Please don't fuck up the HoF editionThis thread is for the discussion of portable media players and in-ear monitors.•/iemg/ Recommends Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/8jg6z0gG•IEM reviewers and other sources Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/FKrNpuwQ•Why use a PMP instead of a phone?>better DAC/AMP>more output power so it can drive more high-end headphones>smaller sizes than phones for activities like exercise>physical buttons>headphone jacks>some people can't use smartphone at work/use dumbphones/iemg/ Hall of Fame:• Tin Audio T2/T4• Blon BL03• Ikko OH10• Etymotic ER2SE/ER2XR• Moondrop Starfield• Moondrop Blessing 2 / S8• ThieAudio Monarch• The one you enjoy using/pmp/ Hall of Fame:• Hiby R3 Pro / Pro Saber• Sony NW-ZX300• Cowon Plenue D• Sansa Clip / Sansa Clip Fuze / Sansa Clip+• Cayin n6II A0X/T0X/E0XExtensive guide: https://imgur.com/a/1zzrtZDPlease share your /iems/ and /pmps/ together for the next OP!How to request advice:>Budget>Source (phone or PMPs)>Location>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)>Sound Signature (or genres you like, important!)>Past gear and your thoughts on them (important!)Previous >>79607292
>>79659586>budget200-300$>sourcephone>locationRussia>Kindiems>Signaturewarm>phone box iemspleamse help
>>79659730Etys er4p. Will probably take your ear virginity tho
>HoF fixed Finally
I will never thank enough the anon that recommended me the magaosi K5. Also known as nicehck HC5, yinyoo H5 and shozy Neo BG.That thing sounds pretty good regardless of the price and has perfect ergonomics.Warm neutral tuning with great details and accurate mids. It does need a very low Impedance source and cable to not sound sharp.I think to find the right tips should help as well but the included one are pretty good.The cons though: no bass slam, very sensitive, mmcx connection aren’t the best quality.
Are the KZ ZS10 Pro still recommended?
>>79660672>Neo BGMan those look sexy ngl. I always liked the way shozy build their iems
>>79660851Yeah well you can have the same iem for a 1/3 of the price but the look of yinyoo/nicehck is quite cringe.
>>79660842They're quite good for 50$, why not
>>79659960Since he said warm, the ER4XR might be a better fit. Though I'd say go for something like the Moonderp B2 or Thieaudio L5.
>>79660672considering cringeacle gave it one star as shozy bg which is severely overpriced at $280, I wonder how many he would've given a regular priced model. My yinyoo h5 cost me $110
>>79659586Why are so many people against N6II being in HoF?
true wireless any good yet or still too early? =<150 or so
>>79662535What's so good about it?
>>79662556come back in 10 years
>>79662613really that bad?
>>79662618$300 tws sound worse than $5 mh755 or $30 kzs, go figure
>>79662618sound is bad to mediocre. battery life is a joke. pairing headaches are more than twice as bad. latency is catastrophic.
>>79662589Fast, compared to other android playersSwappable mobosBig battery, quick charging Mostly that, sound is subjective. But does it really matter? Things like sansa clip are just cheap yet they deserve to be in HoF for some reason. And plenue D? At least 3 people here own N6II and like it, does anyone own plenue D? I haven't meet anyone.
>>79662750My phone is also snappy, has fast charging and its battery lasts for a while. And most of all it doesn't cost 1200 fucking dollars and can do more than only play music. You've been snake oiled.
>>79662535Probably because it doesn't look as good in photos, so it's hard to flex. This general and many others are filled with style over substance.
>>79659730Mangird Tea or Thieaudio L5 probably
I see the Revonext QT2S in the pastebin, is that still the recommended iem in the below 50 range with decent bass?
>>79663133Many people have had them break down in very little time, it's only in there to appease Zishan. Though yes, when they do work people say that they have huge nigga bass.
>>79663133Steer clear, they have massive quality control issues.
just got my soundmagic e11c's and spent the last 30 minutes getting mad the volume was lower on the left one, before realizing it was the front audio jack on the computer that i never usehappy with the sound though, was looking for some decent cheap ones
>>79662926>and can do more than only play musicSo does N6II. It also has way better audio hardware than your phone does.
Let me guess, you need ""more""
>>79663400Yes. My TFZ no3 has been shipped, here's hoping they are more than the blons as numerous reviews suggested.
>>79663433Which ones did you get? I saw that the ugly black ones were cheaper, which does make them a compelling offer even with the TFZ QC and ugly shells.
>>79663910ugly black ones were 55 bucks vs $80 for less ugly transparent shell so uhhhh the black onesare you insinuating that QC is worse on the 19th model than the original?
>>79659586I own the KZ-ZS10 PROs but I want something nicer a little bit more high end, what should I get?
>>79659586Thanks very much to the anon who recommended the earfun frees! Solid build quality, good buttons, clear sound, very long battery and bluetooth range. Really enjoying them, I’ll think I’ll always be sticking to wireless for earbuds now.Have had zero problems other than a bit of white noise. It’s only slightly noticeable when I’ve paused audio and then it disappears after a few seconds, I assume this is normal?
>>79663984No just in general the QC seems mediocre, I don't think that the cheap ones will absolutely have worse QC.
>>79664162Yes I've heard about quality issues from multiple sources, but hey, what am I to do? They have no competition as far as bassy sub 100$ iems go.
>>79664210Yeah that's right and not like other stuff in the price range like Blons, KZ's, TRN's, Tin's, etc. have significantly better QC.
>>79663400Let me guess, you're jealous that I have more.
>>79664104I was looking at the earfun free pros myself. I need something wireless for at the gym. If anyone else can vouch for these I'd be interested in hearing, I only read the review on scarbir
>>79662535I have it, exchanged my dx220 for it and never looked back. Way more "musical".I know it's subjective.Don't particularily care for it being in the hof.
>>79662641>$300 tws sound worse than $5 mh755 or $30 kzs,Seriously? Jesus christ why
>>79663174>>79663191That's sad. What else can you recommend for oh, up to $100 maybe?
