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Discuss data hoarding and other home server projects

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>>78733652
>>78691029
>>78642910

>FAQs: READ THIS.
https://pastebin.com/7BEsrCR4
If you have a question you might find the answer here.

>USEFUL LINKS.
https://pastebin.com/Jg4bvf4y
Read for short overview of OS's, file systems, and other things.

>List Of NAS cases (WIP)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13Pw67e5dP2rt0OzIrLXLoa3-mgYlf2IDtNhhASO2Y4Q/edit?usp=sharing

>IF YOU WANT PURCHASING ADVICE:
READ THE FAQS!
State your BUDGET.
List OS and software.
State storage/raid and # of disks.
List hardware features (low power draw, 10G Ethernet, etc)

>Why should I have a homeserver?
/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your /g/ skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.

>How should I get started?
Most people get started with NAS. It’s nice have a /comfy/ home for all your data. Streaming your movies/shows around the house and to friends. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn networking by setting up a pfsense box and configuring some vlans. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god tier already? Setup openstack and report back.

>What do I hoard?
Movies, music, books, porn, anything and everything you like. If you are looking for things to hoard check out >>>/g/ptg they have a list of various trackers for everything under the sun.

>Why Hoard?
Things that are online today might not be online forever. It's good to have a copy of something because you never know when it might get taken down due to copyright strikes or Big Tech censorship.
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how to get hard drives for free?
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>>78819037
steal them
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Is there any use a "home server" would have that a Synology or QNAP couldn't provide?
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>>78819140
considering those come with terrible hardware, plenty.
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>>78819140
maybe not for you
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>>78819037
find some business that is getting rid of their old hardware and tell them you'll take it off their hands
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Do they usually have good deals on WD external drives on black friday? I need to buy new drives but I'm thinking on holding off for a week.
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>>78819436
yes. easystores and whatnot usually go on sale during prime day and BF
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>>78819034
Do I really need a NAS?
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>>78819537
you might.

I only started to get into this shit because my two 4tb drives are filling up fast and there is no room in my case for more drives
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>>78819436
The 14tb drives were $190 recently and will probably go back to that price on black friday or cyber monday.
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>>78819636
Dang that's a pretty juicy deal. I'm just planning on grabbing a couple 8tb drives for raid one. I hope they go down to $110-120.
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>>78819636
>>78819686
>>78819436

https://shucks.top/

going to be posting this in the OP as BF approaches
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Is this actually a decent deal? I know it's 8 plus year old processors but it would be fine for truenas with stacks of RAM right?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-4U-36-Bay-LFF-Server-X9DRi-LNF-Xeon-8-core-3-3Ghz-64GB-HW-Raid-5-6/133417769784?hash=item1f10519b38:g:~-IAAOSwLcZeyE4y
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rate my setup
>raspberry pi 4
>nextcloud
>1TB hdd
>powerbank as a UPS
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>>78820846
>>powerbank as a UPS
I mean, if it works
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>>78820856
it actually works better then i expected
>neighbors need to do some fucky shit with fuses
>power down for ~5h
>still running
too bad my wifi router isn't also on a powerbank so i couldn't connect to it anyways
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Hm why yes? I do have a hexacore server.
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>>78819034
I got a Dell T420 on Tuesday, got all my Vm's setup just a few hours ago.
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>>78821093
>godzilla

do you happen to have every godzilla movie?
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Where can I buy a nas with an OS that respects my freedoms? Or are there any good quality enclosures with a fan that I can hook up a pi and 3.5 hdd to?
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>spend 2 hours trying to get syncthing on OMV docker to write to a drive
>give up
>try syncthing on base raspbian
>it just werks
>but now I have to manually configure all my other shit
Wat do? If I install Syncthing to bare metal on OMV, will it cause a conflict?
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>>78821187
>Or are there any good quality enclosures with a fan
While I'd recommend just using an open dock and omitting the fan... yes, these things exist.

And you can hook up an Odroid or RPi, yes, most of them are USB3 anyhow
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>>78820296
Thats a pretty bitchin deal anon. I bought the same setup (except 24 bay, same mobo, about the same processors, and 96GB of ram) for $750 about 3 years ago (including shipping). If you have the will for it, freakin go for it dude. Welcome to the /comfy/ supermicro club

>>78820902
Very nice anon

>>78820982
Grats I guess?

>>78821208
I wouldn't think so. OMV is just a GUI for bone dry basic linux stuff, built on Debian. I'm sure there's have done the same - try DDG first if you're scerd.

Update on the odroid HC2 temperatures: I added a couple of 40mm USB fans from amazon. Temps went from spiking to 46C on the 14TB WD drive, to a cool 32C. Fuck yeah.
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>>78821116
yep you can find them in /t/ >>890874
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>>/t/890874
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>>78821550
>>78821557
>>>/t/890874
newfriend
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>>78819044
/thread

>>78819140
pic related, can a qnap or shynology shitbox even compete with pic related?

>>78819636
if you dont want pieces of shit for drives, 16TB Exos SAS disks can be had for under $300 each

>>78820296
E5-2600 v2s arent bad if you dont care about power cumsumtpion
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>>78821656
Well, no, a qnap can't give you a 747 taking off in your home. But if it's just storage than a NAS with expansion units can can.
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I don't know much about home servers but my friend was offering to sell me a Synology DS418 and 9TB of storage for $200. Is that worth getting?
I don't really need to do much more than host files and torrent from it so I'm not sure if its worth the price
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>>78821772
just start with old hardware you have from previous builds
if you don't build your own server then just buy an off the shelf product. no idea on what they're worth so just check ebay to get an idea
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>>78820982
I don't even know what a 14 core processor is, but here are two
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>>78821772
just build a server than buy that junk.
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>>78821772
If that's all you need sure.

just know that the hardware will be limited and you might not be able to do everything you want to do with it.
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>>78819636
Anything "wrong" with these drives as >>78821656 alludes to?
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>>78821444
4u chassis are pretty quiet compared to thinner ones right? I've already got a rack I can put it in.
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>>78821969
no warranty rebranded ultrastars.

also he probably doesn't like WD which is a reasonable opinion to have.
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>>78821990
But no issue using them in a hsg setup, right?
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>>78822010
There is a risk but it's up to you to determine if it is an acceptable one. see the pastebin FAQs there is a shucking section you should read if you haven't already
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poorfag here with lots of data. i want to go about making a raid array to back up lots of music, pictures, videos, and some older discontinued software i have. i dont mind buying a bunch of hard drives but i dont want to spend a lot of money on hardware that isnt drives. is it possible to run a home data server off something like a raspi or something cheap? all i want is to be able to put files on the server and copy them off/view them from a remote device like my pc or phone. bonus points if i can make it network attatched so i can access it from anywhere but ill take what i can get even if its local. im good with pc building but what should i do to make a cheap, yet effective storage server with redundancy? im mostly scared of drive failure. i dont need to stream videos or do anything like that.
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>>78822036
Yeah, was looking at that. I meant to ask more so if they are trash drives to use shucked in a hsg setup?
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>>78822059
only if you get <8tb drives which are SMR and garbage.
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>>78822058
you can get away with an rpi4 or low end computer.

install linux, set up mdadm with mergerfs or LVM or snapraid with mergerfs. for a simple home file server install Samba, or if you want remote access from outside your network you can do owncloud/nextcloud.
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>>78822135
sweet, and using something like an rpi wont be too slow or cause any issues or anything?
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>>78822216
Depends on what you are doing. as a simple file server it will be fine. the more services you pile on the more it's going to show it's limitations. you should be able to at least run owncloud or whatever if that is all you plan on doing. just dont expect to be able to do plex transcoding or anything like that.
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>>78821987
Very much so. I wouldn’t want it in the same room as me, but with it one room away I can’t hear it at all. There’s a pretty easy fan mod with noctuas you can do if it is in the same room as you.
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I want to do a server for ip cameras. any suggested software and suggested cameras? any other tips for this, ive never done cabling through house.
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>>78822303
>There’s a pretty easy fan mod with noctuas

link?
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>>78822375
I'm using Zoneminder on Ubuntu 20.04, I have Reolink cameras, not sure if I'd recommend the cameras as they are kinda glitchy with zoneminder I ran ethernet out the the cameras and are powered with a Cisco 3560g-24ps installed in the attic.
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why do people run raid on a 2 bay nas? isn't it smarter to only have 1 live backup and put the other in cold storage then just sync them manually every few months or so?
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Looking for the cheapest managed Switch that has at least 2 10gbe ports and 2 2.5gbe ports. PoE would be nice but necessary.
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>>78822375
Windows server with blue iris, any camera that dos onvif with dedicated vlan.
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>>78822379
There’s YouTube videos and blog posts (some decent info on leddit if you can stand it) just google sc846 noctua
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>>78822375
I'm using zoneminder in docker
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>>78822265
oh thats totally fine. if i wanted to do plex streaming or something id upgrade hardware and all that. i just want to access it like i would a regular hard drive. only wireless.

