Now that the dust has finally settled, can we agree that ARM is the future?
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>>80335560RISC-V is the future. But like ARM, both lack actual good hardware to make this a reality.
>>80335596Was derailing the hourly apple shill thread part of your plan?
>>80335596don't tell me what to do anon
>>80335560>introduced 35 years ago >the futurewe're gonna be stuck in 2007 forever aren't we?
>>80335654Don't worry, the cloud©™ will come to the rescue.
>>80335631I have one. I can confirm. This happens to me. But only in the "locked screen".
>>80335693Love how the world economic forum redefined poverty to some very specific number and concluded that there are fewer people in poverty than reality.
>>80335596Sneed is love.
>>80336031Makes you wonder who's really pulling their strings.
>>80335693>you will own nothingthis is communism>you will be happyoh never mind, this is much worse than communism
>>80335560At least my next work mbp won't burn my wrists.
>>80336220>you will own nothing>this is communismmeanwhile in the west>you don't own your hardware>you don't own your software>you don't own your music>you don't own your movies>you don't own your books>you don't own you house>you don't own your car>you don't store your personal data on your own server>you don't own your mail server>you don't own your money>your boss gets you by the balls>you will lose everything in a divorcemuch superior, such wowyes communism is trash but don't act like capitalism is any better, you're living a gloomy life just like anyone in a commie countryyou're NOT part of the winners and you never will
>>80336828>literally none of this is true
>>80336828>all i think about is america>let me spread nonsense
>>80336828Bitch please. Even the most poor in the US live exponentially wealthier lives than third-worlders in real communists country do. Ever tried to live on less than $20 a day (rent/food/bills/transportation/etc)?
>>80336828you WILL live in a "house" made out of foam and paperyou WILL not own anythingyou WILL be the perfect consumer and eat the artificially flavored and colored bugsand you WILL be happy
>>80336901>you don't own your hardwareyou're not allowed to repair your idevicesyou're not allowed to repair your teslayou're not allowedto repair your tvvoiding warranty is literally you voiding your contract, they can't sue you it would cost them too mmuch>you don't own your softwarewindows, macos, office, zoom, ios, android, tizen, tiktok, snapchat and on and on and oneveryone use proprietary software they own a licence at best or are tolerated on the service tied to the software>you don't own your musicspotify, deezer>you don't own your moviesnetflix, hulu, disney+, amazon prime>you don't own your booksebooks have drm>you don't own you houseloan>you don't own your carloan, leasing>you don't store your personal data on your own serverdropbox, drive>you don't own your mail servergmail, outlook>you don't own your moneyyour bank own your money, they're free to use in casino and lose it and there is nothing you can do about itsee greece situation for example, if your bank is bankrupt they can "steel" your money to pay their debt/salary>your boss gets you by the ballsYes.>you will lose everything in a divorceif you're a man you lose all the time, prove me wrong>>80336928same apply in most european countries, i'm from europe btw>>80336933>Bitch please. Even the most poor in the US live exponentially wealthier lives than third-worlders in real communists country do.precarity does not exist in your shithole? lmao, open your fucking eyes>>80336966there is a middle-ground you retard call communism which is in fact socialism which in fact can take thousands of different shapes to adapt to every fucking civilization murica includedyou have no reason to support your tyrants instead of your neighbors, you can live without them but once everyone in your neightborhood is eating mud and living in the street like in africa it's the elites who are depress and angry, they won't come and save you epic style, you will rot away with the rest
>>80337055>it's the elites who are depress and angryit's not
>>80337055this only applies to poorfags
>>80337055It does but it's largely avoidable. People try to live out lives they can never afford and end up maxing out their credit cards and missing the monthly installments of their car/house/apartment. Even then they're still living exponentially better lives than any severely malnourished Chinese farmer breathing in "you're probably gonna die in your 40s" level of smog and drinking poisoned water.
>>80337055>softwareLinux>music>buy from a service that lets you have mp3s or physical media>moviesHurr durr copyright bad>ebooksHur durr cppyright bad buy a physical book retard>houseDont be poor>carDont be poor>personal dataBuy a thumb drive>mail serverRun one>moneyBuy assets>bossLearn what words mean>divorceDint get divorced or dont get married
>>80335560OPmis actually right.In 5 years every shitty laptop on the planet will have this.
>>80335560I sure hope so. Bought the cheapo M1 Mini for shit and giggles, but it's faster than I could have ever anticipated and I'm still mostly using Intel software through Rosetta. Also no noise and low power usage.
