>Assemble a part listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>How to build a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8gWant help?>State monitor, budget, & CURRENCY>Post at least some attempt at a parts list>List your uses, e.g. gaming, video editing, VM work>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)AM4 mobos:>https://imgur.com/JS5OHFHZ490 mobos: Coming soonCPUs>Ryzen 320G/3400G - HTPC, web browsing>R3 3300X - Budget price/performance; 1600AF if you can find for <$100>R5 3600/3700X - High latency gaming/budget productivity>10600KF, 10700KF, 10900KF - High FPS gaming>R9 3900X/3950X - productivity>TR 3960X/3970X/3990X - HEDTRAM>Do NOT use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU, 2x8GB is standard>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL14 or more recommended>AMD B and X chipsets, Intel Z chipsets support XMP; QVL ensures XMP working out of the box>Samsung B-die is now very cheap>Motherboards with 2 RAM slots overclock memory betterGPUsWait for upcoming AMD/Nvidia releases if possible>Used RX570/RX580 or new 1650S - for poorfags>1660S/2060 - good for 1080p>RX 5700/XT - best price/performance, no blower coolers or drivers>RTX 2070 Super - 1440p/budget 4k>RTX 2080 Ti - best GPU on the market, priceyGeneral>Windows 7 on Ryzenhttps://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1>Activating Windows: https://rentry.co/fwt#activating-windowsStorage>Storage is heavily dependent on each person and your use case, there is no "bare minimum">SSDs make a huge difference as a boot drive, as well as for programs and games, avoid DRAM-less SSDs>Media does not benefit from SSDs. HDDs are still cheaper and better for mass and long-term storagePrevious:
Bros how good do you think the Gigabyte B550 Vision D VRMs are? Do you think they would be sufficient to OC zen 3 top end (Ryzen 7/9 4000 series)?
>>76586017Do I need a particular part if I want 2.1 channel sound, or will most chip+mobo builds handle it? What if I want 5.1?
For front panel headers the type c and regular usb ports have the same connector for the same standard, right? So a USB 3.2 gen 2 type a front panel port has the same header for your motherboard as a USB 3.2 gen 2 type c front panel port?Side note: It's been said many times but fuck USB naming.
My 5700XT hasn't had any issues.
>>76586078>For front panel headers the type c and regular usb ports have the same connector for the same standard, right?No, you have to get a board with a seperate usb-c header if you want usb-c functionality>Side note: It's been said many times but fuck USB naming.Indeed
>>76586099>No, you have to get a board with a seperate usb-c header if you want usb-c functionalityDamn, I guess that kind of makes sense because the layout of type c must be different internally for them to be able to have the same throughput as type a with a different connector. Still annoying, of course. Are there adapters I can get that will convert a type a header to type c?
>>76586119>Still annoying, of course. Are there adapters I can get that will convert a type a header to type c?No, not that I'm aware of at least
>>76586017Just bought a GEFORCE RTX 2070 super for my build using a 500W power supply but noticed on the back the min requirement is a 650W power supply. Other parts are on their way from Newegg Amazon etc. Did I fuck up?
>>76586130https://www.amazon.com/LINKUP-Internal-Motherboard-Converter-Adapter/dp/B07WG8ZJ41This one does appear to exist. Not sure how well it works ofc.
>>76586097Same. Don't mind the ban evader, it's not like anyone believes him.>>76586177you're fine. the 650W recommendation is for people with intel housefire CPUs
>>76586185Ryzen 7 2700X
>>76586177>>76586198Same anon as above, should mention that I watched kitguru techs vid and his test showed a little under 290W power draw. So I guess I'm fine?
Do I need more than 450w psu for 3600 + 1650S? No oc or anything just occasional dota game.
>>76586198it should be fine just don't overclock>>76586213no
>>76586177What psu? What CPU? How many hard drives?You're probably fine, anecdotally, my overclocked r5 3600 2060S system never draws more than 320 watts using a PSU with 80+ gold efficency (corsair rm750x)>>76586198See other questions above>>76586181Damn, thats pricey>>76586213No
>>76586233>Damn, thats priceyOh absolutely. And I don't think it even enables the full 10gbps (5gbps only).
>>76586215Can I go lower than 450? It would be nice to save some electricity.
>>76586189>intel housefire CPUsamd CPUs can't become hot because their latency starves the cores
>>76586244PSUs dont use all of their rated wattage at all times newfriend, they only supply as much power as is needed at that time
>>76586244That's not how PSUs work.
>>76586215>>76586233Alright thanks lads, was freaking a bit since this is the first part I received when I picked it up in store.
How likely that a power outage is going to damage PC components?Where I live we get around 3 power outages every 4 months give or take.
>>76586277Very likely. Your use case is exactly why you should invest in a UPS.
IS THERE A SINGLE MONITOR OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T FUCKING SUCK THAT ALSO DOESN'T COST MORE THAN MY ENTIRE COMPUTER
There are two dudes selling GT 1030, one for 40€ and another for 50€. The thing is that these aren't low profile, but they don't have VGA so it doesn't look like they are chink scams. How do I make sure it is an actual 1030 and with DDR5? I will use it on my HTPC (currently using a iGPU from Intel).
>>76586307those things are hot garbage, and so are the prices. Send a pic from the listing and I can tell you if they are fake
>>76586264>>76586268Isnt lower load = lower efficiency. If I draw 80w in 500w psu the efficieny wont hit the stated rating.
>>76586285>Very LikelyDo they really? I've had maybe 4-5 power outages over 6 years on my PC which was running for most of them and never had any issue. I've also accidentally hit my surge protector switch with my feet another 4-5 times and never had an issue. Am I just very lucky?
>>76586307iGPU should be plenty for an HTPC.>>76586336they are usually plenty efficient at 80W.
>>76586285Do I need to get one for laptops too?I have a 2011 old Samsung that has been on when a power outage hits, a dozen times.Or is it different case for a laptops?
