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>just use a VPN bro
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>>83818461
I do. I host my own VPN on a well located and good value VPS (not using my real credit card or anything though).
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>>83818461
Based
Friendly reminder that if you're connected to a vpn any other device (in theory) and certainly the network operator can scan all your ports and try to break in - then from there pivot to your entire local network
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>>83818478
If your really that worried use a separate device to connect to the VPN and set the firewall to act like an edge router. You can scan all the ports you like but none of them are open and there isn't anything running to hack.
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my vpn is being from a shithole, downside is poverty
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>>83818469
That's just shifting the burden of trust from your IPS to the VPS, doesn't solve anything
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>>83818461
Thanks, but I'm sticking with Mullvad.
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>he didn't go to privacyguides.org

who gives a shit about xpressvpn
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VPNs are just for piracy. If someone powerful wants to fuck with you they're going to fuck with you whether you're behind 7 proxies or not.
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I just use PIA for torrenting so why should I care?
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>>83818461
>Former malware distributor
Source?
>>83818469
If you're the sole user of the VPN or use a shared IP this is worthless in terms of being anonymous, it only protects your from your ISP spying on you, but that's already mitigated by HTTPS
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>>83818657
>or use a shared IP
or don't *
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Thanks, but I'm sticking with Mullvad.
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>>83818599
Your VPS provider would have to manually go through a lot of work to try and spy on you

It's literally just a Linux instance on some rack you can do whatever you want with

A VPN server suite is one of literally billions of possible things you could run.

A VPN provider however could easily set up automated surveillance etc.
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>henlo
>blufren reborting for dooty
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>>83818717
sudo tcpdump -w capture.pcap

Hm yes, a lot of work.
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>The UK-based company was cofounded by an ex-Israeli surveillance agent and a billionaire previously convicted of insider trading
>It produced software which previously allowed third-party developers to hijack users' browsers via malware injection, redirect traffic to advertisers and slurp up private data.
>The name change supposedly accompanied a full turnaround for Kape, as it said it was exiting malicious adware and moving into cybersecurity
>However, in the same year, Kape still operated the infamous scareware Reimage
why are jews like this
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>>83818568
>my vpn is being from a shithole
vpn's from shitholes cant sell your data?
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>>83818461
the smear campaign against them is pretty interesting lately, I've seen it all over various websites.
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>>83818478
So what?
If someone being in your local network compromises your security, you're doing something wrong.

I could have a glownigger in my LAN and wouldn't care. Everything's accessible over wireguard + ssh only.
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>>83819021
doesn't even need vpn. The isp is enough in shitholes
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>>83818478
why the fuck would they have to go through that effort? 95% chance you're running their proprietary client instead of manually inputting credentials and IPs into openvpn or something.
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>>83818478
fake and gay
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>>83819035
(you)
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>>83819317
they are trying to dissuade people from using VPNs

Kape are scumbags, they buy dead VPNs and use their brand
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What is a "malware distributor", most mainstream software companies are malware distributors and I'm not saying that to be edgy I mean they literally bundle spyware and adware with their products.
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>>83818461
This information is anti-semitic! Cease at once!
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>(((Kape Technologies)))
Every time
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>>83819359
that's true. now that most computers are free of malware, the software companies can fill this niche and install their own

anyway, see here: >>83818995
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>>83819384
(((nose people)))
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>>83818461
goddamit. I didn't know this piece of shit kike faggot just bought express vpn. I just renewed. might do a chargeback. fuck
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>VPN services are a honeypot
No shit, only mouth breathing retards and tech illiterate boomers are dumb enough to fall for it.
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>>83818680
>Mullvad
Extremely based
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>>83820006
>On September 14, the US Department of Justice released a statement that ExpressVPN CIO Daniel Gericke, prior to joining the company, had helped the United Arab Emirates hack computers (including those of activists) without having a valid export license from the US government. In exchange for a deferred prosecution agreement, he agreed to pay a $335,000 fine and his security clearance was revoked.
>Project Raven
>Gericke, along with two ex-US intelligence operatives Marc Baier and Ryan Adams, was reportedly part of Project Raven, a covert team tasked with building the UAE's Karma hacking system and hacking into the accounts of human rights activists, journalists, and rival governments “at the behest of the UAE’s monarchy,” according to a 2019 Reuters investigation.
Anon you were already absolutely fucked by (((the man))) even before they bought the company. Literally an NSA owned company.
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>>83820046
Expressvpn ran everything on RAM with no data storage. This has been proven by court orders.

