A general for the discussion of all non-x86 ISAs (RISC-V, SPARC, m68k, PA-RISC, MIPS, Itanium, PowerPC, etc.) retro and modern.Fantastic ISAs and Where to Find Them:ARM:https://developer.nvidia.com/buy-jetsonhttps://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/M68K:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B89YHSB/http://www.apollo-core.com/index.htmMIPS:https://www.embeddedplanet.com/products_list/cavium-octeon-iii-development-board/https://elinux.org/MIPS_Creator_CI20POWER/PowerPC:https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/5-sam-motherboardshttps://www.nxp.com/design/qoriq-developer-resources/qoriq-t2080-development-board:T2080RDBhttps://www.powerpc-notebook.orghttps://raptorcs.com/content/BK1SD1/intro.htmlRISC-V:https://bellard.org/tinyemu/https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatchedSPARC:https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/servers/unix/sparc/lineup/SuperH:https://www.apnet.co.jp/product/ms104/ms104-sh4.htmlMore:https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki//aig/_Alternative_ISA_GeneralPrevious threads: >>80319845, >>80332285
>>80332410I once saw someone had riced what I think was either MATE or XFCE to look like a near-perfect Platinum clone, though I don't remember where I found it.
>ZISC is a general purpose computer architecture unique for its lack of a cpu or instruction set. >Computation is distributed to address mapped functional units which pair off and share data under the direction of a simple sequencer. >Customary traits of other general purpose architectures; branching, interrupt handling (and multitasking), are present. >In addition, ZISC features on the fly configurability to the task at hand.Thoughts? http://www.kevindowd.com/zisc.txt
bump for RISC-V and POWERPC the superior desktop ISAs
>>80338117Looking forward to 8-bit Guy's video about it
>>80337658>Abandoned general editionIt's MondayPeople work on Mondays
Anyone know where I can get a pre-installed disk image of VMS for SimH with a cracked license? I wanted to do this legally but apparently HPE stopped giving out hobbyist licenses for VAX.
Why wasn't there a Sun Macrosystems
>>80340475Adobe bought Macromedia and all the macros
What is this wizardy?
>>80337658>m68kThere should probably be a link to this:http://m68k.info/
Why isnt there more interest in this stuff? Why do threads like this keep sinking? What's wrong with you guys?
>>80337658Thinking of getting an HP C8000 workstation. I'd prefer an AIX box but they're so hard to find a fast one.
>>80337769There's a Platinum clone DE/WM in development.
>>80343017>X window serverwhy
>>80337658Sun logo looks like swastika
>>80343029Because Wayland is still raw even on x86 with modern GPUs, yet alone non-x86 based ISAs and older graphics cards and open source drivers.
>>80337658/g/ I think the final redpill is linux + risc-v + homemade chips with electron beam lithography
>>80343017The menu bar looks too thin.
>>80343179Good luck doing sub-micron lithography at home.
>>80343031>In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ("sun")
>>80343201>Good luckthank you
>>80343193Looks like accurate OS 9 thickness to me. People are just used to the bar being bigger since you rarely see classic Mac OS at 1080p or higher.
>>80343238BasedThis general needed a logo anyways
>>80343193>>80343247The bar itself is thinner in Prism, but that's configurable The scale between the bar and text/icons is accurate though, plus Prism lacks rounded corners, making it look thinner too
>>80342638Many threads got archived yesterday after a mild flood of threads about Johnathan Blow
>>80343017Oh nice this looks gorgeous.>14 of 16 gb usedUhh...
>>80344203>Uhh...I justo noticed that.But I doubt it's the WM what eats all that memory.
>>80343238This looked better in my mind
>>80344203>>80344391Seems like it's reverse, showing total and unused memory, not how much memory the WM is using
>>80343238we must secure the existence of RISC architectures and a future for alternative ISAs
I don't get the picture on the OP
>>80344820technically thtat's ciscist.
>>80343238That's actually not a joke. Sun logo is a SUN made look like a rune "sun". Swastika is also a rune that means "sun"
>>80345696I guess people weren't so sensitive back then
>>80316591 >A Macrumors user put together a nice Ubuntu 12.04 based distro with updated software. Works well even on my iBook G3.link faggot
>>80337658>no modern SPARC workstations>everything under $1k is a 9000W housefire server>everything in a desktop form factor is ancient and overpricedWhy won't Fujitsu happy merchants just make a low end workstation for developers? SPARC is a perfectly good architecture and they would sell more servers if the platform was more accessible to regular people.
