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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU
>R7 1700X - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p 16:9
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard
>RX 5700 - overkill framerates*
1440p 16:9 + 1080p 21:9
>RX 5700 - basic
>RX 5700XT - standard*
>RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in some games*
2160p 16:9 + 1440p 21:9
>RTX 2070 Super - standard
>RTX 2080Ti - best fit for 4K but expensive
*requires complementary CPU and high Hz monitor

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync
>A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

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cl14
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gonna try flashing my b450 tomahawk wish me luck bros
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>>71847957
>>71847581
>>71847785
Gonna keep posting it you cucks, give me (You)'s

If you want me to post what I've come up with so far, or update when I'm done, sure, just feed me keywords.
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fuck
repost from last thread
is it worth rrplacing 6700k for a 6 core cpu for gayming
thanks
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>UPS delayed my shipment of the 3900X to Monday
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>>71847988
sure give us some details (does this not fit under the home server general btw?)
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Jokes aside, will adding a fan over the dvd drive help cooling the VRMs, or will it more likely conflict with the air of the "ziptied" fan?
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>>71848011
what do you play
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>>71847977
no don't do that, it makes mustard gas
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Is there a reason I shouldn't get this?
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>>71848036
yes, the 3400G is out
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>>71848047
And I would have to spend an extra $100 just to get the 3400g and a compatible motherboard.
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>>71848018
it should but if your case gets too cramped air still wont be able to flow properly. get a better case.
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>>71848011
no nigger that cpu is still fine for the next 2-3 years
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>>71848059
The same mobo fits retard

>>71848065
The air won't get cramped, there's the psu and that fan over it exhausting air.
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>>71847974
is a massive waste of money..

literally spend the extra money on a much better gpu ffs
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>>71848072
Not if you don't have an older CPU to update the motherboard with, retard.
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>>71848083
cope
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Is there any problem with the logical increments list? Way back I remember some shit talk but Im so out of the loop and I didnt see people talking good or bad about it even in its own thread. The outstanding tier is right about the amount Im wanting to spend.
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>>71848099
go to a store and flash it
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>>71848018
Just what the fuck is wrong with you....
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>>71848083
t. lost the lottery
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>Cooler Master G750M PSU 'Semi-Modular, 80 Plus Bronze, 750W'
got this power supply a couple of years ago
if i want to buy a 3900x will i be fine?
i plan to use the r9 290 i have and a couple of hard drives + ssd alongside it
should i invest in a better power supply?
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>>71848104
it's out of date
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where to buy used gpus?
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>>71848015
Thought about that, but it will end up being a PC and I am specifically talking about hardware. Basically I'm going to set up a network in my home, proper switching, firewall and DMZs and whatever, and behind one of those DMZs I'm going to have a desktop, and a shitload of custom of hacked "IoT" devices (Intranet of Things). I think the idea of having a lot of things connected is super cool, but fucking worse than useless if I don't have absolute control over each device. So I can have a big fuckoff tower, 3 GPUs, a ton of harddrives, whatever I want and on that tower I have NAS in a VPS, a router in a VPS, GPU passthrough to some Raspi type shitbox plugged in to my TV, music player in a VPS, and I can pass everything else I want to a keyboard, mouse, screen, etc at another raspi type whatever I'm using to plug peripherals into. With proper hardware passthrough, each VM only has access to each physical resource I assign it, so everything stays nice and segregated and it doens't get super fucky really fast. A proper hardware hypervisor, especially Qubes, lets you load and kill VMs super quickly an easily, so I can use linux for whatever I want, load up tails to browse, shut tails off, load up windows to play games, load linux back up for work, or even have them all running at the same time and just tab between them because they're all in a VM, they all have their own hardware, and none of streams every cross so it's 0% gay.
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>>71848160
However, reading into this the hardware I need to use to do this gets really fucking complicated, because sometimes stuff chipsets are phsyically capabable of doing are just turned off in lower end versions, or certain things don't support other things, or there's very high latency in specific configurations, etc. I've found a very long list of problems but no specific solutions. It's a really specific usage case, and I'm not super into hardware so I don't even know what I should type into google to figure out what the fuck actually does what I want it to do. I'm 99% sure I can figure everything else out as long as the hardware is physically capable of doing what it is that I want it to do.
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>>71848126
Stop humiliating me
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>>71848150
I see, since falcon had just made a thread I assumed it was relatively fresh. How out of date is it? Im so horribly out of the loop that Im just trying to get my bearings on starting. Also people used to say liquid cooling was a meme, is that still the case? Im sorry for the likely dumb questions but one of the featured builds on the pcpartpicker in the op uses it so I wasnt sure
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3900x need a cooler or is it good vanilla?
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>>71847957
reccomend me dood Mobo for 3600X 5700Xt
gayming
also should i buy it now or wait fag till mid august (when AIB 5700XT comes out) to have a mobo with a functional bios pre flashed?
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>>71848180
last update is from last month, so no new AMD CPUs or GPUs
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>>71848211
should be ok w/ the included cooler if you don't OC at all. preferably get a better cooler.
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>>71848180
liquid cooling is a huge meme, air is perfectly sufficient unless you're going for ultra mega turbo overclocks
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>>71847957
Should i buy my ryzen zen 2 CPU now or are price going to significantly drop during July/August?
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Do you guys install RGB into your cases?
If so, do you use your motherboard's headers, or do you use a third-party controller?

