Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)Why ThinkPad?>Used machines are plentiful and cheap>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain>Excellent Linux & *BSD supportThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads and specshttps://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWikiModern models:>X220/X230 - 12", 768p, cheap and light>T420/T430 - 14", 900p (1080p w/mod board), Ivy Bridge support on T420 w/coreboot, quad core upgrade possible, old keyboard swap on xx30 series>T520/530; W520/530 - 15", 1080p, DTR, 32GB RAM on quad core models>T440s/T450(s)/T460(s)/T470(s) - ultraportables, good battery life>T440p/540p; W540/1 - Last ThinkPads with socketed processors, easily replaceable trackpad (W541 doesn't need trackpad replacement)>T480 - last "real" ThinkPad, battery bridge system, excellent performance/battery life, getting cheaperUpgraded models:>X210 - X200/X201, i5-8250U quad core>X62/X63 - X61, i5-5250U>T70 - T60, i7-7700HQIPS displays, USB 3.0, M.2 x4, MiniDP, no dockhttps://forum.51nb.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=117BIOS replacement:https://coreboot.org - T440p, X131e, X1C (gen1), and most models xx30 or olderhttps://libreboot.org - X/T60 and models xx00Additional resources:https://biosimage.booru.orghttps://1vyra.inUEFI patches:https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patchesChat:https://t.me/thinkpadgeneralhttps://discord.gg/Ybdz7AS##ibmthinkpad on libera#/tpg/ on rizon>>82560578
>want to install Linux on X230>Thinkwiki tells you installation without CD-ROM drive is possible, no external drive is needed>Pre-installation tells you to create Rescue and Recovery Media, so I still require an external CD-ROM drive
>>82637647um... you can use a USB stick to install a linux distro. and if that's too complicated, just grab the dock w/optical drive, they're only a few bucks on ebay.
>>82637682Yes, but I meant that Windows recovery is put on a CD and DVD.
>>82637698I see, then just grab a dock with the drive.
What thinkpad should I buy that has a comparable screen to a macbook air?
T460 - i7-6600U, 12GB DDR4, 512GB NVMe.Docking station included, for about 350$. This is a good deal right ?
>>82638008yeah that's actually a great deal
>>82637647>>Pre-installation tells you to create Rescue and Recovery Media, so I still require an external CD-ROM drivelol, what clown distro is this? This is clearly optional, and as long as you have backups, completely superfluous.If something fucks up, simply burn the newest edition onto USB, reinstall the OS, and then restore backups.Also I'm sure the "rescue and recovery" can be burnt onto USB as long as it's an iso. Finally you can even pull the drive and save your files with an external USB 2.5" storage enclosure.
Just bought an X1 Carbon g5 to replace a T420.Like:>no optical drive>hdmi no displayport>great screen and resolution>wannabe mac/stripped clit keyboard>backlit keys>16gb ram>overall good linux specs over next 10 yearsDislike:>ram soldered>no ethernet port>battery soldered?>expensive>(((intel))) cpu
>>wannabe mac/stripped clit keyboardyikes>>backlit keysyikes>>no optical driveyikes>>ram solderedyikes>>no ethernet portyikes>>battery soldered?yikes
Why do all used thinkpads smell like old gross chain smoking men?Every fucking thinkpad I buy smells like shit, even ones that are in very good condition aesthetically.
Any older models that can get 6-8 hours of battery without needing to carry extras to swap out?Thinking like x230/40/50ish
>>82639602the cum that covers the keyboard also works as a smell retainer
>>82639585Its just an ubuntu client machine to use all the dumb bullshit today like slack and other desktop webshitThe only reason i didnt buy a used macbook was the higher price:lower specs and cuz lenovo cant just obsolete the linux OS that should be fine on those specs for yearsNo eth is a buzzkill though
>>82639602Well, my T420 is usually covered in coffee rings and a light dusting of cigar ash.
I'm looking at a p50 that is sold as non working. It won't boot and has what is known as the "orange screen of death". I'm thinking that that is just a problem with the windows install and that it will go away when I install ganooloonicks, am I correct? It looks like it will go for real cheap, maybe under $100
>>82639602I've bought many used thinkpads, none of them smelled like that
>>82637979>>82638008Its aight assuming the battery is good.>>82637647kek stop being a neanderthal and use a usb>>82637740All thinkpad screens suck ass, especially when compared to applel. Some models you can swap the panel with a really great IPS (T440p)>>82639563nice blog post. enjoy your downgrade bro>>82639626My x230 with i5 lasts ~6 hrs on a single legit new old stock lenovo battery.>>82639988Yeah that's a windows issue
>>82640594>>82640594>My x230 with i5 lasts ~6 hrs on a single legit new old stock lenovo battery.Which battery? 9 cell?
what do i do with my old dell latitude e4300?
>>82637601i need a cheap used laptop preferably with a ryzen 5 and up
>>82637601Why are the hinges on these laptops so shit? Crappy little magnesium stubs that screw into threaded inserts in the metal lid that are held in place by fucking plastic! I would have expected a Real Business Laptop™ to be better built than your average chinkshit.
>>82640708anon if you want good product you gotta buy american. Take the dellpill and stop listening to these chink-infested lenovo shill threads
>>82640888can we unironically have a dell/hp general? I really have no clue what product lines are good and what stuff lasts for years and whatnot. Also I've seen some Dell laptops with trackpoints, are they as good as Thinkpad trackpoints? I absolutely need a good trackpoint.
>>82640947Pretty sure Dell hasn't done trackpoints in like 10 years now.
Does anyone here have a video tutorial on how to flash libreboot on an 8-pin chip?The only (good) one that I found was by a guy named wolfgang, but it was about the 16-pin.
>>82641558Forgot to mention that the machine is an x200.
