>work at ISP>get email from CEO>last year was a great year for the company>we exceded revenue expectations by 40%>btw we're increasing everyones' bill this yearWhy is this allowed?
>>79688496They are a private company they can do whatever they want even to censor you or spy and take away your rights.
>>79688496did you get a raise though?
>>79688496>work at ISPI want to strangle you.
>>79689031Choke me daddy UwU
>>79689078Post tummy and feet.
>>79688496gotta break the last revenue bruh otherwise board chimps out and the ceo gets his bonus cut
>>79688496Resign in disgust
>>79688986We only get cost of living/inflation raises unless you work in enterprise sales.
>>79688496Capitalism sucks. Amerifats play $$$ for shit tier bandwidth because there is no competition
>>79689031Not all ISPs are Comcast or AT&T...Or Century LinkOr Google.Okay, I guess it really just depends on if OP is in the United States...
>>79689414>MonsantoWhy do people want to give up progress so hard? But yes, ISPs are a fucking monopoly.
>>79689466In USA, I mean.
>>79689414Lol, as late as 2017 we still had business customers in certain areas who were paying for "fractional T1 lines". It was like $300-400 too to get sub 1 megabit speeds, no SLA either. I remember during a meeting where we were discussing these customers a VP said those customers were getting a "good deal". The VP said back during the Clinton administration days fractional T1 lines were much more expensive so we're actually doing them a favor by only charging them $400.
>>79689534how much does it actually cost for the isp to run their shit? do they get charged proportionally to the amount of traffic?
>>79689666I think it depends on the type of T1 service. The T1 network I was referring to was installed when Bush Sr/Clinton were in office. The infrastructure was EOL in 2004 so the ISP isn't paying for support contracts. There's also no SLA, so support costs are covered by the normal salaries of the call center workers and field technicians. If they have to do maintenance they'll do it in the middle of the day even if it takes down your connection. If there's an area outage they'll "get around" to fixing it. I'm not in management but my understanding is we only converted the fractional T1 customers to full T1 customers due to pressure from the government. I think we used it as an example of how "we were committed to improving the internet access in rural communities" or some shit. That being said there are also modern T1 networks that aren't actually T1 networks. The ISP just gives the customer a converter with a T1 card but it's metro ethernet / fiber CWDM all the way through the ISP network.If the customer uses their T1 line for internet then we might see a negligible extra cost depending on the website or server the customer is trying to access. We sometimes have to pay money to send traffic to other ISPs, but T1 customers are at most only 1.5 meg of traffic. These peering links can see 500+ gigs of utilization every second. It does not actually cost any money to put traffic over links and infrastructure we own.
>>79689466>DRM seeds that give sterile produce>Progresschoose one and only one
>>79689031Some people need to work to survive, you can't just discriminate because they work at an ISP. If they didn't, someone else more desperate would be in there place. Have you considered that not everyone who works there is immoral and only those fags at the top who inflate the price for no reason? Anon might be a janitor or a technician or some shit, there's no need to be rude
>>79688496>work in the b2b department of the largest local electronics retailer>last year was amazing, growth of around 70% for our department>no pay increases>no new employees in our department even though we're drowning in workovertime pay is okay but it's getting annoying
>>79689666Other ISP anon. Transit traffic isn't really expensive and all the big traffic using guys (Netflix, google, akamai etc.) provide you with caching server you can deploy in your network or they like to peer with you. Most users are using < 1Mbit/s on average even if they have 1 Gbit/s connections. Because of that and to safe money you often have a shitload of 1 Gbit/s customers on a single 10Gbit/s uplink to your core. The cost is not what you have to pay for transit etc. the cost of more traffic is mostly that you have to extend all those links from the customers to the peering points.>>79689031Stop using the internet faggot.
>>79689414which was caused by... regulation and gov intervention
>>79688496Aww man, Kuro is pretty cute.
>>79690624which was lobbied for by... those corporations
>>79689466monsanto isnt about progress but making the most moneysterile produce sure is "progress", for their bank account
>>79688496>Why is this allowed?Because we let them.
>>79688496Because they have an effective monopoly and they can get away with it because corruption is legal in the US
>>79688496If a product is doing great then you increase its price until the market accepts it. If you don't understand this basic thing it's no surprise you are working in a cubicle at a fucking ISP company instead of making real money
Because long term profits are a nonexistent concept in the US and you're expected to maximize them in the short term at all costs. If your company explodes later, who cares lmao just sell.
>>79691402>Product doing great guys>Lets make it less attractive to customers now
>>79691421>>Product doing great guys>>Lets make it less attractive to customers nowAmazon has kept rising the cost of Prime and they're doing better than everNetflix has kept rising the cost of their subscription and they've done better than ever (although they fucked themselves in other ways that aren't related to their pricing)And I could keep going and going...Higher demand means higher price most of the time, this is a basic strategy and if you don't get it you'll never move past wageslaving
>>79691421What are your other options? Tether to your phone?
>>79688496who the h*ck gave you permission to post my wife?
>>79689414>Capitalism sucksDefine capitalism. You're probably referring to corporatism.
>>79691554All capitalism becomes corporatism without exception.
>>79689666>how much does it actually cost for the isp to run their shitMost of the expense in an ISP comes from paying to physically run fiber/cables, and paying wages for techs to go out and handle customers.You can end up costing the ISP money if you hammer your connection hard enough that they have to upgrade the link to local node. Transit and peering costs are small, but the more customers you have, the more transit/peering/long haul bandwidth you require.
>>79691561If lack of competition is the problem, what non-capitalist system do you propose as a better solution?
>>79691561all communism becomes corrupted within a generation due to corporatism without exception. somebody has to produce that there value for the society, and brainwashed red guards aren't gonna be able to do it
>>79689911>It does not actually cost any money to put traffic over links and infrastructure we own.that's not what the customer is paying for though. they're paying for it to be reliable and work. they just don't know any better that they are getting a shit deal from your particular company
>>79691539I just came inside your wife. Gomen.
