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Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
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>>78815635
>Implying I have a job
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>>78815635
I'd rather cuck the government than simp for a trillion dollar company.

Virgin FAGMAN vs Chad DoD
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>>78816091
but fagmen are earning literally 3x what you do
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>>78815635
I don't even work anymore. I don't see why anyone would willingly do so.
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>>78816451
Independent contracts for $330-$450/hr say otherwise
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>>78816660
I earn that in a fucking week, how do I sign up
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>>78815635
>anno 1808
>being proud to work for the biggest and fastest growing cotton producer in america
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>>78815635
yeah
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>>78816091
BASED

Pajeet and chang cannot replace you because only citizens are eligible to receive a DoD clearance.

Days off out the ass due to DONSAs.

COVID has been /comfy/ to say the least. Full pay even though we only go into the office for one 12 hour work day a week...there's no SIPR net at home ;)

I wish more anons realized how great government work can be.
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>>78817217
>12 our work day
No thanks. I don't need to go into the office at all.
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I can be an okayish developer and look like a genius at a no-name company
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Why is netflix part of this list? It's tiny compared to others.
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>>78815635
I worked for a Google subsidiary for a year before it was bought out by another huge corp. I guess not technically working for Google, but pretty close. Half the people I worked with worked for Google, it was kind of a weird corporate organization.
The code was all fucked up. Systematically broken. Incremental compilation took 20min and nobody saw this as an issue. Everyone was either non white, a woman or a fag. I hated all my coworkers. The only reason I stayed was that I was making $200k/yr.
These companies are filled with morons that are just there to cash a salary. There's no innovation, in fact there's a dramatic regression of competence.
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>>78817394
Well we can only get our work done on a SIPR net, and that 12 hours is only once per week until this COVID nonsense goes away. The rest of my 40 hours (28 in total) is spent doing whatever I want.
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>>78815635
But I do work for FAGMAN
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>>78817499
were you guys integrated into the google ecosystem, or were you locked out?
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>>78817680
Not sure what that means, but generally half the building was "google" while the other half was the company I worked that was owned by Google (but I guess technically another company). We used Google style guide (which was the source of many issues) and Google software.
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>>78815635
insecure working bezos' wage cage
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>>78817916
no i mean did you have access to all the google internal tools, chats, platforms and infrastructure?
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>>78815635
I don't like agile methodologies, politics and other shit these companies are doing.

I will rather be in a stress-free job for half salary than suffer from FAANG cancer.
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>>78818107
>I don't like agile methodologies

what's wrong with agile?

other than everyone misusing that word
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>>78815635
>tfw work for FAGMAN
It's not all that it's cracked up to be.
Nearing my 5th year, I'm burnt out.
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>>78818158
>what's wrong with agile?
It is pure shit
>other than everyone misusing that word
>t. Real agile has never been tried
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>>78818200
>5 year
Jesus, are you literally retiring after you're done with them?
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>>78818158
It isn't a bad idea but it's implemented totally wrong...even more than communism.
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>>78818245
>Jesus, are you literally retiring after you're done with them?
I literally can, but I won't. I'm going to do something else. I'm uncertain about the future and feel it's a bad idea not to be employed.
That and my girlfriend broke up with me before we got married so I literally have nothing to left to do but hang myself or something.
I'd like to start a business one day but with "The Great Reset" and corona shutdowns of supply chains I don't see it working out.
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>>78815635
for future shitposting
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>>78818158
>what's wrong with agile?
no one does it right

bullshit meetings have been replaced with retarded standups

kanban boards are garbage where it looks like someone is getting more work done than they really are, because they had they easy shit, but your task is stuck "in progress" because it actually requires work
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>>78816660
By living in Virginia instead of silicon valley?
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>>78818200
>>78818290
How much do you have saved up?
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>>78818290
Go back to school. Major in mathematics. Become a god. No one can shut you down.
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>>78818526
Not him, but I also work for a FAGMAN company and worked for a different one before that. Total of 6 years of experience.

Right now I have about $700k saved up, also thanks to the RSU's they give out.
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>>78818538
>Major in mathematics.
Nope statistics is the future with machine and deep learning being an area to focus on.
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>>78818228
>>t. Real agile has never been tried
i get that reference, but there are teams that are doing it right and profiting from it. The biggest problem is that it's not compatible with cost accounting.

>>78818258
totally agree. but unlike communism, there's an easy litmus test whether you're headed in the right direction: are things improving sprint to sprint? if not, then you've fucked up in the setup.

>>78818459
i feel for you. what you need is a more experienced project manager, or someone with enough willpower on your team to institute the changes required to end the suck. not an easy position to be in, that's for sure! but there's a way if you're willing to go the extra mile. The problem with that however is that the risk/reward is not in your favor. sucks! your employer fell victim to snake oil.
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>>78818200
>Nearing my 5th year, I'm burnt out.
my therapist says regular vacations help, but I'm a stingy hyperachiever so I can't do that, but maybe it can help you.
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>>78818556
which fagmans did you work at, and how was your experience at them? i'm currently working for one of them, and i desperately want to switch jobs because i'm bored out of my mind.
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>>78818657
>paying for therapy
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>>78818734
how many people can you talk to without filter without reprecussions while getting genuine advice?
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>>78818327
I like my version better. Slightly more subtle
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>>78818773
Sounds like any anonymous forum
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>>78817493
i think because they have a reputation for having some of the highest paid senior devs and their cut-through culture
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>>78815635
i make $120k as a software engineer for AT&T
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>>78818832
How is living in Dallas? Is it full of niggers like Houston?
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>>78817499
Based, checked and redpilled. The truth right here.
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No name company only requires a 9-5, and none of that SJW bullshit. My freetime is more important than slaving away at a FAGMAN company.
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>>78818782
>the apple logo is pixelled in both versions
Wew...
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>>78818978
You'll have an unlimited amount of free time after "slaving" (working 30 hour weeks) away at FAGMAN for 5 years.
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>>78818978
Both google and microsoft require 40 hours a week, at most.
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>>78818978
At least Google and Facebook are known for having regular working hours for most employees. Maybe you'd need to do more if you want to end up as head of Android or something.

