Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?
>>78815635>Implying I have a job
>>78815635I'd rather cuck the government than simp for a trillion dollar company.Virgin FAGMAN vs Chad DoD
>>78816091but fagmen are earning literally 3x what you do
>>78815635I don't even work anymore. I don't see why anyone would willingly do so.
>>78816451Independent contracts for $330-$450/hr say otherwise
>>78816660I earn that in a fucking week, how do I sign up
>>78815635>anno 1808>being proud to work for the biggest and fastest growing cotton producer in america
>>78816091BASEDPajeet and chang cannot replace you because only citizens are eligible to receive a DoD clearance.Days off out the ass due to DONSAs.COVID has been /comfy/ to say the least. Full pay even though we only go into the office for one 12 hour work day a week...there's no SIPR net at home ;)I wish more anons realized how great government work can be.
>>78817217>12 our work dayNo thanks. I don't need to go into the office at all.
I can be an okayish developer and look like a genius at a no-name company
Why is netflix part of this list? It's tiny compared to others.
>>78815635I worked for a Google subsidiary for a year before it was bought out by another huge corp. I guess not technically working for Google, but pretty close. Half the people I worked with worked for Google, it was kind of a weird corporate organization.The code was all fucked up. Systematically broken. Incremental compilation took 20min and nobody saw this as an issue. Everyone was either non white, a woman or a fag. I hated all my coworkers. The only reason I stayed was that I was making $200k/yr.These companies are filled with morons that are just there to cash a salary. There's no innovation, in fact there's a dramatic regression of competence.
>>78817394Well we can only get our work done on a SIPR net, and that 12 hours is only once per week until this COVID nonsense goes away. The rest of my 40 hours (28 in total) is spent doing whatever I want.
>>78815635But I do work for FAGMAN
>>78817499were you guys integrated into the google ecosystem, or were you locked out?
>>78817680Not sure what that means, but generally half the building was "google" while the other half was the company I worked that was owned by Google (but I guess technically another company). We used Google style guide (which was the source of many issues) and Google software.
>>78815635insecure working bezos' wage cage
>>78817916no i mean did you have access to all the google internal tools, chats, platforms and infrastructure?
>>78815635I don't like agile methodologies, politics and other shit these companies are doing.I will rather be in a stress-free job for half salary than suffer from FAANG cancer.
>>78818107>I don't like agile methodologieswhat's wrong with agile?other than everyone misusing that word
>>78815635>tfw work for FAGMANIt's not all that it's cracked up to be.Nearing my 5th year, I'm burnt out.
>>78818158>what's wrong with agile?It is pure shit>other than everyone misusing that word>t. Real agile has never been tried
>>78818200>5 yearJesus, are you literally retiring after you're done with them?
>>78818158It isn't a bad idea but it's implemented totally wrong...even more than communism.
>>78818245>Jesus, are you literally retiring after you're done with them?I literally can, but I won't. I'm going to do something else. I'm uncertain about the future and feel it's a bad idea not to be employed.That and my girlfriend broke up with me before we got married so I literally have nothing to left to do but hang myself or something.I'd like to start a business one day but with "The Great Reset" and corona shutdowns of supply chains I don't see it working out.
>>78815635for future shitposting
>>78818158>what's wrong with agile?no one does it rightbullshit meetings have been replaced with retarded standupskanban boards are garbage where it looks like someone is getting more work done than they really are, because they had they easy shit, but your task is stuck "in progress" because it actually requires work
>>78816660By living in Virginia instead of silicon valley?
>>78818200>>78818290How much do you have saved up?
>>78818290Go back to school. Major in mathematics. Become a god. No one can shut you down.
>>78818526Not him, but I also work for a FAGMAN company and worked for a different one before that. Total of 6 years of experience. Right now I have about $700k saved up, also thanks to the RSU's they give out.
>>78818538>Major in mathematics.Nope statistics is the future with machine and deep learning being an area to focus on.
>>78818228>>t. Real agile has never been triedi get that reference, but there are teams that are doing it right and profiting from it. The biggest problem is that it's not compatible with cost accounting. >>78818258totally agree. but unlike communism, there's an easy litmus test whether you're headed in the right direction: are things improving sprint to sprint? if not, then you've fucked up in the setup.>>78818459i feel for you. what you need is a more experienced project manager, or someone with enough willpower on your team to institute the changes required to end the suck. not an easy position to be in, that's for sure! but there's a way if you're willing to go the extra mile. The problem with that however is that the risk/reward is not in your favor. sucks! your employer fell victim to snake oil.
>>78818200>Nearing my 5th year, I'm burnt out.my therapist says regular vacations help, but I'm a stingy hyperachiever so I can't do that, but maybe it can help you.
>>78818556which fagmans did you work at, and how was your experience at them? i'm currently working for one of them, and i desperately want to switch jobs because i'm bored out of my mind.
>>78818657>paying for therapy
>>78818734how many people can you talk to without filter without reprecussions while getting genuine advice?
>>78818327I like my version better. Slightly more subtle
>>78818773Sounds like any anonymous forum
>>78817493i think because they have a reputation for having some of the highest paid senior devs and their cut-through culture
>>78815635i make $120k as a software engineer for AT&T
>>78818832How is living in Dallas? Is it full of niggers like Houston?
>>78817499Based, checked and redpilled. The truth right here.
