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>>85213128I listen to my B&W dm302s.
What difference is there really between cheaper vs more expensive subwoofers?
>>85213189I have these speakers. Pretty good I drive them with a class a amp which puts out more heat than my computer. A waste of power really but cool, not sure it sounds better than a class d but still, sounds very good
>>85213128the same shit but monoprice 5.1. Too many hobbies to spend more on it. It works for now and it's better than a sound bar
>>85213128What's the cheapest 5.1 receiver I can get that would be usable and not break? I sit 6 feet from the tv so I don't need it to be powerful
>>85213128I have a left/right speaker. Music sounds great, movies sound good, but if I added a center channel to make movies better, would it fuck up the music by having an extra speaker messing up the L/R balance? Is the center speaker even used if you listen to a piece of music?
>>85213385I have a Sony one that was like $350, and it seemed like they didn't really go below $300 for 5.1
>>85213283How low they can go and with what level of distortion. Even my $600 sub only plays without distortion above 25Hz, but the lowest music in my collection goes to 30 so it's not so bad.
>>85213319On this note, can anyone recommend a good chinese desktop amplifier?
>>85213128I only have a 2.1 setup for music. There's nothing to watch anyway.
>>85213439The one I'm looking at is $270 and goes down to 20hz, but it has an 8-inch cone when every other sub has 10 or 12
>>85213563That's not how they're rated. Technically my sub outputs 88dB of 20Hz, limited by 3rd harmonic. Since it's not flat and not clean I don't consider it extending to 20Hz.
>>85213605These are the two I'm looking athttps://www.crutchfield.com/S-HnSQCRVZ68p/compare_714R10SWI_735PSUB8B/Klipsch-Reference-R-10SWi-vs-Definitive-Technology-ProSub-800.htmlAre these given specs useful in determining if they suck or not?
>>85213641Use this tablehttps://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/subwoofer-comparison.20494/and audioholics reviews if available. Subs below 18 inches are just not capable of legitimate extension to 20Hz.
>>85213696I'll have to sober up before I can make heads or tails, but thanks for the link. I can't spend too much on the sub, but I like getting the best bang-for-the-buck
I have a pair of kef ls50s, a pair of svs ultras, and they are all connected to a parasound hint.
>>85213400The purpose of a center channel is to make speech and anything else that happens on screen (i.e., not off-screen action/echo/whatever) sound like it is coming from the screen regardless of where you're sitting in the room. Since most things you hear are happening on scree, most of the sound will be coming from the center channel. Therefore, it had better be the highest quality speaker in your setup, else you're wasting money.Bottom line: you probably don't need a center channel.
>>85213765>Bottom line: you probably don't need a center channel.Where'd this post twist come from? You made it sound like the center is indispensable, which seems to be a common sentiment.
I use 1.5W speaker that my ASUS monitor built-in
>>85213795If you have a center channel, it should be as good or better than the other speakers in the setup because it will get the most use.If you forgo the center channel, you have more to spend on better L/R speakers.
>>85213128PSA: Do you need a center channel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILFo9zLGqzI
>>85213831I spent $300 ($150 each) on the L/R channels, I was going to spend maybe $400 on the center channel. All I'm wondering is if it's going to be a pain in the ass switching between movies and music when music is mixed for 2.1 and don't have an equivalent need for a center speaker.
>>85213870>it's going to be a pain in the ass switching between movies and musicDepends how often you switch I guess
>>85213904Is that to say that music does incorporate the center channel if it's detected?
am I doing anything wrong
>>85214071What are you even trying to do? Your right speaker is blocked off too
>>85214071Yeah you're over stuffing your drawers and they can't close properly so they came off the tracks.
>>85214113not trying to do anything my life is just a mess>>85214141pic related
>>85214145This picture looks like the Christian hell
>>85214145You just need to get rid of the stuff you aren't using.
>>85214145Either throw all that shit away or stick to headphones.
>>85214025AFAIK, unless there was some specific recording/production effort, music is intended for two stereo speakers, which makes sense, since that's the type of system most people have.
>>85214154if only you knew how bad things really were>>85214156everything is in use>>85214160I have 4 pairs of sennheisers
>>85214167then why not mix movies in 2 channel since thats the type of system most people have?
