Imagine the power draw
>>78808185i stg if I see one more of these shitty threads
Imagine getting irradiated
>>78808185Something like this?
Kneel crt virgins
>>78808209CRTs put out about as much radiation a year as a small bunch of bananas
>>78808209Imagine not knowing the differences of radiation
>>78808185I KNEEL CRT CHADthey were to comfyshame all the ones i owned went shit
>>78810296Well done my child, maybe when we play CSGO again this time i will let you win
>>78808186~100w, fair price for absolute performance>>78808209pic>>78809786You kneel, follower of blur. You foolish consumer.
>>78810763>~100WThat's like a modern 50" QLED tv my dude
CRTbros, are we done?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDB9sONfJ5Q[spoiler]not really, i just want to promote this channel[/spoiler]
>>78810964I'm gonna tell you again, you sound like a gigantic fucking faggot.
>>78810964a5hun is a massive tubechad. He knows way more even than most CRT posters on this board.
>>78811154There's literally no better in depth monitor reviewer in youtube currently. If you prefer written formats, he's got that covered too https://www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ViewSonicXG270/
>>78811236What about mustache Tim from AMD Unboxed?
This constant CRTspamming has just made me hate them.
>>78811272Much preferable to Apple spamming, at least CRTs are still good at some things.
>>78811271Nah he doesn't get anywhere near as detailed, and Unboxeds and everyones else pixel response time tests are very flawed according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZUgKpzTA0
>>78811236Great. Now I can get the same information in a couple of minutes instead of listening to a faggot for half an hour.
>>78808186>>78810763>>78810920crt monitors take about 50w, that is really nothing compared to the several hundred the computer uses.
>>78812958mine uses ~140w :')
>>78812958My 19" used 120w.
>>78813103>>78813115>>78812958It does depend on what you're displaying and how your CRT is set up, I don't have a watt meter, id be cool to see how CRTs actually behave
i dont kneel to niggers
>>78813515Your shoe is untied
>>78813103>>78813115Ok my 19inch iiyma 1451 is currently using 70W, a little more than 50W but its not 100+
>>78813572Fuck this timeline
>>78813572>iiyma 1451only 96kHz, I have a 454 which is 130kHz and draws more power
CRT screens on csgo is like cheating
>>78813660The scan rate will not account for that large of a difference. You monitor is probably not very energy efficient but I suppose that was not even a slight consideration at the time so power draw is probably rather arbitrary.
So much cope from LCD fags defending their flatmeme shit image quality. CRT pisses in your mouths now and forever.
>>78814019>The scan rate will not account for that large of a difference.you're right, I looked up the power draw of the 1451 and it's apparently 130w, not much less than my monitor.
>>78813681Bro1440x1080i180hz on a 22" DiamondtronYou can see fucking everythingThis is the dreamI don't really play this game much but might as well now just to get that global the 9001th time
>>78814711>anime pfpjust as bad as people who use their fursonas
>>78814711I was a smfc on cs go 4 years ago when j was playing, it was insane on a IBM p275 and the monitor is still running fine after all these years
>>78814904>attracted to drawn animal>attracted to drawn humanAlso, pic related
>>78815075The all seeing eye of American Megatrends...How have I missed you, old friend
>>78814711based CRT csgo veteran player
>>78814904The salt and seething is so satisfying>>78814966I played on LCDs for years, high resolution, size and sharpness is a huge advantage on them, so much so I'd rather play on a shitty generic 24" 60hz IPS than a worn out blurry 17" at whatever refresh rate. But this NEC just delivers tho, the image quality and sharpness if flawless at those absurd modes. It's also YUGE, bit taller than a 24" 16:9
>>78808185How do you even connect that to a modern GPU? Theres nothing with analogue outputs anymore, even dvi-d is deprecated.
>>78815089Its still there if you disable the boot logo
>>78815432I just watch 1080p porn on it with an old sony vaio laptop lol
>>78815432I use Delock 62967 DP-VGA adapter, can do some pretty fun stuff, pic related isnt anywhere near close to the limits. It's the resolution I use for desktop.
>>78815441thanks for the tip. will do
>>78808185>Throw into the eWaste bin The age of CRTs has already been over since late 2000s. Nostagic-fags and hipsters are only people who still give a shit on obsolete, flickering, blurry/distorted, power-hungry trash.
>>78815075that'll be cos its got no fucking attery in ithelo kitty
>>78815735you're just a nigger
>>78815075thread = "depressing"do you want to go bak?NO.do u miss it?NO.
>>78815432Active convertors are required (Good-bye to CRT's so called trivial input lag "advantage")
man CRT shill threads are becoming more common than apple shill threads here, not that I'm complaining. If this continues I'll be able to get over 10 grand from my FW900.
>>78815069>attracted to drawn anything
>>78815770>CRT-fags seething this hard when people call out on their obsolete trash tubes that are nothing but relics.
>>78815813>attracted to a random blend of genes instead of the crystallization of attractive qualities known to man
>>78815075THAT ATARI STICKER .. ITS WORTH FKING $30 NOWTHATS A FUCKING RARE STICKER'i wonder if santa knew you'd be a crazy piece of shit when you turned fifty'
>>78815792Nope. Especially HDMI-VGA adapters are really simple and have maybe 0.3ms of latency. Haven't seen testing of DisplayPort adapters but the latency is certainly basically zero. It's far cheaper to build a just-in-time adapter than one with buffers and scaling.>>78815821>>78815735>obsoleteHow is it obselete if there's nothing modern that match or beat it in few whole game genres and motion clarity overall?>flickeringDoes not apply to good CRTs>blurry/distortedDoes not apply to good CRTs>power-hungry trash.check >>78813572
>>78815884Sorry, sweetie. CRTs all have flickering issues and image distortion even so-called top-of-the models. You are just poisoned by nostalgia glasses. They are completely obsolete by quality LCDs in nearly every mertic. MicroLEDs will completely rape both LCDs and CRTs.
