vs 3090 Ti. I wouldnt mind spending $300 more for better future-proofing but if the 3080 Ti is very solid then I will go with that instead.
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>>85227564
well I'm willing to play at low game settings to maintain >70fps if possible. I'll also make use of the resolution scaling and what not.
>>85227573
Go shitpost somewhere else for fuck's sake
>>85227579
why are people wasting their time shitposting in this fucking thread?
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>>85227590
Don't need to wait on the RTX 3090 Ti for 24GB memory (for le futureproofing); the current 3090 does that.
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> $300 more
The 3080ti goes for $1800 and the 3090 goes for $2500. The 3090ti will most likely go for $3000.
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>>85227602
Ah sorry, I meant 3080 Ti vs 3090. I dont care about 3090 Ti.
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>>85227590
>>85227616
what resolution are you intending to game at? If 4K, you're going to want to go the path of the 3090 for more VRAM. If the 3080Ti is around the same price as the 3080, then get the Ti. Otherwise, just get the bog standard 3080 because the extra GB of RAM doesn't really change performance all that much at all.
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>>85227596
>why are people wasting their time shitposting in this fucking thread?
goy piss off chink
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/intel-deletes-reference-xinjiang-after-backlash-china-2022-01-11/
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>>85227625
I am intending to get a 4K monitor later down the road.
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>>85227370
thanks. i think i'll probably do that. I'll upgrade Mobo / CPU / Ram, and because i'm not after the cutting edge stuff, probably just buy sooner rather than later.
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>>85227523
>My question is do you think I could power a 240HZ 1080p panel with this build?
Not really, the GTX 580s are extremely weak and lack adaptive sync. CPU is fine as is. Overclocking won't get you much extra performance, but it'll still give you good frame rates in a lot of games. My thought would be to sell the 580s for $50 a piece and then buy a stopgap card like 1060 with the monitor you want
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>>85227639
then get the 3090. You'll need the VRAM to properly push 4K.
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>>85227628
>Intel
>goy
Lmoa
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>>85227625
>muh vram
retarded
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>>85227657
I'll end up keeping my GTX 580's as history pieces if anything. Would my CPU bottleneck a newer card like an RTX 3060Ti? Those are PCIe 4.0 cards are they not? Would it run fine on my PCIe 3.0 motherboard or will the bandwidth difference hold the card back.
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>>85227596
>Go shitpost somewhere else for fuck's sake
your system is 10 years old and slow, its not going to magically become fast with a new cpu cooler.
in about six months try to get a pair of used 1070's and get a new AMD or Intel platform so it maintains the spirit of the original build.

>>85227657
I mean a 1060 gives the same theoretical performance as the twin GTX580s without the losses.
not as cool as the twin cards though.
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>>85227688
The only card worth buying right now is the 6600 because its the only one ever remotely close to msrp
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>>85227688
your cpu would bottleneck it before you would have to worry about a PCIe bottleneck
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>>85227688
>would a 2600k bottleneck a 3060 ti
yes
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>>85227688
>Would my CPU bottleneck a newer card like an RTX 3060Ti?
Yes. PCIe gen doesn't matter much but a 3060 Ti would be a waste with a 2600K. If you're aiming for a 3060 Ti, just do a complete rebuild. What is your budget? A 3060 Ti sells for almost $1K
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>>85227719
What about a 12700, would it bottleneck a 3080?
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>>85227731
Your PSU would be the biggest bottleneck
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>>85227710
Microcenter by me has the RTX 3060Ti for $500 right now. It's a rather base model, but still a 3060Ti. I have bad experiences with AMD GPU's and associated software/drivers.
>>85227704
>your system is 10 years old and slow
which is why I was asking about a potential new cooler to try and get my CPU out of the way of the GPU. There's a decent difference between a bone stock i7 vs a 4.8GHz one. I know it's not magically going to make my computer modern, but there's a lot that can be saved spending $50 to $100 on a new cooler vs a brand new build.
>>85227712
>>85227719
>>85227727
well fuck. Since we're on this subject, are new Intel CPU's similar to their Sandy/Ivy ones? Meaning you can get around 30% more clock speed out of them compared to stock?
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>>85227773
The motherboards overclock shit themselves now.
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>>85227773
people are having fun overclocking them
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>>85227773
>RTX 3060Ti for $500
where ?
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>>85227177
>CPU: $400
>GPU: $1350
>Motherboard: $150
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>>85227790
Microcenter. They have a one GPU per customer rule and they can only be purchased in person, no online sales or reservations.
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>>85227804
Any microcenter has this rule? I live next to the one in tustin, CA. Could I drive down there tomorrow and pick up a 3060 for 500?
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>>85227347
>3200cl16
Does a smooth brain need to know what cl16 means?
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>>85227832
yea Microcenter doesn't ship CPU's or GPU's online. According to their website, the CA location doesn't have any RTX 3060Ti's in stock. They do have an Asus RX 6600 XT for $500 though. Or a 1660Ti for $430
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>>85227834
nah, you should be able to filter by cl in your store of choice
and the kits should say their cl value in their specs
you want 16 or lower
18 would be fine for 3800mhz or more
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>>85227773
>Microcenter by me has the RTX 3060Ti for $500 right now
They're lying to you

