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Why Japanese are and were so bad when it comes to software? There is practically nothing serious that pops to my mind when it comes to Japanese programming and software? They don't have even local Linux distro

Why they are so behind of Chinese,Koreans and Taiwanese?
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>>82020789
shut the hell up they make nice hentai games
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>>82020789
i've long wondered this. japanese software engineers few and far between (and average at their absolute best).
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Compscifags were forever shamed by their shamefur dispray and spectacular failure with the whole "fifth generation computer" thing. Programmers are extremely low class people there.
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Japanese cosumers abandoned PC much earlier than Western counterparts because Japanese feature phone was ridiculously advance.

You could browse internet, write email and watch TV with your brick phone. Japanese doesn't quite understand the word “texting” because they only know (e)mailing. There is an entire generation of Japanese who skipped pc.

This is why smartphone caught Japanese manufacturers off guard. Smartphone was a terrible product as a phone. (Battery last just a day). They never grasped that smartphone was actually a portable computer with communication features.

In turn, there is a suprisingly large number of Japanese who are pc illiterate. Unless their job require to use outlook, excel and word, many Japanese never touch windows.
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>>82020789
They actually did, it’s called TRON (“The Real-time Operating system Nucleus”) and they’re installed everywhere in Japanese electronics.
ITRON runs on mobile phones, digital cameras, CD players and countless other electronic devices.

The TRON Project is not new; in fact, it was poised to its mark more than a decade ago, in Japan's PC industry, but the U.S. government intervened. In 1989, Japanese electronics giant Matsushita introduced a BTRON PC, a machine that stunned the industry with its advanced capabilities. The BTRON PC had an 80286 Intel chip running at 8 MHz and a mere 2 MB of memory, but it could display moving video in color in a separate window. Also, it had a dual-booting system that could run both the BTRON OS and MS-DOS.

When the Japanese government announced it would install BTRON PC in Japanese schools, the U.S. government objected. It called the Japanese initiative "actual and potential market intervention" and threatened the move with sanctions. The Japanese, dependent on the U.S. export market, quickly dropped the plan. The U.S. government later withdrew its threat, but the damage had already been done. Nearly all Japanese companies involved in TRON-related activities had canceled their projects.

Nevertheless, ITRON survived, and today it powers millions of Japanese gadgets, household appliances, automobile electronics, robots and even satellites. ITRON is also widely used in factory automation systems in China. Industry insiders claim it is the number one OS for embedded chips in both Japan and the United States.
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>>82020982
Thanks for this
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>>82020789
But they have virtual kanojo
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>>82020789
They really are goddamn awful at it.
I work with PLCs, and of those mainly Siemens (German) and Mitsubishi (Japs)

Holy fucking shit Mitsubishi GXWorks is so bad it doesn't even class within the same galaxy as Siemens TIA. One is like using a shitty piece of software developed by the most autistic spergs imaginable in 2002, the other is straight out of the 1980s and developed by a team of orangutans led by Terry Davis' retarded half-brother Jerry.
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Some of you don't know but Japanese actually watch a lot of youtube tutorials. It's constantly them or Indians on the comments of Phyton tutorials

They are probably main market for Indian video tutorials
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Have you heard about NEC?
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>>82020941
And how would you know this? Source?
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>>82020941
>You could browse internet, write email and watch TV with your brick phone.
nah
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>>82020982
very interesting if not larp
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all japanese people program is small games where the codebase is no bigger than 4MB and every file can look super neat and tidy. The realities of modern software development don't sit well with the Japanese zen mindset so they naturally can't adjust to the hyperactive post-modern clusterfuck that is how programming is today.

On the other hand, Indians are perfectly suited to the task because their society is organized like an open source javascript library with 400 contributors.
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>>82020789
Hafu reporting in, Japanese brain is good with abstract pattern recognition for economics and business but generally shit at logic. I'm going to blame the lack of importance for word order in their linguistics for the more abstract mind over let's say, an English speaking person (since English is extremely word order important)

