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>NEWS
Intel B560 motherboards now available
Nvidia RTX 3060 out February 25th
Intel 11th gen CPUs out March 15th
AMD RX 6700 XT out March 18th

>UPGRADE ADVICE
Post complete specs including monitor

>BUILD ADVICE
State budget, region, and monitor specs
List use cases (e.g. gaming, editing, rendering)
Assemble a preliminary parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/

>RECOMMENDED CPUs
Budget Workstation/Web Browsing: Athlon 3000G, Pentium G5400
Mid-range Productivity: R7 3700X, i7 10700KF
High-end Productivity: R9 5900X
Budget Gaming: i3 10100F
Mid-range Gaming: R5 3600, i5 10400F
High-end Gaming: R5 5600X, i5 10600KF

>RECOMMENDED GPUs
Budget 1080p: GTX 1650 Super, RX 570/580
Mid-range 1080p: GTX 1660 Super, RX 5600 XT
Mid-range 1440p: RTX 3060 Ti, RX 6800
High-end 1440p/2160p: RTX 3080, RX 6800 XT

>RECOMMENDED RAM
Capacity: 2x8GB or 2x16GB
Speed and CAS Latency: 3200/3600MHz CL16
Beware: Some Intel motherboards (e.g. H410, B460) are limited to lower speeds

>RECOMMENDED COOLERS
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>RECOMMENDED PSUs
Basic Web Browsing: 400-450W
Gaming: 500-850W depending on GPU (aim for 50-75% at load)
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

>RECOMMENDED SSDs
OS Drive: NVMe with TLC NAND + DRAM cache
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/

>MOTHERBOARD INFO:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1137619-motherboard-vrm-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

Previous: >>80332175
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What's the best way to get a fuckton of storage into my PC that's not dirt slow or madly expensive?
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So what is the point of new gpus if the performance and cost is the same?
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>>80346709
Refurbished 4tb drives for less than $10 a tb, or wait for a sale on WD Easystores for $15-16 a tb and do the cuckshuck.
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>>80346740
Scamming retards with brand marketing and gimmicks. This is why anyone with any sense didn't buy into the Turing cards. It is also why you should think long and hard about buying an Ampere card if it at all costs more. Not that it matters because you'd have to be a genuine idiot to pay double MSRP right now anyway.
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>>80346709
SATA HDDs are still fine for storage. if you want cheaper then you could shuck drives from external enclosures.
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>>80346792
>refurbished hard drives
There's two PC components you should never buy used, and that is hard drives and PSUs. I mean will it work for awhile? Yeah probably more or less, but I wouldn't count on it for anything of value.
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>>80346640
Reminder.
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>>80346893

yeah, but this guy is probably just going to fill it with anime.
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>>80346893
i don't really agree on PSUs.
if its a low budget system then you're better off getting a used FSP or Seasonic over a "GUANGDONG 5000W NIGGERATOR" that will actually have some protection circuitry if it dies.
used hard drives is retarded.
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It's impossible to buy anything higher than a 1050 ti in my city.
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>>80346740
If anything the performance is worse and you pay more. You can get a used 2070 super for the price that the 3060 will be or even a used 2080 if you go with scalper prices.
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Should I go for the new intel chips releasing this march with igpu for casual gaming? Perhaps some AMD apus? Not buying a gpu nowadays.
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Help I burnt my Power cable in the PSU slot, and now I have a new cable but I'm scared it's gonna have the same fate, anyone here got any suggestions on how to prevent that from happening?
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>>80347499
Wait for Alder Lake Q3/4 this year.
Roughly 20% performance increase on single core while also having 16 (-sixteen-) cores for multitasking purposes and supporting DDR5 and PCIe5.0
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>>80347541
How did you burn it in the first place?
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>>80346640
DICEs Star Wars Battlefron 2 crashes randomly mid game when i have xmp profile enabled in bios at 3200 MHz
it's fine with it off and then the ram is at 2133 MHz
I assume my ram is bad, is there anything I can do? Like clock it higher than default without crashing games
I mostly played older games for the past year since I built it so have not noticed any problems, might it be just this game?
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>>80347569
Idk bro, I just smelt burning and checked it after 2 days.
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>>80347569
>>80347671
It may have been Bitcoin mining actually.
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It's all just so hopeless.
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>>80347499
AMD's integrated graphics are typically much better than Intel's. They're actually designed for gaming and not just to be a display output. Even still they'll be wrecked by anything better than a GT1030. Unfortunately the latest APUs available on the DIY market use Zen+ cores which are two generations behind which makes Intel a much more compelling option for expansion. Especially after they slashed their prices. An i3 10100 will hold its own with any video card whereas a 3400G will bottleneck, to some degree, anything more powerful than a 2060Super. On the other hand B450 is a more viable upgrade platform with 2 generations of CPU upgrades while H410/B460 won't support Intel 11th gen.
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if i have 1 rear 120mm exhaust fan and 2 120mm intake fans at the front, would adding a 140mm exhaust fan at the top be worse than adding a 120mm fan, air pressure wise, or am i just being autistic?
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What's the best bet Thursday for the 3060? Line up in front of BB or try to compete with the world on line?
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>>80347928
>What's the best bet Thursday for the 3060?
Giving up.
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>>80347660
Run some memory benchmarking software. Memtest, Geekbench, Aida64, etc. and see if you get errors. Since it's only one program causing the crash I would assume that that is the culprit before your RAM. If they do report errors, or crash, then you can either RMA the RAM or try tuning the timings and voltage to achieve stability. Might be that all it needs is a 100mV bump for full stability.
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>>80347928
If you want to line up you should be there the second they close on Wednesday, anything half assed will just make you miss out and get upset over your wasted time.
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>3080s are $2000 now

Actual joke, I should have just bought one at $1400
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>>80347811
Depending on the fan speeds it might make a near-neutral or positive pressure system into a negative pressure one. Negative pressure is usually better for temps but worse for dust buildup since air is being brought in through unfiltered gaps. Why are you adding fans in the first place?
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Guess I'm going to be stuck with this whiny ass 2070 for another two years.
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don't worry guys, he's on it
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>>80347991
im just trying to figure out the theoretically ideal fan setup for my case.
would 1 exhaust and 2 intakes theoretically achieve neutral / slightly positive air pressure?
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>>80347695
A) What's your PSU rated for vs all of your components?

