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Replaced the decorative fake bullets with real ones and it really opened up the stage.
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After 2 years with the 6XX I'm surprised going back to the HD558's by how much worse they sound. I remember loving them so much and I hesitated upgrading in the first place. The treble is so much grainier on them and the bass is really loose and flabby by comparison. I don't even have a dedicated amp for my 6XX but they still produce tighter bass than the 558s do.

Overall they sounded more different than I thought they would be. 6XX might actually have more laid back treble but it doesn't sound muddier, it somehow manages to sound clearer and softer at the same time.
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>>82021869
Speaking of 6XXs, I have to buy a friend a pair of nice headphones. The 6XXs would be my go-to but it is way more expensive to get them to Europe than what it was a couple of years ago when I was able to buy mine. Is there still no viable alternative to them at that price point for Europoors? My plan right now is to just buy him some AKG K702s and call it a day.
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>>82021782
600's vocal are god tier, but my new Focal Elex have surpassed them in every other way. A stupid amount of money for headphones? Sure. But I had my 600's for 7 years and I decided it was time for an upgrade. these Elex are fucking mental in terms of clarity, bass and soundstage.
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>>82022084
I don't know about alternative since they don't have the same sound signature but the new Sennheiser cans HD560s might be something? They've supposedly got better bass and more treble.
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>>82022121
I hope the Elex last you as long as the Sennheisers did. I don't know how but it seems like everybody that bought a HD600 or 650 has them forever, they feel like an outlier in how fucking long they live.
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>>82022175
Seconding this. Go with 560s
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>>82021782
>front io better than rear io
is this shit worth it?
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>>82022455
personally I'd prefer something internal over external because I don't see the appeal of shit taking up space on my desk.
Also there's the autism of
>is it safe to leave the amp on at all times?
>should I turn the amp off every night?
>should I plug out my headphones after I turn the amp off every time?
Just seems like the more volatile option of the two. Buy an internal soundcard and just leaving the headphones plugged in all year around without having to think about shit seems much better in my mind.
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any decent bluetooth headphones under $100?
open preferred
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>>82022084
Oh my god I recognise that shop and woman from taobao what is this black magic
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>>82021782
Can you faggots give me a good software and profile for my HD600? or a profile for EqualizerAPO64 1.2.1 ?


By the way how does Sound BlasterX G6's amplifier compare to Geshelli's amplifier?
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For anyone curious about the Modi MB vs 3+, finally got them both at the same time by loaning the MB.

Ran them through my Heresy and Vali2 for reference

The multibit is better, but probably not $150 better (2.5x). Would be better putting that money into headphones

The Sundaras out of the 3+ sound way better than the 6XX's with the MB, but the MB still improves the Suns.

It isn't much, but it adds the microdynamics into the vocals and guitars that makes it sound more like you are listening to the recording happening in the booth rather than the signal from the mics

Want to try a Bifrost now though, but will wait until $700 seems cheaper
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>>82022757
Why would you want open back bluetooth headphones? ANC is the only thing they are good at
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It finally happened.
My ath-m50s I got in 2014 finally broke.
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>I2S input header has pins labeled both "BCK" and "SCK"
>but no "MCK"
The fuck am I supposed to do with this
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>>82023478
MCK is not always included and is optional.
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>>82023478
>>82023526
https://web.archive.org/web/20070102004400/http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/various/I2SBUS.pdf
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>>82023526
The bigger issue is that BCK and SCK are different terms for the same thing, according to the spec.
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>>82023572
do you have a pic of your header
Most x2 busses have multiple names for the pins.
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>>82023588
Just grabbed it from the eBay/Ali listing since I don't have a pic of my own.
It goes 3V3, 5V, LRCK, DATA, BCK, SCK, GND.
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>>82022084
no point getting the 6xx's in europe, waiting months for delivery and having a non-existant warranty when you can get the 650s for the same price.
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What are the best wireless cans, low latency?
At the moment I got Sennheiser RS175.
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>>82023572
also it depends on your application. If you run a chip in slave mode bck is only needed (if it is supported) you need 3 pins.

Data (obvious)
LRCK also known as WS word select
and either sck
or only bck if you run in master mode and the chip is supported.
and a ground.
sometimes both.
you have all the pins you need.

BCK, SCK are the clock signals but BCK is slower. Some chips can generate SCK from external BCK. but dont think about it too much

WS, LRCK is just a signal to specifiy which channel your transmitting for.

Data is the information.

If you have 1 pin for each category you will be fine.

I recommend a USB Logic analyser. They really help in understanding and debuggin and can be just like 15 bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07KW445DJ/ref=sr_1_6?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=31QC2AIL9EXFT&dchild=1&keywords=usb+logic+analyzer&qid=1623372563&sprefix=usb+logic%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-6

started out with this debugging I2C
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>>82023732
Yeah, the voltages, ground, data and LR all speak for themselves really. I do know a little bit about I2C, how it uses a master- and bit clock, but it really threw me off how this has a BCK and SCK pins when basically everything online says those mean the same thing.
My first assumption would be that it's actually MCK that's labeled SCK here or something.
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>>82023879
well SCK and BCK can serve the same function.
And depending on application you just need one. So its kida right. Just try it out.
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>>82022208
I've had mine forever because i straight up cannot find a upgrade.
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I need help
x2hr, tygr 300 r, or dt 880 250 ohm? purely for music listening
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>>82024400
X2
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>>82024400
X2HR
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>>82021782
Lol what Skullcandy is that?
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>>82023387
because they're for my tablet and I don't leave home
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>>82024400
Recommend the other 2 over the x2hr, the x2 copper ring will eventually rust, the clamp is terrible but that can be fixed easily, and the Beyers I've tried are a better listening experience. If you have to get a Philips, get a 9500, much better than the x2.