Fucking' A. I am tired of this shit.
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>>83818606
Opened this thread just to see if anyone would mention Mullvad. Thanks for confirming my choice of VPN isn't completely retarded.
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>>83820071
here's your shekel, thanks for your service. (Delete this part)
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>>83819400
I have the PIA client installed which runs a daemon. How should I see if Kape is trying to break into my shit?
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>>83820112
>>83820112

fuck off bro. I'm pissed some kike bought expressvpn. I literally run a vpn because i don't want some isp bot net tracking my frequency of using the words niggers and kikes.

I am tired of this fucking trickery everywhere. zero chance that kike faggot in charge of express vpn can be trusted. he probably gets paid by Israel to fucking flag "anti-semites" or some shit.
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>>83818461
Your own router can become a VPN.
https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/vpn-router/tl-r600vpn/

It's easy to set up and this is what small businesses use for remote work.
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>>83820147
This does nothing for privacy numbskull.
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>>83820152
Yes, it does. Why do think businesses use it for remote accessing servers and desktop computers?
I work in the IT industry so I know what I am talking about little brother.
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>>83820147
Counter Argument.

High-security VPN Capabilities
TL-R600VPN supports IPsec and PPTP VPN protocols and can handle IPsec/PPTP/L2TP pass-through traffic as well. It also features a built-in hardware-based VPN engine allowing the router to support and manage up to 20 LAN-to-LAN IPsec and 16 PPTP VPN connections. Advanced VPN features include DES/3DES/AES128/AES192/AES256 encryption, MD5/SHA1 authentication, Manual/IKE key management, and Main/Aggressive negotiation modes.
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>>83820167
They use it so you can access the local network from a remote location via a secure tunnel stupidface.
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>>83820167
What do you think "privacy" means?
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>>83818995
Its in their dna to be like that.
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>>83818995
This is hilarious. I love people that say one thing and blatantly do another.
This guy has enough of a history to be not trusted at all but normies will still flock to him
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>>83820290
same as HideMyAss
they keep ratting out people for the dumbest stuff (someone harassing his ex-gf?) yet, there are still people subscribing
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>>83818749
[User] is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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>>83820139
>I'm pissed some kike bought expressvpn
so fucking switch vpns you stupid ass. use mullvad, I've never even heard of expressvpn, why do you retards always choose shitty obscure vpns then get surprised when it's compromised by kikes
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>>83820342
>shitty obscure vpns

express vpn was one of the most recommended you dipshit. Kape paid a billion dollars for that shit nigger. They had proof of keeping no logs.
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>>83820404
ok so are you going to keep complaining about it or move onto something that is already known to be better? it sounds like you're going to just stay stuck and complaining like a dumb black african ape NOGGER
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>>83820448
i paid $100 for a year last week. I'll try to get a refund or chargeback and change. not sure who to fucking trust anymore.
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>>83820404
>one of the most recommended
anon that's how you know it glows, never go for "the most recommended" anything.
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>>83820456
i just told you, mullvad is the most trusted vpn right now, i've been using them since i jumped from PIA a while back, ill use them until they explode but they seem really great so far.
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>>83820461
>never go for "the most recommended" anything.
what the fuck are you talking about. you literally don't believe this so why bother saying it?
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This is Ben Shapiro's #1 funder and sponsor, so it's based.
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>>83820488
>jewish
anon, i....
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>>83818461
Mullvad is best
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>>83820456
there's a 30 day money back guarantee.
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>>83819384
imagine controlling the fucking world yet you keep sand people living rent free in your head.
lmao
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Use only self-hosted Openvpn over shadowsocks+v2ray
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>>83818461
>just host your VPN bro
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>>83820710
unique IP
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>>83820139
You clearly don't use a VPN to post these things online, as 4chan blocks all VPN connections from posting. So stop with the fake concern trolling.
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>>83818599
>>83818717
I host the VPN and I don't have to trust the VPS for that, there's nothing they can do.