>>79664677they spend all the money on the shitty electronics
>>79663453sometimes sacrifices must be made
>>79664083Basically Soviet engineering with direct access to Chinese manufacturing. No nonsense high end DAC at an affordable price. Check it.
>budget$300 (but flexible)>sourcedesktop pc>sound signatureU shape. More bass than treble, low mids. See also: pic related>past gearI have what I believe to be a godly setup. I have tried shure SE215 and ATH-M50, and they were both shit. What I use instead are skullcandy ink'd 2 earbuds with an equalizer. I know it seems kind of stupid, but trust me on this one. You can try this setup for yourself. Buy a pair for $22, download equalizerAPO and peace, and then set your eq like pic related. The only downside is that you have to raise your system volume all the way to 30 or 40.The ink'd 2's are getting harder to come by, and I'm afraid they'll get discontinued any one of these days. So I need to find an adequate replacement. I need something with amazing isolation, perfect bass response (with a range of 25 - 100 Hz), and good response for frequencies above that. Active noise cancellation is a dealbreaker.
>>79665276you don't need such a dac for a high sensitivity IEM like Magaosi K5 silly
>>79665382>raise your system volume all the way to 30 or 40those numbers aren't meaningful. they depend on the headphone amplifier in your PC.
>>79663191>>79663174>>79665276maybe you guys can say something to my question >>79664021
>>79660672What music player are you using?
>>79665830Budget, source?ZAX has the same tuning with upgraded drivers, but there are smoother tuning options available for a bit more, like Etymotic er2xr, or Thieaudio Legacy 3
>>79665979if the ZAX is like the ZSX, it's definitely not as comfortable as the ZS10 Pros and the bass is not as present. If it's something else altogether disregard my comment
>>79664489Same anon, but I can recommend these for the gym. Have tried running and dancing like a madman without them falling loose.
hello iemg/pmp long time no seedoes zishan still post here?
uh I'm A/Bing cd audio on my old ass sound blaster live vs the dock on my laptop and the sblive is louder, punchier, more detailed, and sounds like instruments are being blasted around my room. is this 20+ year old sound hardware really that good or does modern shit just suck?
>>79667434it's not that great, but yeah, the audio interface in your laptop dock is trash. they shouldn't have even wasted the two dollars they spent putting it in there on it.
What's a good cheap earphone I can buy in bulk from AliExpress? I want passable quality, not the 1usd quality shit.
>>79665385 K5 is 22ohm-120db, i know it can be perfectly driven by any consumer phone. I don't use this dongle because of the power, but because it sounds good.>>79665915Odyssey, it's on the f-droid store. A bit barebones but very fast.
>>79667796Probably Stellars, Monks, or whatever else uses those old, generic shells and gets talked about. Koss makes prison headphones if you are trying to outfit a classroom or something.
>>79663400Anon how are female vocals on these? I'm considering picking them up on drop.
>>79659730Warm Neutral = Gr07 classic/ bass editionWarm V-shape = TFZ No. 3>>79659960>ER4P>>79661875>B2>>79662978>Teawtf is with this thread
Who has heard audiosense DT100 or DT200? They seems interesting.
Imagine having numerous DAP’s and filling them all with nothing but uncompressed PCM file collections.
>>79669479t. karlheinz stockhausen
>>79669528Na, this guy:https://youtu.be/75ScYe4yV7o
>>79669655i can't find a source for it now, and i'm afraid it might have been one of my professors like 15 years ago who knew him, but i was told that stockhausen bought ipods and filled them with AIFF files, and just bought more ipods when he ran out of space.
What's the best music player app on android? Currently using musicolet
>>79669700Well there weren’t many other options for formats back then.But that guy I linked in 2021 even with all his gear and DAP’s is unironically doing and recommending that.
>>79670114nah, AAC was there from launch.
>>79670185Which is lossy. I meant there weren’t that many lossless options supported by the iPod.
Are Etymotic IEMs the only ones that explicitly target diffuse field?
>>79669655The absolute state of apple drones
>>79669722I use foobar to stream the songs from my pc. Otherwise, I use phonograph.
>>79668466They are fine. Not outstanding but still good enough for me. I don't need more.
>>79667150you seem to be bothered by my presence
>you seem to be bothered by my presence
>>79670307Dunu Luna and Zen and NF Audio NM2+ are all close to DF midrange, with some variation on bass approach.
>>79670307Etymotic technically isn't diffuse field, it's their own neutral target based on a listening room. Something like Moondrop SSR would be closer to DF.
>>79659586Hey, /g/entlemen,So, I'm a casual with this stuff, but I'm looking for a cheaper MP3 player. It doesn't need to be high end as I have some pretty nasty hearing damage and headphones like the Samson SR850 are perfectly fine for me. The one thing I'm concerned with is I enjoy Spotify and I've found a lot of music from it. Is there anything that's compatible with it? I generally try not to use my phone as I'm in the medical field and work long shifts. Thank you for your time.
Do any two IEMs with the same frequency response sound the same? If not, why? Are those differences that exist outside of the FR chart measurable in some way?
>>79672746they will still have different timbre (two different voices don't sound the same at the same freq) and technicalities (driver speed etc)
>>79659586Moondrop-chan a cute!
>>79673691STOP shilling moonshit.
>>79673897why anon, they have good headphones
Do not warry
>>79674367>straight plugInto the trash. They all last a maximum of 1 year for me.
>>79674534I mean I wouldn't get this one even if it didn't have a straight plug. It's way too expensive and pretty gay.
>>79674820It's not that bad, I imagine it'd go well with something like Shozy Rouge. I don't subscribe to faggots claiming rainbow colours or transvestites claiming violet hues for themselves, and you shouldn't too.
>>79674908I get what you're saying, but I often use IEMs on public transport and I'm not fashionable or confident enough to pull that off.
>>79674367the green is so fucking ugly
Best foam tips for the shitty short tubes on cheap Bluetooth buds?