Ironically this is actually related to their SJW diversity strategy since they know that women don't want to work 80 hours a week especially if they have kids.
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>>78819054
>Facebook
>regular work hours

nope, Google & Microsoft are the only ones with decent work hours. Apple depends on team, and Facebook & Amazon are the worst.
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>>78819054
partially wrong. google cloud etc you are not working 40 hr weeks. much more than that.


fb you are definitely not working 40 hr weeks in most times. fb is known to be cut throat
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>>78819085
I assumed Amazon would be the worst, but I thought fb would be the easiest since they have the most basic product.
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>>78818107
methodologies are team specific from my experience. I'm on FAGMAN and my team handles assignment and progress updates very informally -- pick a ticket, work it, let everyone know what you're working on. I think that's something that gets lost in a lot of FAGMAN discussion, these companies are fucking xbox hueg and working in different teams/departments can be like working in completely different companies sometimes.
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>>78818978
I worked at a relatively large, but nowhere near FAGMAN company at my last job, and even they were shilling diversity politics bullshit. It's unfortunately the world we live in, you can't escape it. Even my defense-adjacent employer was emailing me shit about motherfucking George Floyd's (((murder))).
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>>78819085
>>78819128
Amazon hours will depend largely on your team. There are chill teams and there are nightmare teams, it depends how critical your team's service is. I would agree they are probably worse in general just for allowing any teams to be so horrible, but I wouldn't rule them out.
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>>78815635
No.
>be me
>live in an eastern european shithole
>work for a small pharmaceutical company
>the CEO is an actual CEO of Based
>work as a system admin
>almost everything is set up to be remote controlled
>work from home even before corona
>respected for being able to install Adobe Reader
>and occasionally fixing problems with the software in our lab
>It's not my job, but I am IT, so I must do all this as well
It's a living.
Don't do a lot, don't make a lot (about 400 usd), don't need a lot.
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>>78819263
am I a retard for fantasizing about living in a east-euro shithole and just working remote like this? it sounds so comfy, even if only for a few years
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>>78819128
>I assumed Amazon would be the worst,
Amazon is super cut throat. Every year 5% cuts across the board.
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>>78819287
Why would you? You could work a year in America and earn as much as some eastern europoor will in his entire lifetime.
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>>78815635
You had one job
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>>78819239
>Even my defense-adjacent employer was emailing me shit about motherfucking George Floyd's (((murder))).
Probably because some diversity training nonsense came down from the DoD and they wanted to have all of their ducks in a row for that next contract.
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>>78817499
Underrated post
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>>78819331
Sorry, meant defense-adjacent to imply that it's NOT defense related but has a lot of ex-defense workforce, operates in a /similar/ space
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>>78819263
This. That's my current work style, but I am in the US.
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>>78819342
Ah okay, got it. Yeah that sucks dude, but at least the 'rona didn't let them force an all day in person standdown for some BS training about BLM.
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Anyone worked at amazon go as a software dev? Might move there soon and wanted to know other people's experiences with it.
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>>78819365
Yeah it's pretty insane. I'm not even that political but my new employer literally sends me weekly emails asking me to go out and help recruit "diverse" candidates (aka, we want less of you, more of everyone BUT you), and sends sob story emails about BLM and lists victims by name. I got an email decrying the unjust killing of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery and Jacob Blake -- it's just fucking irritating. I'm here to work, why the fuck are you emailing me about a bunch of literal rapists and gang bangers fighting with police and getting killed?
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>>78819323
getting a us work visa is like a 1 in 100 chance, if that.
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ITT: retards
Just work for FAANG for a couple of years and then FIRE.
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>>78818158
>what's wrong with agile?
>other than everyone misusing that word

Either you have tards that are dogmatic to a fault about it, or you get other tards that follow the box ticking exercise of the less useful bits and ignore the core idea behind agile.

Most of all people forget its a tool for developers to self organise, not for clueless managers to micromanage every waking moment of their miserable devs lives.
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>>78818088
I didn't have access to the chats or most of the "Google culture" and facilities. Most of the software infrastructure was Google, including a lot of non-public stuff.
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>>78819539
>red badge cuck pretending to be a googler
back in the contractor shed
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>>78819535
>Most of all people forget its a tool for developers to self organise, not for clueless managers to micromanage every waking moment of their miserable devs lives.

sounds to me like agile is just about ready for another reformation, let's call it "Agile for real this time guys"
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>>78817499
Did you have to go through a google interview loop before getting hired?
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>>78815635
No, because I do work for Microsoft.

Don't feel too bad, big company internal politics are a shitshow and most of the managers at Microsoft are practically allergic to code.
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>>78819558
> "non white, a woman or a fag" tries to dab at anybody
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>>78819558
are you a googler? what's your learning platform like?
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>>78819539
so you were a contractor, fucking kek. and you're complaining about your coworkers? they probably considered you a subhuman.
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>>78819611
What do you mean by contractor? I didn't say I worked for Google, I worked for a company owned by Google. And same with my coworkers, although like I said half of them worked for Google proper.
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>>78819637
>I worked for a company owned by Google
No you were contracted (aka pimped out) by a contracting firm to a company owned by google. Tell us more about working in the contractor cuck shed.
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>contractors are cucks now
lmao
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>>78819725
i don't think you know how mergers and acquisitions work my man. sit down, pipe down, nobody even knows what you're trying to larp as.
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>>78819725
No idea what that is supposed to mean, but OK.
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>>78819754
I highly doubt this guy was an acquihire
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>>78819754
>>78819756
same fagging this hard
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>>78819798
Nope...