B) Which specific cable? I'm guessing it was PCIE given your later mention of coin mining but who knows.

C) You weren't doing something spectacularly retarded like double-plugging a single PCIE cable into a GPU that uses more than 225w or something similar like that dumbass from Reddit a few months ago, right?
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK THIS I'M GETTING A PREBUILT
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>>80348191
Assuming you're running them at the same speed, yes. For most builds the 2/3 front 1 rear front-to-back configuration is perfectly adequate. Some benefit from an extra top exhaust if, say, the VRMs are getting toasty under OC. After that you're mostly adding noise but it may be necessary if you're pushing a limit OC (though you really ought to use an open-air bench for that sort of thing).
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>>80347747
What pisses me off the most is that we can't just back-order stuff, especially direct from manufacturers. Even if it took 2-3 goddamn months for it to finally ship if I could at least get updates on queue status and see it ever-inching towards my order I could at least feel like SOMETHING is being done. Instead we're stuck with gimmicks like random lotteries where even if you DO win some asshole with a bot has already hoovered up all the supply.
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>tfw Haswell pc is still alive and kicking
>DDR5 is in sight

Who else here /value/?
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>>80347499
The integrated graphics are gimped for the desktop chips. The laptops got a 96EU version that is about on par with vega 8, it it's fine for 1080p30 low in most games. The desktop rocket lake chips only have 32EU, so you'll oly have about 1/3rd the performance of a vega 8 APU. If you wanna go for an AMD APU that's good for being used as a standalone CPU in the future, either look at the 4xxxG or 5xxxG APUs, the latter of which is obviously zen 3 and thus very overpriced right now. You should be able to find them on places like ebay and aliexpress, as they're not sold through normal retailers.
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>>80348525
I'd rather just have raffles. The only case where I'd want to back-order is from the manufacturer since who knows what store is gonna get stock and I don't want to place orders on multiple ones, especially if they want me to pay for it there and then.
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How long does an openened (but properly stored) thermal paste lasts? At least once per year I do a deep clean of my PC and I always have leftover paste but never use it again due to fear that it would've gone bad in the months that was storaged.
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>>80347992
I bet you still sit on a 1080p display.

>>80348379
Might as well get a gaming notebook at that point.
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>>80348750
>Might as well get a gaming notebook at that point.

Has the GPU shortage really been enough to make /g/ and /v/ flip on gaming laptops? This is like the tenth time I've seen someone recommend a gaming laptop in the past two weeks.
I remember a time when you'd get laughed off of the board for even considering a gaming laptop.
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>>80348775
Most gaming laptops are unironically amazing price/performance picks now compared to how utterly absurd the PC market has become.
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>>80348749
Probably depends on brand but you should be able to get away with using the same tube for 2 to 3 years.
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whats the best method to underclock a GPU? i put my 3060ti at 85 percent power usage. should I adjust the voltages too?
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>>80348775
Ever since mining became a thing the prices of components have been rising like smoke in a forest fire, and not just GPU.

After literal decades of keeping a steady price RAM's more than doubled in price in the past 3 years.

Nowadays if you're not having fun then building is not worth it anymore.
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>>80348775
What the other Anon said.

Gaming laptops/notebooks have gotten their value on par with desktops in recent times, but the last couple of generations the performance has been what I would describe as adequate for something that is portable. If I had to get a new pc today I would get a laptop and wait until these supply/price issues blow over.
Just don't buy any msi laptops.
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>>80348749
Why would it go bad, it's not like it spoils. It will eventually dry out if it comes into contact with air, but if you close the tube properly you could still use it decades later
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>>80348563
Based. I would've stuck with my 3570k but I got a 10400f for just $100 and 2x8GB of DDR4 memory $50. Too good to pass up, and I finally don't have and stutters in newer games anymore.
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>>80348868
Once the factory seal is broken you'll always get some air leak. Heck, even before that it'll get in there. I haven't seen any actual testing on the matter but my guess is it'll decay gradually before fully drying out. Maybe worth a few degrees but still better than the stuff that's been stuck to your IHS for 5 years.
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>literally hundreds of GPUs drop
>immediately on it in seconds at bestbuy
>they put me in a queue
>10 seconds later gone
literally hopeless
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>>80347928
>$500+ prescalped from retailers
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>>80348863
>Just don't buy any msi laptops.

Haha good thing I don't have an MSI GE66 arriving tomorrow
God dammit. At least I have a 30 day return period. I didn't even see any complaints about it.
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I'm an absolute brainlet when it comes to PC. I only play PoE and Dota. What do I need to run Dota at 144hz comfortably?
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>Not making your own fresh artisinal thermal paste
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>>80346999
Why?
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>>80349161
My experience with msi is from personally using and recommending other people their products between 2011 and 2017, and there were way to many warranty tickets opened in that time. Meanwhile all Asus products I've handled have never broken down during their warranty products, nor has there been any major issues either.

If msi got their quality assurance shit together in the last couple of years, then good for them, but I wouldn't buy from them even if they were the last manufacturer on the planet!
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Reminder to beware of Radeon garbage drivers.
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https://www.newegg.com/obsidian-black-acer-nitro-5-an515-54-547d-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834316918?&quicklink=true

yay or nay for the price? dunno anything about laptops.
>inb4 laptop
traveling too often for the last year to build a rig
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>>80347558
lol welp pcie 4.0 had a short shelf life
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>>80349301
Who cares gpu doesn't even saturate pcie 3.0 yet.
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Are there any good cases for mini itx that follow the design similar to pic related? (not open benches)
>board face up with cooler on top (i want to put a fuckhuge rock on it)
>gpu is short/1 fan, length isn't an issue and doesn't exceed board dimensions
>power supply on bottom
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>>80349250
you should set yourself a budget first, it becomes a lot easier to help you that way.
what current hardware do you have as well?
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>>80349343
Probably not. If you really wanted to you could 3d print that one build a cube around it with perforated sheet or also 3d print it with tiny holes in it.
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>>80348990
Nice, you should always jump on good opportunities!
My i7-4790k is actually second hand, can stutter in AAA titles but I don't play that shit so it doesn't matter for me.