Do you guys use extra strain relief on your cables? If so, could you suggest some good ones?
How do iPod Classics fare sound quality wise compared to contemporary entry pmps like Shanling M0?
>>79675240That depends, do you know the width of the nozzle on the earphones and do you still want to be able to charge them without taking off the tips?
>>79660672Greetings fellow K5-chad, what tips are those?
>>79675670Not that anon but I'm 100% certain they're Xelastecs.
>>79675693t.hankshave you tried them? how are they compared to cp100 or jvc spiral dots?
Is it normal that my moondrop starfields started turning purple? I've been using them for < 10 months daily.
>>79675743Its paint is oxidizing, in other words they're telling you it's time to step up to Tanchjim Oxygen
>>79675743depending on the lighting, they will look more purplish or more greenish.
>>79675743There's still paint on them left? That's very strange.
>>79665382why don't you just find a seller and stock up on em if they're $22 and you love them
Whats the cheapest I can get a single pair of xelastecs for in the UK?And how long do they last on average?
>>79675727I haven't tried the Spiral dots, but they're even more comfortable than Spinfit CP100/CP145, much more comforable than the clear Final E tips and the Azla Sedna Earfit Light tips. They're also verry grippy and slightly sticky which can be very useful. The biggest drawback they have is because they are made of a thermoplasic material they will keep the shape of your ear after you pull them out when you have worn them for long enough, this can lead to them folding in on themselves. When this happens you need to flip the flange inside out and put them in a bowl with warm water for a while so them can assume a more normal shape again.If you can live with the price and this one drawback they are worth it.
>>79676442Afaik they aren't sold as singular pairs, but Linsoul sells 2 for 19$ with free worldwide shipping. They should last longer than foam tips, but probably won't last as long as well build silicone tips?
>>79676482Sounds enticing, thanks. From my experience wide bore tips always sound better no matter the iem, so gotta give them a try.
>>79676542foams usually last me 1-2 months, how much longer would xelastecs last?
Behold, we're the triumvirate of blandness.
>>79676562I honestly have no idea, I have only heard of one person in this thread who broke a pair while trying to fix a fold in hot water. But because they haven't been out for all that long, less than a year I believe, and because they're a niche premium product there isn't much info on the lifespan of them yet from what I can find.
>>79676631Do note that quite a few people here have ordered them right after they came out and have been using them since. So I suspect a pair could probably last at least 9-12 months if you take good care of them, maybe longer.
>>79662535Only one person has posted it and I’m assuming he’s the one who put it on the HOF
>>79672746There are differences that can be seen in an FR graph, like attack and decay speed and isolation.Look at the TRN V90 vs IKKO OH10.
>>79672746No, different kind of drivers have different textures of sound even when producing the same fr
>>79672184Fiio M6 or just pick a pmp on the "guide" on the op that uses the Android os
>>79676415I did. The problem is their stock is many multiple years old. The rubber in the buds was really delicate and on the verge falling apart.
>>79677182Too bad the hiby r3 pro only supports tidal or it would be the default streaming dap since its not on bloated android
>>79672746FR only defines the linear response. The human ear is a poor detector of nonlinearity relative to our ability to construct "good" IEMs.Frequency response is a complete descriptor of a linear system and is equivalent to the impulse response. The frequency response has two parts: phase response and magnitude response. The latter is also known as sensitivity and not fully reported. There is not much opportunity for an IEM to sound different if you really could match the FR.Single drivers are mostly minimum phase and minimum phase response is uniquely tied to the variations of sensitivity. A possible starting point is to look into allpass phase variations, but these tend to be dominated by uncontrolled sensitivity variations.
A while ago an anon recommended me the etymotic ER2XR which I bought, and really like. But the small tips got like a kink or fold in the outermost seal, which means they a) have a hard time sealing and b) hurt cause there's now a pointy bit stabbing me. Anyone else have experience with that?
What eartips do you replace on blon bl03 guys? Forgot what it is
>>79678602Reverse KZ starline or Azla Sedna lights (not short)
>>79678602And possibly one of the spinfits, think it’s c145.
>>79678629Thanks anon. Which do u think is the best? objectively
>>79678602Spinfits CP100 or Spiral Dots or Final E. Whichever fits your budget. For starters, I'd recommend spinfits.
>>79678602What >>79678629, >>79678645 said.For Spinfits you can use CP100 or CP145, they use more comfortable silicone material than the Earfits, slightly more comfy material than inverted Starlines and their rotation thing actually improves the comfort just a bit further. The drawbacks of Spinfits are their sizing scheme is pretty weird so they may not have the right size for you, their shape isn't as good as on the Earfits, and they often fuck up the sound of IEMs so while this isn't the case with Blons you won't be using them with other IEMs.Inverted Starlines are cheap and very good for the price, the drawbacks are there's only 3 sizes Starlines available and inverting them increases their width so they may not fit you and inverting them increases their bore size so they may fall off the Blon stems unless you're putting an o-ring over them to keep them in place.Azla Sedna Earfit Lights have an amazing sizing scheme, comfortable shape and their sound works very well with a lot of IEMs, though their material is quite stiff and can be uncomfortable despite the great sizing scheme and shape.>>79679327Final E is also good
Anyone tried single BA iems? How is it?
>>79676581Boring is a good thing, you listen to the music not the earphones
>>79679476I have the Taobao ER4P clones and they're surprisingly good. There's also a few people here who have stuff like FiiO FA1's or Kbear F1's and they are generally positive about them.
>>79679376Since im already planning to buy an upgrade. What are good cable replacements for bl03?
>>79679815KBEar 4 core copper with TFZ connector from the pastebin, I have 3 of them with different connectors and they're great for the price. There's nicer and softer cables but then you need to spend at least twice as much, if you want to go that route one of the 8 or 16 core cables with the same TFZ connector also from KBEar is going to be just a bit nicer.
>>79679476NiceHCK x49, it's like a baby Tin T2.