>>83818657
>If you're the sole user of the VPN or use a shared IP this is worthless in terms of being anonymous, it only protects your from your ISP spying on you, but that's already mitigated by HTTPS
The VPS is in a country with pro copyright piracy laws for personal usage. Only real point of a VPN. Otherwise HTTPS and DNS over HTTPS / DNSCrypt is enough.
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>>83820741
Not self hosted. Unless you're using some super popular VPS.
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>>83819098
SEA and Pajeet chads keep winning
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>>83820404
>one of the most recommended
by whom? vpn review sites? you know who runs those
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>>83818469
Why do people pretend that the more difficult and counter intuitive methods are actually the best? Not only are you limiting yourself to just one country, all of your browsing habits is limited to just another IP address that only you use rather than multiple IP addresses that are shared with other people. You aren't actually making yourself obscure.
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>>83822498
>HTTPS and DNS over HTTPS / DNSCrypt is enough.
No it isn't because your ISP still knows what websites you are going on and websites can track you based on your ISP.
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>>83820404
>express vpn was one of the most recommended you dipshit.
No it was one of the most shilled. The same with NordVPN. This doesn't mean that they are the best out there, although NordVPN is significantly better than ExpressVPN.
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>>83823606
No, your ISP would see you making a connection to the VPS.
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>>83819116
>proprietary is bad mmmmkay?
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>>83823895
Sure but you didn't say VPS + HTTPS over DNS is enough. You said HTTPS over DNS is enough. But I also think "hosting your own VPN" only advantage is the ego boost it gives you more than anything else. The same with hosting your own email server.
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>>83818657
>it only protects your from your ISP spying on you, but that's already mitigated by HTTPS
your ISP still knows what websites you visit retard
and no, DoH or ESNI do not solve this sufficiently
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>>83818606
>sweden
are you fucking kidding?
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>>83823945
Why would you connect to your vps without encryption? That defeats the whole purpose. You're just being pedantic at this point.
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>>83818995
If you say anything about his ethnicity you are a racist nazi tho! #notalljews
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>>83818461
expressvpn already has the dialogue ready for those trying to cancel due to Kape's kikery.

"i am sorry to hear that—On our side, we are still going to be the same VPN, operating independently, with more backing to bring more innovation to the market. It’s the same team, the same tech, and the same commitment to protecting your privacy.
>ExpressVPN will remain a separate service from other Kape brands, and everything you’ve come to know and love about ExpressVPN will only continue to improve: our award-winning speed and reliability, premium global server network and bandwidth, 24/7 live chat, BVI jurisdiction, policy of not collecting activity or connection logs, independent third-party audits, and more."
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>>83818648
Only siths deal with absolutes. Your comment serves no purpose and has no value.
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>>83820404
>ExpressVPN
Enjoy your CIA honeypot
https://www.pcmag.com/news/expressvpn-cio-helped-united-arab-of-emirates-hack-into-phones-computers
https://www.hackread.com/edward-snowden-stop-using-expressvpn/
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/14/expressvpn_bought_kape/
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I'm simply not going to use a VPN
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>>83824135
>No lockdowns
>No mask or vaccine mandates
>Didn't recommend people taking moderna since it's dangerous and has killed people
They sound pretty based honestly
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>>83818469
This, but run a Tor bridge.
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>>83818461
> doesn't know mainstream VPNs aren't the only VPN options available
> doesn't know how to self host OpenVPN
> it's literally free, just pay the cost of your VPS
> no overhead
ngmi

>>83823606
It is in the interest of any service provider, whether for TELCOM or otherwise providing access to a feature such as the internet, to use any information they can to identify you because it eliminates liabilities on their end if you do anything illegal. It also is in the interest of large TELCOMS to provide data to advertisers based on your browsing habits and other PII because it provides revenue and power over your information.

>>83818648
You didn't have to say that, it is literally useless information (moot point) and provides you a single point of failure upon which to base your assumption.