>>85214165Direct link to his conclusion at 26:40, just for (you) Anon.https://youtu.be/ILFo9zLGqzI?t=1600>Verification not required.
>>85214025>>85214167When your stereo speakers are set up properly it doesn't sound like the music is coming from speakers, it sounds like the music is coming from in front of you. Center speaker is exclusively for cinema, and even here most of them have awful directivity.
>>85214178Are you using the cardboard boxes? No? Get rid of them.
>>85214182More channels doesn't mean you need more speakers. Most people do only have two channels, and in that case everything is played through those channels.Humans only have two ears, and we hear surround sound without any issues.Two speakers are sufficient. You don't need more.https://youtu.be/IUDTlvagjJA>Verification not required.
>>85214193I am they stop the skateboard from damaging the wall
>>85214240Get rid of the skateboard and buy a car. Grow up.
>>85214242car is parked outside
>>85214191>When your stereo speakers are set up properly it doesn't sound like the music is coming from speakers, it sounds like the music is coming from in front of you. In mono maybe, but music mixed for stereo sound is supposed to sound like the sound is coming from left and right distinctly
>>85214454nope, in the sweet spot you can hear every panning angle in between the speakers, including a phantom center
>>85214454Only when something is 100% panned to one side does it sound like it's coming from the speaker. Most content goes from front-left to front-right, content with phase trickery can also sound completely left and completely right. A speaker is supposed to disappear in a proper setup.
>>85214235The thing you posted only works with headphones. With speakers it's all happening in front of you, not around you.
>>85214247Well time to stop acting like a manchild and get rid of your junk. You're depressed because you can't let go of the past.
>>85214606sounds like you just left high school lmao
>>85214698I might have just left high school but I'm more mature than you manchild
>>85214454It doesn't. Stereo field is specifically fucked with so it sounds bigger in the center. In fact, all of the mixing is done in an equilateral triangle for that specific reason.
>>85214182Because movies are mixed first and foremost for theaters. They are typically remastered for BluRay, but they don't reduce channels so people with home theaters can still enjoy the sound. There sometimes is a 2.1 version, but it's rare, since it's extra effort.
How much does a slight dent in the woofer affect the sound? My new speakers have a little ding on one of them but it'd be a pain in the ass to send it back
I know people hate then here, but how are more neighbor friendly solutions like a 2.0 setup, or soundbar in realistic terms, as in "still better then my TV speakers"
>>85215062Fuck your neighbors. Anything is fair game during the day, and at night you can just turn off your subwoofer if it's too much
>>85215009depends on where the crossover points are
l've got a Loxjie A30 with a pair of Klipsch R-51Ms, with a Klipsch R-12SW SubwooferSpeaker cables are Canare 4S11 with BJC locking bananas, sub cable is also BJC.Custom silver USB C cable.
thinking of getting a bose soundbar for my PC. been using headphones for ages but want some speakers now
>>85216325Don't get soundbars. Damn Edifiers are better than that.
>>85216302l've accepted my roll in society
Running a pair of XTZ Spirit 4 with a Denon AVC-X3700H, very nice for the price in my small living-roomThe calibration did wonders
I've found these have become seriously less popular overtime. Also those thin speakers fucking suck for music playback
>>85213856>>85214188>Do you need a centerIf you watch movies, yes.If you listen to stereo content, not really.If you don't have a center and watch a movie and wonder why you have to constantly raise and lower volume because ᵖᵉᵒᵖˡᵉ ᵃʳᵉ ᵗᵃˡᵏᶦnᵍ ʳᵉᵃˡˡʸ ˡᵒʷ THEN THE MUSIC COMES ᵃnᵈ ᵗʰᵉn ᵗʰᵉʸ ᵃˡᵐᵒˢᵗ ʷʰᶦˢᵖᵉʳ ᵒnᶜᵉ ᵃᵍᵃᶦnWith a dedicated dialogue channel you don't get this.Good movie makers also knows how to make the dialogue pan over to the fronts, sides and rear.>Humans only have two ears, and we hear surround sound without any issues.Humans only have stereo INPUT, the sound sources IRL are 9823745092738450978 channel.I don't know how you can't understand the purpose of channels for OUTPUT, so you'd have to tell us what diagnose you have so we can easier explain how audio works for you.