I'm speaking out of my ass btw but it makes sense in my head
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>>82020789
Bunch of specialized engines for visual novels and porn games
RPG Maker
Wolf RPG
NScripter
KiriKiri
LiveMaker
and many more
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mmd is pretty based
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>>82020789
I've read that it comes down to their culture in the way that they are perfectionists and that software by nature isn't possible to be perfect, so the Japanese make less software and tend to overengineer codebases.
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Japan gave us Touhou. They have done their part.
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I could have sworn NetBSD gained some traction in Japan because it runs on everything. As true environmentalists, they will use hardware until they are no longer able to find replacement parts to fix.
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>>82023874
>Indians are perfectly suited to the task because their society is organized like an open source javascript library with 400 contributors.
my fucking sides
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>>82020941
Speaking of Japanese feature phones, the programmers were actually very impressive.
>They were truly amazing hardware for the time with, like most Japanese hardware, all software re-written from scratch for every model, often in assembly. Given that those constraints make it pretty difficult to even ship a clock app, and most of the phones shipped with web browsers (!) and fairly functional Javascript interpreters (!!), they can be forgiven for having terrible UXes. And they were, until Steve Jobs changed that overnight.
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/
fascinating article, not really about software, though.
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>>82020789
stfu they building Gundam over there
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>>82020982
I consider myself well above average in terms of tech knowledge, yet never managed to hear anything about this. I assumed old microcontrollers just used some purpose built ARM OS... Good to know.
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A lot of specific encoding stuff seems to be japanese in creation. https://github.com/rigaya This guy releases an open NVENC for example, among other things

All sorts of weird scalers and filters seem to japanese in origin too.
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>>82020789
A Japanese guy is the main maintainer of git.
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Square Enix?
Most popular and played Mmos to date?
Final fantasy 11 and 14?
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>>82020789
Because they're itoddlers, despite what anime dipicts.
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Japs just grew up differently with tech.
They didn't really have a "hacker" culture/ Bell Labs (?).
They had no Apple v Microsoft v [all the other tiny companies that lived and died in the 80-90s]. They just kind of skipped to big companies needing products on the shelves in 6 months. So the software needs written, and who cares how it's written as long as it works.
So that mentality kind of stuck probably, and everything is very 1-off and specific use to this day.
Odd how great they were with assembly though, and then when C took over, kind of seems like they lost any passion that might have been there.
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The Neo Geo was a beautiful machine to program for. Its base was 12MHz m68k CPU, but it also had a Z80 in there to help with audio, and they had a 2D GPU that help blast sprites onto the screen. It was hardware accelerated 2D. Computing was more fun in that era.
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>>82025202
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Geo_(system)#Specifications

Fun Fun Fun
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>>82022497
>>82022841
Not him, but read about J-Phones, particularly the J-SH04 which came out in 2000 and featured e-mail and a camera as key features. Japan was basically ~4-5 years ahead of the west when it came to early cell phones, so you saw a much faster rise in cell phone adoption around the same time that the United States and Europe were seeing mass adoption of home computers.
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>>82025029
>>>/v/
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It's time to turn off computing devices and the internet.
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>>82024171
it shows how they were advanced in a different field in technology back then. very interesting indeed
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Japanese are closed people. The products they make are for and by Japanese. Creating Software and computers in general are economically inefficient today unless people pay high amounts for the software, or they have millions of customers. Your not going to see their work unless you know their language and cyberspaces.

Also open source is a retarded fad for rich privileged Americans or an attempt to get a job in America by Europeans/South Americans. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit about some fat retarded autist who eats foot cheese and claims non-free software is bad.
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Japanese are based as fuck and should continue excluding the rest of the world and doing everything their own autistic way. I wish my country was as exclusive to its people as Japan is.
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>>82020789
Learn how to speak english fucking nigger
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>>82020911
Pretty much this. Their national AI project in the 80s was a failure
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>>82025145
>They didn't really have a "hacker" culture/ Bell Labs (?).
And that's good.
Hacker culture gave us UNIX and C, the worst computer software ever made.
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>>82020789
Asian guy reporting here. Anyone gonna mention Ruby?
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>>82020911
>Programmers are extremely low class people there.
Based.
Programmers must be treated in that way everywhere.
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>>82022841
You literally could you dumb fuck. I was doing that when I studied abroad there in 2004…
Everything he said is correct, there phones were so advanced in the early 2000’s people didn’t buy laptops or pc’s, and to this day Japanese still use their phones for all things internet related instead of laptops.
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>>82020789
>They don't have even local Linux distro
https://www.vinelinux.org/
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>>82027385
cute grapes
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>>82020789
What about Ruby on Rails?
Its creator was Japanese, and personally speaking Ruby is my favourite programming language uwu
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>>82020789
We did some work with the Japanese on embedded software. It really just turned out that their way of engineering is way too slow even by embedded standards. I can't imagine them cutting it out in commercial software (as in the one that interacts with the user directly), since their solutions, while generally good, will be horribly out of date.
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>>82027417
its dead
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>>82025029
>>82025482
XIV is probably the least japanese, japanese game. Normally they're only for a single console and written in a way that any PC port that does happen runs like shit.
Makes sense when you look at home PC stats, they're all using their phones as mentioned above.
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>>82027417
Ruby is not Ruby On Rails. Ruby was made by Matz and RoR was made by DHH.
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>>82020789
>There is practically nothing serious that pops to my mind when it comes to Japanese programming and software?
CrystalDiskInfo
>They don't have even local Linux distro
Fuguita
Also this >>82023874
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I have been living in Japan for 6 years now. Programming is a disrespected field in Japan. Like it's akin to saying you're a janitor.