>>83819384
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I use windscribe
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>>83824504
Or just get a seedbox in some shithole country where nobody cares about American copyright. Torrents, avoiding geoip restrictions and evading bans are the only reasons for ever using a VPN.
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>>83818606
>>83820084
I specifically come to these threads and check the archives to see if mullvad has been compromised, still haven't seen anything.
guessing it's a good thing that they don't really spend a lot of resources doing advertisement campaigns and they just get free advertisement from word of mouth from people like me.
-posted from my windows 7 device with mullvad disabled
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I find it intruiging that VPN companies have been able to strongarm all forms of digital advertising into submission with blackhat practices and there seems no end in sight. Offline I don't even know anyone who uses a VPN other than edgecases where someone wants to watch US Netflix etc.
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>>83823606
of course it is otherwise what's the point of those things
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>>83824718
>Offline I don't even know anyone who uses a VPN other than edgecases where someone wants to watch US Netflix etc.
plenty of boomers are legit scared of those "THIS SITE KNOWS YOUR LOCATION! PROTECT YOURSELF!" ads being spammed everywhere
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>>83824487
25% of tor nodes are malicious.

Imagine making a 1/4th gamble with your data
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>>83824675
>>83820084
>14 eyes country
>Covert backdoor laws
Haha no thanks
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>>83823946
>your ISP still knows what websites you visit retard
Do you even know what a VPN does? No, your ISP does not know what sites you visit when you use a VPN, retard
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>>83825522
>I cant read
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>>83825585
yeah that part was obvious
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>>83818606
>>83818680
>>83820045
>>83820084
>>83824675
based mullvad bros
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>>83824504
>You didn't have to say that, it is literally useless information (moot point) and provides you a single point of failure upon which to base your assumption.
don't waste your time with retards, average people don't know what a vpn is and why the very fact that vpn providers exist is fishy and a non-sense...
let them funnel data directly to glowies, russia or china, you have no reason to care
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>>83818461
>malware distributor wants more data from retards, for free
long live the free market!
captcha: PAHXD
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>>83824891
imagine not using https
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>>83825474
Have you never heard of clandestine operations like Equation Group?

>The “computer network exploitation” (CNE) hacking and data mining operations deploy an intricate malware architecture against targeted systems, carefully tailored to render it invisible to anti-virus and anomaly scanning software. Attacks were carried out by the so-called “Equation group,” described by the Russian firm as “one of the most sophisticated cyber attack groups in the world.”

>The Equation group has targeted systems in numerous locations including Russia, China, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, India, Philippines, South Africa, Germany, Iraq, Mexico, Brazil and others, the report found.

>The hacking operations bear striking similarities to previous NSA hacking operations, according to Kaspersky, displaying a level of technical sophistication that “suggests developers of the highest caliber.”

The NSA literally has wiretaps across all TELCOMS distributors either by complicit means or by clandestine operations.
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>>83825818
This. The Tor node situation is bad, but if TLS was enforced it would almost be a non issue for privacy (maybe a non issue completely?)
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>>83825796
ah yes, socialist countries are known for their care about privacy
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>>83825835
this looks pretty cool
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>>83825850
of course those are the only 2 options.
did you learn about politics from >>>/pol/ or some shit?
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>>83824150
There is no VPS in the second scenario retard.
Read:

>The VPS is in a country with pro copyright piracy laws for personal usage. Only real point of a VPN. Otherwise HTTPS and DNS over HTTPS / DNSCrypt is enough.
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>>83824135
>>83824405
our cops are as gay as anywhere else in the west, and the courts are worse

expect swedish companies to do anything a warrant demands, and the courts to issue a warrant for anything more serious than run of the mill piracy
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>>83824811
?
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>>83824504
Not only a VPS provider will track you (an OpenVPN instance trips all of DDoS checks, for one), but it’s uplink provider will do so as well. Both can and will personalize you. Both can and will work with the law enforcement if needs be. Just simply using your own computer straight through the ISP gives you more privacy, since at least the ISP does not have a physical access to your data.
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>>83818461
ctrl + f "madaidan" 0 results
I'm disappointed /g/
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/vpns.html
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>>83825818
HTTPS by itself won't necessarily save you from getting your traffic intercepted and your shit leaked (though it does make it harder)
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>>83825893
You're starting to glow a bit but I'm just trying to explain the importance of a VPN if you choose to use one to protect your data.