I'm asking for a friend......
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>>71848134
guys...
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>>71848180
>>71848229
It's literally written and adapts to your country choice.
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>>71848229
He just posted a july update
>>71822194
Here

Is there anything wrong with this new one?
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>>71848179

Don't listen to the zoomers man, your case is great
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>>71848278
I see, I do recall he's still waiting for reviews for certain parts like the new ryzen 5s
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What are your favorite cases to work with? Looking for suggestions. Mid or full.
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>>71848305
Thanks bro!
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>>71848174
>>71848160
how much can you spend on this?
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I'm about to build my first computer ever after piggybacking on my friends doing everything for me.
I am terrified I will find a way to fuck it up.

Any tips for a first-timer?
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>>71848349
Don't worry so much. A monkey could assemble a PC nowadays.
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>>71848324
For the Mobo + CPU? 1k probably, maybe 1.2k
I'll do my best to figure out GPU and RAM on top of that, pretty sure RAM just werks as long as it's passed through per stick and the mobo doesn't have an aneurysm, but I could be wrong. Also a really big power supply and whatever else goes into a computer, but I don't think I need any help with that unless someone has some really good recommendations.
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>>71848349
you can do it senpai
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>>71848349
don't set it on fire, that's bad
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>>71848349
get a full atx case for your first build so that you have room to move around.
read instruction manuals.
double check all cables before booting for the first time.
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>>71848099

Get an MSI B450 board instead. They have the ability to flash bios with USB.
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>>71848373
I mean I already have all my parts, it's just the assembly process that's got me shitting bricks.
Like I'm stressing about how much thermal paste to put on and things like that.
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>>71848304
Maybe he's not done updating?
I don't know why he's recommending the 9600k
when the 3600/3600X exists.
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>>71848104

Logical increments is a good place to start based on your budget.

Take their build for your budget, put it into PC part picker, then ask /g/ and plebbit for advice on parts to switch out in order to maximize value/fps/whatever your goal is.
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>>71848364
And, I mean, if it ends up only being doable with a 1500 dollar CPU or some shit sure I'll just eat beans and rice for a few months. iGPU would be cool for the CPU so I can just run the base system/hypervisor off that and don't need to worry about dedicating another GPU to that.
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>>71847957
So, why should I even close my case in the first place? Shouldnt it be cooler considering theres more air? Dust is not a problem since im on a 6th floor and it can be cleaned very quickly with compressed air, so tell me, why should I close my case at all?
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>>71848410
so you don't accidentally ejaculate into it
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>>71848364
>>71848403
Also definitely interested about whether or not a single closed loop watercooling system makes sense, I don't really care how it looks and I'm fairly confident I can build it, I've done some plumbing in my time, I only really care if it's a big benefit now for actual performance.

Also good linux support for motherboard bits like audio controllers and mouse and keyboard stuff and whatever other hardware the motherboard manages would be really good, things are gonna get piped around a lot and I haven't touched windows in years so it would be awesome if all that stuff just worked in a basic setting.
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>>71848402
Thanks anon, ill get that build ported over for that then.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8jmNRJ

Instead of building two PCs for my girlfriend and I, I was thinking of building one PC and using virtual tech to turn into two individual gaming PCs. 14 core processor, a couple 2080s and 1440p 144hz monitors, and all the storage and a gpu/monitor for the original. What do you guys think?
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>>71848228
>3600X
>gaming
Anything will do.. really. BIOS and RAM will be your issues if you decide against X570 or presumably B550, if that will be a thing.
For the 5700XT wait for custom cards. Blower cards blow.
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>>71848395
put on enough to cover the heatspreader but not so much that it spills over the sides.
which thermal paste are you using?
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>>71848364
I mean if you plan to run three real GPUs in it the cheapest motherboard I can think of that has 3 full size PCIe slots is the Asrock Taichi mATX TR4. Together with a 2950X this would be about 1000$ but a questionable investment with a new generation of Threadrippers on the way.
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>payday same as Prime day
maybe I'll get lucky and pick up a good 144hz screen. doubt they'll discount the actual CPU/mobo any significant amount
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>>71848396
From his post
>- The 3200G, 3400G, and the 3600 were not added, as the reviews for these are scarce. I think I only read a single 3600 review so far. Once the reviews/benches are out, I will check
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>>71847974
>>71848103
>>71848128
He's right