>are new Intel CPU's similar to their Sandy/Ivy ones?
No, CPUs come clocked almost at their max out of the box, and they have """"algorithms"""" that find the best core to boost

>>85227832
Fat chance
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>>85227609
>expensive prices for gpus
do you think they'll normalise to what we were used to again?
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>>85227804
If I were you i will get 3060ti + monitor first and think about upgrade cpu and ram later
>shit model
you can buy custom cooler for science later
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>>85227834
It's latency. You want big number mhz, small number CL/latency. Both contribute to the overall 'speed' of the RAM.
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>>85227834
RAM timings. The lower the numbers, the tighter the timings. The tighter the timings, the better the performance. I.e. I have a kit of 3200MHz @ 14-14-14-34 timings in my main build. My backup build has a kit of 4400MHz @ 19-19-19-39 timings. They perform within like 7% of each other depending on the application or game.
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>>85227864
Depends on the crypto market and specifically etherium mining. Other factors are basically irrelevant at this point, almost every other pc component is widely available at MSRP despite them, crypto mining is the only real demand difference for GPUs.
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>>85227864
No. The MSRPs of low end cards is $200/250 now. The high end cards will all launch at $1200 now. Even when the scalpers are gone these will continue to be the regular prices. People have shown that they will pay them regardless and nvidia will just say well if you can't afford a high end card use our GeForce Now faggotry.
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>>85227861
>They're lying to you
I can literally see it on their website. 5 in stock.
>No, CPUs come clocked almost at their max out of the box, and they have """"algorithms"""" that find the best core to boost
Huh, no shit. Well I guess I'll just get a solid cooler then.
>>85227868
I'll end up just getting an entirely new build if I'm going to make the drive to Microcenter anyways. They're running a deal where the more parts you get, the better the discounts. $20 off for buying CPU and motherboard together. Another $10 off if buying an SSD. Another $10-$15 off certain RAM kits if all purchased at the same time, etc.
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>>85227913
:( I wish 1200.... pic prices are in dollarydoos....

newfag here, does MSY parts list get posted here ever?

http://cdn.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
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Let's say I win a newegg shuffle and I get a ASUS TUF 3080 for 2000. Should I actually pay that ludicrous price?
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>>85227943
>literally see it on their website
Like I said, they're lying to you. You think I haven't tried to buy an "in stock" RTX card from Microcenter?
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>>85227944
I mean for MSRPs only. Retail costs will clearly be higher than those but the high MSRPs are here to stay.
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>>85227970
>"winning" the opportunity to spend double and change MSRP for a GPU
Yea great. If you have money to burn, go wild.
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>>85227970
If you don't there'll be another person ready to.
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>>85227970
>3080 msrp = $699
yeah that sounds about right
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>>85227523
I'm amazed those ocz ssds haven't died on you yet. Sli doesn't really work on anything anymore, and gtx 580 may as well be from the Triassic era.