>>80349289
Looks okay, not to much gaming design cancer going on either.

>>80349343
Thermaltake Core V1 ?
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>>80347966
>3080 for $700
>3080 for $800
>3080 for $1200
>3080 for $1400
>3080 for $2000
(YOU ARE HERE)
>3080 for $3200
>3080 for $5500
>3080 for 1BTC ($6500)
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>>80349289
pretty good deal, unless 3060 laptops are available right now and similar price, you will be able to run most games pretty decently, though keep in mind the nitro series is pretty low build quality, but 144hz ips for that price is great
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>>80349389
they are still $1050-1200 in canada, but that's retail, not sure if you guys are talking about scalper prices.
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any Europeans here on the EVGA waitlist? should I even bother?
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>>80348704
the 3400g seems to best from them all, prices on ali are ridiculous for this 2 year old cpu thou. 4xG and 5xG are there too but prices are even worse. I had really high hopes for the intel chips...was hoping it would be on par with 3400g.
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https://www.amazon.co.jp/ASUSTek-NVIDIA-GeForce-%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%83%97%E3%83%AB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%83%A2%E3%83%87%E3%83%AB-ROG-STRIX-RTX3070-O8G-WHITE/dp/B08T668ZX4/
Am I reading this wrong? Why is this being sold so low?
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>>80348563
this. Running a 4770 and waiting for Alder Kek
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>>80349432
>low
That's around 1000 bucks without shipping
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>>80349389
>>3080 for 1BTC ($6500)
anon...
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>>80349432
>List Price: ¥104,849
>Price: ¥104,848 + ¥3,155 shipping
>You Save: ¥1
>"low"
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>>80349389
if BTC gets to $6500 the most I'll be paying for new 3080s is 800USD and 450-500 for mining ones
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>>80349432
How is this low?
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>>80349389
>1BTC ($6500)
If 1BTC goes down to 6.5k, ETH will be so fucking worthless that you can't make any money if you don't steal electricity.
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Why didn’t you buy in January when supply was fresh?
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>>80349615
I bought a used 2080 last year for 300 when people were panic selling their RTX 2000 cards.
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>>80349395

So brittle plastic body?
I'm planning to plug it into the tv & use a controller, so hopefully it doesn't bother me too much.
should I get this or try a portable LAN build?
could be called to travel for school any minute, not sure what's better to carry on plane.
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>replied to like a dozen of second-hand-GPU offers on the local variant of craigslist
>all offers were closed without me getting a single answer, only one put up a notice that there were too many messages to reply to each of them
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>>80349634
idk senpai it's up to you, a portable lan build is cool but with hardware prices not sure how cheap you could get it, a mobile 2060 is about 20% less as good as a desktop 2060 so use that as a benchmark. having a built in screen if you really are going to be moving around a lot is very useful especially if it's 144hz, and it can still be used on a TV.
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>>80349615
I did, but I scalped my 3070 for double what I paid for to some miner and now I'm just waiting (TM) for 3080s
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>>80349430
Just checked prices, yeah, it's fucked. Personally, if I didn't have a gaming PC right now, I wouldn't spend money on building one. I have a work tablet with an atom CPU anyways, so I'd just play really old games on that one. I've even done that before. Pretty much every game made before 2005 and every 2D indy game I've tried so far runs fine on it. Same goes for any intel CPU with integrated graphics made after 2012. That, or get a PS4, for around $100, buy monster hunter world and sink a thousand hours into that one. Great game.
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>>80348288
I don't even know what kind my PSU is, but I know that my GPU only uses around 80 watts.

The cable is 13a 250v, that's all I know
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>>80349288
AMD
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>>80350298
Stupid chinks can't even add 120 or 144fps support.
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Bros is it worth it to buy a 5500 XT 4GB to replace a 1050 2GB? Prices are way too high here ($4000 for a 6800 xt)
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>>80350395
if you plan to play at 1080p 60 only, yes
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>>80350405
Yeah I'm not planning on getting a 4K monitor anytime soon
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>>80350319
It's a mobile game that was ported to PC. You can be thankful they enabled 60fps mode.
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>>80350486
Nah it was clearly developed for PC first. Even the highest settings on the best smartphone are basicly low medium settings on pc
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How important are Fins Per Inch with radiators?

https://www.performance-pcs.com/water-cooling/radiators/aquacomputer-airplex-modularity-rad-system-480mm-alum-fins-one-circuit-stainless-side-panels-aq-33026.html

This has 13 FPI aluminum fins

https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-000B-002H6?Description=EK-CoolStream%20XE%20480&cm_re=EK-CoolStream_XE%20480-_-37B-000B-002H6-_-Product

This has 16 FPI copper fins.
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>>80350518
You think the company that exclusively developed mobile games before this one developed for PC first?
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>>80350640
Higher fin density allows for better cooling but it requires more static pressure from the fans to actually move the air through it. Could very well be, if you noise normalize it, they'd cool about the same.
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ok.. help me out a little
my 3770 pc died and i was hoping to keep it until alder lake
should i get 10400f with cheap mobo/ram then wait for alder lake or just get high end rocket lake and be done with it
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>>80350640
Higher FPI rads cool better if paired with very powerful (and noisy) high static pressure fans.
More important though make sure not to mix metals in your loop.
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>>80350736
get a 5600x pleb
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>>80350736
Is it just the CPU that died or is the motherboard fucked too? If it's just the CPU, get a 2400 or 3470. You can probably get one for like $30 or even less. It's a step down in performance, but you can probably deal with it for less than a year.
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>>80350736
stop waiting retard.
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is this prebuilt a good deal?
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali479/p/N82E16883360074?item=N82E16883360074&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-gaming%20desktop-_-abs-_-83360074&source=region
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>>80350772
yeah lemme just pay nearly $400 on a 6 core and $150 -$200 on a motherboard and oh by the way the whole thing has constant bugs/issues.