>>78815958Can't wait for microled to happen just for CRTfags finding new excuses
>>78815958i like this fucking big steam roller im rolling around on .. cos its fucking DIESEL'they're all electric now'naw DIESEL coff coff coff
>>78816050Eletrical motors are already better. The only real issue is energy storage. Hydrocarbons shit on chemical/metallic batteries.
>>78815958flicker = motion clarity, you cannot have one without the other. If a MicroLED display is built that has the motion clarity of a crt then it will flicker just as bad as a crt.
>>78815075what i can't understand .. all these 'enthusiasts' picking MONITORS.monitors = the uglies tech for about 30 yearshorrible fizzing fucking toxic vapor emmitting SHITno quality, anywherey aren't there threads all over the neatest fucking micros .. dissecting stuff like the weird shit that awas going on in the 80s. the oric atom was running FORTRAN wasn't it .. fortran in the bios .. that is INTERESTING. shtty fucking beige monitors = the worst sort of landfill = uninteresting (even if you want to go (back) there)
>>78815958>They are completely obsolete by quality LCDs in nearly every mertic. yeah, except>motion clarity>response time>black levels in a dark room (only LCDs that win here are mini-LED backlit)>resolution flexabilityuntil a display technology comes around and beats CRTs at all of these strengths, they will remain not obsolete. I look forward to MicroLED and QDEL, because I really don't wanna keep using a CRT forever.
>>78816146Wrong, motion clarity has nothing do with flickering. That has entirely depended on the how monitors works.
>>78816146Just ramp up that refresh rate to 300+ Hz.
>>78816217LCDs already had match or beaten the overwhelming majority of CRT units in all of those areas. You probably haven't use and seen a recent quality LCD in person.>CRT-fags keep fapping to a handful of top-of-line units in their prime while ignoring the vast majority of units which were mediocre at best or downright garbage
>>78816217>keep using a CRTPLANET DESTROYER
>>78816159based and boomer pilled
>>78816251That only works if you content is 300fps. Motion clarity requires that the refresh rate matches the frame rate.
>>78815958This is just bait, but I'll respond anyway>CRTs all have flickering issuesYou don't know what you're talking about. I can't perceive the flicker above 85hz, but what I do perceive is the massive motion clarity advantage my CRT has over anything sold today, thanks to its natural strobing.>image distortion even so-called top-of-the modelsI'm typing this on one and it's absolutely brilliant at 1920x1440, it resolves my 9px terminal bitmap fonts even in corners without issue, it's absolutely beatiful>You are just poisoned by nostalgia glasses.Can't be nostalgia when I'm using one right now>>78816027Once affordable monitors that actually beat CRTs in my games I'll gladly drop these huge aging tubes.>>78816264Even a low end piece of shit absolutely wins over any LCD in specific games.>>78816251300hz+ sample&hold isnt anywhere near close to eliminating motion blur, let alone coming close to CRTs. You need at least 1000hz for that.
>>78816217>only LCDs that win here are mini-LED backlit>believing samshits marketing campaignAhahahahahaha
>>78815089pls. what the fuck do you miss
>>78816264Motion clarity is so bad in lcds, that the cheapest most fucked crt found lying in a dumster will still far exceed the most expensive lcds in this metric.
>>78808185You really want an object to make you feel special. I'll smash the CRT I was going to save just for you.
>>78816264>LCDs already had match or beaten the overwhelming majority of CRT units in all of those areasno they don't, you're straight up lying>You probably haven't use and seen a recent quality LCD in personI actually have, 2019 """gaming""" monitor that cost several hundred and was a pile of shit. I sold it.>>78816314I can feel the retardation resonating from this post
>>78815075>low radiationThey put this for a reason
>>78816307nother fucking retroheadthat keyboard looks almost unuseable, imo
>>78816322The nostalgic triangle. also fun information about my system.Just disabled the filthy asus boot logo. feels good
>>78816307>I have shitty vision who can't see the issues (Blurry text, mild image distortion towards center of the screen) with that CRTs despite the crappy screenshotSorry, low-end CRTs (Cheap monitors and TVs) were complete and utter trash (Fuzzy as shit and flickery as fuck [even a half-blind fool like yourself can notice). Any decent modern LCDs rapes hard.Kiddo, I grew up on CRTs and have seen and use various models and grades. Modern LCDs blow the water out of the overwhelming majority CRTs that were every made. Only a handful of high-end CRT units in their prime hold-up.Videophiles (The pickest SOBs) don't miss CRTs at all. It is just nostalgic-fags or young hpsters who never saw them before that give a shit about them.
Has anyone measured ansi or ebu contrast black level on their crt with a spectroradiometer? I see all those claims about "good contrast" all the time, but I've never seen actual numbers and I don't remember contrast being exceptional on them.
>>78816472contrast and black level*
>>78816327>I have never used a mainstream/low-end CRT before the postWrong, modern LCDs match or blow the water out of majority of CRTs at motion clarity. The visual cortex in your brain is just very good at masking the faults of the CRTs.
>>78816472yes yes everyone knows that their ansi contrast is around 300:1 but that is the worst case scenario value. real world contrast is quite a bit higher but harder to quantify due to their "dynamic" presentation.
