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/mkg/ keyboards are fun edition

Ask questions about mechanical keyboards, get autistic answers.

/mkg/ Resources:
>Keyboard recommendation template
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>/mkg/ FAQ
Missing / Overwritten

>Where to buy keyboards
https://pastebin.com/Rqi24W42
https://keycapt.com/

>Charts!
https://kiibohd.com

>QMK
https://config.qmk.fm/
https://beta.docs.qmk.fm

Previous https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/77718728/
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first for ortho is shit
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>>77749393
I got mechanical keyboard but it is missing divet on caps lock key I need for muscle memory. How i fix?
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3rd for ergo trannies
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>>77749092
>>77749146
Thanks! Anything I should be aware about going into this endeavour?
>>77749422
Why do you think so?
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>>77749488
Dont go for ortho its a meme, that faggot spams id75 in every thread, every post
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How loud are blue switches, like loud enough to wake someone up through a door and a wall?
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>>77749582
if you have thin walls yes
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>>77749582
Blues are high-pitched an tinny, so it probably doesn’t transfer through walls very well. The sound should be attenuated.
Warning: This will not be the same with box switches. They are lower in frequency and probably carry well through walls. I stopped using my box white switches at night for this very reason.
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>>77749146
Did you mean this: https://aliexpress.com/item/4000311498726.html ?
>>77749523
Have you used it? Why do you say it's a meme?
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>>77749488
>Anything I should be aware about going into this endeavour?
It's only half-compatible with GH60 plastic cases. It's ortho, that's why some screw holes don't fit it, you'll have to cut them out and then put it.
Put a layer of biplast (or other sound absorbing material) between the case and PCB, that will make it sound a little better. It's mandatory for a metal case, you'll have ping without it.
>>77749624
Yes
It's not a meme. Typing on an ortholinear keyboard is more cofortable. That's why >>77748565 wouldn't work out, it would feel awkward to use
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>>77749393
just need orange xda modifier accents pls help
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>>77749450
You could either sand down a portion of your key, so that it is stepped, or you could buy a stepped key.
If you want to buy or trade a key for a stepped key, my guess is either Geekhack or Plebbit would be the place to go. There’s tons of kids with time who are willing to facilitate a trade on a single key.
Protip: Flip your caps lock key over, so that you can see whether you need a stepped key with the stem centred or off-centred.
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>>77749624
Stagger is just a relique of the old typewriter. It
1)Adds more finger travel
2)Doesn't follow your fingers
Imagine typing on this staggered layout http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_a:7%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=Back%20Space%3B&@_x:3.5%3B&=Esc&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F%3B&='%3B&@_x:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=,&=.&=%2F%2F&=Return%3B&@=&=Ctrl&=Alt&=Super&=%2F&dArr%2F%3B&_w:2%3B&=&=%2F&uArr%2F%3B&=%2F&larr%2F%3B&=%2F&darr%2F%3B&=%2F&uarr%2F%3B&=%2F&rarr%2F
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>>77749604
Someone end my suffering, I spent the last 10 hours researching and looking for keyboards. My brother is coming from the US to visit here and I thought it was the perfect opportunity to get my first mechanical keyboard.

So basically I want a cheap entry keyboard, hopefully below 60 dollars. It can't be too loud so it needs to be either brown or red and because I am a petty fuck and saw a video of a cool video with RGB I decided I want one RGB. I thought this one was the perfect option https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016MAK38U/ref=emc_b_5_t . Its cheap, quiet, apparently good quality but sadly its rainbow RGB, I saw a video review of it and I thought it looked super ugly so I decided against it. I could get the regular blue switch version which comes with normal RGB and get me some red or brown switches but that would make a 40 dollar purchase expensive which would defy the point.

Then I found this one https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-Mechanical-Keyboard-Keys-Linear-Quiet-Red/dp/B07KCRTN9Q , I thought it was perfect, cheap, RGB, quiet and good quality but I thought, isn't a little too big? I kinda want a smaller more compact keyboard since my hands are kinda small and I want to reach the F buttons when I am playing sc2 and Dota. Is there any keyboard that fills all of these criteria? Or should I compromise with either the RGB or the size? Blue switches arent an option
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>>77749712
What are you talking about? If anything row-staggering just adds to how many stabilizers are needed due to lengthening keys on the edges.
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>>77749712
>staggered switches
What do you mean by that?
I thought the only keyboards without stabilizers where the ortho ones
>>77749740
You can not have stabilizers on a normal keyboard, see keeblade. IMO 2u doesn't even need stabilizers, it's good enough
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>>77749758
>>77749740
Ignore me. Staggered != Stepped
I need to improve my reading comprehension.
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>>77749758
>You can not have stabilizers
I mean "you can have no stabilizers"
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>>77749688
Disregard me, I found the perfect keyboard it seems.
https://www.amazon.com/Tecware-Phantom-Mechanical-Keyboard-Outemu/dp/B079HTZQYV/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=Budget%2BMechanical%2BKeyboard&qid=1600245486&sr=8-7&th=1