>>76586177>>76586213xsx and ps5 beat it
>>76586344Just avoid spinning rust and you'll probably be fine>>76586357Is the battery removed from your laptop? Laptops basically have an integrated UPS so yeah its a different case>>76586369>HURR DURR 500 DOLLAR XBOX WILL BTFO 200 DOLLAR PC
>>76586017What SFF workstation is the best on a $100 max budget for running a pfsense router for a gigabit internet connection? I'm looking at Optiplex 3010/7010 SFF's which seem to float around $70 for models which will need a ram upgrade. Anything out there sub-$100 with enough power but lower power consumption? Noise doesn't matter.
>>76586345But I can't watch 4K movies. Even with a GT 710 or Quadro 2000 (can't even output 4K). My iGPU (from a 4740) can output 4K at 30Hz, but it's not enough to decode video.
>>76586380>spinning rustAh, that would make sense. My build didn't have any hard drives.
>>76586393at some point it might be better to get a better iGPU. You'll eventually pay more in electricity in the long run with an old intel CPU and 1030 than a new CPU iGPU that does 4k.
>>76586369>>76586386Bro I'm not playing games on this shit. I mean I will be but that's not why I had to build one. I need video editing capabilities not high tier either. So when I see the PS5 running photoshop or blender give me a call. Fucking dumbass
>>76586354>that bad backlight bleednope
>>76586325https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/PH-GT1030-O2G/specifications/This one looks legit, and the other one looks exactly the same (another seller from another but near location). I will be able to check them as I will buy them locally.>>76586429Dude, I'm using a CPU that it's more than capable for my needs, only the GPU is the problem. I had a 1060 that I used on another system, so now I can't just watch 4K movies. I won't just get a DDR4 system right now. Also I will just undervolt the GPU or even unplug it as ai just watch movies every a few days or weeks.
>>76586213isnt that a huge bottleneck
>>76586468The other one. Same model, can't really read it but it looks like it has the same sticker, maybe the "O" from 2GO is another letter, but I can just check it.All the chink cards have a VGA port and these don't have any, and I think most try to pass by a 1050 or better, not a 1030. So o thin these are safe.
>>76586336any $ or green gains you could possibly min max out of it, if that even is true, is outweighed by running your psu near max for its whole life killing it faster leading to needing to replace it sooner and more stuff in the landfill. a 1660 super + 3600 combo draws around 300 watts max if you have no perhiphreals and a single m.2 ssd. Which means anything over about 350 watts is fine. A 500-550 watt is personally what I would pair with that system for the above reasons.
>>76586369console faggots can't pirate all their single player games without waiting months to sometimes years after a console's release and spending more than 500 bucks worth of time modding their shitty coomer box.
>>76586468>my needs are 4k video>CPU isn't capable>CPU is more than capableumAnyway, the blue CPB makes me think it's not a 1030. I'm pretty sure they don't use those on anything after like 2013.But look up the model number and see that the PCB looks the same or not.
>>76586473no? a 3600+1600super should be getting 1080p+100fps
I bought the Samsung 970 Evo M2 drive but it makes a grinding noise when reading or writing data. My normal ssds are silent. Should I return this or just live with it? It's almost on par with a normal hdd's noise
Will my ryzen 3600 and 5700xt be able to make use of a 1440p 144hz monitor?
>>76586639Yes, but if you are doing AAA gaming you'll have to compromise some settings. Plus you'll probably have to upgrade the GPU by 2022.
>>76586566>CPU is capableYeah, it is, but it's iGPU isn't. It struggles with 4K. It has no problem with 1080 unless it's really high bitrate.Also, they still use blue PCBs, just look at the link I posted on my post you replied to.
For ultra quiet high end air coolers it's really between NH-D15s, Dark Rock Pro 4, and Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT right?These would be cooling a 3900x or the Zen 3 price equivalent (around $400).
>>76586639Ryzen is not for high FPS gaming.
people with atx mobos, why
>>76586732144hz is fine, forget about 240hz though
ARE 140mm fans worth it over 120 ones?
I need help with my cheap gaming build.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mtthcq + couple old 3.5" HDDs 1. Motherboard. From what I understand from local user comments/reviews, these H310 are mostly low-end and it doesn't really matter who's the manufacturer and ASRock is decent enough for its price despite cheaper plastic. I'd like to know what would be the downsides of using it in such build. Should I grab one made by Gigabyte or Asus instead?2. PSU. I don't plan to upgrade any time soon (aside from second RAM stick some time later) and I need one powerful enough just for this build. Will 400 be enough or I can actually go lower?3. Case. I really hoped I could save money on it and just grab like 15 bucks mini-tower, but I see some people saying on case's comment page that it's a bad idea if I'm going to play games. Will a cheap one really turn it into hot deathbox? What if I install one or two coolers on it? How much additional cooling 1650S needs anyway?I want to build something cheap based on 1650S, but the more I look at it, the more it feels like I can't cut corners on some parts as much as I wanted to. Which is annoying since it cuts into the monitor part of my budget.
>>76586854If you can fit 3 140mm fans were you'd fit 3 120mm fans yes, if you can fit just 2 depends. The bottom 120mm fan isn't giving as much air as it used to on newer cases, as its usually blocked by the PSU shroud.So if you can use a 140mm instead of a 120mm, that's always worth it since it will push more air and you can go lower RPM.
>>76586704There are a few new coolers out there, one that looks like ass, but all dual towers. But yeah, they could cool even a 3950X. Also check if the Arctic 280mm watercooler is the same price as one of these since that will cool about the same or better and give the VRM some additional cooling too.
>>76586933>There are a few new coolers out thereI know, but are any of them as quiet while doing the cooling?>Arctic 280mm watercoolerPretty sure CLCs are louder than the quietest air coolers, which is why I ignored them virtually.
>tfw waiting for amphere gpu's>tempted to just go for a 5700xt since i'm only gaming with 1080p 144hz
>>76586952Hold the line!HOOOOOOOOLD!
Should I go for a 27" 1440p@144/165hz IPS monitor or a 55" 1440p@120hz VA panel TV (Samsung qled q70r)?
>>76586952just wait and you can probably get ~2080Ti perf for the same price
Do standoffs have to be screwed ALL the way in? I have a few that don't go as deep as the others
>>76586746matx would look dumb in my big ass phanteks enthoo pro
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WcgV8M+$1600 budget for 3 monitors + arm(s)Thoughts? Might wait for 3080.