>>71848083
Correct

>>71848104
Trash, check OP builds for a better starting point

>>71848180
>made a thread
Which one?
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>>71848472
Arctic MX4
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Mid or full case for ATX?
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>>71848505
I linked it in another post then an anon pointed out its updated as of july 10th. Any chance of you elaborating on why its trash?
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>>71848465
>skylake-x
absolute no. if you're doing virtualization get 3900x (3950x soon) or TR
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>>71848457
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input%E2%80%93output_memory_management_unit
This is the basic functionality that allows me to do what I want, what I'm wondering is how I'm supposed to find out how motherboards physically support this for all of the slots and peripherals.
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So why did AMD recommend 3200CL14 and 3600CL16 for Zen 2 when in reality memory makes very little difference now?
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>>71848520
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>>71848520

the fractal meshify c
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>>71848543
that's a big tower
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>>71848509
if its not electrically conductive you'll be fine. just put on enough that it resembles a large-sized pea in the center, the cooler should spread it out enough for you.
if you want to check and have enough for two applications, apply once, mount cooler, take cooler off and see how it spread. clean and adjust from there.
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>>71848505
Ramlet
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>>71848567
Got it, thanks man.
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>>71848174
>>71848160
There's a Home Server general that pops up from time to time, it always dies because it's a super niche subject and the retards put a discord link in the OP. I want to do similar with the VM autism, especially if I ever needed to move to Win10, but that might be beyond my patience for tweaking settings.

There was some weirdo at one point that boasted about a hefty gaming server in the basement of their house, wired it with 10gigabit, and had connections to hubs at each tv and they would play PC games wherever they wanted, while someone else could play whatever on a different TV.

Anyway, my only knowledge is making sure the motherboard/cpu you get are compatible with ECC RAM, most consumer grade components are not. I don't know enough about the significance of Buffered/Registerd RAM.

>>71848410
You want directed flow. Controlled supply in, controlled exhaust out. But the main problem with ATX design standards is the position of the GPU tends to allow it to bake in its own heat, since it only exhausts heat to its sides, and the back is blocking the main path to the case exhaust. But flipping the side of the pcb everything is on would fuck up itx and cpu clearance.

Also, the side panel keeps pets and critters from exploring the insides of your case freely.
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>>71848128
You lost the genetic lottery, you mong.
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>>71848538
It does make a difference >>71848505 doesn't know what he's talking about.
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>>71848612
At least I'm not poor :^)
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>>71848608
>>71848410
This

Roaches and Spiders loves to fuck with new tech
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>>71847957
/G/oys do I need extra juice(power) to run an 1050 Ti strix or the pci-e power is enough?
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>>71848645
>1050 ti strix
why
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>>71847957
Bitcion is peaked right now.

I have ~$500 in there. Not sure which to upgrade from newegg.

Got Xeon E5-2670 v1 CPU and 1060 3GB GPU.

What's the best upgrade route before buttcoin crashes?
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>>71847957
PowerColor vs Sapphire if money is not a factor?
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>>71848675
sapphire
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>>71848675
Sapphire makes the best AMD cards
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>>71848634
why do turks engage in sexual intercourse with my PCB?
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>>71848666
got it from a deal, I paid like 50 bucks, the guy I bought it from wanted to get in to pc gaming but never had time to do so, I have an rx 580 for my pc, also you know the answer to my question?
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>>71848476
Actually looks a lot like what I want, thanks anon. What are your feelings about the next generation for TR? Wortwhile upgrade, or wait and current gen becomes much cheaper? I'll try and see if they're adding any cool support for hardware virtualization, but the reality is that a lot of this stuff isn't advertised anywhere because people either don't care, or are buying a thousand of whatever the vendor tells them is gonna work.
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>>71848535

TR is terrible single core. and 3900 can't offer 6 cores per PC plus 2 for VM
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>>71847957
Lets get this straight

Blue led is for Cooler temps
Red led is for Higher FPS
Green led is for Quieter builds

But what does the White led do?
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>>71848713
White is the combination of all three. Didn't they teach you color theory in elementary school?
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>>71848531
I haven't checked it recently, but Logical Increments is too focused on the incremental aspect instead of the logical. Most builds are completely pointless, and the few that aren't still mostly have questionable component pairings.

>>71848586
Brainlet
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>>71848713
white led combines all three by making your pc into a small fusion reactor
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Anyone else with Zen2 and X470 having trouble with the suspend function?
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>>71848476
>>71848709
Why is the mATX more expensive than the ATX tho? Any meaningful differece? Should I just go with ATX?
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>>71847977
Am I the only one that got a B450 board with a "Ryzen 3000 ready" sticker ?
Based ASRock I guess.
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>>71848782
smaller formfactor tax
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>>71848697
Its the way they are, you cant change traditions
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>>71848709
>>71848782
Holy fuck I am actual just fucking retarded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOMMU-supporting_hardware

Thanks for following along on my autistic journey, turns out, the real treasure was the wikipedia along the way
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>>71848709
>>71848782
It's more expensive because it's literally your only option for Threadripper if you want something a bit more compact. NO idea what the 3rd gen Threadripper will be able to do. AMD has been pretty silent about it.

