What went wrong?
>>79678863now turn off the lights
>>79678886>yes, you can judge the quality of a display from a fucking blurred photo
>>79678991Get a better monitor.
>>79678984Its not just the photo that is blurry
>>79678850Stop making these threads retard. I want to buy a crt but your constant shilling is driving up the prices.
>>79679003>VA>bettermaybe when viewing still pictures
your eyes cant see more than 20 fps anyway
>>79679130>$3000 for a small, low brightness, 400:1 contrast screen which cannot handle modern resolutions and refresh rates and looks awful if there's any light in the room at allPeople are fucking insane
>>79679199modern monitors look more like 240p20fps in motion compared to a crt
>>79679199You don't know the best part: The FW900 is known to shit itself within a few years of usage. The colors fade away into white until you cant see anything else.
>>79679286The flybacks are also notorious for blowing up, anyone buying one now is buying a timebomb.
>>79679510which of them use flybacks?
>>79679654All crts have a flyback transformer?
>>79678850>What went wrong?sample-and-holdslow pixel reaponse time
>>79679247you do realize only gpus from 900 nvdia series support crt and the newer ones dontalso modern games dont support crt resoltuins
>>79679197that's true it says in the bible that man can't see more than 19.8 fps
>daily simping for outdated garbage technology with fake comparison images threadCRT simps are the biggest memes out there.>>79679182>in focus crt vs out of focus angled oled
>>79679804>graphical card supportthey don't support crts natively because they don't output analog but you can get converters
>>79679825>>in focus crt vs out of focus angled oledThe point is that the crt is fucking dim
>>79679804You do realize you can buy this 330mhz Delock 62967 lagless DAC for $20?>also modern games dont support crt resoltuinsNot that many, but yea it does suck sometimes
>>79679804>you do realize only gpus from 900 nvdia series support crt and the newer ones dont>what are DP->VGA adapters?>what is multi-gpu?>also modern games dont support crt resoltuinsplenty of them do, cyberbug 2077 being the latest game that comes to mind with 4:3 support, probably something like 90% of all games and the rest will run fine letterboxed (you could increase the refresh rate further at a shorter letterboxed resolution too)
>>79678921Who the fuck is using computers with the lights off? A way to get a headache and eye fatigue in one hour.
>>79679182Whoa, this is nostalgic... I had that exact setup, same speakers and everything.
tick tock crt fags
>>79679916What about hz meme?
>>79679916>60hz>still has terrible motion resolution>burns in
>>79679916>31.5 inchat what point do monitors and tv become to big? if you're too close you can't see the whole thing and if you move further away it would be the same as if you had a smaller monitor/tv but were closer
I LOVE RETROTUBERS!!!
>>79678921>your monitor is only usable at night with 0 other ambient lights, so backlit keyboards and other lit accessories are also out of the question
>>79679916> that would be 2000$ill pass
>>79679934>31.5" 4K OLED >DCI-P3 99% >Perfect blacks It's over crt fags. You can't argue that having 60hz+ with better pixel response is more important than anything mentioned above.
>>79679873>headache and eye fatiguedon't get any>>79679962>backlit keyboard and other lit accessoriescome back when you're 18
>>79680043>You can't argue that having 60hz+ with better pixel response is more important than anything mentioned above.i can
>>79680078High refresh rate is only important for competitive gaming. For any other usage it's barely noticable thing.
>>79680043>You can't argue that having 60hz+ with better pixel response is more importantit is objectively better for gaymin, don't forget about CRTs lower persistence (weay less motion blur) either.If you're looking to get a monitor for pro photo editing then sure, the OLED is a way better monitor. CRT still does an okay job though, not to mention the fact you can get one for a fraction of the price.
>>79680043Yes I can, games. They're all literally designed just for sRGB so your wide gamut is literally worthless here. >perfect blacksI'll give you that one, but good CRTs do come damn close.>4kWhy'd I ever run a game at 4k?
>>79680110that's why I have one so I have better motion clarity in games that need it, what's wrong with that?
>>79680130>you can get one for a fraction of the priceSure. Can't wait to pay $3000 for a 20 year old monitor which can fall apart any second. What a fantastic investment. That surely will outlast any OLED.
>>79678850eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>79680202>retard lists a meme monitor at a retardedly high price on ebay>this is now the official MSRP of every CRT on every marketplaceI got CRTs better than that for under $100
>>79680238Well tell me then where I can get one for $100? I'll do it right now.
>>79680055Bitch, officecore laptops have backlit keyboards. Work on that insecurity.
>>79680225Zoomer detected. Vast majority of PC CRT monitors do not whine. Some do, but it's due to coil whine etc, manufacturing defects>inb4 im deafCan hear every frequency to 19.5khz just fineWhat your zoomer ass is remembering is 15khz SDTVs. They did indeed whine. Good CRTs run above 100khz, some up to 140khz.
>>79680353>zoomer detected>I'm so old my hearing has degraded and I can't hear the whine so it doesn't exist
>>79680353>Can hear every frequency to 19.5khz just fineunderage detected
>>79680275Look on local marketplaces and at charity or thrift stores. You should find plenty of people practically giving them away, but it's possible you'll be unlucky and not find much. Fact is they can be had for very cheap but it depends a bit on luck and keeping your eyes peeled.Only retards fall for the hype and pay for overpriced shit on ebay. CRTs are good but not $3000 good.
>>79680352it's for boomers who can't touch type, what's your excuse?
>>79680399>insecure neoboomer backpeddalsWhat, are you afraid your daddy's going to shake his head in disapproval if you don't have the most boring, sanitized system possible?
>>79680388not him but crt monitors did not whine unless you put your ear right up to the perforated back. lcd monitors do the same even if a bit less
>>79680388That's correct. I'm now old enough I can't hear the whine of zoomers anymore.T. Not him
>>79680388>adhd zoomer has zero reading comprehension>>79680395Actually early 20s. Past 18.5khz it's hard to tell but I can definitely still hear 19.2khz>>79680438The only noise I actually remember ever hearing from a PC CRT is a refresh-rate dependent sawtooth from a 1995 monitor. Faint but there.
>>79680517>b-bro I can totally hear everything hahacope.>>79680110Just scrolling through web pages is made superior by high refresh rates.t. rocking 144hz 1440p while shitposting on 4channel dot org
>>79680397basically, it's pure fucking luck chance, you might find one, you might not.
>>79680537>i cant hear it anymore so nobody else can
>>79679182>LGR PicAt least have some decency.
>>79680388You cant hear 30Khz and beyond
>>79679130Just go to a fucking goodwill you idiot
>>79678863>>79678886>>79678904>>79678926>>79679162>>79679182>>79679961>>79679982>>79679996>>79680013>>79680029>>79680042>>79680654Look at this silly zoomer, coping hard after purchasing a $500 gaming monitor thats worse than any random office monitor from 1990s
>>79680554Pretty much, but you're basically guaranteed to find a decent one eventually. Have some patience.