Any opinions?
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Any proven high quality pbt white keycaps?
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>>77749780
What's the logic behind this?
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Did the price for the custom wasdkeyboards increase?
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>>77749783
I bought some Ducky ones because they were on special. I don't really expect much but I'll keep you updated when I get them.
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>>77749780
Doesn't look bad for this price, hotswap is nice bonus. If you want to make it more quiet get some O-rings as well.
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>>77749788
That it fits all my criteria?
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>>77749961
get a keyboard with silent reds or box silent pink
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Anyone else excited for round 2 of the IMK Corne case?
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>>77750132
Nigga my budget is 40 bucks
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Anyone tried Zealios 67g? How are they? Worth the money?
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>>77750148
I have a VicTsing from Amazon for 35€, outcome reds. Fairly decent and a good intro to mechanical keyboards IMO.
But let me repost /csg/ advice:
>keyboard recommendations roughly ordered by price/quality:
>- redragon k552 / k551 (meh, oeteumu blue)
>- hexgears gk705 / gk707 (meh, alright if you want kailh switches)
>- magicforce (good value, make sure to get gateron switches)
>- akko (lots of size and colour options, sometimes gets significant sales, chinese brand of ducky keyboards, uses both real cherry switches and gaterons depending on keyboard)
>- anne pro (memeboard so probably bit overpriced now but still should be decent if its what you want)
>- varmilo (cherry switches, getting expensive at this point though)
>Personally i think magicforce is minimum you should go for and akko is best option especially if you can get them on sale
For you probably only the first two suggestions apply. Switches should be all the same in than price range anyway, so just look for whichever one you like the looks of that has good reviews.
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>>77749780
Those switches suck ass, unreliable as fuck
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>>77750401
Oetumo are unironically fine, especially for entry keyboards
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>>77750444
They are the cheapest of the cheaps, and they breal, some dude was complaining on here not long ago
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Cross posting from /csg/:
>>77749019
>Hey anons, has any of bought a keyboard kit from AliExpress? (Think something like this: https://aliexpress.com/item/32952542823.html )
>Wondering how the quality is.
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>>77750444
I had to de-solder and swap a few Outemu blues because they stopped clicking and turned into shitty browns. Also some keys don't register if I let keyboard unused for long time. But board that Anon linked is at least hot swapable and comes with extra switches.
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>>77750518
Chinkshit is alright.
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>>77750364
>no ikbc
Akko boards with the own switches are cheaper and somehow the midnight color is cheaper than others.
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>>77750866
Akko 3108 V2 full size is 62€ on Ali, what is the catch, other than wait time.
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>>77750518
Generally speaking in terms of quality differences between keyboards you'll find
>better/worse switches (by brand)
>thicker/thinner, shitty legends (e.g. lasert)/good legends (dyesub, doubleshot), abs/pbt keycaps
>minor differences in thickness and quality of the case and plate, if any
"Thick keycaps" are a nice luxury item but by no means necessary, so just look for PBT keycaps that are either dyesub or doubleshot (which will usually still be plenty cheap). Switches, well, avoid outemu, otherwise it's the topic if endless autism.
Case/plate - 99.9% of the time it's gonna be just fine, it's not like your keyboard is a high load structural component or whatever.
The PCB is also gonna be fine in 99.99% of cases, electronics are mass-produced on such a scale that chinks have perfected the art of soldering shit as cheaply as possible while making sure it'll all work just fine.

For you in particular, the kit is actually pretty expensive because you're going for an aluminium case. Quality's gonna be absolutely fine.
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I just hate my space bar, it's rattly and I don't have a soldering kit. I just replaced my space bar with a different keycap and I noticed that use my thumbs more, but Dvorak kinda sucks at that. Is pic related ok?
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>>77750518
I bought a gk61 from aliexpress for 35$
so far its been pretty nice, I even bought some cheap keycaps for like 15$ and I changed out the switches
thinking of buying a new aluminum case and fixing my stabs
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>>77751025
why do you think there is a catch? amazon is just upmarketed aliexpress, everything is chinese these days. The wait is a turn off for some, but depending on where you live its could be quick ~2 weeks or like 2 months, I generally get my stuff in 4-5 weeks here in the balkans
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>>77751509
There is little info on the switches used in this board. This is why I was curious.
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>>77751609
oh well I dont know about that keyboard, but you can get others with proper switches for the same price
hexgears have kailh BOX switches which are pretty good
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>>77751462
Did you also buy the keycaps on AliExpress?
Ideally I'd like to learn to touch type, so I would buy blank keycaps. Worst case I can still put stickers over them
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>>77750298
I bought the slightly weaker version of the springs.
If the quality of the slightly stronger version is the same as mine, then you’re in for a real treat.
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>>77751025
Pretty sure they also come with Cherry MX switches
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>>77751846
how are blanks going to help you here? just don't look down when typing lmao
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>>77749961
So you have found YOUR perfect keyboard.
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78 Euros prebuilt prelubed Gat Browns, One week of usage, AMA
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>>77751950
Well, if I end up looking down at first at least I won't have QWERTY written on it while I use another layout.
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>>77752009
What a dick.
>>77752028
How?
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>>77752061
How what?
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>>77751850
>you're in for a real treat
Not sure if you mean this in a good or in a bad way? It seems you also bought the silent version, which I haven't read much about, but the Zealios Purple seem to have good comments about them. Doesn't matter if you're talking about a QC problem though, if they can fuck one up they can fuck up the other.
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What's the best switch colour
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>>77752086
My bad, I read wrong. Thought you meant you built the whole keyboard for 78€, case, PCB, switches and keycaps included. Sounded like a really good deal ngl.
How are the Gat browns? Heard they are supposed to be really light Cherry MX Clears
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>>77752116
I was going to but the cost was way above what I got for this prebuilt. it has aluminum plate and all. The Gat browns are amazing, I've never typed this comfy in my life. Also they're very silent
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>>77752153
They even printed keycaps for me like the backspace. Though I don't recommend people to get these white keycaps because they are very translucent and you can tell the PBT is not very thick. The Dark Grey ones are THICK as fuck. Good quality stuff
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>>77752153
>>77752197
Sounds great, where did you get it from?
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Just got my Ducky One 2 with red keycaps. You may now tell me how I fucked up.
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>>77752361
From this Aliexpress store
www.aliexpress.com/store/3558035
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>>77751865
Nope, not this model.
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>>77752097
I meant it in the way it’s written:
If the slightly heavier springs are of the same quality as mine, then they’re a good thing.
In my case I didn’t expect there to be much difference between a silent Cherry MX red and this switch, but I was proven wrong. It’s far better.
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>>77752111
turquoise
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>>77752839
Alright! My bad, English is not my first language and I've seen cases of "in for a treat" being used sarcastically, the difference between the honest opinion and the sarcasm being hard to make out when reading.
Glad to hear you're satisfied!
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Are stabs only used for "big" keys? Or do you use them for every key?
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>>77753273
Only on 2U or bigger.
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>>77753273
Usually only on 2u or bigger like >>77753321 says, but on the razer boards with their optical switches they're per key. Interesting design choice that's possibly over-engineered but I don't dislike it.
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>>77753210
That’s OK. You are right that it is often used sarcastically. Less so in /g/ than on other boards.
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>>77753273
Why yes I use them on every key no matter what size it is, of course every key needs stabilizing
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>>77753321
>>77753480
Thanks
>>77753744
Gotta make my keyboard earthquake proof
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>tfw couldn't find a Zealios reseller with stock in Europe
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FUCK ME most cheap keycap sets don't have 1.5u BackSpace FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFCUFK
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>>77754619
I believe you can buy zealios on aliexpress. Might as well buy box royals tbqh
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>>77754619
Ice Purple is pretty much zealios
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33054683867.html?
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>>77754716
>Outemu
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>>77754716
>>77754792