BEWARE OF GARBAGE RYZEN FIRMWARE
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>>80350820
I'd say it's decent in the current climate.
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>>80350768
>>80350640

Why do people prefer thicker fin density if they want a ultra quiet system?
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STOP THIS MADNESS
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>>80350233
Not knowing what the PSU is makes this a lot harder since it could be almost anything: shitty brand burning out after heavy sustained use, normal PSU shitting itself because power draw is too high, etc

>80 watts
That sounds bizarrely low especially for mining these days. Is that at 100% utilization? In that case it'd be PCIE+1 2x6/8 cable for meeting its needs.

>13a 250v
Wait, is that the powersocket-to-PSU cable? If THAT'S the one that burned up then I suspect the PSU itself is fucked and should be replaced.
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I JUST WANT A FUCKING COMPUTER WITH A GOOD GRAPHICS CARD IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?
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>>80346867
No such thing as a bad card; just a bad price. If the price is right, the Turing cards are solid. I got a great deal on an RTX 2070 brand new. It was when the Super cards were coming out and old stock was being moved.
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>>80350935
>>80350912
this is your future, now thank scalpers and crypto chads
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>>80350820
>ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3070 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB Intel M.2 NVMe SSD

>Free 27” Gaming Monitor w/ purchase, limited offer

>$1,700

What the FUCK
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How hard does BTC/ETH need to drop for mining to be not lucrative? I just need a new GPU friends
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9GM68
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>>80346640
how viable is a raspberry pi for shitposting or playing games that dont require much in the way of perfoamance?
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I need a motherboard + cpu + 8gb RAM combo for less than $100.
Should I try ebay auctions?
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>>80351094
>How hard does BTC/ETH need to drop for mining to be not lucrative?
Lucrative? Dunno. Profitable? Quite a bit.
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>>80350964
>>80350820
Meh, after punching the parts in on PCPP that leaves the GPU at ~$925, ~$705 if you factor in the monitor which you probably don't need.