>>76586952just go for it at 1080p 144hz your set for at least three more years plus 2070s + prices are not likely to come down when new gen is out as crypto fags will buy em up in anticipation of a second bitcoin bubble
need 144hz monitor suggestions.would like to not spend more than $300, but am willing to go a little bit over.
Has there been any news on Ampere and/or Zen 3 release window? Or at least news on when we'll hear news?
Bros why are 3300x and 3100 still so limited in supply? Corona?
>>76586581bottleneck calculator says its a terrible match up so fuck that. im gonna go with a 2070 super, pleb
>>76587221>why is it hard to find a $120 better 7700k in stocki dunno lol
>>76587194viewsonic vx2758-2kp-mhd if you can find it in stock anywhere
Got a r5 3600whats a good mobo and ram combo around 200$
>>76587323So you mean people are just buying them as fast as possible? Still shouldn't the amount of product be higher? It's been out for over a month now, and people bought way more intel CPUs back in the day and I don't remember them having supply issues for popular chips that caused them to be 2x MSRP. But I'm also not suggesting that this is necessarily AMD's fault. I just want a cheap but decent CPU supported by my b550 motherboard to hold out until I can sell it at a loss when zen 3 launches.
Does anyone know what’s a good substitute for the EVGA 600 BR 80+ power supply? I need something really similar for around ~$60 that will get the job done just as well. The supply was originally selling on amazon for $55 but I skipped out and now everywhere I can find this power supply the price fucking sky rocketed to the $100s.> Bonus points if you can find a link don’t one that’s ~kinda~ close to that price I mentioned earlier
>>76587416Fuck it, $70 is also something I willing to pay for this power-supply
>>76587323>better 7700kkeep dreaming bro
anyone use/know anything about a Asus VG278QR 27" monitor? thinking about getting it.
>>76587359Intel had supply issues for Pentium G CPUs for many months after adding hyperthreading to the SKUs. For like a whole year, actually.
>>76587441dos it matter which b450
>>76587458Oh, didn't know about that. Fair point. And they didn't have the excuse of Corona.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/Power-Supply-Units-General-Purpose/CV-Series%E2%84%A2/p/CP-9020210-NAI bought this. Is this PSU okay? It had fine user reviews on a few different places.
>>76587470Anything that's not tx/rx/rm/ax/hx from corsair is a fire hazard
>>76587486I'm getting a lot of anxiety about this now
Is there a good cheap prebuilt pc (like optiplex series) with a 24 pin atx connector?i have gpu, psu and storage, i want a cheap pc for about 2 years but i dont want to rely on adapters
Call me stupid but I bought the Alienware R10 with a 2080 Super and a 3700X. I tried making a build list but fucking everything is out of stock right now and even building something using a 2060 KO and a Ryzen 5 came out to about $200 more after shipping since even generic parts are marked up
Of the following in my build, which is the weakest link? Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.75B350 Tomahawk 16gb Corsair 3200cl16 running at 2933 because lol ryzenGTX 970Used for programming, music production, & gaming (1080p 144 monitor & VR)
>>76587592The GPU.Get a 1660Super or 5600XT or wait for next gen 3050/6500.>>76587587wrong thread>>76587580there are. good luck finding one. The time you spend isn't worth the money you probably won't even save.
>>76587587>microatx motherboard with bare minimum vrms>unable to install noctua coolers or 240mm or bigger aiomemes>negative airflow setup. no fan mounts to make it into a positive airflow setup and no dust filters>oem psu with potentially bad voltage rippleoh nonono...at least you didn't fall for the intel meme which will be trash with bad cooling>t. owned an alienware desktop once
>>76587654Fuck man... What the fuck do I do then? I can still cancel it, its being made rn. I need a computer before August. Everything is sold out right now. I tried pricing out a decent midrange build but due to Covid it came out to like $2200 after shipping using generic parts. There no decent used options in my town, this really seems like the best value for me rn. How was your experience with Alienware? They added a liquid cooler for me for free so hopefully that helps mitigate the heat. What would you suggest I do instead with my deadline of needing a PC being August 1st?
>>76586517Well that makes sense.
>>76587724I’ve FUCKING HAD IT with these prices skyrocketing god damn it
>>76587724Get it if you need to but you've been warned.>They added a liquid cooler for me for free so hopefully that helps mitigate the heatIt's just a 140mm closed loop aio, nothing fancy here. Problem is that it's mounted as exhaust meaning that the hot case air is used to cool the liquid. The gpu is a blower style cooler with a cheap ass shroud and pcb design so don't expect it to perform beyond specification.>How was your experience with Alienware?Their saving grace is their great warranty service. I fucked up a motherboard once due to user error and it was replaced free of charge.
>>76587746Whats worse is we cant be confident they will get any better for quite a while. With 2nd round of lockdowns and what not happening in the US its not guaranteed prices will drop or parts even become available
Had been using a 2C/2T pentium for over 4 years now and was very frustrated, finally decided to switch to i3 9100f since it was on sale for ~$80, payment failed on website so decided to try next day. Found out 3100 and 3300X were on shipping the next day. God works in mysterious ways. Bought a 3100 and I'm more than happy with the result. Everything runs at >60 fps at 1080p medium
What do you guys think the DDR5 and next gen GPU situation will be like by Christmas this year? I was planning to wait till then to build a new PC, but I don't want to find out I should of waited a little longer.
so, best 1440p gaming CPU is the i5-10600k right?
>>76587765ddr5 is coming to servers in 2021 and consumers in late 2021 or early 2022next-gen gpus are coming in september to october
>>76587751Fuck man. Are there any prebuilts you would suggest? or any companies that resell prebuilds with upgrades?
can we add FUCK NEWEGG to the OP?
>>76587832what did newegg do now? I order a lot of stuff from Newegg
I'm helping put together a part list for a computer that will be used for audio production. I've read that more PCIe slots are good for audio production, but I haven't read about why that's the case. What PCIe devices will audio producers be plugging into their motherboard? I assume they won't be using a PCIe sound card in favor of an external DAC/AMP.Also, are pcie 4 ssds worth it?