The website you linked to links to Matt Traudt (Naval Labs, KSU, Tor Project) where he literally explains, "Yes VPNs hide everything about what you're doing on the Internet from your ISP. So does Tor (Browser)." That was exactly the point. Tor is for anonymity AND offers what a VPN offers. A VPN, while being secure, offers a separate attack surface but one that you can also understand better, without knowledge of protocols, knowledge of attack surfaces and without knowledge of secure communication standards or encryption.

My point exactly, is that yes, you should be using Tor, but you can use a VPN to simply secure your traffic from your ISP. And, I agree, you should trust your VPN provider AND your ISP but that's not simultaneously feasible and viable for most people.
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>>83825912
Explain how. Shitty certificate authorities?
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>>83825835
Haha thats cool but nobody asked. If that were true people using VPNs would be busted every single day for heinous shit and they just aren't
>inb4 some schizo everything's rigged, overlord opressive silencing govt blah blah blah
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>>83825995
meant for >>83825896
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>>83825998
yep, shitty or compromised CAs. or even shitty devices/applications that do not check the certs or their chain.
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>>83825893
>Just simply using your own computer straight through the ISP gives you more privacy, since at least the ISP does not have a physical access to your data.
you are just routing traffic through the VPN so I'm not sure what you mean with physical access to data
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>>83825896
>When using a VPN, you send all of your internet traffic to a single server and they can do whatever they want with it. You have to trust them fully not to do anything malicious.

well, you can use HTTPS, so you don't have to trust them fully.
Weigh it up against
>A VPN can provide a privacy advantage since it does hide the websites you visit from people monitoring your traffic and it hides your IP address from the websites you visit
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>>83826050
Your VPS provider will have access to the VPS on their own physical hardware, just like a VPN provider will. VPS is the same as a normal VPN, but even worse.
Let me go a bit in depth as to why.
For a VPN provider while a pair of IP/Client is very easy to create the IP itself frequently changes. Hence the entire range is shared among the client pool. Clients themselves are frequently malicious as well. These two conditions make it such that maintainitg IP adress cleanliness is impossible. A VPN provider gives zero fucks that their IPs are rangebaned everywhere. It's not an asset for them. So, the reasons to track you is only to sell your browsing habbits. Which is both costly and risky. I am not saying they aren't doing that, but still.
For a VPS provider this is not the case. Cleanliness of the IP address is a huge asset. With a very dirty IP pool a lot of things go bad for a general client, from SEO optimisation, to more benine things, like SMTP traffic being randomly rejected all over the place. Plus, generally they have a lower volume of traffic per IP. Average website generates very little traffic, it's also pretty compact. Most of the traffic (just like most of the hardware load) is generated by the outliers. The other problem is that U/D ratio is reversed, which consequently can fuck with the uplink infrastructure.
So for a VPS provider, an OpenVPN instance is a fucking nuisance. A very easily detectable, personifiable nuisance.
Consider another fact, all of your traffic is personifiable by both, just as it is by your ISP. The only pro to using VPN is a jurisdiction switch, nothing else. Taking all that in, will you:
a) Use a specialised service that caters to your needs, has usually a good operating jurisdiction and a large pool of physical hardware and a poor incentive to track you.
b) Use an unrelated service that hates you, operates in a jurisdiction close to you, has a very limited uplink pool and has very significant incentive to track you.
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For me? It's riseup vpn
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>>83825999
>Doesnt understand just how effective catch and release programs are
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>>83820505
all americans are jewish so this comes as no surprise
never trust an amerimutt
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>>83826563
>all americans are jewish
there are 360 million americans, there are only 7.5 million jews. so according to you 7.5m = 360m i cannot wait for you shithole countries to be fucking nuked off the planet you brown rats
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>>83818461
ovpn.se
best vpn imo
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>>83826892
no
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>>83826518
>literal nonsense response
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So MULLVAD it is ?
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>>83826892
im gonna knock you the fuck out and suck your dick faggot.
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>>83827072
>copy paste
You can do better than that anon
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>>83818606
Everybody gangsta until youtubers start shilling mullvad
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>>83826480
workers of the world, rise up!
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>>83827021
you can buy mullvad with cash

if you want to use something like nord, you need untraced crypto
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>>83827148
> Lifecycle of VPN:
> Is created, has small following
> Gets bigger via word of mouth and small communities
> Company expands, starts getting log requests from operating country
> VPN starts to get attention from the mainstream
> Youtubers start shilling
> Company starts buying ads
> Company gets more users, and more investors see a good opportunity
> Investors have incentive to maximize profit, see easy gains in selling user data.
> VPN is now one of dozens that are just money sinkholes and do nothing for privacy.