>>80351094
Even if it crashed ~60-75% whales with warehouses would still probably snap them up since even a day's mining could pay for a month's rent for the square footage rigs occupy.
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>>80351167
Seeing as you can't run Windows on it you'll be limited to very light indie games with Linux ports plus emulators. If that's your thing it's okay I guess. Personally I'd save up a bit and try for a used Optiplex with a cheap (lmao) graphics card jammed in.
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>>80351355
You are probably better up with something like craigslist or your countries equivalent to that.
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>>80351349
I would strongly suggest to save up more money. With the inception of the new console generation, the next couple of years will see a sharp rise in minimum and recommended specs for gaming. This has always been the case. Normies buy more consoles than gaming PCs hence consoles control the overall average specs. And what you get for $100 will be woefully outdated quickly.
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>>80351349
there's an i5-2500 in my shed you could have for free
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how many newegg shuffles have you guys entered and how many have you actually won? Is it worth it or should I just sit around listening to stock checking streams every morning?
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Trying to get a 3060 the day after tomorrow on the nvidia site. Is there a way to pre enter my information or do they just save my place in line?
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>>80352306
Nvidia isn't selling 3060s, right? There are no FE cards, and they stopped selling the FE cards directly anyway.
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How expensive are the 3060's going to be when released? Any ideas?
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>need to upgrade from my 4790k
>the 10850k is on sale for $337.99 right now
Should I JustWait for the next gen or is this a good deal to jump on right now? 10cores sounds juicy...
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>>80352539
$1000 plus as soon as the Etherium mining BIOS hack gets dropped. Welcome to the new normal. It would be real fucking nice if another 4 years of Trump could even begin to fix our problems.
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All I want is a 3070 for RRP. The cheapest available are $950 usd in my country.
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>>80352539
Zotac has had their price listed since this morning for $480 and $500
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>>80352595
For fucks sake... I was going to try and snipe one but I probably won't even bother
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>>80352580
The 10850k will be good for gaming, and decent for work™, for a good few years yet. Plus if you get a Z490 board you'll be able to upgrade to RefreshLake++++. It's kinda satisfying to see Intel squirm like this. It's been at least 10 years since they last dropped their prices like this.
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>>80352641
>The 10850k will be good for gaming, and decent for work™
Oh, I thought it would be "decent" for gaming and "AMAZING" for work, since 10 cores...
I edit vids, will it at least be "amazing" in comparison to the 4790k's 4 cores?
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>>80352744
Everything is relative. Yes, it will shit all over a 4790k, but it will look like garbage compared to a 5900x.
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>>80352744
I have an 8 core ryzen 2700 non-x and it still blows through rendering like no tomorrow.
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>>80352744
Yes. But a 5950x will blitz it at both tasks.
Don't forget you gotta patch Intel because of their security risks which reduce performance.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pj6DF8
new to this. is the psu okay or should I go for the tx650m? asus b560 or the asrock? pc for studies and the only gaming I do is on old wow private servers.
thanks
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need a 3060ti, 3070 or a 3080 fast fast fast
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>>80352787
>asus b560 or the asrock?
Asus. The PSU is fine. TXM is nice because of 80+ gold, but whether it's worth it depends on the price difference.
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fell for the anti-rgb meme now i'm missing the soft white ambient glow my old pc had at night. what are some good fans?
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>>80349430
You can get an 8 core RyzenG now. It really is dope. Faster than my 3600.
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Is the GTX 3050 dream dead? Are Nvidia going to release non-RTX cards for this gen?
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>>80352788
that makes $2300 plus tip
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>>80352844
If they do, they will probably called GTX 26xx.
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>>80352744
I should have said "relatively" decent because it'll absolutely crush a 4790k at both. I only tempered my assessment of its workstation capabilities because, with AMD's advancements in chiplet design, 10 cores is going to be low-end for workstations in the coming years. Heck, in some sense it already is due to Threadripper. Obviously a different price class but that kind of tech trickles down. For hobbyist stuff it'll be plenty; >16 cores only really makes sense when you're making money off the machine.
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>>80352867
With GDDR5 to repel miners.
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i don't want to go team red, what's the intel equivalent of a 5600x?
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>>80352998
10600KF
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So what are the best chances to get an RTX 3060 on launch day? Can humans even be fast enough to get one without a bot if not, what is the best bot to use?
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>>80352844
>3050
might as well buy a 1070 or 1080
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So with new games adding DLSS nearly daily now AMD will reduce the price of their 6000 GPUs right? Who would spend $800 for a 6800
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>>80352998
depends, the rival in it's price point is the 10700KF that costs the same/less and performs around the same and will have better multithreaded performance. however the 10600KF is the direct rival as a mid range gaming cpu, if you can even call the 5600x midrange.
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>>80352761
>>80352776
>>80352779
>>80352888
As long as I will be blown away compared to my current cpu, I am happy!
>it will look like garbage compared to a 5900x
>a 5950x will blitz it at both tasks
That's fine, I am not a fan of AMD and those are way too expensive to justify buying, all I do is stream vidya, edit vids, and watch anime so I don't think I'd really be able to take advantage of their power. I also like my cpu to have an integrated gpu, just incase.
Going to order this 10850k now!
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>>80353024
to know someone who knows someone working at a retailer who can reserve you a card
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>>80353053
Post channel
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>>80353024
Are you really going to spend $500+ for a 3060?
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>>80353052
People overthink this so hard. I would like to buy a 6c12t CPU. What are the most recent options from the two major manufacturers? There's your answer.
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>>80353045
>AMD will reduce the price of their 6000 GPUs right?
No.
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>>80353079
$500 is only 25% markup bro, practically a steal.
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>>80353052
thank you
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>>80353024
Even bots aren't fast enough.
As has been stated before, you're more limited by your number of proxies than your software. Just being able to use a headless browser doesn't mean shit. The people actually getting cards are paying out the ass in proxies and sekrit klubs just for the chance of botting. And most of them still fail.
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Why the fuck are these two different products?
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>socket type: na
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>>80353163
why are 3700X and 3800X? Why are 3600X and 3600XT?
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>>80353218
Both valid questions.
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Will a 500W PSU be enough for a R5 3600, 2070S, 16GB ram, a few case fans?
Online calculator tells me taht even 450 would be enough because load would be 380.
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>>80353246
Should be fine. I would personally feel more comfortable with 550W, but if you already own the 500W, then sure.
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JUST WAIT BROS
IM WAITING
DONT QUESTION YOURSELF JUST WAIT
ALWAYS WAY
GOD I LOVE WAITING
OH GOD IM WOOOOOAITIIIIIIIIIIIIING
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>>80353339
j-just reserved a shopblt order for a 5600X, it's gonna be okay bros
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Opinions on buying Rocket Lake vs waiting for Alder Lake?
I don't have a GPU yet either but my old PC is really bad and a pain to work with at this point, not sure if I should just buy everything but the GPU in three weeks or wait all the way until the end of the year when Alder Lake comes out and GPUs are more common again
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>tfw won the shuffle
>5600x combo with a hunk of $50 plastic for $410 plus tip
I can't even resell that for more than I bought it what the fuck
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>>80353400
i'm on a haswell and waiting for alder lake. I don't want to jump on DDR4 at the end of its life, plus you won't get raped on scalper prices
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>>80353400
on a budget = buy comet/rocket lake now
got money to blow = wait for alder lake
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>>80353053
>I am not a fan of AMD
Stupidity alert
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>>80348563
Based. i7-3770K, Xeon E3-1231v3 and i7-4790K here. I bought the i7-4790K a few months ago. Grabbed an RX 5700 XT for 360€ too.
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>>80353462
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
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>>80353400
Rocket Lake sounds like it's going to be DOA in no small part because of Intel blowing their load about Alder Lake so early. Either go Zen 2/3 now or wait for Alder Lake.
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>>80353503
haha upvote
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>>80353339
Glad I didn't listen to the justwaitfags back in November. Set my sights on a 3070 and ended up getting one. Took a lot of effort with using notifications and being quick, but I landed it and don't have to wait anymore. Good luck to all the waiters out there. I'm sure there will be stock at msrp any day now.
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>>80353520
>>80353449
Rocket Lake has nearly a decade of refinement in its architecture leading up to it while Alder Lake will be completely new and most probably be plagued by all the issues the first cheaps of a new architecture always are. If you wait for Alder Lake you might as well wait until Gen13 or 14 in 2022.
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>>80353400
If the DDR4-5 transition is anything like the DDR3-4, or DDR2-3, or DDR-2, transition then you'll be waiting a lot longer than "until Alder Lake" for a reasonable upgrade. Unless you've got money to burn; in which case why not both? Don't get me wrong it's entirely possible for DDR5 to completely eclipse DDR4 in both performance and price upon release but it would be a stunning upset compared to previous DDR revisions.
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Is a 500 GB SSD enough for modern video games?
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>>80353507
why? newer things are more expensive. so alder lake will be the 12th gen, and therefore newer than 10th or 11th gen
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>>80353558
If you only play 1 or 2, sure. If you like a bit of a harem then no.
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>>80353558
>modern video games
(which i assume you mean big AAA titles like rdr2)
maybe if you have 3 installed at a time max
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>>80353558
I quickly filled up a terabyte SSD. Spring for 1-2TB if you're upgrading
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>>80353507
no, AL system is going to be much more expensive, as well as mobos, as well as ddr5 ram, though most mobos will probably support ddr4 as well but those mobos might be even more expensive. of course the jump in performance will be nice but it will come at a hefty price.
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>>80353558
Triple-A shit has been bloating in filesize like crazy for the past five years, so if you want to play Red Dead 2 or cawadoody, no. Video game load times are barely ever long enough for an SSD to matter that much anyway.
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>>80353558
not really. especially if youre running an OS off that. 500gb translates to ~465gb because of clever jewish marketing. the OS is usually 50-70gb or even 120gb after longer use/ more updates and bloat get added. then a typical AAA games like Modern Warfare is more than 100gb. just go with 1tb if its your only drive.
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>tfw 10850k from the US on sale is about the same versus a 5600x in Canada.
I hate the retail environment here.
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>>80353503
I've been getting called stupid here for years since the day I bought a 4790k; you can't hurt me.
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Any recommendations for a 2TB SSD mostly for media storage and maybe random games I don't care too much about?