>>76587815Any ODM that uses off the shelf parts would be your best bet. I've heard nzxt offers a build service that charges close to market pricing.
>>76587855why? I owe no allegiance to either brand so I don't give a shit, but I'm not looking to upgrade my system for a while. What CPU/GPU would I be good for at least 2 years? Apparently the new consoles are supposed to be downclocked 3700X/5700XT essentially. Would I be better off getting that same combo as games will be better optimized for it?
>>76587847I honestly dont know why you would need PCIe slots for audio anyway since the external interfaces are better . I do some audio and my brothers a sound engineer and he hasnt used any of those slots
>>76586589Wtf? They shouldn't make any noise.
>>76587809Great. I presume DDR5 will require upgrading mobos if I wind up building later this year? My current PC probably won't last till 2022.
>>76587864because 3600 is inexpensive and has SMT so you can get good in-game performance even with background programs running. the only tidbit with the 3600 is that what you buy is what you get, there is minimal room for overclocking.
>>76587848Thank you, Whats an ODM?
>>76586589are you retarded?
>>76586746why would you want less functionality?
>>76587891so assuming price isn't the issue, the i5-10600k would be a better bet seeing as it has OC headroom?
How do you get Windows 10 cheap? Is it safe to buy off ebay? How do you install on a totally fresh build?
I'm thinking about getting the TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) motherboard. If I go with a pcie 4 ssd, does it matter which m.2 slot I use? The top one is closer and I assume bypasses the chipset, but it goes right under the gpu so the ssd heatsync would conflict with it. The bottom slot goes through the chipset I assume, so I'm not sure if that's worse or not. However, that bottom slot has a built in motherboard heatsync (though I'm not sure if it's better than the one that comes with the ssd).
>>76587957yes, ebay is fine.
is 700w PSU enough for a 3900x and 2080Ti FTW3 ultra (350w TDP apparently), with a lot of USB devices and on time? The PSU calculators always feel like they are going way over the top.
>>76587890Yes. New mobo and new socket is needed.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1522636-REG/cooler_master_mpe_5501_acaaw_us_mwe_550_white_v2.htmli believe this is in the recommended list. let me know if this is an acceptable psu, i've already checked the wattage for my build so im just looking for something stable
>>76587957>How do you get Windows 10 cheap? Is it safe to buy off ebay? How do you install on a totally fresh build?Download an official Windows 10 ISO from microsoft themselves. Then you can get a cheaper key from somewhere like Kinguin who offers insurance for a little bit of money more to ensure the key you get is genuine. (Kinguin is just a key reseller for a whole bunch of software). eBay is hit and miss. I've had key's go "bad" before. There's a reason those keys are like $5. As for how to fresh install, Google it. There are shit loads of guides.
>>76587848You should feel proud. I literally cancelled my R10 order because of you. I am thinking of getting this https://www.letsbld.com/streaming-pcNotice any issues? I intend to use this for music prod, and gaming but I would like to have a decently powerful machine so I dont feel outdated in a few years. Im reading the ram has issues though. Have any recommendations?
>>76587965>If I go with a pcie 4 ssd, does it matter which m.2 slot I use?Yes RTFM. AM4 has a direct 4x cpu connection for one m.2. slot. The remaining 1-2 m.2. slots connect to the pch.
>>76588002I explored the mobo manual a bit before posting, but perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. Where in the manual would it talk about this stuff, or are you referring to a different manual?Also, what is the pch? Is that the chipset?
>>76587815Look up Maingear if you live in the USA. They were one of the companies Linus Tech Tips YouTube channel included in the prebuilt secret shopper test. Maingear beat out Alienware. Better shopping experience, better built product, better customer service and technical support. They are based out of New York so I'm not sure how much shipping will cost you I'd you are off in California or some shit. https://maingear.com/
>>76587453>27" 1080pNo sir, I don't like it.
Judge me. Don't hold back. Though my reason for this case and the big fans+heatsink is because I live in the Sonoran desert and I don't trust liquid cooling to not stab me in the dick some day for no reason at all.
Pixio PX247 vs Asus VP249QGR.
any one have the list of parts to straight up avoid and alternatives for it?
>>76587979>is 700w PSU enough for aYes.
>>76587895original device manufacturer, i.e. hp, dell, acer, lenovo etc.>>76587992That's a good gaming build but I would upgrade the psu to a 750w for future upgrade capability, and upgrade the ram to 3600mhz. I made this $1,643 config:>https://www.letsbld.com/bld/step4?price=1500&draft=6919216577#>music prodGo look up whether the applications you use perform better on Intel. If it doesn't matter then proceed with the build above.
>>76588081Dammit, that one has the wrong heatsink on it.Also, sales tax here is 10-fucking-percent.
>>76588058>>76588085People like you guys are the reason I will never shitpost this board. I appreciate you.
>>76588095What kind of parts?
>>76588098Alright, thanks anon. And it should be fine for OC on the CPU and GPU as well, right?
>>765881003700x and b550 mobo, be quiet dark rock pro 4 as a cooler. You should probably go for a full tower and some more fans if you are worried about temps. I did in Aus and I'm glad I did, cooling a pc in 38c ambients in a cramped case is a nightmare.
>>76588109it had a bunch of common shit to avoid like memhawk and nocturne
>>76588091I beg you.
>>76588119I'm a pussypants and would get 750w, but if someone handed me a fully built PC with a 700w PSU and those components I wouldn't break a sweat.
>>76588091>>76588156the Asus because they're at least a mainstream name. Pixio is meh.
>>76588143What's the comparison between the i7-9700k? Is it a meme or is there a very legitimate reason why it's suggested over intel so much for gaming or is it just a money saver for equal performance? I've largely not participated in computer politics for the last 10 years so I'm not up to date.
>>76588149It's hard to do because a lot of companies are hit and miss. Even the worst companies will have a gem every once in a while.
>>76588176*b550 + amd 3X00x
>>76588168>went out of stock while I was going through the purchasing proccess.
>>76588195Every 15 minutes something goes up by 5-10 dollars.The fuck, man....
