Computer Engineering degreeyay or nay?Do you end up as a codemonkey anyway
>>78807749i did CE and regret it every day. just do cs
>>78807857why do you regret it
>>78807857Same but I regret getting into this field at all, should've gone for economics or something
>>78807861I work as a computer engineer in the san francisco meme area. Hours are much much longer and the pay is less than a regular SWE. Same story for most other CEs in other companies as well. Can only jump to very few companies so no leverage there either. I hate my life.
>>78807878but you get 0 job if you go for economics
>>78807905Not true, economics is up there with Accounting.
>>78807915nani the fuck
>>78807749Most I have studied with have becomed code monkeys. My time of reconing is next year... The content itself of the education is fun though
>>78807749Absolutely no one gives a shit betwene CE or CS in industry.
>>78807926I see you're a man of culture as well. Is that your favorite Nanahira song?
>>78807857in process of doing CE and i regret it everyday. i wanna be a code monkey but there is no software engineering degree at my uni. only cs and ce both of which are shit in their own way. cs is lots of abstraction and theory and ce is hardware and simple programming lol. both of which dont make you into a good dev but an academic circle jerk
>>78807901Maybe you are the a problem here. kys
>>78807956hurr hurr. everything I said is true
>>78807948just do CE for the moment but get a swe job right after college. You'll still get call ups because of some of the simple programming that you will do. make sure to do a couple of side meme projects to get the recruiters all excited. I know plenty of CEs/EEs that work as SWEs now
>>78807948then maybe ce is really what I want...
Can't you go make barrels of cash programming FPGAs for Raytheon missile systems or something. seems like a good gig. fuck the bay area.
>>78807984This, I'm a driver dev now
>>78807984already have a good portfolio. been coding since 13. my github has a dx12 and vulkan renderer, a mini c compiler and a windows kernel driver. i applied to 12 software internships this month and got rejectes from all of them. my gpa isnt the highest 3.5 but i go to a top 10 US uni and still cant get software internships lol. so ye im depressed af and thats why i hate CE.
>>78808009that cannot be right. did you actually have a phone interview for the internships or were you rejected in the resume screen itself?3.5 from top 10 is pretty good. You have a really good chance of pivoting to SWE btw. Your CE degree wouldn't even come into the picture for the most part. Recruiters for the most part consider CE, EE , CS and SWE to be the same bucket for software roles.
>>78808009bruh, they probably aren't replying because they think you'll run away at the earliest opportunity or some shit, try to narrow your skills/exp/projects down to the particular role that you are applying or go for something above internship or even junior role, that's some solid background, also you'll need to crank that number up and get your resume revised, just fact of life
>>78808038In the resume tracker on the application site (assuming its legit) i got passed HR and rejected by the recruiting manager for the positions for 10 of them. for the last 2 they got shorted due to covid.
>>78808049its just summer internships man. im a junior right now. they won't even hire me for those. i really dont know whats wrong. not a SINGLE interview was offered. im also applying to smaller companies not shit like microsoft etc that are super popular. my resume got reviewed my the school talent search people that know this stuff and said it looks good. im unironically depressed cuz of this and on the verge of dropping out.
>>78808109my resume got reviewed by talent search department of a top 10 US uni. it looks fine trust me. it isnt that. chances are they simply dont like me cuz im not a diversity pajeet hire.
>>78808009Idk where you applied but assuming no larp right now is just a bad time to be looking for jobs. then again idk what your exact situation is either, maybe I just didn't aim very high but I don't even have my gpa on my resume, went to a no name-ish uni, and still graduated with 2 very good offers on hand and got to choose what I was passionate about. If you're as accomplished as you say and you aren't getting any callbacks perhaps you just need to lower your expectations. especially for internships, that's just about work experience it's not committing yourself to a vocation. I did internships in cyber security and biomedical data analysis, but landed an actual job in embedded systems dev.
>>78808122I graduated in spring btw
>>78808122well everything i said is 100% true. there is no reason to lie like a virgin as anon on 4chan unless you are a real low life. that aside, im from the midwest and applied to all internships in the Bay because i want to spend the summer with my girlfriend who lives there.
>>78808140well bay area is competitive right? and I'd imagine given similar credential, they'd choose candidates who don't have to relocate
>>78807948>cs is lots of abstraction and theory Yeah that's the fucking point. If you're a good programmer you'll actually be able to use those abstractions and theory to write better programs. I just had to re-write a parser written by some dumbfuck CE guy who basically did everything with muilti-dim-arrays/while-loops and retarded fucking index arithmetic that was impossible to reason about... all because he had never heard of a parse-tree or recursive descent parsing before.All that theory is actually useful, you just have to have half a brain to know when it applies.>>78807749I was told by a guy who got a CE degree (we hire a lot as code monkeys where I work) that he regrets it because now he's just a shitty programmer and a shitty electrical engineer.>>78808049Yeah, this is a thing actually. It's fucked but when you look TOO good you'll actually get passed over for internships and entry-level jobs because you're seen as a risk to both pursue and retain to HR.