This is because Japan is a bit of a weird society compared to the west. They aren't really capitalist in the western sense of maximizing profit. They are "corporatist" and they actually focus on maximizing "face" towards the public which sounds insane but is actually true.

The success of Japanese companies is not measured in Profit, Revenue or Growth. Instead it's the amount of employees they have that is used as a gauge to show how successful a company is.

Thus there is this practice of hiring as much people as possible and give them a shitty wage doing bullshit jobs. Usually they are given "fax operator" as role.

This is also why Japanese businesses make a lot of hours. Making your company look busy and sprawling with employees makes you more successful so that is the strategy. Make everyone stay at work 12 hours a day doing nothing but looking busy.

Well now that you understand that lets look at "programming". Well in the 1970s and 1980s when the Japanese economy was booming Japanese companies noticed that computers were the future and they wanted to show that they were successful in the field. So they did it the only way they knew. Hire as much "programmers" as possible. This wouldn't be a problem if they actually hired programmers. But turns out the most effective way is to just hire the cheapest people and hire as much as possible of them and give them the designation "programmer"

So you had companies that hired hundreds of random people and placed them behind a computer with 0 skills just to say on paper that you have a large computer programming division to boost your prestige and stock performance.

What actually happened though is that ACTUAL programmers got the same shitty minimum wages as the fake programmers so people were dissuaded from going into programming. These companies made 0 progress in the PC field

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So when the Japanese economy crashed a couple of years later in 1995 (which it still hasn't recovered from). All of these people were fired or reshuffled. "Programmer" now had a bad reputation for being a placeholder job with no actual purpose. The rate companies were willing to pay for programmers was sometimes below minimum wage because of the expectation that it were people with 0 skills. This resulted in students not picking computer science because it's considered a janitorial shit job.

This has led to a downward spiral that persists to this day. Japanese people talented enough to become good programmers don't become programmers but go into mathematics and business administration instead. Leaving only the dregs and ultra obsessed to go into these fields. Usually employees disguise the fact that they are programmers by having their function be called "architect, designer, engineer, technology specialist" etc all to avoid having the label programmer/software.

Most Japanese companies that require IT talent straight up just outsource it to westerners (this is where I come in). But it's pretty funny all westerners that are programmers/software engineers working in Japan straight up never tell they are.

If you go to a bar here and talk a girl up and she asks what you're doing and you say you're a programmer/software engineer she straight up pulls a disgust face and ignores you the rest of the night. It's always funny seeing new westerners experience that for the first time and it's kinda a tradition/prank we have to not tell it to new people so that we can laugh when they try to brag about being programmers (prestigious in the west) and being treated like a pedophile by Japanese women.

TL;DR: Japanese people are bad at software because software has a bad cultural stigma and shit wages which results in talented people avoiding software development.

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>>82022497
Can't comment on the generation skipping PCs and being computer illiterate (all of my JP friends are average normie PC users themselves I guess), but the phone thing is true. While we were crying to sleep when taking hours to download a 500kb ringtone from a shitty wap site, the japs were paying for shit through their proprietary system they had back then. Pretty cool.
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>>82020982
(I)TRON more of a standard, than an actual OS. But yeah this counts.
>>82024850
Most people who say that usually mostly know about popular tech (computers, smartphones etc). Very few people know about industrial tech and the like (which makes sense since it's not that interesting and doesn't impact most people directly). /g/ is actually a very good example of this.
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>>82025029
Technology wise it's garbage. Mogstation is the most retarded account management website I've seen for a game ever. The launcher sucks. Their cross-server implementation leaves much to be desired. etc. etc.
>Most popular and played Mmos to date?
It's big, but wow and fucking runescape still takes the cake by a large margin.
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>If you go to a bar here and talk a girl up and she asks what you're doing and you say you're a programmer/software engineer she straight up pulls a disgust face and ignores you the rest of the night.

lol based

Is there an alternative though, except straight up lying about your job and assuming that no one bothers to ask any further? Engineer and software engineer are different things after all
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>>82028381
Everyone just straight up lies or calls themselves an alternative title or say "I work for a western company".