Would a mix of SODIMMS and Regular DIMMS work?I have some spare laptop ram lying around so I've been looking to put them to use
>>76588160Alright, maybe I think I'll stick to 700 and maybe be conservative on OC, thanks anon.
>>76588222Even with adaptors?
>mfw evga blower 1060>mfw 94F room temperature>mfw 110 idle with 60% fanI wanted a 3070 but I don't think I can wait until December.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJ34L2Is this a decent list? I want to be able to run all games but don't need them to be ultra high settings, just run at 60+ frames. I already have some storage and just a 100 dollar aoc monitor, so I didn't include them
For a workflow of:"Mostly art, so stuff like photoshop, illustrator, clip studio, working with unity, music production in fl studio, video rendering in after effects, 3d modeling and maybe some gaming"would you guys recommend 16 or 32 gigs of ram?
>>76588302That card is criminally overpriced.$400 should get you at least a regular 2070. in 2020. Worst case scenario a 2060S.
>>76588176The 9700k is faster for games, but not 100+ usd faster. The 3700x has smt so it will crush the 9700k in anything else.
>>7658831632, ignore the 16fags.
How long does it take for Ali express to shipppppp I ordered my mobo a month agoooo
>>76588324idk why it's listed at that price, I got it for a reasonable price
>>76588397>chinked>>76588316If you're making money, 32GB>>76588302Assuming you already have the graphics card, it's fine. You probably should upgrade your monitor>>765882783070 will be even a higher wattage than a 1060
>want to build a PC>have almost no understanding of the actual hardware of a computer>cable management would probably make me chimp out>pic related
>>76588445Never said I'd buy a blower 3070.
Have a new Z490 MSI unify and a Noctua NH-U12A. What have I done wrong in pic related? The rear fan doesn't fit as the mobo heatsink to the left blocks it. I followed the LGA115x instructions as Noctua says it should be the same procedure.
the 2080 super is gonna be hella cheap in just a few months, just you wait and see, my build is gonna be better than yours
>>76588668I owned a top model 2080Ti since launch.
>>76588577They don't test the cooler on every single motherboard ever made. The Mobo heatsink is just a little taller than normal. Adjust the fan accordingly.
What type of CPU/GPU combo would I need to play these games at 1080p/60fps?Tekken 7 Mount Blade BannerlordSkyrim with a ton of modsElden Ring For HonorGTA VSekiroDoom EternalWould a Ryzen 5 and a 2060 do the trick? Could I go cheaper?
>>76588688do u like it?
>>76588707>Could I go cheaper?yeah, r5 2600 and 1660 super is a very good combination for that
>>76588708Yes. It clocks to 2059MHz at stock voltages and boost while staying at sub 74C on the stock fan drive because it's a triple fan, triple slot monster. Doesn't overclock worth a shit because it's already near it's max potential. Pushes my 1440p 165HZ panel well. Waiting on the 3080Ti to launch and we what sort of performance I'll be looking at then. Probably gonna go water cooling too. I waited too long to get a full cover block for this current card, now the blocks are near impossible to find and are considered EOL. What I get for getting a non standard PCB I suppose.
>>76588717Right on. Thanks brudda
>>76588748i hope the 2080 is cheap enough to the point of being soewhat afforadable in a few months. the 2070 super is still pricey right now but i can get still get it. if the 2080 doesnt budge ill probably stick with the 2070
>>76587460pretty much anything is fine for a 3600if you want some variety between brands, you can go for an Msi MAX (any of those is fine), a Gigabyte Aorus Elite, an Asus Tuf Gaming Plus, or an Asrock Pro4 or Steel Legend
I'm very anxious right now. I have most of the parts for my first build. I'm worrying about a lot. I'm worried about how inefficient I was with money (especially because I decided to build a PC during the fucking pandemic). I'm worried about inadequate parts. I'm worried that I won't be able to build the PC properly. I've spent basically every day researching this shit lately. It's something I've always wanted to do and finally I just pulled the trigger. Still, I find myself more upset as I can't stop myself from scrutinizing every mistake I've made so far and thinking about every mistake I'll probably make soon when it's time to build. I know I'm just being dramatic but I feel so stupid. Learning has been exciting and I'm still glad I'm trying something new. I just feel like I'm doing everything wrong.
>>76588717>>76588731How does this look? Anyway to get this build cheaper but still keep it effective? I feel like I might as well upgrade it a bit at this priceAlso, have an acquaintance who is looking to sell this monitor for $100: AOC E2752Vhis that a good one?
>>76588866I know that feel bro Im the retard who ordered and cancelled an Alienware computer just now. Shit is stressful. Hang in there friend, it'll all be comfy in the end. Also fuck the PS5
Going to pull the trigger on this tonight. For 1080p/144hz, somewhat cheap build to hold me over until zen 3 and nvidia 3xxx. Would you change anything?
>>76588901Unless you are planning on getting a new motherboard with Zen 3, get a better one now. B550 tomahawk is good.
The memory I want to buy is on my motherboard's QVL list, but not on AMD's own list of supported memories.It should work right? Should I even look at AMD's list of supported RAM or only look at the motherboard's?
>>76588888Yeah I think once everything is settled things should be fine. Good luck, anon.
>43% of all completed builds over past 4 months have been using Meshify Chow did they make one case so sexy
>>76588866People always stress about the dumbest things when building computers anywayThe things people fret about, like RAM speed or CPU coolers or VRM temperatures or SSD speed, do not actually make any difference whatsoever.You think they do, but they don't. Not really.
>>76588704I see, thanks for the reply anon. This is how it looks now. That is fine, right? It is not touching it directly, I was worried if that would mess with the temperatures being that close.
>>76588921This.Spend a little extra so you aren't back here whining about AMD not supporting your now multiple generations old motherboard /g/ told you to get because they are NEETs who think everything should be a just-good-enough budget build in a pizza box.
>>76588990It's fine as long as any extra added height from raising the fan can be accomodated by your case.If you're worried about VRM temps for any reason (probably no reason to), just push the front CPU cooler fan even lower to make it extend below the CPU heatsink. It will then throw air onto the VRMs behind the CPU.
