Apple does it again. They DO care about their users' privacy.inb4 freetards cope by pretending to use mail(1) and sendmail for e-mail
>>82027319They only pretend to care about privacy and throw crumbs at us but it's still much better than the other big companies
>>82027319their PR department "cares about privacy" yes
>this profit-driven private company has my best interests in mind!
>>82027319There's no need for gay features. Disable JS on your mail client. And that's it.
Oh, you mean the explicit "load remote images" button that has been the standard for any sensible email client for decades?
>>82027319>apple wants to have a monopoly on their users' data>retard thinks this means they care about his privacySeethe
>>82027500This.Other clients were already pretty much on top of this shit.
>>82027500>>82027620>>82027755>dude just dont load any images!Cope freetards. It's not hard to filter out those 1x1 px "images" and allow everything else, yet only Apple will make the move here.
>>82027782Anything else you load can also be used for tracking you.Any precise method Apple uses to block certain things, will be circumvented by just changing what they do slightly.Blanked blocking everything, because it's all unnecessary anyway, is the only sane action.
>>82027319>no user controlled end to end encryption>privacy
>>82027319Here's only some of what they collect
>>82027319Apple can fuck off. I used a Wireshark for the first time the other day and was getting continous pings from my girlfriends iPhone and AppleTV. No other device did this.
ITT seething freetards
>>82027812This. All closes source software as well. By definition it's not private at all.
Don't use html emails
>>82027867macOS is literally private
>>82027319Wait, is there any email client nowdays that load images and external assets by default?
>>82028467none of these were ever a problem on non-pozzed email clients, keep coping itoddler
The only email client I use is my web browser, and I have yet to be convinced to ever use anything else.
>>82027319>email tracking pixelsSomeone explain please.
>>82027470this guy is a giant LARPer, but I can't say that he is wrong. just if he chilled out with the LARP he would be a great youtuber.
>>82027319Every mail client on the last decade block loading of images of unknown senders by default, why is apple talking like they invented that? Pathetic that most itards eat it like a gospel.
>>82028557>blocking everything in order to stop a pixelfreetard cope
>>82028534some emails use html, which some email clients will load automatically, this may include embedded images loaded from a third party (just like a website)whoever has control over the server the image is located at can tell who opened the email (simply by linking to the image using a unique address), and when you open the email (every time)this is one reason why good email clients will not load external resources automatically, and will instead give you a warning
>>82028534>>82028568what concerns me here is that this is a new thing for apple...i don't think i've even used an email client that doesn't do this before
>>82028534>>82028568to give you an idea, if you gave me your email address, i could send you an email with a picture in it, linked to my personal VPS, and if you view that image, i will instantly know;- your ip address- what email client you used (they give a user agent like a web browser- what operating system you use (user agent)- the time you opened the mail down to the secondhell, i don't even need to put a real image on my server, just the link is enough, since my server will still log the request, so even if it appears to fail, i still get the same information
>>82028568>>82028615>>82028583Thank you friends, my images never autoload so it looks like i'm good.
>>82028568>>82028615Given pretty much every client anyone uses blocks these pixels, I'm fucked if I know why marketing people still make such a big deal of them. They are on absolutely everything.
>>82028615ps. even if you use a webmail client, this won't help you, since the remote resource is being loaded by /your/ browser, so the same information is sent out>>82028663most of them do, but at the same time many people don't understand why they're being blocked, and go ahead an unblock themsame reason people still fall for scam emails or phone calls, anyone who knows what they are won't fall for them, but many people just don't understandeven in this thread some people didn't already know what the big deal with loading an embedded image in an email was
>>82027797Apple will basically tunnel these pictures through their servers to you, making the tracking data from these e-mails useless. It's not just filtering.It's actually quite a complex solution that needs a lot appropriate infrastructure and I don't think everyone can just "do it".
every day i'm reminded just how far behind apple is at everythingwelcome to like, 20 years ago, guys...
>>82028583Apple's mail app also does this already, this here is to prevent you from being tracked even after you download the images.