ice purple is a pretty good switch but nowhere near as tactile as zealios v2
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What makes some dyesub legends last longer than others?

I've heard about early 90s keyboards still having dyesub legends and I have also read people complaining about theirs fading. What dictates that?
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>>77752362
Ducky is good quality. Shame they are not hot-swappable, but if you like the reds, enjoy!
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>>77749393
>pos1
>not pos0

fucking germans man...
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Planning to get an IKBC MF87. Anyone here has thoughts on this? Any better alternatives worth taking a look at? Will be using this with black-on-black (or maybe blank) keycaps for my setup.
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>>77749780
It's not the worst keyboard. I have that exact keyboard in the same configuration. Only I also already had another Outemu-style hotswap keyboard with hotswap Outemu Blues keyswitches that I swap into the Tecware.

My advice is this - if you're anywhere close to being satisfied with the keyswitches, then don't ever switch them. Outemu-style hotswaps are THE WORST hotswap keyswitches. Treat this keyboard as non-hotswap, and you won't be disappointed. If you swap the keyswitches, prepare for extreme disappointment.

This is the Tecware Phantom TKL, non-elite version. The OEM for the GMMK is the Tecware Phantom Elite version, which uses regular Cherry-MX style hotswap sockets. The Tecware Phantom non-elite version actually has a better RGB than the elite version. It has an RGB mode that lets you choose from 87 different colors for the single color for all keys mode.

If you're considering swapping keyswitches at any time, do yourself a favor and get the GMMK.
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What's the /g/ approved 40% keyboard?
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>>77755589
>GMMK
Why this over hexgears?
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>>77755654
>40% keyboard
You should see a doctor
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>>77755703
Because we're talking about Tecware keyboards.

Nobody asked you about Hexgears, fag.
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What's the /g/ approved 60% keyboard?
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>>77755293
Indices that start at 1 are super-cool.
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>>77755272
Dye sub wears only off if you wear the keycap hard, people complaining about fading legends most likely have pad printed or laser etched caps.
This also depends if it's ABS or PBT. ABS is more prone to wear.
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>>77756081
Like anon says, laser-etched and pad-printed are bad.
I have personal experience with both, and can attest that they will wear away surprisingly fast.
If anyone has a screenshot of die subs wearing away, then post it. That would be something new.
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>>77756081
>>77756122
So what is the point of double-shoot that are not shine-through if dyesub can withstand decades?
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>>77756185
in dye sub, the dye has to be darker than the plastic, so for example you couldn't do white on black keycaps using dye sub
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>>77756238
Oh I see, but how come I have dyesub PBT keycaps that are dark grey with white dyesub?
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>>77756292
link?
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>>77756358
it's >>77752028

I can tell The plastic is PBT but now that you tell me all this I am unsure if the legends are dyesub. Maybe the plastic is ABS. But they don't feel like ABS
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>>77756358
>>77756399
Should I be able to feel the texture of dyesub legends? because when I slide my swipe my finger across the backspace I feel a texture of the word
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>>77756430
No, not with dye sub. Might be laser etched I guess.
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>>77756399
Easiest way to find out is to remove keycap and look under it. If it has 2 colors of plastic like pic related it's double shot.
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>>77755654
OLKB Planck or Niu Mini
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Which size?
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>>77757986
Soft and thin would probably make for the best key feel.
If it’s too hard, I fail to see how it will dampen the thock.
If it’s too thick, it will really ruin the full-key travel feel
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>>77757986
don't get orings, they make shit mushy
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>>77749393
which keyboard is that?
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Does anyone have experience troubleshooting a DZ60? Keys seem to be mapped to random inputs, some mapped to multiple inputs.
Installed single-color backlight LEDs last night, everything worked perfectly. Started shitting itself this morning, reflashing did nothing.
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is this ever not sold out?
https://en.varmilo.com/keyboardproscenium/subject_product_detailed?subjectid=226
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What's a good board for software engineering? I use a corsair k70 for vidya and shitposting at home, but feel like buying another board to take to work.