When you're in a relationship with them they notice you actually make good money so they don't even think you could possibly be a programmer as that would conflict with their view of what programmers are.

I really don't recommend marrying a Jap chick though. They are all extremely shallow and I've never met an expat that was actually happily married.
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>>82023913
you know, i've noticed it too, as a russian native speaker and also having learned german. how different languages have different strengths.
thinking and talking in english gives you a big multiplier when discussing technical topics.
german is probably the best language for conveying anger
russian is generally weak in most stats
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>>82028473
I wasn't sure wheter to trust what you were saying about programmers in japan, but I do agree on the point that the one japanese chick I lived with was very shallow, to the point of locking her next host family out of the room she was to share with one of their kids and demanding her own.

Shame, because I got major yellow fever.
It seems to be like that in most of east asia, though Japan is especially stupid with their workplace culture as well from what I hear.
(seniority over competence + no worker mobility between companies resulting in very stale codebases + running workers on zombie mode due to the overtime culture)
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>>82023913
nah they're good at electrics and electronics, computers just haven't trickled down into their ancient culture yet
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>>82028648
It's a lot easier to pronounce russian when drunk given that their phonemes are more... "distinct"

Probably only reason russian exists.
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>>82028650
japs have a very unique work culture, in that workers promise their dedication, time and career, and the company promises to take care of pretty much every other aspect of their life, like housing, finding a partner (within the company) for them, being there (in a very minimum capacity though) in times of need, and so on. It's a mutually beneficial contract between two entities you just don't really see in the western world. Companies wants "ideal" workers to keep their image nice, and the workers get a lot of burdens of their life taken care of in exchange.
Though apparently the "lifetime to one company" has gradually loosened up.
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>>82028763
ah yea, that is true
letters like I E / И E, J G / Ж Г are further apart and more distinct
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>>82027222
Yes, it's the based department calling in.
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>>82028110
>If you go to a bar here and talk a girl up and she asks what you're doing and you say you're a programmer/software engineer she straight up pulls a disgust face and ignores you the rest of the night.
Not in my experience.
They're all impressed when I say I do programming.
And people don't even consider programming as prestigious in the west, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you're just larping.
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>>82020789
Yamaha/Korg digital synths were great
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>>82028096
https://twitter.com/alvinfoo/status/1402494032555565057

Japanese ice cream manufacturer made this commercial apologizing publicly for increasing their ice cream price for the first time in 25 years
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>>82029051
Japanese yen is deflating so that makes sense. Yen 25 years ago was worth less than Yen now.
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>>82028932
Not him but it's indeed true that programmers are disrespected in Japan. Usually the girls just have white fever so they don't care even if you were homeless as they just want the D though. It depends on where you live but in the United States, or at least the west coast/silicon valley being a programmer is indeed prestigious. It might be different in Europe though. I wouldn't know. I've only been to Japan on holidays so I won't call myself an expert or anything.
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>>82029167
were kawaii jap anime girls begging for your big gaijin cock at every opportunity?

are they mostly attracted to white skin, or ~whiteness? i have blue eyes but my skin is tanner than most
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>>82029228
Being white in Japan adds about 3 points to your normal score. So if you're a 6/10 in the west that can get laid but doesn't slay you're an absolute monster in Japan that can just go into clubs, walk to any girl you see and pick them up easily.

If you have blue eyes they'll just assume you are tan from sun exposure since Japanese people can't comprehend that blue eyes belong to people other than completely white people.
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>>82029278
Do the kind of girls in japanese clubs even speak english?
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>>82029340
>>82029278
the gaijin fuckers know enough to fuck all the gaijins
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>>82029340
Japanese women interested in white guys specifically target white guys and even get offended if you speak anything else than English.
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>>82027246
And yet, we're treated like royalty pretty much everywhere else.
Cope with it.
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>>82020789
crystaldiskinfo
also video games (game boy, snes, ps1 were historical achievements from the architecture point of view)
other than that pretty much nothing relevant
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>>82020982
Super interesting, thanks for this
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>>82020789
>satoshi nakamoto
too bad he's probably american
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>>82028648
Russian is for poetry and war songs
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The best email client is Japanese
https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
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>>82030319
Was it named after the Silpheed game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_XNdQDJi0o
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>>82020789
The site you're posting on is a derivative of https://www.2chan.net/ . Maybe it's not great software, but it was influential.
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>>82028075
>local Linux distro
>Fuguita
is this bait?
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>>82023874
>small games
They can be quite charming.
https://game-creators.camp/
https://game-creators.camp/works/VpN93TSpSkwVbH97iKX4
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>>82027524
>>82028256
Final Fantasy XIV has been churning out great content over the years literally mogging World of warcraft.