>>82640888It looks like at least the aluminium/carbon fibre Dell XPS actually has threads cut into the aluminium lid itself which is by far the superior way of doing it. It would be interesting to see how many others do it this way.https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell+XPS+13+Teardown/36157
>>82637601Just got a t450 for $90shipped.Had to add a battery, 1tb ssd and a second stick of 8gb ram(still on the way)Not bad, im really enjoying my first taste of linux
>>82641863>shadowrunner2009am i the only guy with my username as my first name?
>>82641558It's literally the same process, use the pin layout from the X220 if that's what you're confused about, 8 pin is practically universal
>>82641933Thank you, mate.
>>82641880I started using a pseudonym. It's all fun and games until you accidentally forget to edit out one of five instances of your name in a screenshot you mean to post here and some eagle-eyed fuck points it out.
>>82641863fellow t450 user here. I think its the best more modernish, and im rocking 16gbs ram, 512gb ssd, and repasted cpu.
Ubuntu LTS vs Fedora on a X270.Which one is better?
Can you swap a P53 palmrest onto a P15? I want read mouse buttons.
>>82639818Gross.Sometimes I forget thinkpads are used solely by smelly creeps.
Picked it up about a month ago, finally stopped distro hopping
>>82640624Yep>>82640708Thinkpads pre xx40 have great hinges wym. works on my machine>>82642098Ubuntu LTS if you like outdated packages>>82642239Using openrc or runit?
>>82642474My T420s has the shitty hinges I described
>>82642491They're not shitty, they're heavily used. I'll admit that there are some laptop hinges that you can tighten with a nut or whatever, but thinkpad hinges last longer without modification than any other laptop hinge out there. It just sucks that they're not repairable, at least they're replaceable.
What's your distro of choice to put on your ThinkPad?
>>82642925The problem wasn't that the hinges themselves were sloppy, it's that their mounting points to the lid had come off, so that the lid wasn't attached at all to the hinge any more. This wouldn't have happened if they'd just drilled a threaded hole into the metal lid itself rather than injection molding plastic around the lid to effectively glue brass threaded inserts to it. This is a common problem with cheap laptops that use all plastic lids and not something I expected from an expensive business laptop.
just bought this on ebay for $68, looks almost flawless conditionso hyped for when it comes
I'm looking for a cheap 12"er to install OpenBSD, not to do anything intensive, just to get to know the OS. Which Thinkpad should I get?
>>82642945I am trying debian mate with my first thinkpad I got yesterday, an x131e. the wifi is being a dildo, I just need the three broadcom files it tells me to give it during installation
t480s 16:10 mod when
the wifi is no longer a dildo, I am using it to post this. been a while since I used synaptic, it's taking me back to the satanic ubuntu days
Im currently between a Thinkpad T495 and a E495 both with Ryzen 5 3500U, the differences are not that huge but the T495 has solded ram and only one SSD M2 Slot, does the T and E really matter that much? The E495 seems like the more logical buy. I'm just gonna use it to play some old games, low poly 3D shit and light game dev, all of this in arch (I use arch btw). My current PC it's a i5 6th gen with a Nvidia GTX 950m but the Vega 8 in that Ryzen 3500U with dual channel it's far superior. What Do?
newfag here, got two questions for the thread; first off, why are the smaller laptops (14inch) more expensive than the bigger ones (15inch) of similar specs? Is it just cause it's harder to fit all of the components into the a smaller package?And second, I'm trying to decide on one of the current E series thinkpads, I need it for everyday casual use (as in no programming or 3d work or anything like that) and school, would like a 14incher for ease of transport, but I'm not 100% sold on any particular model yet, might get a laptop backpack thing (recommendations? are they worth it?). I'm looking at the E15 AMD gen2, E15 AMD gen3, E14 intel gen2 and the E14 AMD gen3. Are any of these worth it? Also I'm assuming AMD beats intel most of the time, just from what i've read online...Previous experience with laptops is limited to a lenovo B5400, been using it about nine years, I put linux mint on it about two years ago. I'll keep windows on the new chinkpad for now though, need all that office360 shit for classes, plus I'm not gonna risk fucking up a brand new thinkpad with a linux distro that I'm not qualified to trouble shoot and fix, my current lenovo does a bunch of weird shit I can't solve, so I'll just tolerate all the windows bullshit as best as I can, any tips on how to make it less Windows-y?
>t480 still > 600€Also, what's the point of buying new memepads with intel? Ryzen is more power-efficient and the built-in graphics are far better. In fact I fell for the ryzen 4xxx (((lenovo ultrabook))) meme with soldered literally everything and few ports. The cpu is great, but never ever I will buy such a piece of crap of a laptop (it may be ok for study tho and other things, overall it's okay, but it will die in two years). I don't care it the laptop is thin or whatever it is, if it limits the usage in some way.Meds time
>>82646001That's not proper electronic recycling.
>>82646001based, did the same to my slow ass X220 which is now replaced by a much more powerful m1 MacBook air
I heard gaming laptops are garbage, but I feel like been hearing that less in the past few years. Would just about anything from made recently be able to run DMC4 well?
>>82643131T400 is mad comfy if it has the 900p LED backlit panel. Great machine, happy for u
>>82637601When can this just get merged with /csg/?
>>82647113/tpg/ has been around for years and has a very distinctive culture on /g/
>>82643131P8400 is a bit underpowered, I would have tried to get at least a P8600
>>82643928X220>>82645178>why are the smaller laptops (14inch) more expensive than the bigger ones (15inch) of similar specs? Is it just cause it's harder to fit all of the components into the a smaller package?possibly>I'm looking at the E15 AMD gen2, E15 AMD gen3, E14 intel gen2 and the E14 AMD gen3. Are any of these worth it?whichever one you can get the best deal on
>>82637698>Yes, but I meant that Windows recovery is put on a CD and DVD.just create a windows recovery media USB, microsoft has their own program for it.