>>85227549
>Ryzen 8000
What clickbait site is that?
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>>85228108
>I'm amazed those ocz ssds haven't died on you yet. Sli doesn't really work on anything anymore, and gtx 580 may as well be from the Triassic era.
Yea the SSDs are in Raid 0 and my GPU's are for sure showing their age.
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Is AMD a company worth going to for a full build these days? My only experience I have with AMD is from the Phenom II and first gen FX series era. I'm sold on building an entirely AMD based build, just want to make sure I'm not fucking myself over getting an AMD CPU.
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>>85228193
Yes. AMD good Intel good can't go wrong shopping for CPUs these days.
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Is $580 for a regular 12GB 3060 a good deal?
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>>85228193
yes and no, they make great products but socket AM4 is at the end of its life.
AM5 is out second half of the year.
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>>85227153
Alder lake should've been released before Zen 3 if Intel wanted to overcome the bad perception it created for itself. Too little too late.
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>>85228193
if you're going to spend $300 on 5600x you might as well get the 12700f for $330. There's absolutely no reason to get amd right now. if you really wanted an amd, wait and see if zen 4 is good or not at the end of this year
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>>85228193
yep but if you building new system just don't buy AM4 and 1200
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>>85228233
well then fuck. It's always like I'm waiting for something these days.
>>85228242
I was going to get the 5950X. I figured if I'm going to get a new platform, might as well start at the tippy top. >>85228233 said AM5 is hitting soon though.
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I'm so desperate for a new gpu right now, where can I just buy one that hasn't been mined to hell and back? Yes I'll pay the stupid double msrp if I can get a 3060 or better but I actually need a place to buy one that's new
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My current PC is an i7-8700k based build and while OK for games, it really dogs when rendering or encoding. I want to build a server for this and mass storage. My only question about this is what is the most efficient, but not wallet raping PC I can get off eBay for this use case? I want the ability to run registered ECC RAM (because unregistered ones are stupid expensive). Are Xeon CPU's like X5650's still worth it or are they just power hungry and inefficient.
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Why are the benches saying the 3060 beats the 6600 xt but then game tests have it winning by 10-20% frames?
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>>85228287
Newegg, bestbuy
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>>85228355
if your budget allows, a 5900x would be awesome
you could also step down to a 3900x as a cheaper option
both of those should be able to run ECC, if you are careful with your mobo choice
and both of them will absolutely assrape old xeons in perf
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>tfw I rushed and bought a shitty 1650
I want to kill myself desu
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>>85228410
problem with those is that they only support unbuffered/unregistered ECC DIMMs which seem to be damn near impossible to find for a normal price. Where as buffered/registered DIMMs are a dime a dozen in comparison.
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>>85228420
why would you buy a scalped 1650...
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>>85228355
what's your budget? do you have a gpu for your server?
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>>85228431
hmmm
perhaps a 2xxx threadripper chip? TR4 must support registered, doesn't it?
iirc the previous gen equivalent of the 3900/3950 (12/16 cores) were threadrippers on tr4
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>>85228442
I stumbled onto a lot of money out of nowhere and I hurried to buy pc parts after being out of the loop for a long ass time (before the GTX 1000 series came out). Looking at all the price/performance comparisons now makes me feel some kinda way
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>>85228455
I'm willing to spend up to around $3500 for the server. Around $800 to $1000 is going to be for storage though, so that leaves $2500-ish for everything else.
>>85228458
Not registered, no, only unregistered. That and which Threadripper motherboards actually support ECC varies. Most of the threadripper boards allow you to boot with ECC unbuffered DIMMs, but they won't actually use the ECC capabilities.
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>>85228486
>Not registered, no, only unregistered.
damn
well, sucks, i guess you'll have to go xeon
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>>85228461
>dumb with too much money
got it. at least we get to laugh at you.
you know you could probably sell it for what you paid and buy something better right?
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>>85228499
>i guess you'll have to go xeon
I could always go AMD EPYC which is threadripper's big brother and offers 8x memory channels as opposed to only 4x like Threadripper and Xeon. EPYC is rather expensive though. I don't mind throwing my money at a new build specifically for server use if it means it will suit my needs, I just don't want to drop coin unnecessarily
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>>85228455
oh, and no GPU for the server. I might throw an old GT210 I have laying around in it just to install my OS of choice, but I'll pull it after and utilize IPMI, remote desktop, or SSH to control it headless.
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>Lenovo Legion 5 17" ach6h
>32gb Ripjaws DDR4 RAM 3200mhz 22CL
>extra 1 Tb m.2 NVME Gen4

Laptop slot will only take it at gen 3 speeds, but it was on sale for the same price as a m.2 gen 3 drive, so why not
RAM was the only kit I could find. After pre-ordering it, it was all sold out later that day, so I guess I even got lucky with that.

The RAM it came with was stock Samsung 3200mhz CL 22 stuff. I do photo editing so I needed the extra even though the cas latency isn't better.
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Between switching the stock CPU cooler or switching to a case with more airflow (imagine I currently have a very closed case, only a fan in the back), which one would be better to do for the health of the PC overall?
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rate my next pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Fs4t8
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>>85228549
im not sure what you mean by "health" of the pc
im guessing getting a better cpu cooler will be better for the noise you get from your cpu
but then replacing the case will also help the gpu (assuming ofc better airflow from what your current case has)
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>>85228549
is EVERYTHING in the build over heating? A new case. Just the CPU? A new cooler and then a new case. It's not a matter of one or the other. It's a matter of which you'll buy first.
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>>85228569
>top tier CPU
>mediocre B550
>only 16GB RAM
If you aren't going to utilize the full potential of the 5950X, downgrade to at most a 5800X. Even a 5600X would be fine with that GPU.
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>>85228585
>mediocre B550
no such thing
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>>85228595
more so critiquing the B550 chipset. If you're spending $750+ on a CPU, don't be cheap, get a proper X570 board.
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>start to have doubts about my i3 which encodes muh anime at 2h per episode
>check out Ryzen prices
>cheapest one is €220
Yeah, it ain't worth a €140 premium … but maybe it is?
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>>85228606
X570 has almost no advantages over the B550
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>>85228595
>no PCIe gen 4 lanes
>10 lanes vs. 16

Literally would not be utilizing the processor nor the amount of NVME storage listed in >>85228569
nor would be utilizing the PCIe 4 for the graphics either

you'd be fucking high to spend all the money on that shit and chimp out on the motherboard
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>>85228431
>Where as buffered/registered DIMMs are a dime a dozen in comparison.
I imagine that's because a shitton of it is made for enterprise? What's the functional distinction between the two types of ECC ram?
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>>85228648
B550 has PCIe 4.0 16x...
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>>85228606
The only difference is chipset pcie lanes which no one really utilizes.
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>>85228643
The B550 chipset gives PCIe 3.0 lanes instead of 4.0 from X570. You also have less lanes and less I/O ports.
>>85228671
from the CPU, not the chipset.
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>>85228571
Yes, like I said my current case is very closed. My GPU is not very powerful so I've seen ok temps from it, but I'm running the 5600x with stock cooler on this case and it seems to be not extremely suffering but not doing so great either.