Reddit shills the HHKB, but its expensive and not having arrow keys seems retarded unless you use vim. Anything I should look into?
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What do I have to do to get a good "standard" layout keyboard that makes better use of my thumbs? Why does something like pic related not exist?
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>>77759534
>What's a good board for software engineering?

literally anything just get one you like retard
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Any decent, wireless 2.4ghz mechanical keyboards? Any that don't have some shit gamer aesthetic with custom switches you can't change?
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>>77759385
>ISO-DE
If you won't be stubborn you could get
Akko 3087 World Tour but it's only ANSI.
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>>77759729
thank you for the suggestion, but yeah i'm looking for ISO-DE specifically
cute windows keys tho
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Just got the HHKB Pro Hybrid (non s), did not know what I was missing out before typing on this thing. The level of force and feedback you get is incredible and it's surprisingly quiet too.
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>>77749393
What's the keyboard in the pic?
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CONSOOOOOOOOOM
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>>77759771
Just change switches to silent black switches and they have 2 in stock.
You are welcome.
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>>77751284
Did I get le trolled
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>>77759885
>>77759885
>>77759885
>>77759885
>>77759885
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>>77759978
Pistols are my favorite type of fire arm.
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>>77759924
thanks lad
can't believe i didn't notice that
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>>77759978
>logishit
never gonna make it
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>split
>wristrest
>wireless
>fullsize or tkl
What's the sculpt ergonomic of mechanical keyboards?
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>>77749393
Brown or red switches?
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>>77760261
like reds
hate tactiles
tolerate blues
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>>77759870
Such a weird feeling right? I got mine a week back or so, love it. The construction, Bluetooth, and Topre are really one of a kind.
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Suggestions for Topre tenkeyless keyboards?
Is it really worth like $200~?

I currently have a Ducky One with MX Black and was thinking of getting a new keyboard.
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How noticeable is the difference between reds and blacks?
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>>77760622
I have the HHKB, let me tell you this.
It may or may not be worth the steep price tag. I never tried topre so I took a shot in the dark and ended up really liking everything about it but if you could try it before you pulled the trigger that'd be best. There are other producers/models of topre boards that are cheaper though (althought I believe HHKB is the only 60 board). If you got any questions let me know.
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>just bought a mechanical keyboard with red switches for gaming
>remember that I don't PC game anymore and when I do I use a controller
>tfw

so what do I do now
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>>77754655
Never knew about box royals, why do you say that though?
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Flipping the spacebar on my keyboard has changed everything. So much better. It's incline now whereas it was borderline decline before.
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>>77760997
Did you happen to get Silent Topre switches?
From what I saw thats like a $100 increase in price.

Has anybody tried to Topre clone keyboards and if they are even worth the price?
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>>77761252
No, I got the standard Hybrid model. They are quiet but the keyboard is quite "acoustic" in that the sound will change depending on how fast you're typing and what you are typing on. I'm only aware of the Niz clones but I don't have an opinion on them.
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Im in the market for a keyboard. thinking of going with g610 with brown switches.I want it to be quality but quiet as possible and a 10key is a must.
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>AliExpress has 75% and 40% ortholinear but no 60% kits
>tfw
If some of you saw a 60% ortholinear kit, could you spoonfeed?
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Asking just In case switch autist is around, is the 205g0 from 1upkeyboards legit and not just 205g2 mixed with 105? Same question for their other lubes like 3204.
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>>77762510
XD75/ID75
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>>77762859
Thanks for the search, should have mentioned I saw those two but:
>XD*75*/ID*75*
>75 keys
They are 75%, and while the XD75 is mentioned as 60% they are clearly not (ID75 doesn't claim to be 60% either). Am I missing something here?
I also saw JJ50/JJ40, for both 50% and 40%. Still looking for 60%.
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>>77763158
They're the same footprint as a 60%, which gives you 75 keys in an ortho layout.
A 75% board has 84 keys.
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Can someone explain to me the difference between MX brown and MX Reds?
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>>77763364
One has a pathetic tactile bump that you can barely feel.
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>>77763443
so go with the browns good advice
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>>77763198
So basically 100% is a full ANSI/ISO keyboard and since orthos have a grid layout the actual keys take less space so a 75 keys can be a 60%? That's good to know.
Guess I'm looking for 50% ortho then, JJ50 should do it. Thanks!
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How's the feel on the Khail Box Royals? Apparently it's abrupt and becomes clicky...
Differences with Box Crystal Royal?
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>>77763744
They're factory-lubed and only turn clicky when the lube dryes out. The only difference between regular Box Royals and the Crystal version is cosmetic.

I reviewed a bunch of tactile keyswitches in a previous MKG thread ( >>77664360#p77690098 ) and Box Royals are my favorite feeling tactile keyswitches.
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>>77763967
I guess the link should be
>>77690098
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>>77763744
The box crystals are the same as their vanilla counterpart aside from the obvious. The only exception are crystal jades which have a heavier spring. Yes, the royals will develop a pseudo click eventually due to the factory lube wearing off the stem.
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>>77763967
>>77763983
Nice, thanks for the review!
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>>77761008
Well, considering that you have the keyboard in front of you, maybe you should use it.
Lots of typists/non-gamers prefer Reds.
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>>77763967
>and only turn clicky when the lube dryes out.
For me that took 2 weeks of regular use. It wasn't so bothersome at first but my N and M became extremely loud by comparison to the other keys, and it drove me up the wall.
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Did i fuck up by buying a drevo gramr?
It feels good for sub $40
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>>77764941
If you like it and it does what you need, you didn't fuck up.
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What have you done recently to customize your typing experience?
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>>77765139
More looking up prices while waiting for switch testers to arrive
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>>77762319
get something non-gamer with silent reds
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what are some good mods for an hhkb?
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Is Thomas still on vacation or will there be a new YT video this weekend?
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>>77765380
Gluing more keys to it.