I'm still on an old Sand Vag build with HDDs and a tiny 125GB boot SSD and want to upgrade my entire PC the second I get my hands on a GPU, figured I might as well get a storage SSD now to make my last few weeks/months/years on this machine a little less painful and then just reuse it for my good build whenever that happens.
Doesn't need to be the best of the best as I will get an NVME drive for everything important anyways.
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Reminder to beware of Ryzen's garbage motherboards.
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>>80353609
Modern Warfare (2019) is hardly typical for filesize. It's important as a benchmark, and as a sign of things to come, but if you don't play it the next smallest game is like 25% smaller.
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>>80353647
Go for it if you have the money
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>>80353648
you arent fooling anyone
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>>80353609
>>80353558
Also don't forget you need to leave ~10-15% of drive space open as a buffer because of the way SSDs work otherwise they die fast as fuck. Get a 250-500gb drive for OS and basic programs and then a separate 2tb drive for actual games and other things, that way you can make OS drive backups and quickly restore if it dies for whatever reason or not have to reinstall your OS and other things if the game drive dies.
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>>80353449
On the opposite, I would jump to the end of DDR4 rather than the start of DDR5. There will be many years until DDR5 is mature and fast(er than DDR4). Perhaps my mindset is fixed to an even playground for overclocking records, where there will not be any new CPUs or DRAM for that generation. That's why DDR3 is also still much fun (and adequately performant too).
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>>80353053
Hope you enjoy it, anon.
t. ryzen 2700 guy
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>>80353647
860 evo, 870 qvo
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Is a 3080ti still coming?
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Any suggestions on a desk? I know cheap desks aren't good most of the time but I'm on a limited budget around ~200$
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>>80353712
What size/shape you looking for?
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>>80353699
they've jewed us again. ofc its been gimped, the card was too perfect.
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>>80346893
Used hard drives are fine if youre not planning to store any important data. Every build I do I use a used one for games. Most the time I only play a game for a few months MAX then I sorta just jump into it every once and a while. I dont really give a shit if the HDD dies. All my porn and movies go onto my NAS with new drives tho.
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>>80353503
>thinking AMD ever had your back.
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>>80353712
Go to an office supply/amazon and get a sturdy folding desk made for conferences.
Tons of legroom and most of them are rock fucking solid and super high quality compared to the consumer targeted shit you can get for that money.
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Is it worth paying $40 more for a MB that has WIFI 6 built in vs using a WIFI 4 card I already have? I'm not going to really see a difference if my speed is only 100mb up/d, right?
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>>80350319
In the beta it did. Just that certain stuff acted weird when fps cap was upped so they stuck it to 60.
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>>80353746
I bet that the 3080Ti will be the continuation of the crypto nerf Ampere cards. I wouldn't be surprised if the hash rate is nerfed by more than half so they can sell those CMPs.
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>>80353647
Since you're on a Z68-era board you're going to be limited to SATA storage. Usually one of the following models is the cheapest top-spec SATA SSD.
>WD Blue
>Crucial MX500
>ADATA SU800
>Team Group Vulcan
>Samsung 860 EVO
Ultimately you're going to be bottlenecked by the transfer medium (SATA) since it's relatively easy to design a controller capable of hitting 550MBps sequential. Obviously you could use an add-in card to use NVMe on an old chipset but, from what I've heard, you may have problems booting and potentially stability issues if you do so. Better to, like you say, buy an NVMe drive for your OS when you upgrade the whole rig.
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How much would the 3080Ti cost? It's not like they can dramatically increase the price for 2 GB of GDDR6X, right? 799 MSRP max?
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>>80353795
is that a touhou?
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>>80353841
Yes.
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>>80353837
If it starts at 1.5k$ that'd be a steal anon.
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>>80353841
WE
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>>80353841
yeah it's Suika Ibuki
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>>80353647
Get a Munchkin or CX or whatever the fuck is in the ~$150-160 range, just make sure it's got DRAM and isn't particularly shitty.

>>80353795
Depends on just what the card maxes out at vs what changes you might get in ISP speeds in the future: ours just doubled our speeds a week or two ago so if something starts breathing down yours' neck the same thing could happen.
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>>80353795
The $40 may be more on the motherboard than a WiFi addon. If you're happy with what you have and it's compatible, use it. I can see some of the conveniences of less add-on cards, however. You're the one to make that call for your use case (which is still yet to be explained), not the anons here.