880 250 will need an amp. The Tygr good luck finding one, x2 won't need an amp.
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>>82024961
>x2 copper ring will eventually rust
what? Ive never heard of this
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somebody reccomend me a dac please 200 dollars or less
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>>82024950
For audio quality, you'll want to go with a usb-3.5 dongle dac (the apple ones are supposedly pretty good) and run whatever easy-to-drive headphones you want

If you just want wireless so you don't get cum on your cables while you're watching hentai, I'm happy with my Q30's. Can't help with bt+openback unfortunately
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I just got the Skullcandy Hesh EVO and it's legitimately the best headphone I've EVER owned. It's even better than my Beats Studio3 Wireless and my Bose QC35s. Bose is always known for having the BEST audio loudspeakers OF ALL TIME.
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All of Sennheiser headphones are overrated muddy veiled garbage. There is a reason they sold out their headphone business. They made garbage veiled muddy shit for decades. I strongly recommend a Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro over any Senn trash. Fuck the veil shit.
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>>82025306
Whichever one matches your amp
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>>82025373
now what amp do i get
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>>82025406
Whichever one matches your dac
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>>82021869
I've had dozens of headphones(most of them cheapies) and it really is impressive how good the HD6xx are.
They're very subtle about their big dick energy but when you switch to something else you really start to miss that old smooth open sound. They're not even good when it comes to soundstage and it just doesn't even matter.
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>>82022757
>open bluetooth
99% of bluetooth gonna be closed back.
>>82023439
get ath m40x, HM5s or cooler master MH751.
I have the 751s right now. They're a little trebly but they're good. You won't notice it compared to the m50s and they're hella comfier if you never got a pad swap.

do it feggit
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Best closed dynamic under $300? The Beyer 770?
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>>82026051
>They're not even good when it comes to soundstage
if you want soundstage - listen to speakers. The HD650/600/6xx are perfect headphones.
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>>82021782
Looking for some simple advice here

Currently have a pair of Sony MDRV6 headphones and i am overall happy with them. But the issue i have is they don't seem very practical for non desktop use. The cable is too long and difficult to work with to use while exersizing , going on a walk , or something similar to that nature.

Are there any good headphones with similar quality of audio with a more manageable cable ( also ideally removable) for around $100 USD or less?
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>got 80 ohm DT 770 pros
>they sound muddy and really low volume
I thought you didn't need an AMP for these?
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I remember hearing from somewhere that lossless audio is something that some people can't pick up on. Is that a thing? When I invest in headphones will I notice a chance in audio quality right away?
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I got the Grado SR80x and I fucking can’t stand the cable it comes with. It’s annoying and it gets in the way. I don’t have the tools to mod them to be removable. Should I return them and get the DT 990?
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>>82027109
Dt990 doesn't have a removable cable either.
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>>82027191
Do you know if the cable is annoying? The Grados have this braided cable that gets jumbled up and curls
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What the fuck is Music Master? They seem to have a lot of rip-offs and even provide frequency responses. The prices are still high though.
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>>82023714
Fag
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tell me why not to just buy Koss KPH30-i and be done with headphones for good?
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>>82021869
When you say tighter... do you mean that the 6XX have more power?

I got 558s recently and I'm in fucking heaven so far. I want to be able to use an inline microphone, though.
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>>82027974
Headphones don't always need wires. What if you want to listen on the sofa? What if you want to get up and go take a shit?
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Hey everybody
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>>82028084
You keep your regular wired headphones and plug it to a good BT transeiver or portable DAC/amp wit BT
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>>82027999
I would say that the 558s out of the box have slightly more bass but it's not as focused as the 6XX bass is if that makes sense. The bass on the 6XX definitely sounds better. The treble is really the big thing, it is so buttery smooth on the 6XX.

things the 558s do better: imaging
the imaging feels more natural on them and I assume it is because of the angled driver. 558 is a really fantastic headphone no doubt about it.
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>>82025293
it literally oxidizes after owning them and using them long enough, the sweat from your hands will eventually cause it. A recent hpg thread had a picture of someone's x2 ring area with the words turning green.

My original x2 also suffers this and the picture I mentioned above was an x2hr. His also suffered some sort of other weird problem. They're built to feel premium feeling however the actual build quality is lacking. Just google Fidelio X2 rust problems and you'll see pics.

SHP9500 is better built it just isn't premium built like the X2. Those Beyers you're looking at are better built, near everything is better built as cheap headphones won't literally rust after such a short time.
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>>82026969
Why do you retards keep purchasing Beyers if you aren't gonna have a proper audiophile set-up?
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>>82028493
>>82025293
I've got a pair that I use on a regular basis since end of 2018 and this has not happened.
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Are Sennheiser HD569 any good my dudes?
If not, what is the cheapest headset i can get that has a microphone, wire, durability and comfort? Post models and i will see what i can get here in my place
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>>82021869

sennheisers are brutally overrated for what they cost these days
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>>82029125
cont.

honestly they're almost as bad as bose in terms of being over-priced, over-marketed, and under-built. won't buy another pair unless they get their act together.
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>>82029269
what does under-built mean? the 600 series last people for 20+ years.
buy a pair of chink headphones for the same price as the 6XX with quality control that is about a billion times inferior, and watch them break for no reason in 10 months.
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>>82029316
>the 600 series last people for 20+ years.

maybe if you don't use them. i put mine on when i sit down and take them off when i get up, usually several times a day. i'm not hard on them but no headphones i've used in the past couple decades have lasted more than 2-3 years at most without needing some sort of repair, and most are (needlessly) designed in such a way as to be irreparable. not acceptable.
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I have a budget of 100 bucks and I mostly listen to trance, cloud rap and black metal. what headphone should i buy.
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>>82029397
Probably akg k361, all open backs around that budget will have weak bass for that kind of music.
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>>82029356
you can replace every part of the HD600/650/6XX/660s, you can even 3d print the parts yourself if you so please. You can pick apart the entire headphone without needing any tools.
On top of all that they're sturdy as hell and pretty much impossible to break (alright post the snap meme I'm waiting, which btw the plastic that used to snap has been replaced eons ago)

600, 650, 6XX are obviously good headphones with god tier quality control, god tier durability, great sound celebrated by pretty much everyone that has ever heard them. What's the problem here? They're legendary headphones for a reason.
>maybe if you don't use them
lol what? people use them actively for that long without them breaking
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>>82029356
Creative Aurvana Live!
AKG K361
Yamaha HPH-MT5
Takstar Pro82
Tascam TH-02
Status Audio CB-1

If you push budget a bit
Fidelio X2 / L2
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>>82029447
>you can replace every part of the HD600/650/6XX/660s

where can i buy replacement parts? and those are all very expensive headphones. it's not expensive to build headphones that last, so why aren't their <$300 headphones made to a decent standard of durability?

headphones should not require repair (beyond new cushions perhaps) for many, many years unless they are abused.
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>>82029501
><$300 headphones made to a decent standard of durability?
go buy a pair of HD559 tomorrow and then try to break them, lol.
https://youtu.be/M5YHrQxFxXU?t=130
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>>82029501
You can usually call sennheiser custommer support for spare parts beyond the usual earpad or headband padding.