>>79680726>patienceThat's a dangerously scarce resource in the current year>>79679825What's fake about it?https://blurbusters.com/faq/creating-strobe-backlight/#photographyhttps://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera/https://blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/Educate yourself before posting
>>79680711Actually I'm viewing this thread on a ViewSonic CRT that I got for free lol. The problem is not CRTs, but paying retarded prices for them because some YouTuber memed them to hell.
>>79680711Wrong, I used CRTs enough to be glad that they aren't made any more. Enjoy your blurry flickering.
>>79680763Who the fuck here does or advocates for that?
I fucking love these threads, baiting retarded autistics with the same shitposts for months and they still fall for it.
>>79680788Who's trolling who? Seems like a two-way thing to me
>Several high end CRTs for use and backup for old content>High end modern flat panel for modern content Only retards and poorfags cope about this shit or need excuses.
>>Who's trolling who? Seems like a two-way thing to me>two-way thing>people literally post their silly shitty mediocre CRT-s claiming all kinds of shit like they're trying to find excuses for owning own instead of just ignoring shitposts and using themwhatever helps you sleep at night
>>79680753>what's fake about my faked images and meme examples from this websiteYou fall for photoshopped advertisement images on amazon too, I take it.
Can CRTs be used with Nvidia 3D vision
>>79680880Compare any CRT vs any LCD with your EYES and the difference is EXACTLY like on the OPs picture. Cope harder.
>>79680931>hurr durr use ur eyesWith my eyes I can see CRTs are outdated shit that take up excessive amounts of room and only nostalgia-infected faggots simp for them.
>>79681069I didn't mean "cope harder" literally you aspie
>>79679962CRT only looks grey with direct light, but of course you don't know that since you are a zoomer that never touched one.
>>79680825the only sensible post I've seen in these threads for months
Another CRT thread
>>79679804The only difference is that you have to get a $5 DAC now since they removed the internal one. >also modern games dont support crt resoltuinsFalse. I just beat RDR2 on my 4:3, 1600x1200. There are plenty of 16:9 CRTs anyway.
>>79678886>>79679182>zoomer doesn't know CRTs look like shit when recordedlmao
>>79681174daily bait thread, of course
>>79681205>There are plenty of 16:9 CRTs anyway.The only 16:9 CRT MONITOR I know if is the carmack tube.There's plenty of HDTVs sure, but they suck.
>>79681079>abloo bloo bloo I can't back up my claims so I'll use nu4chan buzzwordsCRTs are shit and will never come back.
>>79681271Nice way to show your lack of knowledge in the field.
>>79681276>I can't back up my claims But I literally did link bunch of sources, yet you claim it's all some kind of conspiracy and fake. No bother trying prove anything to you.
>>79679130You need to watch for them, try more obscure websites or goodwill auctions. You could get a pretty decent one for reasonable price.
>>79681285link me common 16:9 crt monitors
>>79681307Biased CRTphiles aren't a source. That's like linking a flat earth blog to back up your claims about the shape of the planet.
>>79681393Okay how about Microsoft Research? https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463407.aspx
>>79681413>research from when lcds were brand new prototype technology and moving a crt from 60 to 75hz was a revolutionary act republished in 2017
Oh please stop with these stupid threads. Crts are only usefull for retro gaming and oscilloscopes.
>>79681505except fundamentally LCDs haven't changed at all since 2005, they're still sample-and-hold and their pixels can't switch fast enough for backlight strobing without artifacts.
>>79681581>tech hasn't progressed>buy my CRTs
>>79681509But muh LGR bro
>>79681505Why do certain gaming monitors, high-end TVs and professional $30 000 OLED PVMs include backlight strobing/BFI, technology that attempts to (poorly) emualte CRT strobe?
>>79681687>why do high refresh rate monitors add features that aren't present in budget 60hz monitors
>>79681728So you do acknowledge sample&hold motion blur is a real issue?
>>79681760No, I do not acknowledge your false assertions. CRTs are shit. There's a reason they're gone now, and it isn't whatever schizo conspiracy theory you've thought up.
>>79681771if you don't acknowledge it's an issue then why do you think features that attempt to mitigate it are on expensive new monitors?
>>79681771Sources to your accusations?
>>79680825there's only two types of people in this threadpeople who need validation and attention for owning (not even using it) old hardwarepeople who come here for easy (You)s
>>79681803It's not an issue. That's like saying HDMI is an issue because you can use DP instead and get better results. Features to achieve a higher refresh rate != "muh blurrrrrrrrrr"
>>79681116It depends a lot on the CRTSome black and white ones look almost white when you're not in a dark environmentSome relatively modern ones have special coatings, the 1990s ones are often a bit more blurry because of them
>>79679804You're a retard, I play GTAV on my CRT with a 1660S
>>79681845>it's not an issueYes it is you retard, why is there features to mitigate it?>achieve a higher refresh rate != "muh blurrrrrrrrrr"The only reason there's any difference between ultra-high refresh rates is because they reduce motion blur, by reducing the time sample'n'hold motion blur is in effect.>>79682038Exactly, backlight strobing on LCDs is usually pure garbage, nothing like a CRT
>>79682072Hm! That beautiful """contrast""" :^)>>79682079autistic crt fag detected
>>79682079Strobing of any kind should not be part of a modern display>>79682051What DAC are you using? Most cant go beyond 60Hz with high resolutions.
>>79682079>Yes it is you retard, why is there features to mitigate it?There aren't. There are features to increase refresh rate for high refresh rate displays, that are unnecessary for basic and officecore 60hz monitors.>The only reason there's any difference between ultra-high refresh ratesSo you're saying CRTs can't reach high refresh rates but it's ok because "they don't need to". Sounds like you're just simping for outdated hardware that has no place in modern discussion because it's trash.
>>79682099>Strobing of any kind should not be part of a modern displayCRTs still "strobe" though
Here we see LCDfags cope for 400 posts with their terrible motion blurring poorfag office displays. Reminder: We're soon going back to self emissive, raster scanning displays. Because they are better in every way lol.
Can I get a (you) too? Heres my CRT, it can run at 800x600 60Hz progressive or even at 1024x768 interlaced! But with the latter resolution it makes a horrible whining noise like something is gonna blow up inside so I dont use that one
>>79682099>Strobing of any kind should not be part of a modern displaySpoken like a true imbecile. Strobing is the only way to properly display motion.
>>79682099>What DAC are you using? Most cant go beyond 60Hz with high resolutions.Why do you spread this bullshti? Most are 270 - 330 pixel clock while costing less than 15 bucks on Amazon. Easily 1080p at 100Hz.
>>79679959It's not at 32" at least. After upgrading to one from 24" I can't ever have anything less than that.
>>79682111And CRTs are fucking trash.I recently tired using my 50Hz TV and my eyes hurt after a few seconds. No idea how I could deal with that shit just a few years ago. My Stinkpad LCD backlight strobes at around 100Hz by default and that was annoying as fuck too.