>>85213128Yamaha TSR-700 and pic related plus two more speakers for a 7.1 setup when there's no atmos. Wish they had better deals on 9 speaker receivers, the TSR was just too good of a price.
>>85216180Looks good. What's that funko of? Starfire?
>>85219688>If you don't have a center and watch a movie and wonder why you have to constantly raise and lower volume because ᵖᵉᵒᵖˡᵉ ᵃʳᵉ ᵗᵃˡᵏᶦnᵍ ʳᵉᵃˡˡʸ ˡᵒʷ THEN THE MUSIC COMES ᵃnᵈ ᵗʰᵉn ᵗʰᵉʸ ᵃˡᵐᵒˢᵗ ʷʰᶦˢᵖᵉʳ ᵒnᶜᵉ ᵃᵍᵃᶦnIf you feed the centre channel into FL + FR, with perhaps 3 dB of attenuation, shouldn't it sound pretty much equivalent? The "phantom centre" effect should position people's voices in the middle, just like what happens when listening to stereo music with vocals in the centre.I understand that moving left and right into a different seat on your sofa would move the centre image (unless the speakers are tilted slightly inwards), but besides this shouldn't it be fine? I have a 4.0 speaker set up and it seems to work fine.>>85213128Here's mine.LG BX 55"ADAM Audio T7V for FR + FLADAM Audio T5V for SR + SLYamaha DSP-E800 for decoding PCM and Dolby AC-3 from S/PDIF, and outputting at line-level, as the speakers are active monitors. Also mixes LFE + C into FR + FL.I know using AC-3 is not perfect, but it still sounds good to me watching Netflix movies. At least 2-channel PCM music can be lossless. I'd kind of like to get an actual subwoofer, but I'd probably get more improvements out of some proper acoustic treatment in the room, or an equalizer.I have my TV + speakers all pretty close to my sofa in the middle of the room, so the speakers could be considered about nearfield / midfield range. Also kind of feels like a brighter + larger TV when it's a fair bit closer than people seem to normally put their TVs.
>>85221091>If you feed the centre channel into FL + FR, with perhaps 3 dB of attenuation, shouldn't it sound pretty much equivalent?of course it's equivalent, but most people can't be bothered to adjust the downmix in their receivers or whatever playback device and complain about dialogue volume instead
>>85221091>If you feed the centre channel into FL + FR, with perhaps 3 dB of attenuation, shouldn't it sound pretty much equivalent? You lose the control of being able to set specific volume for the dialogue when you put them on the L/R fronts.On PC this can be solved with programs that can up the dialogue channel before being sent to the L/R perhaps, but if you watch movies without a PC, you'll gonna end up with a lesser experience.>4.0inb4 someone tells you to get a sub, a center is more important for movies with proper surround.
>>85221162>You lose the control of being able to set specific volume for the dialogue when you put them on the L/R fronts.Surely this depends on whatever kind of AV receiver you have. Things like this will commonly have a setting to adjust the volume per channel.>On PC this can be solved with programs that can up the dialogue channel before being sent to the L/R perhapsWhy would the centre channel need to be made louder? Surely if anything it should be made 3 dB quieter since it's being played out of two speakers at once?
>>85213400Nah if you already have phantom center you don't need center speaker
>>85221285yeah unless you can't seat all the listeners in a place that gives them a stable phantom centerif you're sitting in the sweet spot a center does nothing that your L/R can't do
I took the surrround pill when I got an OLED. At first I grabbed a soundbar, but it was barely better than the TV. Decided fuck that shit, I need the new meme, and I got an Onkyo 7.1 kit (one that Amazon would ship to the frozen wastes) and set up Atmos. Shit's cash. I didn't expect a decent sound setup to mog any other improvement to home theater so hard, but watching Master and Commander will justify that gorrilion-dollar sub.
>>85213319>>85213189Are these sealed? Is the back like so sound waves don't reflect off the back wall into the driver?
>>85221264>Why would the centre channel need to be made louderBecause too many movies seem to think everyone lives in a lead bunker with no neighbors and have the dialogue at 40% volume and explosions and music at 2000% volume.