>>71848364
>>71848476
If IOMMU is that important to you according to Wikipedia all EPYC CPUs and most of the intel Xeon lineup support it. This will bring you over the 1000USD limit but can easily offer tons of i/o, ram and GPU slots.
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I don't see many people still using the 1600. Is it worth it to buy a 3600 or will it quickly become outdated? I was thinking 1600 and a 2060 Super for 1080 144hz and a 1440p 144hz down the line

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RfYRZR
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>>71848735
I see, well then what Ill do since I need a starting place of some sort is put together a build from there and do research/ask people what I need to improve.
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>>71848134
Anything above 650W is overkill for all current consumer parts, but if you want better efficiency, get Gold/Platinum/Titanium
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>>71848713
>But what does the White led do?
(((replacement))) of your PC by sub standard quality components
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>>71848645
If there are PCIe plugs for the PSU on it, yes you need it
If not no
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>>71848816
NVM this hasn't been updated in forever, still cool tho.
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>>71848838
Like I said, check builds in OP pcpartpicker
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>>71848837
buy the 3600, its the best value/performance cpu at the $200 price range. it'll last for awhile and you can always upgrade later on
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Is the Gigabyte AD271QD’s quality control any good?
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>>71848828
I've looked at EPYC, I don't think I'm going to just straight up build an enterprise solution, mostly because it's not really critical that this actually be all that useful, I'm just doing it because it's cool. I also like the idea of a sort of proto-futuristic tower based home PC solution.
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You can mock it all you want but that ziptied fan is really helping the SoC vrm.
9 min into FurMark and it won't get past 90C. Before, it would reach 105C much sooner.
Actually it may be the cleaned CPU socket that improved it too
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>>71849005
Also fucking ear-rape server fans. This is either gonna be in my living room or my bedroom, and I'm so tired of EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I know I'm going to build a PC but I'm not sure yet what my budget is or how powerful it needs to be, pic related is my steam library though
As a minimum, I want to play Bayo and Vanquish at max settings, 1080p and high framerate, ideally 144fps but no less than 60fps, whereas games like dragon's dogma I'm fine with playing at 60fps
also, this is a /sqt/ tier question, but 60fps doesn't look worse on a 144hz monitor right (I'm almost certain it doesn't but I'd like to make sure)? because I'm likely going to be looking at both and switching between them

I'm thinking I want two monitors, one for gaming, with minimal response time, minimal input lag and 144hz, and then another for watching anime, videos and anything that doesn't require good response times or high framerates with the best possible image quality, probably 60hz. both monitors 1080p
the reason I'm choosing 1080 instead of 1440 is because I heard that 1080 stuff looks worse on 1440 because it doesn't scale right, and it takes more performance, tell me if I'm wrong
I'm going to be using Win7 (Ultimate 64-bit)

I haven't fully decided on anything yet, so I'm trying to just get a good idea of what price and performance I want, if anyone can help I'd appreciate it. only things set in stone right now are win7 and the highest budget I could possibly have being $1,000. no higher than that unless it's a really good deal and the best choice in the long term
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>>71848710
3950x will have better single core than any chip, better multi-core than every skylake-x chip, and will have plenty of threads if you need that. worth the wait for half the price of the sky-x part
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>>71849148
>3950x will have better single core than any chip
How delusional are AMDrones?
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Should I upgrade my 2600x CPU to a 3600x? I built a system ~2 months ago with the following specs: 165hz 1440p monitor, 2600x amd cpu, rtx 2060 gpu

I could sell the 2600x and maybe lose ~$50 in the process, but I don't know if it's worth it. I mainly use this build to play PUBG, and I need an FPS boost somewhere in the order of 20 FPS to maintan a stable 144 FPS.
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Rate and give tips please. Price reductions are for Microcenter.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gpcg8Y
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the ziptied fan gives 10C to 20C temperature gains
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>>71849191
The GPU is the offender here
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>>71848621
So fucking what if it makes a tiny difference in the most CPU bottlenecked of situations? (2080Ti at 720p)
You're a moron for not understanding that 3200CL16 is the sweet spot
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>>71849199
All good. You can get the Inland Premium 1 TB SSD for about $34 more from Microcenter. With that card and Radeon Image Sharpening, you'll probably be able to play on 1440p for a while, but I respect your choice of 1080p.
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is this true
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I was using an air duster to clean out my PC, ended up tilting it by accident and some liquid shit got on my computer. Will it dry off if I wait?
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Where can I buy computer parts from Nigeria?
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>>71849249
For gaming its more like this
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>>71848465
If you're playing anything where you want low-latency, like any kind of competitive FPS, you're going to have minor but existing problems. If you read through this >>71848160 comment thread, what you're trying to do is functionally similar, and much easier. Make sure you get a motherboad that has each PCI slot in a separate IOMMU group (if you want to use hardware passthrough)

Also AMD SR-IOV absolutely shits on anything that Nvidia has to offer, if you care about performace use equipment that's designed to do this instead.
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>>71849238
Would the gain in FPS be minimal if I upgraded to the 3600x? I was trying to avoid upgrading my GPU if possible because it's more difficult to find a buyer, and I have to spend even more money to get a better card.