>>82028687>loading an embedded imageworth pointing out that image data embed is perfectly fine and appreciated when done
>>82028722so a vpn/proxy? their solution is just give users a free proxy?>>82028735when would this be useful? if you don't trust the sender to view their external content, then is the mail not unwanted in general?in what situation would you both want the mail and not trust it?
>>82028747embedded as in in-line encoded, yes, that's finejust trying not to be too verbose
>>82028722yes this is a good thing by Apple. but here, watch the fat foot fungus eating freetards squeal and clamor about how apple is botnet and apple is bad and apple is stealing your precious daytuh.I'd much rather Apple store my shit on their server than Rakesh Pradesh from the Indian gay faggot nigger pajeets stealing my credit cards .
>>82028746>t-they can only track you through botnet.com/trackingpixel.gif and not botnet.com/mailheader.pngiToddlers are braindead
>>82028722You're just describing a proxy. Anyone can do that, lol.Only this way it'll be Apple eating all the data going over the proxy, which'll be the contents of your emails.
>>82028746>filter out tracking pixels and display the other imagesthere's no way to know which is whichyou can't even say something like "well just block 1x1 transparent pixel images", because there is no way to know the dimensions or content of the image without downloading the image, and it's the attempt to download the image which gives out the information mentioned herethe only way to filter specific images is by filtering the urls themselves, such as with a blacklist or keywords (which cannot be perfect)
how can freetards even compete?
Need I remind everyone that emails are not plain text anymore but HTML, which means CSS and all the consequences of that.
>>82027500Emails shouldn't have images in the in the first place.
>>82028872>and all the consequences of thatWhich have been a disaster for the human race
>>82028872can't say i've ever received an email that actually required be rendered as htmlsure, many of them have entirely optional theming with the use of css and graphics, but they display just fine without any of itpretty sure they make sure their mail works without graphics or themes for accessibility purposes
>>82028872you render your emails as html?
>>82027500No you fucking mongrel. Apple Mail had that feature for a decade. We’re talking about loading the images on their side while stripping the tracking shit and serving it back to you, all of this while keeping your privacy.Because normal people don’t want to use email like in 1990, we actually have work to do.
>apple fags think a pixel in my screen can track me
>>82027500>has been the standard for any sensible email client for decades?Including Apple’s. This feature is for lazy people that don’t want to put any mental energy into deciding whether a sender is trustworthy. You can get angry, but it fucks advertisers, so in the end it’s a good feature. Sort of like the not-a-VPN they’re going to include on the paid iCloud plans.
>>82029325i wonder what kind of work requires external media in emails from unknown senders>>82029326it can, don't go full retard
>>82029326It can. Do some research.
>>82029325So it's just Applel trying to monopolize spying, as usual. Got it.
I'd laugh if one day Apple became an ad company and used all the data it's collected over the years lmao
>>82029427Lel keep seething while your freetard mail client can’t do this. Cope, seethe and dilate tranny.
>>82029326open this picture, and i'll post your IP and useragenthttp://xxw4hzyizuyfqwt4op7rez463ijbbmm7gtgvsaqklegphya7wrm5q3id.onion.pet/pepe.jpg
>>82029648well, not IP, since this is going through tor for the purpose of not giving out my own ip, but useragent and time i can still get
>>82027328freetard cope rofl
>>82029682-- and referrer, actually
>>82029648How many ms delay between you posting and the first click, and how many clicks in the first second?
>>82029716nobody has been game enough to click on it yetseems they aren't so confident now
>>82029723well those of us who knows this works aren't stupid enough to click on it and those that claim this doesn't work don't actually know if it does or not so they chickenshit out when challenged.
>>82029729that is indeed the point, either you know it's a bad idea so don't do it, or you aren't sure so err on the side of caution and don't do it
>>82027319>email client>rendering htmlBut why
>>82029742what are you hosting on?