would it be cheaper to use a raspi with some software, or would it be better to have something like an odroid hc4. and does it matter how much ram the raspi 4 has if thats the better choice?
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>>78822478
>but necessary
* not necessary
I can find tonnes of switches that are 2 10gbit ports. then the rest is gigabit. But then there is a huge price jump for any other multigig ports.
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How to find businesses that are closing so i can buy their servers for cheap?
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>>78822633
seconding this question
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Was looking at pairing a X11SCL-IF with a i3-9100, and I read the onboard BMC on the motherboard (Aspeed AST2500 BMC) has graphics capability. Is this just for outputting the graphics to an external monitor? Or does this replace the iGPU? Are you able to override the BMC graphics output to use iGPU as an output?
One use was gonna be streaming video so I figured going for the i3-9100 with an iGPU would be better, but seeing this I just wanna get some clarification. Cheers.
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>>78819034
Is there any downside of using a Dell PowerEdge as a workstation? I like that it has firmware RIAD out of the box, ECC memory support, and the case looks fantastic. Plus it has hot swappable disks which is cool since I have like 20 hard drives for archival and I can order spare sleds. So what's the catch here? Some of these have proprietary PSUs but I don't care about that. I wanna throw a cheap graphics card in there and use CentOS on it.
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>>78822727
Make sure the PS has the appropriate power connectors. Other than that it will be slow af to boot up compared to a consumer desktop or purpose-built workstation. If you don’t mind that, it’ll be just fine
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>>78822756
Alright, thanks.
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how do I find and commission some /diy/ dude to build me a wooden rackmount cabinet of some specified depth and airflow?
Are they all just on youtube or something?
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>>78822820
Get an Ikea Lack
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>>78822820
Those are called carpenters, anon
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>>78822855
thats not what i want shut the fuck up
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>>78822862
where do you find a based carpenter to commission for a rackmount cabinet
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>>78822864
>doesn't know what a carpenter is
>tells others to shut the fuck up
Shut the fuck up yourself faggot
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2.5" external HDD hooked up to laptop for a NAS+UPS substitute. Good idea or best idea?
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>>78822877
google, bing, searx, craigslist, facebook, grindr, etc
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>>78822864
mad
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>>78822820
All you have to do is nail a box together and stick some rails in it. Shouldn't be that hard.
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>>78822478
>>78822629
Trendnet and TP-link both make switches with 24 gigabit ports and 4x 10G SFP+. Former is just under $300 and the latter is a bit over last I looked. Neither has PoE though, or native multi-gig, you'd have to pick a 10G-T transceiver that'll negotiate 2.5G and use that. I remember reading an article on Servethehome where they tested some and a few would work at 2.5G/5G and a few others were 1G/10G only.

>>78822469
A few months? I wouldn't feel very safe with a backup that's a few months out of date.
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>>78822569
>i just want to access it like i would a regular hard drive. only wireless
Use Ethernet. WLAN on my Pi 3 that I use as a Samba share is so slow that it's unusable for files over 100MB. File upload and download is like 100x faster over a wired connection.
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>>78823081
okay sweet ill plug it into my router
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Ceph, MinIO, or OpenIO? Why?
(Only the open source versions)
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I've been given these for free and I'm not sure what to do with them. I already have a gaming rig so I wondered if this could be a good start to building a tower for a media server?

- AMD Ryzen 3 2200G
- Gigabyte b440m Aorus
- 8GB Vengenace DDR4 2666MHz C16

What would you guys do?
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>>78820846
>powerbank as ups

do you use a relay of some sort? main electricity powering a NO relay, and once main power shuts off, it goes to NC and powerbank is then used?
I am curious to see a pic of this setup.
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How do you deal with VPNs on your devices fucking up your networks?

Seems to always dislodge my file sharing between machines.
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>>78823209
well I have no idea how it happens on phones, and if your VPN provider ships a custom connection app then who knows what it does. But on the desktop (or at least my desktop) OpenVPN sets changes your routes to send traffic through the tunnel. You get a new default route at a higher priority (lower metric) than the normal one. The tunnel device gets an RFC1918 address and that's what's in the new default route, and there's another route added to the public IP of the VPN server to tell the networking stack how to actually reach that.

So how this is relevant to your problem is that you can add your own routes to your own machines to make traffic to them not try to flow through the VPN tunnel, which won't work. You can do that manually, or you can have your DHCP server hand out static routes.
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>>78823077
thanks anon. this probably sounds like my best option.
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>>78823418
oh I forgot to mention, I implicitly assume IPv4 only here. I have no idea how you make all this shit work with IPv6 present.
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>>78823179
the only interesting thing is the onboard graphics
I'd probably try to figure out how to do transcoding on it, use it for zoneminder or jellyfin
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Which is better; having data for 20 years or more with all of it intact. Or having data for 20 or more years and end up with all or some of it worthless? The choice is clear; ZFS or nothing. Cause after 20 years nothing is what you'll have no mater how good you are with your backups. Sleep well knowing your data will be there when your 50 just as it is now when your 20.
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Does anyone have a good guide/write up about making a cluster for learning & some home use.
I've wanted to make an rpi4/SoC cluster for a while but most of the writings I've seen done about it gloss over a lot of the setup.
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>X470D4U $199 on Newegg
Talk me out of it
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>>78824553
used TR systems are the better play. I've seen 24 core zen+ with mobo and ram for 600USD recently
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>>78824671
Lack of IPMI is a deal breaker for me
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any /snapraid/ man in?
syncing my new data now
>0%, 30402 MB, 1506 MB/s, CPU 52%, 3:30 ETA

>>78820296
>>78821444
>Supermicro
Based Supermicro chads
X9SRL-F here
>>78824689
Same desu. All these virgins with monitor, keyboard and mouse connected to their server lmao
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>>78823205
i charge the power bank, and the powerbank charges the pi
it handles the disconnect all by itself
I don't know the delay, but apparently it's low enough to handle that
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>>78821732
Im considering a synology just cause of lower power consumption and size.Something thats operating 24/7 should not be power hungry.Also it should be easier to maintain and set up.Im not living off an IT job so im not really into coding, and as far as i understand, basic coding skills are required to maintain a DIY NAS.Building a pc i have experience with, but if you throw coding into it i feel totally lost so i would rather not go with DIY NAS even if it is cheaper.