>>78808185i always wonder if any of these crt retards have ever used an apple retina display for an extended period of time, no crt is even close lol
>>78816383>cost several hundredThis is bargin bin spec however you look at it. Come back when you bought actual top of the line hardware.
>>78816462Do you know how cameras work? Dumb retard. This monitor has variable stripe pitch and dynamic focus circuitry (due to flat face), the sharpness is optimized the most for the center. Tho I completely recalibrated it and it has perfect focus over the whole face. It looks completely alien to any other CRT ive seen.I wanna marry my NEC CRT>low-end CRTs were complete and utter trashWell I do agree, but to this day they have handful of uses and no LCD or OLED can replicate. >>78816518You can't be this retarded. Link me a LCD that can display 60hz without motion blur, like a CRT can.
>>78816593>coping for this hard for shitty visual acuityLCDs have match it when they gone 120hz and beyond.60hz CRT, a flickering, migraine inducing mess versus 60hz LCD that is motion blurry mess (Pick your poison)60hz is trash regardless what monitor tech you are driving for motion clarity on fast-pace motion.
>>78816550>LCDs are so shit you have to spend thousands to get a top-of-the-line one capable of beating a $20 CRTwoah amazing!
>>78816727>FIFY, $500+ CRTs (Back in their heyday and go for far more now due to scalpers/eWaste divers knowing that CRT-fags are willing to spend that much on obsolete garbage)
>>78816537Looks about right and as I remember that. Any light in the room probably turned that to 50:1 or less.
>>78816722>60hz is trash regardless what monitor tech you are driving for motion clarity on fast-pace motion.You're right about this, but only one LCD on the planet is competitive with CRTs (that I know of) and that would be the Viewsonic XG270.
>>78816761>Blurmasters are shills for vendors to upsell 360hz+ monitors that use artificial tests that do not reflect real-world usage patterns.
>>78816472As >>78816537 said they do about 300:1 in ANSI.Black levels are genuinely amazing though - like 0.001 candela or so. But the colors in practice look much better than 300:1 would suggest.
>>78816795>FIFY, there are large number of high-end LCDs that have match or suprass the majority of CRTs that were ever made. A few of them even match the handful of top-of-line CRTs in their prime.
>>78816831EBU tech 3320 says 0.01 cd/m^2 for black level, I'd rather believe them.
>>78816837They really don't. Even the XG270 still can't strobe at 60Hz or with VRR, and the shortest cycle strobing mode is still slightly slower than CRT while having even lower brightness.
>>78816864Yes 0.01 sounds right. I added a power of ten due to my fuzzy memory. In a dark room, it looks nearly as good as OLED.
>>78816889>BUT IT CANNOT MATCH AT 60HZ! EVEN IF 60HZ IS ALREADY SHIT!Talk about moving goalposts
>>78816889You're also forgetting crosstalk. The clarity it achieves is only in middle of the screen.Far cry from a CRT
>>78816864and that is for the "best of the best", with typical number of 0.05-0.1 cd/m2 for "production environment" which "very dimly lit room with dark gray walls" due to reflections.
>>78816864>>78816831>>78816901https://www.avsforum.com/threads/using-a-camera-to-measure-very-low-black-levels-methods-and-results.1717442/It goes lower. 0.01 nits was a limitation of contemporary colorimeters.
>>78816722>>78816795>>78816912There's still lots of 60hz games and content that look like absolute garbage on anything but a CRT. The flicker isn't anywhere near as big of a issue as the absolutely awful blur. If you wan't to gayme hard anyway. I never use 60hz unless otherwise.
>>7881691260Hz strobing is still necessary for games that are locked to 60FPS. >>78816917You're right, there is crosstalk as well. It's only competitive in the middle of the screen. The fact that a display specifically made to achieve good motion clarity can only kinda sorta keep up with basic office displays 20 years older than it is rather depressing.
>>78816958>Being this intoxicated by nostalgia glasses and don't realize modern LCDs and other modern display techs are rendering material material correctly and shitty CRTs had been masking the faults all this time.
>>788169250.06 isn't that low. They've just measured display that was on and off in a production environment and that's it. It shouldn't be hard for those autistic crtfags to get a konica-minolta cs-2000a and measure it directly, considering how much their displays cost now on ebay.
>>78815075>You now remember
>>78816722>60hz CRT, a flickering, migraine inducing mess versusYou are just weak, I have sat in front of my 60hz crt for 20 years and am doing fine.
>>78808185I think what annoys me more about today's monitors is that you can't fit some of your pictures on the wallpaper due to the large resolution they come with. I can center it, of course, but it still looks out of place.
>>78808185>kneelwhy? because I've been carrying it for more than a minute?
>>78814711How the fuck do you interlace? Nvidia just doesn't want to save any custom interlaced resolution, and CRU doesn't work.
>>78817011There's nothing "correct" about how LCDs "render" stuff. Their absolute pixel response times are still AWFUL, they have a completely unique source of massive motion blur (sample&hold) and the black levels are nowhere near black. CRTs, while not perfect at any of the above, do a million times better of a job at displaying anything non-static.
>>78816383>hurrr durr no u XDDDMini LED backligt is just another fucking hoax to fool retards like you that will do fuck all especially for monitors. Fuckhueg TVs can't even do decent local dimming. Won't be able to next year either.
>>78816472No. Anyone who cared enough was too embarassed to share the results.