>>79682142You realize at ridiculously high refresh rates, like 400+ Hz, strobing would actually have a negative impact? One day we'll have panels with good motion clarity capable of doing that and they won't strobe, screenshot this if you don't believe me. Even the most hardware CRT fags, like myself, owning several 130kHz and 140kHz tubes know that strobing of any kind is bad and a "hack" for your eyes because hardware limitation and nothing else.
>>79682143sooo, which one are you using?
>>79682171I'm not original anon but I use Rankie DP and HDMI to VGA adapters, different chipsets but both capable of 330€8 on Amazon
>>79682142Here is your (you).
>>79682167>You realize at ridiculously high refresh rates, like 400+ Hz, strobing would actually have a negative impact?Yes, I do. Need more like 1000Hz though. We only have sample and hold due to eyelets like you who dislike quality monitors.>strobing is a hackNo, it's the only way to display motion properly at achievable refresh rates for the time being. We've had a dark era of literal 240P tier motion clarity due to faggots such as you. Luckily LCD's time is limited. I can't wait for them to finally die.
>>79682171>have this thread every fucking day>with the same content>people still ask this shit we literally have had "help baby buy their first VGA adapter and CRT" guides here several times, yet people are too lazy to check the archive
>>79682159I feel like I miss things if I sit too close to my 27". Think this or 30" might be it as far as monitors go.
>>79679993>ill pass>pays $1000 for his 20 year old retard monitor
So, what is the best ultrawide 21:9 1440p 144hz 1ms response time IPS monitor?
>still the same thread as 6 years agohttps://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/45321526
>>79682246Anon, there aren't any 1ms monitors
>>79682197>Need more like 1000Hz though.Not really, current 300Hz panels only need strobe for clarity, so motion itself looks better and already current and upcoming OLED and MicroLED panels don't strobe and have very good motion clarity, while not even being close to 300Hz. My 400+ Hz is a hypothetical sweet spot where even the best eyes wouldn't notice anymore and 1000Hz is would be better obviously but you'd never be able to tell. >to finally dieJust buy a OLED already, at least go to a store and look at one in real life. CRTs are great for old content, but this is just ridiculous.
>>79682278OLEDs are not better in this regard. And they won't be until the brightness issues are fixed. You literally cannot have good motion clarity without strobing at low refreshrates.
>>79682246Why not 1600p 21:9 170Hz?
Its been over 15 years since crts where phased out why do we must compromise on some of their better qualities there's no reason for oled to be bad at motion
>>79682099As I said, even professional OLED PVMs, televisions and gaming monitors do it>>79682104>There aren'tYou're literally denying reality, why does the LG CX OLED have BFI? What's ULMB?>So you're saying CRTs can't reach high refresh rates but it's ok because "they don't need to".But they do reach quite high refresh rates if you really need it. But you're also correct, you don't need to push anywhere near as high refresh rates to have perfectly smooth and clear motion. >>79682142this>>79682161PWM dimming isn't motion blur reduction you retard. You need to sync the strobe, and that's nearly impossible to do properly on LCDs, you always have some kind of crosstalk artifacts.>>79682167>You realize at ridiculously high refresh rates, like 400+ Hz, strobing would actually have a negative impact?What bullshit is this? Pic related, 360hz looks like ass, 144hz strobed looks much better.Also, what the fuck do you run at 400fps+? CSGO? Na man, I want my motion clarity at any refresh rate.
>>79682297Go to a store and ask them to hook up your laptop to a 120Hz OLED, then disable strobe and enable FreeSync/G-Sync. Report back, before you do that, don't bother replying with anecdotal arguments.
>>79682299Because it costs more.
>>79682297LG just announced their 2nd gen OLED panels (they call everything from ~2012-2020 1st gen).Starting with the 77" G1 in 2021 it is the first "2nd" generation OLED panel by LG, boasting increased color accuracy and brightness. They're branding it OLED evo.https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled77g1pua-oled-4k-tvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5xqAZn2rX0
>>79682313The strobing of OLEDs is just pwm for brightness control. Modern OLEDs strobe at thousands of Hz so people dont see the shitty flickering.
>>79682313>What bullshit is this? Pic related, 360hz looks like ass, 144hz strobed looks much better.>Also, what the fuck do you run at 400fps+? CSGO? Na man, I want my motion clarity at any refresh rate.Are you not reading posts on purpose? Why are all people making dumb arguments not even paying attention to the text they reply to? >>79682167>You realize at ridiculously high refresh rates, like 400+ Hz, strobing would actually have a negative impact? >One day we'll have panels with good motion clarity capable of doing that and they won't strobe, screenshot this if you don't believe me.Strobing exists to get better motion clarity, when motion clarity itself isn't a problem, at high refresh rate you won't need strobing to have a smooth motion picture. Literally nothing to do with your "pic related".
>it's the one autistic finfag ignoring peoples arguments and copy pasting the same dumb dogshit like clockwork don't feed the attention, just ignore
>>79682246iiyama G-Master GB3461WQSU Red Eagle
>>79682313>why does a high refresh rate monitor have high refresh rate hardware>s-seventy five hertz is high!!!!You really take some faggot from a blog taking photographs of computer monitors to be the word of god, don't you?
>>79682324It is a literal fact that you cannot have good motion clarity with sample and hold at low refresh rates. It's completely uncontroversial, except among people who are curiously affectionate towards LCD. OLED has very good response time, but that isn't the whole story.
>>79682444N- no!! YOU CANT TALK SHIT ABOUT BLURBUSTERS DOT COM!!
>>79682441Hmm interesting. Doesn't look like I can buy this easily in the US, but it also looks like it might be the same panel of the monitor I just ordered anyway. Acer Nitro XV340CK
>>79682368Sure, crank the refresh rate until blur is reduced to near irrelevancy, but now you're ignoring my posts:>Also, what the fuck do you run at 400fps+? CSGO? Na man, I want my motion clarity at any refresh rate.>inb4 future lagless ai sóy interpolationI want good motion clarity TODAY, not 50 years from now>>79682444what the fuck is>high refresh rate hardwareand what is your point?Also, not only are microsoft and blurbusters into some conspiracy, every single independent monitor reviewer is also part of it!
>>79682523Hardware that has a high refresh rate and is designed for such. Please, try to keep up.
>>79682536Are you calling ULMB "high refresh rate hardware"?
>>79682492It's EU+Japan only if I remember right
>>79682453Source? VRR is doing partial refreshes and it's better than anything else, specially on OLED panels. No strobe.
>>79679873Sit a bit further away from the monitor.
>>79682567VRR is polish on a turd, compared to zero-persistence it's a joke.
>>79682567https://blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/Here's one. CRTs have 500-1000 microseconds of persistence. Which corresponds to 1000-2000Hz refresh rate, btw.