>Thoughts? Inb4, ok autist, nice blogpost.
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>>78825596
>as far as i understand, basic coding skills are required to maintain a DIY NAS
Then you do not understand
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>>78825615
using a terminal is apparently coding in 2020
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>>78825622
Don't even need to do that desu. If he can install windows he can install openmediavault and adminster everything through the webpanel
What I don't get is why these sort of people bother trying to sort out a NAS when they clearly do not need one
In my opinion if you don't know what you're doing then you should leave it alone and just pay for netflix
My favourite are the posters here who say that want a NAS to back up their "family photos" and it's like 20GB of data that they could put on a usb flash drive
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>>78825642
idk man you gotta start somewhere.
That being said 60% of /g/ just needs an rpi4 and 2 external HDDs.
I kind of fucked myself over by going with freenas back in 2014, my data is safe but I can't do much of anything interesting with the box thanks to freeBSD. It just runs plex, a torrent client, SMB, syncthing, & tarsnap.
Now that ZoL is better supported I really need to look into getting of BSD so I can actually play with the system.
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>>78825642
Firstly, couldnt care less about netflix or storing movies in the NAS.
Secondly, about 500 gb of photos and backup of work files in raid 1 is exactly why im considering this. Now with photos i could arguably use a cloud service but with work files i would rather not do that as it takes a long time to upload/access/download with the shitty internet available in my region which pisses me off and severely limits my productivity.
>>78825697
I have considered a pi NAS as it is small and low power and i dont need a lot of drives.But, correct me if im wrong, you need to use adapters to be able to connect sata drives to it and i dont know how that would impact reliability in operation.
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>>78825697
Yeah, I just think they should start at the beginning instead of trying to jump right into having a dedicated home server when they do not understand what they're doing. Until you have outgrown the capability of your desktop computer you don't need a home server, add drives to your desktop, fill them up, you can run most of the same services i.e. plex, torrent client, network shares etc, from windows. Try shit in virtual machines. Learn what you're doing before you dive into the deep end and drown.
If the electricity costs are that much of a concern turn your computer off at night when you're not using it
>>78825776
>500 gb of photos and backup of work files
>in raid 1
lmao this is exactly the kind of shit I'm on about. You don't need these photos spinning all the time
Buy a 1tb external hdd, transfer your data and keep it somewhere safe
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>>78825776
if you're dealing with less than 10TB of data and that many photos look into SSD NAS options. pi NAS is nice for media share and basic home crap but not really great for network storage with lots of little files.
If you wanna go low power but have options I'd recommend https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/J5005-ITX/ or something similar. All you need is that and 2-4 1TB SSDs
>>78825796
we're quickly living in a world where people don't have desktops. I used to hook all my storage up to my windows machine in 2012 and that's the only time I've lost a bunch of personal data.
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>>78825844
>2-4 1TB SSDs
>for 500GB of photos
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>>78825921
if they have 500GBs of photos they're probably generating more having 1TB-3TB of space isn't a crazy amount of storage to grow into especially with the way phone cameras are moving these days.
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>>78825935
*woosh*
Using 2-4 1TB ssds for PHOTOS is retarded
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>>78825947
I guess you've never done any professional photography. I suggested SSDs because the failure rate will be effectively 0.
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>>78825796
Having a home server is more convenient for me, though as it stands my home server is a miniPC hooked up to an external drive.
But it's pretty handy to have a stand alone system that lets me access my files, serve my media, etc across my laptop, my desktop, my TVs (Living room, bedroom, kitchen/Diner). Also running a Minecraft server because I'm sad like that.

I'd consider something more substantial but there's only a couple of users so it's all I need for now.
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>>78819037
work as a sysadmin and get the old hardware for free, going to get a 100tb nas and a 20tb pure storage soon
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>>78825844
Thanks for the insight.
>>78825796
Work files is what concerns me more than the photos obviously.All is backed up to at least 2 drives already so in my case considering a NAS has more to do with ease of access first and redundancy second.And im referring to my work related files.Being able to throw in photos or personal files in there is just the cherry on top.
And i have this many photos as im shooting in .raw.
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>>78825844
Also what would you suggest i use for configuring it if i go with the diy option? Would trueNAS be ok or is there something more noob friendly? Thanks.
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Looking at the FAQ I don't see anything regarding DDNS, is there a recommended free provider?
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>>78826134
TrueNAS is very noob friendly
That being said OMV works fine and gives you actual Linux under the hood
The DIY option means you really should get your hands dirty and learn how the system works. ZFS on SSD has some quirks that TrueNAS will not account for so you won’t get the best performance possible with it
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So Toshiba and WD drives are the way to go for hoarding data?
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>>78826435
duckdns
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>>78826459
Ι was considering dual seagate irowolf or wd red hdds but if speed/ease of access is much better with ssds im willing to sacrifice some redundancy(plus they consume less power so thats an extra small plus).OMV sounds nice and being based on linux translates to better security i assume.Though containers on trueNAS really seem like something i could get into im definitely not on such a level yet.Maybe in the far future. Can't thank you enough for all the information man,seriously, i appreciate it a lot.
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>>78813643

Avg drive temp is 31c, first row sits at 28/29c and last row sits at 33c.

They never go over 36, when they reach 35 the fans just start spinning faster and faster and faster, though the fans are 99% of the time running at min speed.

The cold aisle sits at 21c throughout the year as its in my basement / souterrain.

Hot air is vented outside in the summer and upstairs to heat my house in the winter.
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>>78822633
Bump
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>>78826868
>is much better with ssds
In general yes, but it generally won't make your photos display that much faster. HDD are fine.

>>78825776
>500 gb of photos
Trivial. Organize more storage if you get a modern 40+MP or whatever camera sooner or later.

>>78825776
>I have considered a pi NAS as it is small and low power and i dont need a lot of drives
Use an Odroid N2+ or maybe RPi4, yes.

>correct me if im wrong, you need to use adapters to be able to connect sata drives to it
Kind-of, but the cheapest drives per TB are anyhow USB external models for market segmenting BS reasons - we still shuck them. If you don't like having them separate you can get a 5 drive dock.
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More smaller disks or fewer bigger disks?
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>>78824472
Could do:
https://github.com/tangleloop/kubernetes_on_odroid

RPi4 or SoC won't usually have that much practical use though. If you don't actually build a x86_64 cluster for raw computation power, why bother. Frankly it's not very different to have a few SOC from just running multiple instances of kubernetes on one x86_64 or your x86_64 + one SOC.
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>>78819559
I fucking hate the trend of post 2015 cases only having two drives.
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>>78827757
The latter in almost all cases - as long as you're still on a good cost per TB ratio.
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>>78827779
Don't use lose some protection by having fewer drives? Putting all your eggs into one basket?
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>>78827793
No, you still use RAID6 or 2-parity snapraid or 10+4 erasure coding or whatever else... just generally you grow on fewer bigger drives?
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>>78827767
fractal design are the only company making consoomer cases that hold a ridiculous amount of drives.
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>>78828050
Aren’t they the one that make you buy drive cages as accessories? WEAK
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>>78828067

yes.

and there really aren't any alternatives because no one else cares about HDDs anymore
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>>78828089
Supermicro cares anon :)
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>>78828520
>consoomer case
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>>78826435
I use freedns.afraid.org.
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Can I get a Synology NAS as a backup NAS when my main NAS is using ZFS-on-Linux? Are the two ZFS implementations compatible? I backup using the ZFS send to send raw snapshots.
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>>78828944
you can't run ZFS on a shitbox prebuilt NAS.

if you want to use it as a backup target for data only, then go right ahead.
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Hello fellow datahoardarinos

What is the fastest way to clone the data from one hard drive to another?
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>>78829508
Offline or in a running system?
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>>78829523
Offline.
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>>78829549
if it's only one drive you can use a hard drive dock and use some cloning software like clonezilla.
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>>78829623
Perp had 50+ hard drives which I need to clone. It's taking around 7 hours per drive via SATA to USB adapters. I need to get this done much faster
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>>78829650
Ditch the adapter and use sata
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>>78829508
dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=1m - don't go it over usb.

>>78828527
consoomer case? bitch its 4U racked mount used enterprise. about as polar opposite of consoomer as you can get

>>78829650
Perp? Its story time anon. Please larp for us
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>>78829650
Absolute state of law enforcement computer forensic """experts"""
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>>78829650
>50+ hard drives

you might benefit from a larger dock or a hotswap case with 6-8 slots so you can clone 3-4 drives at a time, and quickly take them out and put in new ones when they are done.