Your wireless access points also have to support the increased ac/ax bandwidth.
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>>80352761
Define garbage because in several tasks they are pretty comparable or the high price difference negates the performance gain of the 5900x.
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>>80353895
I never meant to imply that the 5900x is the better value product at current prices.
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>>80353837
lmao
theyre gonna milk you like a cow
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Any benefit to running separate SSDs for OS and Games? If not, I'll stick with getting 1 SSD for both
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>>80353746
It seems like 20GB of GDDR6x or whatever was overkill
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>>80353929
If your OS becomes corrupted for some reason, all your games will still be there after you reinstall.
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>>80353929
probably no benefit
the OS shouldn't be doing a lot of read/write when you are playing games
unless you have stuff on your C drive that you are streaming somewhere or copying somewhere, while you are trying to play the game at the same time
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>>80353806
3080ti is basically going to be a test to see if Nvidia was actually serious with their statement or just trying to play lip service.
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>>80353854
w
u
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>>80353845
Thanks!
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>>80353885
>The $40 may be more on the motherboard than a WiFi addon.
Pretty sure it's just the wifi desu. It's the MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS $180 -vs.- MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI $220.
I don't have either, just a wifi 4 card I use with my old mb (pic related) and wondering which is worth getting.
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>>80353929
no only hyper autists insist on seperating them
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>>80353837
>MSRP
meaningless
my bet is $1,4k
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>>80353795
For the record, the IEEE 802.11ax standard (marketed as Wi-Fi 6 by the Wi-Fi Alliance) has not been published yet, despite the timeline mentioning "November 2020" earlier and now "February 2021".
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>>80353970
>450mbps

In that case save the $40 because the way shit's going with internet speeds it's gonna' be a looooooong time before you start getting that at a reasonable rate.
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Why don't you just give up and buy from a system integrator like Ibuypower who has 3090s on hand.
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>>80353996
>>80354007
Okay that's good I get to save money thank you
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How the fuck is crypto even allowed?
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>>80354069
why shouldn't it be allowed?
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>>80354069
>you_wouldn't_get_it.png
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>>80353963
japanesu goburin
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>>80354084
It's extremely harmful in Satan knows how many ways, not least the home computing scene
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>>80354021
Because fuck them.
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it's funny how this thread still looks forward to new graphics cards, asks about fantasy numbers like MSRPR and thinks about price cuts for AMD cards
this is some advanced reality immunity
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>>80354145
delet this
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>>80354145
Haha...
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>>80354145
Things can only go up from here.
It won't get too much worse now.
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>>80354145
nigga everyone here believes their animu waifus are better than real women. what did you really think?
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>>80354145
The real reality immunity at play here is the attribution of value to fucking cryptocurrencies.
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>>80354145
why? they'll be in stock eventually, might as well talk about them so you know what to get once you have the chance
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>>80354169
>implying
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>>80354145
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>>80354168
Just wanted to dismiss you, but it seems like ethereum might've reached the bulltrap. We might see it shoot up again for the next couple of days, but investor confidence has definitely waned, so that will only be short term. Smart investors will sell soon.
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>>80353715
Preferably a rectangle with no less than 24 inches in depth but can be deeper. The width can be between 50 and 60 inches as that's all the space I can spare atm. I'm not too confident in Amazon's desks but had one before that held up well enough
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>>80354145
This. Even if they fixed the silicon shortage and mining stopped being profitable tomorrow, prices will take months to normalize again.
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>>80354353
2021 will just be a bad year for hardware. Nothing anyone can do about. I just hope my RX 570 doesn't decide to die on me.
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>>80353934
that was primo future proof for at least a few generations
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>>80353837
$999 is the hope
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can someone give me a quick rundown on PSUs? it used to be "stick with the big guys, Corsair, Seasonic (best), EVGA; avoid Thermaltake, coolermaster, and never get one with a case" but now it seems like some of the GOOD brands can't be trusted and shitty brands are being recommended. also, I don't remember there being this many Bronze on the market, you either got the 80+ barely complies or 80+ gold.

I don't care for RGB, I don't care for modular, I'm looking for 500-600w.
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>>80354476
The reality is that almost every company has good and bad units. Corsair's VS series is atrocious, for example.
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>>80354512
so it's always just a crapshoot now?

we'll, I guess I'm buying this rosewill, wish me luck
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RTX 3060 are now up in some stores and start at fucking 500 bucks.
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>>80354601
>so it's always just a crapshoot now?
If you do no research, sure. It's like buying a graphics card without knowing anything about it. LTT's PSU tierlist is old and missing a lot, but it's good enough for getting some recommendations.
>now
It's like this since 2009 or so. People are way too hung up on brands because they're generally too lazy to look into stuff.
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>>80354668
Up as in for sale or just the price? Because none should be for sale yet.
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>>80354668
my microcenter had a few on the shelf, they're scanning IDs are limiting them to 1 a month per person
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>>80353906
awww shit I fucked up.
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>>80354716
that was in regards to graphic cards, btw, not the 3060 in particular
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>seasonic
reliable but every unit I had suffered from coil whine to some degree
>corsair
shitty fans. if you can live with that, the rmx units are breddy gud

i personally use and like pic related. reliable and the company name isn't even a meme
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>>80354773
I'm currently running an OCZ from 2009, it's very quiet, but I'm building a new rig and figured now is as good a time as any to get a new power supply, especially since I don't want this one crapping out and fucking my new components.
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>>80354715
Prices, at least for the MSI cards here in Krautland.
500 for Ventus, 600 for gaming x, 650 for gaming x trio.
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>>80354728
It's okay friend.
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>>80354773
I still have my Corsair TX550M, but the original had horrible high pitch noise when it was under slight load and around 30 minutes after the load ends.
I just opened it up and switch the fan with a 120mm noctua and now it's silent even under heavy load.
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would you pay 660€ (about 800USD) for a 3060ti?
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>>80354866
not if I wasn't a miner
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>>80354835
that's Corsair for you. I never personally owned because whenever I build PCs for people and they use a Corsair PSU it comes with some fan issues
>>80354866
350€ max. I don't care how unrealistic it is
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>>80346640
>RECOMMENDED RAM
>3200/3600MHz
how big of a difference are these two speeds really? I see 3200 32gp for $144 vs 3600 32gb for $184
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>>80354952
About 2%, which is probably about the same percentage as the price difference in the context of the whole system. Tends to stand out much more on Ryzen CPUs though.
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>>80354952
Not that large. The difference is only measurable when your system is CPU bound. It also depends on what your CAS latency is as well.
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>>80354815
>$500 for 2x ventus house fire edition
sad these will sell
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>>80346999
what video is this from?
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>>80353970
I have that same wifi card but i dont use it because i have wired connection at home
it gets 5 bands somehow even without antennas installed
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>>80354169
i tested this irl and its true
now i cant get rid of my pgf
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With the exception of EVGA and PNY(lol who?) every nvidia AIB is a chink company. What gives? Where are all the European and Japanese and Korean board partners?
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>>80354978
So it's not worth it if I'm using an intel cpu? I don't mind paying extra but if there's realistically no difference then I'd rather put $40 elsewhere like another storage device.