>>79682523>>Also, what the fuck do you run at 400fps+? CSGO? Na man, I want my motion clarity at any refresh rate.This has nothing to do with either point though. You realize that running 100Hz content on a 400Hz panel that doesn't do strobing wouldn't have any negative effect on the panel side, except the original content itself being lower refresh rate than possible? I have no idea how this is a topic so hard to understand, Kruger much? Plus it was already mentioned that 120Hz OLEDs exist without strobe that get very close to this already (now, 3 years after some people still post blurbusters articles from 2018). >>79682587Source? >>79682596OLED was only brought up as an example because it's the closest we have right now.We are literally talking about displays that don't exist yet, the main argument being why strobe exists and people not understanding what it does.
>>79682596The older tubes from the mid 1990s and earlier had more so they wont flicker much at 60Hz
>>79682596Not anon but VRR uses strobe that's 10000-2000 Hz on OLED only for brightness controlThe persistence of parts of the screen that don't get updated between frames is theoretically infinite, 1000-2000 Hz is a joke next to it
>>79682596>here's a article about OLED before the HDMI standard for VRR even existedthanks? no idea what you're trying to say
>>79682637>We are literally talking about displays that don't exist yetOkay cool. And when a display exists that can beat my CRT, I'll buy it.
>>79682637100fps on a 9000hz monitor looks like 100hz. And 100hz has 10ms of persistence, which leads to massive motion blur. What the fuck was your point? >Source?What do you need a source for? The only thing it reduces is tearing, which is like the least important thing when all motion is disgustingly blurred anyway
>buy expensive CRT for muh lag free experience>realize that the RTX 3090 doesnt output VGA>have to use extra DAC which adds more lag than an LCD
>>79682689what does VRR have to do with image persistence?
>>79682753>have to use extra DAC which adds considerably less lag than an LCD, actually
>>79682724Start from the beginning of the post chain. Read very carefully.>>79682696As mentioned by other anons, the linked article doesn't even really cover VRR that exists on OLED panels now without strobing.
>>79682753>have to use extra DAC which adds more lag than an LCD>Source: my ass
>>79679130Its you buying them that's driving up the price
>using stone age technology in current yearDo you want a VHS recorder with that shit?
>>79680110You either never used it or your eyes are broken, 120 should be standard on everything, it enormously improves just how responsive and fast your computer feels in general. It's like getting an SSD all over again.
Motion clarity might be worse on modern displays, but you're delusional if you think CRT excels anywhere else.MAYBE if CRT continued being produced they would have, but they didn't, and the CRTs that do exist out there, simply aren't as big, aren't as high resolution while simultaneously high refresh rate, and certainly can't compare when it comes to watching HDR UHD films and TV shows.Sure if all you're doing is retro gaming, by all means, buy and use a CRT, but realize most people don't give a singular fuck.
>>79682754>picture doesn't get updated each refresh - the image literally persists between refreshes >HOW IS THIS RELATED TO PERSISTENCE /g/ everyone >>79682753External DACs add less than <1ms latency compared to the digital outputBoth a card with DAC onboard or external DAC has a DAC in the path of the signal...Nobody buys CRTs for "lag free" anyways anymore, they don't really have the upper hand anymore when it comes to latency and high refresh
>>79682753>>have to use extra DAC which adds more lag than an LCD>tfw my panel runs at 200Hz and has a G2G of 2ms and processing latency of 1ms>literally less latency than my CRT at 1440p/100Hz
>>79681599>tech hasn't progressedCorrect. In fact even LCDs have gone backwards in the past decade>edge lit instead of direct lit>no more ATW polarizer on IPS panels, which means lower contrast and more glowLCDs and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>79682762>Start from the beginning of the post chain. Read very carefully.Do you mean that if you have a STROBING 400hz monitor displaying 100hz, you'd get quadrupled image?What a retarded point, just reduce the refresh rate, we even have variable refresh rate tech now, actually even ELMB exists, tho it sucks. Backlight strobing with VRR.
>>79682832This. Direct-lit CCFL monitors were actually superior to the edge lit LED garbage in many ways.
I refuse to go under 120hz for monitors
>>79682888Direct-lit LED is the best. In fact, many of the issues LCDs have could be solved or hugely mitigated by simply making ones that don't suck. But nobody wants to, because LCDs have always been a cost saving measure.
>your eyes can’t see over 30fps>your ears can’t hear over 30hz
It's ridiculous that there's people butthurt arguing about things they have no idea about.It seriously seems like nobody of those people who are so sure in themselves actually has read about newish display technologies or used a modern display. t. CRT fag
>>79682916I'm excited for LG's OLED stuff. If they release a high refresh gaming OLED I'll bury them in money, and probably finally retire my CRT.
>>79682845You literally can't have strobe and VRR. The only strobe the VRR monitors do is when you lower their brightness, then they strobe on PWM frequencies in the tens of thousands. If you display a integer framerate on the refresh rate of a display that has physically a very high refresh rate, no strobing and good motion clarity, running a lower FPS on said higher refresh isn't a problem. We already have done this on CRTs and older displays for years, it's called 1/2 v-sync for example, instead of reducing refresh rate. But in this case, the monitors doesn't strobe.
>>79682968Ignore anon, they seems to be unable to understand basic points and are stuck in the 90's
>>79682968>If you display a integer framerate on the refresh rate of a display that has physically a very high refresh rate, no strobing and good motion clarity, running a lower FPS on said higher refresh isn't a problem.Okay, but that's wrong though. Your persistence will just increase, causing motion blur.
>>79682808persistence is the same regardless of VRRexample:60FPS at 120Hz (no VRR)same frame shown twice (8.333 ms persistence x 2)60FPS at 60HZ (VRR)frame shown once (16.666 ms persistence x 1)VRR and backlight strobing is ideal, no pulldown jitter and no persistence motion blur.
>>79682968>You literally can't have strobe and VRR.Wrong, anon you're replying to literally mentioned one such technology. ELMB Sync.
>>79682984Nothing to do with motion blur, but sure, the motion itself won't be as smooth. The whole point was that the display wouldn't care. The impact of motion quality would still be negative because your content is running at sub-optimal frame rates. >>79683051There's no "shown twice", it's shown over several refreshes without redrawing in this case. Only parts redrawn are parts that update between frames. Even the most stubborn luddites agreed before in this very thread that with high refresh, strobing would not be needed and actually become a negative thing. Try to keep up. >>79683073Oh really? Show me this OLED panel that you can go and buy that does both at the same time. Lol.
>>79682968>You literally can't have strobe and VRR.But we literally have it, Asus calls it ELMB.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ki7z_zJn9kBut as any LCD strobe mode, it's shit.>If you display a integer framerate on the refresh rate of a display that has physically a very high refresh rate, no strobing and good motion clarity, running a lower FPS on said higher refresh isn't a problem.Yes it is a problem, the content is bottlenecking the monitor. Do you understand anything about monitors?
>>79682983I'm going to sleep soon anyways, it's fun to argue with people who haven't seen a display made in the past 5 years from even a mile away. Have fun. Remember CRT is love, CRT is life.
>>79683096>Nothing to do with motion blur...Persistence has everything to do with motion blur>OLED panelNone exist but some LCDs have it. Are you trolling? You're completely incoherent.Anon, if I have a 99999GHz sample and hold display, and I draw a frame to it every 1/60th of a second, I will have 16.7ms of persistence and all the blur that comes with it.