>>82647378>>82643131just get a t9900 or x9100 and undervolt, c2d undervolts like crazy
>>82637601>thinking about replacing w541 since its huge and starting to have a few issues>amd t14 gen2 is sold out>amd elitebooks sold outman am i going to have to get the only other 14" amd laptop (the rog zephyrus g14)
>>82640594>My x230 with i5 lasts ~6 hrs on a single legit new old stock lenovo battery.What OS? Any powersaving tricks?
>>82640947Technically this IS a Dell/HP general, since they both produce laptops for corporate use.I don't know how this thread got bait/switched from solid IBM laptops to Lenovo nupad chinkshit promoters.
>>82649146Manjaro/Ubuntu, stock install
>>82637601bought an x220i with the Celeron 847, what distro is best? have 4 gigs of ram, I can add more.
>>82650114ubuntu. celeron may be kinda shit but you'll get excellent battery life
What distro do I stick on an x200t?Preferably something lightweight that also makes it easy to configure the tablet features. Was considering Trisquel but I'm not sure if that fits the bill.
Is the t450s a good laptop?
Thoughts on chink 9cell batteries? I'd like to give my T440p some more life before I fall for the Apple meme.
>>82650273like 18.04 or 20.04? I'm gonna use either after step, cde or maxxinterface as wm.
>>82649918That's pretty impressive. I'm surprised it lasts so long.
temps have been gradually increasing in the past month. may actually have repaste it soon
recently got my hands on an old t430 that got windows 10 installed on it at some point and I'm wondering what steps I'd need to take to make this a fully functioning linux machine. currently windows 10 runs so fucking badly on it it's hardly even usable
My T420 overheats like crazy and I can't remove the heatsink unit because of this fucking screw that won't come out.
>>82637601are we serously pretending used thinkpads can be still bought? come on now. They're like 3x the price they used to be. The whole point of used thinkpads was them being reliable AND cheap. Now they're just reliable, and I'll take a new basic laptop with an active guarantee which is better than any used reliable laptop.
How do you guys undervolt your older (c2d) thinkpads?>>82650502Release doesn't really matter. 18.04 is really outdated now>>82652717with an ssd it shouldn't be so bad>>82653257good choice, runit sucks
>>82653494>with an ssd it shouldn't be so badI can't believe I never considered that the drive could be bad.
>>82652930Drill out the screw
>>82652930Don't do this >>82654229I've gotten worse looking screws out using the WD-40 and rubber method. Spray a little WD-40 on the screw, let it sit for a few hours, then put a piece of thin rubber over the screw and use a screw driver on top of that to gently twist it out.
i just wanted to say that I love my ThinkPads and you anons are all super based, you've given me lots of help and tips and I appreciate it
>>82654955we love you anon!!
Which classic thinkpad’s have 16:10 displays? I define classic as any with a classic keyboard btw. I would be specifically interested in any models that have a 1200 x 1920 screen. Obviously include any that can be upgraded to that screen. Doesn’t have to be stock.
How do I know if a thinkpad can get flashed to get a different bootsplash?
>>82655389I know x200(t) does
>>82655389the xx00 and I think the xx10 series has the 16:10 displays.
>>82655389W500/W700/T500 have that resolution. 16:10 models are the xx10 and prior, save for the w510/t510 (16:9)
>>82655456>>82655461>>82655801Thanks anons. They should maybe include that in the text dump for the OP.
My x220 is coming next Monday. It has an IPS panel and plan on corebooting. What other upgrades should I do?
>>82655417Yeah, it's a common feature of Lenovo BIOS. Download the update zip, it will have instructions how to replace boot logo inside.
>>82655389>>82655461>>82655801I have two retard-tier questions on displays.>1. why are 16:10 or other displays better than the 720 one's? I've seen a lot of ratio snobbery in this thread, but never really understood for what reason.>2. if I get a resolution greater than true hd (iirc 1080), will it still be HD? Meaning, will there be loss or distortion of pixels trying to fit the smaller resolution.
>>8265799316:10 gives you slightly more lines of code than 16:9, if you don't care for that then it doesn't matter - note that "720p" refers to the resolution, you can still have a 16:10 720p displayhowever the resolution on most of the 16:10 models only goes up to 720p, so unless you get modding the display panel, you'll be better off with a more recent ThinkPad with a 1080p 16:9 display, as it will still show more lines of text than a 16:10 720p ThinkPad
does the i7 x230 consume more power?
Managed to snag an really good deal on a t440p but it seems like the W key is not pushable and the thinknipple is missing :/
>https://www.newegg.com/p/16J-000T-01V27>lenovo sticker>NEW>only $79.97this cannot be real right?
So where do people find thinkpads for dirt cheap?
>>82659017by getting in a time machine to 2014seriously, most sellers are charging the same amount for X220s as they were when I bought one 7 years ago
>run thinkpad on medium load as usual>unplugged so battery drains below %10>connect charger and continue thinkingis this bad for an old used battery? I usually always run it connected and let it eventually sleep when I'm away from it
>>82637698There are many ways to back up Windows for easy restoration using Linux utilities like Clonezilla or Windows programs. However if you're just learning Linux and your computer isn't ancient the easy way to churn through distros (every noob does this as it's the only way to learn what you will like) is using Linux virtual machines on your Windows host. Running Linux on bare metal is not urgent when you're just trying it out for fun. My Windows machines get Linux guests and my Linux machines get Windows and Linux guests because it's all convenient and all free. W10 doesn't even require activation (though it's safe and easy with a bit of study).The suggestion to get the dock is always a good one and docks should get more love especially since most notebook users have external peripherals, and a DVD burner is a fine way to back up files so malware cannot damage them (burn at slowest speed possible for best burn, I've burned live CDs and DVDs since they were available).
Have any anons taken the full-freedompill on the x200 or adjacent thinkpads?>libreboot>atheros ar5b95 wireless card>free distro like trisquel or devuanThinking about giving it a shot but worried about getting filtered by the libreboot step.