>>85228572
You're correct, I meant as to which one to do first. You can read the reply above for more info on the matter if you'd like.
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>>85228671
only for the CPU, nothing else
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>>85228505
Yeah I'm planning on selling it for about 70-80% of what I paid for it and then getting a 3060 or 6600 XT
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>>85226966
I'm so tired of this all. What's worse is that if you look elsewhere people hold these beliefs and they're serious. I have a hard time finding good information because everyone is retarded, saying everything is bad even if it's a good product. It's hard to filter out the growing pile of shit that the internet has become. It's getting worse.
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Can anyone help me max out a build for my GTX 970 graphics card?

I'm using an AMD FX 8350 still lol.

I just want a modern computer that will let me get the most out of my GTX 970 right now until graphic card prices come down.
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>>85228686
>The only difference is chipset pcie lanes which no one really utilizes.
just like all the cores/threads of the 5950X in the linked build I'm speaking of. B550 is supposed to be a budget friendly option for the budget oriented CPU's (5600X, even the 5800X if on sale). The 5900X and 5950X imply you're going to be putting those cores/threads to work and also usually entails putting the PCIe lanes and IO to work as well. The B550 won't harm anything, it's just a shit allocation of money to get such a top tier CPU and then cheap out on the board.
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>>85228585
>5800X
I just dropped a 5800X into an X470 board to replace a 2700X. This fucker is running 15 degrees warmer than the 2700X. It's ridiculous. It's in an ATX full size case with 7 fans, and the same Noctua NH-U14S. I am really disappointed how my silent (other than compiling) computer now sounds like a turbofan watching a jewtube video.
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>>85228688
hmmm
yea, get a case first
you can check the gamersnexus channel on youtube, has lots of very comprehensive case reviews
most importantly, it also has nice charts comparing the thermal performance of all reviewed cases
what is your budget?
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>>85228730
>until graphic card prices come down.
ha, yea, good one
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>>85228653
RDIMMs have a register on the DIMM itself. Basically it's an electrical component that helps reduce the load on the motherboard or CPU's memory controller. Some servers that are running 16+ DIMMs really start to overload the controller, so it's needed. And yeah, RDIMMs are always more expensive at first when new RAM first comes out (DDR2/3/4, etc) but as companies move onto the next, you can find cheap RDIMMs. For instance the only unregistered DDR4 16GB module I can find is $115 per stick. Meanwhile I can get an RDIMM DDR4 on eBay for $40 each.
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>>85228730
12100F
B660
16gb 3200CL16
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>>85228745
the 5800X is an entirely different node size than the 2700X and the 5800X is also clocked far higher. 7nm has much higher transistor density compared to the 12nm(14nm tweaked really) 2700X. Higher compute density at higher clock speeds also means high hot spot density. If you fans are going nuts, check what you curve is like. If the curve is still based on the 2700X heat load, it's no wonder they'd be ramped up all the time. The 5800X is going to run hotter, simple as.
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>>85228585
nono I'm not trying to cheap out on it or downgrade anything. Thanks man. I had slightly caught wind of this chip problem, but didn't know enough about chips to fix. This is good right? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XWBG3C
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>>85228745
Isn't that thing barely over 130W in max turbo? I had a 20 bucks fan keeping an overclocked 6300 under 55° even without case-fans. Are you sure it's actually displaying the right temps?
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>>85228688
A case would help everything. If the CPU isn't hitting throttle temps, then def a case first.
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>>85228755
That makes sense.
What is DDR5 utilizing? Are they still separating the types between enterprise and consumer?
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>>85228745
the 5000 series, especially the 8core ccx parts, are kinda tricky to cool
the overall efficiency, perf/watt, is pretty good
but all of the heat is concentrated to the small area of the ccx
tldr your problem is you can't remove heat from the ccx fast enough
the overall watts aren't too bad

your best option is to use specifically the arctic liquid freezer aio
it has a nice offset mount that exactly aligns the microfins in the coldplate directly above the ccx (its offcenter compared to the entire IHS)
so, buy this specific aio, largest size that fits the top of your case
its the best cooling you can get for ryzen, aside from a proper custom loop ofc
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>>85228798
Yeah they're gonna stick with it and a good thing too. If consumers had to fight large data centers and cluster locations for memory modules, it'd make the GPU problem look like a dream.
>>85228791
>6300
I pray you mean 3600, as in the R5-3600. If you're comparing the FX-6300 to a modern day CPU, you're just plain dumb.
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>>85228786
>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XWBG3C
this is still the better chipset
but it doesn't have 4 NVME slots, just 2
but you were only getting 2 drives