>>79683102>But we literally have it, Asus calls it ELMB.See: >>79683096>Yes it is a problem, the content is bottlenecking the monitor. Do you understand anything about monitors?Explained here, see: >>79683096It's literally the other way around. I think you just made a typo.
>>79683120>none exist top fucking kek, anon was right, the people arguing about this shit literally haven't looked up modern displays
>>79683166Couldn't even finish a single sentence huh?>but some LCDs have it
>>79683096>There's no "shown twice"It's the same frame being shown for two refreshes, effectively the same frame twice.Which is the problem: It's held on screen for just as long as a screen running a refresh rate equal to the content's frame rate.>Even the most stubborn luddites agreed before in this very thread that with high refresh, strobing would not be needed and actually become a negative thing.You'd need 1000Hz and 1000FPS. Unachievable for the forseeable future.
>>79683125>>79683096>Even the most stubborn luddites agreed before in this very thread that with high refresh, strobing would not be needed and actually become a negative thing. Try to keep up.Only in a very special case you laid out in a retarded way: displaying low refresh rate on a high refresh strobe monitor.And even then, ~40fps AAA games look a lot better on a 85hz CRT than any-hz LCD. Double images are there on a CRT, but compared to the MASSIVE motion blur of any LCD, it's preferrable.Rest of your post is some kind of retarded delusion, I don't understand at all how do you think monitors and video work. The other anons explained this to you like to a 5 year old, but you still don't understand.
>>79683096Okay I'm going to make it really simple for you. The only way to reduce blur is by reducing persistence. You can achieve this by:>1. Strobing>2. Increasing refresh rate>3. BothIf you increase refresh rate, you have to render frames faster as well. Which requires faster computers. Understand?
CRT had some unique aesthetics, you can love it if you want. There's nothing wrong with that.But will you please stop spamming the board with "SUPERIOR CRT" Bullshit?
>>79683268they are objectively and measurably better at motion clarity, as seen in OP's image. Besides that yeah, they're beaten by OLED.
>>79683268The OP literally just compared a single properly of those two monitors. Nobody has claimed CRTs are absolutely superior for everything. There are use cases where a CRT does always win, but this thread has too many retards that don't even understand what's going on in the picture, how vrr works, refresh rates or anything, I would be too much for today.
>>79682832High end panels were always expensive, and they still are. Consumer IPS is cheap trash that only exists because retards started to associate IPS with good display.
>>79682832>it's eternally 2003Backwards retard. >>79683317They aren't, though. Motion clarity is perfectly fine on LCDs, and no amount of "b-but muh favorite blog pointed his cell phone camera at a screen!" will change that.
tfw no Sony gdm-f/g520tfw no Mitsubishi 2070sbtfw no Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514tfw no Dell p1130tfw no LaCie Electron 22 blue IVtfw no Hewlett Packard p1230(i know theyre rebrands)
>>79683418>Motion clarity is perfectly fine on LCDsIt's pretty much the worst you could get, out of any kind of display ever made. CRT, Plasma, OLED don't have this problem.>it's eternally 2003You have no idea what you're talking about or what I was referring to. No, there isn't always a magical progression of newer = better.
>>79683418Holy cope>"b-but muh favorite blog pointed his cell phone camera at a screen!" HAHAHA
>>79680202A literal meme. I can drive over to the recycling plant and find at least 10 CRTs right now, all for free.
>>79683461>>79683474>literally shitting into his hand to come up with answersIf LCD is so bad, why is literally every display device using it? Oh right, because it doesn't have any actual display issues.
>>79683521You're just a troll
>>79681509The only sane person itt
>>79683521>If LCD is so bad, why is literally every display device using it?LCD is great at being cheap shit that's "good enough" for most things.>because it doesn't have any actual display issues.Not even the biggest shill on the planet could possibly agree with this assessment. LCDs, especially cheap ones, have very poor black levels, viewing angles, response time and uniformity. These can be mitigated/solved by expensive or not yet available technology, but probably we'll just change to a different display tech that doesn't suck.
>>79683536>everyone that disagrees with me is a trollNo, you're just a fucking manchild that can't handle the fact that he's wrong and shitty outdated hardware is not, in fact, any good.
>>79683551And you, you're a petulant manchild as well.>hurr it's cheap and good enoughIt's clearly better in every way, otherwise they'd still manufacture CRTs, even just for enthusiasts that pay retarded prices.>muh shillsYou're simultaneously stuck in 2016 and 2003, it's amazing. Early, low budget LCDs sucked because they were new technologies. Early issues have been mitigated. Even a cheap IPS Asus from 2013 has built-in features to fix issues with viewing angles.
>>79683552You're spewing the same baseless lies in spite of all the evidence that's been posted from the likes of BlurBusters (a reputable organisation who big monitor manufacturers literally work alongside to recieve a blurbusters certification). Until you post some actual counter-evidence instead of just making claims based on your opinion you'll continue to be a troll.
>>79682766>mfw my crt tv has a built in vcr>mfw it receives atsc>mfw it records atsc
>>79683598>LiesName one.>in spite of evidenceYour fucking blog that takes photos of screens and pretends that's an accurate capture isn't evidence. Do you even know how cameras work vs the human eye?
>>79683585None of the issues I mentioned has been completely solved. In fact, often a monitor will only be decent in one area and terrible in others.>it's better in every way It objectively is not, in easily demonstratable ways. Motion clarity is an example. A good CRT, in good condition, will also win the uniformity war against an edge lit panel, as well as black levels. The worst part of this is, many of these issues are solvable. It's just that nobody cares lol.
>>79683551Stop replying to him, nobody can believe the shit he does, he must be just bamboozling us
>>79683610>Name one.here:>>79683521>it doesn't have any actual display issues.
>>79683447I have a 2060u gathering dust in a closet. Been in there since I upgraded to 4k over a year ago and I don't see myself ever going back.
>>79683613Yes they have been fixed. Motion clarity is a non-issue, and your "evidence" of the "issue" is, again, photographs of a screen. >>79683617>plugging your ears and mumbling like a toddler>>79683626Submission rejected. Reason: The statement is truth. There are no actual display issues. There are imagined display issues from ignorant nostalgiafags who believe some faggot's blog over their own vision.
>>79683613It's already been solved and it's called OLED.
>>79683637Joke's on you, I use both a CRT and a 4K LCD every day.
>>79683646>Yes they have been fixed.No they have not. Mitigated sure, but not fixed. Again, not even the biggest shill on the planet would agree with you.>>79683648OLED is indeed pretty fucking sweet.
>>79683649I use a CRT every day too, it's the TV in my living room I use to play my consoles and watch evening news on.
>>79683662>nooooooooooooooo it's not fixed this blog and some meme measurements that are imperceptible to the human eye say soMan, you're insufferable. Enjoy your giant shitbox monitors as they spark out and die you cringe-ass luddite.