Should I be rolling with a rtx 2070 at the very least? I saw some benchmarks and even that card seems incapable of keeping a stable 144hz
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>>71848978
>Gigabyte
>any quality control
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>>71849191
>Should I upgrade my 2600x CPU to a 3600x?
nah
wait for zen 3 or 4
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why new AMD apus are 12nm?
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>>71849199
pretty gud
but wait for AIB for GPU
blower is never good
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>>71849243
Will that SSD be good for OS and general use drive? (Movies and such go to external HDD)

I've never played 1440p, so should I go for it or be more conservative and keep the 1080p.

Also, should I buy more fans, I don't even know if that case is good enough.
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>>71849388
bc they're zen+
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>>71849277
ask the local prince
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>>71849005
I mean you are looking at an investment of at least 3500$, starting with something like this except two Radeons and something like a smol GT1030 as the host GPU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kkTFcY

You could do something totally unorthodox and simply get the Supermicro C9Z390-PGW motherboard which - yes I know - is an intel board but it comes with 10G LAN and more importantly a PLX chip which allows you to use two x16 GPUs with for example 9900k which would come with an iGPU as a host GPU. That's a pretty baller setup actually for a not too shabby price. 8 cores and 16 threads and 4 ram slots is not much compared to threadripper though obviously.
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>>71849388
>why new AMD apus are 12nm?
It's cheaper to manufacture. Probably had left over 12nm chips they wanted to get rid of aswell. Should be glad cause they're all top binned CPUs because of this
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>>71849338
>Would the gain in FPS be minimal if I upgraded to the 3600x?
nope or maybe 1-2 fps
the CPU isn't even maxed yet, the GPU is dragging you down
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1285899-REG/evga_220_g2_0650_y1_nex_supernova_650g_gold.html

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-650-g2-220-g2-0650-y1-650w/p/N82E16817438054

These are the exact same PSU? Why is the one on newegg more expensive? I'm confused befor I purchase the PSU.
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>>71849283
>720p
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>>71849388
>>71849408

Because last year they were 14 nm Zen processors. This year they're Zen+ 12nm. Obviously, they're 1 year behind, because the original Ryzen 3 processors, had no integrated graphics, but that was useless to that segment of the market, because if they were TOO POOR to buy a powerful processor then it would be OBVIOUS to anybody they'd be too poor to afford a proper dGPU or GPU of any kind. As such the only Ryzen 3 processor are now [a single] APU.

>>71849407
Yeah, it's like 4 times faster than a SSD from Crucial/Samsung. Buying more fans is cheaper than getting a new case.
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>>71849435
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>>71847977
well it posted first try but restarted and debug led is now solid red
based msi and based amd. returning this crap and buying intel tomorrow
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>>71849443
I don't have a previous case I'm starting from scratch, which case and fan pack for it would you recommend?
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>>71849191
>PUBG, and I need an FPS boost somewhere in the order of 20 FPS to maintan a stable 144 FPS.
I play pubg on 1600x and get stable 144fps. It's either your shit gpu or drive. pubg is literally unplayable on hdds
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>>71848036
Buy Intel
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>>71849490
Your case is as is fine and has excellent airflow. If you need to, slap on some 120 mm case fans from Noctua, and you'll be just fine, although they'll probably be redundant.
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>>71849477
That chart is inaccurate, World War Z was already patched for Zen 2.
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>>71849191
Turn down settings
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>>71849572
Why don't you go ahead and prove it by posting an updated benchmark?
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>>71849500
What GPU are you using, though? Also, I suppose performance varies depending on the map, on Vikendi I have a shitton of frame drops, in Sanhok it runs pretty well above 140 FPS, etc

All my specs:
2600x CPU
16GB 3200mhz ddr4 ram
b450m-ds3h motherboard
RTX 2060
512GB nvme disk

PUBG settings:
2560x1440 res
everything on low except for textures
sharpening on
fullscreen

OS:
Win10 LTSC with all its shit locked down tight


>>71849426
Got it, I think I'll try to sell my GPU.
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rainbow six siege 1080p
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why did manufacturers decide freesync monitors should be 75Hz
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>>71849659
i don't know, i'm not a manufacturer.
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so help me out here
is amd sharpening not just readily avaliable anyway, but better that dlss?
i cant find anything but that one guy's comparison. i thought GN would have something but alas, they dont even mention it with 5700 review

>>71849659
75hz and 60 hz are literally cents apart, so why make 60 hz if they can charge you 20 usd for what is essentially a ~29 cent upgrade?
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>>71849631
>>71849617
>>71849656