unless you're getting more in the future. Then it might be justifiable to get the higher cost board
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>>85228834
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nHxbt6/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite
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Where do I look for cards that aren't Ebay-priced?
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>>85228774
>If you fans are going nuts, check what you curve is like. If the curve is still based on the 2700X heat load, it's no wonder they'd be ramped up all the time.
The curves are the same, standard profile for the ASUS X470 Prime Pro. Right now, watching a livestream on jewtube and shitpoasting with you, my temps are 70 C. Before, it was 51-55 C. If it's ok that it runs hotter, I will adjust the fans. Under full load (compiling firefox), it was sustained 75 C at 4.5 GHz with the fans at 100% PWM duty.
>>85228791
>Isn't that thing barely over 130W in max turbo?
I think PPT max is 142 W.
>Are you sure it's actually displaying the right temps?
I am looking at whatever lm-sensors with k10temps is spitting out.
>>85228817
>your best option is to use specifically the arctic liquid freezer aio
I didn't want to buy anything new, but if that what it takes, I'll check it out.
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>>85228834
>>85228843
to add onto this, that board he linked is good. However the original one you chose, with 4x m.2 ports, also has some beefy as fuck VRM heatsinks for the even beefier VRMs themselves. Like proper heat dissipation fins instead of style. The cheaper board WILL suit your needs, but the original board linked would be a solid one to grow into and never have to worry about the board.
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>>85228569
nice bait drone
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>>85228834
Why do I need 4 slots for 2 ssds?
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>>85228730
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yNyd8J
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>>85228831
Why would it be any different? Heat is heat and that thing went beyond 140W with a 1.4vCore.
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>>85228863
>my temps are 70 C. Before, it was 51-55 C
funnily enough, Ryzen is known to idle stupid hot because it like boosts one or two cores to max boost. As soon as you put any sort of all core load on it, the temps go down instead of up. Try running a cinebench run or even just a CPU-Z bench. Your temps will probably go down. My old 3950X used to idle at 68C or so but drop to 65C across all cores when rendering on my BQ! DRP4 cooler.
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>>85228869
yea, i agree, the VRM alone looks wicked good

>>85228875
you don't, which is why I linked a board more than $100 cheaper
but technically, the other anon does make a point with the VRM being outta sight
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What's the "upgrade path" for a R5 3600 on X570 AM4? a 5900/5950?

Just asking before AM5 drops later this year.
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>>85228885
>Heat is heat and that thing went beyond 140W with a 1.4vCore.
heat it heat sure, but heat density and a cooler's ability to pull the heat is entirely different. You're comparing a 32nm based FX-6300 vs a 7nm based 5800X. Not only that, but the 5800X has 8 cores and 16 threads due to SMT. The FX series as a whole didn't have SMT at all.

I know all about FX heat output. I daily drove a 5.0GHz clocked FX-8150 for a while and then a 5.5GHzdaily clocked FX-9590 on custom water down the road.
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>>85228902
5800X/5800X3D
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>>85228902
if you need more cores, get whatever the best 5000 series is you can afford. If cores don't matter to you, the 5600X then.
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>>85228877
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yNyd8J
solid
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>>85226783
Anyone know what wire gauge I should use for custom sleeved cable extensions?

For motherboard cable and GPU cable?
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>>85228908
that 3d shit looks nice
i can't wait for the benchmark reviews
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>>85228737
You're going to utilize more cores way more than the IO.
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>>85228903
The density can't be too different either as the chips aren't a vastly different size.

The whole 32/7nm shit and muh cores/threads don't matter as much as the actual TDP coming from the CPU, old Pentiums could reach the shit just with one core.
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>>85228886
>As soon as you put any sort of all core load on it, the temps go down instead of up.
I did put a compile load on it (firefox which takes about 15 minutes on make -j16). Temps hovered at 75 C with all cores at 4.4-4.5 GHz. This is all with stock timings. I think my cooling solution is decent, I probably need to adjust the fans to spool up to max RPM when the temp is >70 C. Right now, they are oscillating in the mid to upper 60s C which is annoying.
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>>85228893
The expensive one has 2.5g ethernet, wifi 6 and bluetooth. I like that too. Thanks you made the big compatibility error go away.
Do I need to beware of anything about huge coolers like NH-D15? Do I need a full tower?
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>>85228910
wish there were more cheap boards available but B660 is still freshly released.
I'd like to see a heatsink on the vrm and 4 ram slots but beggars can't be choosers
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>>85228946
>Do I need to beware of anything about huge coolers like NH-D15? Do I need a full tower?
they are a poor value compared to good aios
and also make working on your build much harder
and also put a lot of strain on your mobo, >1kg of copper hanging of a pcb is not ideal

so, maybe consider an aio, especially for a high perf/wattage cpu
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>>85227513
Power usage is huge, most machines are mostly idle, little cores are perfect for that. If all you do is crunch numbers, sure, you want all big cores. But that's not consumers.
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>>85228925
subjective. Most times people using this CPU to it's full capability are also using m.2 storage quite a bit.
>>85228927
I have a 360mm EK loop I use for benching. My AMD FX-9590 @ 5.4+GHz would use around 240w under full tilt. FX series chips you had to keep under 62C to stop from degradation. I was a day one buyer of the AMD R7-1800X and it would run at around 74C with a mild OC on it. This was also similar to my experience with my old i7-2700k @ 4.8GHz vs the i7-4790k at around 4.7GHz. I ran into a thermal wall with the 4790k, not a stability one.
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>>85228946
the meshify 2 has a max cooler height acceptance of 185mm