No name company only requires a 9-5, and none of that SJW bullshit. My freetime is more important than slaving away at a FAGMAN company.
>>78818782>the apple logo is pixelled in both versionsWew...
>>78818978You'll have an unlimited amount of free time after "slaving" (working 30 hour weeks) away at FAGMAN for 5 years.
>>78818978Both google and microsoft require 40 hours a week, at most.
>>78818978At least Google and Facebook are known for having regular working hours for most employees. Maybe you'd need to do more if you want to end up as head of Android or something.Ironically this is actually related to their SJW diversity strategy since they know that women don't want to work 80 hours a week especially if they have kids.
>>78819054>Facebook>regular work hoursnope, Google & Microsoft are the only ones with decent work hours. Apple depends on team, and Facebook & Amazon are the worst.
>>78819054partially wrong. google cloud etc you are not working 40 hr weeks. much more than that.fb you are definitely not working 40 hr weeks in most times. fb is known to be cut throat
>>78819085I assumed Amazon would be the worst, but I thought fb would be the easiest since they have the most basic product.
>>78818107methodologies are team specific from my experience. I'm on FAGMAN and my team handles assignment and progress updates very informally -- pick a ticket, work it, let everyone know what you're working on. I think that's something that gets lost in a lot of FAGMAN discussion, these companies are fucking xbox hueg and working in different teams/departments can be like working in completely different companies sometimes.
>>78818978I worked at a relatively large, but nowhere near FAGMAN company at my last job, and even they were shilling diversity politics bullshit. It's unfortunately the world we live in, you can't escape it. Even my defense-adjacent employer was emailing me shit about motherfucking George Floyd's (((murder))).
>>78819085>>78819128Amazon hours will depend largely on your team. There are chill teams and there are nightmare teams, it depends how critical your team's service is. I would agree they are probably worse in general just for allowing any teams to be so horrible, but I wouldn't rule them out.
>>78815635No.>be me>live in an eastern european shithole>work for a small pharmaceutical company>the CEO is an actual CEO of Based>work as a system admin>almost everything is set up to be remote controlled>work from home even before corona>respected for being able to install Adobe Reader>and occasionally fixing problems with the software in our lab>It's not my job, but I am IT, so I must do all this as wellIt's a living.Don't do a lot, don't make a lot (about 400 usd), don't need a lot.
>>78819263am I a retard for fantasizing about living in a east-euro shithole and just working remote like this? it sounds so comfy, even if only for a few years
>>78819128>I assumed Amazon would be the worst,Amazon is super cut throat. Every year 5% cuts across the board.
>>78819287Why would you? You could work a year in America and earn as much as some eastern europoor will in his entire lifetime.
>>78815635You had one job
>>78819239>Even my defense-adjacent employer was emailing me shit about motherfucking George Floyd's (((murder))).Probably because some diversity training nonsense came down from the DoD and they wanted to have all of their ducks in a row for that next contract.
>>78819331Sorry, meant defense-adjacent to imply that it's NOT defense related but has a lot of ex-defense workforce, operates in a /similar/ space
>>78819263This. That's my current work style, but I am in the US.
>>78819342Ah okay, got it. Yeah that sucks dude, but at least the 'rona didn't let them force an all day in person standdown for some BS training about BLM.
Anyone worked at amazon go as a software dev? Might move there soon and wanted to know other people's experiences with it.
>>78819365Yeah it's pretty insane. I'm not even that political but my new employer literally sends me weekly emails asking me to go out and help recruit "diverse" candidates (aka, we want less of you, more of everyone BUT you), and sends sob story emails about BLM and lists victims by name. I got an email decrying the unjust killing of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery and Jacob Blake -- it's just fucking irritating. I'm here to work, why the fuck are you emailing me about a bunch of literal rapists and gang bangers fighting with police and getting killed?
>>78819323getting a us work visa is like a 1 in 100 chance, if that.
ITT: retardsJust work for FAANG for a couple of years and then FIRE.
>>78818158>what's wrong with agile?>other than everyone misusing that wordEither you have tards that are dogmatic to a fault about it, or you get other tards that follow the box ticking exercise of the less useful bits and ignore the core idea behind agile. Most of all people forget its a tool for developers to self organise, not for clueless managers to micromanage every waking moment of their miserable devs lives.
>>78818088I didn't have access to the chats or most of the "Google culture" and facilities. Most of the software infrastructure was Google, including a lot of non-public stuff.
>>78819539>red badge cuck pretending to be a googlerback in the contractor shed
>>78819535>Most of all people forget its a tool for developers to self organise, not for clueless managers to micromanage every waking moment of their miserable devs lives.sounds to me like agile is just about ready for another reformation, let's call it "Agile for real this time guys"
>>78817499Did you have to go through a google interview loop before getting hired?
>>78815635No, because I do work for Microsoft.Don't feel too bad, big company internal politics are a shitshow and most of the managers at Microsoft are practically allergic to code.
>>78819558> "non white, a woman or a fag" tries to dab at anybody
>>78819558are you a googler? what's your learning platform like?
>>78819539so you were a contractor, fucking kek. and you're complaining about your coworkers? they probably considered you a subhuman.
>>78819611What do you mean by contractor? I didn't say I worked for Google, I worked for a company owned by Google. And same with my coworkers, although like I said half of them worked for Google proper.