>>79683646>There are imagined display issues from ignorant nostalgiafags who believe some faggot's blog over their own vision.>over their own vision.I own 3 CRTs and like 6 LCDs, and the motion blur is just as bad as the pictures demonstrate.
>>79683675>imperceptible to the human eyeyou must have shit eyes, the difference it night and dayt. CRT and 144Hz LCD owner
>>79683675>imperceptible to the human eye say soTheir measurements track pretty much exactly with my own testing. They work with display companies to get blurbusters certification. They're well respect and they know their shit.Anon, please explain pic related if you believe LCD to be the best possible display technology (it isn't)
>>79683707I don't own any consoles newer than the Wii and the only broadcast TV I watch is 6PM news. All my modern video content I watch from my computer.
>>79683710Different anon here, I won't deny LCD is anything but the shittiest of shit but OLED has CRT objectively beaten in everything but resolution support.
>>79683744You are correct, OLED is fucking sweet. I'm not so jaded that I'm blind to real improvements.
>>79683730Believe me when I say you want that juicy OLED for NAS streaming. Always watched from PC too and while 27" WQHD IPS is good, 65" 4K OLED HDR is orgasmic.
>>79683744you are mostly correct but forgetting about motion clarity, the biggest topic in the thread, which CRT is still unbeaten at.
>>79683789>what is strobing
>>79683796Disappointing on every OLED that has it. None are sub 1ms.
>>79683796OLED doesn't have the brightness for that, but it's likely to be a solvable problem.
>>79683744>>79683796It is damn sweet indeed, but can't quite reach CRT-grade persistence. The LG CX OLED with BFI looks "only" as good as a 250hz monitor, instead of the 2000hz+ CRTs appear as. This is a fundamental limit to a OLED, you need utterly ridiculous (1500-2000nits) momentary brightness to sustain 100 nits with sub 1ms persistence. >>79683830Doubt it, they haven't solved burn-in for two decades.
>>79682079>8ms persistence is a blurry messmore like 8ms persistence is 1 or maybe two ghost images
>>79683848These things take time, LCDs were shit for two decades as well. OLED Evo is apparently 20% more efficient. That means more brightness, less burn in, less ABL, and of course lower persistence. I'm waiting to see how well those can display motion.
>>79683848They haven't solved burn in for 124 years.
>>79683879Nah, was basically a non-issue for any reasonable consoomer usage on CRTs by the 2000s.
>>79683865this image isn't taken properly you moronyou're supposed to track the UFO with the camera so thr dots in the black horizontal bars align into vertical lines.
>>79683886Tell that to the boomers with the CNN logo and ticker permanently burned in on their TVs. Always brings a disainful smile to my face when I go to the dump and see what appears to be a good CRT and I turn it over and see it on the screen.
>>79683920I had the Win10 taskbar on one for many hours a day since Windows 10 was a thing, and it wasn't an issue. That was a 2003 monitor. Before about the mid 90s it was a much bigger problem ofc.
>>79680711shut up animal you never had to use crt. wonder why people switched from crt as soon as viable alternatives appeared? take a wild guess.
>>79683920Really? I think the only displays with heavy burn in like that that i've seen have been plasmas used as destination signs
>>79683997For the typical office drone LCD is more than enough to look at spreadsheets with.
Why do you autistic zoomers masturbate over crts? Probably because you never had to use the shitty ones that were everywhere.
>>79684052Same reason they unironically buy and listen to vinyl.
>>79684072They also buy Lomo cameras to take deliberately shitty pics
>>79678850Industry is looking how to solve this shit since VR really suffers from blur (so they went low persistence road).
>>79683920This basically >>79683968, you'll almost never find a burned in CRT monitor. They do of course exist, but aren't common after mid 90s. I've had several utterly wasted monitors, ran to the ground without any worry in the world, cathodes barely there anymore. Burn in? None. It seems the tube will die from age before you manage to significantly burn one in with sane usage. Tubes even in arcade games lasted a while.>>79683997> as soon as viable alternatives appearedBut they didn't appear soon for many people. Anyone who cared about picture quality kept using CRTs long after LCDs took over.
>>79684135Based VR is also bringing back 3D and HRTF, as well as high FOV rendering techniques. Cool shit that shouldn't have died.
>>79680043>DCI-P3 99%a crt would be too with the appropriate dac
>>79684372That's not how that works. Color space is defined by how narrow your RGB primaries are in wavelenght, in LCDs that's primarily controller by your backlight. With CRTs, it's obviously the phosphors.All but a couple CRTs were all something around sRGB. The NEC RDF225WG is a Adobe RGB CRT, but I've never actually seen or hear anyone own one. If it does actually exist, that thing is the true holy grail of CRTs, 140khz and all.
>>79681987you zoomzoom is showing
>>79684618zoom harder zoomie
>>79684523>97% ARGB coverage>1920x1440 90Hz>zero motion blur>2003basically perfect.this could've been the average monitor spec by 2012 if the industry didn't abandon everything for muh thin and light.
>>79684659>we probably missed out on literal 16K CRTs that can do like 4000Hz in 1080Pwhy live
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED ALL THIS.
>>79682161CRT TVs and monitors are pretty different and you want to use at least 75Hz on monitors. Anyway 50Hz will always be eye cancer, no matter what, dunno how euros could stand that shit
>>79684693Literally couldn't, jews literally bought the technology and killed it.
>>79684693it was too good for this world anon, let it go. just look forward to new things, we'll get there.
>>79684659>this could've been the average monitor spec by 2012 if the industry didn't abandon everything for muh thin and light.>muh thin and light.Have you ever had an actual job or do you just work from home? Have you ever worked at all? I understand why people like CRTs but holy fuck I really don't think you've been around them that much.Think about it, EVERYONE that is/was a professional switched from CRT to LCD (whenever they had to buy new, obvs, faggot), literally every single soul.
>>79684719Normalfags never really cared about the best image quality, specially not on PC monitors. LCDs were shilled hard, even though the best one at the time was probably worse than even the worst CRT TV you could find and people fell for it since shit was light, thin and felt futuristic.
>>79684719proffessionals don't really care if a monitor has 45 seconds of response time and 10 minutes of input lag. they do care about having to calibrate every 30 seconds though
What /g/ prefers?
>>79684719>EVERYONE that is/was a professional switched from CRT to LCDOnly once LCDs caught up on colour accuracy. Professional photo editors were among the last to transition. Office drones with space constraints were the first (and the driving force behind the switch)>I really don't think you've been around them that much.I own two professional grade CRTs. They have downsides compared to LCD (biggest one being size) but they're 20 fucking years old and yet they still boast specs comparable with modern day gaymer stuff. If the tech kept being developed they'd be so fucking good by now. They'd still be bulky as fuck though, I'll admit. Only so much you can do about the deflection angle.
>>79684719>EVERYONE that is/was a professional switched from CRT to LCDNot people that had to deal with high quality shit, PVM/BVMs lasted quite a while since there was no real replacement. General companies sure replaced them for obvious reasons and consumers were just dumb in general. If you wanted quality there was no replacement until Plasma came around.