>>78808140anon you are honestly scaring me because my know-hows/projects aren't even 1/10 of yours and I'm about to graduate from some random university
>>78808158should i just lie and pretend i know nothing then to hire my chances? why wouldnt internships want someone smart. im basically doing work for half the pay lol.
>>78808158well, it's not fucked, it's just HR telling the anon to not sell himself short
>>78808177well, you can try limiting the stuff you put on your resume depending on what you apply for, like if it's some web stuff, don't put the kernel driver and the renderers on there, that's too big brained, if it's graphics-related, don't put kernel driver and other stuff on there, etc. also just apply more in general, 12 applications is really really not much
>>78807749>Computer Engineering degreeyes enjoy competing against the millions of pajeets and ching chongs pumped out every yearbuddy did ce, ended up being a codepig for BA, quit it after working on drones too long, now codepigs for target. sad, what a waste of an education
>>78808177You have to market yourself directly to the job you want. If they want a wizard, you're their wizard. If they want a codemonkey, you're their codemonkey. When I was applying for positions I had different resumes and cover-letters for every place I applied. I don't just mean a little different, I mean wildly different, each one tailored to exactly what I thought the company would want out of me in terms of values, skills, personality and goals. Do some research about the places you're applying for, not just what they do but stupid shit like their 'values' and basically just spoonfeed their own bullshit back to them.
>>78807933>The content itself of the education is fun thoughThat's the thing, I think the content in CE is far more interesting than CS, but if I'm going to spend 4 years getting that degree when I could get a graduate diploma in CS 1 year and get the same job, what's the point...
>>78808216alright man. this helps. i will try it thank you so much. i will give it more tries.
>>78808098In Canada certain universities guarantee that you will get a spot every summer. Which is good for them, but sucks for everyone else. In my city most spots are filled by out of town university students and or minorities; especially women literally every single one will get a great co-op. No need to say you want to drop out as you've already stated your in CE.
>>78808194This is exactly what I'm talking about >>78808216here. It's counter intuitive but putting down all of your accomplishments can easily be a bane rather than a boon. By the way, using the strategy I was suggesting I got the most job offers out of school of anyone in my friend group. One of my really smart buddies was actually straight up turned down for a job because the company said they thought it would be too boring for him.
>>78808216or anon can just spam his resume to every opening, with his skillsets it shouldn't be a problem aside from it being too good to believe
>>78807938Too bad, they should. CE retards can't code for shit.
>>78808225not the anon, but just a word of encouragement, hang in there, you've came so far and I think you have a lot to offer, you'll do fine, better than most, very probably
>>78808158>Yeah that's the fucking point. If you're a good programmer you'll actually be able to use those abstractions and theory to write better programs. I just had to re-write a parser written by some dumbfuck CE guy who basically did everything with muilti-dim-arrays/while-loops and retarded fucking index arithmetic that was impossible to reason about... all because he had never heard of a parse-tree or recursive descent parsing before.And how much faster did the parser become in your benchmarks?
>>78807948Get a CS one and do projects in free time, lol.Why do you need degree to become codemonkey.
>>78808436what is the difference between code-monkey and alternative?
>>78808506>>78808175where do the salvation lie for these fools?
>>78808423It became maintainable. I couldn't even compare it because the old-code had broken and reasoning about would've just been insane, we're talking pretty fucking bad code here, most of it was just in one big global while loop, almost no very little abstraction, a shitload of global state. All of this was because of the retarded data structure (a fucking 3D array) to deal with parsing.
>>78808744Ok, so you didn't do any tests on it. There's no reason to believe that your implementation even matched the original.So let's discuss the maintainability and legibility of the code. Did the review find that the code was more legible? I'm assuming at least the original author told you it was more legible since he told you he had never heard of your choices of data structure and algorithms. Because he did tell you that, right? You didn't just assume the reasons behind his choices of data structures were due to lack of knowledge when it may have been other factors that you were unaware of, right?
>>78807749I know a guy who earned a bs in CE, only job he could get was a help desk job
>>78809090did he have any certifications? did he actually have real experience with hands-on projects? did he know how basic coding? various distro knowledge?
>>78808870>thoughis this an epic new meme?
>>78809099no certs, only coding stuff from school, Linux illiterate, and seems kinda clueless about what i thought was basic pc/it stuff
>>78808248CS trannies can’t code for shit either
I'm majoring in Information Systems
>>78807749What kinda man does the female crosslegged thing.If you're gonna cross leg do it the man's way.