>>80337201btw how bad are the performance regressions when running an entire x86 OS like windows 10 instead of using the rosetta 2 hack?
>>80337181>Linuxwell no shitI'm talking about probably around 99% ofthe population>Hurr durr copyright badunironically yes>Dont be poorI'm not and I'm not talking about me>Buy a thumb driveI self-host everything>Run oneI use protonmailit's not critical enough for me>Buy assetsno shit>Learn what words meanenglando hard>Dint get divorced or dont get marriedno shitagain, I'm not talking about me but people in general, a big enough part of every country in the west to be considered overwhelming majorityI believe people should own their stuff, like in a functional capitalist state... not hte massive shitshow we have everywhere in the planet where capitalism is a thing
>>80335560M1 and M1X are Intel/x86 killers and this absolutely tiggers gaymer fags to no end.
>>80337220Only retards run Windows on Macs. KYS
>>80337251Absolutely, dam these apple fags and their sub-30 FPS in games made 5 years ago.>>80337269So why do I constantly see macfags bootcamping windows 10 on their macs IRL. Theoretically could it be that 90% of all useful software is win32?
>>80335693Microsoft 365, Netflix, et. al, a nice start
>>80335560That's not a TALOS II Secure workstation, you fucking piece of shit.
>>80337288Soon both will be made obsolete by processing-in-memory architectures.
>>80337299M1 is comparable with 1060 which is what AAA game devs are targeting any way (median most popular GPU out there, and by a huge margin). It's not that bad.
>>80336563>My Macbook Pro M1 is running WoW (retail) at native resolution in quality 8/10. And it runs 62/70 degrees.>I don’t use addons, maybe that helps? I noticed that while charging it’s a bit hotter like 68/72 degrees.>It actually preforms better than my GTX 1660 (desktop).I don't believe them. Firstly playing without addons is fucktarded. Secondly 1660 is better then anything in an mbp chassis.
>>80337350>"Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is an action role-playing video game developed by Eidos Montréal and published by Square Enix's European subsidiary in August 2016 for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex:_Mankind_Divided
>>80337299That's some awful performance for a game released in 2000.
>>80337055HDD and SSD becoming more expensive (only 3 business make HDD), phone sales declining, processors declining...
>>80337381It's the last one made but still not being able to compete with a GTX 1050 considred a super poorfag GPU is still pretty embarrassing.
>>80335560>not RISC-V is the futuresneed
>>80337347>processing-in-memory architectures.On CPU is faster then in memory idk what you are on.
>>80337438Heard about the von Neumann bottleneck?
>>80337299What? The M1 is made for light laptops, I don’t why why Apple shoved it into the MacMini. The picture even says 7 core GPU MacBook Air.Once Apple makes a desktop version of M series chip it’s over for most GPUs.
>>80337578>Once Apple makes a desktop version of M series chip it’s over for most GPUs.lol k
>>80337340Nothing stops the NSA from backdooring POWER CPUs.
>>80335560Unless intel pulls some miracle and literally REVOLUTIONARY technology out of their ass.ARM is the future of all computing, anyone denying this is in denial and upset that it was Apple of all companies that had the courage to try it.>>80335631>OMG! FIRST GENERATION HARDWARE BEING MASS PRODUCED FOR THE FIRST TIME HAS SOME ISSUES! APPLE AND ARM IS OVER!KYS.
>>80335560Future for what? Mobile devices? It's already there.
>>80337909People not aware that even their peripherals are easy to hack by governments are hilarious.The NSA could hack into your fucking keyboard and stay there forever if they wanted.
>>80337936RISC was supposed to kill x86 back in the 90s but then this shitty CRT terminal architecture utterly outperformed all hyped RISC competitors. It's wise not to discount Intel after a few bad years.
>>80338004>a few bad yearsLmao, x86 has been stagnant for decades.In the last 5 years intel improved performance by 28%.In the last 5 years, Apple improved performance by 300%.Its fucking over.
>>80337350>M1 is comparable with 1060lmaoPlease tell me you don't believe this. The 1060 is well over 3 times faster.