>>78817149>Mah visual cortex and acuity is complete trash and I'm coping this hard the post
>>78817205ws lugging these fking things around for fucking yearsfuck CRTS
>>78817011> sample and hold> correcta frame is a point sampleit must be displayed at a single point in timestrobeing is the correct way to display a frame
>>78816958>The flicker isn't anywhere near as big of a issueThe flicker at 60Hz makes the screen literally unusable to mean, absolute trash. 85Hz is the minimum a CRT should refresh at. 60Hz on LCD has an image quality issue because of the worse motion resolution but at least it's usable, indeed for some use cases (like work or basic web browsing) the motion blur hardly matters at all.
>>78817297MiniLED isn't perfect, sure. You get some glow around objects sometimes because there aren't enough zones. But CRTs are worse with their light bleed, and they're a hell of a lot beter than single zone backlit LCD.
>>78817401If you have 60fps content then you have no choice but tolerate the flicker if you want good motion. If you cannot tolerate the flicker then you shall forever be forced to suffer motion blur for all 60fps content.
>>78817240On nvidia using analog outputs, it's not possible with modern Windows 10. However, with digital outputs interlace still ... "works". I got driver crashes, bootloops and dogshit performance when trying to interlace this way on a Win10 GTX970 system, while other people claim to have it work a little better. Oh, also forget about Linux.Now, AMD. Not much is known how it works in Windows but there's several claims of at least Polaris just working.On Linux, any GCN cards with DVI-I will just work. Polaris requires amdgpu.dc=0 kernel flag, because DisplayCore breaks interlace (the squish bug). DisplayCore however is a REQUIREMENT for Vega and Navi, so you're limited to Polaris. DisplayCore is supposedly a cross-os part of the driver or something like that, so there's a chance Vega and up dont work on Windows either. If someone can test this, please do.There's also multi-gpu setups. On Linux GCN1+Navi just works.For adapters, I use Delock 62967 and it works beatifully. Anons claim cheap Rankie ones do just fine too.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>78817205>cant carry 20 kilos for a minute
>>78808185Are CRTs the beats by dre of monitors?
>>78818070In addition to the 200 I weight? no
>>78815075America megatrends does the bios of mobos in AWS data centers. Flextronics, Foxconn, etc. Fun fact.
>>78818693Well there's not much else. There are AMI, PhonixAward, Coreboot and Insyde. Coreboot is used only in a few servers like Google ones and Insyde is mainly used in shitty consumer trash.
>>78810148(((They))) said the exact same thing about Fukushima.
>>78814054This is true. Led is lifeless. 20 years and it's still shit.
>>78814054>CRTfags coping this hard as their blurry, flicking, distorted POS is completely obsolete.
>>78808185* teleports behind you *
>all these zoomers who will never smell itThat's something you'll never get out of an LCD.
>>78808185>*rapes your eyes*>nothing personal kidno thank, I'll take my washed up colors over this garbage
if I had more space I'd have kept my old Samsung Syncmasterah well
>>78819303>if I had more spaceI never got this. How do some people run out of space? Are you constantly buying stuff to put on the floor to fill up the happiness meter like on Sims?
>>78819517I literally have laptops and consoles lying on the floor in piles
>>78819058prime example of a zoomer not knowing you can calibrate a CRT using the flyback transformer screws, aswell the OSD menu
>>78819601I've had few CRTs that really benefited from a G2 adjustment, but the more recent NEC monitor I got.. I knew it was a good fucking monitor but I managed to make it have an absurdly uniformly perfect focus after I tinkered with those pots and dynamic focus h/v phase& in service OSD. Throw some interlace in the mix and youve got 1920x1440i120hz, perfectly sharp and flicker free on a CRT from bit over 20 years ago. Poking your CRTs with a screw driver can do some absolute magic.And I still have 12 different convergency OSD settings to fine tune on it!
>>78820456Better than running 1440p72hz, still flickers and restricted bandwidth starts to smear the picture. 120i is also damn smoooth
>>78818312Stop being morbidly obese.
>>78816550Okay, so if I spend several thousand dollars on a display over a decade newer, maybe it'll kinda sorta match what I already have? Amazing.
CRTfags are like the Lomography retards of photography.While people back then were about getting the best image quality, todays zoomers are about muh aesthetics.They deliberately turn on shit like interlacing that anyone with sense stopped using after 1994, just how Lomotards deliberately use broken and wrong films to get """aesthetics""".
>>78820706>doesn't understand what interlacing does
>>78820736What do you think it does?
>>78808185I do wonder how much better CRTs would have become if the manufacture was still legal
>>78816544>high PPI and IPS = magiclol
>>78820748Allows you to use considerably higher refresh rates and resolutions at the expense of a small amount of artifacting? Works for me.
>>78820770>>78820765The only reason you don't see the interlace flickering much is because you are using ridiculous resolutions that are blurry as shit
>>78820790I'm the owner of that nec and it does not blur at 1920x1440i120hz. It only uses 250mhz of bandwidth, 40mhz below what my monitor is rated for. Absolutely zero bandwidth smearing. The calibration I've done to it makes the beam sharp enough to actually resolve that resolution. The variable pitch grille limits color resolution a tiny bit in the edges. For CSGO I've been running 1440x1080i180hz or 1280x960i200hz, both far below what would smear bandwidth wise. Also, I was trying my hardest to look for combing, I could not perceive ANY unless my FPS dipped below my monitors refresh rate. I'm the biggest interlace shill there is but this even perplex me
>>78820921Interlaced OLEDs when? Imagine having a 1KHz display.