>>79679476I want to maybe try making a single RAB-32257-P183 IEM. I read that they're one of the best bang for buck single BA's and they're also used in quite a few DIY recipes. The graph looks pretty nice even undampened, it does look like it has pretty bad treble dip and not very great extension. Though from what I understand you can use a resonator (tubing structure like used in MASM3) or resistor/capacitors (like in the ER4B/S/P) to increase the treble.Put it in one of these shells with some triple flange tips and a simple mmcx cable for a nice full package. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000194097983.html
>>79679476I love my Ultimate Ears 600, shame about the build quality though.
why the fuck are they all straight jackstart making l-plugs dumbass chinks
>>79680429KBear has L-shaped jack, usually
Final update on the KZ ZSN mod, those dampers are absolutely tiny and very flimsy. I broke one of them and then came to the conclusion that my hands aren't steady enough for this and that the tube that was supposed to go over the damper+nozzle wasn't going to fit even if I got the damper on. I'm going to harvest the drivers in these ZSN's for future projects, I wouldn't recommend trying this mod unless you have incredibly steady hands, a lot of patience and buy multiple pairs (2-4) of damper filters in case you break them.
>>79669874If you stick this in your ear you are literally subconsciously saying you want to be penetrated by BBC.
Anyone have a recommendation for a good DD iem. Cable down style preferred. Coming from er3se, want to try something a bit less neutral/harman, try some of that "fun". Pic unrelated. Delicious meat.
>>79681677Fun, i.e. a good V/U/L shape is pretty much unattainable on a single DD without sacrificing clarity and detail retrieval.
>>79681677Single DD or are hybrids also acceptable? For hybrids probably the Sony XBA-N3, Ikko OH10, or maybe the ISN D10? For single DD I only can think of Final audio E3000 (more warm bassy than v-shaped but still fun), EQ'd EX800st/EX1000, or Beyerdynamic Xelento if you have that kind of money.
>>79681839Hybrid is acceptable, but I'm considering JVC HA FDX1
>>79673897Okay, we'll go back to shilling Apple dongle dacs!
Can anyone suggest wide-bore tips? Spinfits are out of the question since I just wasted money on CP145 and it sounded clogged compared to stock, budget isn't a problem. Using Shuoer Tape Pro's, the stock tips would have been fine but they're not as soft as I'd like.
>BudgetUnder 50 but I'm willing to go higher>Source (phone or PMPs)pmp>LocationUS>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)any>Sound Signature (or genres you like, important!)balanced; classical, jazz, maybe electronic, k-pop, shoegaze>Past gear and your thoughts on them (important!)KZ SZN's are pretty great.Thank you for any recs!
>>79683459Shozy Form 1.1
>>79673897i second this moondrop its anime music tier trash tuning >>79683177> shilling Apple dongle dacs!um no seweety /iemg/ IS HIBY NOW !
>>79676581better than xba-n3ap though
tldr: should I get the Etymotic Research HF5 >Budget<= $150 USD>Source (phone or PMPs)Phone (LG V60)>LocationUSASA>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)IEM>Sound Signature (or genres you like)Neutral or Balanced. >Past gear and your thoughts on them https://www.amazon.com/1MORE-Headphones-Reproduction-Resolution-Smartphones/dp/B06XSJV5B9I had these ^ for the last couple of years. Don't know if they're bullshit or not but I enjoyed them. I haven't really tried anything else. I accidentally destroyed them recently. Looking through the guides, it seems like the Etymotic Research HF5 fits my criteria. But the guide (https://web.archive.org/web/20170809100048/https://pastebin.com/QQ4Gp7bQ) hasn't been updated for 5 years so I wanted to get your guys' thoughts. Thank you in advance.
>>79684084maybe look into tanchjim hana
Should I sell my u12t or andromeda 2020?
>>79685694sell the andro
i'm about to buy a pair of IEMs and i'm stuck between tin t2s and moondrop starfields, what are some pro/cons of each to help me decide? i'm willing to drop double the amount on starfields if they're worth it since i have some christmas gift card money left over, but i've heard the t2s are some of, if not the, best lower-cost IEMs
>>79686155starfields are objectively a better iem. whether it's worth twice the price is up to you. Personally I was not a fan of the T2. What kind of music do you listen to?
>>79686182reviews all say u12t is better
>>79686296jazz, jpop/jrock, classic rock, a pretty wide range of stuff, these would be my first iem purchase and i'll likely use them for years or until they break so i'm open to spending more on a better product
>>79659586Anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive mono MMCX cable? All I can find is one from Shure for $50.
>>79680429I have the same issue finding L-shaped trs connectors by themselves, too. The closest you get are those ones which are conjoined by that block, but there's a lot of overhead from where the jact connects and the housing itself, so it kind of defeats the point.
>>79687753Might as well make them yourself if you're expecting something that specific.
Is fiio tws adapters doomed to look like hearing aids? I love the idea but they are hella ugly.
Bought some starfields. They sound great especially with a hidizs on my phone.I don't like the silicon tips though. I very much prefer foam. What are some good ones that I can easily buy in aus?
What are some IEMs that are great for running? Over the ear style, low microphonics, good isolation, and a small housing with good fit are all desirable. I've been trying to use my ER3SE but even with the shirt clip there's still a bit of cable noise.>inb4 wirelessno
>>79688450ali has some cheapo foams that work okhttps://www.aliexpress.com/i/32740945931.htmlhonestly you're better off getting used to silicon tips, they're much better imoi had problems with them too but i got used to wearing them after a couple of days
>>79688450Try the Symbio W hybrid. Really comfortable.
Was about to buy a Sonata dongle until I stumbled upon this. Is this any good?
>>79689550I have heard people call them a mini BTR5, I haven't tried them myself though.