>>79678886Why the fuck CRTs cannot output to the entire monitor correctly?
>>79684861Gotta position it manually. Guy who took that pic just didn't bother.
>>79684861its a pain to position it then have it reset if you unplug it
>>79684659https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSvFsXYQoIImagine watching AIR with a 140khz AdobeRGB 22" Diamondtron. This guy's living the dream.
>>79684861See those icons on the bottom? They all have scroll wheels behind them. With them you have to set the image size and position manually, and usually have to change them for every different resolution. Newer CRTs that had built in software had those controls in the on screen display and tried to be more smart about image size.
>>79684824>If the tech kept being developed they'd be so fucking good by now.-Geometry issues 99.9999% solved-Possibly ridiculous contrast if haloing effect was mitigated-Over 300KHz horizontal refresh-Extremely high dot pitch, comparable to modern day high DPI monitors-Absurd vertical refresh, over 500Hz is likelyDid I miss any?
>>79684892>his CRT has an OSD>his CRT doesnt save the settingslol
>>79684876>>79684910I know that you've do it manually. My question is why isn't this done automatically?
>>79684940>why isn't this done automatically?Probably could've been if anybody had developed CRTs past 2004.
>>79682051This but just beat it lol
>>79684940Because old CRTs like that are dumb and dont have any software inside. Also they were budget ones even when new.
>>79684683a CRT specced for running at 16k 85Hz would be able to do 1080p 510Hz>>79684914you missed>more advanced circuitry able to adjust for loss of focus caused by extreme deflection angles meaning that CRTs can be a less deep while retaining sharp picture (still bulky but able to fit nicely on 95% of desks no issue)>>79684908I'm so insanely jealous...
>>79684940>>79684947I actually have a high-end CRT from 2000 that does have auto adjustment, I've never actually tried it tho! I wonder how poor of a job it does ..
>>79684940Some later ones come with presets, but you still have to adjust if you go for custom resolutions. Probably due their analog nature
>>79679982I have those speakers, they were pretty good.
>>79684993>>79684940You'd need some kind of feedback to let the electronics know of the beam position on the phosphors. If you actually are able to know this, you could have built maskless CRTs. Indextrons were an attempt at it, but they kinda sucked.
>>79684970>I'm so insanely jealous...I'm not.
>>79685104garauntee that's not the fault of the monitor, I've literally never seen a CRT do this.
>>79679003Now show the VA's motion clarity.
>>79685104>>79685147It makes sense, it's even written down in the user manual.Making those extremely narrow phosphors had tradeoffs in early 2000s. Bet we could have fixed this by today.
>>79682247Why did this tech failed?
>>79685177Because LCD is insanely cheaper and simpler
>>79685196Not only that but you run into some of the same limitations of CRTs, like low brightness
>>79685179You see this in modern widegamut monitors that have backlight strobing. Any monitors with LG Nano IPS has a long red phosphor decay time, leading to utterly terrible strobing performance
>>79685177Because they didn't call it SCEED
>>79685177Because a company no one knows sued Toshiba for stealing an important part of the tech that makes SED work.And then LCD became cheap. SED would likely have replaced Plasma instead of LCD.Also thanks for reminding me again. Jerk.
Another CRT thread hits the bump limit
>>79685177Google it, TLDR: legal bullshit and when shit was solved it was too late, Canon was already dying.
>>79679820no anon it was 15.56
>>79685173Huh, interesting.I take it this was just an issue on this specific monitor and perhaps a few others? Never noticed artifacting like that on any of my CRTs in person or when I film them, I assume they have quite balanced phosphor persistence time.>>79685223>limitations of CRTs, like low brightnessgive credit where it's due, CRTs only illuminate a small portion of their screens at a time since they have a rolling strobe, but that portion is incredibly bright for an instant. When LCDs strobe with the same persistence as a CRT they're WAY dimmer since the backlights don't go bright enough for the brief time they're on.
https://shop.xgaming.com/products/tri-mode-crt-arcade-monitorIt seems that for the "low" price of $600.00 you can get a brand new low resolution CRT monitor.
>>79684970Electron beams can only move in straight lines anon. You can't bend it to reach impossible distances.
>>79684861Because that's some unironically vintage shit that has fucking KNOBS to adjust geometry. Probably doesn't even do multiscan let alone DDI.
>>79685294I've heard some Trinitrons have a slightly slower green as well, likely all monitors have some lack of balance, but since all those phosphors decay with a sub-ms half life, it's near impossible to notice.>>79684970>>79685361You'd have to have an insanely sharp focus to reduce the oval effect at extreme deflection. Monitor surfaces get flatter but the beam hits at even larger of an angle, very unpractical, maybe impossible to really fix.
>>79684975Mine has that too. It's shit because it only works with preprogrammed resolutions like 640x480, 800x600, etc.
>>79684813>CRT>emits X-ray radiationOkay...
>>79685177Because it's the same shit as LCD but with tiny CRTs as the pixels.>sample and hold>must scale low resolutions (introduces uneven scaling)>b-but muh thin!!!!
>>79685361>Electron beams can only move in straight lines anon.CRTs literally work by deflecting electrons with electromagnets. They don't just travel in a straight line from the electron guns. Of course there's physical limits on how steep of a deflection angle you can achieve and the more you push it the worse focus becomes but with some clever circuitry I imagine the latter problem could be improved upon a bit and an inch or two could be shaved off of CRTs depth.
>>79685451>Because it's the same shit as LCD but with tiny CRTs as the pixels.dumbest post itt
>>79684940How exactly do you propose the monitor adjust itself? It has absolutely no way of knowing where the edges of the image are on the screen.
>>79685428Oh, so it's more like just a one-click adjustment reset>>79685450An Xray emitter works by blasting electrons at a metal plate in a vacuum .. Exactly what a CRT does. CRTs of course have extreme shielding and emergency circuitry to protect from any real emissions to outside world, but it's not really false.Rest of the chart is full of bullshit and half-thruts too >risk of burn in>crt: high>oled: mediumtop kek
>>79685477Look at the image >>79685177 and tell me that's not the case.
>>79678886looks good to me
>>79685494>no backlight>no liquid crystals>same principles as CRTlooks like a flat CRT to me desunothing like LCD, I don't see how it'd even be possible to make it sample-and-hold.
CRTbros... I dont feel so good...
>>79685569>image taken with a static cameraplease tell me you're trolling
This CRT crushes blacks like nothing else!Left screen is a thinkpad X220 with the horrible IPS screen btw
>>79685563>don't see how it'd even be possible to make it sample-and-hold.Regular CRTs have a steady beam from the singular electron gun and is driven by the analog video signalSED uses a matrix of electron guns essentially and they would have to be addressed in some way
>>79685607Adjust your black level (brightness), if it's maxed out, adjust G2/SCREEN voltage by caressing a potentiometer on the flyback transformer.
>>79685563There's a single electron beam sweeping the screen in a traditional CRT. The SED has a CRT for each pixel making up the display, each with its own electron gun that only shoots forward.