They aren't a utility so pay up cuck.
>>79691685she's literally on my bed right now, so you didn't. take your meds fren
>>79689414True. The only thing worse than capitalism is communism
>>79690142>Most users are using < 1Mbit/sThey must hate me, I'm using well beyond that all the time!
>>79688496It's allowed because the majority of american customers have no choice in their ISP. Also they bribe politicians to get millions in subsidies and tax breaks and to shut out competition.
>>79688496because there is no competition. privatize profits, socialize costs. thank god Ajit Pai is out in the next few days
ISPs are a natural monopoly and should be regulated as such, is why. they can keep increasing prices because people will pay whatever it takes for their internet access and have almost no other choice. inb4 starlink - no regulate the market or nationalize it
>>79691539hey joe, which anime is your wife from, again?
>>79688995correct.all companies will continue to try to fuck you more and more because they need to have constant growth, which isn't sustainable unless you just do everything you can to fuck the customer. you get to spend some small fraction of your new profits paying bribes to politicians or paying off the tiny fines they impose on you.
>>79691539how did you get this font my man? heckin cute
>>79691554you can't make fun of "it's not real gommunism" or say "all gommunist states become authoritarian nightmares" and then turn around and go "uhhh it's not real capitalism" or pretend like all capitalism doesn't always trend towards this bullshit due to its inherent nature.
>>79690054If bug resistant crops were fertile, they could rapidly become invasive species.Since we don't know him bad it would get its hard to say how bad it is that Monsanto does that (it's certainly some amount of bad).
>>79688496start your own business
>>79689453Implying in europe they don't raise the prices every fucking year because jewing.
>>79689374Jesus that's grimdark
>>79688496Fuck capitalism, this wouldn't happen in a socialist country.
>>79689414You know the cable monopolies were created by the government, right?And what do Nike, Walmart, etc. have to do with this? A sneaky attempt to muddy the waters?
>>79697260>>79697276nice fuckup, retard
>>79696777You can. It's really simple:More capitalist policies Higher standards of livingMore communist policies Lower standards of living
>>79688552so oppression and tyranny is fine as long as its done by a monopolistic corporation and not the government?
>>79697292>no rebuttal so he seethes and whines like a petulant child throwing a tantrum insteadyour brain on communism
>>79697310I mean, sure, you can say anything if you're willing to look like a retard.>>79697317>no rebuttal to my shitty edit someone else made >woah look it's a list of things that happen because the corporations all bribe government officials
>>79697227Correct, in a socialist country you don't get internet at all
>>79697162They don't desu because there's so much competition they cannot afford to do it. I live in a town with 500K people and there's like 20 ISP companies here. I pay like 20 euro/month for a 1Gb/s fiber, shitty, expensive internet is not a problem in Europe.
>work at [redacted]>comfyyou guys should get [redacted] jobs too
>>79697332>...so let's make the government bigger and more powerful!good job, you tremendous retard!
>>79697276>the companies that fuck you the hardest also try the hardest to bypass all thesemakes ya think
>>79691660>expecting reliability from an ISP
>>79697332It's true. Sorry that makes you seethe.You must be experiencing some serious cognitive dissonance right now. Unpleasant, isn't it?
>>79697341I'm not america/jewish citizen i can't work for the NSA :(
>>79697354>woah dude what if we just lived in a corporate fiefdom and let them rape us directly instead of bribing the gubbermint first>lefties all want to ban legalized bribes, reform campaign finance laws and overturn things like citizens united>all of those things are put in place and defended by either right-wing republicans or soulless still-fairly-right-wing-but-we-say-we-like-gay-people-sometimes neolibshmmmm>>79697385>reddit spacing, talks like a redditor, tries to argue in shitty pictures other people made that don't prove the point he thinks they're provingkeep projecting
>>79688496Because if you're American their customers have no alternative, so they pump it up as high as they can without people outright giving up on internet connectivity.
>>79697414>dude look at some graphs the heritage foundation (lmao) made where all of the graphics have an axis called "economic freedom" based on whatever they feel like pulling out of their assthis is somehow becoming even less convincing then the previous attempts
>>79697414>heritage.org>Economic FreedomHonestly, who looks at a graph where all the axis are based on Freedom Units (TM) and goes "damn this is really compelling stuff, gotta save this for the next time someone says something I don't like!"
>>79697426>can't refute the data>y-you're a redditor!stupid commie faggot
>>79697505>no argumentseethe harder you dumb commiehttps://www.heritage.org/index/pdf/2019/book/methodology.pdf
>>79696093oreimo>>79696743it's the default for mpc-hc fren
>>79697472>can't be bothered to look up what it meansNo wonder communists are such stupid, lazy cunts >>79697531
>>79697355>tries to bypass subsidiesholy kek
>>79697456Anyone ITT saying otherwise is a retard. You can cry about COMMIES all you want because your retard brain thinks those are the only two options, but this is always how it's going to end up in the current system. It's a free* market and they're free to bribe politicians so they can have local monopolies and lax regulation, which means they can fuck you in the ass as much as they want and you can't do anything because there's no alternatives and not having internet access in [current year] means basically becoming a homeless schizo.
>>79697472>>79697505>i-it's not a communist organization so the data is f-f-fake! F-FAKE!!!!1So this is the famous communist brain
>>79697426fact: socialist countries have less freedom and shittier standards of livingall your mental gymnastics won't get you out of that basic fact
>>79697578>post data from literally any lefty organization and rightoids do the same thing verbatimwoah
>>79697566>It's a free* marketIt's literally not. Cable is one of the most regulated industries.
>>79697616You're still claiming the data is fake? Wew.