>>78809910>What kinda man does the female crosslegged thingThe stickers on his macbook give it away
>>78809643It's Business School's take on computer science
>>78809952nah man, even god damn home knows it is uncomfortable.A real man takes all the space he is given spreads around comfortably. That way he looks comfortable in the environment other men see that he is comfortable in the environment and peace spreads around the room.How do you even do it the female way?Your peepee and testies suffocate
>>78810010> god damn homemeant to type homo
>>78807878>>78807905i studied economics. the first few years are really tough. my friends who studied cs and engineering had it a lot easier. as a boomer however i'm glad that it didn't choose cs
>>78807749All Computer anything degrees are all the same.
>>78809952why do these kind of people always wear a fedora? why do they think it looks good?
which one?>Telecommunication Technology>Mobile Technology>Electrical Power Engineering>Electrical Engineering>Control and Information Systems>Computer Systems for the Industry of the 21st. Century>Computer Science>Computational and Applied Mathematics>Biomedical Technology>Biomedical Assistive Technology>Automotive Electronic Systems>Applied Electronicsuni is free there, tho i don't want to waste 25 dollars on applicationwhich have most comfy job, which one is easy to get good paid job in, which is hardest?i don't have much experience in anything i just wagecuck to save money for now, but i can't take it anymore
>>78812955>Electrical Power Engineeringcomfy tier
>>78812955Most people (in the US at least, not sure about other places) do not work a job directly related to their degree. It might have an effect on your first job, but most people pivot off onto their own path.So I say go with something broad, such as telecommunications or EE.
>>78807749those socks are low energyUwU
typical natsoc tranny zoomer>>78813055confused much?
>>78813355>confused much?no, new much?
>>78807749You are supposed to use that education to help develop hardware.
>>78810008Like you I only took information systems because I don’t want to do all the annoying math in computer science. Sometimes I regret it because these business and gned courses are bullshit. But information systems is definitely and easier workload. I’m in my first term.
>>78812955If I go back I would take power engineering.
>>78807901>San FranWhat did you expect?
Hey boys, since we're talking about jobs has anyone done one of those coding bootcamps? I lost my job in a super niche industry that might not even exist anymore once the lockdowns are over. I'm in Seattle and some friends at microsoft and amazon told me coding bootcamps are a viable option if I can put in the work. College would take too long since I stopped going to school when I was 14 it would take forever to get through whatever baby-tier pre-reqs I have to take. I just don't want to have to go back to working in restaurants or fishing boats or oil fields again.
Anons I need your help, what are some good certificates or other programs that will help you a good bit in learning what you need to become a backend developer? I want to get into SE and I have a GI Bill, so may as well get paid along the way while I learn it.
>>78814837it's a pretty comfy career.t. power engineering fag
>>78807857>>78807749Bs in CEgot drunk too much and took me 6 years to finishbecame architect after 4 years a codemonkeyonly regret is not joining the military when I had the chance.I'm gonna say it's super easy to climb the ladder in a big company with a CS bs because it gives you a head start.people with math or physics or other pure degrees tend to kinda get stuck. I think engineering degrees will be fine if you get into IoT or enterprise software. I think it might hold you back if you go into AI and blockchain and that kinda thing.
>>78815248you're not gonna learn how to program, but the oracle certified professional java programmer is a good cert to have IME.
>>78808248No shit, we only had one programming class (2 if you count MIPS)
>>78807749CE just means you end up doing embedded software, but with way less relevant education, and it pays less than other types of software
>>78807749There are better degrees out there. Also a Socialism steeped in Christian mysticism and ethics would literally be the best thing to happen to the human race as opposed to a godless Capitalism and a godless Marxism-Leninism. You should think about your degree and career path the same way OP--pic a third option, and preferably one that combines the best of both.
>>78809910That's unironically how the founders of this country sat. They also wore stockings come to think of it. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. If you look for just about any period painting it generally shows the American colonials sitting the same way.
>>78817148you refuse to take your meds again?
EE and do signal processing or power systems. CS/CE are full of trannies and women.
>>78812819wearing a hat is fine.wearing a fedora is kinda dated, but ok imo.wearing a hat inside has never been acceptable unless you're trying to hide your kippah
>>78807749CS if you want to work at some startupCE if you want a 9-5 job and a 401k
>>78817206I mean if grab your crotch and hold up your balls while crossing your legs..I think that's a pretty dominant statement. plus, it pronounces your bulge even further.
Doesn't matter, as long as you're the best student at your university. If you aren't, just give up and work at cuckdonalds.
>>78817206I knew amerimutts were gay from the start
>>78808248look at this CS nerd projecting, i've seen the code of your python addicts, functions of 5000 lines. Your industrial skills are laking and experienced people know that.