http://xahlee.info/kbd/idiocy_of_happy_hacking_keyboard.html
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>>77749688
Velocifire tkl104. Brown outemu switches
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>>77749393
I have a rakk ilis and it says you can buy custom shells and other accessories for it, but I can't find any, and the RAKK site doesn't list them
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>>77765466
>xah lee
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>>77761252
I have the silenced hhkb hybrid and really like it, It’s quieter than a regular non ‘mechanical’ with the nice thock that you’ll want. I can’t speak for topre clones but I can say that the hhkb feels better than a realforce due to the softer mounting.
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Opinions on the 1up hse. Should I just dz60/gh60 and solder since it's cheaper? Also why is the kbdfans 5 degree acryllic case so expensive for a piece of plastic.
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>>77749393
Whats a good cheap mechanical keyboard?
Aud btw looking to get it for like $50
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>>77761252
I have the regular Hybrid as well and find it noticeably nicer to type on than my old silenced Realforce 87U. Don't know how the Hybrid Type-S would compare.
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anyone here stickerbombed a keyboard?
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>>77749393
the op image has made me aware of the existence of left handed keyboards. any good ones? is it a meme
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>>77766533
300usd fuck that
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>>77766598
I would only apply the relevant stickers to keys with custom macros keycodes
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>>77766600
OP here. Is there anything in particular that you want to know?
I have been using the Shortboard-Leftie SB-3500 for about a week now.
So far, so good.
For the first time ever, I understand what fans of 60% keyboards are going on about when they say having the mouse right next to the homerow’s enter key is a good thing. It is.
I must admit that I am having trouble adjusting to the mirrored layout. Until today, an alt+tab or an alt+w, or an alt+f4 that I use many times a day are no longer on the far left of the keyboard. I find myself using the far-left numeric keypad’s 0+8 keys to try to close tabs in Chrome, for example.
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>>77766956
I see, I can imagine getting used to can be a problem (and back, perhaps)
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Are Holy Pandas a meme?
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>>77767213
100% a meme shilled by dropsois
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>>77767213
Yes, but the switches themselves are nice. The continual price hike for them on drop is a bit of a pissoff though. Just get the glory hole pandas instead.
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So this is the power of Topre, huh. The sound of peeling off your sweaty ball sack off your leg after a run. Truly premium quality...

https://files.catbox.moe/n5waip.webm
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>>77767516
Truly oneness with cup rubber.
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This would be the ideal keyboard for me to be honest. It's smaller than Keycool (15 keys wide, about as wide as 60%), but function keys are in groups of 4 like on TKL. And I kinda want QMK. Thoughts? Is there anything like this on the market (Cherry G84 is sold on amazon but they don't ship to my country)? If not, is it even possible to have a keyboard that is similar to this?
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What options for low profile switches do I have apart from kailh and cherry?
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what's a good rubber dome? is the Lenovo preferred pro I / II good? Or a Wyse?
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Is there a software that helps determine the ideal layout for me?
Maybe by reporting which keys are most often used.
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>>77768705
applel thin keyboards
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>>77769504
DUWANG
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>>77749393
should I wait for the ortholinear sygma raise? is ortholinear worth it?
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>>77769224
>Good
>Rubber dome
Just get one from a garage sale for free.

>>77769504
Just search "keyboard heatmap" and you'll get a selection of programs for this purpose. While I don't have reason to distrust any of them in particular, I can't bring myself to intentionally install a keylogger on my own PC.

The only layouts you really need to care about are Dvorak and Colemak. They're both far better than QWERTY and close enough to each other that it doesn't really matter which one you pick. There's a lot of people who shill Colemak really hard for what I consider pretty dubious reasons, most cited are "ease of learning" (it's not been my experience that it's easier to learn a layout that's 50% different than one that's 80% different; it's going to be frustrating and slow at the start and fairly smooth and enjoyable in 4-8 weeks either way) and "ZXCV hotkeys stay the same" (It takes 5 minutes to just remap them in your OS). Despite that, it's an entirely serviceable layout that is completely reasonable to use.

Carpalx layouts are a complete meme, don't get tricked by them. They're computer optimized for an arbitrary set of inputs, which are pointless compromises from the start. If you really want to use a completely nonstandard keyboard layout that two other people in the entire world even know about to assure yourself that you eked out every last possible hint of performance, go with ThinQu. It throws out every convention (apart from the physical design of the keyboard), including moving the right hand homerow, swapping a new "qu" key to the position of the grave accent key, and adding new "in/tion" and "th" keys at the expense of the bracket keys.

Whatever layout you use, I'd suggest swapping the positions of backspace and caps lock. Backspace is too important of a button to throw way off in a corner, even if you're a relatively accurate typist.
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Is there something like pic related but cheaper? I really want a brand new keyboard with a trackpoint.
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>>77770604
Probably not outside of your own custom design.
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are retooled blacks a meme
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>>77770656
Gateron blacks are good
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>>77770604
Just buy a trackball and place it under your thumb with any keyboard
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>>77769871
OK so there's like none that works on wayland.
Might have to move back to X.
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>>77765358
i thought a g610 was pretty non-gamer but im open ears.
arent cherry mx browns better than reds though?
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>>77768559
>Is there anything like this on the market
>>77770632
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>>77769572
Beautiful
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>>77770604
Lenovo makes some, they're not mechs,but for rubber dome keyboards they're the nicest. Unicomp also makes some with the pointer stick as well with their buckling spring keyboards, but no middle click it looks like.
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How does KBDfans work?
I ordered something a week ago and it still says "unfulfilled"