If you're so poor that you have to buy a 2200g, you would then have to be retarded to buy a dGPU. The APUs are for the bottom segment of the market.
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>>71849594
vega 56 and I play in 1080p, what's even the point of 1440p in pubg
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>>71849695
there are tons of pc shops out there selling oem pcs with pentium dual core + gt1030.
also, i have a 2200g and plan on buying a rx580 sometime in next year.
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Are the prices for Ryzen 3000/rtx super expected to go down a couple months after release? If so, by how much? I'm trying to figure if I should pull the trigger now or wait a bit more.
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Thanks for nothing to all the people here who told me yesterday I couldn't flash the b450 tomahawk bios for zen 2 without an older gen cpu, you literally can from a flash drive.
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>>71848305
>>71848319
Not it's not
It's not even special you just have an old impractical case
You don't even have a dvd drive in it
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>>71849770
Only a retard with tell you that, retard. Did you not know that it had BIOS flashback when you purchased it?
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>>71849794
I didn't purchase it yet, because I was misled into thinking I wouldn't be able to update it. But now i know I can, so I'm gonna get it.
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>>71847957
Talk me out of getting a reference 5700XT and Accelero Xtreme instead of waiting for AIBs
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>>71849726
Maybe the Vega is a lot beefier than my RTX?
>what's even the point of 1440p in pubg
It helps a lot when spotting people on close and long range, I've tried 1080p for a while because of my framerate limitations, and I can assure you that it helps a lot. Specially for slithering snakes and spotting people on distant hills and such.

The only drawback are the FPS drops which really fuck up your aim.
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Which monitor would you guys recommend for 1440p 144hz? Gonna be using a rtx 2060 super and purpose is solely gaming. Only got about 300 - 350 burger bux budget
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>>71849813
it doesn't have a proper bios for zen 2 yet
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1080 144Hz or 1440 60Hz
which one's the real downside in gayming
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>>71849823
>Specially for slithering snakes and spotting people on distant hills and such.
Not gonna lie never had issue with that. I guess like 20 years of playing fps paid off. tbf I'm always the first one in my squad to notice people
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>>71849821
better PCB quality and set up in sapphire nitro+
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>>71849876
1080 144Hz
High refresh rate is more noticeable than higher resolution and actually impacts your gameplay significantly
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>>71849890
wouldn't it cuck me in ARMA 3 to spot niggers laying low in the distance
also what about future proofing? like 5-7 years down the line
i can live with lowered setting if it means retaining better pixel per inch
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>>71849875
Sounds like you're just trying to meaninglessly shit on something considering everything I've read says that I can upgrade the bios to work with the 3000 line of cpus.
inb4
>uh it works but its ackshually not proper blah blah technically
I don't care retard, does it work or not
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>>71849888
>PCB quality
already pretty beefy in the reference card
>set up
not sure what you mean
on top of that an accelero would fuck sideways any out of the box cooler found on Navi
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>>71849908
They're about the same in terms of performance cost, but thanks to adaptive sync you can drop below 144 and not even notice
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>>71849876
Depends on the games you play. Competitive games, fps? Probably want the refresh rate. Single player or casual? Might prefer the resolution.

In regards to >>71849908 if you want to "future proof" get a 1440p 144hz monitor with adaptive sync and lock it to 60 fps/lower resolution to where you can play at higher refresh rate.
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>>71849936
Then he will just feel cucked when he can't run anything at 1440p 144hz
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Is the cooling a big enough issue that I should wait for the after market cards, or should I just bite the bullet and buy the 5700?
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>>71847957
>still no 1.0.0.3AB on msi x570 boards
end me.
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>>71849960
They will run better and cooler, just wait nigga.
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>>71849973
reee I'm impatient. When do they come out?
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>>71849931
>but thanks to adaptive sync you can drop below 144 and not even notice
I don't know how adaptive sync works, but isn't it supposed to introduce noticeable input lag?
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>>71849927
>not sure what you mean
sometime AIB change the layout to optimize temp thus allowing better OC due to higher hardware optimization
also cheaper to have it already with fan if you don't already own the accelero
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>>71849980
no
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>>71849960
Stay away from the reference blower. Just don't, trust me it's not worth it. It's not even about temps or your gpu overheating it's about your hearing. You don't want that fucking jet engine in your room.
t. proud owner of blower vega 56.
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Thanks for memeing me into buying that shitty ass B450 Tomahawk. Too bad it doesn't work.
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>>71849960
only real reason to buy reference is if you already wanted to watercool it

alternatively get a aftermarket heatsink or spend 5 cents on washers to fix the blower heatsink pressure
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>>71849954
For now, but when (if) he upgrades in a year or so he won't have to spend again for a nice monitor
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>>71849979
mid august for sapphire which is the best in AMD gpu
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>>71849578
World War Z had issues, >>71849572 is correct.
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tell me /g/ did you upgraded your intel motherboard with the MDS fixes before selling them?
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>>71850002
Not the board's fault you're incompetent.
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>>71849936
>>71849931
got it thanks
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>>71850002
is it the bios? you have to flash it nigger
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I have a lot of SSDs(5 5tbs and one m.1)
I keep getting USB issues on my PC and it fucks me up during gaming sometimes