>>79688450I second the Anjirui's and that silicone tips sound better. If you have only tried stock silicone tips I'd recommend the Final E tips, they have normal sizes and are very soft.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32749908913.htmlhttps://www.mtmtaudio.com/products/final-e-type-single-flange-silicon-eartips-3-pairs-with-case-for-in-ear-monitor-iem-earphone-2020-new-version
Has anyone tried the misodiko tips from aliexpress? The ones that are fake symbios.
>>79681677Tanchjim hana is the best harman tuned dd on the market
>>79681677>>79689854Sorry i meant oxygen* tanchjim oxygen
>>79689822I tried their triple flanges, those were pretty good. I assume their Symbio clones can't be that bad.
>>79689854>>79689865He did say that he wanted to try something that was more fun than neutral or Harman. Maybe the Kbear Believe, somebody here said that they're like a more U-shaped Oxygen.
>>79689943From what I've read KBear Believe only sound "good" on a powerful amp and after a copious amount of burn-in. The latter especially is a red flag to me because burn-in is a literal mental cope with shitty sound, good IEMs sound great out of the box.
>budget~100$>sourcephone [spoiler] LG v20 [/spoiler]>locationRussia>kindIEM. preferably with detachable cable>signatureneutral, I think [spoiler] metal, classic, opera, talk podcasts, electronic [/spoiler]>past gearsoundmagic e10 for 6 years. nice sound, but I don't have experience with anything else.thank you
>>79690242ER2XR if you can find them for that price, otherwise maybe the iBasso IT00 even though it's a mild v-shape I think it would fit your music taste.
>>79690263I'm not helping a retard who uses spoiler tags for non-spoilers as a stylistic choice and fails at that even because he's that much of a retard.
so for real this time is it this shitty pmp that causes the hiss in my iems or is it my iems being too low impedance or just cheap?
>>79690720If it has hiss during quiet parts of songs or when it isn't playing then your iems are too sensitive for your shitty pmp. To have hiss in iems you have to find some real garbage.
Hello, I was redirected from a thread I made about this form factor. Basically I've been buying these for almost a decade. Once I found them I couldn't go back or towards anything else, I love how things sound(ed) on it. A few years ago I saw they stopped making them, so I bought all the units they had, but today my second-to-last pair broke, and when I opened the last one it was defective, and I don't know what to do. All I can find are offers for x4 the price that will take a month to get here.>BudgetIrrelevant if I can find something similar for keeps>Source (phone or PMPs)Phone and PC>LocationGermany>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)Pic-related>Sound Signature (or genres you like, important!)Good question, but I don't have the knowledge to describe them. In comparison to even much higher range Sony, Panasonic, and Philips headphones I had before, these had much clearer sound and there were notes and sounds I couldn't hear before, so I guess that counts as clarity. I listen to a lot of genres, so not sure how that would help>Past gear and your thoughts on them (important!)Considering how long I've been using them, I assume mentioning older stuff I used to use wouldn't be of help. I can't use diadem-like headphones, make my head hurt, and anything "more" in-ear than pic related is extremely bothersome.Any advice please? Right now looking through 100+ pages in amazon, everything with a similar form factor is cheap (below 20€).
What's the upgrade from tin t2
>>79691461What about 30 - 50 price range
>>79691372I hope you haven't thrown all those earbuds away, usually when they break only the cable breaks and you could still reshell the drivers. Just take them apart, find what damping and venting they use and put the drivers in aliexpress shells with similar venting.Otherwise while I'm not an earbud guy, I'm fairly certain that these are the current earbud memes, I'd try these if I were you.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001412843314.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/32806045266.html
any cheapo iem with good/great isolation? not that concerned about sound as long as its not bad
>>79691605What would you define as cheapo? I'd pick something unvented like an all BA IEM in the very least, but Etymotics or Ety clones would have the highest isolation. It's also dependent on the tips you use, which will be limited to Anjirui foam tips or any triple flange tips.Here's some options: KBEar F1 ~$20, Taobao ER4P Clones ~$60, FiiO FA1 ~$90, >>79660672, maybe Shure SE215 ~$70 if you want a bit more bass.
>>79691687Oh and obviously the ER2XR
>>79691582Thanks. I haven't thrown any away, precisely because the only issue (and it's always the same) is that one of the sides dies due to a cable malfunction near the jack, probably due to stress. Is re-shelling relatively difficult? I will order both earbuds.
>>79691372Yeah get a soldering iron and some diy cable on aliexpress and you are good to go.Normally the shell should be able to clip away. I have recabled vido myself.Cheap earbuds with decent build quality on aliexpress are the Faaeal snow lotus and yincrow x6 (it's a rebranded vido with better cable.)
>>79692190You could also recable or cable mod them if you manage to open them up without destroying the shells entirely.How to recable an MH1, but process will be similar: https://handtokey.blogspot.com/2014/05/sony-mh1-recable-by-luisdent-tutorial.htmlHow to cable mod KPH30i's, again process will be somewhat similar: https://forum.hifiguides.com/t/koss-kph30i-detachable-cable-mod-v2/10273Reshelling is probably easier since you don't have to worry about breaking the shells, but will fuck with the sound unless you find the exact same shells, like Oratory1990 said in this reddit thread. /r/headphones/comments/6xoi2l/diy_earbud_reshell/
>>79691532you wan't a t2 upgrade that's cheaper than t2?
>>79669874BumpWho has tried the final audio f3100 and f4100
>Budget50-500€>Source (phone or PMPs)E1DA 9038s>LocationChifi store>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)In-ears, specifically looking for a full BA iems set in semi-custom resin shell. This is my favorite form factor so far.>Sound Signature (or genres you like, important!)Roughly Harman neutral>Past gear and your thoughts on them (important!)Magaosi K5 - too 2D stage, I want more depth and better bass resolution. Also the plastic timbre is bothersome sometimes.Ikko OH10 - mids too recessed and sound unnatural.Blon B03 - Great tuning and tonality but not resolving enough to keep things exciting. Too slow.KPE - I hated the build and form factor: condensation issues, nozzle is too deep. sounded nice for the small time it worked fineWhat I am eyeing at the moment:Audiosense DT100: single Knowles BA harman seems interesting but I'm worried my expectations won't be met with a budget iem like thatThieAudio Legacy 4: Some say it's pretty good, some say it's lacking in technicalities. I don't want something less resolving than the K5.Dunu SA6: Seems almost perfect but the price is steep. It better be really good.Moondrop S8: Same as Dunu. Not sure if its worth it over the Dunu.