Will they update with tracking eventually or do I just have to sit around for months waiting for it to come?
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>>77773502
Last time I got something from them they got it out the next day
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>>77773769
Hmm
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Any suggestions for a split keyboard with a long middle-cord.
I want to typr and have my tablet infront of me
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>>77765358
What exactly is a silent red? Is this something distinct from reds with a shitload of O rings on them? To be honest, I'm just typing this up to practice my form since I realized I've been doing it wrong all these years, but I would like an answer anyway.
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>>77774337
>with a long middle-cord
Any split keyboard, then buy a long cable for it
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>>77774373
Why don't you use the fucking google?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOW18xnbvBo
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>>77774373
Cherry Silent Red
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>>77774404
Why use Google when I have you, anon-kun? :)
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>>77752028
custom keyboard or? looks nice i like it
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>>77774575
You can buy it on aliexpress and choose what layout you want in the description (there will be a box where you can type what you want) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32851321035.html
Yeah, it's pretty good for the price, I was the one who told him to buy one :)
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For those who have a 5x15, what do you do with all the extra keys? Sounds like a waste of space to me and I'm on the fence between 5x12 and 5x15, leaning towards 5x12.
Also I've heard about the Preonic as a 5x12 but can't find prices. What does the PCB usually cost? What about the Drop kits?
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Why would one choose XD75re over ID75? I've seen many complaints about Kprepublic
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>>77749393
>>77777777
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>>77754716
>>77754988
>>77754655
I've been recommended Ice Purple and Box Royals instead of Zealios V2 67g. Why did you recommend those/how do they compare?
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gk61 is here to save the thread
35$
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>>77775528
Which complaints?
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Is there a cheaper place to get these cute arrow keys?
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>>77776268
If there was TLK analogue I would get it but 60%s suck.
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>>77776839
>suck
huh they have that feature now?
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>>77776986
They suck out the patience and waste the time with layering bullshit.
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>>77776839
There's X-Bows but it's 75%, ugly and expensive.
Why not hexgears gk707?
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>>77776293
Them being really slow, older having mixed quality, and mostly support being total shit.
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>>77777032
Is this some full size joke im too 40% to understand?
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Any experiences with the JJ50 keyboard?
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what's the best mecha keyboard, /mkg/?
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>>77777527
Gundam
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>>77777358
Should be fine with keycaps, right? Thinking of buying those https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909736983.html
Though I should check if those are available somewhere else.
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>>77777527
Depends on your needs. For me it's >>77768559 but it doesn't exist yet and I decided to make it split with buttons in the middle
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>>77777929
No idea, I only looked at comments regarding the boards or kits
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What does one need to do to get a Preonic?
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two options for me:

1) Cherry ML keyboard

2) Thinkpad TrackPoint USB

3) Ajazz AK33

please order my options by preference. Thanks!
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>>77778875
>two options
>1,2,3

I know
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>>77777344
>Why not hexgears gk707?
Too bad I can't outfit it with box jades out of the bat, at this point I would rather get PCB + case and get my own caps and swiches. But somehow it's cheaper to get prebuild hotswap keyboard.
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>>77778914
>somehow it's cheaper to get prebuild hotswap keyboard.
It's always like that. Manufacturers can buy shit in bulk, but you can't, or if you can, it's not custom if you do.
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>>77779157
I meant that it's cheaper to get whole prebuild keyboard than PCB and case alone.
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aaaaa i can't test red or brown switches because of covid restrictions at my local tech stores somoene please tell me the difference between cherry mx browns and reds
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>>77779638
>>77760285
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>>77779638
Sux to live in country ran by retards, I know because I live in one as well.
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>>77779717
it was fine until they put a gorilla ape in office tbf
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>>77779638
MX Browns are just scratchier Reds. You don't notice it when playing games (except osu! or adofai or anything that requires lots of fast keypresses. Browns don't limit you though, it just feels better if you play them with linears), working, etc unless you're a shizo like me who would get distracted by how it feels (that's partly why I prefer linears), but you totally notice it when you want to enjoy the keyfeel or the sound, when slowly pressing on a switch, doing a long typing test, pressing the same switch several times and other habits you'll gain from this hobby.
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>>77778875
They are all kinda shite, maybe the ajazz, cherry ml and the thinkpad.
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>>77778875
Cherry ML is notoriously shit. Of those get the ajazz.
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>>77779757
>>77779741
>>77779659
hmm i think ill side with a linear one now thanks fellas! >>77779757
by this graph does this mean reds/linears are tehcnically more responsive?
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>>77779800
"Responsive" is a nebulous term when it comes to keyboard switches.
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>>77779808
i meant faster response time to be more specific
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>>77780028
They're both identical in that regard.
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>>77780028
>response time
Is a meme that nobody should ever consider when choosing a switch.
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>>77780095
well i ended u playing with my roommates black widow with tactile switches (lmao) and i think i would prefer it without the bump. i mean desu worst comes to worst i may just buy some extra cherry MX browns, i think they're only like 10 bucks anyway
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>>77773769
>Last time I got something from them they got it out the next day