>>79697593>fact>source: dude lol trust me a bunch of rich jews at the heritage foundation have been telling me this since birth and I believed it
>>79697631You can look at the data yourself, retardThe absolute mental gymnastics socialists put themselves through to deny reality
>>79697631you can see it with your own eyes if you've ever travelled to a commie "paradise", zoom-zoom even despite the government's attempt to hide the poverty and destitution from tourists
>>79697650I've posted similar dumps on /pol/ of measures of quality of life and they all just >source.org LMAO FAGGOT so I really fail to see why it's worth doing anything other than the same thing in response.
>>79697718>irrelevant story>still no rebuttal
>>79697718I already gave you the source, data, and methodology, you stupid retard.Not my fault you're a mongoloid who can't read any of those.
>>79688496Are you from the USA? Here where I work finances are transparent even to the janitor. Salary has a fixed glass ceiling and you get bonuses depending on things like performance, overtime and changes in company revenue. Of course this depends on where you're the ladder, the higher the bigger the bonus. Last month my bonuses made up more than half of my salary for example.
>>79697355Look up regulatory capture and the moat strategy
>>79697734Not irrelevant and nothing to rebut, keep crying because I didn't say you were smart after spamming graphs from a right-wing propaganda site that you don't even understand. Also if you're going to keep responding twice to pretend you're multiple people then you shouldn't keep spacing out all of your replies the same amount every time.
>>79696777All power structures that allow excessive concentration of power turn life into a depressing unfun difficult mess for those not in power. Doesn't much matter where or how the power ended up congregating.
>muh data>muh graphs>muh statisticshere's the only graph i need to tell me communism is right#1 china#2 who gives a fuck#...#999 america#9999 taiwan provincecope harder as the worlds largest country rules everything
>>79697200I work for a 3rd party that contracts with ISP. We don't even get the col raises. Lol
>>79697414Not even /pol/ is stupid enough to cite the Heritage Foundation.>>79697778I don't think he was referring to the salary, but the bills of their customers. But yes, most Americans believe in the retarded idea that you shouldn't talk about your salary to your coworkers and they try to keep all that covered up to prevent their workers from realizing they're getting fucked and organizing. I used to write my salary on the whiteboard in my desk and my direct manager erased it behind my back multiple times because the other managers were getting upset by this and asked him to do something about it.>>79697811based xi poster
>>79697811en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform>The Communist Party authorities carried out the market reforms in two stages. The first stage, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, involved the de-collectivization of agriculture, the opening up of the country to foreign investment, and permission for entrepreneurs to start businesses. However, a large percentage of industries remained state-owned. The second stage of reform, in the late 1980s and 1990s, involved the privatization and contracting out of much state-owned industry. The 1985 lifting of price controls was a major reform, and protectionist policies and regulations soon followed, although state monopolies in sectors such as banking and petroleum remained. In 2001, China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO). The private sector grew remarkably, accounting for as much as 70 percent of China's gross domestic product by 2005. From 1978 until 2013, unprecedented growth occurred, with the economy increasing by 9.5% a year.Hmm...
>>79697910I make 13.50 contract working for ISP. It is miserable.
How do communists cope with this simple experiment that completely obliterates their retarded ideology? >In December 1978, eighteen of the local farmers, led by Yen Jingchang, met in the largest house in the village. They agreed to break the law at the time by signing a secret agreement to divide the land, a local People's Commune, into family plots. Each plot was to be worked by an individual family who would turn over some of what they grew to the government and the collective whilst at the same time agreeing that they could keep the surplus for themselves. The villagers also agreed that should one of them be caught and sentenced to death that the other villagers would raise their children until they were eighteen years old. At the time, the villagers were worried that another famine might strike the village after a particularly bad harvest and more people might die of hunger. >After this secret capitalist reform, Xiaogang village produced a harvest that was larger than the previous five years combined. Per capita income in the village increase from 22 yuan to 400 yuan with grain output increasing to 90,000 kg in 1979. This attracted significant attention from surrounding villages and before long the government in Beijing had found out. The villagers were fortunate in that at the time China had just changed leadership after Mao Zedong had died. The new leadership under Deng Xiaoping was looking for ways to reform China's economy and the discovery of Xiaogang's innovation was held up as a model to other villages across the country. This led to the abandonment of collectivised farming across China and a large increase in agricultural production. The secret signing of the contract in Xiaogang is widely regarded as the beginning of the period of rapid economic growth and industrialisation that mainland China has experienced in the thirty years since.
>>79697803>>79697811>>79697910>what is East Berlin vs West Berlin>what is East Germany vs West Germany>what is North Korea vs South Korea>what is pre-reform Shenzhen vs Hong Kong>what is pre-reform Shenzhen vs post-reform Shenzhen>what is Xiaogang Village vs every other villageHow long will you keep falling for the socialism meme? It's beyond embarrassing at this point.Stop making excuses, take your head out of your ass, and smell reality for once. Socialism has been BTFO by capitalism in every single scenario that comes close to a controlled experiment. Why? Because it's an ideology for retards.
>>79697811>I don't care about data>I don't care about graphs>I don't care about statisticsYes, this is your brain on communism.
>>79697910>M-MUH HERITAGE FOUNDATION!!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus christ you are deranged. When are you going to address the data?
>>79697982>>79698002>>79698016>>79698029>I'm going to spam my shitty cope once per minute as I wait on the timer and pretend like I'm different people!Unironically take your meds.
>>79697910>>79697803the data comes from a number of sources, including CARICOM, the EU, the OECD, the IMF, OPEC, and WTO>inb4 "t-they're all fake!"
>>79697803>>79698064>samefagger calling someone else a samefaggeroh the ironing
>suggest that capitalism as an ideology is imperfect>americans become literal propaganda spouting NPCskek, now i know why internet leftists exist
>>79697803>t-the data is propaganda!
>>79698094>kek, now i know why internet leftists existBecause they're resentful failures IRL and harbor sad power fantasies
What the fuck is going on in this thread.
>>79698076>>79698086>>79698095>samefagger calling someone else a samefagger>projecting this hard>>79698094The cope from them genuinely does get insufferable, I'm not even a communist and they lose their shit whenever you point out how shitty capitalism often becomes and start screeching about venezuela and north korea.