>>85221311If you have friends around, you could also try the trick of tilting your speakers further inwards, so they "cross over" in front of the centre seat.In the left in this diagram, the speakers are pointed directly towards the middle seat, which is the standard setup, and is best if you're on your own. However, blue and green here are hearing the centre-panned audio come from different places. Blue hears it shifted to the left, since he is closer to the left speaker than the right speaker, so the left speaker sounds louder.On the right in this diagram, red hears the centre image as normal, since he hears both speakers symmetrically. Blue this time also gets a correct centre image, sounding like it's coming from the middle of the TV. This is because despite being closer to the left speaker, he is significantly off-axis from it, making it quieter. The right speaker is 100% on-axis to where he is sitting. This altogether balances out to make both speakers a similar volume from that seating position. Likewise, green gets the same effect from his seat but in reverse.Of course this is all dependent on exactly how your specific speakers attenuate when listening off-axis. I've tried it and it works surprisingly well.
>mfw cant have subwoofer because neighbors will crucify me
>>85213283>>85221451They are ported. They were budget speakers in a time when injection molded plastic was used a lot. B&W tried to use this methods strengths by creating an 'innerchoic' box and also screwing the back and front together.They are considered hard to drive because of some serious impedance dips.I use a tpa3116d2. Sounds fine to me.
>>85221899Just invite them to movie night once in a while
>>85221899Just set it on some foam pads
>>85222380that makes zero difference
When I look for speakers in a store, they don't have many to choose from, where should I look for more variety? From the UK
>>85213128I use an Amazon echo for my sound system. Works for me :^)
Why would I need such fancy setups with an AV reciver when I could just use a surround home cinema system?
>>85222702>surround home cinema systemwhat's that
>>85222562Listening in a store is pointless.Buy online. Buy multiple sets. Keep the best. Return the rest.
>>85222739*sticks your head up his asshole and farts*JUST LIKE THE THEATER
>>85222739Just a 5.1 speaker system that comes with a DVD or bluray player that you connect to your other devices.
>>85222997what's the benefit
>>85223014Cheap and trash sound, so fine for poverty fags here.
I have an old (vintage?) Aiwa 2.0 stereo system from 1998 or 1999 that I got for free from craigslist sometime in early 2010s. It even has optical in, so I am able to passthrough digital audio to it. This baby refuses to break and I think it's bass would break my windows faster than it would break itself.It is incredible on how it manages to shake the whole house during movie action scenes or during songs, while at the same time keeping the dialogue and lyrics crispy clear. It is even rivals my dad's 1000$+ Sony hts speaker system and he agrees too. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade and since it is old tech without planned obscolense, it might survive my whole lifetime.Of course, the CD and the tape player is busted, and I can't test the miniDisc because I don't have one, but I see no reason to fix them as all I care about are AUX and OPTICAL in.Anyone else owns old shit that sounds like sex and refuses to break?
>>85221899>bought loud 2.1 speakers for my TV>told my neighbours if am causing too much noise to let me know ASAP and I will reduce volume>blasting music at max volume>neighbours haven't complained not even once>can listen guilt-free without any anxietyStop being so autistic anon and just talk with your neighbours nicely
>>85223360>refuses to break>half of the devices functionality is busted
>>85223485>tapes and CDs totally matter in 2022!
I'm putting together a klipsch set-up and I don't know if I should buy what's affordable now or wait until spring and see if their new line-up they're putting out are anything special. I wish they'd give the prices of them already.
>>85222393It definitely dampens the resonance
Any budget bang for buck recommendations?
I have 3 workinf receivers, 2 of which i got from goodwill. Life is good
>>85224235I really like my pioneer speakers. Got fs22 and bs22 surround, got them all on sale for cheap
Does the center speaker JUST do dialogue? It seems like any speaker would work fine but they tell you the center should be twice the price of the other speakers
>>85224877ideally the center is the identical speaker you have as L&Rbut don't tell that to hometheaterfags, they insist on having a meme horizontal arrangement with the shittiest directivity possible
>>85224877also to answer the actual question:most movies these days don't do a "real" L-C-R mix where everything in the front is panned across all three speakersit's mostly a L-R mix with everything excluded and fed to the center that absolutely has to be coming from the middle of the big screen, that's mostly dialogue but it can basically be anything happening directly on the screen that's in the center of attentionthat's why your center should absolutely be a good sounding speaker and match with your front
>>85224298Cant find them where i live
>>85221899>>85223484ever heard about these?