>>79692406Genuinely curious why'd you consider audiosense dt100 if there isn't a single review or measurement of them out yet.
>>79692406While I think that the S8 probably fits your sound preference the best, since you want something with soundstage and I heard that the S8 doesn't have great soundstage it's probably not worth it.Dunu SA6 isn't exactly Harman, but probably pretty close and they seem like they're a good deal for the price.L4 seems like it has a good tuning, but since I have herd people say the L3 doesn't have the greatest resolution I doubt one extra BA is going to fix that in the L4.Audiosense DT100, I don't really trust the brand as their products have mixed reviews with completely different reactions.Why not consider the B2: Dusk? Even Aminus likes them and gives them the default recommendation for the price range and he's really not that positive about most iems. Sure they have slightly less bass than Harman, but when comparing them to all BA iems following the Harman curve it can't be off that far.
>>79693082A man's gotta eat.
>>79693082>Even Aminus likes them
>>79683280Azla sedna light
Redpill me on the Shanling Q1.
Should I get a pair of KZ AS06's and harvest the drivers for a DIY? I mean even if they're knockoffs cheaper than bellsings you can't argue with 4 CI-22955's and 2 ED-29689's for less than $30.I was thinking of putting the CI's in series and put dual or triple yellow dampers on them by either stretching the tube over both nozzles or buying one of those adaptors to put two tubes together. Then putting a resistor in series with the ED and putting a single red damper on that. Finally have the ED and dual CI in parallel with eachother. I'm hoping that would give me somethin close to a bass boosted ER4.
MonarchsBlessing 2 DuskWhich has better instrument separation, clarity, detail? I seem to value that over anything
>>79695874Monarchs but keep in mind they're even larger than the B2
The more I'm reading about chink player the more I'm starting to believe that this is a better option.
>>79692353I paid 30 euros for the Tim t2 I use right now
>>79696359The more I'm reading about pmps the more I think my phone is enough. Both have android, so both can play any format.
>>79696686A phone is-bulky-has little to no physical buttons-most of the time has a shitty underpowered DAC if it has a mini jack at all-I hope you're not suggesting using a fucking dongle, that's embarrassing-you will get distracted with calls and notifications
>>79696721>-bulkyLike some pmps. And for people who are into cassette players it's not a big deal.>-has little to no physical buttonsDon't care about that. Only need the volume buttons and they can be programmed to skip when help. Most pmps also have no buttons.>-most of the time has a shitty underpowered DAC if it has a mini jack at allMine has a jack and even HD Bluetooth. not sure what DAC, but I play DSD and FLAC files and I'm happy.>-I hope you're not suggesting using a fucking dongle, that's embarrassingNah. Buying a phone with no jack is retarded. There's no need to remove it.>-you will get distracted with calls and notificationsI keep it on silence/airplane mode. Also hardly get any notifications and calls since deleting all social media.
>>79696872>just do all this extra shit that makes your phone worse and then it'll be a passable DAPogey
I was recommended the FiiO FH3 because I wanted something for electronic music with lots of bass. How come there isn't any bass at all unless I use an equaliser? They sound better but not a lot compared to my Sony XB50. Am I doing something wrong? I tried different tips but not much change. I feel like I wasted 140 bucks....
>>79697156You need a mental burn-in of 50 hours.
>>79697177Alright I will see how they are after a weeks of use. At least they are way more comfortable than any other earbuds I have had before
>>79696990What do you mean worse? How is a fast processor, HD Bluetooth, aux port, any player you like including FiiO music, 128GB of internal memory, micro SD card and the lack of distractions bad? You also have access to things a pmp doesn't, like camera and 4G.
>>79697523i want to hear notifications from my phone and have a working volume button. i want to use apps to talk to people. your suggestions are insane. i just have a DAP and it's an easy solution.
>>79697538>i want to hear notifications from my phoneI don't.>>79697538>have a working volume buttonMine has those.>>79697538>i want to use apps to talk to peopleI use Signal only, but only answer when I check my phone. The notifications are silent.>>79697538>your suggestions are insane. i just have a DAP and it's an easy solution.They're not. But whatever makes you happy.
Just got these in today. Left is for my cheap cassette player.
>>79697840since I'm still using my phone as my DAP for now, I just repurposed my old gameboy sp case back from when pokemon emerald dropped by retrofitting the molding for the tins to fit inside the new case.
>>79697926forgot to post the pic cause im a dumbass
>>79697156Either you’re not getting a proper seal or the Sony’s are proper bass head iems and >>79697177 is correct.FH3 are described as bassy compared to a neutral reference point, but compared to consumer tunings (Beats, your Sony etc) they are definitely not.
>>79689943>>79690023Im the guy who said they were Oxygen tier with mid bass boost.They do not need burn in, and they sound good on my phone (e1da better, admittedly).For some reason a bunch of gatekeeping twats came out of the woodwork to tell everyone they needed a 1w amp to listen to them. Ignore, they are great, ridiculously detailed.
>>79697840So how do they sound?
>>79691372Take a peek at the earbud thread on headi. Otherwise the KBear stellars are a safe buy but they use an MX500 shell (sennheiser MX500 shell) which is a bit bulkier than the MX375.
PLEASE HELP MY TIP IS STUCK IN MY EAR
>>79699420Get some tweezers and a mirror. I've only needed help getting them out twice from the dozens of times I wanted to try wide stem tips on smooth nozzle iems.