>>82029761just a tor hidden service, pointed at darkhttpd serving a folder with a pepe picture in itbecause i'm using a tor hidden service and not just a direct connection, i cannot see your IP in this case, since all connections are coming from the tor routerwhat i can see is everything else your browser sends to my http server (time, requested address, error code, useragent, referrer, etc)
>>82029785and yes i'm aware how funny "the tor router" sounds when expanded
>>82029785nice. haven't come across darkhttps before, will need to spin up my own.
>>82029852darkhttpd, despite the name, isn't related to tor or the 'dark web' or anythingit's just a simple static http server, i use it to do one-off sharing of a folder, since you can literally just run "darkhttpd ." to share the current folder on port 8080if you've ever used python's build in web server for this, you should try this, it's much better, and supports basics like resuming and multiple connections, which the python built in server does notas for how tor hidden services work, well that's just tcp port forwarding, the hidden service is just <onion address>:80 hooked up to 127.0.0.1:8080 (which is what darkhttpd is listening on)you can host whatever tcp service you like over a tor hidden server, doesn't have to be a web server
>>82029630I guess I will eternally seethe over the fact that Applel "invented" the HTTP proxy.
>>82029902thank you anon. will install now and have a play around with it.
>>82027319Not loading emails in html has been a thing since ever.
>>82027328Yes faggot they do , that's why we pay. They don't care about me specifically they care about our money . So if they see increasing sales because they add privacy stuff guess what they make more of it.
How should I stop email tracking with Thunderbird?
>>82030859thunderbird blocks external content by defaultif you want to load external content without using your own connection, then use a vpn or tor
>>82030859Load email as txt only or don't allow remote images.
>>82027319>blocking tracking pixels by defaultWhat, it didn't do this before? Yikes. Gmail has had this for a decade or so.
>>82028850The images are going to be relayed through multiple different servers, the data is going to be completely useless for tracking, it's the same deal as with the private relay, the data is spread through multiple relays making it impossible to "track" you because you're basically appearing as multiple users. The anti-fApple cynicism here is quite dumb
What's a good private email provider that allows IMAP?
>>82029693>>82030822>can't turn his iPhone off because they need it for Apple needs it on for their botnet spying mesh network
>>82027319> They DO care about their users' privacy.
>>82028872>>82029085>>82029326>>82030620>>82030888>>82033626>just read it all as text!OP predicted this kek
>>82028816You are braindead if you think this is how this will work.
>>82034879Do you not already read all your emails as text?
>>820348791/3 of those replies didn't say that you spamming little slut
>>82027839aside brand specific data, literally every other tech service collects those and more, including most (usable) linux distros
>>82033626they do freetard, cope
You stupid fucking idiots. NSA literally forces Apple and Microsoft and whoever else to install back-doors in their software, otherwise they're not ALLOWED to sell their software in the U.S. Don't you guys know about Snowden and shit? There is no such thing as REAL privacy anymore, anywhere on Earth. Remember, when Trump shared that picture on twitter, the one where it showed some aircaft fields or whatever? Everyone freaked the fuck out, because that fucking idiot showed the world, EXACTLY how high-def the U.S. military's spy capabilities actually are. It's, like, REALLY fucking high-def. Like, a lot a lot.
>>82034879You're not even an Apple shill, are you?You just want attention.
>>82035683Except iPhones can only be backdoored in if you entered your password at least once after the restart.Honestly, Apple is the kind of company that unironically still has a bit of a rebellious soul to it. They will comply, sure, but there always will be a "but". They have very small balls, but they're still the only corporation with balls left out there and everyone with half of a brain is aware of that.
>>82029325>work to do>shitty html email>work to do>>82029630>iCuck Crapple user>calls others trannieskys twice
Wait apple didn't have this feature? Gmail has been proxy opening this shit for decades, I remember I tried to find a friends IP using this method when I was a kid and came across this feature
>>82035683blocking tracking pixels doesn't keep you safe from the NSA skitzo, learn to threat model>>82036205cracking a password and adding a backdoor are two separate things. If apple has a rebellious soul then why did they just open a data center in china so the commies can read all the citizens data?