>>78829727
>don't go it over usb.
clearly he doesn't have that luxury

> bitch its 4U racked mount used enterprise.
no shit sherlock. if you read my post I said FD was the only company making CONSUMER CASES that hold a shit ton of drives.
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>>78829727
There's not much story to say. I set myself as a "computer forensics expert", self employed working from home. I'm geared up for basic data recovery, literally just copying peoples family photos to a new drive and recovering their deleted word documents. Local police department calls with a job, the pay is fantastic so I accept. 50 hard drives get delivered and I'm supposed to image them to new drives by Wednesday using special software. I'm fucking freaking out
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>External HDD only shows up as local disk
>Can't access it
>Can still see it in device manager but disk management takes forever to load
>Used chkdsk /f command
>Didn't help
>Sometimes I hear clicking in the HDD
Am I fucked, anons? Is there a way to copy or clone the contents of my external hard drive to another?
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>>78819034
how can i "blow up" my current home server on an "accident" while not feeling bad about doing it?
it's an old desktop computer that i want to replace with my current so i can make a new main.
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>>78829936
testdisk
https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
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Is it worth getting a server rack if I'm only using it for Plex and back-ups? I've got 4 x 8TBs drives and I'll probably need to buy 2 more but there's no more room in my current server for expansions, plus it's due an upgrade anyway.
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>>78829829
just get a hotswap enclosure and use the fucking software like I said. It will be much quicker than using sata to USB

>>78829965
why do you need it to be an accident anon? be honest
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>>78830001
because i will feel bad if i throw it out.
and i will also feel bad if i blew it up on purpose.
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>>78830032
be honest
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>>78830032
No anon, don't tell us! Never put your crimes in writing! It'll be the end of you!
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>>78829829
>burn clonezilla to a CD/DVD (USB drive if you must)
>disconnect all storage peripherals from your system
>connect source drive (one you want to copy) and target drive (one you want to put the copy on)
>boot off of CD
>use device-device mode
>drives cloned in ~2hr unless they're literally filled

If you're really crunched for time, go to goodwill or whatever and pick up a bunch of $40 computers so you can run multiple drives at once.
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>>78830032
Sell it?
You don't have to throw things away, that's just want they want you to think so everyone has to buy new.
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>>78829993
Will this actually help? I saw my external HDD as "RAW" format at one point, would this fuck it even further if that was the case or it doesn't pose any problems?
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>>78830072
its old. ~2007
Core2 Quad
DDR2 RAM
no one would want to buy it.
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>>78829994
Depends on where you live.
If you live in a house and can put it in the basement, sure. Server racks are an ez way of keeping things organized.
I'm living in a smallish apartment, so I have my server, HDDs, and router on a shelf in the upper corner of a room to minimized wasted floor space.
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>>78830100
Someone will, if the price is low enough.
For example: that anon with 50 hard drives to copy would probably really like an extra computer right about now.

Stick it on craigslist/FB marketplace/gumtree for $30.
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>>78830100
I'll buy it from you for $-5.00.
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>>78830079
> It was primarily designed to help recover lost partitions
Yes anon that's what it's designed to do
>>78830062
Law enforcement use some 'specialist' software to image drives, I always forget the name of it, has an f in the name I think
>unless they're literally filled
Part images are not appropriate for law enforcement, they need the entire hdd in case there is hidden data
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How do ya'll sort your data. I've got 5 years of stuff that needs to be sifted through
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>>78830644
Into folders anon. TV/Movies is obvious. For documents I split them up between House/Taxes/Family member. For pictures its kind of the same (my wife takes wildlife pictures as a hobby, so she gets her own dir). Pron is obviously on a totally separate drive that's not mounted until needed.
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>>78830101
Don't have a basement, but I'm buying a house soon so it'll be in my home office.

I'm upgrading my current server which is just an old HP ProLiant and I really want to get a rack cabinet just for meme sake. Just wondering whether it's worth it as I can't find any tower servers or workstations that fit my budget and also have enough room for my HDDs.

If I'm going to get a rack purely for storage then I might as well get another rack for the server itself rather than stick with a tower.

>>78830644
Put everything in its own folder. If it's a project then it gets a folder called "ProjectMarch2019", if it's just random word/excel files then they go in the Excel or Word folder and are renamed based on content and date so 201122report would be a report from 22/11/2020. Images are saved based on content.

Good luck with 5 years of shit though
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>>78827092
>Hot air is vented [...] upstairs to heat my house in the winter.
Nice! I love seeing servers doing something actually productive in this thread.
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>>78825463
oh! thats how you're doing it, I assumed that would hurt the battery in the powerbank. But concept is nearly the same for bigger UPS. Good idea, anon, I have some powerbanks to try this.
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>>78831983
Not all powerbanks will support pass-thru (as in after the battery is charged, the power is "passed through" to the device on the other end). Check for that feature
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Does anybody use OpenMediaVault here? I'm new to homelabbing and networking, and I'm trying to set up openvpn for remote access. I have an ASUS router that acts as an openvpn server. It's set to give out vpn clients IP addresses from a 10.0.0.0/24 subnet, but the openmediavault server is on the default 192.168.0.0/24 subnet. I can ping the openmediavault server, AND I can access the smb shares, but I just can't access the management web page. I can also access containers hosted on OMV like plex.
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>>78832610
probably something stupid like you aren't including the port number in the address or your browser defaults to https instead of http
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>>78831508
I had a Dell R810 doing some work last December, I was able heat the house with it for a few weeks.
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>>78832649
whoops you're right, browser kept defaulting to https but I'm only running on HTTP with omv. thanks
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>>78832713
no problem. had the same issue with proxmox
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>>78819636
took a pair as my NAS cold backup for $260 each from amazon.de. What do you guys usually do when a new drive arrives and you want to check if it's not fucked?
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>>78828997
Hmm how about a Pi 4 connected to a USB 3.0 JBOD enclosure with the disks in a ZFS array?
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>>78833488
My setup is fairly resilient so usually just a SMART conveyance check for like 2 minutes or whatever.

You might want to run a full extended/long SMART check or a full badblock scan.
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>>78833502
>Hmm how about a Pi 4 connected to a USB 3.0 JBOD enclosure
Maybe. I'm always suggesting the better Odroid N2+ though.

> in a ZFS array
Can be a problem on ARM SBC, it might need more hardware to perform well. Better to use some other setup like mdraid+ext4 or xfs or whatever.
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>>78833488
if you have the time and want to be unnecessarily thorough then you could run badblocks over it once or twice
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>>78833502
ZFS is not meant to be run on low end hardware anon.

just use an alternate raid solution for the backup array if you don't want to spend the money for proper hardware
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>>78822633
Bump again
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A networking/security related question, hope you don't mind.
Right now I have a domain pointed to a VPS, where 443 port is forwarded to my home IP (where a reverse proxy forwards traffic to services according to subdomain used). Would I introduce any new security/anonymity risks if I pointed the domain directly to the home IP?
There are two specific reasons I use a VPS:
- "muh ddos" - while I don't think anyone dislikes me enough to do this, it felt "safer" to use an intermediary.
- "anonymity" - I am a user of a few private torrent trackers which require their users to browse the site from home IP (no VPNs). If I understand it correctly, the only personally identifying data they have is that IP (I use a different nickname, email, etc.). Could the staff somehow use it to discover my personal domain?
To prevent this, I've applied two measures:
- Nginx at home replies only to connections from VPS
- Nginx is configured not to leak subdomain certificates (https://stackoverflow.com/a/43128186 put before conf.d includes in nginx.conf)
I mean, it works, but I'm seeing degraded performance and higher latency no matter what VPS provider I use, and it occured to me that I might be overly paranoid with the second point. Thoughts?
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>>78822633
>>78833655
Duh, why would you buy their servers even if they were closing (and I believe companies with servers are actually less likely to be affected).

Decent servers are one of the things they can sell in bulk to another company rather than inefficiently in retail or small quantity auctions.
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>>78833670
>Would I introduce any new security/anonymity risks if I pointed the domain directly to the home IP?
Seems sort of too obvious for "anonymity risks"?

Real security risks depend mostly on how your Linux is configured, and I'd say not retarded settings plus user account podman serves your shit is probably good enough.
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>>78833690
Most small businesses have a few servers(1-3) for local file storage, active driectory, VMs, etc. I read a lot of stories about people getting gear for cheap like that, because management has no idea how much the hardware is actually worth
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>>78834037
What I'm asking is if it's possible to go IP -> domain, not domain -> IP, since the latter is indeed obvious.
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>>78833628
>Maybe. I'm always suggesting the better Odroid N2+ though.
Interesting, I have an Odroid N2+ running CoreELEC for TV. Didn't even consider using such a device as a NAS.
>Can be a problem on ARM SBC, it might need more hardware to perform well. Better to use some other setup like mdraid+ext4 or xfs or whatever.
Not concerned about performance as it's a backup NAS. It needs to wake up at night, receive some data at 1 Gb/s max (more likely slow internet speeds) and go back to sleep. It's not like it needs to serve half a dozen users.