>>79691687SE215 is a non recommendation these days, that shit is ancient and doesn't hold up for the price>>79697156>>79698012XB50 have retarded amounts of bass at the cost of mids in general
>>79698012>>79699942Right, thanks guys. I played around some more with the EQ and tips and they actually sound way better now. Like the bass does actually sound way more clean with these compared to the Sony. I guess I just need to get used to them. I already enjoy them way more now than when I first tried them earlier today.
>>79700476I also bought the FH3 after using a bass heavy IEM for a couple of years. At first, I thought the FH3 was light on bass, but the more I listened to them, the more I realized they had plenty of proper low end, and that I had simply gotten accustomed to the muddy, bloated bass of my previous IEM.I appreciate the clean bass and the clarity of the mids and highs of the FH3 quite a lot. It honestly sounds like a more expensive IEM.
>>79696686>phone has 128 gb that isn't expandable with most of it taken up by things other than music>pmp has 512 gb expandable storage with 32 gb internal storage
The Fiio FH3 is back in stock, went ahead and picked up some.
>HELP THE IEM I BOUGHT SUCKS>JUST BURN IT INNNNN AND EQQQQFIIO SHILLS BTFO
>>79703802I'd say do people really say to EQ iems, but apparently the EQ fag finally showed up in /iemg/you can't fucking EQ a BA, where do these fucking retards come from?
>>79703891You can and I did
>>79704118you're retarded and should not be allowed near tech
anyone got any tip recommendations for blessing 2 (dusk in particular). tried earfitlights today but they didn't fit nicely so back they go
>>79705246Earbond barrel eye
>>79703891If you mean you can't use eq to boost BA bass to acceptable levels then you're absolutely right. Otherwise what the hell are you talking about.
>>79705246Final E or Xelastecs, best allround non foam tips imo.
>>79699942>SE215 is a non recommendation these days, that shit is ancient and doesn't hold up for the priceCorrect, but there isn't much that has a similar shape or high isolation and such a big bass boost. Which is why I think it's worth looking at if you don't care that much about sound but care a lot about comfort and isolation. As soon as NiceHCK brings back the DT600/DT300 Pro we'll have a slightly better iem at a similar price.
Will ch*-fi be able to compete with the ER5?
>>79706718Is that another proprietary take on MMCX?
>>79706718This is literally my dream endgame IEM if it had an anime girl engraving on it.
How does Etymotic manage to make a single BA sound so good? Is multi-BA really just a gimmick?>>79706952Doesn't seem like much of a barrier, surely you can have someone do it for you or do it yourself.
>>79706901>Ety endorses normie musicI'll stick to Final audio and Sony
>>79707056Multi BA can be a gimmick, all BA's are full range drivers so using one as a woofer or tweeter often doesn't make sense unless it's to achieve a certain tuning. There are exceptions like the Sonion 38D1XJ as a subwoofer BA, but even that one still has a frequency range that goes up to ~6K. The only way that a well tuned multi BA can outperform a well tuned single BA is if they're using multiple drivers for the same frequency range to decrease distortion.This does also have some problems though like wiring them in series decreases distortion more but also increases resistance more making them harder to drive. While doing 4 drivers as 2 in series parallel to another 2 in series is optimal, it also takes a lot of space to have 4 drivers for one frequency range.
>>79707367Oh and then there's the problem of electronic componens for a passive crossover introducing distortion in multi BA setups. Most electronic components used in IEMs are chosen for their size not their quality, this means that when using a multi-BA setup with a crossover that uses subpar components the distortion may actually be higher than a single BA setup that uses no electronics or decent electronic components.For instance you could make an Ety ER4 clone with any cheap resistor or you could use a Susumu RS audio resistor, same with capacitors you could use any ceramic capacitor or you could try to fit in an ELNA Silmic/AVX OxiCap.
Could anyone spoonfeed me an adapter for straight jacks that is L shaped please?
>>79707761Something like this?https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32819267224.html
You certainly can EQ an IEM but often than not it's for the worse - you'd invariably muddy up adjacent frequency range response.
>>79707935Yes. That's what I'm looking for. Are those particular ones good? i.e. No quality change in sound?
>>79707995I have no idea just searched for male 3.5 to female 3.5 adapter and this came up after a while of scrolling through all kinds of different adapters.
>>79708018Ah, thanks. I had no idea how to search for it (ESL).
>>79707990There's an ear canal resonance around 7k-9kHz that basically you're retarded if you don't sine wave sweep to locate it and EQ it out
>>79708134Ah, another dunning kruger.
>>79689636thanks for the rec. I've only tried the stock silicone and I had a way better fit experience with my shure215 foam tips. I find with the silicone that it slips out of my ear more.
Tell me why I shouldn't get these.
>>79707470You don't have to look very far to select filtering components with better linearity than a MI motor. Nonlinear distortions are hopelessly dominated by the BA without resorting to "audio grade" components.Moreover, BAs are used in the first place for their size and efficiency given the load termination.>>79707990>adjacent frequency range responseIt's a simple linear sum.
>>79708795> $1749there's your answer
https://youtu.be/WYjndvSC4rYwtf bros... you said Legacy 4's were godlike... the big italian weeb hates it...
>>79703891>you can't fucking EQ a BAstrictly speaking, this is true. you don't EQ a driver. you EQ the signal before it reaches the amplifier.
Smol and comfy.
>>79708660In that case other than foams only Xelastecs would work, though they're TPE and not silicone. Also they're pretty expensive.
>>79709166>You don't have to look very far to select filtering components with better linearity than a MI motor. Nonlinear distortions are hopelessly dominated by the BA without resorting to "audio grade" components.>Moreover, BAs are used in the first place for their size and efficiency given the load termination.That's a good point, I'd still say most components used aren't high quality but yeah the "audio grade" components I talked about in that post are probably overkill for IEMs.
>>79709924Very comfy setup anon.Sony hybrid or Final E? Either way good choice, I liked those best on my T2's too.Are you using an EQ for the T2 on the M0? I found that even the simple 10 band EQ it has works surprisingly well.