>>78820813Contradicting the point of crtfags about having a "ridiculously sharp" displayNope, you have a blurry piece of shit>>78820921>bandwithVGA is analog, you will have blur even below the maximum rated specs. Especially with the usual garbage quality cables.
>>78820938Who said tubes were sharp? Mine is only about 85% as sharp as an LCD even in progressive. It's sharp enough that I don't mind so much.
>>78808185God I miss my old G97.
>>78820962>Who said tubes were sharp?you>I managed to make it have an absurdly uniformly perfect focus
>>78820976Different guy. Mine isn't calibrated, I bet it would be sharper if I did though.
>>78820938>VGA is analog, you will have blur even below the maximum rated specs.I know that, and I know that the bandwidth rating on these monitors is similiar to GtG bullshit on modern monitors. But on this monitor 290mhz spec holds very well, resolutions coming close enough or exceeding will visually become to smear. >Contradicting the point of crtfags about having a "ridiculously sharp" display>Nope, you have a blurry piece of shitIt's ridiculously sharp for a CRT. It obviously can't match a fixed pixel display.
BEFORE THE MIGHT OF SUTEKH
>>78815884>How is it obselete if there's nothing modern that match or beat it in few whole game genres and motion clarity overall?oled
>>78817544>On nvidia using analog outputs, it's not possible with modern Windows 10.It isn't? 240p works on my old monitor in win10 so why wouldn't 480i?
>>78820674why thowon't get me laid anysure I'd live longer but who tf wants to stick around in this fucking mess
>>78821152Still lots of blur due to sample&hold. And eg the LG CX has BFI with ~4ms of persistence, far cry from a CRT or even a good strobed LCD monitor. Source: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/cx-oledBasically, pixel response times are only half the battle. Persistence is far more important.>>78821178>240p works on my old monitor in win10 so why wouldn't 480i?Ask novideo, nobody can get interlace to work on analog outputs anymore.
>>78818260Funny, my entry level 144hz VA looks like the CRT one, with the ultra fast response setting turned on.Though, the brightness drops to half so I don't usually use it.
>>78821239Yea, that's backlight strobing. If you wave your hand in front of pure white with that mode youd see it strobe in a funny way. Try this page to see some obvious flaws with it https://www.testufo.com/crosstalk
LCDs look better than CRTs when you're not sitting in a pitch black roomIf you have a good screen and don't set the brightness to 100% you wont have noticeable IPS glow
>>78821269I have no idea what you're talking about.
>CRT>Flat panelWhy not both?
>>78821443Add that to the list of better timelines.. >>78821275One thing that struck me about (high end little used) CRTs is the uniformity. Full screen solid colors just look plain bad on any other monitor vs my tube. I know comparing pro equipment, even if 20 years old to random consumer LCDs isnt fair ..
>>78821662>Add that to the list of better timelinesit hurts so much, everything is shit now. technology is going in the worst possible direction
>>78814711I'm thinking about getting another CRT-Monitor myself and going back to retro/classical games.
>>78820750>manufacture was still legalCrts where exempt from the lead restrictions, whilst I believe that restriction has lapsed now, they died long before they would have been illegal
Anyone in this thread got experience servicing crts. My monitor has a very odd issue. Its fine when cold, but when it warms up the black level goes negative. Anything below about rgb level 30 appears black. Its been like this for 7-8 years and slowly getting worse, and I really need to fix it at some point.
>>78816159get of load of this guy, his brains probably resemble scrambled eggs
>>78816217too bad they get blown the fuck out in color reproduction, resolution, refresh rate, power consumption, weight, appearance (come on, get real), obtainability, eco-friendliness (lol)'motion clarity' jesus christ the motion clarity on my 165hz nano-IPS panel is just fine (also the input lag is like 0.5 ms), sure if you have a high-speed camera and you do the ufo meme test and stare at individual frames you can see, but it's not worth losing everything elseif you *genuinely* believe CRT > modern LCD and aren't just baiting (like at least 90% of people on /g/ do) then you need to be institutionalised
>>78825733Not my fault your shitty eyes can't see motion blur.I notice it instantly whenever I use an LCD, and I'd take clear motion over the LCD advantages you listed any day.
>>78808185I punched one of these once and my fist got sucked in as the vacuum collapsed, I'm still afraid of these things three decades later.>>78810763Chart incomplete, where's the value for a day spent on 4chan?
>>78825733CRTs still take the crown for punch resistance. I have punched out several laptops and even destroyed my desktop computer. I have punched my CRT and even kicked it with both feet and it stayed strong. The pathetic LCD would have been destroyed many times over.
>>78825770you mean i don't imagine things that aren't there because of confirmation bias? fuck off, modern gaymer LCDs are fine for this for practical use
>>78825877my parents had a CRT that randomly started emitting smoke and never worked again after about a month of light use
>>78826411https://www.testufo.com/crosstalk#photo=toronto-map.png&pps=1920&pursuit=0can you read the text on this map?no? you can't?well I can, but I guess I'm just "imagining" it because of my "confirmation bias"keep coping
>>78825360Your monitor needs just a G2/SCREEN adjustment. Open your monitor up, power it on, and adjust G2 with a screw driver. G2 is one of the potentiometers on the flyback transformer. There's usually two focus pots as well, worth a twist. This should be perfectly safe if you're not a retard. Look up more on the interwebs.>>78825770>Chart incomplete, where's the value for a day spent on 4chan?Gave me a chuckle>>78825733>>78826411Nah. The difference is absolutely ridiculous. On modern panels you can not track fast moving objects, especially text. Everything in motion looks cloudy and just bleh compared to a tube
>>78825360Also, many monitors boost black levels to compensate for a cold tube, that's my guess on why it doesn't exhibit black crush on startup.
