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A general for the discussion of all non-x86 ISAs (RISC-V, SPARC, m68k, PA-RISC, MIPS, Itanium, PowerPC, etc.) retro and modern.

Fantastic ISAs and Where to Find Them:

ARM:
https://developer.nvidia.com/buy-jetson
https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

M68K:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B89YHSB/
http://www.apollo-core.com/index.htm

MIPS:
https://www.embeddedplanet.com/products_list/cavium-octeon-iii-development-board/
https://elinux.org/MIPS_Creator_CI20

POWER/PowerPC:
https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/5-sam-motherboards
https://www.nxp.com/design/qoriq-developer-resources/qoriq-t2080-development-board:T2080RDB
https://www.powerpc-notebook.org
https://raptorcs.com/content/BK1SD1/intro.html

RISC-V:
https://bellard.org/tinyemu/
https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatched

SPARC:
https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/servers/unix/sparc/lineup/

SuperH:
https://www.apnet.co.jp/product/ms104/ms104-sh4.html

More:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki//aig/_Alternative_ISA_General

Previous threads: >>80319845, >>80332285
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>>80332410
I once saw someone had riced what I think was either MATE or XFCE to look like a near-perfect Platinum clone, though I don't remember where I found it.
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>ZISC is a general purpose computer architecture unique for its lack of a cpu or instruction set.
>Computation is distributed to address mapped functional units which pair off and share data under the direction of a simple sequencer. >Customary traits of other general purpose architectures; branching, interrupt handling (and multitasking), are present.
>In addition, ZISC features on the fly configurability to the task at hand.
Thoughts?
http://www.kevindowd.com/zisc.txt
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bump for RISC-V and POWERPC the superior desktop ISAs
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>>80338117
Looking forward to 8-bit Guy's video about it
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>>80337658
>Abandoned general edition
It's Monday
People work on Mondays
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Anyone know where I can get a pre-installed disk image of VMS for SimH with a cracked license? I wanted to do this legally but apparently HPE stopped giving out hobbyist licenses for VAX.
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>>80338685
https://raymii.org/s/blog/OpenVMS_7.3_install_log_with_simh_vax_on_Ubuntu_16.04.html#toc_0
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>>80338142
bampn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PssmC9zAYvQ
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Why wasn't there a Sun Macrosystems
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>>80340475
Adobe bought Macromedia and all the macros
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Bump
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What is this wizardy?
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>>80337658
>m68k
There should probably be a link to this:
http://m68k.info/
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Why isnt there more interest in this stuff? Why do threads like this keep sinking? What's wrong with you guys?
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>>80337658
Thinking of getting an HP C8000 workstation. I'd prefer an AIX box but they're so hard to find a fast one.
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>>80337769
There's a Platinum clone DE/WM in development.
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>>80343017
>X window server
why
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>>80337658
Sun logo looks like swastika
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>>80343029
Because Wayland is still raw even on x86 with modern GPUs, yet alone non-x86 based ISAs and older graphics cards and open source drivers.
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>>80337658
/g/ I think the final redpill is linux + risc-v + homemade chips with electron beam lithography
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>>80343017
The menu bar looks too thin.
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>>80343179
Good luck doing sub-micron lithography at home.
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>>80343031
>In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ("sun")
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>>80343201
>Good luck
thank you
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>>80343193
Looks like accurate OS 9 thickness to me. People are just used to the bar being bigger since you rarely see classic Mac OS at 1080p or higher.
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>>80343238
Based
This general needed a logo anyways
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>>80343193
>>80343247
The bar itself is thinner in Prism, but that's configurable
The scale between the bar and text/icons is accurate though, plus Prism lacks rounded corners, making it look thinner too
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>>80343238
lol
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>>80342638
Many threads got archived yesterday after a mild flood of threads about Johnathan Blow
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>>80343017
Oh nice this looks gorgeous.