>>82660800>>librebootI've used a libreboot X200 as my daily driver since 2017 with no issues. Although I recommend adding microcode to the ROM since you will run into stability issues without it. >>atheros ar5b95 wireless cardDo not get that one (AR9285), it's very slow and it'll turn the palm rest into a space heater. Get an AR9462. >>free distro like trisquel or devuanThose are meme distros. Debian is 100% free by default. >Thinking about giving it a shot but worried about getting filtered by the libreboot step.Ridiculously easy, follow Wolfgang's X200 tutorial on YT.
>>82661196not that guy, but do you know a guide for a t60?
>>82640667>dell latitude e4300If it's in good condition and you have no spare notebook I'd toss a twenty dollar used SSD (Samsung or Intel) off Eghey into it since spinning rust of the era is unbearable and keep it as a Linux trainer or backup Windows machine since being only one deep on notebooks is a bad idea. Upgrade to 8GB RAM using used modules if you can and while it won't be quick it will be much more usable than otherwise.Having an extra notebook like that is handy for data rescue, trying different distros on USB or bare metal and as a utility PC you don't have to care about. The drive caddy is a handy feature. I use my fleet of old T61s for all the above uses, to read service manuals, look up parts in my shop etc.
>>82657993Personally I think 16:10 is perfect for laptops, it just feels like much more screen real estate because your eyes can move up and down easier than left and right. Also, the 800p 16:10 displays on the 12" lappys don't look too bad. The filepicjer menu that pops up when you "open file" is 800px tall regardless of your display, so on 768p it gets cut off, but on 800p its fully visible. I use a 1680x1050 16:10 laptop all the time, and it looks indistinguishable from a 1080p display. Don't really know what you mean about loss of pixels... Try playing a 720p video on a 1080p display... It just looks a little worse, it doesn't ruin the video or anything
>>82661297It's super easy, the tricky part is making sure you have a compatible T60.https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-libreboot-t60-easysimple-commands
what's a good model to get for a parent?
Why is the headphone jack always the first thing to malfunction on these things?
>>82661624To clarify, not just the T460, every T-series thinkpad I've owned for the last decade or so (T400, T420, T430, T440)
>>82661666I have never had a headphone jack malfunction.
>>82661196Cool, thanks for all the info.Only issue, I have an x200t not x200 which unfortunately seems to be significantly more difficult (much more disassembly and requires soldering).
Hello from my new P53s, /tpg/!
>T14 G1 upgraded to 1.32>still loses 10% battery in 12 hours while shut downeric, simply eric
Hello guys,I need a laptop for college, do you think that a t430 with 16 gb ram, quad i7 35W, SSD and fullHD screen will get the job done? How is it in terms of portability and noise? thank you in advance for any replies :)
I'm looking to upgrade my T410. Is there anything that has a comparable keyboard and a decent graphics card for CUDA?
Libreboot's FAQ has a big "Do not use CH341A!" section.This is, unfortunately, the programmer that I bought. Are they right? Should I not use it?I'd prefer not to damage my hardware.
>>82663335that's completely wrong and based on faulty info from someone on an ee forum who didn't know how to measure the voltages, I've done over a hundred flashes with my ch341a without any issues
I have sitting around a HP ProBook 430 G5 (core i5 8th gen, 16 gb ram) and a friend is offering to trade it for an X260 (core i5-6300, 8 gb ram)... I fancy the thinkpad but am unsure if the specs downgrade would be a stupid thing to accept. Any advice?As a sidenote, the thinkpad is in better state than my HP
>>82663391Great to know. Thank you for your answer.Now to find where the instructions are in their convoluted website.
>>82663426Wolfgang's tutorial is pretty spot on (although I strongly recommend the Pomona clip), also note that he used a CH341A black without any problem either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcvWkEVBE0Here's a technical analysis I posted in the past why there's nothing wrong with it, and I have yet to see someone actually say they messed up their chip with one. https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/81730922/#81742138
>>82663763This is the one that I have watched. hence why I bought that specific programmer, but I found out that my machine has an 8-pin chip, and I have not (yet) found specific instructions.Thank you for the links, I'll be reading them.
>>82663941I forgot to mention that the target machine is an x200.I'm quite fond of it, and, luckily, I have an 8-pin clip.
>>82663941>>82663966Use the 8-pin layout from the X220, these are universalhttps://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x220#Flashing
>>82663998Oh, nice! Thank you very much.
Follow-up blog post to the previous post nobody responded to anyway:The ath9k m.2 card arrived, and after installing it in my T440p and testing it, I can confirm that it does in fact use ath9k. It even has not completely dogshit speeds considering it doesn't use the full slot, is 802.11n, and only has 1x1 MIMO support. It's a lower end card for the driver series, but it means that I don't need an adapter that doesn't fit into the chassis to humor the idea of installing linux-libre on this thing. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
has anyone here put in an order for ThinkMod's express card ssd adapter? I want to order one myself someday but I wonder if its already too late to order or something
My maxed out Ryzen X13 arrives Wednesday, wish me luck anons, got it for half price.
>>82664398no idea what any of that means bro, but thanks for sharing, what's the keyboard on the t440p like?
>>82665386>no idea what any of that meansPeople (mostly on reddit) recommend intel 802.11ax wireless cards because it makes the wifi fast. Problem is that those require firmware blobs to use. Any card that uses ath9k doesn't, but those are restricted to 802.11n and the glut of cards are in the msata form factor. You could use a board that adapts msata cards to m.2, but it's big and won't fit in the cavity the T440p has for its wlan and wwan slots. Turns out that m.2 form factor cards that work with ath9k exist, so it's possible to still have free (as in freedom) wireless on Thinkpads newer than the 30-series.>what's the keyboard on the t440p like?Fine. I know people complain about the six-row's key travel compared to good seven-rows, but its bigger problem is all the missing keys. It's not a dealbreaker, and I've certainly used worse laptop keyboards.