>>78826489is this a joke? why would i need to be able to read it?
>>78827613So you aren't able to read it?
>>78827613I hope you now realize what an absurdly large difference there is between a good monitor and modern gaming garbage
>>78826489>>78827198oh my god you guys are serious, you think CRT monitors are superior because you can read fast moving text?? what kind of a use case is that? and on what planet does that benefit outweigh all the other cons? i'm going to assume you're both just trolls if you don't give good answers because that is actually fucking absurd. i actually started laughing uncontrollably for a few seconds at least when i opened that guy's testufo link when i realised what his argument wasdo you have a job that requires this? if so, i could imagine owning one, and doing everything else on other monitors
>>78827656oh wait - i don't think the second guy was arguing CRTs were superior based on that, and i'll grant you they're superior for this (i'm assuming you're not lying, i haven't tested a CRT for this myself) - so that comment is just directed at the first guy
>>78827635name something meaningful then you frogposting piece of shit, i spent $500 aud on a dell S2721DGF and it checks pretty much every single box I can imagine aside from contrast (and i suppose i can't read google maps when its spinning around in circles)
>>78825733> color reproductionA good condition CRT likely does sRGB better than anything you currently own, with better blacks as well>resolution1920x1440 isn't enough?>refresh rate200hz isn't enough?Sure, can't run 1440p200hz but 140khz CRT can do 1080p120hz. And due to the perfect motion clarity it BTFOs 360hz gaming S&H garbage with ease>power consumption20-30w more than some modern gaming monitors>weightThat's my tables job to deal with, do you keep your monitor on your lap or something?>appearanceOld professional hardware looks awesome, but yea most 2000s stuff looks UGLY> eco-friendliness (lol)fair>>78827656>>78827708This is like explaining color to a blind person, you need to see it to realize just how much worse any modern monitors are. The difference is ridiculously pronounced in video games, those testufos don't even do it justice. Maybe a good example is trying to read signs or anything else that fly accross the screen in racing games. Cockpit view on modern LCDs is pure suffering.
>>78827656Any game with fast camera panning, Terraria for example, benefits immensely from CRT's low motion blur. Racing sims also benefit a great deal, the road moving fast under you doesn't become a horrible blur and you can actually read road signs as they whizz past you. Far more enjoyable experience, and you're clearly jealous you've never had it. Cope more.
>>78827848>This is like explaining color to a blind person, you need to see it to realize just how much worse any modern monitors are. The difference is ridiculously pronounced in video games, those testufos don't even do it justice.So much this
>>78827857>terrarianever played it, but this is a fair point from when i recall seeing it i suppose>jealousno, my mind went into the 'trying to talk to the crazy kid at school to understand how his mind works' mode, but if there are genuine use cases for it then i concede it has value in those areasi would spend 5k on a monitor if it were 4k 144hz with oled-tier contrast and CRT-tier response time; the reason i settled with the DGF is because it's an all-rounder (in most regards, the contrast is admittedly poor)if (God forbid) those all coincided in a CRT monitor, then i suppose id get one forklifted into my apartment>>78827848>1920x1440 isn't enough?no i use three 1440p monitors, and id rather 4k for the middle one, i work from home and i like to have everything open at once in the same place because for whatever reason i can work faster like that>weightgood luck putting a CRT on a standing desk, I suppose if you want to triple the cost of the desk. should have added bulk to that as well, they're a pain in the ass to move around even when you are strong enough
>>78827867>>78827848>This is like explaining color to a blind person, you need to see it to realize just how much worse any modern monitors are. The difference is ridiculously pronounced in video games, those testufos don't even do it justice.i'm not doubting this is true, i noticed the blur when i couldnt read the moving map, it just doesn't seem worth it to address this use case. reading signs in racing games? i play games with a panning/fast moving camera (dota, fps games, some mmos) and i don't feel affected in the same way i feel when i look at the blur on that map.
>>78828030>no i use three 1440p monitors, and id rather 4k for the middle one, i work from home and i like to have everything open at once in the same place because for whatever reason i can work faster like thatYea there's no point in using a CRT for productivity even if you do find those pro color-accurate CRTs with 1440p. Not worth it to put unnecessary hours on these aging particle accelerators either. I have several random LCDs for actual work, CRT is for fun and games.>>78828108The difference is still major, but you've played games on sample&hold monitors for your whole life and dont really know what its supposed to look like. Blurbusters actually uses those moba games as motion tests.There's several generations now who've never experienced a CRT, and gaming in general is so much bigger than it was in early 2000s. Everyones just forgotten that you should be able to track things in motion like you do in reality ..
>>78828471im 27 and started using computers for gaming when i was like 3, so i used crts for like 8 or 9 years, i just don't remember the transition being jarring, but i guess i was 11
>>78828579Yea we still had a CRT TV and a monitor in 2010 but I didn't give enough craps about games and computers back then. I remember playing minecraft on my friends CRT monitor, the thing I remember best about it was a pink blob of distorted color on it and that zombies dropped feathers.
>>78828666My monitor died a few years ago so I had to fall back on my old CRT from 2001. Minecraft was actually scary at night because it was so dark. It completely changed the feel.
>>78817544wait hol up, delock 62967 works on linux now? that'd be good news as when i got one in march it hard froze my system when i plugged it in. i haven't been able to use my 115khz hitachi since the move from a gtx 970 to an rx 480.