>>78819791
Still not sure what you're asking, but the history is this: company founded ~10 yrs ago. Bought by Google ~7 years ago. I started working there ~3 years ago and it got bought by another co 2 yrs ago. We worked on a google campus in 3 buildings where 2 of them were split with Google employees. We regularly worked with Google employees who were mostly working on infrastructure stuff. I'm not trying to claim I was a Google employee myself, just giving my perspective which you can ignore if you wish...
It would be if I worked at YouTube and I was talking about Google. Clearly there is some overlap, there due to the companies being owned by the same parent.
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>>78819563
Except like agile and stuff like scrum, it'll only be practiced at one level, and everyone else will pretend they're still working in waterfalls instead of sprints.
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>>78816091
Can't beat federal bennies and working like 15 minutes out of the day.
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I'd like to be working for a FAGMAN for the money, but I still make good money and really like the company I work for. I've got a lot of agency that I wouldn't have in a FAGMAN.
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ngl the past 7 years have been great but I’m thinking of leaving and doing some private consulting or start a business.
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>>78818482
I work remote I can live wherever I want. They have to pay for my flight and my hotel of they need me to come in.
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>>78819791
>I highly doubt this guy was an acquihire
i know you don't know how mergers and acquisitions work my man. sit down, pipe down, nobody even knows what you're trying to larp as.
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>>78820267
>if I keep repeating it then it will be true
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>>78820315
you're larping as a discord tranny?

I didn't mean to insinuate that, but if you say so
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>>78818902
Not him but yes when I first visited Dallas there were so many black people downtown it was like Planet of the Apes. Of course this is coming from Phoenix where the chimp population is low. I see so many young fags in my city now makes you wonder how many molesters there are in AZ.
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>>78818556
hey bro take some time to find/ remember what you're passionate about and do that on the side. if it is something monetizable then go with that. Big takeaaway from corona is how can your business survive on the internet.
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>>78815635
>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
I work for a fortune 50 company. Its alright.
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>>78815635
>Why yes, I would sell out my fellow countrymen, my dignity, any ounce of respect from my future offspring, I will help plunge the world into a state of disrepair, misery, hardship for most. I will surround myself with the garish atrocities of modern design, I will suppress any shred of an ethical code I have left to push this design unto the naive masses, all for a better pay so I can brag about it online. My death will be lonesome and God will cry. How did you know?
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>>78815635
> Working for fagman company
> Actively helping the destruction of human society for profit
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I work for the government
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I did corporate work for Chase. It was shit. I now work for the government, and managed to negotiate a minor pay increase in moving. It was a great decision.
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>>78816091
>post something legally questionable
>get fired, arrested, and imprisoned on a first-name basis
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>>78819437
I can tell this post has pain. My condolences.
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>>78819944
You know you can tell us the name of the company, right?
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>>78819437
How about you consider not being a pussy and ignore it?
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>>78816643
Earning dollas
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>>78821295
Set up a passive income stream.
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>>78821554
too dum
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>>78816451
The pay at fagman sucks. They exploit the fuck out of their employees.
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I'm starting as a SDE1 for AWS in January. What do I need to know?
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>>78815635
i was, then i passed the interview on the 3rd try and got a 400k offer
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>>78818790
>getting genuine advice
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>>78816091
Based, DHS chad checking in
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>>78821554
Well COVID threw rentals out the window...
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>>78821947
the glowies are posting from the inside
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>>78821615
>work 40 hours a week, rarely more, rarely crunch if ever.
>get paid 100k entry, 200k after like 3 years
>Lots of freedom
Yeah, sure feels like exploitation.
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>>78815635
No. I got comfy job with ok salary. Working in a small company that does a lot of short projects means there is plenty of variety and it's relatively easy to move between projects when you get bored with something.
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>>78815635
I rather work for a "no-name" company. Right now, i sit cozy on my Linux workstation, and I don't get grilled on my "metrics" and "performance" so they can see if they can fire me over little bullshit things.
If I was to say somee racist shit online, my boss (the owner of the company) won't fucking care so long as I'm doing that shit on my own time.
If I was working for the FAGMAN, I think I'd be getting paid 4x as much, for 16x more work and 128x more stress. I rather goto /soc/ and ask to be someones live in NEET.
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>>78815635
Yes
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>>78818592
You're not fucking with me are you? Literally everyone says that ML and Deep learning is a meme
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>>78815635
i kind of feel like fagman companies don't have the same prestige they had five years ago. like we're at the tipping point where even normies are starting to be distrustful of google. they still have the major perk of a huge salary, but beyond that idk, i'd honestly be a little embarrassed to tell people i worked for facebook or google. microsoft or apple wouldn't be too bad. amazon i wouldn't be embarrassed about but i hear it's more of a meat grinder than the others
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>>78823125
I was at google and it really depends on what team you are on. I was on Youtube and the metrics of success are super relaxed, all that for around $400k TC isn't too bad for 5 YOE.
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>>78815635
No, why would I wanna work at fagman? Any of the cities they have you go to are shit and expensive plus my current job I milk the clock so hard and get $80k
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>>78820823
How is that different from current FAGMAN jobs? Post the wrong thing publicly and you'll get canceled from the industry.
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>>78816660
>>78818832
>>78823082
>>78823698
Sometimes I feel like killing myself. Why did I have to be born in Argentina?
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>>78817503
Seriously? Why only 12hr? Are you telling me you just sit on your ass? What do you do?
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>>78823720
To be fair, once you make $250k in cash it becomes pretty hard to spend unless it's like multi-million dollar homes. I just bought a home and it's pretty comfortable, now I just invest the rest in the market.
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>>78816091
How did you pass your security clearance interview?
One of the questions is "Have you ever seen [illegal content]?" and if you've been on 4chan for any length of time, you have even if you didn't seek it out.
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>>78823556
There's a HUGE difference between someone that knows what they're doing, and someone posting on medium using "from sklearn import *"
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>>78821119
Why would anon dox himself?.may have been small
>>78817499
>non white
I feel this. My coworker is some nepeali so basically a pajeet. Not terrible, code is okay but so fucking boring can't talk to him. Atleast my boss is cool
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>Seriously?
Yep.
>Why only 12hr?
Contract maxes us out at that per day, but others need to come in, and the base commander has us classified as nonessential. There's always someone on call if shit goes sideways.
>Are you telling me you just sit on your ass?
I sometimes BBQ, take a nap, or learn some other shit to up my skills, but yeah pretty much.
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>>78815635
The only thing I'm salty about is the massive disparity in pay. Every time I inquire as to the work being done at FAGMAN it's really obvious everyone working there is uncomfortable with just how illegal the core business actually is and knows the salary is bribery to shut up about all the shit they do.
Every single FAGMAN company is riding on legal loopholes, industry consolidation, monopolistic practices, and shady accounting. They exist because governments like having a de-facto stasi to spy on their citizens.
Facebook - privacy rights would kill revenue
Apple - locking down the hardware to force consumption of new devices as open source can't work
Google - ad monopoly funds everything, anytime they fear a cut to income they kill loss making services
Microsoft - military industrial complex as a service
Amazon - turns out owning the worker consumer is the most efficient thing for profits
Netflix - IP law is a joke, people pay for the MKUltra programming now
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>>78823720
Don't. In those towns, they're fucked because cost of living is crazy huge.
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>>78823743
>250k
Yes but you can put a lot into savings and never worry about housing or medical costs for the rest of your life. You probably also won't have problems finding a marriage partner. And even after all this you'll have a lot of money left to spend on your hobbies. What's not to be jealous of?
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>>78823798
Jesus Christ those are my tax dollars
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>>78823720
You can learn to program for free, you can literally take MIT (or Stanford or a couple others) online classes (via youtube videos) for free
You already speak english, you could probably unironically get into a FAGMAN country purely off your non-white ethnicity.