>>78819637>I worked for a company owned by GoogleNo you were contracted (aka pimped out) by a contracting firm to a company owned by google. Tell us more about working in the contractor cuck shed.
>contractors are cucks nowlmao
>>78819725i don't think you know how mergers and acquisitions work my man. sit down, pipe down, nobody even knows what you're trying to larp as.
>>78819725No idea what that is supposed to mean, but OK.
>>78819754I highly doubt this guy was an acquihire
>>78819754>>78819756same fagging this hard
>>78819798Nope...>>78819791Still not sure what you're asking, but the history is this: company founded ~10 yrs ago. Bought by Google ~7 years ago. I started working there ~3 years ago and it got bought by another co 2 yrs ago. We worked on a google campus in 3 buildings where 2 of them were split with Google employees. We regularly worked with Google employees who were mostly working on infrastructure stuff. I'm not trying to claim I was a Google employee myself, just giving my perspective which you can ignore if you wish...It would be if I worked at YouTube and I was talking about Google. Clearly there is some overlap, there due to the companies being owned by the same parent.
>>78819563Except like agile and stuff like scrum, it'll only be practiced at one level, and everyone else will pretend they're still working in waterfalls instead of sprints.
>>78816091Can't beat federal bennies and working like 15 minutes out of the day.
I'd like to be working for a FAGMAN for the money, but I still make good money and really like the company I work for. I've got a lot of agency that I wouldn't have in a FAGMAN.
ngl the past 7 years have been great but I’m thinking of leaving and doing some private consulting or start a business.
>>78818482I work remote I can live wherever I want. They have to pay for my flight and my hotel of they need me to come in.
>>78819791>I highly doubt this guy was an acquihirei know you don't know how mergers and acquisitions work my man. sit down, pipe down, nobody even knows what you're trying to larp as.
>>78820267>if I keep repeating it then it will be true
>>78820315you're larping as a discord tranny?I didn't mean to insinuate that, but if you say so
>>78818902Not him but yes when I first visited Dallas there were so many black people downtown it was like Planet of the Apes. Of course this is coming from Phoenix where the chimp population is low. I see so many young fags in my city now makes you wonder how many molesters there are in AZ.
>>78818556hey bro take some time to find/ remember what you're passionate about and do that on the side. if it is something monetizable then go with that. Big takeaaway from corona is how can your business survive on the internet.
>>78815635>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?I work for a fortune 50 company. Its alright.
>>78815635>Why yes, I would sell out my fellow countrymen, my dignity, any ounce of respect from my future offspring, I will help plunge the world into a state of disrepair, misery, hardship for most. I will surround myself with the garish atrocities of modern design, I will suppress any shred of an ethical code I have left to push this design unto the naive masses, all for a better pay so I can brag about it online. My death will be lonesome and God will cry. How did you know?
>>78815635> Working for fagman company> Actively helping the destruction of human society for profit
I work for the government
I did corporate work for Chase. It was shit. I now work for the government, and managed to negotiate a minor pay increase in moving. It was a great decision.
>>78816091>post something legally questionable>get fired, arrested, and imprisoned on a first-name basis
>>78819437I can tell this post has pain. My condolences.
>>78819944You know you can tell us the name of the company, right?
>>78819437How about you consider not being a pussy and ignore it?
>>78821295Set up a passive income stream.
>>78816451The pay at fagman sucks. They exploit the fuck out of their employees.
I'm starting as a SDE1 for AWS in January. What do I need to know?
>>78815635i was, then i passed the interview on the 3rd try and got a 400k offer
>>78818790>getting genuine advice
>>78816091Based, DHS chad checking in
>>78821554Well COVID threw rentals out the window...
>>78821947the glowies are posting from the inside
>>78821615>work 40 hours a week, rarely more, rarely crunch if ever. >get paid 100k entry, 200k after like 3 years>Lots of freedomYeah, sure feels like exploitation.
>>78815635No. I got comfy job with ok salary. Working in a small company that does a lot of short projects means there is plenty of variety and it's relatively easy to move between projects when you get bored with something.
>>78815635I rather work for a "no-name" company. Right now, i sit cozy on my Linux workstation, and I don't get grilled on my "metrics" and "performance" so they can see if they can fire me over little bullshit things. If I was to say somee racist shit online, my boss (the owner of the company) won't fucking care so long as I'm doing that shit on my own time. If I was working for the FAGMAN, I think I'd be getting paid 4x as much, for 16x more work and 128x more stress. I rather goto /soc/ and ask to be someones live in NEET.
>>78818592You're not fucking with me are you? Literally everyone says that ML and Deep learning is a meme
>>78815635i kind of feel like fagman companies don't have the same prestige they had five years ago. like we're at the tipping point where even normies are starting to be distrustful of google. they still have the major perk of a huge salary, but beyond that idk, i'd honestly be a little embarrassed to tell people i worked for facebook or google. microsoft or apple wouldn't be too bad. amazon i wouldn't be embarrassed about but i hear it's more of a meat grinder than the others
>>78823125I was at google and it really depends on what team you are on. I was on Youtube and the metrics of success are super relaxed, all that for around $400k TC isn't too bad for 5 YOE.
>>78815635No, why would I wanna work at fagman? Any of the cities they have you go to are shit and expensive plus my current job I milk the clock so hard and get $80k
>>78820823How is that different from current FAGMAN jobs? Post the wrong thing publicly and you'll get canceled from the industry.