The 500 series (the <200 dollars headphones) are also very durable and easy to disassemble (but you'll need a precision phillips driver, that thing that you should have anyway for opening your PC).
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>>82029468

from now on, i'm probably just going to buy reference/studio headphones. the audiophile nonsense is just that. too much money for inaccurate sound and mediocre quality.
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>>82029568
Literally half of those are studio headphones.
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I'm glad I now own the scientifically best headphone ever created.
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>>82029553

the materials tend to fatigue over time from the cyclic stress of being taken off and on again repeatedly. sure, they don't fall apart right after you buy them, but plastic is not a good choice for this. they would have to be made very rigid in order to make a long-lasting plastic headphone.
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>>82029577

i wasn't saying they weren't.
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>>82029615
Glad you finally bought galaxy buds.
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>>82029624
>but plastic is not a good choice for this
But you have no idea what you're talking about because people still use their HD580/600/650 20+ years after having gotten them.
The only thing that wears out are the earpads.
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>>82029645
Sorry bro that isn't them

I can't believe the best pair of headphones that ever existed can be bought on amazon for the price of $159.99. It even comes with a nifty case.
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>>82029715
I didn't know the hifiman he400se came with a case.
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>>82029698

buy what you want, it's your money.
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>>82029715
You better not have somethin with an incorrect bass response in mind! Would be a shame if you were ripped off.
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If my mobo is pretty old, am I stuck using gaming headsets?
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Lads, I brought my amp/dac stack to an audio store and auditioned both HD660S and Sundara. Both certainly sounded better this way than with the shitty Dragonfly Cobalt they lent me, but I found myself enjoying my DUNU 2000J IEMs better than both. Is this IEM just that good? Or am I just spoiled by their clarity and energy?

Perhaps should I go a bit higher and get the DT1990?
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>>82029763
Incorrect bass? I like it powerful and thumpin'

And I like my treble bright and clear
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>>82029818
does your mobo not have usb
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>>82022652
>is it safe to leave the amp on at all times?
depends on amp
>should I turn the amp off every night?
depends on amp
>should I plug out my headphones after I turn the amp off every time?
depends on amp
if you buy a good amp you can just leave it on all the time and not worry about power on/off damaging your headphones
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>>82029715
I thought this when I got the HE400i 2020
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>>82029865
it does but I always plugged my headsets in the jack and they sound fine, friend lent me his ath m50x to see if I'd like them because I wanna get some and they sound like the audio is coming from a fishbowl left in vietnam
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>>82021782
on what criteria I should choose my headphones
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>>82029883
then get a cheap amp/dac combo for it
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>>82022757
portapro wireless
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>>82029818
Even if you use the 3.5mm audio just get headphones with low impedance (150 ohms and below, ideally close to 32 ohms) and high sensitivity (above 100, ideally 110 or above especially if impedance is high).
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Anyone have links to those sites with frequency response plots and stuff?
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Friendly reminder for Blutooth Bros:
Even the highest res AdaptX has no energy above 6khz, and S/N is <50dB.
Until someone implements Sony's LDAC, wireless will remain shit.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-bc3-review-bluetooth-receiver-bt-codecs.23740/
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>>82029890
Is it made in germany or not
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>>82029883
>>82029904
Actually, if the DAC is trash and the amp has a lot of noise you might be better with a 30 dollars USB dac/amp dongle like the meizu hifi.
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>>82029890
if sound comes out or not
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>>82029890
>Are they fashionable?
>Will I look cool in them?
>Are they popular enough that women will recognize them as a status symbol?
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>>82029890
if it has ammo in the headband
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>>82027993
you'll be done 'for good' aka the short time that super thin cable with no strain reliefs will last. they're also not particularly comfortable
they sound good for the price though
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>>82028493
Im finding no rust complaints witht he x2hr, only with the x2, fuck off you retarded beyerdynamic shill
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>>82029875
I still think this when I received my Focal Clear. Those Germans sure know how to make headphones, The French just can't compete.
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>>82029468
>Creative Aurvana Live!
you're really suggesting CAL! for durability? they sound good for the price - that's it. they're _extremely_ fragile headphones.
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>>82029924
>>82029904
so what should I steer clear of, if I don't want to use a dac/amp? these m50x seem to have low impedance and high sensitivity
for reference I use some old hyperx right now as my usual headset but they're wearing out and the pads are fucked, plus I wanted to get a microphone and just move on better products than gaming headsets
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>>82029919
Qudelix 5k doesn't have this problem.
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>>82029356
i've been using my HD650 every day since 2010. if i replace the earpads, i could sell them 'like new' today. if you wear out a 600 series in 2-3 years you're incredibly rough with your equipment.
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>>82029978
Try EQ on the m50X (oratory1990 or autoEQ presets) and see if it improves, if it does you just not like the m50X (possibly bright headphones in general), otherwise I wouldn't get any headphone minimally resolving (headphone minimally good) because you'll only be able to perceive that your audio input is a complete mess.
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why is balanced output getting pushed so hard in chinese DAC/AMP in the last few years? it's a completely pointless feature
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>>82029977
Was no mention of durability in the post I was thinking I responded to.