Alternatively you could work by remote for a first world country and then live in your country that's 5x cheaper. If you can't get work, make money off fiverr, do homework assignments for CS students
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>>78823818
I'm in San Francisco and it's over-exaggerated. Sure some people pay $3k for a 1br/1ba, but those are luxury homes.
I might've been lucky but I had a car and lived in a more residential area and the home was renovated consistently for about $1600.
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>>78823755
Fair enough. But don't you need a Phd in a related field to land a non meme data science job?
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>>78823829
Have you looked at what our military does? Literally most of it is doing nothing, just waiting for something to happen.
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Come work for the government, we need more autists to exploit for shit pay.
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>>78818228
My last job became an agile shop. Our manager took it to mean no more written requirements and that he could waste an hour of everyone's time each morning tell us about his golf game or what his wife had been doing.
As crap as it was, especially the part where we no longer knew what we were suppose to be writing, I'm glad we didn't end up doing the retarded job boards and all that nonsense. What a way to turn a creative job into tedious mindless factory work.
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>>78823847
Yes MIT's free lectures have helped me a lot. However immigration to the US is tough as most H1B visas are taken up by people from Asian countries.
Also how do you obtain remote work?
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>>78823829
kek dude we waste so much money on stupid shit...skillcraft is one HUGE example
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>>78823698
And did you have to live in California where a closet costs $400,000?
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>>78823873
or ms in stats with a thesis in a relevant suject area
also data science is *not* an entry level position
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>>78823877
t. never served in the motorpool and dispatch monday battles
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>>78823958
>However immigration to the US is tough as most H1B visas are taken up by people from Asian countries
Immigrating to the US is competitive, nobody said it was going to be easy. If you don't want to compete with the Asians, then just stay in your home country.
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>>78818592
Python Fag
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>>78823970
don't forget paying out boku bucks to minority and women owned businesses as well
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>>78816091
Going for my sec+ hoping to get in soon.
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>>78824015
oh yeah and especially if its a veteran owned business. the government automatically awards contracts to VOSB (or whatever its called) even if they cannot deliver!
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>>78823981
Thanks. So what work do you do before getting a data science job?
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>>78824041
Statistician, Data Analyst, BI analyst, etc.
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how long do i need to prepare for google or facebook? given that I am a electrical meme engineer and i took programming classes
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>>78824001
Certainly it is. I'm gonna try do my master's degree in USA or Canada
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>>78824090
Bump
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>>78815635
Facebook reneged their offer after I signed, but I'm still at another FAGMAN so it's ok :)
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>>78824139
>Facebook reneged their offer
what happened
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>>78821162
Not that same anon but at my work we get similar emails, which wouldn't be a big deal except now we have to do monthly diversity trainings. These are interactive trainings so you can't just tune out. We're required to make pledges about our commitment to ending racial injustice and promoting a workplace that are safe for people of diverse races, ethnicities, ability, sexuality, gender, etc. It's an ever growing list. Making each and every employee individually recite this material is classic NLP brainwashing. The younger employees eat it up gladly.
We're a telecom. We are critical infrastructure but actually keeping the technology running that provides commination services to the nation takes a backseat to pledging to create a welcoming work environment for people of any menstrual identity.
We're having trouble finding money to fund the replacement of Huawei equipment in our racks. It's going to cost tens of millions to replace it all but we will lose government contracts and rural access subsidies if we don't. But we have plenty of money to spend on all of this diversity programming. It's not just the expense of all the trainings, it's also the distraction they create. Can't imagine what a shitshow it's going to become when HR gets their dream workforce of professional victims and mental illnesses.
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>>78823958
>how do you obtain remote work?
Bump, I am also curious about this.
Anyone?
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>>78824192
I interviewed for a specific role and procurement wanted to place an existing employee there instead. It was a complete lack of communication on their part and the hiring manager was pissed.
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>>78824230
if the hiring manager was a bro he'd have gotten you in regardless of procurements fuck up.
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>>78821554
Any hint where to look for to start doing that?
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>>78824444
depends how you want to do it.
Ask /biz/ about FIRE if you want to have a real talk about it on 4chan, there's better reading material elsewhere
It boils down to one or all of the following
-blue chip dividend stocks
-buy rental properties, either single family homes you rent out or multiplex. You can swap out properties without a tax hit with some reinvestment shit, iirc you can go from a duplex to an apartment complex and never pay tax on the sales in between
-start or buy a company that's cash positive and more or less runs itself
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>>78815635
Blew off a fb recruiter the other day. Feels good.
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>>78824511
Thanks, hope I get my chance to do these within the coming years
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>>78818290
>That and my girlfriend broke up with me before we got married so I literally have nothing to left to do but hang myself or something.
You dodged the biggest bullet a man can dodge. I witnessed the same with my some of my irl friends and they all turned out happy and as fun as ever after a month or two.
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>>78819263
Richter?
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>>78816091
Bro shut the fuck up we're full DO NOT MOVE TO NOVA
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>>78823082
Are you an unemployed student? Facebook and Amazon have grueling work culture
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>>78823082
That's not very good for FAGMAN unless you're talking base pay without RSUs. With RSUs they reach 300-600k easily depending on role (once you eenter product owner/director/principle level you breach 500k, earlier if you're in the Bay Area but the Bay is awful. Not sure why anyone would want to live there).
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>>78824741
Facebook and Amazon are absolutely hell, and everyone will say "oh depends on the team." Google is the only place where I found that to be true -- knew teams of lazy fucks and teams of constant 10-12 hour days + on call weekends, seniors with weeks of backlog built up and their stress levels boiling over...it's why many people burn out or quit once their RSUs vest.