>>79709587Fuck Z reviews and fuck Thieaudio
>>79710122>Very comfy setup anon.Thanks anon>Sony hybrid or Final E? Sony's hybrid, I like them too they fit well and are comfortable. >Are you using an EQ for the T2 on the M0?I don't use EQ, they sound good enough like that for me.
Is this any good? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D6KWPCY?tag=aboutcom02lifewire-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&ascsubtag=2438382%7Cn1e52964eb1f046b9b3f45e92a282d03714
>>79694792>fat body and weight>inefficient / unintuitive UI>no search function>3.5mm only>touch feels like 2012 android phones>you press the side buttons every time you pick it up (can be disabled until the screen is on or completely disabled)>rubber case it comes with hides 1/4th of the small volume knob>equalizer is 6db up and down>when in USB DAC mode you can't do anything else on the system>when in USB storage mode you can't do anything else on the system>you need to install drivers from their website to use it with a PC>swiping up from the bottom takes you home and you'll lose your place in the folder you were browsing>swiping a little bit is likely to jump from where you're scrolling a little bit>can't name playlists using it so you have to name them externally>naturally quickly seeking a little bit at the start of a song in the seek bar will make the bar/info go away so you have to think to do it>small screen isn't good for precise seeking>you have to seek on the bar instead of touching the dot and being able to use the rest of the screen on a small device>if you use wireless the default setting is to disconnect after 30 seconds of inactivity so you have to turn the screen on to reconnect (slowly)>minimum brightness too bright as a minimumHow the hell is this thing recommended in the OP? Other than that it has relatively good battery life, looks good, and can be used as $100 micro sd card reader.t. someone who bought it as their first pmp and is listening to it right now but can't help but think they could've spent their money much better (wasn't and still isn't blown away by the sound either)
What did they mean by this?
>BudgetAbout 130$ tops.>Source (phone or PMPs)Phone>LocationPoland>Kind (in-ears or earbuds)in-ears>Sound Signature (or genres you like, important!)Videogame music, though also stuff ranging from orchestral, to metal, to electro or EDM. Can IEM's even be flat?>Past gear and your thoughts on them (important!)Sony WH-1000XM3. They're amazing for traveling but often find myself wanting something lighter and less likely to fall off my head during head.I've been thinking of getting a pair of KZ KSN Pro X's along with an extra BT cable for when I don't want the cable to snag on things. Thoughts?
>>79711616>and less likely to fall off my head during head.whoops, meant "work" at the end there.
>>79711616Magaosi K5 and ikko OH1 are both slightly above your price range but would fit the bill nicelyWhatever you buy, avoid single DDs, they're inadequate for your preferences
>>79711681I like those K5's, time to save up. Thanks Anon.
What's the cheapest pmp with expandable storage, good user interface/playlist management that doesn't limit its database to some small number
Just a friendly reminder to prioritize resin, ideally the dlp printed variety used by moondrop s8/b2 fiio fa1,7,9, when you purchase an earphone.I'm glad I did.
Triple flange tips arrived today, you guys werent kidding about ear virginity, they properly go up into your ear and I kinda feel like its gonna damage my ears
>>79712072too deep, yamete
>>79712072>Triple flange tipsThat sounds hot, now I want to try it.
>>79706718Holy shit that's exciting. I never thought I'd see ety stray from the single driver thin tube design.Very much looking forward to measurements.Do we know anything about them yet? Driver types, price, date, etc?I kind of want a er2 or 4 since they eq to Harman so well and higher passive noise blocking is just strictly better but my earphones already block outside sounds really well.
>er4 eq to Harman so well
>>79711616Etymotic ER2XR from Thomann
Where the hell are zx300a's?I haven't seen one for sale new in a while, they were like 300 bucks last year.
I'm looking for a waterproof PMP and set of IEM that I can use in the shower safely. Ideal budget for both is €200 but I am willing to go higher if necessary, up to €250.Yes I am using this so I can jack off to erotic asmr in the evenings while showering, no I cannot just use speakers because my roomates would hear.If it can't use a microSD then at least 64gb storage would be my minimum since I have a big collection and would need at least that much even for a highlight reel.
>>79713234For that I'd get a pair of bone conduction headphones for swimmers.
>>79713259I had never heard of those before, neat. Will make a note and look up some buyers guides.
>>79713275I believe there are some that take micro-sd cards, though most seem to use bluetooth. They're not exactly high fidelity for music, but they should be more than fine for voices and podcasts.
>>79713299>>79713234If youre gonna get some bluetooth tat why not just get a cheap pair of tws buds?
>>79713100er-4xr sound to me like everything below 100hz is cut off. zero bass
>>79713517That's understandable, BA cannot reliably resonate in sub-bass frequencies, especially so when the whole IEM is just 1 ba driver.
>>79713456Any tws with IP67 or IP68 waterproofing?
>>79713617edifier x3 which are generally recommended for the value and quality are ip55 which i think will be fine for showers idk
>>79713655IP55 may actually be enough since it'll resist a low pressure water jet, you may want to go for IP56 or IP66 though.
>>79711610Lmao what box is this
>>79659586new thread >>79713871
>>79702242What you talking about? My Pocophone F1 has 128GB internal and SD card slot, whose limit is the biggest card in existence. I got a 64GB card, but might upgrade. Also>with most of it taken up by things other than musicOnly if you keep installing bloatware instead of FOSS minimal apps.
>>79706361kk i'll try the final e's, xelastics look too ugly for me to consider using
why is this entire scene small scale essentially DIY products you buy from Randoms?speakers and headphones are not that why earbuds? my only logic is people dislike earbuds but them wireless pods are popular? i think yall might be getting cyberscammed.
>>79714585What are you on about
>>79714626you cant tell all these products are assembled in some ones house ?
>>79714585I don't understand, I mean yeah a lot of it comes from china because it's product they can easily make and ship worldwide. Doesn't mean it's all diy or a scam.
>>79715040more like bits from Vietnam and clipper together in Singapore students house
>>79715040its defiantly DIY oversold as branded.. that doesn't mean its a scam but who knows.