the NH-D15 has a 165mm height

so if you needed to move the fan up to make clearance for any RAM that might get in the way (I'm not sure if the motherboard would or wouldn't cause issues) but if it does - you have an extra 20mm to work with for clearance
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>>85228753
My budget for a case would be around 100$ tops, maybe strecht it out a bit to 120$ but would like to keep it around that.
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>>85229013
is your motherboard ATX or mATX?
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>>85228946
>Do I need to beware of anything about huge coolers like NH-D15? Do I need a full tower?
if you're going down the path of getting the 5950X and a top tier X570 motherboard, get a top tier cooler. Arctic's AiO units seem to be really, REALLY good for Ryzen specifically due to how the microchannels in the cold plate are set up. I'd get this. Literally the largest off the shelf cooler for this sort of CPU. With Ryzen, the lower the temps, the higher the boost and sustained boost. A Full tower would be required to run this sort of cooler just due to its size. Something like the Fractal Meshify S2 will fit this cooler in the roof of the case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bVMTwP/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-420-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00092a
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>>85226783
I need help. I kept putting it off because it was so expensive, then the artificial """shortages""" happened, and I can't put it off anymore. I can upgrade the RAM easily enough, but anything else is beyond ridiculously priced.
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Anyone used the Alta G1M?
Curious if it would be possible to jam a 420 rad in there. The side bracket's only for 360s but it looks like there's still quite a bit of room left.
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>>85229031
How would you mount the 140mm fans if there's only holes for 120mm? Unless you're intending to run 120mm to 140mm fan adapters which at that point, just keep a 360mm.
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>>85228999
>AMD R7-1800X and it would run at around 74C with a mild OC on it
But what was the TDP? It's damn unlikely it went to anything as cray as the FX9500 would.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2838-amd-statements-on-temperature-power-states-smt
Apparently there is some AMD fuckery when it comes to reporting which would explain the shit much better.
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how do I have sex with my graphics card
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>>85229013
the be quiet 500dx and the lian li lancool 215 fit in that budget
both have great thermal perf

also have a look at the meshify 2 line from fractal
same internals as the very popular define cases, but with much improved airflow due to the mesh front
a bit above your budget tho
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>>85229013
Phanteks P300A
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>>85229046
stick your dick in the fans when its running
be sure to take pics/video and post it to /gif/
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>>85229030
And how would a RAM upgrade help when it seems to have enough?
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>>85229030
>8gb
christ, just upgrade to at least 16
my computer chews 8 just playing youtube videos and running win10
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>>85229030
what are you asking for? What are you trying to upgrade? For what reason?
>>85229041
regardless of what the reason is, Ryzen runs hot. Every review I read says so. TDP isn't always indicative of actual thermals or power usage either. AMD's and Intel's of what they consider TDP are entirely different. The Ryzen 1800X had a TDP of 95 for reference while the FX9590 had a 220w TDP
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Is there any fucking way to get a GPU at MSRP right now? I've been waiting over a year now to get a GPU. I just can't spend 600 dollars on a 1080 card.
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>>85229065
Stand in line at Microcenter.
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>>85229065
>Is there any fucking way to get a GPU at MSRP right now?
no. Even places where you used to be able to get lucky such as Best Buy or Microcenter, still aren't at MSRP. My buddy works at Microcenter and he says even hardware stores are having a hard time getting the stuff for MSRP or anywhere near.
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>>85229040
Idea would be to mod the fan mount or not use it at all, it's removable. It's just whether there's room to fit and secure a 420.
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>>85228486
>Most of the threadripper boards allow you to boot with ECC unbuffered DIMMs, but they won't actually use the ECC capabilities
Is there a way to check which boards that claim to support ECC are actually utilizing ECC? Especially among AM4? I know it was added after the fact for a lot of the older boards via bios update.
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>>85229030
run hwinfo for proper specs
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>>85229064
>TDP isn't always indicative of actual thermals or power usage either.
It is, when you cut away the marketing bs and consider how the TDP AMD/Intel show is usually meant for base (with some bizarre outliers up and down) hence can be pretty much ignored until there are numbers measured in use.
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>>85229094
imo, probably not. At least not without not being able to put the panels back on. 420mm uses a lot more room than people realize.
>>85229096
https://exitcode0.net/how-to-check-if-ram-is-running-in-ecc-mode/

As for knowing in advance what motherboards actually work, I don't know other than reaching out to the manufacturer. That link will show you how to check if a running system is ECC.
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>>85229112
my current i9-9900k is rated for 95w TDP. It regularly pulls around 115 watts under any sort of major load. 10 to 20 watts more isn't a huge deal, but it still makes TDP hard to rely on. That and the issue of trying to do reviews based across different generations AND entirely different architectures. Made even more so with the link you posted about Windows issues. For instance your FX-6300 is also a 95w TDP rated CPU and I guarantee it runs far cooler than my furnace.
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>>85229065
just buy scalped and use niggerhash to mine the difference
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can I use my coom as thermal paste
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>>85229100
How's this?
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>>85229186
>just spend the next 2 years running your GPU at 100% to make up the cost difference
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>>85229194
cum, mayo, chocolate, and even tooth paste actually do rather well as thermal paste in the short term. It doesn't hold up for long though.
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So, what is the average FB Market/Hardwareswap sell price for a 3070ti/3080?