The "Tech Circuit" is a popular thing in tech. Go to Facebook, then Google, then Amazon, then whoever else is available in the area. Apple and Microsoft are both a bit more specialized, but they love acting as retirement homes to suck up the talent from the pool. If you start at one though, they will grind you out or you'll find your niche and be forgotten in a few years (while still getting decent pay, but no promotion).
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ITT students and neets role playing career coach experts just like r/cscareerquestions. How can anyone even post in this thread claiming to work at a subsidiary of Google and not understand what the concept of a contractor is?
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>>78823978
No I bought a home for $1.4m.
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>>78823812
The thing is, the salary isn't that high. It's the TC with bonuses+RSUs. On top of that the actual benefits (even 401k) aren't anything to write home about, unless you need someone to do your laundry when you're a fucking adult on the weekends, or you need someone to cook you breakfast/lunch/dinner so you stay in the office longer.

FAGMAN companies operate very similarly to how a lot of brokerages, banks, insurance, and investment firms worked in the '80s.
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>>78824942
At google, the 401k match is 50%, it's pretty good compared to most. My friends usually are happy with 5% outside of tech.
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>>78824960
Google is an anomaly -- Amazon is 4%. I know startups/small companies offering 2-4%, so that with their base pay cap makes Amazon the big underpayer of FAGMAN.

I've only been at G and M though, so my knowledge is limited. I know enough people and have been to enough Amazon events to know their benefits.
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>>78824779
where are you now? surprised google has any teams with poor WLB. i assumed they overhired in every single team which is why i see people singing praises all the time
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>>78825001
Yeah that's true, I'm at Pinterest and we don't even have any, but TC and WLB is great. Absolutely do not care about the product though.
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>>78824942
What benefits would be worth writing home about?
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>>78825021
GCP and Android have a bunch of teams that are understaffed, depending on location. They seem to operate those orgs lilke startups still for some reason, but they do pivot quickly when there's any staff complaints about work-life balance or personal complaints, which is more than I can say of some...

Tbh, I left a few months ago during the COVID thing. Debating what I want to do next, or if I even want to stay in the tech bubble or pursue something new and more fulfilling than sitting in front of a screen all day.
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>>78824960
>>78825001
50% of what, up to what? You guys are missing key details

You can have 50% match up to the IRS contribution limit, 50% match up to 4% of your salary, or you can have 100% match up to 4%.

You don't get just get "50% match" at google vs a "4% match" at Amazon. These details drastically change the value of the benefits
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>>78823849
Is 1.6k supposed to be cheap now?
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>>78825041
Performance-based profit share is one that I always envy when a friend gets a good outcome. Usually this is reserved for non-public companies though.
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>>78825061
So RSUs.
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>>78825059
>Google offers a 401(k) plan that matches 50 percent of the employee's contribution, up to $8,250.
given that most match options are 2-6% of base google is doing pretty decent in terms of their match options

The bigger scam is all the people quoting their TC with RPUs and many of them don't actually vest to claim it all
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>>78825059
Sure there's a limit, but having your company match larger helps.