>>78807749>Do you end up as a codemonkey anywaythere are as many CS degrees as there are universities, pick your uni on whatever they teach youand its reputationwhy is it so hard for retards to understand, if you do a garbage degree at a literally who uni then obviously you will go nowhere and you wasted your time, go to a non-shit uni and start working on whatever field you like, it's really that simplealso if you live in the first-world education is free, you have nothing to losedon't listen to retards who tells you that uni is a waste of time, literally everything in life is a waste of time, doing whatever you want is the best way to waste your time, as you like.you don't live to work, no reason to take the hard way and slave away 100h a week just because you're a real man or whatever narcissistic trash you may think of, go to uni, do what you like, enjoy life and you will suddenly outpace the True enlighten alpha 2.0 that did not go to uni because of their prideyou can also very much succeed without uni if life is hard or if it costs too much, just don't think you're superior to anyone that went to uni because it's most likely wrong anyways
>>78807749>yayThe phrase is "yea or nay".
>>78807749This is the fag who censors you on social media
>>78807749I'm a CE major, going for a CS masters while working full time.In my experience you have a lot more career options as a CE. You can get into traditional code monkey stuff, but you also have an advantage over CS majors with regards to embedded system development or controls engineering, since you learn a bit more about hardware.Really you can do a lot with CS or CE as long as you're halfway intelligent, but I'm glad I went with a CE undergrad. Lots of big state schools in the US offer a co-op program for STEM degrees where it takes 5 years but you do a paid internship every other semester, highly recommend.
>>78819737Embedded software* developmentMy bad I'm drunk
CE or EE,or a different engineering?
>>78819911Depends on the uni and what you want to get out of it. If you already know programming and enjoy it, do CE. I say this as an EE that's basically taken all the CE classes I'm allowed to (some are restricted by prereqs that would be a waste of my time and money to take) along with some DSP/Controls/Analog classes. When I was in high school, I didn't want to do CS because I looked through the curriculum for CS at my school and I wouldn't do anything new for ~4-5 class sequences (junior year) since I was way ahead in programming and advanced math but didn't have transferable credits for it. Didn't really know much about CE at the time so I figured I would do EE and continue my programming stuff on the side and maybe I would enjoy some of the electronics classes. They're okay, but I find physics pretty fucking boring, and would rather have taken operating systems and systems programming classes.
>>78807749No, it's fucking shit. Choose right now: software or hardware. Go CS or EE, don't half ass it with some lukewarm wishy washy degree that takes the most annoying parts of both. I don't even think tech is a good field anymore since Microsoft and Google are constantly shilling how well paying it is, getting everyone from halfwit minorities to women wanting to be le epic coder. Go learn a trade instead, I sure as hell wish I had
Wait so is a CE degree not worth it?
>>78822195CE is not worth it. do you wanna compete with china or something? know your market.
>>78822326Which engineering degree should I do?
>>78822332software, obviously?desu I actually don't know if SE is better than CS. I'm a CS guy, but at a higher level the engineering part becomes much more important, and I think I'm definitely missing some things there. like the systems engineering parts would immensely help in architecture, etc. but I don't know how well they cover that in the SE curriculum
>>78822433>Software is better than computer>Complaining about job competitionTheir jobs are within arm's reach of any CE too
>>78822561CS majors are delusional
Embedded SW is where you want to be with a CE degree. The low-level stuff actually comes in handy and your SWE/CS work mates will think you are genius for being able to debug stuff in a day that would take them weeks to brute-force a solution too.Unless you're a brainlet, in which case you definitely picked the wrong degree bro.
>>78822332>Which engineering degree should I do?industrial
>>78822561of course you can just learn to code with your forklift license. what's your point? I'm going off the presupposition that you're not trying to waste your time and retard your career progression.
>>78822332mechanical or electrical
>>78807749You end up a code monkey no matter what. It’s probably the best job the normal grad gets. So just go for it.
>>78808098post resume, i can fix it.t. spent 20-25 hours learning graphic design in order to make subtle changes to mind, was told its the nicest that recruiter had ever seen
>why yes, I'm a telecommunications engineer major, how could you tell?
>>78807749>Do you end up as a codemonkey anywayDepends on your level and the internships you did and your implication. Only doing the university assignments and never do personal projects / learn trendy frameworks on your freetime? then yes you'll become a code monkey. CS has become a crazy competitive field, you have to earn your dough.
>>78807857Boomer here what is cs? Computer security?
>>78807749EE is probably a better choice, most programs allow you to take minors into control systems and such. Maybe take a minor in SE or something
>>78807749I did economics informatics and don't regret it so far.I get to make VBA scripts for the pay the real programers do. Can't imagine somebody studied proper things like C#, Java, SQL or R and gets put into same pay category as someone who does VBA in MS Excel.
Isn't EE working on power systems and hardware, etc?>>78826532Computer science
>>78807878Im Doing economics and the oayment is shit and ypu will be in luck if you end up on some accounting company