Well, that's very vague. Exactly how long ago was this theoretical purchase?
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RGB gaymer shits aside, will this be alright for an entry mech board? silent reds. maybe this or a g610. thoughts? not priced too bad
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>>77758888
pls reply
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>>77781740
>corsair
>logitech
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>>77767516
I didn't know Topre was a clicky keyboard lmao
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I just got a Unicomp Model M :D its very nice. a little more plasticky sounding than I was expecting and the key travel is surprisingly short, but I am impressed overall. got a good deal on this one used too
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Reminded that if you buy linear you probably should have just gotten a membrane.
Even scissor switches have a level of tactility.
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>>77781954
I mean other than gaymer memes what's wrong with them? both of them light up yes, but i actually like to turn on my keyboard lights when it's too dark in my room to see. I keep seeing recommendations but a 10 key is imperative for my work and for my TF2 binds and i don't see a lot of those in these random recommendatoins ITT
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>>77782191
I don't like mushy and tactility gets in the way.
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what do you ppl use for a pointing device? Mouse, trackball, pen, ...?
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>>77782202
Cherry switches are mediocre, and their stock keycaps are shit. Corsair even gives their boards a slightly different layout to make finding replacement sets more annoying.
Something like a Ducky, IKBC, or Durgod would be a better buy if you like unicorn vomit.
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>>77782289
mx master 1
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>>77782289
>>77782313
I also use that logitech trackball for anything non-gaming since I got a nice deal on it. Otherwise GPW for games.
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>>77782301
>Something like a Ducky, IKBC, or Durgod would be a better buy if you like unicorn vomit.
yeah im sorry im just going to ignore your schizophrenic rambling. even i know reddit is behind the contrarian cherry mx bashing
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>>77782191
Linear switches don't feel anything like regular rubber dome over membrane switches, so why the fuck would anyone who wanted one get the other?
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>>77769504
White layout (https://github.com/mw8/white_keyboard_layout) sounds like it's for you - it's a do-it-yourself customisable metalayout.
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>>77782289
Although once the ploopy gets full QMK support I'll likely pick one up.
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>>77778605
Are they not easily available anymore? I have one in the UK, alps plate (matias quiet click, old scratchy mold, I'd recommend replacing the switches), which I've literally almost never used - it'll just be dusty. I was a foray into ortholinears which in the end wasn't to my taste.
I always thought it would be more trouble than it's worth selling, since it seems like a common keyboard with new groupbuy runs for it regularly or something, but I haven't actually checked. Assuming you're EU, would you actually be interested in buying?
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>>77778875
What kind of thinkpad? If it's chiclet don't bother, get the ajazz like the other anons have said (since ML is also shit). If it's a classic style those are godly, cop one
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>>77782289
trackpoint in bed
elecom deft for most stuff
steelseries 310 for TF2
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My first mk - GMMK TKL board, Khail Box Browns with PBT double-shot keycaps. Looks great with and without the backlight. Very happy with it. :)
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>>77782289
RAT5 at the moment, I'll be supplementing it with a touchpad built into my keyboard when I get around to making my DMOTE. It's going to replace the arrow key cluster on the right hand.
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80a 2mm orings on mx clears are pretty comfy....
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is the hhkb a meme
was kinda thinking of getting the hybrid type-s but it costs a lot
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>>77785288
Yes.
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>>77785288
Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber
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>>77785288
It's a meme
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>>77776268
link?
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I unironically want the cyberboard.
Please make fun of me for it.
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>>77785601
>row staggered
>even more LEDs than other ricer shit
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>>77785601
why, the display is fucking shit, if it was a decent one where you could actually show pictures and stuff then fair enough but you mightaswell just put an rgb strip on the back of a keyboard
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how important is lubing switches
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>>77785798
>rgb strip in the back of a kb
That's literally what it is. ~200 smd led's with a diffuser over the top of them.
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If you're in japan.
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>>77749393
Can I get a recommendation for
>$75-$150
>US
>Linear silent (first board, so ideally cherry MX reds to start off with i guess if that's ok)
>ANSI or JIS
>100%
>Blacklit please, maybe even RGB for all I care
>Current Keyboard GX Manticore (a decent feeling membrane)
Please and thank you!
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I pretty much adore my apex pro but it needs PBT. keycaps feel "shiny" already in a year. I have the hyperx ones and they don't all fit because steelseries

Someone said it's because of the leds, they're south mounted or something? Does anyone know pbt keycaps that work for this board? The hyperx one, matrix, other similar ones don't go
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>>77781740
avoid this at all costs and if you want to get something of this nature get >>77787340

I had all of them and the steelseries crushes the other 2, especially the corsair, which could not remember its settings no matter what I did and would reset every time computer went to sleep on different computers, after working with multiple tech support people from SS
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>>77787340
sorry im pulling now and it looks like the leds are north mounted. above the switch, on the outside

damn shame they fucked thi sup, it does make it really bright
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>>77787340
>>77787358
thanks! this looks pretty good. how are the switches on it? i guess i don't care too much but are they name brand? looking on amazon just says "reds" but not the brand so i have no frame of reference, especially as a novice buyer.
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>>77787452
I have the apex pro and that is what i'm talking about. it uses hall effect/magnetic switches.
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>>77787463
magnetic switches sound very strange, is it noticeable? this shit's just gets deeper and deeper doesn't it?
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>>77785850
I absolutely love how smooth my lubricated gat yellow board feels. It's heavy enough that I'm not accidentally pressing keys, but it doesn't feel tiring to type on all day. Granted, the only reason I lubricated the switches was to keep my hands busy for a Saturday.
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>>77787497
you can adjust the actuation height of the switches which is fucking dank. they aren't the best feeling switches i've felt but if you want a "red" experience you can make these more red than any red.
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>>77787521
thanks. Im really new so thanks for the help. can i still replace the switches themselves if i want? or would i have to buy the same branded magnetic switches for steelseries? looking at the customization this seems brilliant desu
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>>77787561
no, definitely not