>>82029468
was meant for
>>82029397

Though the CAL! are super easy to repair due to being dual sided.
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>>82030060
>4x the power is useless
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>>82030060
Lots of extra power, theoretically lower noise, no real downsides apart from cost.
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>>82030060
Not if you have planars
Besides the best combo units under $500 all have XLR out, so why not.
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Am I supposed to clean my earpads? If so how? t. fidelio x2 user
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>>82030104
when they get dirty, yes
mild soap and water
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>>82030101
i forgot about planars. i tried a pair at the audeze booth at some show years ago and couldn’t get over the immense weight. are they really that inefficient that they need balanced for proper volume?
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What kinda bass do u guys prefer? Typical dynamic driver bass or typical planar bass?
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>>82030132
high end stax bass > dynamic and planar
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>>82030132
Planar, that's not even a competition.
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>>82030110
I tried once and it kind of ruined the glue on the side
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>>82028726
ignore him, hes just the resident beyershill
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recommending chifiman should be a bannable offense
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>>82030124
Depends, some planars do really fucking love tons of power and some T50RP mods / older Chinkfiman high end will actually start needing balanced out for volume

>>82030154
It's stupid anyways, oxidation is a really fucking easy to prevent point of failure if you know beforehand.
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>>82030165
is their qc as bad as it was a few years ago?
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>>82027085
The argument is mainly between 320 and flac
Differentiating them is mostly about listening skill, some people still can't even through good equipment. I've found that I can do it only on certain tracks that I am very familiar with (still blind before everyone spergs out), but with tracks I haven't listened to before I barely do better than chance

320 is going to sound way better out of good gear than flac out of shit
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>>82030145
I like the bass of a blutacked port modded sr007mk2 + subbass eq. Altho it did remind me more of the quality of planar bass with a bit less quantity. That said i tried it on a supposedly underpowered amp so im sure it can match high end planars with one of them mjolnir amps + eq.
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>>82030174
yea, but people keep on buying their headphones because PLANARS DUDE
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>>82021869
Get an amp for your 6XX and you'll be even more surprised at what they can do.
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>>82030132
Dynamic in IEMs > planar > literal AIDS > dynamic bass.
>>82030184
Amps are bottlenecking estats in bass.
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>>82023208
The only way to tell if they sound any different at all is with a blind test. But I'll give you a pro tip that will save you a lot of money in the future - they all sound identical.
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>>82027993
6XX is the true endgame
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>>82030174
It seems hit and miss. i had to send back the arya twice for replacement within a year cuz of some imbalance issue that kept popping up. Maybe they have better qc for their he1000 line up but idk for sure.
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>>82028807
HyperX Cloud II is actually quite good. It was based off of the Takstar Pro 80 which was a good headphone.
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>>82030248
lmao
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>>82029919
Does that mean with the AptX we are literally cutting out 6k+? Or is that not related to the frequency response so much?
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Why people hype up a product on
r/headphones and then end up selling it a few months later on r/Avexchange?
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>>82030530
Because we are addicted to this stuff and it's hard to fight it. Always wanting to buy more/new stuff.
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>>82030249
ehhh idk dude people be writing about all sorts of issues with these
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what software do you guys use to listen to music? groove music is kinda shit
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>>82027993
i tried them. they're slightly less muffled than porta potties but still basically unusable. i threw them away in the trash after about four days of trying to fuck with the earpads to fix the treble.
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>>82027993
No bass.
>>82030840
Pad mods actually make their treble worse.
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>>82030882
ok, well, it's nowhere near good enough out of the box to listen to music with them.
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>>82030838
try musicbee, foobar, aimp
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>>82030020
>m50x
>bright
surely not
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>>82030202
I don't know man, I don't like spending money
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anything better than the sony mdr7506 for casual listening within that price range? my previous pair of half a decade broke and I'm considering just replacing with another one desu
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>>82030238

lolno
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>>82030733
I've had my Cloud II's for over 2 years with no issues. They've been dropped multiple times too. But yea, ymmv.
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>>82031160
Just get something like a Magni 3+ or Heresy and you're set for life. I personally use a Topping D30 DAC with a Geshelli Archel 2 GMR. I don't ever plan on changing my setup unless something dies.
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>>82031201
It's a good headphone that you can be happy with until the end of days.
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>>82031160
>>82031334
You can also save a few bucks and get a Magni 3+ B-Stock for $89 before shipping. This is of course if you're in the US.
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>>82031334
>>82031368
I've heard people say Schiit amps damage headphones
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>>82031424
i don't think there were ever any reports of headphones being damaged
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Do you guys turn your amps off or do you leave them running all the time with the headphones plugged in?