>>82027470That’s bullshit grifter channel. Those chink kids from rural area want job at those factories. Thirds worlders scraping for food and water.
>>82027446they don't need JS retardAll you have to do is load a picture with a specially crafted unique URL
>>82028722The sender will still know whether you opened it.
>>82034879>just read it all as text!yes?
>>82037975also what your email client is, your os, the versions of them, your ip address (and with that your approximate location), and exactly what time you opened it, if you use a web browser to check mail, your referrer as wellmaybe even other things i don't know of or didn't think of of by heart
>>82027319Think objectively here OPFirst question is, what "privacy" has been lost?>1) The sender knows when the message was opened>2) The sender knows the IP address>3) The sender knows the user agentNone of this info is special to "tracking pixels"Any remote image you load in an email can deliver this info about youAny remote image you load in your browser, which has this enabled by default, already delivers this info about youSo, what's so private about it?Anyway, let's pretend this is a big spooky boogeymanHow are they going to block images without breaking transactional emails?Google's approach is to proxy images for gmailThe sender still receives 1), but not 2) or 3)But now, Google READS ALL YOUR IMAGES BEFORE YOU DODo you think that's a big privacy win? YikesApple can't turn off remote images, because that breaks transactional emailsApple can't selectively load images, because any image can transmit this informationSo how do they technically plan to achieve "privacy" here?Like Google? LOL, sucker.
>>82027446Pictures have pixel trackers.
>>82027319>itoddlers pretending to care about privacy and tracking in emails when they're just gonna end up using gmail anyway
>>82027328You're paying for it. They found themselves a very profitable niche, with the benefit of giving a massive middle finger to their biggest rival in the US, which is Google.
fuck off shill
>>82027328tpbpbeverage just shot out my nose
they just cant stop winning
>>82027328this but unironically
>>82038226You have a case of 'nobody can come up with a better solution than me by knowing something I don't because I know everything'. I understand your perspective, but I don't think you're right in looking at it this way.
>>82037975That's *the* reason why any of this shit is done, to find out whether you read the email or not. It doesn't matter if it's Apple who loads the pixel, it still sends this signal back to the sender.The only sensible thing to do here is to load all images in all emails as soon as Apple receives them, then store these until the client reads the email. This way, the data becomes useless since the trackers are loaded even if the message never gets read. If Apple do this then they are truly based.
My boss is gonna freak about this lmao. He treats me like a friend because I set up the job that associates an image uuid with each email sent. When the user opens the email they request the uuid and re serve the image. But then the user agent and th ip is already logged. It's literally 300 lines of php.I even set up an maxmind IP location database that draw a circle on leaflet.js where the user probably was. He loved this so much that he paraded me through office and told everyone I was an model of an employee. He usually spends large amounts of time tracking our clients and separating them in groups based by their spending and citiy/neighborhood. He uses this to send the salespeople to certain areas/cities.
>>82035683Calm down, Dlanor.
>>82027319Lol, just use mail and sendmail for e-mail, cuck
>>82040869According tohttps://www.macrumors.com/2021/06/10/ios-15-mail-privacy-protection-tracking-pixels/it works exactly as I stated, through proxiesSame as Google, which means it's the opposite of more privacyInstead of privately receiving the images directly from the senderYou will be tricked into giving Apple a copy of everything you seeAnd then one day, they'll just take away the option altogether like Google is today and do it by default"""privacy"""
>>82027853Yeah, multimedia devices often do this looking for other devices to stream to/from. How do you think it works? Magic elves? It just spams your network to search for other Apple devices constantly. That’s how those lists are populated for connecting to devices via WiFi etc.
>>82027319Microshart have been doing this for ages.
>>82027328>Apple cares about privacy>all new iphones have UWB which is trackable to the nearest cm>releases shit like the AirtagsOh what's that suspicious anti Biden message on your iCloud backup? We got your location and are about to arrest you!
>>82041925>Microsoft and Google already spy on you and call it privacywe know