>>78825060
Yes. Especially having my own space, not having to deal with winter, and being near most tech companies to switch jobs (when on-prem was a thing). I'm not going to argue if california is crappy to you or not though, it's subjective.
And when I'm bringing in around ~11k/month, it's not the worse.
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>>78825060
A rent to income ratio of under 10% is extremely cheap.
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>>78825069
Completely different concept.
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>>78825083
>And when I'm bringing in around ~11k/month
This is post-tax btw.
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>>78825086
How is it different.
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>>78825082
Also common. Turnover is 1.3 years on average at Amazon, which is well before the vesting period especially since they upped it to 4 years for many AWS teams.
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>>78825091
how do I get into a FAANG job?
I made the mistake of getting a CIS degree which was taught under the CS department and shared 90% of the classes outside of compilers, OS, & AI
Companies don't even seem to review my resume as it's not CS.
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>>78825091
What company?
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>>78825098
RSUs have a vesting period and middle men attached.

Say your company posted a profit for Q1. Say you have a targeted profit sharing model where they aim to give you 25% of your base pay as a quarterly profit sharing bonus (lump sum). Again in Q2, 3, 4. The thing is, the % is never a strict target at most companies, so sometimes you'll get 60% of your base pay as a quarterly bonus, or a 90% quarterly bonus, or a 10% one, and again there's no waiting for it to vest.

The only similarity is it's directly tied to company performance, but it cuts out the middle man (stock market, brokers, financial advisors, etc.).
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>>78825115
To get an interview get a referral. I see online at at teamblind people giving out referrals often, don't really know the outcome of that.

Has your past work experience involved coding?
To not mess up the interview, just grind leetcode and glassdoor interview questions.
And it's a numbers game, you'll fail interviews because you don't know the "trick" or you get nervous, but don't give up.
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>>78825137
Pinterest
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>>78825082
Most companies that have 401k matching match either 50% or 100% of your contribution up to a % of your base salary.

50% salary match up to $8250 is only about $4k.
I don't even make that much base salary at a nontech company but I get more than that in 401k match. I've seen insurance companies offer 100% 401k match up to 7% of your base salary so it's misinformed to say how google is so extraordinary in that department. That being said im sure I'd rather take the Google compensation package than what I get now though
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>>78825143
I use R & Python on the job to do data visualization for boomers which gets me the approval I need to automate fiscal transaction reviews.
I'm trying to get approval to build a flagging system based on all the past transaction logs to note any odd transactions, but it's a red tape nightmare.
In my off time I do Rust & some C++/openCL projects.
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>>78825140
My RSUs vest every quarter. And they are like 75% of my base pay.
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>>78825189
That's pretty cool and I like that you want to do more. Not a lot of my colleagues do side projects, so I think you're easily right for some of the work. If they like a candidate, they'll find a job for you (at least at google). Just grind the interview questions (I did maybe like 2-3 questions of different types a day) while you look for a referral, you'll be happy to make the switch :)
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>>78825170
Google matches 50% of whatever you contribute up to the IRS limit. Your salary has nothing to do with it. So if you contribute the maximum of $19500 they give you $9750.
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>>78825194
Lucky you. I never got the quarterly treatment.

I have a friend finally exiting one of the FAGMANs after his final vest (2 years). Been discussing options with him for months now.
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I've been working at Microsoft for the last couple of years, and it's been pretty good. Turned down a YouTube offer to move up to Washington.

Money has been great, got hired in as a principle with ~185k salary and 300k stock vesting over 4 years. MSFT has more than doubled since when I started, so my I'm currently clearing over 130k in stock/yr + annual bonuses and cash awards for working on military shit. Plus WA has no income tax, which is nice.
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>>78824095
No, stay in your own country we are full. I honestly don't need more Latinos here. I don't want the pajeets and Asians either but one at a time. Work in your own country and have success there and build it up. Nobody likes a fag who isn't invested in their community and culture.
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>>78824268
That smile :)
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>>78818526
Like half a million
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>>78824668
This
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>>78818526
1.1m after ~4.5 years
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>>78824208
Are you looking for new places to work?
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>>78825416
Any job openings for Hololens?
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>>78824668
>>78826346
Just move to manassas bro
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>>78826465
You must be L5 or lived in a shit hole.
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>>78815635
No, not at all. I actually enjoy not working for one of those companies. I work in a small team and we each earn a significant amount of money every year and we appreciate eachother.
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>>78815635
>work in Michigan
>10k/mo pre tax
>low cost of living
>pasties
Midwest is best
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I'm insecure about having NEVER worked for fagman, I by no means would actually want to work there long term, i would want to be one of the faggots who works there two years and "resigns on principle"