I don't even play the game but I do know it's story, they reengineered it almost from scratch as their first version didn't meet up modern standards.

I don't know if Japs are good soft devs or not, but I do believe that jap game devs are certainly up there amongst the best.
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>>82020789
I wonder what's up with Xzibit.
How's life for him.
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>>82027222

You degenerates like you deserve the cross.
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>>82027345
You've never been to Japan
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>>82030775
small is never charming
size matters
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>>82028648
If all you got from learning german is "le angrey sounds" then you didn't learn enough
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>>82031805
Based size queen
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>>82026407
This. And the fact that nips do their own thing makes japanese stuff appealing to westerners because it's different and not the same globohomo shit everywhere. I hope more countries lock themselves down more like that, but alas I doubt it'll happen.
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>>82020982
>When the Japanese government announced it would install BTRON PC in Japanese schools, the U.S. government objected
Why does the US care about what other countries do with school computers? Was Microcock already that far up the US's ass?
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>>82031972
Yes.

In 2004, the governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara mentioned “TRON was once killed by the former Minister of International Trade and Industry, Hashimoto, because he was at that time under the pressure of United States.” This story is supported by an article on the TRON project website, citing Microsoft's lobbying against it.
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>>82032090
>>82031972
Essentially the US threatened that it would forbid all imports, on the request of microsoft, effectively murdering a very promising competitor to their interest. That alone is a big reason for me to use Linux, and why I have high hopes for RISC-V, as it's free from US control.
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They use computers to make all their stupid videogames and the tools surrounding those games
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>>82032090
>>82032132
Society is on a downward trend
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>>82032155
Only Japanese society. Chinese, Indian, African, Middle Eastern, American and European societies are still on an upward trend.
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>>82032373
>american politics are ruled by brand overlords
>upward trend
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>>82032373
>American and European societies are still on an upward trend.
LMAO
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>>82032429
>>82032482
Yes.
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there's a lot of cultural and societal reasons but I'm too tired to list them all

tldr, jap universities dont teach shit
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>>82032520
>>>/v/
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>>82023874
>On the other hand, Indians are perfectly suited to the task because their society is organized like an open source javascript library with 400 contributors.
Lmao
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>>82023913
>Japanese brain is good with abstract pattern recognition for economics and business
They're not that good at business, they take forever to make up their mind and decide on something.
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>>82020941
Pretty interesting insight, thanks for the post
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>>82020789
Gen X Japanese hobbyists were great. The Japanese are at their best with limited abstractions, lIke pure assembly. Though, miscegenation with Chinese and Koreans probably hasn't helped. Modern Japanese barely even have that sanpaku, vaguely ainu look Japanese anymore.
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>>82020789
>before getting bucked
>after getting bucked
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>>82032155
Between this and the niggers from US military bases kidnapping and raping little girls, I'm surprised japanese don't hate americans more.
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>>82028648
I don't know, I find the case system you guys have really interesting and a way of applying function to sentences without having them attached to the object like conjugation those. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass (my Russian is absolute rubbish), but I don't think Russian is a bad language for programmers. And I do think it is one that is pretty in tune with STEM and CompSci in general.
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>>82032531
I see, I was thinking of going to japan for my degree, bad idea then?
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>>82025029
Square Enix is notorious for its shitty dev work though, which results in never ending delays. It's a big reason why all the FF "groundbreaking" releases end up being late to the party and pretty meh in the innovation department (be it gameplay, graphics, storyline or what not) by the time they actually shipped, since development started 5+ years ago.
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>>82027222
How can you be so confident yet so wrong?
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>>82033542
the value of the degree wont make a difference but jap unis are notoriously know for being way behind western ones, and those are already shit. so you can imagine. unless you go to waseda, keio or tokyo daigaku which are ok
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fpbp
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>>82020911
I wonder what would've happened if they were right. Has there been any other event of a country investing their resources on a project to leap forward an industry just to fail dramatically?