>>78833555
>ZFS is not meant to be run on low end hardware anon.
>just use an alternate raid solution for the backup array if you don't want to spend the money for proper hardware
It's not about money. It's about building something that a friend or family member would be happy to have in their house. Low power, quiet, and relatively compact (for a 6 disk system). If size and power weren't a problem I'd just go Ryzen mini ITX.
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>>78834204
To add, the PTR record on my home IP is obviously a generic one, it's not my personal domain. Is there anything else that I should be wary of?
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>>78832482
Did not know that was a thing, I assumed the concept was as the powerbank lost battery % the electric outlet would charge the battery.
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>>78834263
If you reallt want ZFS on the backup then you can check the list of low power X86 systems in the pastebin. look for one that can take ECC and shove it in a node 304 or something with large fans so you can run them at slower speeds.

Either that or use the rpi4 with mdadm
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>>78821732
qnap and synology shitboxes cant give you scale out storage with multiple controllers in an active/active configuration

>>78821969
>>78821990
they arent going be putting ultrastars in to some shitty external enclosure at clearance prices
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>>78834204
I think it's possible but I don't get how that is related to anything.

If you have IP, you use it. If you have a domain, you use it to get the IP to use. That's how you'll connect.

>>78834263
>Interesting, I have an Odroid N2+ running CoreELEC for TV. Didn't even consider using such a device as a NAS.
It's a very good choice for GBE mini server type use and it can generally do this ok even while also running as HTPC thing.

CoreELEC might not be optimal though. They don't have that much server software.

> Not concerned about performance as it's a backup NAS.
I still think it's going to waste some time and would suggest simply using another fs, but feel free to try it. I don't think the average case will be that terrible.
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>>78834822
I already have a backup NAS using ZFS and it's great. The only problem is it's a power hungry beast of a machine, hence me considering a low powered ARM alternative.

The problem with X86 is the chipsets all use tonnes of power. Even if the CPUs don't use much when idle, the entire thing still sucks a lot of power. Compared to a single-digit Watt Pi anyway.

I wouldn't use CoreELEC on a NAS, just pointing out that I had experince with Odroid boxes. The HTPC N2 will stay in my house. The new backup NAS won't.
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>>78834920
>I already have a backup NAS using ZFS and it's great. The only problem is it's a power hungry beast of a machine
I mean yea, that's why I recommend just not using ZFS. ZFS with a normal array size works more or less like more normal filesystems do if you give it a lot of computer to work with. (As far as I can tell it also pretty much always fucks up performance on large arrays of like 50-60+ drives which indeed are hard to even find because they don't fit most computer, but that's surely not relevant).

Either way just dropping ZFS would basically resolve the issue.

>The problem with X86 is the chipsets all use tonnes of power.
A well-considered build with some PicoPSU clone thing or highly efficient PSU and one of the lower end onboard x86_64 or some APU Ryzen like the 3400G uses more power, but 10-15W still isn't *that* immense.

I certainly wouldn't get such a machine just to compensate for using ZFS, but YMMV.
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I redeployed my plex docker on portainer on openmediavault, but for some reason it loops on Starting Plex Server now.

The logs say:

0x7ff2c5698e80] DEBUG - BPQ: [Idle] -> [Starting]
Nov 22, 2020 22:41:47.905 [0x7ff2c5698e80] DEBUG - Opening 20 database sessions to library (com.plexapp.plugins.library), SQLite 3.26.0, threadsafe=1
Nov 22, 2020 22:41:47.907 [0x7ff2c5698e80] ERROR - SQLITE3:(nil), 5386, os_unix.c:37072: (19) mmap(/config/Library/Application Support/Plex Media Server/Plug-in Support/Databases/com.plexapp.plugins.library.db-shm) - No such device
Nov 22, 2020 22:41:47.907 [0x7ff2c5698e80] ERROR - SQLITE3:(nil), 5386, disk I/O error in "PRAGMA cache_size=2000"
Nov 22, 2020 22:41:47.907 [0x7ff2c5698e80] ERROR - Database corruption: sqlite3_statement_backend::prepare: disk I/O error for SQL: PRAGMA cache_size=2000

I'm trying to google but can't find why this issue is occurring. I tried removing the container and creating another one but it gives me the same error every time. I've tried deleting the config folder after removing it as well. Any idea what the issue is?
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Any good pickups yet for blackfriday, whether it be storage or hardware to start out with?
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>>78835539
Looks like it has some trouble with the sqlite database (maybe database files?). Couldn't actually tell you why/what that is though, try running it in plain podman or docker maybe with some extra verbosity.
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>>78835568
I did 5x 12TB and 1 14TB. Should last me for another 2 years of hoarding. Plan is to pickup a gen8 intel chip for quicksync and finally start hoarding 4K stuff.
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Am I gonna run into any issues running sata drives on a SAS backplane if I bought this
>>78820296
I know I've read that some drives have issues with sas backplanes with expanders.
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>>78836139
depends. some backplanes have support for sata others might not. check the model number on supermicro's website
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Gah - all this shilling of the n2+ has me wanting to downgrade my dual Xeon for something less powerful. What’re the downsides (aside from no ZFS)?
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>>78831508
...ouch
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>>78819034
friend gave me a server but no hard drives

What should I buy / install? I want a NAS I can access from anywhere and decent redundancy / backups.
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Have any of you bought used harddrives from Unix Surplus? I have bought used hitachis 2tb from newegg before and they've been running great for years. The two times harddrives really fail is cradle death and ultra long hours right?
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>>78837398
https://shucks.top/
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>>78837450
One of my used Hitachi's, I purchased 8 of them for $35 a piece back in November 2016 and one of them is just now starting to go. They had about forty to fifty thousand hours on them when purchased.
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>>78837551
>https://shucks.top/
how many of what do you recommend? Do I have to format all of them for freenas?
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>>78819034
seen a lot of people talk about using a server for everything and accessing it from their various computers. Should I run games / programs off the server and just stream it to my other computers?
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>>78837742
If you want to, you can. The term to search for / research is “thin client”
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>>78837797
Thanks! I see some pages say that programs and resources are stored on the client machine. Since programs are basically storage can't they be stored on the server? And do you know of any way to have the server do the calculations? Like for example rendering while I can then shut off the client?
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>>78819140
Not a lot. Smart people give up on fucking with their own shit because time is money. Synology is great.
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>>78822058
AMD 200GE and an A320M mobo
You will save more money in the long run. Make sure you get an efficient PSU though.
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>>78822469
There is a difference between redundancy and backups
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>>78822949
As a starter setup I see nothing wrong. Its a nice way to test before sinking more money into it. Install linux or any unix OS. Anything else is garbage.
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>>78819436
14 TERABYTE EASYSTORES ARE ON SALE *TODAY* FOR THEIR LOWEST RECORDED PRICE

GET ONE

on a related note, /hsg/:
When you get a new drive, what checks/diagnostics do you run, if any?
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>>78834920
X86 with ZFS is doable for ~10W dude.
Get a watt meter and start measuring things. You’ll be surprised how low power x86 is close to ARM power efficiency. (ARM still wins but by a negligible margin if you consider the benefits of x86)
I used to be in your position. I learned my lesson.
Look for embedded x86, esp the low TDP intel ones.
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>>78819034
kind of related. I just bought a new house, but the person who owned it was a no-tech contractor. Do you guys have LAN being run through your house? If you do, did you do it yourself? If not, how much does it cost to do?
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>>78837845
You can just run a virtual machine on your big beefy server that has a GUI, with all the programs/games installed on it. Then you can use just about any small thin client (raspi/whatever) to VNC/Remote Desktop into the VM and run all your stuff like that. That you turn off the thin client, the VM is still running and doing whatever you left it to do.