>>76586065pc's can do that when playing certain files , but if your speakers suck or are not comptible with 5.1 then you wont get 5.1 obviously
>>76588982Literally all of those things matter except maybe ssd speed beyond a certain point.
>>76589030Gotcha, I'll see how the temps are. Many thanks.
>>76589060I think his point was that for the average user it really isn't worth stressing over that stuff. Get quality hardware, get quality real world results. Crunching numbers is enthusiast tier.
>>76588397hey man that scared the shit out of me, fuck you
Nvidia RTX 3000 are coming in september right? What about new CPUs? Is there any leaked date?
>>76589029Didn't AMD back-peddle and say B450 MAX mobos would be okay for zen3?
>>76586097>>76586189Which models you have? I really really want to buy a 5700xt but really scared of all issues i keep watching on internet, even the official forums are filled with threads. I've a Sapphire rx580 4gb, and plenty of past ati/amd models a never had a problem.
>order a stick of ddr4>will ship by september 18thwhat the actual fuck? is the supply chain still boned? are people really still LARPing with this covid shit?
I just upgraded my pc and I have a P8Z77-V LX and 2500k lying around, any idea where I should offload this stuff? Just craigslist or should I just use eBay
>>76589189they need a bios update because the motherboard doesn't have enough storage for all the microcode for the new generation of processors
>>76589317Dude half of the new B550 models are getting launch stock by August half, just imagine.
>>76589449>(meme)That brings the argument down two notches
>>76587907Yes. The 10600K overclocks easily to 5GHz and has lower memory latency and average intercore latencies which games heavily benefit from.
>>76589449There's nothing wrong with the EVO Plus, it's still king and the price difference isn't that high.
>>76589449This is a Ryzen owner's cope manual. The 10700K and 10900K are irreplaceable for max FPS gaming.
building a computer for audio production 75% of the time and video production for the other 25%.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WFpwh>intelI'm using thunderbolt 3
Computers are designed to always use 2 RAM stick in pair that are exactly the same. Why do they not instead make a single bigger RAM stick that has twice the connections and twice the capacity?
>>76589637Also, most pc's won't even boot if 1 of the 2 RAM sticks are dead.
I downsized :)It was a bitch to build though.
>>76589667That looks like my S340 but it looks kinda abused near the bottom, why did you hurt it?
>>76589692The front panel just isn't put back in all the way in the bottom left corner. It's an S340 indeed.
>>76589449What a cringe list.Why don't you add NZXT h510, WD Blue, Corsair CX series and AMD Sapphire GPUs. I'm sure you can make up some equally retarded justifications why they are bad.
>>76589563sn750's been going for as low as $115 lately, evo plus's $180 going rate/$245 msrp is pretty laughable for 20% gains when both cards are probably going to bottleneck on the bus or cpu in your average ssd consumer anyways.
the 1tb sn750 is 15 dollars more than the 500tb evo plus for comparison
>>76589893Over here the SN750 is 180€ and the Evo Plus is 202€ for the 1TB models
>>76589842cx psu's are un-ironically bad. switched mode + active pfc, and the entire green label run of them which still get sold today are notoriously some of the worst psu's a mainstream brand's ever put out. the newer white label cx's are just mediocre, not really bad though. they mainly become a problem if you're running your pc anywhere with dirty power, or if you want to run a ups on your system. although it's not as big of a problem because apc and cyberpower recently put out real sinewave ups's at an affordable $150 starting this year. used to not be able to run a ups with a cx psu unless you used an enterprise level always online or something. source: cx750's in two of my pc's
>>76589910euroland evo plus might be worth it. wd's been giving away sn750's like candy in burgerland. they retail around the same but go on sale almost daily somewhere.
>>76589932in corona market cx's aren't a bad choice though. corsair sells refurbished semi modular ones for $0.10 per watt or less on amazon. but on a normal day i'd take a seasonic or even within the brand, a rmx over a cx(m) any day
>>76589932What's a good PSU then?
How many 3.5" 7200rpm drives would you feel comfortable powering off a molex connector using good splitter cables? Is there a difference in maximum current that a molex can handle vs regular SATA power connector?I have 8 HDDs right now powered off a mixture of molex and SATA but would like to expand and cleanup power delivery.Was wondering if it's possible to power 5 drives off a single molex, allowing me to use all 3 peripheral cables that came with the corsair cs650m and letting me go up to ~14 drives.The PSU came with a 6pin cable that has either 3 or 4 SATA power connectors, how many splitters could I use with that?PSU is a corsair cs650m, no GPU and just a xeon 1240v3 so the overall load is rather low.
Is the 3400G a good replacement for my i5 4460? I need an iGPU in case my GPU suddenly dies
Why does nothing that came with my case plug into my mobo easily?
I'm in a similar situation as >>76587946Initially I googled the pcpartpicker note and the results on various tech forums suggested that the last 4-pin is only required if you're doing extreme overclocking with things like liquid nitrogen. However, /sqt/ seems to suggest that if you don't get a PSU that has the 4-pin you're making a big mistake. Which is it?
I've got a 650 watt power supply with a 2060 Super and a piece of shit 1030 GT on the way for a GPU passthrough setup. The 1030 is powered entirely through pcie and it's tiny and unassuming (looks like a sound card). For something that low wattage, I'm not going to have any power issues, am I?
What are some decent white LED (or RGB) case fans I could grab? I'm looking for 3x120mm or 1x120mm and 2x140mm.
>>76590345No, you wont.
If i was going to sell a pc i built myself where would the best place to sell it be? ebay?
>>76590921Heavily depends on your region
>>76590921where do you live
>>76590690CorsairMight be sold out though
>>76590224The 8-pin connector can do 300W (or 500 if high current pins are used). A stock 3950X might draw 150A at peak load. Don't sweat it.
For B550 is there really a disadvantage of going with mATX instead of ATX? I don't think I'll install more than one NVMe drive.It seems the mATX boards have PCIe x16 + x4 + x1 while the ATX boards have PCIe x16 + x2 + x2 + x1. Am I missing something? The mATX boards are a fair bit cheaper.