I'm getting a 3600x but I also want a x470 , which is the easiest to update , I just want to plug and play if possible if not then what would be best overall and if possible MSI only since I'm jumping from a ryzen 5 1600 with a gaming pro mobo
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>>71849970
My b450 mortar got it already lmao
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>>71849982
>sometime AIB change the layout to optimize temp thus allowing better OC due to higher hardware optimization
again, the reference PCB is fairly decent, I doubt I could get much more from a Nitro+
>also cheaper to have it already with fan if you don't already own the accelero
yeah, but I could mount the accelero to another card a few years down the line
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>>71850020
Kys MSI shill, so many of you on /g/ for some reason.
There's a lot of incompetent people online then. I even tried the shitty beta BIOS that's floating around on MSI's FTP to no avail.
It boots the first time then I restart and it won't work until i flash it again. I'm really happy to finally have tried AMD.
>>71850042
No shit.
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>>71850014
>3 fps increase after patches
Yeah totally makes any difference for that chart >>71849477
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>>71850068
God I wish I was a shill, easiest job ever
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>>71850068
>retard butthurt he can't do something correctly
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>>71850061
>again, the reference PCB is fairly decent, I doubt I could get much more from a Nitro+
up to you pal
afaik the 5700 could really use some hardware optimization cuz it runs very close to max temp
>yeah, but I could mount the accelero to another card a few years down the line
until you realize it's not an improvement/wont cut it vs newer fans thus locking you with a cooler that no one will buy
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>>71850073
>posts shill chart again
See >>71850014 and keep seething.
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>>71849909
I've got a tomahawk and 3600 in the mail. It's a single digit chance you'll boot proper atm. Good luck
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>>71850082
Why are you so adamant in defending MSI then?
Tried again v17->v18 and exactly the same behaviour: boots fine first time until I restart it and then the stupid debug LED lights up and it shows no screen.
>>71850089
Please enlighten me, not even joking.
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>>71850106
>>>>Why are you so adamant in defending MSI then?
>Has posted literally one (1) comment "defending" MSI
k.
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>>71850068
Are you flashing directly to the latest BIOS or the one before it and then to the latest?
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Honestly this BIOS issue is bullshit, if I'm waiting until august to buy the 5700 I may as well just get the x570. who's with me
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>>71850138
First time I flashed directly into the beta BIOS.
Second time I flashed v18.
Third time I flashed v17 into v18.
Then tried like 10 more times combinations of these.
Always the same behavior (first boot works, then debug LED lights up). I give up.
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>>71850146
no idea why people aren't getting an x570
like, a few dollars more for a big upgrade and future proofing
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>>71850181
because muh chipset fan and muh price
the fan is a legit complaint but X570 isn't "OMG SO EXPENSIVE" compared to X470 or even B450
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>>71850181
Cause of the shitty little chipset fan
And "future proofing" is a myth
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>intel: it just werx
>amd: have fun spending 12h troubleshooting for it to not work anyways
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>>71850181
>WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRs in your path
no thank
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>>71850207
>intel: what, you want to use old board? no you have to buy new(new)(tm) socket every time thank you :)
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has anyone considered putting a cpu heatsink on the x570 chipset?
there's no way a fan would be necessary if you did that
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>>71850207
>being able to reuse old boards is bad
the state of the shills
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>>71850228
and where will you put your gpu?
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>>71850181
>future proofing AM4 when only 1 gen left
>future proofing DDR4 slots when DDR5 around the corner
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Recommend me x470 mobo, please. I would buy ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING, but I am not sure.
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>>71850181
>no idea why people aren't getting an x570
>too expensive
>chipset fan
>PCIe 4.0 only useful for NVMe
>Ryzen 3000 runs fine on older boards
Yeah.. really don't know why. Also future proofing is a meme. There's no usage other than more lanes for NVMe SSDs for the near future.
Until DDR5 goes mainstream and we get GPUs that can leverage the potential of PCIe 4.0 it's pointless.
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>>71850254
>only 1 gen left
?
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Is this fine for a 1440p gaming build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brpDD2
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>>71850207
>>71850220
A socket a year keeps the goyim in fear.
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Getting a 3600
Mobo that stood out most to me was
MSI X570-A PRO

Any arguments for a different MOBO? Seems the best bang for my buck off newegg at least.
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I'm buying b450 Tomahawk and 3700x. Would 16 gigs of G.Skill Trident Z F4-3200C15 be good enough? I've heard they have Samsung's b-die which allows easy OCs all the way to 3800-4000 no probs.
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>>71850253
in either the first, second, or third slot depending on your motherboard
the heatsink should only block one of them on most boards I would think
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>>71850282
Doesn't say anything about the actual platform on that slide though?
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>>71850283
TCSunbow X3 > GX2
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>>71850282
zen4 will not be on am4
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>>71849089
please respond
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c9nXTB

I just wanna play cs go at 144hz, is this any good?
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>>71850299
Save on mobo and buy better CPU. Having 12C/24T CPU that's binned better is a much better future proofing that having some gaymer $200 PCI-E 4.0 mobo
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>>71850097
>shill chart
lmao can you cope harder?
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Is 4k a meme or is it the best future proof investment rn?
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>>71847957
based msi adding ryzen 9 support to a320 motherboards
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>>71849089
>>71850338
>pic related is my steam library though
Absolutely no idea about thos games.. my gues is it's all unoptimized garbage.