>>78816660>>78818832>>78823082>>78823698Sometimes I feel like killing myself. Why did I have to be born in Argentina?
>>78817503Seriously? Why only 12hr? Are you telling me you just sit on your ass? What do you do?
>>78823720To be fair, once you make $250k in cash it becomes pretty hard to spend unless it's like multi-million dollar homes. I just bought a home and it's pretty comfortable, now I just invest the rest in the market.
>>78816091How did you pass your security clearance interview? One of the questions is "Have you ever seen [illegal content]?" and if you've been on 4chan for any length of time, you have even if you didn't seek it out.
>>78823556There's a HUGE difference between someone that knows what they're doing, and someone posting on medium using "from sklearn import *"
>>78821119Why would anon dox himself?.may have been small>>78817499>non whiteI feel this. My coworker is some nepeali so basically a pajeet. Not terrible, code is okay but so fucking boring can't talk to him. Atleast my boss is cool
>>78823723>Seriously?Yep.>Why only 12hr?Contract maxes us out at that per day, but others need to come in, and the base commander has us classified as nonessential. There's always someone on call if shit goes sideways.>Are you telling me you just sit on your ass?I sometimes BBQ, take a nap, or learn some other shit to up my skills, but yeah pretty much.
>>78815635The only thing I'm salty about is the massive disparity in pay. Every time I inquire as to the work being done at FAGMAN it's really obvious everyone working there is uncomfortable with just how illegal the core business actually is and knows the salary is bribery to shut up about all the shit they do.Every single FAGMAN company is riding on legal loopholes, industry consolidation, monopolistic practices, and shady accounting. They exist because governments like having a de-facto stasi to spy on their citizens.Facebook - privacy rights would kill revenueApple - locking down the hardware to force consumption of new devices as open source can't workGoogle - ad monopoly funds everything, anytime they fear a cut to income they kill loss making servicesMicrosoft - military industrial complex as a serviceAmazon - turns out owning the worker consumer is the most efficient thing for profitsNetflix - IP law is a joke, people pay for the MKUltra programming now
>>78823720Don't. In those towns, they're fucked because cost of living is crazy huge.
>>78823743>250kYes but you can put a lot into savings and never worry about housing or medical costs for the rest of your life. You probably also won't have problems finding a marriage partner. And even after all this you'll have a lot of money left to spend on your hobbies. What's not to be jealous of?
>>78823798Jesus Christ those are my tax dollars
>>78823720You can learn to program for free, you can literally take MIT (or Stanford or a couple others) online classes (via youtube videos) for freeYou already speak english, you could probably unironically get into a FAGMAN country purely off your non-white ethnicity. Alternatively you could work by remote for a first world country and then live in your country that's 5x cheaper. If you can't get work, make money off fiverr, do homework assignments for CS students
>>78823818I'm in San Francisco and it's over-exaggerated. Sure some people pay $3k for a 1br/1ba, but those are luxury homes. I might've been lucky but I had a car and lived in a more residential area and the home was renovated consistently for about $1600.
>>78823755Fair enough. But don't you need a Phd in a related field to land a non meme data science job?
>>78823829Have you looked at what our military does? Literally most of it is doing nothing, just waiting for something to happen.
Come work for the government, we need more autists to exploit for shit pay.
>>78818228My last job became an agile shop. Our manager took it to mean no more written requirements and that he could waste an hour of everyone's time each morning tell us about his golf game or what his wife had been doing.As crap as it was, especially the part where we no longer knew what we were suppose to be writing, I'm glad we didn't end up doing the retarded job boards and all that nonsense. What a way to turn a creative job into tedious mindless factory work.
>>78823847Yes MIT's free lectures have helped me a lot. However immigration to the US is tough as most H1B visas are taken up by people from Asian countries.Also how do you obtain remote work?
>>78823829kek dude we waste so much money on stupid shit...skillcraft is one HUGE example
>>78823698And did you have to live in California where a closet costs $400,000?
>>78823873or ms in stats with a thesis in a relevant suject areaalso data science is *not* an entry level position
>>78823877t. never served in the motorpool and dispatch monday battles
>>78823958>However immigration to the US is tough as most H1B visas are taken up by people from Asian countriesImmigrating to the US is competitive, nobody said it was going to be easy. If you don't want to compete with the Asians, then just stay in your home country.
>>78823970don't forget paying out boku bucks to minority and women owned businesses as well
>>78816091Going for my sec+ hoping to get in soon.
>>78824015oh yeah and especially if its a veteran owned business. the government automatically awards contracts to VOSB (or whatever its called) even if they cannot deliver!
>>78823981Thanks. So what work do you do before getting a data science job?