>>78829369I once saw one 115kHz hitachi that had a very good dot pitch of 0.21mm
>>78829369Adapters have always worked fine for me, tho polaris cards used to be rather buggy on lots of ways with earlier 4.x kernels. I'm running 5.9.8 with amdgpu.dc=0 kernel flag and the Delock 62967 just works, even with interlace.But that Hitachi sounds interesting, I have a monitor from 1996 with a Hitachi tube, pic related.
>>78828030>no, my mind went into the 'trying to talk to the crazy kid at school to understand how his mind works' mode, but if there are genuine use cases for it then i concede it has value in those areasIt's literally a toy for games anon, they are useless for anything else these days, what is hard to understand here?
>>78830154t. spent half a grand on a gaming monitor
>>78830325I haven't played anything for 5 years or so.
>>78828030>id get one forklifted into my apartment>he doesn't carry themWeak.
meme or actually the best crt?
>>78830542meme. There are better ones, it's just hyped because of 16:10
>>78830542>not 4:3to the trash it goes
>>78830392Maybe you didn't but he did.
>>78814904>>78827656PRO GAMINGRO GAMING
>>78830542You're fucked once the flyback transformer dies.
>>78831019Why would it die?
>>78831019>flyback transformer diesflybacks don't just die
i love crts
>>78830542Meme, there are better CRTs. That said it's still a decent CRT and I'd absolutely love to have one. Wide CRTs are kinda nice as you get a bit of free resolution from the same amount of lines/refresh rate, though you do still need more bandwidth.
Reminder to do the Testufo test, just to see the superior CRT motion clarity, LCD/LED just can't compete
>>78832900And they love you too, for not throwing them away uwu.
>>78808185I love shooting CRTs with 308
>>78825877Why would you do that? Autism?
>>78808185can one of you guys help me with a crt problem?Sony Rear Video Projector, 1999It has 4 AV ports, but the TV has a function called “channel skip” where you can remove channels from showing (which is what the previous owner did for all 4 AV channels).You need the remote to reset it, but I don’t have that.Any help would be massively appreciated.
>>78838098pic of it
>>78838098>>78838111First of all thats not a crtIf your phone has an ir blaster try some apps for itor get an universal remote
>>78829459Do you watch Laserdiscs
>>78808185On it's neck until it dies for good.
>>78838098>>78838111Use to be able to control TVs with older Android phones but they removed that feature from newer phones so you'll have to get an adapter for it. Or just buy a remote off ebay.
>>78838098>rear projectionI remember seeing one of these back in the 90s at a friend of my dads. Size was impressive, picture quality was not. Was still cool at the time though.
>>78831190>>78831214the W900 series is extremely prevalent to flyback death
>>78831190>>78831214Its usually retards (especially on Hardforum) trying to run this thing at a 400mhz+ pixel clock and overworking the flyback. They could just chill at 2560x1400@60hz or even 1920x1200@96hz and probably never run into any issues. That or use an interlaced resolution if they want to run at a higher refresh rate.
>>78830542There are CRTs that technically mog it in hardware like some of the high end Iiyama sets, but it has the unique aspect of being 16:10. If you want a widescreen VGA monitor, this the OG w900 and the 28HD96 are your only options with the latter being 16:9. Pretty much the goat for modern games/content, with the other sets exceeding in 4:3 friendly content.
Scary thing is I used to have 2 of those NEC multi-sync CRT's on a multi head config. They went to the trash ages ago
why would you kneel? ur supposed to sit in front of it
>>78839941How does pixel clock have anything to do with the flyback transformer?
>>78830542its a decent crt, it gets the hype because of the unusual aspect ratio and that there are a fair number of them floating around, higher end crts exist, but they are significantly more rare
Here in the UK you can still get them relative for free
>>78842079Pixel clock rates near peak throughput often kept vsyncs at or above rated limits, which was the actual flyback killer> t. Iiyama owner who will have no part in that sort of retardation
>>78842867I've been running bunch of my monitors at higher than rated vsyncs, and nothing has blown up yet .. Does high vsync actually shorten flyback lifespan?
>>78842867I looked things and if I understood right, flyback only deals with horizontal deflection, another IC creates vertical. Can any CRT repairmen confirm?
>>78842079>>78842867>>78843202The CRT does not give a shit about pixel clock. However horizontal scan rate tends to increase with pixel clock, so a high pixel clock would correspond with possible damage, but it is not the pixel clock, that just correlates with high scan rate.
>>78842692How? Everyone in my cunt got rid of them 10+ years ago. I did manage to get a samshit one for 10€ or something like that but only after looking for a very long time, and it's not great. My old Sony died but that wasn't exactly great either. That one only did 1600x1200@60hz so no biggie.
>>78816761is this shit even seable if youre not getting 360 frames a second?
>>78844519Not even at 360hz. Meanwhile a CRT at 60hz will display it just fine.
>>78844593https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDB9sONfJ5Qskip to 20~ minutes
>>78844853>Paying 430$ for this monitor that tries to be motionblur-free while you can get a CRT for free and it still performs better I fucking hate modern technology
>>78814711WTF? Where do I get a CRT that can display high refresh rates like that?I checked local offers but I only find cheap low quality CRTs. That high end shit is nowhere to be found.
If I pull that off will you die?
>>78846078Where do you live?
>>78846129Buenos Aires, Argentina.
>>78846170Well, >>78814711 lives in Finland, the holy land of Nokia. Quite a bit of old high-end graphic design monitors there.
what CRTs should I be on the look out for?