>>79697338You don't live in Spain, literally Movistar, Orange, Masmovil and Vodafone all increase the prices every year, most likely because every fucking year they spend millions on the fucking furbol and because every year it's more expensive, what do they do? Pass the increment to the users with a shit-ass speed increase or data plan increase.Literally I'm battling with movistar shitty web to receive my 200mb speed increase because they had to justify the price increase, 71€/m for 300mb, 2 phones, one with unlimited data and the other with 5gb and paid calls, and cable TV that's included in the every plan.
Are there unironically socialists on /g/ who think socialist countries are better off?
>>79698120bunkercels pouring in from bunkerlandit's been going on for months now
>>79698144>what is nuanceI'd rather live in the West than China, but I'd also rather live in Cuba than almost every third world country, 95% of which are capitalist.
>>79698144Maybe.Are there people who think a lot of capitalist countries (especially the US) are extremely flawed without being socialists/communists? Yes.Are there retarded /pol/acks that exclusively communicate in wojaks who spam threads with their awful meme folder about gommunism the second anyone criticizes capitalism? Definitely yes.
>>79698120dunning-kruger election tourists from /pol/ fighting their usual imaginary online culture war
>>79698178>I'd also rather live in CubaWhy do you think Cubans risk their lives trying to escape Cuba?
>>79698184Both extremes are retarded. Communism is fucking retarded.Hyper capitalism (a.k.a U.S. capitalism) is fucking retarded.Capitalism is human nature.
>>79698200For the same reason North African migrants are constantly trying to enter Europe: they're the trash their own countrymen don't want.
>>79697227>hey i'm retarded, and how are you?
>>79698206But if you suggest heavily-regulated capitalism with a strong safety net and higher taxes then this is immediately called communism (lol) and all discussion immediately devolves into shitflinging.
>>79698206>Hyper capitalism (a.k.a U.S. capitalism) is fucking retarded.That's not what the data says. The most capitalist polities (Singapore, Hong Kong, Switzerland, New Zealand, etc.) are very well off.The U.S. is far from being the most capitalist country, and its problems largely stem from that.
>>79698215>they're the trash their own countrymen don't want.But their own countrymen want to escape too.
>>79698247Nah the data says you're a retarded bootlicking cuck who is every but as stupid as the average communist.
>>79697967>>The Communist Party authorities carried out the market reforms in two stages. The first stage, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, involved the de-collectivization of agriculture, the opening up of the country to foreign investment, and permission for entrepreneurs to start businesses. However, a large percentage of industries remained state-owned. The second stage of reform, in the late 1980s and 1990s, involved the privatization and contracting out of much state-owned industry. The 1985 lifting of price controls was a major reform, and protectionist policies and regulations soon followed, although state monopolies in sectors such as banking and petroleum remained. In 2001, China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO). The private sector grew remarkably, accounting for as much as 70 percent of China's gross domestic product by 2005. From 1978 until 2013, unprecedented growth occurred, with the economy increasing by 9.5% a year.the growth only occured because they are the worlds factory. china is not a country, per se, but a sweatshop for the world with more than half of the population living on less than $125 USD per year in abject poverty.
>>79698120This is what happens every time someone has cause to bitch about money that isn't somewhere that it probably should be or appears to be somewhere it shouldn't on /g/.Literally every time. How bout you all shut up and go murder someone, you know you want to.
>>79698200Because Castro took their slaves and the money they made from owning slaves.
>>79698262>bootlickingWhy do commies use that? They are the epidemy of what that is...
>>79698262>you're a retarded bootlicking cuck
>>79698283>>79698311You paranoiacs think about commies as much as you fantasize about trannies. "N-no, the US is actually not capitalist enough!" is an embarrassing thing to say and think and it's not socialism/communism to mock someone for this stupid belief. Keep up your strawmen if they make you feel safe, though.>>79698296>don't post anything of substance>cry about someone not responding with substance
>>79698257Proof? Even Cubans critical of government consider the people floating in on doors to be less than human.
>>79698327>the US is actually not capitalist enough!Correct.
>>79698327Your first sentence was literally a strawman. Oh, fuck... you ARE really retarded.
>>79698364Singapore has huge government intervention in the economy, retard.
>>79698327>>don't post anything of substanceI did post the substance, you fucking idiot. Not my fault you're incapable of reading the thread.
>>79698283>>79698296>>79698311>>79698317>post something that isn't far right nonsense>accused of being communist>get 4 substance-less replies with images spaced one minute apartWeird how this keeps happening. Are you literally incapable of doing anything other than spamming shitty images you found on boomer facebook?
>>79698380That's not what the data says.
>>79698377Not a strawman, just a fact. If I had a dollar for every time I've been accused of being a commie despite being a capitalist because I didn't say we should abolish all taxes I'd be able to buy this site from gookmoot. Consider suicide.
>>79698374>r-real capitalism has never been tried!okay retard
>>79698432>"US isn't capitalist enough">not far right economicsPlease smash your router and take the time to learn how to do literally ANYTHING other than misuse outdated reddit memes.
>>79698374>>79698409You think it's not what the data says because you don't understand what the data means.
>>79698475>you don't understand what the data meansWhat do you think it means?
>>79688552>they can do whatever they wantthey can do whatever they're allowed to dogamers rise up
>>79698485>a literal nazi presents: ms paint strawmen: the webcomicWhatever happened to Ben Garrison? His shit was at least well-drawn and sometimes funny.
>>79698459>capitalism>far right economics
>>79688995Communism, Socialism, Feudalism, Syndicalism.
>>79698502It just means ease of doing business. If you think it implies how "free" the market is, your ideology is simply in conflict with reality.Capitalism is fine, laissez-faire capitalism is a farce.
>>79698561>a literal nazi
>>79698561I'm pretty sure stonetoss is a fascist psychopath, but it's genuinely hard to find a more well-made webcomic
>>79698634>psychopathWhat gives you that impression?