Best I can think of is that power plant in the EU that has kinda been lagging behind, although some people are still hopeful.
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>>82033650
ITER is still on track to actually provide power by 2025 and it's the first fusion power plant that is viable.

But yeah, Japan fucked up because they basically assumed the fifth generation computer "expert systems" would replace all workers with AI and when that didn't happen their entire economy crashed.
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>>82020789
>why <nation> were so bad at <thing>?
>why they are so behind communism?
communist pedophiles, everyone. the free world is looking forward to when we nuke your nation off of the map.
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>>82028473
It's so weird, I'm in europe and when I tell people I'm a programmer they're usually super surprised and then proceed to pitch me their app idea. Telling me how good I have it.
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>>82033707
people have a delusional idea of what it means to be a programmer or how some programmers are only good at certain things.
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>>82032482
European integration might unironically become the new superpower of the 21st century. Especially now that the destabilizing bongs have left and that the US has shown they won't always have our backs. I'm slightly optimistic about Europe.
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>>82031972
Microsoft's entire empire is built on getting PC manufacturers to bundle Windows and buy product keys in bulk. That's what Windows Refund Day was all about in 1999.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9j-Ywjmbk
Before 2000, they engaged in a number of aggressively anti-competitive practices. Some of the more notable ones being how they screwed IBM, Lotus, Netscape, Digital Research Inc. Copy IP from their partners, strongarm manufacturers, bundle free software to eliminate competition, attempting to block DOS-based versions of Windows from running on non-MS variants of DOS for no reason.
For sure, MS and Apple have had gigantic contracts with the gov and industries since the 80s.
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>>82033683
I was under the impression that they were having serious problems and the program was slowly spiralling out of control cost wise. Something to do with the scaling up of the engine for that initial "explosion"... But the fuck do I know, I hope its successful, thanks for the name anon, I'll refresh my knowledge on it.
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>>82033768
Same here. The only reason Europe lost global dominance was due to WW1 and WW2 wrecking Europe and leaving a power vacuum for the US and Soviet Union to occupy.

If the EU unifies as the European Federation it legitimately has the chance to become THE global superpower again.
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>>82033718
They really do. The worst I've had so far was a guy was convinced that he was going to revolutionize online meetings. He wanted to make VR meeting rooms, and told me if I could freelance dev the networking infrastructure. I tried to explain to him that not only was I not that knowledgeable in online systems, but that this was a pretty core part of his product pitch, and not something to offload development to. I don't think he liked my point of view.
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They need the right hardware to inspire them.
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>>82020789
If anime is anything to go by, they don't even have a computer at home, which would explain their lack of talent at making software.
Just look any game they release on consoles and then on PC, the PC version usually barely runs and requires at least 4 times the spec for the same quality.
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>>82033810
Good luck neutralizing the jews.
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>There is practically nothing serious that pops to my mind when it comes to Japanese programming and software?

That is because Japan is extremely isolationist. All their stuff is almost exclusively aimed at the Japanese market. They make great things... But good luck discovering it if you don't speak/read Japanese.
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>>82034013
they really don't make great software, japan is actually less japanese-language-capable than the rest of the world because they haven't even adopted unicode universally.
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>>82033277
This. They're diluting themselves too much, future generations will only go downhill in terms of ability.
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>>82033277
>Modern Japanese barely even have that sanpaku, vaguely ainu look Japanese anymore.
Yes they do. Just not in media anymore because it's not trendy/hip anymore. Especially in hokkaido those ainu looking Japs are very common.
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>>82033542
>degree
https://twitter.com/NgoloTesla/status/1403407867101732866
By far, the two lindiest ways to learn is intuition (being self-taught) & observing your betters (parents)

Nowadays, we throw expensive books at people. Will never work. Has never worked. The only notable achievement is a societal acceptance of boredom. Literally depression.
https://twitter.com/NgoloTesla/status/1403407868204916745
The choice is yours. Will you go to school, play by the rules, or do you dare to listen to your heart & throw caution to the wind? It's never too late.
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>>82023996
Based RPG Maker, cracked versions were childhood material kek
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>>82031972
>why does US care what other countries do?
Welcome to globohomo anon. Happy pride month.
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>>82031891
Russia is like that. I hope EU grows some balls and kicks amerifaggs out. French are our only hope, Germans are way too cucked.
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>>82023874
>On the other hand, Indians are perfectly suited to the task because their society is organized like an open source javascript library with 400 contributors.