>>85225733What am them do?
>>85223485My dad had a philips boom box in that style. The tape drives are shit quality, the cd drive failed ages ago but for some absolutely crazy disregard for turning profits these things have solid sanyo end stage transistor bricks and 4 kg ~60 volt, high amp transformers in them. I opened it after the weight of the unit caught me off guard, the cheap bad sounding speakers and thing wires would lead you to think it's trash but I hooked it to my magnat montors and it's sounding crystal clear, way better than my early 90 denon low end gear. These compacts were seen as cheap ugly plastic accessories for techno addicted teens even back then but the end stage is ripped straight out of some mid 80s high end amp.
>>85225762mechanically decouple the speakers from the floor.it's like wearing headphones. You can turn up the base, close the door, sit in the next room and hear nothing except the muffled highs.
>>85225762you will need a solid plate under them, I have put ceramic tiles under them.
>>85225822How does this affect the bass notes resonating in the room and their ability to travel through walls?
>>85225942the weight and movement of the speaker gets concentrated to the tip of the spikes, which are only a small point making the connection the floor then.just like the bass driver needs to have a large diaphragm to be efficient at transmitting long waves into the air, the spikes point of contact gets too small to transmit the low ends with enough efficiency into the floor boards.I'm a sci brainlet, but I think you can also model and explain it by the speakers weight getting concentrated to too such a high degree at the point of contact that inducing movement at that exact point requires too much energy.
>>85225942i uhm, kinda answered an question you didn't ask here: >>85226018basically this anon is right >>85226006It just cancels the speaker sinking low frequencies directly INTO the floor and walls, air transmission is unaffected which means if I really turn up the volume people think people down the street are having a party because it sounds so remote.
>>852260401st set of people are housemates
The most asked about things in these threads are always center channels and subwoofers
Does the little blowhole behind the speaker matter?
>>85228181It allows air to move in and out of the speaker as the main driver moves in and out. You can block the port to change the bass response of the speaker.
>>85224900everyone knows the horizontal center sucks ass but it's the compromise for having a TV stand
>>85228181Yes. You need to leave a few inches of space between the speaker and wall. Don't push it against it
>>85229130i made this mistakegot my new speakers a week ago and was wondering why they sounded so nigger bassy but they sounded 10x when i put them a foot away from wall
Cerwin-Vega for life! The only people who don't like CV are poorfags who can't afford it.https://youtu.be/tdRz63KdrBw?t=15
Is open-box a gamble? I can save $50 but it seems vague
>>85223761Just get a pair of RP-600M's.
>>85229841Depends on who you buy from. Most open box things I've bought were practically new, not even unwrapped.
>tfw 3x4 meter tv room inis it worth buying even just the stereo bookshelf speakers?
My local dealer has recommended me a Dynavector 20X2L phono cartridge to replace the damaged one I have now. https://www.dynavector.com/products/cart/e_20x2.html
>>85230440How much they is be?
>>85230495just use the earphones that came with your phone
>>85230558Not certain how much they go for currently. If memory serves correctly MSRP is around 600 USD, I picked my pair up for 450 USD.
>>85230596I do actually
>>85230440I'm not even sure if I want bookshelf speakers or floorstanding. Floor speakers should in theory sound better, right? More space inside to give better sound?
>>85222562Look in better stores - Theres quiet a lot of local independents but Richer Sounds, Superfi and Peter Tyson are all fairly reliable and have a good mix of high and low end.
>>85230495Yeah, my living room is about this size, and I'm not totally sure what to go for. It feels like Soundbars have killed off most of the compact speaker solutions too. Maybe going 2.1 is the safest bet for now.
>>85230673That's a decision you'll have to make for yourself. Floor standing tower style speakers do typically have a more "full" sound to them, but you'll also need to be sure that your room acoustics can handle them properly.
Is it worth spending the money for a high-end DAC?
>>85230997I need a way to play music stored on my server which doesn't have a sound card.
>>85231005You don't need a high end one for that, you can get transparent ones for under $100 nowadays