>>80338123Now do a wattage comparison.Lets see how good the 1060 (which is just a GPU btw) stacks up against the M1 (which is a SOC that even has ram on it)
>>80338202You can compare all the watts you want, the fact is that no matter the power target the M1 won't touch a 4-year-old mid-range perf-wise. By that metric the M1 sucks compared to whatever a Casio clock uses. More on point, the 1060 uses a 16nm process and M1 5nm, and the 1060 uses <120W despite being pushed to its frequency limit instead of operating at a more efficient point. That Anandtech graph shows the M1 using 17W with the GPU alone (after removing idle power too). This is a bit wishy-washy, but let's say the M1 GPU arch could reach performance parity at 60W (it couldn't, but still), which would mean it's 2x as efficient as a 4 year old desktop GPU not optimized for power while being 2-3 fabrication process generations ahead.
>>80338498>You can compare all the watts you want, the fact is that no matter the power target the M1 won't touch a 4-year-old mid-range perf-wise.Copium.png>By that metric the M1 sucks compared to whatever a Casio clock uses.Lmao, no it doesn't.
>>80338595>CopiumWhat? Dude, it runs ancient games at 12 fucking FPS at 1080p. This shit chip is a literal toy, worse than even gaymer laptops from 5 years ago. The only ones coping are whomever expected it to be able to do 3D graphics to any capacity.
>>80338681>What? Dude, it runs ancient games at 12 fucking FPS at 1080p>lying on the internethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJzo3TNVOT0It literally runs TF2 over 3 layers of emulation at playable framerates.OVER3LAYERSOFEMULATIONON A CHIP WITHOUT A FUCKING FANON ITS FIRST GENERATIONC O P E
>>80337055>there is a middle-ground you retard call communism which is in fact socialism which in fact can take thousands of different shapes to adapt to every fucking civilization murica includedthere actually isn't. socialism is not a generic term, it's a discrete philosophy. go read a fucking book.
>>80338728This. The M1 is not even made for graphics, it’s made to be an efficient laptop chip consuming mind bogglingly small amounts of power for the performance it pumps out.With a better enclosure, say desktop or bigger heat sinks, and a desire to actually run games, this thing would smoke!Finally, games optimized for Metal run buttery smooth.
>>80335560Now that its american yeah
>>80337220Fake graph tripfag
>>80339928Nope, it's all legit. Apple is just praying you morons will take the gook bench bait and never question them ever again.
>>80340210>its legitTheres no ryzen 9 4800HS you moron
>>80340235Small typo doesn't nullify the results, every other place shows around ~2,000 R20 multi for the Apple M1.https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.503613.0.html
>>80340278>i cant type but trust my anti apple biased graphOk
>>80340280I didn't make the graph. Look the point is there's 1 inherent flaw of the apple diehard loyal boot licking appletards don't want you to know about the M1: x86 performance. That graph in particular represents rosetta 2 performance and anything that does play nice with that has to run through an entire x86 emulation of an OS only making the crippling performance regressions much much worse.Don't get me wrong I'm glad Apple made a decent assassination attempt on x86, hopefully this will mean $500 4800u laptops for everyone once the M1X comes out (assuming we've recovered from rona by then as well) but in the end it's going just going to be the macfag version of the Windows RT fiasco.
>>80340317>doesn't play nice*
>>80335560Apple can change to own ISA.People can do other RISC architecture.ARM is the future, is absolute nonsense.
I would take a Dell XPS 17 with AMD over an M1/X any day but Dell dragging their feet with that. Apple not making their MacBooks touch capable is also extremely gay. I know they don’t want to cannibalize iPad sales but fuck you running a mobile chip in there and you even allow iOS apps to be installed not having touch on there is beyond retarded
>>80340317You are not going to see 500 dollar 4800us ever. Pc manufacturers will ride the fact that people either want to run windows (or linux) and will keep the prices at what they are now. You would only see prices drop if there was a comparable PC with arm. Thats like saying a delicious vegan ice cream hit the stores now all dairy ice cream is half off to compete. Thats not how it works
>>80335560I said this year's ago and people laughed. ARM has so much potential there is literally no point in wasting any more time or resources in depreciated x86. Boomers stuck in the past with their loud energy hungry machines are slowing our progress
ARM is good for facebook machines and nothing else.
>>80342460Based logical analysis
>>80337055>huuuuuuuuur debt bad
>>80338728>it runs over 10 years old games designed to run on toasters>10FPS dipsWow, amazing value indeed.
>>80335560In 2016 softbank bought it. A Japanese holding company that somehow always fails to turn a profit and has run multiple companies into the ground.Japan want's to sell, UK holds some of control over arm and does not want to lose it. China does not want a US company in control of arm IP in the current political climate.The acquisition had more of a chance to go through when the Republicans were in charge, but the Democrats might still let it go ahead.Anti-competitive worries aside, Nvidia is far more capable of managing/improving ARM than Softbank is.