>>78824041Statistician, Data Analyst, BI analyst, etc.
how long do i need to prepare for google or facebook? given that I am a electrical meme engineer and i took programming classes
>>78824001Certainly it is. I'm gonna try do my master's degree in USA or Canada
>>78815635Facebook reneged their offer after I signed, but I'm still at another FAGMAN so it's ok :)
>>78824139>Facebook reneged their offerwhat happened
>>78821162Not that same anon but at my work we get similar emails, which wouldn't be a big deal except now we have to do monthly diversity trainings. These are interactive trainings so you can't just tune out. We're required to make pledges about our commitment to ending racial injustice and promoting a workplace that are safe for people of diverse races, ethnicities, ability, sexuality, gender, etc. It's an ever growing list. Making each and every employee individually recite this material is classic NLP brainwashing. The younger employees eat it up gladly. We're a telecom. We are critical infrastructure but actually keeping the technology running that provides commination services to the nation takes a backseat to pledging to create a welcoming work environment for people of any menstrual identity. We're having trouble finding money to fund the replacement of Huawei equipment in our racks. It's going to cost tens of millions to replace it all but we will lose government contracts and rural access subsidies if we don't. But we have plenty of money to spend on all of this diversity programming. It's not just the expense of all the trainings, it's also the distraction they create. Can't imagine what a shitshow it's going to become when HR gets their dream workforce of professional victims and mental illnesses.
>>78823958>how do you obtain remote work?Bump, I am also curious about this.Anyone?
>>78824192I interviewed for a specific role and procurement wanted to place an existing employee there instead. It was a complete lack of communication on their part and the hiring manager was pissed.
>>78824230if the hiring manager was a bro he'd have gotten you in regardless of procurements fuck up.
>>78821554Any hint where to look for to start doing that?
>>78824444depends how you want to do it.Ask /biz/ about FIRE if you want to have a real talk about it on 4chan, there's better reading material elsewhereIt boils down to one or all of the following-blue chip dividend stocks-buy rental properties, either single family homes you rent out or multiplex. You can swap out properties without a tax hit with some reinvestment shit, iirc you can go from a duplex to an apartment complex and never pay tax on the sales in between-start or buy a company that's cash positive and more or less runs itself
>>78815635Blew off a fb recruiter the other day. Feels good.
>>78824511Thanks, hope I get my chance to do these within the coming years
>>78818290>That and my girlfriend broke up with me before we got married so I literally have nothing to left to do but hang myself or something.You dodged the biggest bullet a man can dodge. I witnessed the same with my some of my irl friends and they all turned out happy and as fun as ever after a month or two.
>>78816091Bro shut the fuck up we're full DO NOT MOVE TO NOVA
>>78823082Are you an unemployed student? Facebook and Amazon have grueling work culture
>>78823082That's not very good for FAGMAN unless you're talking base pay without RSUs. With RSUs they reach 300-600k easily depending on role (once you eenter product owner/director/principle level you breach 500k, earlier if you're in the Bay Area but the Bay is awful. Not sure why anyone would want to live there).
>>78824741Facebook and Amazon are absolutely hell, and everyone will say "oh depends on the team." Google is the only place where I found that to be true -- knew teams of lazy fucks and teams of constant 10-12 hour days + on call weekends, seniors with weeks of backlog built up and their stress levels boiling over...it's why many people burn out or quit once their RSUs vest.The "Tech Circuit" is a popular thing in tech. Go to Facebook, then Google, then Amazon, then whoever else is available in the area. Apple and Microsoft are both a bit more specialized, but they love acting as retirement homes to suck up the talent from the pool. If you start at one though, they will grind you out or you'll find your niche and be forgotten in a few years (while still getting decent pay, but no promotion).
ITT students and neets role playing career coach experts just like r/cscareerquestions. How can anyone even post in this thread claiming to work at a subsidiary of Google and not understand what the concept of a contractor is?
>>78823978No I bought a home for $1.4m.
>>78823812The thing is, the salary isn't that high. It's the TC with bonuses+RSUs. On top of that the actual benefits (even 401k) aren't anything to write home about, unless you need someone to do your laundry when you're a fucking adult on the weekends, or you need someone to cook you breakfast/lunch/dinner so you stay in the office longer.FAGMAN companies operate very similarly to how a lot of brokerages, banks, insurance, and investment firms worked in the '80s.
>>78824942At google, the 401k match is 50%, it's pretty good compared to most. My friends usually are happy with 5% outside of tech.
>>78824960Google is an anomaly -- Amazon is 4%. I know startups/small companies offering 2-4%, so that with their base pay cap makes Amazon the big underpayer of FAGMAN.I've only been at G and M though, so my knowledge is limited. I know enough people and have been to enough Amazon events to know their benefits.
>>78824779where are you now? surprised google has any teams with poor WLB. i assumed they overhired in every single team which is why i see people singing praises all the time
>>78825001Yeah that's true, I'm at Pinterest and we don't even have any, but TC and WLB is great. Absolutely do not care about the product though.
>>78824942What benefits would be worth writing home about?
>>78825021GCP and Android have a bunch of teams that are understaffed, depending on location. They seem to operate those orgs lilke startups still for some reason, but they do pivot quickly when there's any staff complaints about work-life balance or personal complaints, which is more than I can say of some...Tbh, I left a few months ago during the COVID thing. Debating what I want to do next, or if I even want to stay in the tech bubble or pursue something new and more fulfilling than sitting in front of a screen all day.
>>78824960>>7882500150% of what, up to what? You guys are missing key detailsYou can have 50% match up to the IRS contribution limit, 50% match up to 4% of your salary, or you can have 100% match up to 4%.You don't get just get "50% match" at google vs a "4% match" at Amazon. These details drastically change the value of the benefits
>>78823849Is 1.6k supposed to be cheap now?
>>78825041Performance-based profit share is one that I always envy when a friend gets a good outcome. Usually this is reserved for non-public companies though.