>14 of 16 gb used
Uhh...
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>>80338685
Check Rutracker.
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>>80344203
>Uhh...
I justo noticed that.
But I doubt it's the WM what eats all that memory.
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>>80343238
This looked better in my mind
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>>80344203
>>80344391
Seems like it's reverse, showing total and unused memory, not how much memory the WM is using
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>>80343238
we must secure the existence of RISC architectures and a future for alternative ISAs
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>>80344428
Based
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I don't get the picture on the OP
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>>80344428
that's riscist
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>>80344820
technically thtat's ciscist.
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>>80343238
That's actually not a joke. Sun logo is a SUN made look like a rune "sun". Swastika is also a rune that means "sun"
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>>80345696
I guess people weren't so sensitive back then
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>>80316591
>A Macrumors user put together a nice Ubuntu 12.04 based distro with updated software. Works well even on my iBook G3.
link faggot
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>>80337658
>no modern SPARC workstations
>everything under $1k is a 9000W housefire server
>everything in a desktop form factor is ancient and overpriced
Why won't Fujitsu happy merchants just make a low end workstation for developers? SPARC is a perfectly good architecture and they would sell more servers if the platform was more accessible to regular people.
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>>80344428
>>>/pol/
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>>80346869
something something Microsoft
https://www.fujitsu.com/us/about/info-center/global-alliances/microsoft/
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>>80346419
As said, it had nothing to do with the Nazi Swastika.
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https://scs.sifive(.)com/core-designer/?utm_source=sifive_www&utm_medium=www_cta&utm_content=core_designer_page_top_cta

Lets build our dream RISC-V!

SiFive has a graphical "designer" thingy. I doubt any of us could actually pay for a production run, but it is nice to dream. I'm thinking of ordering their latest board to build a NAS.
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>>80347150
Almost all RISC workstation vendors ended up in some sort of alliance with Intel and/or Microsoft. Remember fucking Merced aka Itanium?
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Someone write a guide on buying used workstations
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I've just ordered an HP C8000 PA-RISC workstation!

Really looking forward to getting to grips with this beast and learning HP-UX.

I'll try to port some software to it.
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>>80348086
based wealthy anon
last time I checked those things were sold for the price of a small car
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>>80348258
Bought mine for €19 off a eBay auction, just came with no HDD. Don't know who thinks they are expensive, maybe the same people who fall for eBay scalpers that sell Sun's and G5's for €500.
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>>80348086
need an itanium one
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Is this just a hobby thing or are the alternatives capable of doing something that x86 cant in 2020?
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>>80348591
>can't
Yes, being more secure and open.
Anyways, the point isn't doing more, the point is doing the same without having to suffer the negative of x86.
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>>80338117
>http://www.kevindowd.com/zisc.txt
Seems mor elike transport triggered architecture tan normal ZISC/SISC

Look into SUBLEQ and also an OS dedicated to this architecture:
http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/
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>>80348647
If you don't write assembly (imho it's a clusterfuck on x86), then it's not really important what platform you use. The meltdown and spectre can be avoided with older x86 processors.
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>>80350187
>The meltdown and spectre can be avoided with older x86 processors.
Too old to be useful even compared to most alt ISAs
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>>80349082
SUBLEQ fits well in small FPGAs, here is an article about this:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/FPGA-board-28-Subleq-processors-with-allocated-2-Kb-per-processor_fig3_51911189
OP, how about adding SUBLEQ to Wiki?
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>>80348591
The point was never doing what x86 can't.
Much of the software you take for granted on Intel was multiplat not very long ago.
Cubase used to run on M68K Amigas and Macs; LightWave 3D ran on M68K Amigas and Macs, PowerPC Macs, SGI MIP and DEC Alpha; Realsoft 3D was also released for the M68K Amiga, the PowerPC Mac, MIPS IRIX and x86 Windows.
The fact that you believe alt ISAs belong to niche uses and applications show how young (or retarded) you really are. It's almost cute.
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>>80350340
>>show how young (or retarded) you really are. It's almost cute.
>the amigatard is a smug asshole
Like pottery.
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>>80348293
Where can you find a cheap G5? I never see 4 core G5s
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>>80351046
facebook marketplace
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>>80348258
>wealthy
Wish I was - I just got a good deal was all.