Seems like a hassle having to worry about turning them off, plugging headphones out and all that shit.
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>>82031351
but its not great
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>>82031494
i turn them off when i'm done so they stop wasting electricity and dumping heat into my office. i don't think about the volume control or whether there are headphones plugged in.
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>>82031523
I prefer a bit more treble presence but yea, it's still solid.
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>>82031424
it was their older shit that was damaging headphones. the magni 3+ had some reports of blowing up but doesnt seem to be killing headphones when that occurs.
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Are bone conduction headphones a meme? I want to replace my current earbuds with something that won't dig into my ear holes as much
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>>82031691
haha
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why haven't they invented headphones that just beam sound into your head
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Still listening to headphones, grandpa?
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>>82031691
that's news to me. the first asgard model that lacked the relay mute got recalled, of course, but even the one guy who had one with an out-of-spec power off transient and made that head-fi thread didn't report damage. are you sure you're not just lying?
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>>82030295
if that was true you would literally hear no sibilants like everything was coming through a pillow
I think he's bullshitting. AAC has 16khz restriction if I remember correctly. aptx is more advanced I think
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>>82030295
>>82031827
He's retarded, there are FR for all the codecs in the article. He's right about the noise though.
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So what's the general consensus on the custom studio? Is it better than the DT770? I've seen a lot of yes and no opinions to that question, so not really sure what's going on with that headphone.
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>>82021782
Any good v-shape closed headphones with ANC if possible in the 380-440 $ range?
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>>82032157
forget to add that I want over ear
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>>82026746
The Senal BAKA-1000 is a v6/7506 clone with a removable cable.
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Wanna get the DT1990 and Beyer is going to increase their prices soon. Should I go for it now, or maybe they will get discounted for Amazon's Prime Day?
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>>82032279
Was just thinking about getting a DT 1990 recently too, I got to know this information too.
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>>82032249
Hmmm. Ess em eighch seems to filter. S*M*H 1000.
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>>82032279
Get it. Beyer are sennheiser killers.
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>>82026051
>They're not even good when it comes to soundstage and it just doesn't even matter.
Soundstage has always been overrated in this community.
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>>82027085
I got an 80% on that audio test with my cheapo setup of Superlux HD668b and Fiio K3, so you don't really need expensive gear, just need to listen carefully.
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>>82032376
I'm >>82029834 and that's precisely why I am eyeing the DT1990, the issue is that no audio store around me has them for auditioning. The lack of clarity and slam of these compared to my DUNU IEMs just sort of bothered me, even the imaging seemed stronger on 2000J. If the Beyers' sound is more like that, then I'll probably like them.
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>>82030174
Yep, they don't give a shit.
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I got my R70X in the mail today, still haven't gotten my modi3+ and magni heresy yet but wearing the R70X only for a few minutes gives me a bit of pain below my earlobes. Hope this is something I can get use to over time cause otherwise they feel nice.
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>>82031160
The 6XXs sound like absolute garbage without an amp
I still don't like them, but an amp helps a lot
I prefer them out of a tube-hybrid, but ymmv
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>>82032569
>The 6XXs sound like absolute garbage without an amp
I've used them with and without an amp and you're full of shit.
In what way do they sound worse without an amp?
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>>82032533
To be fair, neither do I
My sundaras could burst into flames tomorrow and I'd just buy another pair
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>>82029890
durability
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>>82032569
Show me empirical evidence (Frequency Response test) that proves the 6XX in any way benefits from an amp and I'll shut up

oh wait you can't because audiophiles are all full of shit.
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>>82032595
Muddy, distorted, lazy, no imaging whatsoever
They still are all of that even with an amp but it goes from "unbearable" to "eh, this could be better"
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>>82032642
>muh FR
Because audio doesn't consist of anything else besides how relatively loud certain frequencies

If you truly believe FR is everything, just EQ gas station earbuds and save your money
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>>82032644
>this asshole unironically believes an amp improves imaging
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>82032604
ngl, that's some butt-boy consoomer shit.
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>>82032642
I hate you ASR retards so much
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easily my favorite pair of headphones
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>>82032644
Is that you.
https://youtu.be/KsK2cmNRnNE
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>>82031012
It's certainly above "neutral" for treble (even if it's not beyers level), and the fact that it is a rollercoaster will be especially noticeable/annoying if you're not fond of treble.
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>>82032681
Might be the DAC, but I don't have an RCA out from my laptop to check

But yeah, the stack images much better. Thought I was just shit at CS until I played it with the stack and realized I was practically playing deaf
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>>82030838
Windows media player
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>>82032804
Why am I an ASR because I'm against audiophile pseudoscience snakeoil shit?
If there's no way of proving that an amp improves the sound, then why should I trust you insane people? Why should I trust literally placebo from people that throw away hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars on not even headphones but GEAR.

"This 800 dollar dac really widened the stage." alright faggot.
>the stack images much better
Jesus christ.
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>>82032896
>Thought I was just shit at CS
CS has its own audio engine that handles imaging for you. Your dac doesn't do ... god nevermind fuck me, you people....
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>>82032981
Just buy a few amps and try for yourself, retard. They do sound different, for better or for worse.

Guitar amplifiers sound different too, same principle.
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>>82032981
Try upper tier gear for yourself then, I'll agree that most lower-mid range gear all sounds the same, it's the upper tier where you'll find all sorts of sound flavoring. But you're better off not going down that road, diminishing returns hit too hard the higher you go and it can get really expensive. Would only recommend if you're rich or obsessed with good audio.
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>>82033010
How would the very device that converts your digital sound, including the imaging source in game as you say, not have an affect on sound. Not only are there different DAC chips but literally infinite ways to connect and arrange the architecture around the chip.
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>>82033021
if your amp sounds different that amp isn't doing its job right. An amp is supposed to make the signal louder, if it colors the sound you have a defective or shitty product, my man.
>They do sound different
I think you underestimate just how powerful placebo is. If they legitimately sounded different for real, do you not think there'd be Frequency Response tests out there testing different amps and dacs that show different results? how come there's none of that? why can't this difference that is obviously there not be measured?
>>82033049
it wouldn't because it just converts a signal, you either get audio or you don't. You can buy the cheapest, shittiest mp3 player from a cereal box and the stereo image from that mp3 player playing whatever mp3 file you feed it will not be different from your dedicated dac. There's no additional imaging being hidden away.
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>>82033112
>if your amp sounds different that amp isn't doing its job right. An amp is supposed to make the signal louder, if it colors the sound you have a defective or shitty product, my man.
And hearing is subjective. There is no golden perfect way to amplify a signal. Because of this there are different approaches to get your desired tone.

Just because you are too poor to afford audio gear, let alone understand it, doesnt mean you can come to /hpg/ and spew complete bullshit.
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>>82033112
>it wouldn't because it just converts a signal, you either get audio or you don't
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>>82033112
Just go back, your ignorance is embarrassing to read.
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>>82033112
Being both deaf and retarded must be a hell of a way to go through life

DACs do test different, that's why ASR gives Schiit so much shit
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>>82033195
ASR also has no idea how to test equipment, either. Their results can not be trusted at all. That whole website is a blight on the internet.
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>>82033237
I know, I don't agree with their methods either

I was just wading into the swamp of "tests" to deal with the retard
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>>82033165
>>82033188
>>82033193
>>82033195
I'm seeing a lot of anger and zero proof.
Here's what your amp does, it makes headphones louder, some headphones need amps because they're not very sensitive.
Your dac converts a signal.

Worst part is that for all your claims, assuming they were true, nobody could say whether or not the differences found were better or not. But it is interesting that while no two dacs are supposedly the same, cheap ones are because that's just convenient isn't it... something you don't have to buy separately that just comes with your phone or computer.. those aren't interesting and any differences there are just BAD.