>>80346869something something Microsofthttps://www.fujitsu.com/us/about/info-center/global-alliances/microsoft/
>>80346419As said, it had nothing to do with the Nazi Swastika.
https://scs.sifive(.)com/core-designer/?utm_source=sifive_www&utm_medium=www_cta&utm_content=core_designer_page_top_ctaLets build our dream RISC-V!SiFive has a graphical "designer" thingy. I doubt any of us could actually pay for a production run, but it is nice to dream. I'm thinking of ordering their latest board to build a NAS.
>>80347150Almost all RISC workstation vendors ended up in some sort of alliance with Intel and/or Microsoft. Remember fucking Merced aka Itanium?
Someone write a guide on buying used workstations
I've just ordered an HP C8000 PA-RISC workstation!Really looking forward to getting to grips with this beast and learning HP-UX. I'll try to port some software to it.
>>80348086based wealthy anonlast time I checked those things were sold for the price of a small car
>>80348258Bought mine for €19 off a eBay auction, just came with no HDD. Don't know who thinks they are expensive, maybe the same people who fall for eBay scalpers that sell Sun's and G5's for €500.
>>80348086need an itanium one
gonna do an image dump
Is this just a hobby thing or are the alternatives capable of doing something that x86 cant in 2020?
>>80348591>can'tYes, being more secure and open. Anyways, the point isn't doing more, the point is doing the same without having to suffer the negative of x86.
>>80338117>http://www.kevindowd.com/zisc.txtSeems mor elike transport triggered architecture tan normal ZISC/SISCLook into SUBLEQ and also an OS dedicated to this architecture:http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/
>>80348647If you don't write assembly (imho it's a clusterfuck on x86), then it's not really important what platform you use. The meltdown and spectre can be avoided with older x86 processors.
>>80350187>The meltdown and spectre can be avoided with older x86 processors.Too old to be useful even compared to most alt ISAs
>>80349082SUBLEQ fits well in small FPGAs, here is an article about this:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/FPGA-board-28-Subleq-processors-with-allocated-2-Kb-per-processor_fig3_51911189OP, how about adding SUBLEQ to Wiki?
>>80348591The point was never doing what x86 can't.Much of the software you take for granted on Intel was multiplat not very long ago.Cubase used to run on M68K Amigas and Macs; LightWave 3D ran on M68K Amigas and Macs, PowerPC Macs, SGI MIP and DEC Alpha; Realsoft 3D was also released for the M68K Amiga, the PowerPC Mac, MIPS IRIX and x86 Windows.The fact that you believe alt ISAs belong to niche uses and applications show how young (or retarded) you really are. It's almost cute.
>>80350340>>show how young (or retarded) you really are. It's almost cute.>the amigatard is a smug asshole Like pottery.
>>80348293Where can you find a cheap G5? I never see 4 core G5s
>>80348258>wealthyWish I was - I just got a good deal was all. >>80348429I'm keeping a look out for one, but they seem to go for consistently high prices - maybe I'll be lucky some day.
>>80343201Historically, 1 micron wasn't too bad for a starting point. The 486DX had that and an RV32GC core could probably be smaller. But the one guy doing chips in his garage is only getting like 16 gates on a chip, at 10 micron, I think. So you'd probably still have to hire a fab to make your stuff.But it could be an old fab, or one of those maskless mini-fabs in Japan that use tiny wafers. The mini fab started at 1000nm and is already down to like 350nm. Some day college electronic engineering programs might have mini-fabs like that.
>>80351046I'm in Germany and there's several on sale right now.
>>80348429Wait, there are IA64 workstations? Can these run OpenVMS like Integrity servers?
how viable is a raspberry pi for a mobile shitposting computer?
>>80351477A Pi 4 would be good enough.
>>80346449Lubuntu 16.04 & 12.04 Remixhttps://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lubuntu-16-04-remix-updated.2204742/
>>80348429I always loved the look of those, I want one so bad. Same with the integrity servers.
>>80352960Too bad the feet on the Itanium ones aren't detachable
>>80350216How far back do you have to go?