I don't know if my system is "cpu bound" but it'll be a 10850k with a 3070.
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>>80355089
PNX is based
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>>80355103
>CEO: Gadi Cohen
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would it be possible to add a floppy drive to a new pc, just for the lolz?
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>>80346640
>>80346640
are intel ES chips worth it? they are considerably cheaper. the RAM only works at 2666mhz, but does this matter for real world performance?
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>>80355223
Maybe through some converter
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i'm in doubt
should i spend a lot of money and buy a decent current-gen PC or spend less than 1/3 of the price with battery/keyboard and an ssd for my i5 2410m laptop?
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What we really need is more fabs and some competition for TSMC and Samsung. Things got a lot worse after Globalfoundries tapped out.
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>>80355089
europe and japan dont really have a silicon valley
they made it as far as cars in the tech tree and stopped advancing
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How bad of a monitor is a TV?
If I see some 4k 32 inch tv for some comically low price I might get one and mount it portrait as a secondary monitor for reading things because I fucking despise having pan around a page. I might get a 27 inch 1080 as my main monitor. I have two 24's right now.
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>>80355353
>>80355089
your capacitors are japanese and your VRMs probably german
most of europe's semiconductor sector is focused on embedded industry solutions and japan has tech giants like toshiba
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R8 my build
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I don’t know anything about cpu AIO since I’ve been on air forever but my 5900x gets hot under load + gpu heating it up more.

I got a 240mm AIO for it and I don’t know if push pull fans would improve it? I removed the stock fans with a pair noctua pressure fans not sure if adding the stock fans on top would improve the performance?

Pic related
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I finished my new build last night and am having some cpu issues. I have a 5800x being cooled by an nzxt x73 and it heats up to like 60 - 70 celsius for bullshit like navigating windows and opening new tabs in firefox. right now I'm downloading a game in steam and it's sitting steady at 63 degrees according to hwmonitor.

I also just finished reseating the cooler and applying new thermal paste and no change. what's the fucking deal with this shit?
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>>80355550
did you remove the tape on the heatsink? are the fans spinning?
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>>80355550
the 5800x just likes it hot. there are people who's CPU goes up to like 90°c under load with good cooling
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>>80355569
yes and yes. case fans and cpu fans are spinning loud as fuck when it heats up which is one of the most annoying parts.
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>>80355550
>liquid cooling
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>>80355550
5800x is the garbage silicon they bin when they get a bad 5900x or 5950x (which is most of the time because yields are comical)
as such it is a housefire, which is why nobody actually wants it
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Brand new 2080 Super for 800 bucks worth it right now?
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>>80355596
>>80355601

that's fine but it still gets too hot for simple tasks like that. ramping up to 60-70 c shouldn't happen when navigating windows. it's not like I'm running any cpu intensive programs in the background either.
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>>80355601
it's the only zen 3 CPU you can actually buy for MSRP here
let's hope for a 5700g someday
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>>80355607
>buying literally anything this inflated
Unless you are actively making money with a GPU purchase nothing is worth it
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>>80355630
you did it to yourself buddy, even the worst amd fanboys aren't buying that garbage
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>>80355646
Isn't it pretty close to MSPR?
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>>80355503
I'd try the push pull with the extra fans, also try switching the back fan orientation to get more fresh air into the system, since you'll have a strong exhaust anyway with the four rad fans.

>>80355550
Does your system and the rad get enough ventilation?
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>>80355659
honestly I wanted a 5600x but got sick of waiting after a few weeks of trying to get one. I understand it's not the best bang for the buck but memes aside something is fucked up here.

>>80355667
yep, definitely nothing blocking the fans or the rad. six intake fans, three exhaust fans. the tubes are both warm after running for a while so I don't think there's any kind of blockage.
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>>80355715
>honestly I wanted a 5600x but got sick of waiting after a few weeks of trying to get one
where are you located?
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>>80355731
utah. microcenter always has them in stock but that's in store only. there's not a store anywhere near me.
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>>80355752
Set your board to ECO mode
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any update on Ryzen 5 3400G in stock again? withe the GPU prices, this APU looks like the best option for me rn
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>>80355934
I personally would look out for a 4650g
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>>80355934
are they even producing 3000 series anymore?
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>>80355465
looking good
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>>80355596
>>80355630
>>80355659
thee 5800x just has voltage settings that aren't really optimized. Motherboards also do ave the issue of often putting too much power or voltage to a CPU which make it eat up more and less efficient.
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>>80346893
You retard. Testing the drives with badblocks and smartctl is fine and will let you save money
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>>80355956
The 3700X is uniroincally the king right now since it's in stock
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>>80356092
>in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is the king
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>>80356092
it's also overpriced
should be 250 bucks
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>>80356132
That's just how it is senpai
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>>80356132
still overpriced when 10700F is 230$ and performs better
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>>80356159
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>>80356092
in stock is not the same as still producing
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>>80356149
i think AMD can get away with it because everyone already has an AM4 mobo
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>>80355465
what do you need 2 rtx cards for?
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>>80346893
If I can really get $10/TB I'll just get 4 4TB drives for $160 and have a 12TB raid 5 and just replace the drive when it fails and lose no data



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