>>78825059>Google offers a 401(k) plan that matches 50 percent of the employee's contribution, up to $8,250.given that most match options are 2-6% of base google is doing pretty decent in terms of their match optionsThe bigger scam is all the people quoting their TC with RPUs and many of them don't actually vest to claim it all
>>78825059Sure there's a limit, but having your company match larger helps.>>78825060Yes. Especially having my own space, not having to deal with winter, and being near most tech companies to switch jobs (when on-prem was a thing). I'm not going to argue if california is crappy to you or not though, it's subjective.And when I'm bringing in around ~11k/month, it's not the worse.
>>78825060A rent to income ratio of under 10% is extremely cheap.
>>78825069Completely different concept.
>>78825083>And when I'm bringing in around ~11k/monthThis is post-tax btw.
>>78825086How is it different.
>>78825082Also common. Turnover is 1.3 years on average at Amazon, which is well before the vesting period especially since they upped it to 4 years for many AWS teams.
>>78825091how do I get into a FAANG job?I made the mistake of getting a CIS degree which was taught under the CS department and shared 90% of the classes outside of compilers, OS, & AICompanies don't even seem to review my resume as it's not CS.
>>78825098RSUs have a vesting period and middle men attached.Say your company posted a profit for Q1. Say you have a targeted profit sharing model where they aim to give you 25% of your base pay as a quarterly profit sharing bonus (lump sum). Again in Q2, 3, 4. The thing is, the % is never a strict target at most companies, so sometimes you'll get 60% of your base pay as a quarterly bonus, or a 90% quarterly bonus, or a 10% one, and again there's no waiting for it to vest.The only similarity is it's directly tied to company performance, but it cuts out the middle man (stock market, brokers, financial advisors, etc.).
>>78825115To get an interview get a referral. I see online at at teamblind people giving out referrals often, don't really know the outcome of that. Has your past work experience involved coding?To not mess up the interview, just grind leetcode and glassdoor interview questions.And it's a numbers game, you'll fail interviews because you don't know the "trick" or you get nervous, but don't give up.
>>78825082Most companies that have 401k matching match either 50% or 100% of your contribution up to a % of your base salary.50% salary match up to $8250 is only about $4k. I don't even make that much base salary at a nontech company but I get more than that in 401k match. I've seen insurance companies offer 100% 401k match up to 7% of your base salary so it's misinformed to say how google is so extraordinary in that department. That being said im sure I'd rather take the Google compensation package than what I get now though
>>78825143I use R & Python on the job to do data visualization for boomers which gets me the approval I need to automate fiscal transaction reviews.I'm trying to get approval to build a flagging system based on all the past transaction logs to note any odd transactions, but it's a red tape nightmare.In my off time I do Rust & some C++/openCL projects.
>>78825140My RSUs vest every quarter. And they are like 75% of my base pay.
>>78825189That's pretty cool and I like that you want to do more. Not a lot of my colleagues do side projects, so I think you're easily right for some of the work. If they like a candidate, they'll find a job for you (at least at google). Just grind the interview questions (I did maybe like 2-3 questions of different types a day) while you look for a referral, you'll be happy to make the switch :)
>>78825170Google matches 50% of whatever you contribute up to the IRS limit. Your salary has nothing to do with it. So if you contribute the maximum of $19500 they give you $9750.
>>78825194Lucky you. I never got the quarterly treatment.I have a friend finally exiting one of the FAGMANs after his final vest (2 years). Been discussing options with him for months now.
I've been working at Microsoft for the last couple of years, and it's been pretty good. Turned down a YouTube offer to move up to Washington.Money has been great, got hired in as a principle with ~185k salary and 300k stock vesting over 4 years. MSFT has more than doubled since when I started, so my I'm currently clearing over 130k in stock/yr + annual bonuses and cash awards for working on military shit. Plus WA has no income tax, which is nice.
>>78824095No, stay in your own country we are full. I honestly don't need more Latinos here. I don't want the pajeets and Asians either but one at a time. Work in your own country and have success there and build it up. Nobody likes a fag who isn't invested in their community and culture.
>>78824268That smile :)
>>78818526Like half a million
>>788185261.1m after ~4.5 years
>>78824208Are you looking for new places to work?
>>78825416Any job openings for Hololens?
>>78824668>>78826346Just move to manassas bro
>>78826465You must be L5 or lived in a shit hole.
>>78815635No, not at all. I actually enjoy not working for one of those companies. I work in a small team and we each earn a significant amount of money every year and we appreciate eachother.
>>78815635>work in Michigan>10k/mo pre tax>low cost of living>pastiesMidwest is best
I'm insecure about having NEVER worked for fagman, I by no means would actually want to work there long term, i would want to be one of the faggots who works there two years and "resigns on principle"You know all these companies collaborate with eachother to fix wages right?
>>78817499I worked at Google and can confirm everything this anon has said. The engineering culture is completely terrible. I left after 2 years.
>>78815635>>78827527How do CS majors struggle to figure out that the cost of living in Silicon Valley renders their salaries worthless by comparison, and shouldn't IT companies be more open to work at home than anyone else?
>>78820156>DoD>remotewhat kind of software do you work on? if it's shit that requires a security clearance wouldn't they keep you under lock and key by requiring your physical presence?
>>78827337Started after college and lived in a one bedroom apartment within walking distance.