>>79698657read glad we're not arguing about the fascist part
>>79698667Why are you dodging the question?
>>79698625see >>79698317Singapore is #2 on the Economic Freedom Index.Sorry to burst your bubble, friend.
>>79698667what's so problematic about third position?
>>79688552>>79689126>>79697311It would be ok, except they were also paid billions in tax payer money so its a government enforced monopoly
>>79689414There is no competition since the government pays these companies billions, of your money. Its a government enforced monopoly
>>79688496www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/>Don't Blame Big Cable. It's Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition>While popular arguments focus on supposed "monopolists" such as big cable companies, it's government that's really to blame. Companies can make life harder for their competitors, but strangling the competition takes government.>Broadband policy discussions usually revolve around the U.S. government’s Federal Communications Commission (FCC), yet it’s really our local governments and public utilities that impose the most significant barriers to entry.>Game of Kickbacks>Deploying broadband infrastructure isn’t as simple as merely laying wires underground: that’s the easy part. The hard part – and the reason it often doesn't happen – is the pre-deployment barriers, which local governments and public utilities make unnecessarily expensive and difficult.>Before building out new networks, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) must negotiate with local governments for access to publicly owned "rights of way" so they can place their wires above and below both public and private property. ISPs also need "pole attachment” contracts with public utilities so they can rent space on utility poles for above-ground wires, or in ducts and conduits for wires laid underground.>The problem? Local governments and their public utilities charge ISPs far more than these things actually cost. For example, rights of way and pole attachments fees can double the cost of network construction.
>>79698743>So the real bottleneck isn’t incumbent providers of broadband, but incumbent providers of rights-of-way. These incumbents – the real monopolists – also have the final say on whether an ISP can build a network. They determine what hoops an ISP must jump through to get approval.>This reduces the number of potential competitors who can profitably deploy service – such as AT&T’s U-Verse, Google Fiber, and Verizon FiOS. The lack of competition makes it easier for local governments and utilities to charge more for rights of way and pole attachments.>It’s a vicious circle. And it’s essentially a system of forced kickbacks. Other kickbacks arguably include municipal requirements for ISPs such as building out service where it isn't demanded, donating equipment, and delivering free broadband to government buildings.
why do you care? you work for them not use them >>79689374now this is just bullshit
blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2014/02/19/whos-afraid-of-comcast/>Who’s afraid of Comcast?>Finally, purge from your bile ducts the seething hatred you hold for Comcast and Time Warner Cable, those hurtful memories of rising bills, rotten service, and phone-tree purgatory and allow me to persuade you that we’re having the wrong telecom argument when we quarrel about mergers and acquisitions. Instead of blocking mergers or beating concessions out of the telecom giants, let’s give them the treatment they really fear: Policies that encourage the entry of competitors, which are the bane of every monopolist.>If you hate your cable television company — to simplify a half-century of history — blame it on the government. In the founding days of the industry, local municipalities mistakenly insisted that cable TV was a “natural monopoly” that must be regulated like telephone service. In nearly every case, the selection of a cable operator was a political one, with the most flattering supplicant winning the right from city councils to string wire on utility poles and cross right-of-ways to sell cable service. The municipalities collected franchise fees from the cable companies, shook them down for sweeteners like municipal channels and public access studios, regulated their rates, and required the operators to wire all if not most of their jurisdiction.>Of course, cable TV wasn’t a natural monopoly but a government-made one. By the time Congress and the courts reduced the power of the municipalities to regulate cable in the 1980s and the 1990s, the die was cast. Sure, new cable operators could apply to compete, but they still had to run the regulatory maze and face well-entrenched government-made monopolists. In many cases, the new entrants have been companies that already provide the area with telephone service and know how to play the regulatory game, such as Verizon (Fios) and AT and T (U-Verse).
>>79698687Note the quotes: the Economic Freedom Index is irrelevant to what the average right wing American (i.e. Austrian school cultists) considers a free market. Keep in mind that burgers think Canada is a socialist country, despite leafs having a freer market objectively.
>>79698780>By legislating local cable monopolies, the municipalities inadvertently helped create national oligopolies. Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Cablevision and the other large cable firms grew to market dominance by purchasing existing franchises, market by market. Such a quick roll-up would not have been possible if regulators had pursued policies easing the way for new entrants. The unfettered growth created huge valuations. Indeed cable companies currently sell for $4,000 to $5,000 per subscriber (the Time Warner Cable deal is just under that). That’s right Comcast customer, your cable TV and Internet subscription is worth at least $4,000 to them! But just as New York City taxi-cab medallions could not sell for $1 million if new cabs could freely enter the market, cable TV companies would not sell for such premiums if they were competing in a freer market. New entrants would progressively batter their power to price. In the cable industry, the regulatory scheme has been captured by the regulated, which is an old story.
>>79698780>>79698762>>79698743Okay, how about a compromise? Fuck government overreach, and fuck big corporations taking advantage of it.
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2268646>Barriers to Entry and Competitive Behavior: Evidence from Reforms of Cable Franchising Regulations>Between 2005 and 2008, 19 of the 50 states of the U.S. reformed the franchising process for cable television, significantly easing entry into local markets. Using a difference-in-differences approach that exploits the staggered introduction of reforms, we find that prices for “Basic” service declined systematically by about 5.5 to 6.8 percent following the reforms, but we find no statistically significant effect on average price for the more popular “Expanded Basic” service. We also find that the reforms led to increased actual entry in reformed states, by about 11.6% relative to non reformed states. Our analysis shows that the decline in price for “Basic” service holds for markets that did not experience actual entry, consistent with limit pricing by incumbents. To control for potential state-level shocks correlated with the reforms, we undertake a sample-split test examining changes in local markets which faced a greater threat of entry (because they were close to a prominent second entrant); we find larger declines in prices, for both “Basic” and “Expanded Basic” services in these markets. Our results are consistent with limit pricing models that predict incumbents respond to increased threat of entry, and suggest that the reforms facilitated entry and modestly benefited consumers in reformed states.