>>76590984For your traditional gayman rig with 1 graphics card and maybe a capture card mATX is fine. It just looks a bit silly in an ATX case.
>buy b450 mobo>have 2 m.2 nvmes>if i put both in it will choke my pc's performance for some reasonso whats the point of having 2 m.2 slots
>>76590999I was also considering a case smaller than my current 200r.
>>76589449>straight up admits it's the best>b-but it's more expensive!lmaothis is all poorfag cope
>>76591049Also, comparing liquid cooler (arctic liquid freezer 2) of same price with 2 year warranty, to the 6 year warranty NH-D15. With noctua you get new mounting hardware for free, if you happen to change motherboard. The person who made that list must be retarded.
>>76586017Is the r5 3600x worth the extra $40 on the 3600, or should I just get the 3600?
>>76591013>if i put both in it will choke my pc's performance for some reasonHow so? Remember you've only got so many PCIe lanes to play with on B450. Especially off the chipset.
>>76591114yea i didnt realize thatbasically if you put 2 m.2s in you dont get the full bandwidth it needsshould have jumped for the 570fuck me, right?
>>76591124It's not that bad. Sequential speed suffers for sure but that's a pretty niche application and you should know if you need it. For loading stuff like programs and games the random speeds are comparable.
>>76591114>>76591124My MSI B450-M has two m.2 slots, one PCIE 3.0 4x and the other PCIE 2.0 4x. Using the second m.2 slot also disables the PCI_E4 slot.
>>76591168b450-f over hereJUST
>>76591159I agree, either you need that extra bandwidth or you don't. For normal use cases you will never notice a difference. Strange how much higher 4KiB Q32 writing is when using chipset lanes.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HkjcDxany last changes before I hit the button? Will use it for gaming and streaming and ill use my old 1070 card till the 3000 series comes out.
>>76591189Yep. To be fair that's a sample size of 1 (Sabrent Rocket E12S). No idea if it's repeatable and I don't fancy digging my drive out to test it again.
>>76591177I never had plans to expand beyond a GPU and using all of the SATA and m2 ports so disabling pcie slots doesn't bother me at all, nor does pcie2 2.0 bother me on the second m2 slot. However it's also disappointing to see shit getting disabled just because something gets plugged in.I'm guessing ultimately it boils down to some cost saving measure. It's not like I spent a lot on this motherboard. It does feel starved of lanes.
>>76591226its less cost saving and more that they dont want to burn the board out
>>76591226I'd rather sacrifice some 3.1 gen2 ports and whatnot to free up some lanes.
>>76591200I'd rather get 650w psu and save a few bucks, if you plan on getting 3070.
>>76591238What do you mean? Are b450 using cheaper materials than x470 or something?
>>76591248its not material quality and more "this is how the board's circuts are pathed and they are on thin as fuck margins so we are going to disallow certain things that are technically possible to stop them from burning their board outits "cost saving" in the way that it allows people who dont want to drop 300 on a mobo to get a computer up and running
>>76591200What price are you paying for the mobo? Maybe try for a B550m DS3H. You get PCIe 4 and an easy upgrade to Zen 3. Really depends on the price though.PSU is overkill. Better to get a higher quality 650 or even 550W unit.Straight Power 11 550W is $110 or the 650W MWE unit is $100 if you think you'll be upgrading to a 4950X+3090 at some point.What are you paying for the monitor? It's a fine unit but it's still TN so don't let them charge you too much.
>>76591200Better psu, 3600 and a b550. 3700x isn't worth the price for only 2 more cores. B550 let's you upgrade to 4000, plus pcie 4.0 for rtx 3000 series
>>76591264Are you saying motherboards basically get binned like CPUs and RAM? I had no idea.
>>76591306nomotherboards are just likebreadboards for computersthey have a certain amount of lanes from A piece of electronic to B piece these lanes have a certain amount of bandwidth they are rated forsure a b450 technically could operate with all lanes firing but the heat tolerances on it would be unreliable
>>76591315That makes sense thanks for explaning.
>>76589637Because ram is small enough, and capacity has grown quickly enough that there's never really been a need to make individual sticks larger.
>>76591306Not in the sense of the silicon lottery. It's more like how much copper they can afford to put in it and still make a profit. Plus IC components; controllers, filtering capacitors, etc. all cost money and the ones rated for PCIe 2 speeds (for example) are naturally cheaper.
>>76590690I think phanteks makes some? Maybe Fractal as well.
>>76586017Where would I buy a SAS 12gb/s enclosure with a USB 3.0 type C port? (That's 10gb/s. 2gb/s bottlenecked but I'd rether not use lightning cables.)An answer or some advice would be a huge help. I've been reading into enclosures for the past 2 weeks on Amazon, TigerDirect & NewEgg and they all look like the same trash.
>>76591247>>76591286These are the prices I pay in euroland>AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - €280>ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO - €45 >MSI B450M MORTAR MAX - €105 >Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 - €80 >Kingston A2000 1TB - €115 >Corsair 275R Airflow - €75>Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold - €90>Acer KG271U Abmiipx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor - €280
>>765913483600, b550 mortar or tomahawk
>>76591388Gumtree and ebay. Just list it on as many sites as you can think of
>>76591344>I've been reading into enclosures for the past 2 weeks on Amazon, TigerDirect & NewEgg and they all look like the same trash.That's because they are and they are massively overpriced on top.What is it that you are wanting to achieve? I've fucked around with enclosures for way too long until simply building a server with a SAS controller. Or find the smallest possible PC case for the number of drives you need, some low power PSU and basically turn it into your own external SAS enclosure.
>>76591348>MSI B450MI can't let you do that anon. MSI is pretty shitty and I regret going for a b450m.
>>76591348Why post the USA PCpartpicker link then?>MSI B450M MORTAR MAX - €105You're kinda starved for B550 in Yurop. The €115 ASUS Prime-A is sort of okay but should be more like €90.>Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold - €90That's not too bad. I'd rather get the new Seasonic FOCUS 550W for the same price. Quality over quantity. The Enermax Revolution D.F. 650W is also available for €95 (Germany) and will feed any single-GPU build on the market.