>>78846193I couldn't find high end stuff but I found some that look decent.Viewsonic 17 E70f+LG Flatron Ez T730shSamsung Syncmaster 997mbSamsung Syncmaster 753 DfxSamsung 793 DfWhich one is the best?
>>78846078>>78846193I dont know about that .. I was low effort looking for a year and this is the best I found. >>78846314The Syncmaster 997mb is the only 19" 96khz one. Mid-tier monitor.
>>78846381>>78846314As he says, the Syncmaster 997mb is pretty much the only worthwhile out of them. Except if you want to play retrogames or something, then basically anything will do.96kHz would be good for a 17" tube but for a 19" it's mid tier
>>7884624919" and above filters out a lot of garbage. If you want to play epic dos gaymes you can get another small low dot pitch monitor exclusively for that.
>>78846381>>78846407Thanks, I thought the Viewsonic 17 E70f+ was better but now that you mention it the Samsung Syncmaster 997mb has better specs.And the samsung is really cheap too, it's selling for less than 10 US dollars, I think I'm gonna buy it.
>>78846562I mostly want high refresh rate
>>78846748How high? The refresh rate depends on your resolution.Notice that anon is running interlaced in >>78814711>180
>>78846748That monitor should do 1080i160hz or 900p100hz. Will be pretty comfy.
>>78808185Sorry moit, i only kneel to two things, the queen and me mrs ahaha
>CTRL F "George Floyd">No resultsDisgusting, didnt know this board was filled with white supremacists. you should all be ashamed of yourselves, black lives matter!
>>78828157Warms your room though.Great for winter.
High end CRT's are a rarity. Pre LCD the market was flooded with low end CRT's.The jump to LCD's wasn't only because of space considerations (yes you can have a smaller CRT) it was because the majority of CRT monitors sold with business/enterprise/gov/etc PC's were low end trash that induced eye strain.Reducing eye strain and other health issues (headaches) is what lead to the widespread adoption of LCD's. Can't have a worker sit in front of a screen all day and get eye issues and headaches.The problem is the high end CRT was niche and didn't get its day in the sun before the LCD craze hit. If it did and it mitigated the eye strain issues, we would have seen minaturized high grade CRT's along with LCD's.
>>78847966T. simple as
>>78848272What do you class as a high end CRT?> minaturizedYou cannot miniaturize CRTs, making them shallow increases deflection angle which totally fucks up everything. That is not something which could be designed around.
>>78849368Not him, but I'd say anything that has extensive enough OSD. Eg. if the monitor has any OSD convergency controls, it likely was a pretty expensive one. Kiloherz isn't a super good measure, a consumer 96khz and a professional 105khz are nothing alike.
>>78849368I read that people were actually working on slimmer CRT technology, maybe even using multiple electron guns.
>>78852229There is nothing wrong with CRTs they way they are. My monitor is only 20 inches deep, that's not a big deal.
>>78849368Wouldn't increasing deflection angle just make them less power efficient?
>>78852598A large deflection angle results in a terrible dot pitch. It gets really bad at the edges as the beam striking at a shallow angle causes it to cast a wide oval shape.
>>78852886Ah I see what you mean. So, what if you made a CRT that's like 4x deeper than it is wide? Would that have any performance benefits?
Is IBM P275 a high end crt? Should i keep it?
>>78849368camcorders literally used crts for the viewfinder. it can be done, its just not practical.
>>78854152Seems pretty great. Might not have a bunch of meme settings in the OSD, idk, but it has about as much as you can ask for in terms of resolution and refresh rate.
Are bananas really that radioactive or why are they always used as a example for how radioactive things are?
>>78854949Virtually everything is radioactive, bananas a tiny bit more than usual. Just puts things like CRTs in to perspective, how literally harmless most radiation is.
>>78854949They have radioactive potassium.
>>78808185No. I take care to destroy the CRTs I acquire to remove the heavy pieces of shit from circulation because CRTfags are so annoying.
>>78808185>press "s" to spit
>>78808185I WANT A BVM SO BAD
>>78838173It has 3 CRT's.
>>78857296you only embolden them by increasing their value due to decreased supply
>>78854262Yes. They are very deep compared to the picture size.
>>78854262Its not about the absolute size, its the ratio of width to depth. Camcorder CRTs are tiny but their proportions are pretty normal.
>>78858253Oh wow, that one is super deep, it looks like they just took a normal sized electron gun an just stuck it on a tiny screen. There are viewfinder CRTs that are better proportioned.
>>78857201You mean phosphorus and it's not radioactive. CRTs do NOT emit ionizing radiation you turd gnawer
>>78810964Imagine getting banned because you can't stop shilling a pathetic jewtuber's channel.
>>78820975I have that same Cobalt tool kit.
>>78815552>analog to digital converterrip your input latency
>>78815432one more reason to keep the gtx 1080ti, which will go down in history as the most powerful gpu who still had an analog port (dvi-d)
>>78817297>>78817428mini led is not micro led. you two braindead niggers fell for the marketing. dumb faggots.
>>78859303You in the picture? I said it's a fucking hoax, you absolute mongoloid. It's just ever so slightly improved local dimming. Like I said, it will do fuck all for monitors as it doesn't even really work on 65" TVs because they still have a laughably low amount of zones.
>>78859216Yes, 0.3ms slower
Too bad csgo is now free, do other fps games support 160hz refresh rate? Thinking of building a gaming fps pc based on my ibm p275 cause i only watch porn now on it
>>78859802>do other fps games support 160hz refresh rateBasically all of them?
>>78858563I was talking about bananas.