>>79698743>>79698762>bribe local governments to help you keep your local monopoly>blame local governments when people get mad at youthe only issue with the gubbermint is how easy and accepted it is for legalized bribery to take place
>>79698687>SingaporeCCP satellite state.
>>79688496If you work at the ISP, then are you basically immune to getting caught for piracy? Normally the ISP sends you an email saying to stop, but if you are the ISP, no one can stop you right?
>>79696843except they're not bug resistant, they're pesticide resistant
>>79698247>The U.S. is far from being the most capitalist country, and its problems largely stem from that.Then why does it have the wolds strongest economy and is the sole super power of the world? I always hear everyone and their mother shitting on the U.S making it seem like its south africa but at the end of the day it consistently remains the most powerful country.By all the complaints it'd imagine Germany or Switzerland would rule the world but all Germany rules is the EU's favor.
>>79698416>>79698416It has. In the tribal days.
>>79688496Stop forwarding copyright letters to me. Thanks.
>>79688496Not enough regulation.
>>79698705This is really good bait.>>79690691Monsanto's crops are not bug resistent, they are not entirely sterile as they can still cross-pollunate, their secret formula has no independent verification for common worries that they claim are not worries, they treat seeds like IP, and they closed product ecosystem shouldn't be confused with progress any more than Mac hardware/Mac OS integration and interplay is progress. It's a trick to get people to favor your product.
>>79698133Spain is just..you know anon don't make me say it okay.
>>79688995Capitalism is a bit like a free to play game that works well to start with, everything is fun, new, cool, but the longer is goes the more constricted it becomes, pushing more and more toward the most efficient way possible to pain you into parting with your money. It becomes less about making anyone happy and only about determining min/max tolerances. Late stage capitalism is the notion that a company will offer the lowest quality product that a consumer will tolerate, for the highest price possible that they will tolerate, while at the same time paying the majority of their employees the lowest wage they will tolerate, demanding the most work they will tolerate.
>>79700868>This is really good bait.It's not bait. It's true.
>>79701815>Late stage capitalismGo back
>>79702057>lolbert calling others redditoids
>>79702057Nice way to avoid the actual substance of the post. How is it inaccurate?
>>79688995Capitalism without free marketIf you want to see how capitalism works for ISPs without state enforced monopolies, look at Europe. Everything is cheap as fuck, and companies have to actually fight for clients because they can't count on law to remove competition. While in the "land of free" competition like google fiber is killed in an instant because of the law that favours the monopolies.
>>79702076>that picSo i guess they are never going to be happy, even if the capitalism/feudalism improved their live to so much higher level than greek's aristocracy. Are they just jealous/lazy?
>>79702134Yurop has stronger economic regulation, which results in a weaker and less efficient economy according to laissez-faire orthodoxy.The US is in a weird conundrum where it wants to be a laissez-faire utopia, but such policies backfire hard after the initial economic boom, so it ended up with economic regulation anyway as damage control, but far more convoluted and slipshod because it wasn't done when it needed to be done.
>>79702215Yes it has stronger regulations when it comes to privacy or net neutrality etc, but it doesn't have much regulations that would be an obstacle for new players to join.Well I don't know the details, but new ISP and similar companies appear every now and then, and then i read about various struggles that google fiber had.
>>79702203You're missing the point, anon, nothing is above criticism.
>>79702257It's more about general competition law. Suing for anti-competitive business practices in the US is extremely hard unless your business is so massive that congressmen are afraid of your influence.
>>79702215>government-granted monopolies are laissez-faireBased redditard. Read>>79698743>>79698762>>79698780>>79698791>>79698800
>>79701705Cool it with the antisemitism pal
>>79688496Because human beings aren't as important as the economy. Under a communist system, everyone is fucked in the ass to support the economy. Under a capitalist system, everyone is still fucked in the ass to support the economy. If only we listened to Teddy Roosevelt. Enterprise should be as free as possible as long as it serves to create a better life for its citizens.
>>79688552usa? there's laws defending employees in the rest of the world
>>79697162>tfw paying 29 €/mo for 500mbps for almost a decade now...
>>79702595When the national government refuses to legislate something, jurisdiction falls through to lower levels, and preventing corruption at the local level across the entire country is ridiculously unfeasible. If the feds just dealt with it themselves to begin with, we would have stronger regulation with LESS laws than the clusterfuck we put up with now.A free market in the American sense is antithetical to a thriving and efficient capitalist economy.
>>79703076The patchwork mess in the US is how so much corruption and abuse continues. Armies of lawyers finding all the places where things overlap, cancel out, leave loopholes, can be ignored, bribed away, etc. You have Democrats wanting to over-legislate everything, and Republicans who always say "let them handle it locally." The result is this perverse and confusing case of being simultaneously over and under legislated. Better, sleeker, simpler top-down laws work best, protect everyone, and, because of national scrutiny, tend to be slightly less prone to trampling people.
>>79703076>A free market in the American sense is antithetical to a thriving and efficient capitalist economy.The American Free Market is really just free when it's most profitable, regulated when that is more profitable, with little consideration for what is best for everyone.
>>79702643based. ancoms are gay
>>79703274>Better, sleeker, simpler top-down laws work best, protect everyone, and, because of national scrutiny, tend to be slightly less prone to trampling people.No shit. But actually selling this to Americans is impossible because they either have blind faith in existing regulation, or think it's BIG GUBBERMINT when the federal government does literally anything.
>>79688496so you can exceed revenue expectations again
>>79701705>bigotryholy yikers, imagine thinking that's a valid social issue in 2021
>>79688552yaaaassssss slay queen!!
>>79702027>>79702041>>79702660>>79703517Oof did I strike a nerve?
>>79702215>>79702134>They still think Europe is one countryThe only reason some European countries aren't bankrupt is because they are being held up by other European countries. Nordic countries are the only ones with a sensible economic policy
>>79697311You said monopolistic corporation twice.