Very cool.
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>>82031334
I've never tried AMPs, but all these posts I've read from audiophiles over the last few years has really got to me. I must be missing out on so much.

If I wanted to make a setup for my laptop, do I have to get something like pic related to go from the back of the AMP into the laptop 3.5 port? What is the purpose of the DAC and the GMR?
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>>82025332
I can't find the Q30 available in europe, but your dongle suggestion made me realize I totally forgot to consider bluetooth receivers. I just found a 3.5 adapter in aliexpress for my sennheiser's stupid twist-lock so I just need to get a bluetooth receiver.
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>>82033271
>But it is interesting that while no two dacs are supposedly the same, cheap ones are because that's just convenient isn't it... something you don't have to buy separately that just comes with your phone or computer.. those aren't interesting and any differences there are just BAD.
Different tech colors and shapes the sound differently, often times, especially in the upper tier of gear, it's done on purpose to cover for people's tastes and preferences. Sound is not one dimensional otherwise we'd all sit on the $9 apple dongle and call it a day. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

You have no experience with any gear whatsoever yet you keep talking out of your ass based on a shallow theory. Just stop. lol
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>>82033307
What headphones are you using? The difference might not be immediately noticeable if you're using something that's designed to run well off of a normal computer out

Think it would be better to just get a dacamp to bypass your computer's amp circuits through usb though
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>>82033428
>it's done on purpose
literally just EQ then. Why are you spending thousands of dollars on gear that is essentially distorting a signal to make it less pure?
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>>82033307
The Archel2 GMR is my headphone amp - made by Geshelli Labs. To get started you'd just need a 3.5mm to RCA as shown in your picture. Just plug that into your amp. Down the road you'll probably also wanted a dedicated external DAC, but the amp alone will make the most improvement.
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>>82033498
Again, you're ignoring the other part of what I said here. Headphones aren't the same and if you try to EQ them all to the same frequency they'll all sound different, and most likely they'll all sound like shit, not to mention that EQ is almost always a trade that you lose, you might fix something but you'll lose something worse in return. Unless you're some kind of EQ god there will always be a drawback to software EQ. Nine times out of ten you're better of using gear to EQ your headphones.

Why do you think audio engineers spend months trying to find the most optimal frequency for their headphones if some basement dweller could just fix all their issues in 5 minutes with peace apo?
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Audiophilia is about finding shit hardware among the sea of good hardware. When people say "hd600 needs a tube amp" they mean "I compensate the lack of energy in the upper frequencies with fake energy from harmonic distortion". Same with multibit DACs. Same with vinyl. Even cables to some extent - some of the more expensive ones are better at picking up mains hum than the cheap ones.
Headphones themselves and speaker amps are still mostly garbage though.
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>>82033443
Currently just using some cheapo JVC set, but I wanted to actually start investing in getting better sound.

>>82033561
thanks lads, time I actually getting on board with this stuff.
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>>82033654
the whole point of headphones is to avoid spending multiple thousands of dollars and then hundreds if not thousands more on acoustically treating your room in order to get the same level of sound wit albeit more soundstage and imaging.
I mix for my church. When I absolutely NEED to find something in the mix? I use a pair of ath m40 that they have lying around. My friend thinks I'm retarded and constantly tells me.
"dude wtf we have over 600 dollars worth of Yamaha monitors and a big sub on the ground. Do you really think those POS 50 dollar headphones sound better and will pick up more than a full monitor stack?"
The answer is yes.
headphones are the microphones of sound
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what the fuck do tube amps even do? are they just placebo?
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>>82033776
depending on the drivers it can make the sound richer
very nice sounding especially for classical / instrumental music
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>>82033776
They're putting orange LEDs inside to make them look like they're glowing. That's all you need to know.
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>>82033742
Heaphones>Amp=Dac
For total budgets less than $1000, the majority should be just in the headphones
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>>82033786
You do realize that even though it's "pleasant" it's still distortion right?
By all means if it sounds good then use it. But it is still coloring your sound and audiophools tend to by them because their top end headphones are too dry and the human ear wants pleasant and not necessarily the most REVEALING sound imaginable.
enjoyability>technicality
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>>82033803
a Magni or O2 stack can pretty much power anything anyways. Same for DACs. Not that hard to get a "good" one.
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>>82033814
hey you're not wrong
I have both. I like the tubes on my hd800 and my solid on my 1990s
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>>82025306
Cellphone + usbc dongle amp
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>>82029890
That they are made in china
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>>82033776
A vacuum tube is a different form of transistor - an old school one made by a glass blower. They work by heating up a small piece of tungsten which then gives off electrons. The electronics are then cycled through various means and blahblahblah it produces the boosted signal.

It is a different way to get sound, and some (like myself), think that it sounds more natural and realistic if done properly... I also prefer tube amps for guitars, for obvious reasons.
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>>82033814
You don't want anything that's too precise or too revealing, that just ruins a lot of music. There's a good reason why HD600/HD650 are so popular. Look at the something like the AKG k712 pro and tell me you'd use those as your daily drivers for years on end.
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>>82030295
probably it’s only related to topping device he tested
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>>82033814
>You do realize that even though it's "pleasant" it's still distortion right?
I truly don't care if it sounds good. 99% of what I listen to is poorly produced black metal anyways. I have heard the most clinical and analytical set-ups before and I HATE them. Music and sound is all personal preference. Don't let some anon on 4chan try and convince you of his personal preference - find your own path.
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>>82034248
>I have heard the most clinical and analytical set-ups before and I HATE them
There's a reason why these are only marketed to professionals, they're shit for most consumer use yet people still insist on having the most neutral and cleanest type of sound possible. I mean, it's good for some music genres but it's just shit for everything else.
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>have sundara
>have DT770 80ohm
>need more bass
what are my options in similar price ranges
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>>82034471
X2HR?
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>>82033776
Definitely not "placebo" because they test "worse"
I happen to like it for certain music. Makes crunchy guitar sound like I'm listening to the cab directly instead of a recording