>>80354538Penryn (c2d) and before are ok
>>80356518Oh jesus I remember this
Got an HP workstation coming soon. Anyone know where to find the depots? They're missing from HP's website now. Dunno if I can get support access with a serial number from my achine or what.
>>80343017Do you have a link to it? I couldn't find it
>>80360190And? It already appears to work, I don't care whether it's stable or not, I just want to see more than 1 screenshot(or download and use it)
>>80351520>>80356518>Today:>Put on the Quest 2 VR heatset>Enable hand tracking, can type with fingers, etc on virtual keyboard>Have both a remote desktop session to a full blown Linux desktop running on my phone, connected over VNC and WiFi and the native built in apps and browsers, while being able to also see the world around me (if needed)
>>80348293>just came with no HDD.How do you plan on using HP-UX then
>>80361011The C8000 workstation at least can take either SCSI or IDE hard drives. Then you just need to download an HP-UX ISO and burn it to disc.
>>80361011>download any version you want from the old nekochan FTP mirror Don't see why that should be a problem
>>80361041>>80361054So you don't need a key or license from HP?It will just run just like MacOS?
>>80363071The machine comes with the OS. The OS sees it's running on actual hardware and that's enough, it's not like you can use the OS on other machines. It is like macOS.
>>80352960How about a Superdome? Not sure about the size but looks comfy.
>>80363658Imagine the power bill
>>80363835No problems where I live.
>>80364186>No problems where I live.The ISS?
>>80364510Norway. Electricity is cheap and cooling means pulling in (clean) outdoor air at -20C.
>guy auctions a quad on MX ebay>everybody is interested in the chasis onlyfucking plebs I swear
>>80364806I used to run my FX-6350 like that when I had a 5GHz OC and it took 160W.
>>80365078I've noticed cases sell for much more too than whole G5's that require work to be stripped
>>80343017is it going to work with the global menus in newer qt/gtk programs?
>>80360275The author doesn't want to publish it until "it is stable and polished". The last update was two months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jvnzkb/prismwm_introducing_the_prism_window_manager_a/gg3wz0n/
>>80360275It works, but it's every developers choice when, if ever, they choose to publish something to the public.Not every developer is a game developer who loves releasing pre-release broken shit to people.>>80365433It's going well as far as I recently heard. Hopefully gets a release soon.
>>80365078Fucking christ at this point I’d fly to Mexico to buy a quad at a reasonable price, icing on the cake if I save it from becoming some retrofit monstrosity.
>>80364806Every 10c drop = 16mV less vCore
>>80365716I'm already biddingI wanna save her bros
>>80365321Do those have anything other than a hamburger menu?
>>80367602well yeah kde even comes with a global menu widget for your panels. you're thinking of gnome.
Debian Sid has now built and packaged a Wayland compositor for s390x and m68k.
>>80367662Jesus Christ that's horrible.
>>80367662Where can you even use it with? Very niche PCI Amiga builds that have a DRI/GLX capable GPU and a '060?
>>80367662Isn't GAYland a huge resource hog?
>>80367742On modern hardware it has less overhead than X, but X can be more minimalist while more feature and hardware limited.
>>80365078>>80365716I don't get sleeperfaggots that chase after shit like G5s. Almost all of them are tasteless half-asses and the mods are universally terrible with horrible mismatched backplates and swathes of empty spaces inside that basically erase most of the attention to detail and intricacies that make the G5 so aesthetically pleasing in the first place. What's even more baffling to me is how hard they cope and make excuses when you point it out.Just buy Fractalshit if you want to pretend you're hip in /bst/.
>>80346869>Why won't Fujitsu happy merchants just make a low end workstation for developers?Where's the market? Nobody's writing significant amounts of system-level shit on SPARC or really any RISC platform, it's practically antithetical to the RISC philosophy to begin with, and a remote server does the same job better anyway. The age of the workstation is over, might as well enjoy what we can get.
>>80348086Connect archive should have enough to get you started. I think these only run up to 11.11 which is getting long in the teeth, my C3000 stopped being viable for shitposting a while ago. They make decent servers though, HPPA is very underrated.>>80348293I never see them for less than $800 on eBay anymore but I do not regularly search for them.