>>78837946
I always think of redundant power supplies, where both are plugged in, but only the primary is being used. If the primary fails, the "redundant" power supply kicks in and takes over. Raid 1 is redundant in the same way. When you write a file, it writes it to both drives, so if either fails, the data is still there on the other. This is a form of backup, but its a redundant backup, because the system running the raid 1 doesn't know or care that a drive has failed - it might alert you, or scream at you even, but it will still continue running, just like the redundant power supply. A backup is just a backup - a separate drive/server/location. When the primary drive fails, the system fails, until it is restored from backup.
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>>78838444
I ran it myself to a few key locations. Its a total pain in the ass to be honest, and you either have to get creative with how/where you run it, or be good at taping/mudding/painting drywall. I took the creative route, and leveraged the long distance spec of cat5e. Years later, I'm thinking about going 10g, but the thought of redoing all that sounds like such a pita.
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>>78838444
I paid a guy ~$200 to do 4 runs through my 60+ year old home. It was a total pain in the ass. He was also running Coax as well, so added to the frustration I'm sure. He did a good job and it took him about 2.5 hours, also installed a patch panel centrally located in a closet near the middle of my house.
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>>78838420
What’s your setup? I’d love to go low power, but I need ECC for ZFS...
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>>78838461
sounds good but my experience with remote desktop has been laggy at best, any recommendations for linux?
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>>78835568
14tb easystores on best buy for 190
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>>78839187
These niggers keep restricting the quantities
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>>78835539
>mmap(/config/Library/Application Support/Plex Media Server/Plug-in Support/Databases/com.plexapp.plugins.library.db-shm) - No such device
Looks like the issue is gay docker path mappings. This is what you get for using """containers"""
>wget https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-media-server-new/1.20.5.3600-47c0d9038/debian/plexmediaserver_1.20.5.3600-47c0d9038_amd64.deb
>sudo dpkg -i plexmediaserver_1.20.5.3600-47c0d9038_amd64.deb
????
profit!
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>>78839176
Really? Are you doing it across the internet or something? Doing it within lan and over Ethernet it’s basically perfect for me (both rdp and vnc)
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>>78838652
>I paid a guy ~$200
>took him about 2.5 hours
Good deal
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>>78839563
He is likely trying to use some 3D application and complaining about the performance because his virtual machine has no 3D acceleration. This is the reason nvidia's vgpu and AMD's mxgpu, to give a virtual machine 3D acceleration.
It is doubtful anon needs many 3D accelerated virtual machines so he doesn't need to pay for a firepro and he probably can't afford the select few nvidia gpus that support vgpu or want to pay for the licensing, and he likely just wants to play games so he should passthru a gpu to a virtual machine and use steam remote play, or just keep a bare metal 'gaming' pc headless in the cupboard to save messing about with error 43 or buying an amd gpu
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>>78839319
i ordered one online, and drove to a local retail store and bought another (using a different credit card)
fucking hope i dont get flagged and my online order cancelled or some shit
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>>78839693
>>78839319
just bought two online with two separate orders. hope they dont get cancelled. its for my to be built server. I want 4 more of these, lel.
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Am I going to ruin my hard drives with weekly scrubs and long SMART tests?
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>>78822864
You build what you want using standard racking hardware (all the parts are plentiful) then you supply that to a cabinetmaker to measure for a wood furniture surround as you desire.
If you're smart enough to know what you want you're smart enough to know why YOU specifying everything then having your cabinetmaker box it is wise. BTW that stuff is fun so you might give making your own woodwork a try too. It's mind expanding.
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>>78823179
It's plenty capable as a server. I'd use it.
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>>78829650
If government is buying, see these folks:
https://www.logicube.com/shop/category/hdd-duplication/?v=7516fd43adaa
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>>78829829
Logicube could probably next day air what you need and probably educate you about your own job so that would be worth a look too.
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>>78840616
>law enforcement
>paying for anything other than the bare minimum
This is why they've contracted out important work to anon who doesn't know what he's doing
>mfw a criminal goes free because anon can't image the hard drives
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>>78830032
Then give it away without a hard disk (which you physically destroy to hide your cheesy pizza) and feel good and safe.
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>>78840638
The government is paying him well (so he says) so a few grand in equipment that one job should pay for would be painless. Mechanics often have thirty grand in tools. Buy the gear to make the money.
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>>78840507
There is probably no need for weekly tests, but likely it won't affect them much.
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>>78840656
Well if he was doing it properly he'd have write blockers; some Tableau device or something similar
Anon is using a sata to usb adapter...
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>>78829829
I thought Leo had read only hard drive copiers? It's alot of risk
>>78840688
This, if his lawyer finds out about that he's gonna get any evidence pulled off those drives disqualified.
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>>78840656
If the criminal's lawyer is smart they will simply say the contents of the hard drives was altered during the investigation, and due to anon not using a write blocker, this allegation cannot be refuted and the evidence will be inadmissable.
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>>78838461
>This is a form of backup
It's not a form of backup because it's vulnerable to all kinds of failure scenarios that an actual backup protects against, such as hardware failure in the device which can take out all HDDs if severe enough, malware attack or plain user fuckup. A backup should be stored separately from the main copy and should not be damaged by anything that damages the main copy, within reason. The HDDs aren't the only things that can fail and cause data loss, indeed as I've mentioned data loss can occur even with perfectly functional hardware that does nothing wrong, because the user or the software can fuck things up just as well.
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You do bump your /hsg/ threads, right anon?
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>>78821093
Well done, anon
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>>78822923
everyone knows our lord and savior was some /diy/ dude
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>>78843613
I made a bot that bumps(or spams till it's dead)
fuck jannies lmao
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>>78838420
How?? My Ryzen 1700 build uses around 45-50W when idle with nothing plugged in except an SSD. Add my TV tuner cards, a low power GPU, and 6 HDDs and it's like 110W when idle.
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i'm upset
14tb easystore shucked and good to go, even did the little pin 3 mod

but i cant fucking find the extra HDD cage for my case (define xl r2)
that cage was sitting around for like six fucking years and i always kept it because i knew id need it one day and now i cant FUCKING find it
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>>78844234
Yeah, mine does the same. Apparently 1st gen Ryzen motherboards aren't as efficient as Intel ones, or something. On the other hand, someone here had impressive results with 3rd gen Ryzen CPU and mobo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ccoxtz/68_w_on_idle_3400g_on_asrock_a300_with_the_strong/
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>>78837716
>Do I have to format all of them for freenas?
you are going to have to remove whatever filesystem is on the disks so you can use them in a ZFS Vdev.
>how many of what do you recommend?
get however much you need, just not drives below 8tb. SMR drives and ZFS do not work well together.

Read the FAQs
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>>78839319
I bought 3 WD elements on prime day and three easystores on BF

they are the same fucking drives in both so you can get at least 6 alone doing that
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>>78844518
That sucks anon. I've had that happen. Hang on to stuff forever then it disappears the moment you actually need it.
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>>78844234
Granted the 10-15W I mentioned are without drives. Sure enough if 6 HDD are active, that's like 6*4W or something.

But your setup is wrong either way. You use a current *APU* Ryzen like that 3400G or other low end x86_64 APU to avoid the power-wasting GPU. You also need a better PSU like some PicoPSU or a nice efficient other PSU.

Takes care of most of this. The last few watt to save are on not using certain gaymen Ryzen mainboard chipsets that on their own use like 8W or so.
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>>78845717
Not the anon you replied to, but even without GPU my 1700 hovered at 40 watts booted into idle Proxmox. Swapping CPU governors didn't make a difference, like it did on my i3-6100T machine (5 watts less).
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>>78839399
>>78835627
>>78835539

finally googled the correct terms to arrive at a fix. apparently plex doesn't like having its config folder on a unionfs drive. Had to set a path from a single drive
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>>78846080
Sure, your CPU and then maybe your PSU/mainboard also are more power hungry than a APU Ryzen build with a 3400G or 2400G and the other possibly more power efficient parts.

It's possible that the newer non-APU Ryzen or some undervolting / underclocking can also do it, but the older non-APU Ryzen seem to consume more power stock.
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>>78846151
> unionfs
Probably just try using the newer mergerfs soon, it has few limitations.
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>>78845713
its okay, i remembered this case is fucking huge and i have four un-used 5.25" bays, so i just ordered some fun hot-swap adapter trays for em
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>>78846181
what limitations?
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Is there a benefit to putting a wireless AX access point on my server rack, independent of my room-mates spectrum internet modem+ISP wifi.