Fucking kek. Best (and truest) thing I've read all week.
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>>82033768
I highly doubt this. The Americans have atomic bombs in Germany. Even crumbling Russia takes EU for a ride any time of the day. EU will be a buffer zone until it decides what it wants.
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>>82028648
I don't know any Russian to comment but my bi-lingual associate swears that reading Dostoevsky in Russian is the best and there's something 'lost' in English. Maybe he's a larping romantic, I don't know.
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>>82035205
France is on it's way to becoming the next Islamist republic you delusion faggot.
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>>82035387
Well, more reasons to hate the french then
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>>82023874
You actually think the Japanese game industry doesn't make any big games? Is this a joke?

>>82028096
>What actually happened though is that ACTUAL programmers got the same shitty minimum wages as the fake programmers so people were dissuaded from going into programming. These companies made 0 progress in the PC field
>So when the Japanese economy crashed a couple of years later in 1995
And what about all the PC manufacturers and game developers that you just skipped over?

>>82028473
I'm sure this has nothing to do with shallow people attracting other shallow people.
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>>82033800
Nah as far as I am aware everything is proceeding as was planned and on schedule.
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>>82020789
Unironically american cowboy style coding, having respect for others means taking their shit code and keeping it.
Ideally the cowboy comes, shoots some spectacularly clever code and rides away into the sunset, casualties and pride be damned.
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>>82020982
>The Japanese government planned to introduce the Matsushita PC in its schools, but the Office of the United States Trade Representative objected, claiming that the plan constituted market intervention and threatened Japan with sanctions; not coincidentally, the former official of the United States Trade Representative office who issued the threats against the Japanese government, Tom Robertson, had been offered by Microsoft the very lucrative position of being their Tokyo-based director for government affairs in Asia.
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>>82035950
...as if I didn't have enough reasons to hate Bill Gates already...
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COOMing has taken their vitality away.
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>>82020941
>>82020982
(((zogbots))) kick the chair out from underneath yet another "ally". With friends like the US who needs enemies
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>>82035950
>>82037035

Microsoft is so dirty. I would not be surprised if Bill Gates were proven to be a cryptojew someday.
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>>82020789
From software does a good job but outside of video games I’m not aware of anything noteworthy.
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To fully participate in the current software industry, you have to be somewhat literate in English, and Japan is notoriously bad on this front. However, since English is the main vector for jewish mind poison, being bad at English has slowed down the spread of (((Western))) pozz on their nation.
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pozzed country of goy overtime bots
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Japanese are more about refinement than innovation.
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>>82020941
Holy shit, are they still in use today?
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>>82020982
>moving video
Interesting.
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>>82028110
Fucking kek. Japan is an interesting country
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>>82035950
Microsoft is a fucking scammy company.
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>>82031972
>Why does the US care about what other countries do with school computers?
School computers are a decently sized market, and it crushes a potential competitor before they can compete in other markets that you control.
>Was Microcock already that far up the US's ass?
Yes but that's ultimately irrelevant. If you're the US government, you want your companies to do better than that of other nations because you have more control over your companies (they're a national resource, you can tax their profits from getting the contract to install software on Japanese school computers, etc.)

>>82033526
Don't forget US soldiers raping women in liberated Europe too.
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>>82033683
>provide power by 2025
This isn't true, the reactor construction will be complete by then but it's an experimental reactor and the energy created will just be vented. Plus it's going to consume between 110 MW and 620 MW during operation just to create 500MW. It's great for research, but it's not going to be used for anything else.
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>>82023913
>>82028648
there is an argument to be made here but I think you are not making it correctly
It seems highly unlikely that speaking a certain language "trains" you for thinking in a certain way, since you don't really think at all when speaking your native language
I think the effect would be negligible

but if the japanese brain is more genetically adapted to certain activities, it could be reflected in the language
if the english brain is genetically more adapted to certain activities this could also be in reflected in the language
it makes sense that this is the case, but it would be a very blurry picture
only in comparing vastly different peoples and languages (provided their ancestors spoke this language) could you see how this might be true
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>>82029345
And don’t forget STDs
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>>82028110