>>80368169They can be made to run 11.31 but it's officially unsupported and I believe it would be without OpenGL. One could try to adjust the old 11.11 kernel modules for the FGLRX driver to build, possibly copying over the old XFree86, but it sounds fraught and I doubt the result would be stable. (It would however be very cool indeed!)With the help of the patchsets one could get 11.11 into somewhat more modern shape.I think the C8000 would have plenty power for shitposting - if only there were a modern browser. To achieve that the easiest way - something WebKit based - one would need a modern C++14-supporting g++, a C++14-supporting C++ library, and then to port WebKit, and it'd probably be difficult because browser engines are so aggressively optimising nowadays that they make all kinds of assumptions, both OS-wise and then there's the issue of it being a different architecture, and a big-endian one at that.I used to maintain the Chromium port to Solaris - just Solaris x86, mind you -, and let me tell you, what a nightmare that was! I remember one peculiar bug caused by a bit of assembly language which made a Linux system call which wasn't in GLibC yet. Speaking of of GLibC, Chromium built in Linux mode (which was the reasonable basis for a Solaris port) intimately depended on its subtleties and implementation details.But excuse me for rambling - I'm just an old Unix boomer for whom the death of the Unix workstation has been a sad thing to live.
>>80368763>made a Linux system call which wasn't in GLibC yet. Speaking of of GLibC, Chromium built in Linux mode (which was the reasonable basis for a Solaris port) intimately depended on its subtleties and implementation details.Yeah it's still shit on BSDs. They're basically unusable for desktops now because Firefox's JIT performance is super half assed.
>>80368927Dependencies have gotten outrageous. Linux apps are now so tightly bound with their kernel that even Microsoft abandoned the Windows Subsystem for Linux Applications in favour of WSL 2.0 which is just a glorified hypervisor running a lightly-modified Linux.
based or cringe
>>80368115Lots of people use Linux workstations these days. Why do you think there would be no market for SPARC chips in workstations? People are buying POWER9 workstations, and a lot more would buy them if they were under $1500.
>>80368763Do you have a build of Chromium for Solaris x86? I'm looking for a more modern browser than FF 52 for my VM
>>80370517Can you even boot any OS?
I was a MIPS enthusiast, spent a fortune on SGI hardware back in the day. That is all moot now since its outdated and useless garbage now.
>>80371434>outdated and useless garbage now.Sell it to a hipsterIt's easy money
HOLY SCALPERS BATMANhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/SGI-Tezro-Workstation-4x700MHz-MIPS-R16000/114558352288
>>80371147Not a recent one - my last Chromium build was, I think, version 20.https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/desktop/firefoxThere seems to be a build script for Firefox 78 in the Oracle repository - might be worth trying to build that, or see if it's made it to the package catalogue.
https://youtu.be/xG_0RfE-8JkReminder we just recently got a functional OG Xbox emulator 20 years later.Meanwhile in 2004, the 2.0 Ghz DP Power Mac G5 ran OG Xbox games at full speed.
>>80365078link pls>>80367903because they think they're saving the cases by mutilating them into abominations while also discarding the guts because "oh they were old and useless anyway, who cares :DDD"
>>80370546There's no point. What does SPARC offer? The performance is worse, the application base is about the same or worse, the feature set advantage is marginal at best and geared exclusively towardsmulti-user, I/O-heavy use cases that nobody uses workstations for, and the costs would be astronomical, probably quite a bit more than Raptor's systems which are NOT selling well either. Workstations are dead.
>>80368763My C3000 was still great for shitposting, it's just that Mozilla can't talk to sys.4chan.org anymore after some kind of certificate update.
>>80374130The M1 is a workstation you know
>>80337658I accidentally wrote ext4 to an ibook g4 while trying to netinstall debian 10 to it (only way to install current powerpc build, which IS maintained despite website saying otherwise)Anyways, the ibook is kind of fucked now because it can't handle ext4, and every time the hard drive tries to read when i try to redo the debian install (writing partitions to disk) it freezes because ext4 apparently makes this thing fucking kill itself.anyways, how do I zero out this things hard drive without crashing it first when a partition program inevitably tries to read the hard drive?
>>80375059accidentally is a strong word, i totally wrote ext4 on purpose, i just had no idea the poor shitbook couldn't handle it
>>80375059Reparation in different computor
>>80375102you mean, read and edit the hard drive on a different computer?is that possible without removing it
>>80375132No just yank it out