You know all these companies collaborate with eachother to fix wages right?
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>>78817499
I worked at Google and can confirm everything this anon has said. The engineering culture is completely terrible. I left after 2 years.
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>>78815635
>>78827527
How do CS majors struggle to figure out that the cost of living in Silicon Valley renders their salaries worthless by comparison, and shouldn't IT companies be more open to work at home than anyone else?
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>>78820156
>DoD
>remote

what kind of software do you work on? if it's shit that requires a security clearance wouldn't they keep you under lock and key by requiring your physical presence?
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>>78827337
Started after college and lived in a one bedroom apartment within walking distance.
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>>78821808
based
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>>78824903
where are you now?
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I wish we had such salaries here in England
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>>78825215
oncall gives another $30k cash too
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>>78828308
>if it's shit that requires a security clearance wouldn't they keep you under lock and key by requiring your physical presence?
that's how you know it's a LARP, there's no such thing as a home sipr
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>>78831092
I thought there was unless you were in a SCIF?
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>>78815635
I'm an electrical engineer working for a small "no-name" company, well we aren't no-name in our industry space but it's not like we're a faang company or anything. Anyway it's nice, the work-life balance is better than anything I could get at a faang company and while the pay is lower it's still good pay.
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>>78831168
Look up DoD disclosure statements. There is pretty much no way things can be done WFH.
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can you get in fagman as a foreign tranny or are all the diversity hires only for american citizens?
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>>78825061
Manager role at a small non-IT industry tech company is top-tier, my base pay sucks, but if we take off, I'm set, and I have a lot of control over whether that happens or not.
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I'm getting really sad living in the seattle/kirkland area. At this point I can move to just about any large city in the world. Where would y'all go?
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I work at a fagman company and it's nice. I've reached the peak of my career and I'm making fat dosh. Somehow still not satisfied with life tho
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>>78831285
They just won't pay you much.
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>>78826989

Yeah that's my area, we're always looking for people. That army contract is printing money so If you have solid computer vision skills, and are American, chances are good that you'll get a good role. Head-tracking, eye-tracking and calibration teams are all desperate to hire more people.

You don't specifically have to be American, but if you're a Chinese or Russian national your chances of getting on the project are just about 0.
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>>78831660
so all the foreigners are pretty much like slave labour at the big tech companies?

their remuneration coming from by being allowed to be in the states?
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>>78831529
why are you sad when you live in the iconic spot for costco's brand name
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>>78831770
https://h1bdata.info/

they get paid quite a bit, the whole idea that foreigners are underpaid at big tech is just a /g/ cope
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>>78818782
Thanks, saved.
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>>78828247
>350k income
>140k taxes
>40k in housing
>20k in other expenses
>still have 150k left over to spend on whatever I want
Wow my pay sure is worthless.
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>>78824639
>I witnessed the same with my some of my irl friends and they all turned out happy and as fun as ever after a month or two.
It's been years now... it left a severe scar on me. I don't care about her anymore, but I can't trust another woman again. Of all the women I've been with, I was with her the longest.
I'm pretty much done with life.
Work is all I have left and even there I'm burnt out.

Think twice before becoming a software engineer folks.
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>>78823744
By lying, how are they going to prove that shit.
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>>78821947
are you collecting my info (muslim btw)
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bump
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>>78831973
>350k income
>40k in housing
Who are you kidding? That's at least 100k higher than median income, and you don't have a clue what the housing market it like in the Bay Area. Enjoy your whole in the wall.
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>>78835871
damn that's a crazy price for beachfront CA property
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>>78831829
>they get paid quite a bit, the whole idea that foreigners are underpaid at big tech is just a /g/ cope
at regular companies they are underpaid
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>>78835871
that's actually a pretty nice cuck shed
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>>78819164

this. every team is different. every org is different.

you might work in a laid back org of 400 people but be on the tryhard team because your tpm wants to become an exec or something
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>>78816091
I used to work for DoD. Work at FAGMAN now. I make more than 5x the money and love what I do.
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>>78835871
that is to buy or to rent?
I can't buy a house like in my country for that money, but a rent for that shit is insane
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Let's see
>Advancing the limits of human knowledge
>Selling advertising to gullible idiots

Which one sounds more appealing
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>>78831973
> only makes $350

Don’t post that on Blind. You will get laughed off of it.

> t. $550k+ TC
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>>78836445
>making 50k
>making 500k
Which one sounds more appealing
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>>78815635
my no name company is using stochastic control theory, information theory, information geometry and quantum walks to trade stocks. Why would I work at a brand name?
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>>78815635
I view these companies as evil if I got a job there I'd end up doing espionage at best, or a mass shooting/assassination attempt of the globalist kike ceo at worst. I'll continue working at my no name company for now.
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>>78836482
>bragging about still working a job

Don't post that on wealth management forums. You will get laughed off of it
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>>78836482
I plan on retiring long before I can reach L7
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>>78836680
that's L6 pay
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>>78836915
Maybe if you account for stock growth and refreshers. Not for a fresh offer.
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>>78836961
nope, new offer for L6 can go up to 600k+ https://www.teamblind.com/post/Google-L6-compensation-cPxUcub1
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>>78837025
That's for FB
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>>78837059
learn to read, goog offers
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>>78815635
>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
FAGMAN is Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, AMD, and NVIDIA?
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>>78815635
>no-name company
Kek, if you haven't heard of my company you don't work in an office.
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>>78835871
>manufactured home
Aka garbage.
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You want to know the real reason? I have ADHD and can't into one hour coding challenges that they call "interviews"
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We called them MANGA here. I don't work for any of them but I decide if they are going to have a future or if they will fail.
So far we are passing (buy from them)
Microsoft
Amazon