>>76591415>What is it that you are wanting to achieve?I need 3 individual SAS HDDs, 1TiB each and enclosed because in my case they will primarily be used externally.But I'd like to retain the option to use these internally if possible. Especially if the performance loss externally is only 2gb/s.Thanks for all the possible alternatives though. I just don't believe that any of the ones you mentioned would work in my case.
Ive been using a 400W PSU for the past 2 years and I was sure I was using a 550W oneI made the list, ordered and built this thing from start to finish all by myselfi5-8500 /rx 580 btwtfw losing mind
Raid 4 860 evos and partition them for two VMs, or raid 2x2 with a raid for each VM?
HOw much bend is too much for an AIO?
>>76591656>i5-8500>~130W full load>rx580 ~220WWhat's the problem here? Yeah chipset and whatnot will consume some power too but since it's been working all this time who cares? You could gain quite a bit more efficiency by using a more powerful psu and not running it at 90%.
>>76591700If you use 4 drives for all VMs it just means that one VM could starve the other of bandwidth depending on what you're doing. Using 2 drives per VM at least guarantees it gets to use both drives exclusively as opposed to sharing a total of 4 drives amongst other VMs.Hope this makes sense.
>>76589449>recommending vastly inferior QLC SSD's in lace of objectively superior TLC.Do not listen to this bullshit chart. Recommending a QLC SSD because it's cheaper than TLC is uninformed as fuck. WD SN750 is going to be slower when full and more likely to fail than 970 evo. Buy QLC only if you're not putting important shit on it.
>>76590208Cpuz says its equal, if you have a dgpu, skip to 3300x , 2600 or higher
If I want to sell a 3rd gen i5 desktop (8gb ram, no gpu), should i upgrade it with an SSD first? how big should it be if so.
Is the Meshify C Mini any good?
Is the stock cooler on the R7 3700X fine?
what's your favorite case and why
>>76592385fractal all blackno childish bling bling
>>76592385It just works
Hey lads, are SATA cables universal? The ones that came with my case dematerialized and I need to get some more because I have a Blu-Ray drive to install.
>>76592429yesbut whenever you get a new PSU, don't re-use your power SATA cables
Are closed loop water coolers a meme?
>tfw you get your CPU from a sandwich shopBros is shopBLT.com legit?
>>76592552only us water if you don't have space for a normal tall heatsink.
>>76592591CHANGE YOUR EMAIL PASSWORD, NOW
If I refuse a UPS delivery from newegg I don't have to pay for the return right?
Silent wings 3 or noctua f12?
>>76591763The VMs would only be used one at a time, as I'd be switching between my desktops (Gayming Juandows and Arch Linux) cus of PCI passthru.
>>76586942You don't know much then. Check GamerNexus review on that cooler. At a normalized noise level, it cools better. It does at 100% too but with extra sound. You could add two extra fans for push/pull and then lower the RPM more to get to the desired noise level.
>want to add rbg fans>system only has 60mm fans>motherboard has proprietary pinouts for powerfeels bad man
Stupid question, but on my Z490 Unify, it says apart from the CPU fan, all the other fans are 'default DC mode' connectors. As my fans are PWM, should I be setting it to DC or PWM mode in the UEFI?
At this point, is it just best to wait for the RTX 3000 series before upgrading my GTX 970? Primarily motivated for Cyberpunk desu.
>>76592694Doesn't matter. Beige fans are better for flexing though.
who here is ready to consoom on Prime day in ~2 weeks?
>>76593115If the headers are 3-pin you can't run them in PWM mode because there's nothing to carry the PWM signal. PWM-capable (i.e. 4-pin) fans can be run in DC mode but the available range of speeds will be limited.
>>76593115>>76593203More importantly. What the fuck is a $300 board doing with 3-pin fan headers?
what’s the smallest case i can fit a noctua d15 in :^)
>>76591738yeah that's the thing, it's probably running along the lines of 65-75% most of the time simply because pretty much nothing puts both on full load, but thats a lot of unnecessary power wasted and heat caused at like 1-2k hours per year
>>76593203Thanks anon. Pic related is taken from the manual. In summary, CPU = PWM mode, the rest = DC mode? I had it on PWM mode for a day and the fans still worked and were adjusting its speed depending on temperature (this was on the Smart Fan mode). What gives?
>>76591656580 efficiency is terrible, it eats as much power as Rtx2070. Just sell it and make a small upgrade (like 1660 Super)
>>76593467Those are all PWM headers. If your fans have matching 4-pin (or rather 4-socket) connectors you should run them in PWM mode to fully utilize the range of speeds available to them. "What gives" is that you had the correct fans in the correct headers and used them correctly to control their speed.
>>76593503Fuck me thanks anon. Appreciate the help. Building my first PC has been a ride.
>>76586017>Want to buy a specific graphics card.>Not in stock anywhere.>Not even available via the manufacturer. >Live in a city with no computer store, like Microcenter.What the fuck /pcbg/ bros? Did I get too cocky?
>>76593497A lot of 580 have massive room for undervolting which makes a massive difference. My stock voltage is 1150mv but I've not had a crash at 1050 yet, it's way cooler and draws a lot less power.
>>76593043>Pimping a sff optiplex/thinkcenter/whateverGet reckt, naco
>>76592591Bought a PSU from there once. It's alright
Anyone? My question was either put 4 860 evos in raid 0, or do 2x2 in raid 0 for my virtual machines/desktop. I have a virtual desktop, and I wanna switch between loonix and juandows, but, they will never be on at the same time. Should I just go with the 4 drive raid?
I got a phanteks enthoo 719 for my gaming machine/seedbox, am I gonna regret it?
>>76594177Seems okay. It's not a particularly modern case in terms of airflow but we got by without mesh fronts for 30 years so it can't be that bad. Personally I'd rather have a mid tower for my desk and run a separate machine for a seedbox but if you've got a separate office room it's less of an issue.
What's the best 2060S model? Not super interested in overclocking, just want something cool and quiet out of the box.
>>76592670lol>>76594090Good to know, they're the only retailers I know of who are allowing preorders of the 3300x and 3100 at close to MSRP, and they suggest they will ship them soon.