But also a guitarfag so I like tubes
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>>82034471
x2hr
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>>82022455
not that one in particular, I picked up a soundblaster z when I could no longer use my xfi because mobos dont have PCI slots anymore and its great.
Even has separate outputs for speakers and headphones so all I have to do is switch it in software instead of using splitters or plugging and unplugging shit.
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>>82034471
Not a basshead (the sundaras are enough for me), but I thought they took bass EQ well when I tried it before turning it off forever

Was completely against EQ with my senns, but the planars seem to play nicer with it to my shitty ears
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>>82034666
EQing is 2deep4me
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Where can I get ATH-WP900 replacement cables? I brought some A2DC cables on amazon but the connectors wouldn't fit.
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>>82026969
lol what are you plugging them into, every device ive used was fine
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>>82023439
And nothing of value was lost.
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are superlux any good or just a meme?
if they are the first one which one is better for trance/rap music?
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>>82034935
>ATH-WP900
>actual proprietary connectors
Two options
Ask Audio Technica where to get spares, usually get assfucked with terrible prices but 100% guarantee it'll work
Go on Aliexpress, serch for ATH WP900, see if there's any cables, potentially get assfucked for various reasons

I've had to deal with that problem a few times with an Onkyo A800 which is wired weird but with common plugs and the TH900 which has super pricy connectors so even chink cables are $100.
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>>82035549
HD330 with a couple of simple mods + Apple USB-C dongle is peak value-for-money
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>>82034248
>>82034333
Tubes and solid state sound the same unless clipping.
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>>82035549
For the money they're definitely decent and have a huge sound-stage.
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>>82035549
The HD668b are good entry level headphones but they need an amp to be that, without it they're just kinda hollow and audibly underpowered. They're also pretty analytical and neutral with not much bass, I wouldn't get them for your genres.
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>>82035809
so what would you recomend for under 100?
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>>82035799
If this was true nobody would roll tubes
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>>82035938
Cables demonstrably sound the same and retards still keep buying them.
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>>82034699
just kidding, I copied oratory's EQ settings and now the bass is pretty fuckin nice
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>>82035938
Placebo is very strong. Try a blind test and you'll be enlightened.
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>>82035986
That is true. But, tubes are significantly more complex then cables, use different materials in their construction, and thus can easily be believed to have different sounds depending on which kind you use.
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>>82022455
I have California Headphones Company Silverados for my cans. Yeah flame me, I got them on eBay after CHC went out of biz because I wanted some metal, durable headphones.
As far as internal sound cards, I just went thru trying out in my Win10 machine:
>Asus Xonar D1/DX
(Fantastic! As good as I remember.)
>Creative X-Fi Titanium HD
(How can this be better?!)
>Asus Xonar Essence STX
(Wow, my cans actually suck. this card is amazing!)

I also have an HT Omega eClaro that I haven't tested out yet because the STX was so great. Supposedly the eClaro has the best headphones-out of all of the above, but I do use the EAX-compatibility layer that Creative and Xonar offers. (STALKER)
I have read others have good reason to avoid Creative like the plague; so, I can't reccomend them. All their newer cards are SUPER GAYMER focused and alter the sound far more and worse than Crystalizer did on X-Fi.
If you game w/ EAX, I would seek out a Xonar with the beefier headphones amp option. If you just want great minimally altered sound, I've read the eClaro is best. If you get a used one w/o the audio breakout it's $18 flat from HT Omega. Just got my new breakout the other day.
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incoming the best headphones you can buy for less than $300
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>>82036039
oh god yes this is amazing
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>>82036168
I lold. Welcome back DT cretin manchild
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I ordered this mayflower dac amp off ebay, shows up today and there's rattling inside. So I take off the front panel and one of these capacitors (I think?) came off. Is this fucked or repairable? No I don't have a soldering iron, wondering if I should just return it. I haven't plugged it in yet don't have a USB cable, wondering if I even should.
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>>82036228
>this is the man telling you that the dt 990's "break in" and lose the treble rape instead of you just getting hearing loss and not noticing it
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>>82036336
holy shit. yes, return it
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>>82036336
Not hard to repair, but yeah that's at least dispute-worthy.
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>>82036228
Virgin DT990 vs Chad DT1990
https://youtu.be/e3TyId1-1cg
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>>82036039
Glad I could help
Enjoy
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>>82021782
Is it a bad idea to buy headphones before any measurements are out?
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>>82035860
iems
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>>82036821
Yes. Although if you had to pick someone, austrian audio wouldn't be a bad choice. Still probably shouldn't tho.
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>>82021782
wheres the fucking pastebin
without people telling me what to buy i just dont know what to buy
someone recommended hifiman sundara, is this the correct pick for the price?
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>>82037300
Just buy them and if you don't like them - return it or sell it.

You are better than a pastebin.
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>>82036218
The X3 and Sivga Phoenix are in that price bracket and do the "open back with loadsa bass" thing better than it.
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i havent bought and headphones or audio gear since 2012
ama
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>>82037300
>Sundara
Yes
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>>82037374
how do you carry around such a massive penis without back problems?
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Retard here. Are the Sennheiser urbanite any good? My ATH-M20x I bought 6 years ago broke and the sennheiser ones seem like a good option where I live at 45 and 60 dollars.
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Is the qudelix 5k good or just a meme
BTW fuck it's hard to get that in yourope
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>>82028807
bump
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>>82030248
>imbalance issue
What do you mean? Like issues with the volumes?
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So got my schiit heresy in yesterday