Can confirm. I work at one of the biggest japanese internet companies in Tokyo. Most of the talent here are leaving because western tech companies pay a lot more.
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>>82020789
Ruby the programming language was and is developed by a Japanese guy.
Ruby on Rails is made by a Danish guy though.
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>>82027222
Hacker culture also gave us LISP and FORTH though - so it has redeemed itself.
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>>82020982
>TRON
https://youtu.be/QiSPlNmmAPY
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>>82020789
Ruby. I mean ya you can shit on ruby, but it has a large foot print in well paid work.
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>>82024110
>Japan
It was just one man
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>>82020982
>BTRON
https://youtu.be/yYfoCe6q28A
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https://www.tron.org/
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>>82020982
Holy crap, I learned something from /g/.
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>>82028110
lol fucking nips.
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>>82039812
its pasta newfag
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>>82040145
Pasta can't be true and educational?
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Because asians are subhuman with 0 creativity which is needed for good code.
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>>82033957
Apparently PCs are literally just hentai boxes in japan. I've seen YT vids of jap game stores and the PC section is almost exclusively hentai. I guess there's probably gonna be a stigma around them too, if you have a computer you're a perv or something.
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>>82040895
Japan being based once again
the only thing I used my 2000€ PC for is rpgmaker games and VNs
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>>82023913
I too am a big proponent of Sapir-Whorf hypothesis but it probably only applies to iq >130, doesn't really matter for the masses who wouldn't think of long term problems etc.
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>>82040895
Kek
Does Nier Automata classify as a coomer game?
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>>82027246
this, you should prefer to say you are an otaku neet than a programmer.
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idk but yahoo jp is extremely comfy. Japanese people hate change more than americans so a lot of their websites havent changed in a decade, its wonderful.
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>>82020789
crystaldiskmark and crystaldiskinfo
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>>82020982
In the UK around that time, Acorn machines were way ahead of IBM compatible and Apple shitboxes too, but they ended up failing.
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>>82041189
It's because the median age in Japan is 49. So it's literally a bunch of boomers for which 10 years feel like 1 so they can't keep up with a changing world.
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>>82020789
they only care about erotic games, not freedom.
everyone owns a console and/or iphone, they grind autistically on some retarded mobages, wasting all their income on gachas or other crap. its a heavily consumerist society obsessed with "face" and pubic appearances.
virtually the only people who own a pc are "artists" who, being retarded, own the most expenisve crap they can buy, which is a mac.
windows is common, but only in the office. at home people only want to escape the grind (not that they are ever home to begin with).
>>82025882
japs are a backwards, inferior people, they are second class at any and all technology fields in their own country, go to any "japanese" tech industry and the people actually getting shit done are chinese or korean.
>>82032132
>linux
>free from US control
pick one and only one.

linus is american (fennoswede). his daughter is american (sjw).
the linux foundation is american. it is controlled by american corporations (google esp.)

if you want a non-cucked free/libre system, openbsd is your best bet.
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>>82031972
>other countries
Japan and S. Korea are not called 51st and 52nd states entirely as a joke, anon.
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>nobody mentioned clip studio paint yet
bruh
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>>82042950
Ghibli also released some of their tools for free awhile ago.
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>>82031700
>degenerates
Said someone who likes tranny-like ripoff of MULTICS.
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>>82039503
Neither Lisp nor Forth are hacker languages, although Forth was a personal project which later evolved into embedded language for space applications.
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>>82031972
NSA.
Microsoft is their official front selling preinstalled surveillance.
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>>82035273
even classics can get bad translations
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>>82029499
okay code monkey
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>>82033810
> due to WW1 and WW2 wrecking Europe
Bongs aristocracy delusions. Prior WW1 USA produced more basic modern goods than any EU country. Prior WW2 US produced more basic modern goods than entire Europe combined it's US economy put it on the top and allowed to also became top military force comanding Europe. US won via working hard and productive.
But EU aristocracy were to prudent to look into statistical bulletins and never got the memo (americans? those unwashed peasants? they have no culture).
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>>82041189
How can I make 4chan like this with all the posts squeezed together?
When I visited yaraon blog, i felt the design was really space saving and efficient.
Need that design everywhere.
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>>82031972
japan is basically america's hong kong/taiwan. you just don't see the comparison cause you're only consumed western propaganda.
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>>82040895
That's outdated.

>>82042197
This is your brain on 4chan.
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>>82043253
just let people spout untrue things. it just makes them look retarded and it's funny. i don't think people here really know about the new generation of japan.
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>>82020851
Based
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>>82020941
Computing is taught in schools, so I doubt your claim
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>>82020982
So is from making a come back or something? Computing right now is absolutely fucked and gimped by specific parties
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>>82020911
It's actually because Japanese schools remain tech illiterate. IT workers and esp. compsci are rolling in cash in Japan.
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>>82031734
and you've never had sex with a woman (female)
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>>82028075
>CrystalDiskInfo
Only idiots need that shit
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>>82046473
That’s a man



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