>>79690668Let me explain it in a way your atrophied leftiod brain will understand: corporations are mass shooters and the government is the gun.
>>79698485This comic would be way, way more accurate if the shirts/flags were reversed.
>>79689126>>79688552The entire issue is that the government passes legislation that kills competition allowing this in the first place
>>79697337Best Korea solved their light pollution problem unlike the surrounding countries.
>>79706757Monopolization is the end goal of capitalism, government is the only thing that stops it.
>>79706447So we need more psychological help for corporations?
>>79698178>95% of which are capitalist.This is what leftists actually believe.
>>79690089You know all that extra cash is going straight to the managment's pockets, those pigs
>>79698374Right it's just a tl;dr for left
>>79691554>corporatismSo a strong state mediating the conflict between the bourgeois and proletariat?Pretty much only China is like that.
>>79707088>Monopolization is the end goal of capitalismSomeone has played too many board games.>government is the only thing that stops it.Nope. They are the ones that empower it. Hell the biggest monopoly company was the east india company. They had backing by the UK Government. There's also the cabals of ISP's in the US which actively lobby for government intervention because it kills small competition.
>>79688995Capitalism bad because uhh george floyd tranny sex iphone expensive
>>79708375If they want neomaoism so badly, americans can starve for all I care
>>79707703>too many board gamesFun fact: what would become monopoly was created as criticism of capitalism.
>>79708883Hence why I said it. T'was made by a georgist who thought that property ownership like that was wrong. It's a pretty shit critique however.
>>79708910Were they wrong though?
>>79702609They think they can just introduce /pol/ to leftists ideas. Lmao.
>>79702575>>79702643How do ancoms even want to enforce redistribution of goods if there is no state? What will prevent people from just protecting their own property and exchanging it on mutually agreed terms, so essentially reducing to ancap/anegoism.
>>79710171by robbing and murdering each other
>>79688496Gotta have those sicc YoY gainz, dude.
>>79710171Workers just kick out owners and, if business is big enough, elect managers.
>>79710382Any working examples? Plenty of failures from Spain to cuba and Russia.
>>79710437You mean those that had to defend themselfs from capitalist interventions?
>>79710469Ah is that the cope now?>My system is shit that everyone just fights each other and then the smarter guys come in and clean up.
>>79688496Get yourself hired by the competition
>>79710469If your system is so good why does it keep getting btfo by reality? Doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
>>79710481Nice job CIA.>>79710539If GNU/Linux is so good, why it's keep getting btfo by windows?
>>79710567>Nice job CIA.Cope.>If GNU/Linux is so good, why it's keep getting btfo by windows?That would be a good analogy if linux starved a bunch of people to death and then fell apart. Instead it's slowly gaining market share and importance.
>>79710586>starved a bunch of people to death>implying capitalism haven't starved more
>>79710615Literally overseen the greatest boom in productive capacity the world over. People starve every day but they starve more rapidly under communism while more efficient food production happens in capitalism.
>>79710625>greatest boom in productive capacity That's industrial revolution, not capitalism.
>>79710644Yeah it was just a coincidence it started in a capitalist nation. Also while were on it why are all these advanced farming techniques like haber bosch invented in capitalist societies?
>>79710657Because there were less concentration of power compared to feudalism.
>>79710682And yet communist nations produce nothing but starvation and death camps.
>>79710688>dumb kids didn't learn that communism isn't a fucking way of government and that all the "problem" "communist" nations were a result of their fucking WAY OF GODDAMN GOVERNMENT which is generally authoritarian bullshitThe 50s and the Red Scare was forever ago and the goddamn boomers who lived through it are still teaching that garbage to you kids. Pathetic.
>>79702203For thousands of years, people just parroting>King badbecause they only recognize faults and cast blame instead of realizing the benefits and goods.No he's a wealthy king, he must be evil and he must have gotten there by exploiting ME.The idea of a mutually beneficial society where the majority of people aren't trying to manipulate each other, impossible?!
>>79710702>get sick>go into debt and die
>>79698933At no point did OP claim that the US was a third world country. It's not the most capitalist which is true and that it has issues caused by a lack of capitalism this is also true. America was the most capitalist nation until the first half of the 20th century. With the creation of the federal reserve in the 1910's and the new deal in the 40's. Their position of world hegemon stems from backing world currency with their dollar post ww2 which gave them a serious economic advantage.
>>79710739>impossibleUnless king have to respond to public for his actions, no.
>>79710747>and dieThe most desirable outcome.
>>79710688Reminds me of that guy in the Soviet Academy of Science who pushed an alternative theory to evolution by natural selection. Rose to prominence because his theory was more in line with communist ideology. Propnents of genetics were successfully suppressed and agricultural research was completely focused on his nonsense. The inefficient and wrong farming methods he pushed were a major contribution to the famines that killed millions of people.
>>79710725>GOVERNMENT>GOVERNMENT>GOVERNMENTNo the issues with communism and socialism are also economic. They suffer from a lack of concrete criterion for resource aqusition and disperal I.E. the economic calculation problem.>Red Scare was forever agoI don't live in the US moron. My grandad lived through soviet occupation and only survived by fleeing in the 30's to avoid death in a manufactured famine.
>>79710767Oh shit, didn't know this. Got a name?
>>79710780>lack of concrete criterion for resource aqusition and disperalSounds like capitalism. Oh wait, it is capitalism.>soviet occupation in the 30s>manufactured famineThere was a "manufactured famine" in the USA in the late 20s/early 30s as well, in CAPITALISM. It was called "the great depression." Which spread to other parts of the world in the 30s because of lack of resources. Stop believing in manufactured communism scares by a bunch of fucking rich shitlords afraid of having their massive wealth taken over and shared by the working class. You've been lied to your entire life.