>>78824903where are you now?
I wish we had such salaries here in England
>>78825215oncall gives another $30k cash too
>>78828308>if it's shit that requires a security clearance wouldn't they keep you under lock and key by requiring your physical presence?that's how you know it's a LARP, there's no such thing as a home sipr
>>78831092I thought there was unless you were in a SCIF?
>>78815635I'm an electrical engineer working for a small "no-name" company, well we aren't no-name in our industry space but it's not like we're a faang company or anything. Anyway it's nice, the work-life balance is better than anything I could get at a faang company and while the pay is lower it's still good pay.
>>78831168Look up DoD disclosure statements. There is pretty much no way things can be done WFH.
can you get in fagman as a foreign tranny or are all the diversity hires only for american citizens?
>>78825061Manager role at a small non-IT industry tech company is top-tier, my base pay sucks, but if we take off, I'm set, and I have a lot of control over whether that happens or not.
I'm getting really sad living in the seattle/kirkland area. At this point I can move to just about any large city in the world. Where would y'all go?
I work at a fagman company and it's nice. I've reached the peak of my career and I'm making fat dosh. Somehow still not satisfied with life tho
>>78831285They just won't pay you much.
>>78826989Yeah that's my area, we're always looking for people. That army contract is printing money so If you have solid computer vision skills, and are American, chances are good that you'll get a good role. Head-tracking, eye-tracking and calibration teams are all desperate to hire more people.You don't specifically have to be American, but if you're a Chinese or Russian national your chances of getting on the project are just about 0.
>>78831660so all the foreigners are pretty much like slave labour at the big tech companies?their remuneration coming from by being allowed to be in the states?
>>78831529why are you sad when you live in the iconic spot for costco's brand name
>>78831770https://h1bdata.info/they get paid quite a bit, the whole idea that foreigners are underpaid at big tech is just a /g/ cope
>>78828247>350k income>140k taxes>40k in housing>20k in other expenses>still have 150k left over to spend on whatever I wantWow my pay sure is worthless.
>>78824639>I witnessed the same with my some of my irl friends and they all turned out happy and as fun as ever after a month or two.It's been years now... it left a severe scar on me. I don't care about her anymore, but I can't trust another woman again. Of all the women I've been with, I was with her the longest.I'm pretty much done with life.Work is all I have left and even there I'm burnt out.Think twice before becoming a software engineer folks.
>>78823744By lying, how are they going to prove that shit.
>>78821947are you collecting my info (muslim btw)
>>78831973>350k income>40k in housingWho are you kidding? That's at least 100k higher than median income, and you don't have a clue what the housing market it like in the Bay Area. Enjoy your whole in the wall.
>>78835871damn that's a crazy price for beachfront CA property
>>78831829>they get paid quite a bit, the whole idea that foreigners are underpaid at big tech is just a /g/ copeat regular companies they are underpaid
>>78835871that's actually a pretty nice cuck shed
>>78819164this. every team is different. every org is different.you might work in a laid back org of 400 people but be on the tryhard team because your tpm wants to become an exec or something
>>78816091I used to work for DoD. Work at FAGMAN now. I make more than 5x the money and love what I do.
>>78835871that is to buy or to rent?I can't buy a house like in my country for that money, but a rent for that shit is insane
Let's see>Advancing the limits of human knowledge>Selling advertising to gullible idiotsWhich one sounds more appealing
>>78831973> only makes $350 Don’t post that on Blind. You will get laughed off of it. > t. $550k+ TC
>>78836445>making 50k>making 500kWhich one sounds more appealing
>>78815635my no name company is using stochastic control theory, information theory, information geometry and quantum walks to trade stocks. Why would I work at a brand name?
>>78815635I view these companies as evil if I got a job there I'd end up doing espionage at best, or a mass shooting/assassination attempt of the globalist kike ceo at worst. I'll continue working at my no name company for now.
>>78836482>bragging about still working a jobDon't post that on wealth management forums. You will get laughed off of it
>>78836482I plan on retiring long before I can reach L7
>>78836680that's L6 pay
>>78836915Maybe if you account for stock growth and refreshers. Not for a fresh offer.
>>78836961nope, new offer for L6 can go up to 600k+ https://www.teamblind.com/post/Google-L6-compensation-cPxUcub1
>>78837025That's for FB
>>78837059learn to read, goog offers
>>78815635>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?FAGMAN is Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft, AMD, and NVIDIA?
>>78815635>no-name companyKek, if you haven't heard of my company you don't work in an office.
>>78835871>manufactured homeAka garbage.
You want to know the real reason? I have ADHD and can't into one hour coding challenges that they call "interviews"
We called them MANGA here. I don't work for any of them but I decide if they are going to have a future or if they will fail.So far we are passing (buy from them)MicrosoftAmazonBorderline, business as usualAppleNetflixFails badly to be avoidedGoogleFacebook
>>78837260>can't into one hour coding challenges that they call "interviews"then you can't do the job
>>78815635I live in a shithole, fagman only have accounting, support, translation and tech janitor (sysadmin) jobs hereI would need to move to the US and I'd like not to go to another shithole if I could choose
>>78837413They have offices all over the world and will support your immigration. No excuse.