>>80348429
I'm keeping a look out for one, but they seem to go for consistently high prices - maybe I'll be lucky some day.
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>>80343201
Historically, 1 micron wasn't too bad for a starting point. The 486DX had that and an RV32GC core could probably be smaller.
But the one guy doing chips in his garage is only getting like 16 gates on a chip, at 10 micron, I think. So you'd probably still have to hire a fab to make your stuff.
But it could be an old fab, or one of those maskless mini-fabs in Japan that use tiny wafers. The mini fab started at 1000nm and is already down to like 350nm. Some day college electronic engineering programs might have mini-fabs like that.
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>>80351046
I'm in Germany and there's several on sale right now.
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>>80348429
Wait, there are IA64 workstations? Can these run OpenVMS like Integrity servers?
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how viable is a raspberry pi for a mobile shitposting computer?
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>>80351477
A Pi 4 would be good enough.
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>>80346449
Lubuntu 16.04 & 12.04 Remix
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lubuntu-16-04-remix-updated.2204742/
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>>80348429
I always loved the look of those, I want one so bad.
Same with the integrity servers.
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>>80352960
Too bad the feet on the Itanium ones aren't detachable
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>>80350216
How far back do you have to go?
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>>80354538
far enough
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>>80354538
Penryn (c2d) and before are ok
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>>80351520
legendary thread
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>>80356518
Oh jesus I remember this
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Got an HP workstation coming soon. Anyone know where to find the depots? They're missing from HP's website now. Dunno if I can get support access with a serial number from my achine or what.
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>>80343017
Do you have a link to it? I couldn't find it
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>>80360147
>in development.
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>>80360190
And? It already appears to work, I don't care whether it's stable or not, I just want to see more than 1 screenshot(or download and use it)
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>>80351520
>>80356518
>Today:
>Put on the Quest 2 VR heatset
>Enable hand tracking, can type with fingers, etc on virtual keyboard
>Have both a remote desktop session to a full blown Linux desktop running on my phone, connected over VNC and WiFi and the native built in apps and browsers, while being able to also see the world around me (if needed)
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>>80348293
>just came with no HDD.
How do you plan on using HP-UX then
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>>80361011
The C8000 workstation at least can take either SCSI or IDE hard drives.
Then you just need to download an HP-UX ISO and burn it to disc.
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>>80361011
>download any version you want from the old nekochan FTP mirror
Don't see why that should be a problem
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>page 10
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>>80361041
>>80361054
So you don't need a key or license from HP?
It will just run just like MacOS?
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>>80363071
The machine comes with the OS. The OS sees it's running on actual hardware and that's enough, it's not like you can use the OS on other machines.
It is like macOS.
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>>80352960
How about a Superdome? Not sure about the size but looks comfy.
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>>80363658
Imagine the power bill
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>>80363835
No problems where I live.
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>>80364186
>No problems where I live.
The ISS?
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>>80364510
Norway. Electricity is cheap and cooling means pulling in (clean) outdoor air at -20C.
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>guy auctions a quad on MX ebay
>everybody is interested in the chasis only
fucking plebs I swear
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>>80364806
I used to run my FX-6350 like that when I had a 5GHz OC and it took 160W.
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>>80365078
I've noticed cases sell for much more too than whole G5's that require work to be stripped
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>>80343017
is it going to work with the global menus in newer qt/gtk programs?
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>>80360275
The author doesn't want to publish it until "it is stable and polished". The last update was two months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/jvnzkb/prismwm_introducing_the_prism_window_manager_a/gg3wz0n/
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>>80360275
It works, but it's every developers choice when, if ever, they choose to publish something to the public.
Not every developer is a game developer who loves releasing pre-release broken shit to people.

>>80365433
It's going well as far as I recently heard. Hopefully gets a release soon.
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>>80365078
Fucking christ at this point I’d fly to Mexico to buy a quad at a reasonable price, icing on the cake if I save it from becoming some retrofit monstrosity.
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>>80364806
Every 10c drop = 16mV less vCore
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>>80365716
I'm already bidding
I wanna save her bros
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>>80365321
Do those have anything other than a hamburger menu?
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>>80367602
well yeah kde even comes with a global menu widget for your panels. you're thinking of gnome.
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Debian Sid has now built and packaged a Wayland compositor for s390x and m68k.
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>>80367662
Jesus Christ that's horrible.
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>>80367662
Where can you even use it with? Very niche PCI Amiga builds that have a DRI/GLX capable GPU and a '060?
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>>80367662
Isn't GAYland a huge resource hog?
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>>80367742
On modern hardware it has less overhead than X, but X can be more minimalist while more feature and hardware limited.
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>>80365078
>>80365716
I don't get sleeperfaggots that chase after shit like G5s. Almost all of them are tasteless half-asses and the mods are universally terrible with horrible mismatched backplates and swathes of empty spaces inside that basically erase most of the attention to detail and intricacies that make the G5 so aesthetically pleasing in the first place. What's even more baffling to me is how hard they cope and make excuses when you point it out.