Borderline, business as usual
Apple
Netflix

Fails badly to be avoided
Google
Facebook
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>>78837260
>can't into one hour coding challenges that they call "interviews"
then you can't do the job
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>>78815635
I live in a shithole, fagman only have accounting, support, translation and tech janitor (sysadmin) jobs here
I would need to move to the US and I'd like not to go to another shithole if I could choose
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>>78837413
They have offices all over the world and will support your immigration. No excuse.
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>>78837496
>They have offices all over the world and will support your immigration
I don't want to be yet another cockroach crawling outside his shithole to be a misfit in another shithole
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>>78836494
i'll pick the 500k one
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>>78837025
amazing offer
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>>78815635
To anyone who has gone through the full interviewing process (I mean past the stupid programming challenge). What was it like? Did you get the job? Was the pay worth the months of preparation?
I'm thinking of applying. I have several friends working for several FAGMAN companies, they're somewhat confident in my ability to get through the programming challenge at least (and so am I). But I'm too autistic to interview. That and not very ambitious. I think that last part is key. Friends tell me that I have to have a vision for what I want to do and that I need to be enthusiastic or I will fail the interview. What the hell? Why can't I be honest and say I just want a job that'll pay the bills? Why do I have to make up some story about my career aspirations? I aspire to be a land owner with a wife and kids
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>>78840206
>Was the pay worth the months of preparation?
prepared for 1 month, got a 300k offer, so yes it was worth it, i got lucky though, only string questions and a tree question
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>>78840278
Was that all? I'm assuming you applied for software engineer. That would make sense. Thanks for your input bro
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>>78819437
god, this so much. I'm so sick of being invited to slack channels that are pro BLM, anti racist, seeing blog posts go out, being told to stop using blacklist in fucking meetings. If I didn't work in tech I'd think this shit was a joke.
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>>78840509
yup SWE, also, just lie and pretend to be enthusiastic, most of your interviewers are autistic themselves so it's not like they can tell
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If I worked for a FAGMAN, I would probably leak as much internal shit as possible, just for the fun of fucking them over.
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>>78816091
Based VHDL inventors
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>>78821941
This place is genuine, you just have to sift through a lot non genuine advice
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>>78840527
What’s blacklist ?
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>>78824220
I mean it shouldnt be that hard, especially in the IT field, even before COVID tons of jobs were remote. Hell, I was a salesman on the phone in the past and managed to WFH for couple of years.
Check your local jobhunting sites or just google remote jobs in your area
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>>78840886
That's a very hard description language man.
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>>78840985
blacklist/whitelist SJW bullshit
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>>78817217
do you have to use this shit https://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm
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>>78837523
Cope
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>>78844288
yes, that's literally what I'm doing...
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>>78818200
10 year FAGMAN wagecuck here. My soul is drained and I want to quit. Bu I need the health insurance for my family.
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>FAGMAN
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>>78815635
>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
no! its way better!
i spend 3 years in MS on the C# compiler team, and basically when i left i looked 15 years older, almost ruined my life.

now i work in a mid-tier mobile games company, and the difference its just huge.. stress? i dont know what stress is.
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>>78815635
>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
*laughs in 25-hour work week*
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> be me
> ok dev
> hates FAGMAN companies
> Decides to do a degree in computation arts because I'm a creative cuck
> Graduate as one of the top students as corona hit
> 4/30 graduates landed a job
> work at a startup, only employee, 40k/year
> do cool AR/VR and 3D stuff
> Boss is based senior dev with a big brain and non politically correct jokes
> Learn a fuckton every week

D-did I make it guys? I know I don't make much but I think the learning makes up for it.
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>>78823958
>H1B
Fuck off, we're full
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>>78845766
You sound like you made it. Relax about the money you make, having shittons of money doesn't help you deal with depression, loneliness, and apathy.
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>>78845805
THIS
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>>78845816
>You sound like you made it. Relax about the money you make, having shittons of money doesn't help you deal with depression, loneliness, and apathy.
It can get me many (You)s in the /bsg/ thread ;(
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I work for ExxonMobil
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>>78846134
Why not just admit that you live and work in the worst city in Texas. Enjoy your Louisiana rapefugges.
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>>78837123
Facebook
Apple
Google
Microsoft
Amazon
Netflix
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>>78823720
Argie here, just got a job at FAGMAN. Learn to code, learn some english and apply online.
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>>78845766
Best kind of job, don't leave, if you get better offers, ask boss for a rise instead.
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>>78818200
i'm on my first year and i want to hurt myself most days. i'm too stupid to work on something real but i'm seriously considering quitting and risking a lot of financial stability this early one just to try and work on something actually useful instead of wasting my life

>>78825001
amazon pays pretty doodoo and people here tend to dislike it. my team ain't bad but i fucking despise the work i do. meaningless, frustrating, and also learning absolutely nothing relevant
1 year experience at amazon and i have zero tangible skills besides how to write bullshit internal java code
but living in washington instead of cali the cheaper cost of living and 0% state income tax makes up for it to an extent
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>>78837317
I probably could do whatever job they threw my way desu, just not in one hour, intervals. Fuck working your ass off.
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>>78846094
>try to make fun of python
>clearly don't even know how to use it
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>>78847211
Yeah that's the fucking point retard.
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>>78816091
But then I’d have to deal with fucking svn and other god awful tools all the time.

Plus the clearance and certified lab crap. I’ve got plenty of friends that work for the DoD and they’re jealous of my WFH.
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>>78821701
most of it is team dependent
but usually get ready to use a fuckload of incredibly poorly maintainedinternal tools that nobody else in the fucking industry uses
you're going to be using a lot of shitty amazon knockoffs of more standard products and libraries
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>>78847253
>svn
Not as bad as TFS
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I used to but since I'm joining a FAGMAN next week (with a nice compensation bump and a team I really like) not anymore
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>>78817499
God I hate how true this is. I'm just sticking it out until my round of RSUs vest and jump to a startup. Maybe I'd do another FAGMAN if it paid way more than what I'm getting now but the chance of landing an offer and working in a descent team is low.
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>>78847100
>fails on efficacy
as i said, you can't do the job
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fuck working in tech after I did tech shit in the army I went into the trades now I get $50 an hour to so shit like install wall sockets for people who are afraid they might get zapped



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