>>82637601>the Real Business Experienceso...an M1 Retina Macbook Pro.
>>82665555checkedthinkpads are for the real "secondhand laptops so cheap they might as well be disposable" experience, they're the casio F91W of laptops
Ever since I replaced my RAM and thermal paste in my x220, I've been getting bsod'd on my first boot of the day without fail. I'll probably end up reformatting anyway, but does anyone know what's up with that?
>>82665891what is the STOPCODE error when you bsod?
>>82665924whoops, would've been good to mention.DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Why don't they take newer thinkpads up to the ISS? Are the older models really that reliable? I feel like NASA would've found a better alternative since 1998, as in somebody performing better than a T61p
>>82666128it cost a shitton of money to send anything to space.
>>82666128Don’t space faring electronics require special shielding?
WIll a t530 cooler fit in the t430?
>>82664398is that the QCNFA335? I was thinking of getting a QCNFA222 soon
>>82666128Why would they even need the latest? A T61p is a million times more powerful than the computer they used to land on the Moon.
>>82667187It is>QCNFA222>2x2 instead of 1x1>Costs half as much as I paid for some reasonThat would've been good to know last week when I bought the little brother. Son of a bitch.
I'm selling a T460p to my friend. I was thinking $350. After using it more I'm noticing the 3 cell battery only lasts about 3-4 hours while Windows is on battery saver mode the whole time. Because of this I was thinking of charging him $300 and sending him a link to a 6 cell battery. This thing also has a 940MX and a 1440p screen. Is $300 too cheap? Is that kind of battery life normal? I'm okay with it being a little cheaper than normal since he's my friend.
x230, t430, or t480?
>>82667235gomen gomenI haven't been here in a while sorrywhat now? Will you go for the 2x2 one?
>>82667898On one hand, I bought it through Amazon, so returns should be relatively hassle-free. On the other hand, I bought it through a third-party seller, so I almost feel bad and it may be a problem. On the other other hand, given how shit prices were from third-parties on Amazon all last year and this year, maybe I shouldn't feel sorry. I should go for the 2x2 one, though, shouldn't I?
>>82667978ye go for it
>>82666802they send food and people up there pretty regularly I'd assume adding a couple pounds to the craft for a few updated laptops wouldn't add all that much to the overall cost, a more realistic reason would be that they just don't need better laptops up there.
>>82668278cool alphanumerical symbols
>>82661388pls help. can't get the commands to work for backing up the bios. i'm following this https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Libreboot/Install/ThinkPad_X60_and_T60#Back_up_Original_BIOSi get 'command not found'. is the order flashrom > i686 > those two commands or something else?
Do I need to update BIOS/EC firmware before libre/corebooting?
>>82668174uh no its fucking expensive faggot. it's like $10k to send a roll of tape
>>82668174that also doesn't mean they don't need better laptops but your a fag
>>82668174you do know the iss is the most expensive thing humans have ever built at over $200billionUSD
>it's SOOOOO EXPENSIVE to send things to space you don't UNDERSTANDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lpiXAHuyA
>>82666128It's just a guess, but I would imagine that anything that goes up must go through a testing process that could take years. They may have run thousands of tests on them, and won't bother doing it again with a different model unless they have a very good, concrete reason.
>>82668443>it's like $10k to send a roll of tapelink a source lul>>82668451prove it, with your infinite knowledge tell me exactly what they'd need them for. fag.>>82668459doesn't mean shit lol
>>82668510>prove it, with your infinite knowledge tell me exactly what they'd need them for. fag.who fucking knows its not like they dont just sit around running highly technical non-reproducible experiments 16 hours a day
>lets just arbitrarily send up 100 pounds of laptops every rocket
FUCK YEAHmore than 16GB of ram on a quad core first gen i7. t510 for anyone curious
>>82668559>>82668570>>82668598if they actually needed it no doubt nasa would be able to expend the money, not like they don't already send up extraneous items to the iss with each of their flights. besides 150k per laptop really isn't outrageous given nasa's $1.4 billion budget for iss operations alone.>>82668585why would they be using their laptops to do any heavy calculations when they can send down the data and have it processed on literal supercomputers? the thinkpads on the iss are mainly used for interfacing with the station's functions.
bought an x1 carbon 9th gen as my first Thinkpad, this thing is amazing and I don't think I'll ever be able to go down from here.
>https://youtu.be/X0DIHlnD_S0the video the btfod thinktardsyour bulky laptop fad is over. if you buy a newer thinkpad you will never get the same quality with a macbook.You cannot find one thinkpad that has the same screen quality, battery life and performance, it doesn't exist.Even a gen 2 T14 thinkpad has nowhere near the same screen quality, battery life, or performance as an m1 macbook. Just face it /tpg/ thinkpads are over
>>82668777mmmm yeah I love that shitty, non-replaceable everything, super fragile, designed to break so you spend money on applecare
I don't care what computers the globohomo uses in their space stations. Please respond. >>82668408
>>82668408Are you dumb?
>>82669017Yes. Please respond.
>>82669027Libreboot replaces your BIOS, so why would you update it first?
>>82669088I read some page in libre/coreboot's (I cannot remember which) website that recommended having the latest EC version. I have no idea why, so I asked here.
Guise, what can I download to make my trackpoint nipple more sensitive or the cursor faster than the default maximum setting for it?
Does dock stations play nice with GNU/Linux?
>>82669088It's the only way to update the EC which is separate from the BIOS
Should I buy a T480 with a shot motherboard for $120?
>>82669309Ah, well.I'll try to find out how. Thanks.