Would anyone be willing to part with a 3080 for $1200 or is that too low
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>>85229220
>Would anyone be willing to part with a 3080 for $1200 or is that too low
if you're trading something and offering a blowjob on top of the $1200 sure. Why would I sell for $1200 on FB marketplace or Craigslist when I can make $2500+ easy on eBay all day every day?
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>>85229198
so are you just looking for a snappier experience or are you looking for a complete upgrade?
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>>85229220
>>85229229
sorry, I read 3090. The 3080 still starts at $1450 most times.
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>>85229232
I want an actual upgrade. It struggles to run games from 8 years ago.
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>>85229236
Pain.

What about the 3070ti?
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>>85229251
>What about the 3070ti?
The 3070Ti is even newer than the 3080, and is essentially a 3080 lite. I do see some occasionally for $1100 starting up to $1400 on eBay
>>85229250
that would be your GPU dragging you down. That and lack of SSD. Get an SSD to install Windows and games to. Then get whatever GPU you can afford that's low power because I'm assuming that PC is a pre-built. So you want something that requires no more power than the 75w that can be delivered by the PCIe slot. Honestly, even a GT1030 would be a solid upgrade for you at this point.
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Compiled the advice i've been given over the last few threads and i've ended up with this as a build - https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/66pwt8
Triple checked that the storage is TLC
Any further recommendations/improvements would be welcome, the budget can swing up to $4000 AUD if there's a noticeable benefit in doing so.
Cheers for all the help anons.
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>>85229250
most of that is from the GPU being shitty.
like >>85229271
said, upgrade that and get a Crucial MX500(not the BX500)
and get a cheap 16gb ram kit.
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is 750w corsair gold capable of running a i7 12700k and an rtx 3080? I have everything except the gpu, and a gpu in my cart and I'm not sure if I need to get a better psu.

Accidentally posted in sqt thinking I was in pcbg until I went looking for sqt to see if I could help someone else. lol
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>>85229283
its pretty solid anon
you could argue that 12400/b660 would be better value (cheaper at same perf)
but that would require waiting for better availability/prices, as it was only released a few days ago and the parts are hard to get and overpriced.
one could also argue for a different cpu cooler or aio, the dark rock is pretty good, but there are better choices imo
but honestly, there's nothing majorly wrong with this build, you'll be happy with it

one thing you need to be aware of
the m27q is a very good budget panel, but its BGR subpixel layout
you will have to use cleartype to help with text rendering (or better yet, get BetterClearType, its easier to use than the windows utility)
and even then some programs will not use those settings and will render text poorly
so, if you are planning to use the panel for work or browsing or anything involving lots of text, maybe reconsider that choice
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>>85229315
probably, if you don't oc both of them and push them hard at the same time
if i was building a system with those specs, i would probably go 850w just so i don't have to worry
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r8 my rig, /gig/
also, is it worth buying 6500XTs for a new cheap rig?
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>>85229334
Yeah, I was thinking the same. I bought the 750w with a 3070 in mind, but they're not in stock anywhere, so I might as well just return it and get the 850w after all while I wait for rtx 3080.

wew
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>>85229352
I'll give you $200 for an evga card when eth goes POS
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>>85229352
every mining rig I see has those same rgb evga 3070s. it's like they were only sold exclusively to miners.
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>>85229375
get a fucking job and buy a gpu, anon
its not that hard
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>>85229352
based
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>my rig
>gig
mr.chinksect
everyone
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>>85229352
>rgb on
what are you doing, faggot? stop wasting energy
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>>85229352
>/gig/
kys zhang
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>>85229394
even more based, anon's selling his rig for 3X msrp
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>>85229389
not him, but only an idiot would buy obviously overpriced products while an extremely tenuous bubble is still going on

we'll buy our gpus at < 50% msrp later, when the bubble pops or eth goes pos
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>>85229389
I have a job, just don't kill yourself when eth goes POS... its not worth it, you made money
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>>85229410
genshin is a fun game
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>>85229412
you're assuming that prices will go back to msrp when asus/gigabyte/evga/msi/zotac/etc are the ones keeping the prices high not amd/nvidia.
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>>85229302
>>85229271
Would this work, or is there some compatability issue I'm not seeing?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M25X363/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=era20tech0f-20&linkId=744ee60adf509976218768b931806808&geniuslink=true&th=1#
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>>85229419
crypto is here to stay, anon
this is the new normal
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>>85229426
thats fine but its double what it should be
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>>85229425
>you're assuming that prices will go back to msrp
they did last time
and in fact, used miner cards were plentiful on ebay at <50% msrp
im still using a $100 rx480 i got in march '18
looking forward to a $200 3070 this time
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>>85229440
last time wasn't under a global pandemic and wasn't anywhere close to the amount of demand we see today.
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>>85229434
>he thinks he will always have free money
oh god you're going to kill yourself
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>>85229426
you're paying through the fucking nose for that GPU, but it should work.
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>>85229423
fun?
yep, for insect brain
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>>85229434
>transitions to POS in you're path
crypto may be here to stay(its not, bear market incoming)
but gpu mining certainly isn't
nothing personnel, kid
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>>85229442
the demand is driven by miners because ETH hasn't gone proof of stake yet.
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>>85229442
last time there weren't nearly as many miner gpus either
nvidia has produced more 30series cards than 10 series cards
and nearly all of them went to miners, they are only minimally represented on steam hardware survey
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>>85229326
I do have a separate build with the 12400/b660 set, in the case that it takes a while for me to start getting parts and prices have dropped for the motherboard
I don't imagine i'll do much textwise with the pc. Worst comes to worse, I can get a second cheap monitor if I really need to work with text AND cleartype falls through so it seems like the best gaming choice all things considered.
What cpu coolers would you recommend? Or at the very least, what should I look out for cooler wise?
As an aside, would I get any benefit from a higher grade CPU or would the benefit not outweigh the cost?
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>>85229178
Modern CPU marketing uses TDP as base clock scenario, assuming you have the headroom it is SUPPOSED to go higher. Hence I'm talking about the actual TDP (which is generally measured by reviewers)