Is AX inherently faster or is it just faster at parallel connections?
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>>78845717
GPU uses 9W so yes an APU might save that much. The problem is I wanted 8 cores to run a couple of VMs and there were no Zen APUs at the time. I also wanted 8 SATA ports and there was very little choice so I ended up with an X370 board. I am not sure how much performance compromise there is with using SATA port multipliers. I do have an R7 3700X that may replace the R7 1700 one day but I doubt it uses less power when idle.
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just get a low power intel chip with an iGPU wtf

Intel iGPUs are king when it comes to video features like encoding and decoding. It even has hardware accelerated VP8 for if you wanna make webms in ffmpeg or whatever and has much faster crypto ISA extensions like pclmulqdq and shit for fast parity checks and checksums and encryption/decryption
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>>78849301
> I do have an R7 3700X that may replace the R7 1700 one day but I doubt it uses less power when idle.
IDK, maybe it does. If not, just get a 3400G or whatever else is out then. Or the Intel or ARM option.

> I am not sure how much performance compromise there is with using SATA port multipliers
FIS port multipliers are more or less what you'd intuitively expect - more or less the BW from one port distributed across drives with a few percent overhead.

Typically no problem given that the usual home setup is ultimately more restricted by network bandwidth than drive speed.
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>>78825979
How the fuck are you going to bring home a PureStorage Flash Array??
Here in Italy a 20TB X1 is over 30k€ and they are not in the used market
Why is your company changing hardware so aggressivly?
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Is there some way to have a GPU mine cypto but pause whenever it is needed for plex transcoding or something?
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>>78850830
like automated I should specify.
Obviously I am aware you can do this manually.
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Hello /hsg/, I currently have a PowerEdge R610 acting as a virtualized pfSense router and my main server (home network don't care.) Question is, i'm looking to buy an old optiplex or Poweredge T series for under 100 quid which can handle 1-2 1650 low profile GPUs for mining and maybe game streaming under proxmox. Is this possible, and which machine should I get?
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>>78850830
Doesn't crypto mining use other parts of a GPU than video encoder? You could write a script to regularly poll Plex for active streams, check if any of them are transcodes and toggle your miner accordingly.
Also, did mining get profitable again recently?
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>>78850830
IIRC AMD GPU submitted cgroup support patches, not sure if they were mainlined but with these you could certainly manage it all via cgroups (also CPU and RAM etc).
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Would there be any issue if I took a 10g Base T connection and plugged it temporarily into a 1gig switch then back into a 10gb nic? like would the switch shit thr bed and start doing 1gigabit on the pc by accident or would it just werk?
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Does external HDD draw more power than shucked one?
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Just bought a NIB Supermicro 6017R-TDF+ for thirty dollars at an auction because why not.
https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6017/SYS-6017R-TDF_.cfm

However it needs two CPUs and RAM. I know it's elderly (motherboard is a X9DRD-EF) but I'd like to use it to host VMs.

Not being familiar with the E5 2600 V2 CPU family or server CPUs in general, what are most suited to supporting common VM software?

Verbal abuse welcomed. If it's too ancient to bother with I can always swap in some low power fanless mobo and use it for a NAS.
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>>78852715
Possibly because of (moar and maybe worse) PSU, generally no.

>>78852554
I don't expect problems.
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For a raid cache, is optane the way to go?

They're the best at lots of random reads and latency right?
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>>78838444
My friend is a wire jockey so I've been meaning to ask him for help. He has all the fish sticks and stuff. Gotta run 220 for my outside air compressor too.
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>>78853143
>For a raid cache, is optane the way to go?
For almost all RAID setups such a cache is utterly pointless.

Distributed file systems may want SSD in their hierarchy (particularly it could make sense to have cool pricey networking equipment connected to some SSD or RAM heavy box[es] for certain data sets) but also don't necessarily need them.

> They're the best at lots of random reads and latency right?
RAM is. Between SSD it doesn't matter that much since all of them will still tend to be faster than your network if you didn't build something very fancy - often HDD are fast enough really. It's the art of queueing and such.
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I noticed the logs of my server are piling up. Can you just delete all the contents of /var/log/ without any issues?
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>>78853295
THIS NIGGA DELETING HIS LOG FILES LMAMO!MO!MO#!@O#LPLO@#OLAO#W!OL@# !@O#! O@#OLOLA #WAOL# OLAQW#OLQ #@LO!@ OL#AOLW#!IKO@#O! @3olO !@#OL! @3l1@ 3ol!@OL# !O@$%O!@ 5l!@O%L! @O%OL!@OL % !@O%L@!%L !@OL%!@% O!L@%!@O% L!@O%L !L @L %OL !OLOL!OLOL!OL!LOL!OLO!LOL!OL!
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>>78853333
This OS has been online for one month and it already shat out 2GB of logs.
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>>78853359
To add. Maybe i"ll find a cronjob to remove logs older than a couple days automatically.
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>>78853437
Find?
Just set it up bro
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>>78853442
I fixed it. I noticed the logs were most exclusively from /var/log/journal/ so I probably needed to tweak the settings in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and vacuum the logs.
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>>78819636
>>78819686
Are the 14tb easystores good and worth it at $190 like they are right now? No surprises right? Just the pin thing?
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>>78839319
How low is the quantity limit?
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>>78853918
1 per address.
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>>78854030
tfw you got rid of your pmb address because you thought you didn't need it anymore.
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>>78854081
do you live in a house? try putting "apt 1".
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>>78854117
I do
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finally got debian setup with samba and torrents, and case expansion kit + new power brick for the picoPSU so i could get rid of the CX430 xboxhueg atx psu and not pinch cables inside.
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>>78854165
>photoforants.gif
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>>78854182
sorry
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>>78854254
what case(s)?
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>>78853803
It's probably fine - but we wouldn't necessarily know yet if WD had fucked up this batch of drives.

Either way you gotta accept this little bit of risk if you want to hoard at this price.
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>>78854270
Why did WD have to buy HGST bros
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>>78854263
chieftec hotswap bay, chieftec ix03b (ix01b with expansion kit).
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>>78819034
>UPS stopped working after a year
whelp, now my NAS setup is useless since my state's third-world power infrastructure has brown outs every fucking day
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>>78854450
hello californian

how is the thanksgiving ban going? have you been assaulted by a homeless person yet?
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How do you guys feel about Lithium ion UPSs?

https://www.apc.com/us/en/campaign/lithium-ion-ups.jsp
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>>78854380
fyi there's a bunch of other companies that rebrand that case with different front covers, many available on amazon.
it's pretty neat if you dont mind some spaghetti out the back. i might try fitting a raid card with a pci-e riser in the future, think it'll fit with the extra height i got from the case expansion kit.
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>>78854591
Lithium chemistry batteries like LiFePO 4 and the many other chemistries are overall better tech for larger scale applications even up to complete offgrid houses. But I don't know how much they regionally scalp you for using them, especially now.

Of course I don't even need an UPS.
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>>78854465
ah, close. it's the other subtropical shithole, florida. and yes, being accosted by insane homeless people is a staple of our proud state
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>>78854591
tfw your chinese UPS explodes
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>>78854681
>chinkshit

not even once
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Anon from previous threads who built the U-NAS server with Coffee Lake chips. I'm pretty sound with all aspects of server management besides persistence.

So I got the server build running Proxmox and I have

- 1x PiHole Container
- 1x PiVPN Container
- 1x Blue Iris VM w/ 9 Cameras
- 1x Ubuntu running Docker Engine for HTPC stack (Plex, Sonar, etc)

I have all of these running off a 128gb NVME SSD. The PiHole and PiVPN Box configs are ok (4GB Disk each).

I want to know the following

- How do I properly enlarge the disk size for the Ubuntu/Plex VM? It is around 10gb right now, but I will need increase it for Plex Metadata and other shit.

- What are your storage best practices? I want to pass a 4TB WDRED formatted as ext4 directly to the Ubuntu/Plex VM to use for media. Expect 3 more drives formatted the same way between 4 and 14tb passed through. What is the best practice to do this?

I want my data written directly to the disk, not in a virtual container disk.