i have a little animated gif of alucard from SoTN running in the corner of mine, that i made myself. it's a cool keyboard. what i would advise you to do if you want this keyboard is buy it from best buy and get the protection plan
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Any anti-sweat keyboards? A keyboard that will stay smooth and nice even if I get a little sweaty.
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>>77787009
Durgod K310 Nebula
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do people still use through-hole leds on top on the switch? is it better to use smd leds and illuminate a transparent switch housing? what's the best led config in your opinion?
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>>77787921
>what's the best led config in your opinion?
off
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>>77787932
based
until nightime at least
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>>77778875
ajazz is pretty ok with the black switches
at least if you can get it for >30-35
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>>77787921
trans flag colors in a rainbow at max brightness with pudding caps, of course
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>>77787945
>until nightime
Just turn on lights in your room.
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Finally done after a long two months of waiting. Going to play with the keys on the right side until I'm happy with them but I love it so far.
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>>77787945
Learn to touchtype.
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Are mechanical keyboards really worth it when i don't play any online games?
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>>77788642
Sure? The primary benefit of mechanical keyboards is being able to choose your favorite switch and layout. Benefits in games are honestly mostly marketing.
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>>77788642
Why would a mechanical keyboard be worth it if you do play online games?
Anyway, yeah, they feel better, they're built better, they're better at ergonomics (smaller keyboard sizes, separate numpad, split keyboards, QMK, switches are lighter, etc), customizable, not mushy and they sound awesome
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>>77788707
I heard they have faster actuation point, wich is useful for online games?
>>77788705
Any recommendations for around €50?
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>>77788746
>I heard they have faster actuation point
That is true, they actuate halfway through, when most rubber domes actuate at the bottom. But the difference in latency here is negligible, because your character has to accelerate before moving and your reaction time is slow. However, you'll notice the difference in comfort.
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>>77779757
so fucking scratchy lmao
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>>77788847
>However, you'll notice the difference in comfort.
Thats mostly why im hesitant on buying a mechanical keyboard. I think membrane keyboards are comfortable to type on, but I've never really have used a mechanical keyboard so i don't have any experience with it. Got any good recommendations? No rgb prefered.
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>>77788891
Hexgears GK705 or GK707 on aliexpress is currently the best cheap keyboard.
You can turn off lights with Fn+whatever.
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can anyone help a complete retard?
are cherry mx a "standard" of how keys should be? or is it a brand?

do cherry mx keys work on ANY mechanical keyboard no matter the brand? or cherry mx happens to be the type of configurable mechanical keyboards?
do most keyboards allow you to change keys? or cherry mx happens to be the brand that allows you to change keys?

im so confused..
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Who was the genius that decided that leaving huge gaps between keycaps was a good idea? Not only that, they had to make it worse by adding a concave top to the keycaps.

This is why while not perfect, DSA is king
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>>77788746
>Any recommendations for around €50?
as the other anon suggested the hexgears is amazing for the price because it has Kailh BOX switches, the white ones of which are pretty much the best tactile/clicky switch for the money, and the other BOX are nice too
Durgod is nice too I think, but has shitty switches and its a bit more expensive and no hotswap, womier has hotswap but the switches are avarage, and has shitty keycaps and stabs, but amazing RGB and proper facing switches
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>>77788946
mbk caps with choc spacing feels amazing because of this. Also it's so you're less likely to press two keys at once/misclick.
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>>77788959
Are they quiet?
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>>77788974
Well this reasoning is shit because I have problems hovering my fingers and also they get stuck between keys sometimes if I press a key on its edges. if I have these problems I can't imagine kids.
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>>77788926
you need to differentiate between keycaps and switches
cherry mx just made popular that style of switch housing and stem design (stem is what you attach the keycap to)

most switches use MX style housing, mountings, and stem design, so most keyboards just support MX style switches and most keycaps are made for MX style stems

cherry MX is just a brand, but most brands use that style of housing/mounting and so do most keyboard manufacturers so everything is kinda standardized
look at Kailh BOX switches, they look and work differently from cherry switches, but their mounting and housing is pretty much identical.
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>>77788974
upon inspection of these mbk caps that you mention, they don't have concave form and the gap is not wide at all.
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>>77789024
>if I have these problems I can't imagine kids.
I think you're just really, REALLY bad at typing.
>I have problems hovering my fingers
Why the fuck are you doing this
> they get stuck between keys sometimes if I press a key on its edges.
What THE FUCK is wrong with you
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>>77789039
thanks for the help anon, god bless you!
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>>77788984
if you want a quiet keyboard, you should look at a rubber dome, a "mechanical" quiet switch is gonna cost more than 50 euros, but the kailh BOX red and black are linear so I guess you could say they are quiet as they dont have something to make a clicky sound in them
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>>77789057
Because there are keys that need me to hover my hand and also because the retarded people that made keycaps are fucking autists that tell people they can't watch at the keyboard when typing.
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>>77782656
You need to wait for the Drop group buys or availability on the website. Yesterday some were available on the website (they made a post saying it), went on it same day and it was already gone.
They go real quick. And on /r/mechmarket it's the same.
Yes, EU. I'd be interested if V3 (hot swappable) or at a good price, otherwise it's probably more money than it's worth for something I'll fuck up since I'm not great at soldering.
Do you also have the kit or do you just have the PCB?
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>>77789219
Learning how to touch type will take a few hours if you are already used to using keyboard. At start it will be slow but in the end you will be better off.
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>>77789348
You have to readjust every time. Not everybody has the same hand size and layout vary a lot. Keycap shapes don't make sense when you take all that into account.
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>>77789671
Unless you have some sort of disability or baby hands there is nothing wrong with any of common keycaps because keys are always in the same distance. And most key caps guide your fingers toward the center of the key for easier operation. Maybe you just need palm rest or adjust keyboard height. You are first person I get to speak with to have this issue.



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