Older ones like FX 6300 actually stuck to their TDP number given, but could easy go beyond with OC.
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>>85229460
>>85229457
okay, mining gpus that were used and abused get bought up quickly. market settles. new msrp is still 2x-3x what they used to be because aib partners decide the price not amd/nvidia. it's why the 6500xt is already $400 and its not even out yet.
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>>85229492
except the same as last time, Nvidia and AMD will have to compete with the used market so prices aren't going to go hugely crazy
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>>85229471
>What cpu coolers would you recommend?
a 5600x (or a 12400) would be fine with budget tier coolers like the scythe fuma 2 or the noctua u12 redux
those should be around $50-60, so, cheaper than the dark rock

if you want it to be quieter, the nh-d15 is the best tower cooler right now, better than the dark rock, at more or less the same price

if you're willing to go aio, an arctic liquid freezer will meaningfully outperform even the nh-d15, at more or less the same price
if going aio, get the largest size that will fit the top of your case, price difference between sizes is minimal

personally, i don't use headphones, so i would always get the large aio for the extra quiet
especially since the price difference between a budget cooler and a large aio is like 50-60 shekels
which, in the context of a $1.5k build, is basically small change
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>>85229492
the price is not set unilaterally by nvidia/amd/aibs
some1 has to buy the cards at those prices, otherwise the prices fall
and 95+% of cards are currently being bought by miners
there's the occasional well off western adult, sure
but if the miners aren't buying, cards will not be sold at these prices
especially with 20+ million used miner cards on ebay
that is enough to absord a LOT of demand from poor gamers

tldr with no miners, prices go back to msrp pretty quickly, gamers can't afford $1k midrange gpus
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>>85229506
Scythe Fuma II competes with the D15 but is cheaper.
you're right though the Liquid Freezer II is the better buy if you're willing to spend the money on a D15
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make an amd thread already
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>>85229505
the used market will still be ridiculously high because again the scalping is being done by aibs. that's why newegg shuffle 3070tis are like $1200-1400 instead of $600 msrp like they should.
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>>85229536
in steady state perf, almost, yea
the d15 will win out on transient spikes due to the (much) larger thermal mass
and an aio will obliterate both on spikes, again to due the absolutely fucking huge thermal mass of all the water
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Decided to buy this to replace my second monitor that died on me the other day. I just want a decently large monitor as a secondary monitor for multitasking, not gaming so I think it should be fine. Couldn't find anything that was a decent 4k / IPS for cheaper than this.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088ML74GB
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>>85229548
what part of "only miners are buying" is hard to understand?
without the miners, no one will buy at these prices
so they will fall
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>>85229548
the AIBs can try to sell for more all they want but the miners they were selling to will be flooding the market with used cards
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OK, so I game at 4K but I exclusively play JRPGs/WRPGs and Action games.

There isn't a single game I would play right now that a 3060ti couldn't do 4K/60/Ultra. The Witcher 3 barely reaching this on a 3060ti.

Would a 3070 last me at least 2 years of 4K/60/Ultra for the games I like probably? or should I try for a 3080? FF16 in a year or so probably is something I'll wanna 4K/60/Ultra at least.
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>>85229542
this is /pcbg/ chud
go make /amdg/ if you want
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>>85229557
im not aware of any reviews of this panel, so i can't really comment
well, except to say that the price does not exactly inspire confidence, lol

have you considered getting a 32inch/4k/60hz VA?
since its not a gaming panel, you don't need to worry about response times/smearing
and the extra contrast will be great for media consumption
they're also relatively cheap, around starting at 300-400
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>>85229600 >>85229600 >>85229600
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>>85229581
Honestly, I just wanted something as cheap as possible, my main monitor is a 240hz 1440p that I game on, I just need anything, the bare minimum with high resolution to do work and stuff on which is why I got this. I'm using an Acer right now too and pretty happy with it so I don't think I'll have issues.

I bought it from Amazon though just in case there is issues I can return it at least.
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>>85229657
ok, sounds reasonable
if it doesn't work out, try out the phillips 288E2UAE or 288E2E (the second one doesn't have a usb hub, is cheaper, same otherwise)
it did well when reviewed by pcmonitors.info
is also pretty cheap

link to review if you wanna save it for later:
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-288e2uae-288e2e/
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I went ahead and bought the rtx 3080 for £1199, I kind of feel like I got robbed, but I'm so glad I'm done looking through online stores every fucking day



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