>>79710780The entire thing makes no sense. It uses false premises that reach irrational conclusions. It's the flat earth of economy
>>79710851>Sounds like capitalism. Oh wait, it is capitalism.Imagine being this delusional.>There was a "manufactured famine" in the USA in the late 20s/early 30s as wellLiterally perfectly coincides with them doing retarded economic easing spurred on by an economist that backed command economies like the USSR. Wow what a suprise.>in CAPITALISMThis may shock you but America is not the perfect shining light of capitalism especially after once we get into 1900 they being to become less capitalist as we go.>Stop believing in manufactured communism scares by a bunch of fucking rich shitlordsAs mentioned my grandad lived through this. He was a day labourer. He wasn't rich. I'm sorry that reality and your theory don't match up but until you come back to the drawing board and fix it you'll just keep getting made fun of for your religious ideas that cannot be questioned.>You've been lied to your entire life.This is funnily enough true. My entire life my country's public education system(Public education it's self a plank of communism laid down by Marx and Engels) told me that socialism was the best thing ever. It wasn't until I learned economics that I realized how much of a sham the whole thing was.Regardless you are reach q-anon levels of conspiri-tard.
>>79710894Now you mention it Labour theory of value is like talking to a flat earther about "Personal bubbles."
>>79707437I believe it because it is a fact.No, real capitalism is not when whites exist.
>>79710945This is so funny because it shows an inability to understand what first, second and third world mean.First world:CapitalismSecond world: CommunismThird world: undeveloped nations.That's what it means OP.
>america fails at literally anything>"b-but commies are worse!!!"every time
>>79710972Undeveloped nations also have economic policies. Many of them, despite being shitholes full of subhumans, have saner takes on capitalism than the US, because Americans are retarded.
>>79710972What would nazi germany nationalism classify as?
>>79710972>it's capitalism when it works but not when it doesn't work
>>79711026The term was invented during the cold war so there's not much consideration for it's place. If you ask a commie/socialst they will claim it's capitalism. If you ask someone with any understanding of economics they will point out that it's command economy places it in with socialism. Their a reason it's called national socialism after all.
>>79711023>Undeveloped nations also have economic policiesYes in their case it tends to be some despotic command economy.>saner takes on capitalismIs that the saner take where you shoot your rivals and horde gold or the saner take where you run around naked spread AIDS and gunshot wounds?
>>79710940What irks me the most is the sheer arrogance coupled with blindness that comes with itIf you don't believe in their absolute value nonsense for something you are the uneducated one because everyone should value that thing the sameThen they double down by believing people are too stupid/uneducated/evil to use resources properly so they should be the ones managing them. By force
>>79711050Take your meds. Government actions are non-capitalist. You remind me of Deepak chopra. He abuses the word energy and you abuse the word capitalist. It's easier to sport if you take the claim and swap in work done for energy and free market for capitalism. Free market government makes no sense.
>>79689031It's called Survival Mode, it's the default mode in real life unless you're born rich. Just like that famous video-game Minecraft, you need food to survive
>>79711053>If you ask someone with any understanding of economicsYou think you understand economics because you have Dunning-Kruger delusions.
>>79711069>Yes in their case it tends to be some despotic command economy.State capitalism is still capitalism.>Is that the saner take where you shoot your rivals and horde gold or the saner take where you run around naked spread AIDS and gunshot wounds?Still less degenerate than American culture.>>79711097>Government actions are non-capitalist. You think they are non-capitalist because you are American and cannot tell the difference between actual economic facts and your cultural values.
>>79711121>State capitalismSee >>79711097 state free-market makes no sense you mad man.>because you are AmericanHahahaah. Good joke.>cannot tell the difference between actual economic facts and your cultural valuesNot an argument.
>>79711106>You think you understand economics because you have Dunning-Kruger delusions.Sure thing bud. Come back when you have an actual argument and not an insult with a shitty picture made by a propagandist smarter than you.
>>79711121Which brand of capitalism are you talking here? Because free market capitalism can't coexist with a state by definition. Economic freedom means being in control of every last cent of your own money
>>79698933>all Germany rules is the EU's favorbut anon, China rules the EU now
>>79702586nah the bad people will move out of fear of being killed by the (handsomely)paid commie killing militia
>>79702586>Half a paragraph for a 7 word jokeWhy are all leftist "memes" like this.
>>79698349literal crab bucket mentalityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI3B_W-xO0
>>79711121>State capitalismOxymoron.See TIK on private vs publicHe goes over it completely
>>79710256Ah, so it's just anarcho egoism with some optional(unenforceable) ethic principles.Sounds pretty based to me, I'd love to hire some private death squad and do business with other willing or not individuals.>>79710382But workers can be owners as well. If you want to enforce redistribution of goods, kicking rich business owners won't help, because literally anyone can just defend their property and start exchanging goods bootstrapping capitalism. Without state that will have authority over it to continue that kicking out, amount of workers willing to kick owners is bound to decrease as people simply prefer stability over insurgency. Also without state nothing will stop these owners from forming private police to keep the kicking squad out of their property.
>>79697276Government intervention does far more to prevent to existence of monopolies than help it. If you seriously think all those things are the only reason megacorps exist you are delusional
>>79711097>socialism is when government does stuff
>>79711692>Image showing the many ways that government promotes monopolies.>Government intervention does far more to prevent to existence of monopolies than help it.As >>79707703 points out monopolies are created by governments. If you can't figure it out from these two then you are a hopeless idealogue.
>>79711728Not an argument.
>>79688995lol that doesnt make any sensewhat then. fascism?
>>79711750I'm glad we agree on something.
>>79711764It's okay. We can all get behind the fact that you are retarded OP.
>>79711728Socialism is whatever is politically convenient and sounds pretty to the masses
>>79689031Someone gotta do it nigga, regardless of how shitty ISPs are there's people behind them. Not asking you to be kind to them, just to remember it's not just FuckBot 5000 (although sometimes all ISPs feel like that)
>>79697355companies try to bypass everything that doesnt benefit them and take advantage of everything that does, what a shocker
>>79698638your brain on establishment