>>78837496>They have offices all over the world and will support your immigrationI don't want to be yet another cockroach crawling outside his shithole to be a misfit in another shithole
>>78836494i'll pick the 500k one
>>78815635To anyone who has gone through the full interviewing process (I mean past the stupid programming challenge). What was it like? Did you get the job? Was the pay worth the months of preparation?I'm thinking of applying. I have several friends working for several FAGMAN companies, they're somewhat confident in my ability to get through the programming challenge at least (and so am I). But I'm too autistic to interview. That and not very ambitious. I think that last part is key. Friends tell me that I have to have a vision for what I want to do and that I need to be enthusiastic or I will fail the interview. What the hell? Why can't I be honest and say I just want a job that'll pay the bills? Why do I have to make up some story about my career aspirations? I aspire to be a land owner with a wife and kids
>>78840206>Was the pay worth the months of preparation?prepared for 1 month, got a 300k offer, so yes it was worth it, i got lucky though, only string questions and a tree question
>>78840278Was that all? I'm assuming you applied for software engineer. That would make sense. Thanks for your input bro
>>78819437god, this so much. I'm so sick of being invited to slack channels that are pro BLM, anti racist, seeing blog posts go out, being told to stop using blacklist in fucking meetings. If I didn't work in tech I'd think this shit was a joke.
>>78840509yup SWE, also, just lie and pretend to be enthusiastic, most of your interviewers are autistic themselves so it's not like they can tell
If I worked for a FAGMAN, I would probably leak as much internal shit as possible, just for the fun of fucking them over.
>>78816091Based VHDL inventors
>>78821941This place is genuine, you just have to sift through a lot non genuine advice
>>78840527What’s blacklist ?
>>78824220I mean it shouldnt be that hard, especially in the IT field, even before COVID tons of jobs were remote. Hell, I was a salesman on the phone in the past and managed to WFH for couple of years.Check your local jobhunting sites or just google remote jobs in your area
>>78840886That's a very hard description language man.
>>78840985blacklist/whitelist SJW bullshit
>>78817217do you have to use this shit https://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm
>>78844288yes, that's literally what I'm doing...
>>7881820010 year FAGMAN wagecuck here. My soul is drained and I want to quit. Bu I need the health insurance for my family.
>>78815635>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?no! its way better!i spend 3 years in MS on the C# compiler team, and basically when i left i looked 15 years older, almost ruined my life.now i work in a mid-tier mobile games company, and the difference its just huge.. stress? i dont know what stress is.
>>78815635>Are you insecure about working for a no-name company instead of a FAGMAN?*laughs in 25-hour work week*
> be me> ok dev> hates FAGMAN companies> Decides to do a degree in computation arts because I'm a creative cuck> Graduate as one of the top students as corona hit> 4/30 graduates landed a job> work at a startup, only employee, 40k/year> do cool AR/VR and 3D stuff> Boss is based senior dev with a big brain and non politically correct jokes> Learn a fuckton every weekD-did I make it guys? I know I don't make much but I think the learning makes up for it.
>>78823958>H1BFuck off, we're full
>>78845766You sound like you made it. Relax about the money you make, having shittons of money doesn't help you deal with depression, loneliness, and apathy.
>>78845816>You sound like you made it. Relax about the money you make, having shittons of money doesn't help you deal with depression, loneliness, and apathy.It can get me many (You)s in the /bsg/ thread ;(
I work for ExxonMobil
>>78846134Why not just admit that you live and work in the worst city in Texas. Enjoy your Louisiana rapefugges.
>>78823720Argie here, just got a job at FAGMAN. Learn to code, learn some english and apply online.
>>78845766Best kind of job, don't leave, if you get better offers, ask boss for a rise instead.
>>78818200i'm on my first year and i want to hurt myself most days. i'm too stupid to work on something real but i'm seriously considering quitting and risking a lot of financial stability this early one just to try and work on something actually useful instead of wasting my life>>78825001amazon pays pretty doodoo and people here tend to dislike it. my team ain't bad but i fucking despise the work i do. meaningless, frustrating, and also learning absolutely nothing relevant1 year experience at amazon and i have zero tangible skills besides how to write bullshit internal java codebut living in washington instead of cali the cheaper cost of living and 0% state income tax makes up for it to an extent
>>78837317I probably could do whatever job they threw my way desu, just not in one hour, intervals. Fuck working your ass off.
>>78846094>try to make fun of python>clearly don't even know how to use it
>>78847211Yeah that's the fucking point retard.
>>78816091But then I’d have to deal with fucking svn and other god awful tools all the time.Plus the clearance and certified lab crap. I’ve got plenty of friends that work for the DoD and they’re jealous of my WFH.
>>78821701most of it is team dependentbut usually get ready to use a fuckload of incredibly poorly maintainedinternal tools that nobody else in the fucking industry usesyou're going to be using a lot of shitty amazon knockoffs of more standard products and libraries
>>78847253>svnNot as bad as TFS
>>78815635I used to but since I'm joining a FAGMAN next week (with a nice compensation bump and a team I really like) not anymore
>>78817499God I hate how true this is. I'm just sticking it out until my round of RSUs vest and jump to a startup. Maybe I'd do another FAGMAN if it paid way more than what I'm getting now but the chance of landing an offer and working in a descent team is low.
>>78847100>fails on efficacyas i said, you can't do the job
fuck working in tech after I did tech shit in the army I went into the trades now I get $50 an hour to so shit like install wall sockets for people who are afraid they might get zapped