>>82668777>No Coreboot>me_cleaner is a non-issue but God himself probably doesn't know every backdoor inserted into M1 courtesy of your friends at the NSA>breaks if you look at it sideways>Have to buy a new one if it breaks if you look at it sideways>macOS only ensuring you can't actually do anything but run Safari and PhotoshitThinkpads have been over since Haswell and I'm still not buying your faggy facebook machines. What are you doing on /g/ when you could be at the gay orgy sucking men off, Tim?
>>82669463Calculate the total cost of buying the system board you want for it. If price is right, have at it. Building by cannibalization is fun and the HMM and vidyas will give you an idea of work required.
>>82669206Linux: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/75gv3i/how_to_increase_trackpoint_speed_on_linux/Windows: http://yehar.com/blog/?p=4080
what thinkpad between 200-300 usd?
>>82669791Well, looking at aliexpress, I can get a new motherboard for about 370, making it about $500 USD total. I've never replaced a whole laptop motherboard before. Is it still worth it in this case?
>>82669931you're well approaching the price of a new/refurbished model and with the added risk of a laptop mobo repair I'd say just wait for a better deal for a functioning one to come up or just buy one off newegg like in pic rel
What is a reasonable price to pay for each of the recommended models in the list of the OP? Let's say, mid spec, average condition, no upgrades?
>>82646001>not throwing it in the ocean so poor eels can get some chargengmi
I come to those threads to see if trip posted. God I want to impregnate trip.
i know nothing about thinkpad but a friend of mine need a new notebook and he's going to use it mainly for writing with office and watching netflix. what could be a good thinkpad (or any other brands, even used) that costs no more than 450-500 euros?
How many years before a thinkpad stops getting batteries made for it?
>>82667220In order to run Windows 11
>>82642945The software I use has no social effect so I use Xubuntu rather than do extra work fiddling with Debian, but either are fairly painless. Computers aren't exciting and Ubuntu mostly just works. If I had servers to run that mattered of course I'd run Debian headless.
>>82672337That post needs sarcasm tags
I have x200i modeland when I try to connect second monitor with displayport it's not detectedAny ideas why?
>>82671489Better to let your friend do his own research than get blamed if he doesn't like a used Pad. It's not important to influence other people.
should i get an x200? i'll only use it to shitpost and watch youtube
just wanted to say I found a T420 I want to buy but im going to bed now so no one buy it please thanks
>>82672747sure but they're hard to find nowadays
>>82669521https://download.lenovo.com/eol/index.htmlthink this is it. type in your model
>>82661196What is this microcode required for stability? Performed quite a few software flashes, but never encountered this requirement in the documentation.>Debian is 100% free by default.I think one difference is that Trisquel has a libre kernel (deblobbed). Also Devuan is for people who can't/won't stand/trust for systemd.Thanks for the wifi card recommendation, I've been using ethernet only.
>>82672747Get x260 which is cheaper than x200 thanks to fucking turboautists. You can also get a proper full hd ips screen. Autists have totally ruined pre-core series thinkpads.
>>82674027>What is this microcode required for stability? Performed quite a few software flashes, but never encountered this requirement in the documentation.This is pretty common knowledge among many libreboot users. And as someone with a libreboot desktop, I can say that the Core 2 Quads definitely need updated microcode or they will behave quite erratically. Another example, this guy made an updated libreboot for X200 before the most recent official update and commented on this issue: https://github.com/JaGoLi/Libreboot-X200-Updated#important-to-microcode-or-notI've never understood why the libreboot tranny doesn't like microcode, there's still factory microcode on the CPU itself, so not updating it doesn't make you any "extra free." The EC is a proprietary blob on the board that's significantly larger and more complex than a piece of microcode, yet they recommend updating that blob prior to flashing. Why is updated EC ok, but not updated microcode? Even Stallman himself said blobs that are solely located in ROM are acceptable: https://stallman.org/to-4chan.html>>Debian is 100% free by default.>I think one difference is that Trisquel has a libre kernel (deblobbed).The Debian kernel is libre as well. Even the Ubuntu kernel doesn't have blobs (they're located in the linux-firmware package). I used to use the linux-libre kernel until I realized it was a meme.
>used to have a maxed out, librebooted t440p>sold it when i got an x1 carbon because "lol why would I use that old thing">regret.jpg>thinking about doing it all again with a t430SOMEBODY STOP ME
>>82674105Thanks for the info anon.
Are dock AC adapters the same as the regular ones?
>>82674172>bought X230>quad core mobo is so expensive>can find T430 for below mid pricethinking of doing the same thing
best bluetooth upgrade for X230?>step away from thinkpad>lay head down on my side>tws earphones connection starts breaking up
>>82674850I had the same issue with my t440p and solved it by just using a chinkshit usb dongle.>>82674577Only real reason I'm doubting is cause I just picked up an x200t.But at the same time it's also what spurred me to consider it because I forgot how much I liked the old keyboards.
>>82674915>dongleI'm pretty much using all my usb ports already but its probably cheaper than upgrading..
>>82668278whats going on here?
>>82675430that is the inside of a computer
I will literally turn my T530 into a maxed out W530Tell me why I shouldn't
what type of ssd would be compatible with my t480?i want to upgrade the current 500gb hard drive to a larger ssd
My w530 suddenly won't turn on. When I plug in power the battery light blinks three times. That's it. I've taken the ram, ssd, battery, cmos out and put them all back in after letting it sit overnight. What's fried?
>>82637601>Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™I bought something else. You mad, fugget?
>>82675678do t480's support PCIe 4.0?
>Spent $30 more for a bigger HDDWoops
What's the most vfm thinkpad with pascal gpu?
>>82673513Thank you very much, anon.
>>82671489If all he's gonna do is use office and watch Netflix why is his budget 500 euro? Fucking T61 would be sufficient >>82672457Run xrandr to see if it recognizes the port existing, if not, try booting into an Ubuntu stick and sew if it recognizes it (I had this problem with manjaro, worked on Ubuntu). If the DP1 or whatever shows up, but says nothing is plugged in, its busted or maybe dirty.>>82672747yes it's very comfy>>82675695Are you using the 170w ac adapter?
what thinkpad for best linux support?