I'm finding I like it on high gain on most, but not all, tracks

Am I losing my fucking mind or is there any reason to believe they might be different?
Volume matching best I can with only one unit (turn vol off, flip the switch, and then back to comfortable level)
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>>82037729
that poor kid, what are they feeding him? lettuce and water?
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Best headphones for gaming at 200$?
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>>82037978
Superlux 668b
Audio Technica AD-500X / 700X / 900X
Fidelio X2HR
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>>82037978
HD58x
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>>82037978
3 pairs of shp9500
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Razer nari just died overnight after only 6 months, charging doesn't do anything and won't turn on, absolutely no indication that there was anything wrong, just no longer works.
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>>82037978
px38x, literally designed for gaming
pretty mediocre for music listening though
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>>82038450
I mean pc38x
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>>82038353
be happy, now you have an excuse to get a good pair of headphones
whats your budget? do you want no sound isolation in exchange for better audio quality? what types of music do you listen to?
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>>82021869
6xx doesn't need an amp, it's also the best measuring headphone imo because the fr is super smooth
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>>82032564
r70x is a great headphone that's held back by it's shitty wing design

k612 is also another great headphone that's held back by the shitty akg design

both of these headphones offer super accurate responses (roughly the same as 600/650) but their inconsistent design makes them risky recommendations
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>>82023208
Do they still run hot as fuck
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Is the K371 a meme among $100 to $150 closed backs?
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>>82038604
The Modi 3+ is pretty cool, about room temperature
The MB I have on borrow is older and it gets hot
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>>82033640
Sean Olive would like a word.
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>>82034661
as much as I like the concept of these, and they certainly worked decently in powering my HD650s? My little FiiO E07 worked better and costs less too.
These are memes unfortunately. A well intended meme but a meme nonetheless. Just get an external DAC/amp combo.
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>>82039125
I don't understand DMS's hate of these. Pretty similar in sound to the HD6xx except skewed with more treble and less bass. They sounded a lil thinner, but that's all.
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>>82039440
I dont get dms at all. He rates zmf verite as s tier but i just dont think its anything special and sound wonky to me. Meh
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>>82030249
I wish they didn't have that stupid volume/surround box right on the fucking chest, the original Cloud I had it halfway through the cable and it was much better
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apple wired earpods just died Any recommendations for wired earphones better than that
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Can someone explain why I just ordered $220 6xxs, $100 Magni Heresy, and $100 Modi 3+ DAC? I'm listening to music though the Heresy on my mdrv6's, EQ'd to Harman as best as I could, and it sounds incredible. I don't even listen to music that frequently on my PC, mostly in my car, which again, sounds great. So I really hope the lute at the Bannered Mare sounds earth-shatteringly different when I hear it for the 312th time.
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>>82035285
a 2013 mobo, I thought they'd be fine too but they just have terribly low volume
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my takstar pro80's (aka hyperx cloud) are dying and i'm thinking of what to get right now
should i just buy another pair or is there anything else worth the money? Closed headphones for up to ~200 dollars. I really don't want to overpay for pretty much the same sound quality.
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i love it when people say something sounds distorted but have no fucking clue what harmonic distortion is
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>>82041014
There's no Hyperx Cloud I in production anymore. Either you get the II, which are worse since they're USB with 7.1 surround meme, or the Cloud Alpha which are 3.5mm jack but have horrible quality control and uneven volume.
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>>82041119
>There's no Hyperx Cloud I in production anymore
i know that, but there's still some rebrands of the cloud I being sold, so if i want i could still get them
I'm just asking if there's anything actually better, even at a higher price point.
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>>82041149
m50x if you want to spend a little more, they sound pretty much the same as hyperx clouds and don't need an amp like most others will
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>>82035860
Look at some closed backs like m40x or creative aurvana live, maybe add some more money and go for something like the AKG K371, otherwise you're probably better off going for V shaped IEM's like the TRN V90 or something.
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>>82036821
It's kind of retarded that you even need to ask that. There's much more expensive headphones than this that sound like shit, so naturally you never wanna go in blind.
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>>82041306
I heard the m40x/m50x have terrible ear cushions and they might as well be considered on-ear unless you're built like a manlet femboy
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>>82037978
pc38x or even HD560s
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>>82040214
>>82039440
part of his taste is just plain weird, think he does that just to be a hipster and differentiate himself from everyone else.
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The right side of my Audio Technicas just died. I was sitting still and watching youtube when it cut off suddenly. Changing the cable didn't work, different headphones did. I've had these for two years at most.
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>>82041363
>have terrible ear cushions and they might as well be considered on-ear unless you're built like a manlet femboy
in that case m50x are not for me, i've got a pretty big head
looks like it's clouds for me again
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>>82041149
just stay away from gaming rebrands and gaming shit in general, I remember my cloud II being awful as they messed up the FR to optimize it for gaming, even EQ didn't help that much. The only gamer branded headsets worth considering are the pc38x or pc37x and some of the steelseries arctis headsets.
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>>82041417
I have a pair of AD-700s that I used and abused for the better part of a decade and they still work just fine lol.
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>>82041363
Yeah, you probably gotta replace them. There's not many good options at that price point, and most of them come with caveats like that.
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>>82041454
so I guess it's either get an amp/dac and studio headphones or gamer shit
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>>82041418
>looks like it's clouds for me again
I wouldn't do that to myself, I remember the clouds being shit. You're significantly better off getting something like the Superlux HD668b, replacing the pads, and getting something like the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro if you don't have an amp.
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>>82041486
too much effort
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>>82041437
at least the isk hp2011 is still being sold, it's the proper old version

>>82041486
>HD668b
those aren't closed, my environment is too noisy for semi-open or open headphones
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>>82041439
I don't think I've ever had phones last that long. At some point they developed some kind of defect. I don't even move them around.
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>>82041574
I've dropped my Sundara or it's taken a dive off my desk way too many times but it still works perfectly fine even though it's hifiman. Then I've got a pair of sennheisers which showed up with a rattle in one earcup on day one. My DT 770s are starting to rattle on the right side during low bass notes.
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>>82041501
>too much effort
nah, it's three orders and a 2 minute pad change.
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>>82041587
>I've dropped my Sundara or it's taken a dive off my desk way too many times but it still works perfectly fine even though it's hifiman. Then I've got a pair of sennheisers which showed up with a rattle in one earcup on day one.
The opposite is a much more common story from my experience.
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>>82041613
Weird, innit?
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what do you guys think of these? i love the way they look
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>>82033792
They do glow orange because of the heaters, but the LEDs are there to exaggerate the glow and make them look like how they look like in long exposure photographs.
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What kind of desktop do you need to drive good headphones without an amp?
I have ATH m40x and they sound x10 times louder than the AKG 371 I just bought.



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