Every time.
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>>83827106
thats based
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Just use Tor retard.
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>>83827148
>Everybody gangsta until youtubers start shilling mullvad
except they haven't, they shill nord and express. not even pia is shilled. pia will be shilled long before mullvad
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>>83827550
>Just use Tor retard.
you're the retard, tor has nothing to do with vpns, they solve completely different problems, RETARD
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>>83827148
mullvad currently doesn't have an affiliate program, so the youtubers would do it for free
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>>83827904
In the context of anonymity and privacy Tor does every thing VPNs do, but better and for free.
Nobody is using Mullvad or any other commercial VPN for traditional VPN use, RETARD
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VPNs are only good for bypassing geo blocks and maybe torrenting shit without being low hanging fruit for civil lawsuits. If you expect any sense of true privacy from a VPN, you're retarded
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>>83827940
nice lie kike
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>>83827961
>Nobody is using Mullvad or any other commercial VPN for traditional VPN use
hahahahah WHAT, holy delusion batman
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>>83827072
good morning sir
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>>83828005
>tfw doesn't know what VPNs are traditionally used for.
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>>83827106
>how to evade 4chan ban
>4chan jannitor salaries
top kek
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>>83827989
maybe it's a lie, I don't know
there is no regular affiliate link system with mullvad though
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>>83828245
so what?
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Hosting your own VPN defeats the purpose of what I want from a VPN.
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I use ExpressVPN for torrenting. Is there a better VPN service for just that?
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>>83828722
if mullvad tells the truth, it should not be shilled by youtubers
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>>83828977
you're claiming that if it's shilled by youtubers that it's automatically bad? but why? you're saying it means something deeper that is bad even if you can't prove it?
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>>83829096
same anon. which also suggests that vpns that are shilled by youtubers are all psyop honeypots? is that the implication you're making?
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>>83829096
>if it's shilled by youtubers that it's automatically bad?
Yes, because to fund the shill campaign they probably sell user data to cover the costs.
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>>83829129
How do you know they're paid to shill it?
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>>83825999
basically the NSA doesnt give a fuck about the heinous shit you do online. NSA is very weird and is on par with just a data hoarding mindset currently. it is most likely for neferious means such as shutting down future politicians from rising to power with the permanent inclusion of all posts from everyone and everything and generating a profile of every single person online in the united states and in neighboring countries. So you end up with a blackmail file on literally everyone.

or its there to help create a predictive AI that can predict into the future to a short period of time.

But the reason I say the NSA doesnt help out with investigations is that the NSA has repeatedly shut the FBI down when they asked for help.
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>>83829148
Not sure if retarded or b8, but do you even know how affiliate programs and in video ads work?
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>>83818469
>mfw using my bank card for monthly 12$ VPN

should I have used a prepaid card instead?
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>>83829220
not the anon you just replied to, it makes sense but regardless i haven't seen anyone advertise for mullvad, i don't think i've seen a single person even mention except for security related channels and i don't think they are getting money for it, they just mention it because it's the top vpn in terms of security
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>>83829308
yes stupid ass
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>>83829220
mullvad doesn't have an affiliate program AFAIK. I've never seen an paid ad for them either. I have heard it discussed generally from youtubers talking about VPNs, or on VPN review sites. However, if either get paid for talking about it, they're supposed to disclose that because of FTC rules.
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>>83829451
>>83829633
I may have missed a few posts, but I don't think anyone was accusing Mullvad of being shilled, it was the more mainstream ones like Nord and Express and Mullvad was being used as an example of one that's not shilled.
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>>83818461
At this point wouldn't it be easier to just stop using the internet?
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>>83830246
see >>83828977



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