>>80335560No, see you in the next thread.
>>80336933>real communists country
>all apple products preloaded with iOS and macOS>blocks any lincuck distro from even booting with T2>shifts entire industry to ARM>ARM allows all PC OEMs to have a unique proprietary locked bootloader for each product they release>soon ARM stinkpads will come locked to winblows>every single ARM laptop will be a unique special snowflake like phones and need a custom bootloader exploit and distro built for it>736 arm laptops released each year mean 736 device specific root exploits, 736 special snowflake builds of the loonix kernel, and 736 custom builds of ubuntu>multiplied by 521 different distros that's like over a million different distros have to be specifically built to be arm compatible>freetards will be lucky to crack 10-20 device bootloaders a year>hobby loonix distros wiped out instantly because neckbeard neets cant just release 1 ISO for 23,768 laptops anymore>desktops and custom built devices completely extinct without economy of scale manufacturing when corporate purchases shift entirely to ARM>only major distros will survive on 2-3 stinkpad models and even then only years after they launch when people actually manage to root them>loonix market share tanks from 1% to 0.00001% like it is on android/lineage>loonix purged from all of technology within this decade>freetards all neck themselvesSay it with me now:THANKYOUBASEDAPPLE
>>80335654Back in 2007 MIPS was still competing with ARM. ARM had more than a few competitors in the embedded market... hadIf it's embedded and needs general purpose power beyond a simple microcontroller ARM is now the way to go.
>>80335560It is a better ISA for sure.
>>80335560How does this processor compare vs the 5950X with tuned memory?
>>80339262>there actually isn't. socialism is not a generic term, it's a discrete philosophy. go read a fucking book.lmao what? there is only one way to do socialism? then what the fuck is happening in europe?freaking smoothbrain, be angry at your parents for having children while they're brother and sister>>80343192beside the point, don't pay your debts and see what happens
>>80343925not at all, because it's shit.
>>80337347>>80337438>>80337530PIM is an interesting concept. I think it (may) succeed for super highly-tailored problem domains (*some* neural nets, DSP, etc.), but is otherwise a tough sell for more general-purpose workloads. There are two primary reasons for this:1. Compute logic and memory cells are traditionally fabricated on processes that are quite different. By pushing compute cores into the memory array itself, layout and fabrication tradeoffs must be made, resulting in both suboptimal memory and suboptimal compute.2. Many (most?) PIM architectures attempt to make up for 1. by keeping computations analog, using current summing or something of the sort, to avoid having to put bulky digital circuitry inside the PIM arrays. However, the miracle of digital logic (which is a much harder sell in PIM) is that it restores noise margins from point to point. With analog PIM, signal-to-noise ratio degrades until values become unreadable, which limits the size of the PIM array, when the point all along was to use huge in-memory arrays to amortize costs.
>>80343331Not a shill, but I decided to go full apple this year and it's been nice so far. It's a pretty locked down ecosystem for sure, but it's one that makes you feel much more productive.
>>80343323Hello CCP shill.
>>80335560We can all agree that you're a faggot.
>>80335560I would rather buy a Ryzen 7750G next year.
>>80344794pffft. Posting with my 7870 already today.
>>80344794I really wish AMD would stop being cowards and add HBM to their mobile APUs already. Using slow system ram as vRAM is heavily sandbagging their iGPUs. Intel tried eDRAM but it just wasn't enough even for low 720p settings in most gaymes.
>>80344438Because Apple has SOUL, unlike all of those self built wrecks of machines people are using. Some idiots always cry about the lack of upgradeability of Apple but they never mention the advantages of this strategy. It's simply that everything in your machine is fitting to the rest and you don't start to fuck around with obscure graphics cards and all kinds of shit you scrape from the corpses of other dead computers. They end up with Frankenstein computers which might look impressive in terms of their specs on paper but they are also as stable as a Jenga tower after the 20th brick got moved. It might be too far out there of a thought, but most users actually want to turn on their computer and then work with them, instead of pushing them to levels never seen before. Only to complain about everything going up in smoke a few days after posting: "Look here, MacFags, I got better specs than you but for half of the money, COPE", on a Vietnamese underwater Domino board drawing forum.Yeah awesome, now go and play your kids games and ask Mom for money to buy some delicious nuggies.
>>80345094This reads like a poorly scripted ad.
>>80344501Wut, why would a CCP shill be saying what I said? I think you might've misunderstood my reply.