Just buy Fractalshit if you want to pretend you're hip in /bst/.
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>>80346869
>Why won't Fujitsu happy merchants just make a low end workstation for developers?
Where's the market? Nobody's writing significant amounts of system-level shit on SPARC or really any RISC platform, it's practically antithetical to the RISC philosophy to begin with, and a remote server does the same job better anyway. The age of the workstation is over, might as well enjoy what we can get.
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>>80348086
Connect archive should have enough to get you started. I think these only run up to 11.11 which is getting long in the teeth, my C3000 stopped being viable for shitposting a while ago. They make decent servers though, HPPA is very underrated.
>>80348293
I never see them for less than $800 on eBay anymore but I do not regularly search for them.
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>>80368169
They can be made to run 11.31 but it's officially unsupported and I believe it would be without OpenGL. One could try to adjust the old 11.11 kernel modules for the FGLRX driver to build, possibly copying over the old XFree86, but it sounds fraught and I doubt the result would be stable. (It would however be very cool indeed!)
With the help of the patchsets one could get 11.11 into somewhat more modern shape.
I think the C8000 would have plenty power for shitposting - if only there were a modern browser. To achieve that the easiest way - something WebKit based - one would need a modern C++14-supporting g++, a C++14-supporting C++ library, and then to port WebKit, and it'd probably be difficult because browser engines are so aggressively optimising nowadays that they make all kinds of assumptions, both OS-wise and then there's the issue of it being a different architecture, and a big-endian one at that.
I used to maintain the Chromium port to Solaris - just Solaris x86, mind you -, and let me tell you, what a nightmare that was! I remember one peculiar bug caused by a bit of assembly language which made a Linux system call which wasn't in GLibC yet. Speaking of of GLibC, Chromium built in Linux mode (which was the reasonable basis for a Solaris port) intimately depended on its subtleties and implementation details.
But excuse me for rambling - I'm just an old Unix boomer for whom the death of the Unix workstation has been a sad thing to live.
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>>80368763
>made a Linux system call which wasn't in GLibC yet. Speaking of of GLibC, Chromium built in Linux mode (which was the reasonable basis for a Solaris port) intimately depended on its subtleties and implementation details.
Yeah it's still shit on BSDs. They're basically unusable for desktops now because Firefox's JIT performance is super half assed.
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>>80368927
Dependencies have gotten outrageous. Linux apps are now so tightly bound with their kernel that even Microsoft abandoned the Windows Subsystem for Linux Applications in favour of WSL 2.0 which is just a glorified hypervisor running a lightly-modified Linux.
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>>80368115
Lots of people use Linux workstations these days. Why do you think there would be no market for SPARC chips in workstations? People are buying POWER9 workstations, and a lot more would buy them if they were under $1500.
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>>80368763
Do you have a build of Chromium for Solaris x86? I'm looking for a more modern browser than FF 52 for my VM
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>>80370517
Can you even boot any OS?
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I was a MIPS enthusiast, spent a fortune on SGI hardware back in the day. That is all moot now since its outdated and useless garbage now.
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>>80371434
>outdated and useless garbage now.
Sell it to a hipster
It's easy money
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HOLY SCALPERS BATMAN
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SGI-Tezro-Workstation-4x700MHz-MIPS-R16000/114558352288
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>>80371147
Not a recent one - my last Chromium build was, I think, version 20.
https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/desktop/firefox
There seems to be a build script for Firefox 78 in the Oracle repository - might be worth trying to build that, or see if it's made it to the package catalogue.
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https://youtu.be/xG_0RfE-8Jk
Reminder we just recently got a functional OG Xbox emulator 20 years later.
Meanwhile in 2004, the 2.0 Ghz DP Power Mac G5 ran OG Xbox games at full speed.
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>>80365078
link pls
>>80367903
because they think they're saving the cases by mutilating them into abominations while also discarding the guts because "oh they were old and useless anyway, who cares :DDD"
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>>80370546
There's no point. What does SPARC offer? The performance is worse, the application base is about the same or worse, the feature set advantage is marginal at best and geared exclusively towards
multi-user, I/O-heavy use cases that nobody uses workstations for, and the costs would be astronomical, probably quite a bit more than Raptor's systems which are NOT selling well either. Workstations are dead.
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>>80368763
My C3000 was still great for shitposting, it's just that Mozilla can't talk to sys.4chan.org anymore after some kind of certificate update.
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>>80374130
The M1 is a workstation you know
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>>80337658
I accidentally wrote ext4 to an ibook g4 while trying to netinstall debian 10 to it (only way to install current powerpc build, which IS maintained despite website saying otherwise)

Anyways, the ibook is kind of fucked now because it can't handle ext4, and every time the hard drive tries to read when i try to redo the debian install (writing partitions to disk) it freezes because ext4 apparently makes this thing fucking kill itself.

anyways, how do I zero out this things hard drive without crashing it first when a partition program inevitably tries to read the hard drive?
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>>80375059
accidentally is a strong word, i totally wrote ext4 on purpose, i just had no idea the poor shitbook couldn't handle it
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>>80375059
Reparation in different computor
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>>80375102
you mean, read and edit the hard drive on a different computer?

is that possible without removing it
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>>80375132
No just yank it out



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