>>82675565because you shouldve done that with a t520 instead
>>82676608>If all he's gonna do is use office and watch Netflix why is his budget 500 euro? Fucking T61 would be sufficientGive it at least 6gb (8 preferred), a cheap SSD (desperately needed but used is fine) and flash Middleton BIOS (from USB or live CD/DVD) and they still do decently. I've a pile of T61ps bought for the WUXGA screens with dead Nvidia boards I stuffed Intel GMA boards into from T61s with bad screens back when it was worth it in 2012 and they all still run fine. The only T61 that died on me was one I bought in 2008 and used constantly for years. It shall get another system board on principle.>Run xrandr to see if it recognizes the port existing, if not, try booting into an Ubuntu stick and see if it recognizes it (I had this problem with manjaro, worked on Ubuntu). If the DP1 or whatever shows up, but says nothing is plugged in, its busted or maybe dirty.Sound advice. I keep Deoxit and an old but clean toothbrush and some printer swabs (chem resistant, sponge tip so no fibers) for cleaning ports. The old PC Doctor diagnostic boot diskette is no longer available from Lenovo but if ya can find it online it's easy to write a CD or USB using a boot floppy image. I've not diagnosed a dock with it. The Thinkpad Forums could be a good place to ask about dock diagnostics.
>>82675100If your ports are occupied then you're probably using it as a desktop so one way is do what I do and get the Ultrabase to add anything you want. They're a glorious vintage Pad accessory to which mere USB hubs do not compare. If it must be mobile with Bluetooth, toss a USB Expresscard into the slot (too many Pad owners forget those exist) and gain two or three ports. I've used two of the AKE for many years and there's plenty of info on the Thinkpad forums where it would be wise to ask about more recent three port cards.https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=97779
>>82677456I have an ultra base, I use it at my desk so I can make use of an external monitor, I just don't want to have to carry anything extra if I'm ever on the go
>>82674172Go for it. There's no reason to go through life without more than one notebook. I have two P52 for surfing but still use my X200/2.4/8GB and other old Pads. (I used to want notebooks to carry a PC everywhere. Now I just leave Thinkpads around home and shop and NoMachine into my fast machines and servers as needed.)>>82674850BTW the "more work" option is flash your BIOS to remve whitelist then install a combined BT and Wif card and remove the old Bluetooth card. I'm lazy most of the time so I'd go USB but if ya want mobility without taking up USB ports go ask what the latest greatest BT 5.0 /Wifi card is that fits (they're all inexpensive) on the Thinkpad forums and search r/thhinkpad for "Bluetooth 5.0 upgrade for X230".
>>82676119>do t480's support PCIe 4.0?Appears not but always verify using the psref which is a great Pad tool, especially for research before buying.https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T480/ThinkPad_T480_Spec.PDF
>>82677561An Expresscard should sort things out then and fits flush. https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=127819 is a decent overview.
>>82677866I'm saving the express card slot for the ssd adapter for eventual dual bootable machine. I might have to go with this anon's suggestion >>82677597
>>82640947I have a Latitude E6430 and it's trackpoint sucks compared to ThinkPad X230
What's Linux support like on newer shitbox laptops?I'm looking for a new daily driver.https://www.microcenter.com/product/635103/lenovo-v14-14-laptop-computer-black
>>82677919That post was mine too. Since dangling external drives aren't much of a mobile thing you might consider placing the external drive in your Ultrabase instead (and making that the drive you use the least and not while mobile). A suffiiciently large single internal SSD permits running your OS of choice in a virtual machine which generally beats booting multiple drives as it's extremely convenient allowing both host and guest OS to run at once, leaving external drives free as storage (which can be shared by host and guest. That avoids extra hardware. Of course you can also place your VMs on any external drive along with storage making them available to host, guest and even USB live boot hosts which can also function as rescue disks. (I keep Kali, Clonezilla, Bob's WinPE and FalconFour 4.0 for full Linux and WinPE live USB coverage and all my host drives have images of same for convenient writing to any handy drive.)Booting off dangling externals is annoying except on a desktop.You can fit more than one hdd in an x230. Not my pic but shows location that takes an mSATA and is normally reserved for a WWAN card.https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/9115001/img/Anonymous/Untitled-1.jpghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoJIzUnBAu4If you want even more space some have used a dual mSATA/M.2 adapter in the 2.5" bay but I don't know which boot best. That would be another question for rebbit and the forums.
Is T400 usable for basic usage (web, light coding, movies)?
best modern ryzen thinkpad with the thinnest bezel (and dual channel ram)?
>>82678416Best way is ALWAYS google the specific model (for Pads I also include the CTO code from the sticker) + name of the distro you specifically wish to use. Support should be fine but detailed, model specific info is what you need and should therefore seek. I did the above and found:https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/Lenovo-V14-IIL-Touchpad-not-working-in-any-Linux-distro/m-p/5063292Check the comments for Arch/Manjaro/ubuntu etc answers.If there's a display model at your Microcenter you could bring a live USB and ask staff if you can boot it.
>>82637601Brehs, I need to connect a SATA DVD reader to my x200 dock. I was thinking of using a normal PC one and connecting the sata ports (dock and reader) and use a spare computer just to provide power.Would this work or am I retarded?
>>82678416I forgot to add to check the Lenovo site, download the HMM and anything else of interest then do some reading to ensure you get what you want. Also note your linked Microcenter review mentions low battery life which may not matter.https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en82C6S03E00-N is the part number from the Microcenter ad which gets you V14-ADA Laptop (Lenovo) - Type 82C6 - 82C6S03E00Nhttps://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-v-series-laptops/v14-ada/82c6/82c6s03e00n?linkTrack=Homepage%3ABody_Search%20Products&searchType=5&keyWordSearch=82C6S03E00-NIt should be a good utility PC but I'd max out the RAM as on any notebook since RAM is the usual limfac and 4GB is smol.https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-v-series-laptops/v14-ada/solutions/ht504725-where-to-find-the-maximum-supported-ram-informationis not canonical as it's common for notebooks to take more RAM than they are initially certified for but Lenovo blesses it to 12GB.