LCD readability test.>>79685633If I set the brightness higher I wont have muh perfect blacks anymore>adjust G2/SCREEN voltage by caressing a potentiometer on the flyback transformer.Maybe later
>>79685607>>79685661Oh also quick and dirty fix in Linux is xcalib -a -b 5There might be something equilevelant in Windows. Increasing gamma can also help, but it'll not be as nice as proper black level adjustment.
xcalib -a -b 5
>>79685661>If I set the brightness higher I wont have muh perfect blacks anymoreOops, didn't read this one. G2 adjustment wont help. Proper calibration is what you need. If you lack the hardware, try just adjusting gamma. t >>79685681
At very high ISO it is seen that even the "perfect black" CRTs arent actually black. OLED should be better.
CRT with brightness set wrong vs crappy IPS at full brightness
>>79685630>>79685648I was under the impression that SED used a matrix of electron emitters and each would address several phosphors, not one emitter for each phosphor. I figured the emitters would activate in sequence to scan across the screen in a very simar way to a CRT. When one finishes scanning a horizontal line, the one next to it starts where it left off. Maybe I'm completely misinformed on them. However there's still no backlight and no slow pixel response time like on LCD. Significantly better.
>>79685751>>79685607How black a CRT actually natively gets without crushing blacks depends a lot on the grade of the tube. High end Mitsus and particularly Trinitrons behave much better than random 15" shadowmasks.How much black level shifts globally with stuff displayed also depends a lot from tube to tube and chassis to chassis.
>>79685787Because that's what the brightness setting does. It adjusts the reference (zero) voltage, which can be above the point where nothing is lit.
>>79685831>When one finishes scanning a horizontal line, the one next to it starts where it left off.No. It is quite literally a matrix of CRTs, all of them are individually addressed. The only advantage here would be true blacks due to pixels being able to turn completely off. The lack of rolling scan means it must use the sample and hold method which is what gives LCD/LED/any other matrix-based display its lag and blur.
>>79685832This one is a samsung shadow mask from 1994>>79685841On this crt the contrast wheel goes from literally nothing but black to a normal picture. The brightness just adds brightness but also makes the blacks grey.Dont think its related to its age, the monitor behaved exactly like this when I got it 20 years ago
>>79678850crt niggeres are cucks
>>79685874Plasmas aren't sample&hold. There's nothing preventing you from making them short persistence.
>>79685874I see, but surely it wouldn't be difficult to have each single pixel CRT in the matrix emit just very briefly and in sequence to emulate traditional CRT rolling scan behaviour?
>>79685914This is what microLED will do.
>>79685751>>79685787Either a really bad CRT or calibrated wrong. Here's my old Moto G3 (IPS) and my shitty Samsung CRT at 100% brightness
>>79685923God i hope not. I dont want to look at flickering shit ever again.
>>79685936It'll be an option kinda like how ULMB is optional. By default it'll behave like a LCD with all the LEDs lit up all the time.
>>79685931Nice halos. As i said its not visible in real life. My pics were taken with a DSLR.Some oled screens also are never completely black by the way, it's just way less noticeable than with LCDs.
>>79685929Mouth not opened wide enough.
>>79685897>This one is a samsung shadow mask from 1994Pretty impressive actually>The brightness just adds brightness but also makes the blacks grey.Yea totally normal.>>79685931Read his post? High ISO?In a pitch black room, adjust your brightness so it has no black crush, and display pure black. Your eyes will pick up on the slightly elevated black level, no matter how nice of a tube you have.
>>79685963Not to mention the thick-ass glass will diffuse any light from the screen and ruin contrast ratio.O/Micro LED does not have this problem.
>>79685923I hope so, but that'll be in 20 years when μLED is actually available in consumer monitors...
>>79685963Alternatively, open up mspaint and make half the image #000000. Make the other half #010101 and see if you can adjust it such that you can see the #010101 half but not the pure black half.You most likely won't be able to, even on a trinitron meme.
>>79685954The halos are barely there when at sane brightness, but yeah, the screen is never 100% black unless I drop the brightness to uncomfortable levels. It's a bit more bright when compared to my AMOLED phone at the same brightness.
I have found that through my DP->VGA display adapter xcalib -b is able to increase brightness of almost-blacks without increasing the luminosity of true 100% black meaning I can fix black crush without breaking blacks. I first though it would add gradient banding or something but I haven't noticed any...
>>79686086That's very cool, I need to try that. The more traditional way is to calibrate your monitor and use video card LUTs to do this.>gradientsCheck xrandr dithering settings, I remember seeing something there. DACs in GPUs tend to be 10bit so have extreme flexibility in this regard, but I doubt your external DAC is one.
>>79686086What CRTs are you guys using
>>79686168I have a Lacie Electron 22 Blue II and an Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454The latter suffers from pretty bad black crush without software adjustment, despite being quite a bit brighter than the Lacie.
>>79685936>I want to look at blurry, shitty monitors forever because I'm retarded
>>79686168Flatron 995FT+. Needs some work, convergence and purity issues. Hopefully I'll be able to find somebody who can cap it, if not I might chance it myself.
>>79685569make sure the refresh rate of the monitor is set to 60, if it's higher it doesn't look right
>>79686168Currently in my room, NEC MultiSync FE1250, Fujitsu C900 and Fujitsu ICL ErgoPro x173.The NEC is what I daily, lovely monitor.
>>79686201I have a vision master pro 17 but the last time I took it out of storage it didnt work well any more. Every few seconds the whole picture got too bright and blurry and the crt made a similar clicking noise to when it is turned on. >>79686237That screen doesn't even support refresh rates above 72Hz. made that pic with a deliberately too long exposure time.
>>79686270>Every few seconds the whole picture got too bright and blurry and the crt made a similar clicking noise to when it is turned on.I'm no technician but sounds like a PSU issue. Check your B+ ... or let someone actually qualified test it if you dont want to kill yourself
>>79686270sounds like the ABL control is out of whack or something, maybe a blown capacitor?also the exposure time is fine, looks to have captured about 4 frames which would be about perfect if you were doing a proper pursuit cam
>>79680700Goodwill actually stopped accepting crts. Only Salvation Amry has them.
>>79686391>Goodwill actually stopped accepting crtsnot true. you can still find them every now and then
wow, thanks crts, very coolhttps://youtu.be/gKRY2U_N9XI
>>79686168Mitsubishi DP2060U. It's a good one, on par with FD Trinitron but doesn't have overbright screen after a cold boot.
>>79686517THIS IS PORN ANON
>>79686627Yea that's something Ive noticed with Mitsubishi tubes, they spring to life very fast and have very stable black level in 10 seconds. Really cool.
>>79686517oh god I'm gonna coom>>79686715I wish that was true for my 454very true for my lacie though :)
>>79686715Sony put a "feature" in their PC CRT monitors that ramps up the brightness on a cold boot to compensate for the warmup time but forgot to factor in the aging of the tube.
>>79686517>96 kilograms of pure quality
>>79687005Now that's more like it!