Thank You, also fuck mods for banning me. Pussy niggas
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>>78855122
I've seen these two pages

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Passthrough_Physical_Disk_to_Virtual_Machine_(VM)
https://blog.prometheusproject.it/add-a-new-hard-disk-on-proxmox/

But these are for new HDDs and I won't get that until tomorrow.

My plan right now is to format as ext4, mount to Debian/Proxmox and pass, bind and auto-mount that disk into the Ubuntu/Plex VM

HOWEVER, that is "easy" and "low risk" for a brand new drive.

I've trying to move my 3TB Drive Full of Shows and Movies over so I can officially decommission the old server.
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>>78855122
>not running plex and scrappers with their metadata on a zfs mirror pool shared over NFS
Ngmi lad
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>>78855153
>>78855122
Sorry I forgot picture

Again, I want all data managed by "Linux in General"

As in, I can un-plug a sata drive and use that in any unix computer pending a remount.

No Virtual Disks, No Expensive Ass RAID arrays.

Just Disk, Local Backups, and maybe some encrypted cloud blobs
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>>78855164
Nigga, I got other shit to do like deploying an entire enterprise Java microservice architecture so I can get a comfy 150k+ job next year

I also cook and I'm also trying to get back into shape

(I'm black so when I'm in shape it directly correlates to sex, I'm not your typical fat white /g/ent)

That ZFS shit is just stupid ass overhead. This time next year, I will be @ the beach streaming Trap Music from my Plex Server. I don't want no extra shit, I'm trying to GET away from Tech period.
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>>78855164
I've never run scrapers

I alwsys updste my library in "waves" like I'll gther a whole bunch of content then when I have tie I'll msnually edit tags and add to collection.

I wonder if scrapers are worth the hassle to setup, I can't find a good tutorial that makes it 1..2..3 easy.

Not even a script to orchestrate containers for Plex Sonar and Radar
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>>78855200
I’m already streaming from my plex server. Took like 5 minutes to set up zfs after adding the disks. But that’s a fair critique and I didn’t know you wanted simple, in which case I still say NFS is easier then vm pass through. The only problem would be permissions.
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>>78844518
God fuck that mod so much
>Tiny piece of tape really really wants to flip over and stick to your hand
>If you dare use tweezers it wants to stick to those instead
>Have to press it down on the pins really evenly and thoroughly or the sata power connector will disappear it in an instant
I had to do it twice and I'll probably have the gall to do it again at some point.
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>>78855122
>What are your storage best practices?
RAID6 or equivalent by default (for the backup). Moar copies if the data is important.
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>>78855222
Can't you just paint the pin with nail polish?
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>>78855213
Scrapers can definitely be a pain to set up no question. But once they are configured you just add what you want and it finds them for you. It is overkill if you are not wanting to download new releases as soon as possible.
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>>78855222
>If you dare use tweezers it wants to stick to those instead
Not really very much if it's adhesive tape.

> Tiny piece of tape
You can generally also actually cover certain adjacent pins, so it can be marginally less tiny.
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>>78855235
What happens if you need to pretend you weren't using it in a NAS? Dousing the pins in nail polish remover sounds like the world's worst idea.

>>78855240
>if it's adhesive tape.
I used kapton tape. Not really sure if that's any stickier than standard adhesive tape, but it sure felt like it while fiddling with the bastard with my giant meat hands.
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>>78855258
Why would you need the drive power down function?
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>>78855258
>Dousing the pins in nail polish remover sounds like the world's worst idea.
dont use an acetone-based one then. i bet isopropyl alco works too and people use that on PCBs all the time.
or just dont DOUSE the fucking thing, use a qtip and dilute the polish remover.
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>>78855239
I also still use ThePirateBay and other public trackers.

Otherwise, I buy it from "resale" sites or buy it outright (with no DRM)

I have never used Usenet in my life. Barrier to Entry seems high, and I promise you, you can't find the niche shit I want on there.
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>>78855282
If you try and RMA it and WD gets their drive back with some tape on the right pin to use it that way you're probably not getting your warranty honored.

>>78855284
I didn't even know they made nail polish removers that weren't acetone based. The more you know.
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>>78855305
im not completely sure but from the way the google result worded it i guess there is

https://www.popularmechanics.co.za/how-to-fix/nail-polish-remover/
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>>78855235
are you retarded?

>>78855222
It's not that bad. you can use a larger piece if you cover the first three pins including the 3.3v rail. they aren't used anyway.

>>78855284
seriously do not do this. just put the small piece of kapton tape on thereit's not hard and also non destructive.

>>78855381
SERIOUSLY DONT FUCKING DO THIS
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>>78855401
care to elaborate?
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>>78855410
anything destructive is asking for trouble. Why the fuck would you even RISK something happening to the drive you just paid over a hundred dollars for? just put on the piece of fucking tape you god damn sissy mother fuckers.
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>>78855438
there's no risk if you can get non-acetone remover or use a diluted solution, and avoid getting it on the non-metal part.
you're the sissy here.
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>>78855476
why? just put the piece of fucking tape on there. It's proven to work and there is less than zero risk since you can just take the fucking tape off later.

why would you even CONSIDER putting fucking nail polish remover onto your 200$ hard drive?
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>>78855515
I assume because application is easier and because there's probably no reason to expect destruction with a suitably measured application.
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>>78855515
>why
because of the reasons the other anon already explained, cant you read?
and it's not destructive unless it contains acetone, dumbass (again cant you read?)
stop being a fucking emotional child and use your brain for a minute.

https://nymag.com/strategist/article/best-non-acetone-nail-polish-removers.html
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>>78855602
the tape method is PROVEN to work, is non destructive, and easy to do

kapton tape is literally made for this kind of application. there is no reason to do something retarded and potentially ruin your drive.
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>>78855637
going to sleep soon so I made a new thread a bit early.

gnite gents.
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>>78855630
Various paints and coatings also are suitable. Why would you ruin your drive?

> Inb4 dramatic imagination what kind of drive destroying substances this not "certified for HDD use" kapton tape might actually contain in its adhesives.

>>78855645
Cya in a few terrabytes.
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>>78855630
>implying nail polish isnt proven to work
>implying it's destructive
>implying every kind of remover is destructive
>implying some people dont already have polish and remove
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>>78855630
why should someone cover the pins on an HDD in the first place?
What is the effect of doing it?
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>>78855834
it's only for shucked drives because it interferes with some power shiz if you remove them from the enclose and use regular sata power.
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>>78855876
I use shucked 8TB Seagate drives in a 10-bay HDD SATA tower and never had any issues.
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>>78855889
not all models need it.
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>>78855950
ok, didn't know this.
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>>78855834
There is a pin signal meaning change on the newer SATA spec. It being powered turns the drive off, obviously you can't use the drive then. This was done this way for getting this feature the SAS compatible way, I think. You probably won't even find a SATA PSU where this is controllable.

This pin was probably powered in your older SATA spec'd PSU or dock though because there it made sense. Brilliant, eh?
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Genuine question here. I'm a hoarding noob and just upgraded to two external 12TB HDDs for redundancy. Before this I had a few external 2TB external HDDs for redundancy. Up until this point I've been storing personal files and manually copying changes since it was small time. But now that I've levelled up to the 12TB drives, I've started torrenting and really building up my hoard. So my question is: what's the easiest way to copy changes from HDD1 to HDD2? My goal is whatever changes I make to HDD1 (eg new files add, some folders renamed and moved, etc) should be copied to HDD2, but nothing else should happen. It was easy when I first set up my 12TBs to just robocopy HDD1 to HDD2, but I'm sure there's a better way to accomplish my goal than copying over the entire hard drive every time I want to back up updates
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>>78856171
It's the first time i even heard of this issue.
Whatever HDD i throw at my 10-bay USB tower, it works well.
Have a lot of docking stations also and never had any issues. But sure, if it makes it compatible to SAS then maybe it's a good workaround
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Is the tape mod necessary for these 14tb easystores?
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>>78856272
>It's the first time i even heard of this issue.
Then you probably had older drives, because most newer drives obviously use the newer SATA spec. And that newer SATA spec has PWDIS.

Alternatively, your tower never bothered to power the pins in question.
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>>78856689
yes, i guess the tower and my docking stations don't even bother about the pins. Since the 8TB HDD's i buy are relatively recent drives. The last one i have bought for lett than a week ago.



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