>>82637601anons, I'm planning to buy x260, but I need a m.2 slotI know it's possible to install it. I'm curious if anyone of you owns x260 with nvmeI have 2 options: - try getting x270 nvme ssd kit - try getting 01hy319 adapter and DC02C007K20
>>82679179It should work fine since the SATA drive doesn't care where the power comes from, but a spare PC is rather bulky compared to an external Molex power brick with a SATA adapter if size matters. It's perfectly safe to try. I've done it to power 3.5" SATA spinners while transferring data to notebooks.Random example:https://www.modchipcentral.com/store/product.php?productid=17668
>>82679368Apparently those need UEFI mode selected to boot from the M.2 which is worth remembering if you need that option.
>>82679403>It should work fine since the SATA drive doesn't care where the power comes from>It's perfectly safe to try. I've done it to power 3.5" SATA spinners while transferring data to notebooksVery nice. Good to know.>but a spare PC is rather bulky compared to an external Molex power brick with a SATA adapter if size matters.I don't have one of those adapters, unfortunately. I have 2 old PCs on an open "mount" already, so it shouldn't be much of a chore as long as it works.Thank you for your answer and time. I'll be setting up the reader now. Have a good one.
>>82679482I'm running x270 with nvme in uefi modeI just wonder if I can use the same part in x260I've found a second solution on reddit, but it's more complicate and more expensive
>>82679616It won't hurt anything to try and you already own the parts. Post results if it works.
>Finally get heads installed>It's a titanic pain in the ass because I had to tear it apart, grab the bottom rom, put it all back together, and build it on the machine>But also I had to tear my hair out figuring out how to minimize me.bin as much as possible to make the installer stop bitching>Figure before I put it all back together I should swap the wifi card>The screw holding it in is so stripped it should be turning tricks in Las VegasNo, yeah, that's wonderful. Thanks a lot random ebay seller.
theres literally no reason to get a thinkpad if you already have a normal computer
>>82680474thank you for your valuable input
Which SSD size is compatible with an x200? 1.8" or 2.5"?
Does anyone here use one of these? How reliable are they?
Do you guys think it's worth getting a thinkpad just to use purely for shitposting/porn? I've a windows desktop that i often also use for schoolwork or messaging normie friends and i'm always paranoid that i'll someday accidentally send something racist to them
>>82681288just use a different user account or something
>>82681288yeah that's probably the way to go
>>82681300I was waiting for an answer before buying it. Thank you, anon.
someone on r/thinkpad is selling their libreboot X200 for only $90https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpadsforsale/comments/oqu8vn/usacanh_libreboot_x200_w_paypal/
>>82637601I unfortunately need to run windows 10 for school this semester. I found a used Thinkpad n22 with W10 pro on it.Hardware is:CPU:Intel Celeron N3050 @ 1.60GHzRAM: 4GBDDR3229GB SSDIntegrated GPU of coursebattery still works and holds a chargeI can get it for $100, is it worth it/will it suffice?My use case will be mainly networking and note taking. Programs will be Cisco Packet Tracer, VSCode, Onenote. Shit like that. Worried the RAM might not be sufficient enough. When I'm done school in ~6 months I'm going to wipe it and put Linux on it to actually use.Thoughts /g/?Thank you :)
>>82681492nvm. it's a HDD. shit is going to be slow as piss, not buying it.
>>82681492>Intel Celeron N3050I'd be more worried about this cpu then the ram. it's literally worse then the pentium 4, you can look up any cpu comparisons to know that's true.>I can get it for $100, is it worth itI wouldn't take it even for free, that's how worthless it is>will it suffice?do you think it'll be fun working on a P4 in 2021? because that's what it is>Thoughts /g/?you're better off buying any other laptop made in the last 10 years,around $100, T410 are possible>>82681679>HDDnot that big of a problem
>>82644932Soldered ram works fine in phones. If you will never increase RAM size it does not matter. If a notebook becomes obsolete sell or replace it, by which time whatever you spend on it now will be irrelevant so many years later.
>>82681492win10 would suck so much ass on that. for $10 it would still be too expensive, try a local recycler and pick up a thinkpad for cash>>82681288for that usecase screen quality might be of concern, try an old Chromebook with a nice screen and coreboot + Linux capability (check mrchromebox.tech)>>82681138it works but it gets really hot, even when its not being used, so I have it just floating in my backpack for when I need to transfer large files on my x201>>82680474>not wanting the true business experience:tm: >>82679028yes but look for a 1440x900 LED backlight model
>>82645769There is little point in most notebooks as desktop PCs are vastly superior. Buy whatever suits your current use case as notebooks, computers and all objects made by man or nature are transient and disposable.
>>82681870>it works but it gets really hot, even when its not being used, so I have it just floating in my backpack for when I need to transfer large files on my x201Good to know, thanks for the tip.
>>82681693>I wouldn't take it even for free, that's how worthless it isNor I and would not have wanted it free brand new. The specs were deliberately crippled by MSFT terms of sale to the OEM and they're so very bad they're useless even with a light Linux distro.
>>82681138Mine don't overheat but that may be luck of the draw. I've used mine since ~2012.
>>82681297If OP is that stupid xir will forget which account they're on. Best to use a notebook with a different OS, and being only one PC deep is retarded so the spankbox can be backup too.
Does anyone here have a W540?Does it handle emulators and medium old games well?
what kind of thinkpad should I get for word, excel and basic office work?i don't mind if its heavy