>60fps doesn't look worse on a 144hz monitor
That's what Goysync and Freesync are for.

>1080 instead of 1440
I went from 1080p 60Hz TN to 1440p 144Hz AHVA (IPS) and I'd make this decision any day again.

>I'm going to be using Win7
Not officially supported by modern CPUs, you'll need to use an unofficial workaround but there are guides for this.

>$1000
Is this for everything including monitors?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GPYf6s

yay or nay?
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>>71850359
>reposting the same shill chart over and over again
>when all other benchmarks prove it wrong
>get confronted with it
>no argument
Absolute state of Intcel shills.
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>>71848013
>UPS
YGWYPF
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rumors say amd wants to prevent b450 compatibility with new ryzen batch
>>71850110
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>>71850443
>>when all other benchmarks prove it wrong
No other benchmarks prove it wrong. They all conclusively show that 9900k is much better in games. Keep shilling and calling others shills.
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>>71850354
That doesn't tell me anything? Are you saying to waste money on the X just for higher base clock? I don't see a better bang for my buck board that isn't going to be an expensive paperweight without some rando to let me do a BIOS update.
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>>71850093
>afaik the 5700 could really use some hardware optimization cuz it runs very close to max temp
which is precisely why I'm thinking of getting the accelero?
>until you realize it's not an improvement/wont cut it vs newer fans thus locking you with a cooler that no one will buy
yeah, pretty sure that's bullshit. xtreme has been around since HD2000 days
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>>71850345
How do you manage to spend so much with so little to show for it?
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>>71850441
ram is overpriced and bad, you cant run 15 timings
either upgrade to 3200c14 or just buy 3200c16

don't waste money on watercooling, use the stock heatsink
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>>71850404
many AB320 mobos are choking with 3900x
theres no fix to it, because the 12 core beast is drawing more power that the mobo can provide. so you either underclock or accept the fact your rig might eventually blue smoke
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>>71850445
>rumors
concern shill or real?
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anything on any AMD GPU that will do dedicated raytracing?
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>>71850481
>much better
At 720p maybe, keep shilling, retard. At 1440p and 4k margins are zero to none.
Don't believe me? No problem, you got the internet.
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>>71850515
Next year
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>>71850484
I'm saying that you should spend $90 less on a premium b450 board and spend $120 more on a 8c/16t cpu like 3700x.
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>>71850508
Desperate concern shilling. Faggot OP didn't provide a link. Intelaviv is grasping at straws.
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which motherboard do I get for a 3700X with maybe a ~100W TDP CPU down the line
I don't plan to overclock more than a slight power limit bump
Also it needs to be full ATX
I was looking at X470 Gaming Plus but i got burned on MSI before
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>>71850529
>At 720p maybe, keep shilling, retard.
That chart with all the benchmarks was done in 1080p which you would've realized if you bothered reading it or didn't try to shill like a retard.
>At 1440p and 4k margins are zero to none. Don't believe me? No problem, you got the internet.
Exactly.
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>>71850501
I can get that ram for $50 less in my country. I've heard Ryzen doesn't have issues with odd timings since a bios update few months ago.
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>>71850534
sad if true
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>>71850554
Remember boys, at 1440p and 4k margins are zero to none.
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>>71850541
I'd say you should just buy the 3600 and spend what you saved on a better GPU.
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>>71850542
yeah seems odd that amd start taking the jew path this soon when they still haven't overtaken intel
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>>71850501
>Stock heatsink
What a jew. Like, yeah, he is a brainlet for the watercool meme, but you are a moron if you go stock heatsink.
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>>71850572
They're probably gonna release it along with/right before the new consoles that use the hardware
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>>71850489
He is a CSGO player.
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>>71850554
>a $500 CPU is entire 8% faster than another CPU half the price
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>>71850573
That's a scheduling issue, notice the SMT disabled 3900X close to the top.
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>>71850584
>Haven't overtaken Intel
This is the most fucking loaded statement ever. You intel fanboys are such idiots.
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>>71850607
>That's a scheduling issue
Which 9900k also suffers from.
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>>71850577
I've already got a 1070. My mobo died a month or so ago thus I'm finally replacing the 2500k. I don't have a Ryzen 1 or 2 to do any bios update with.
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>>71850554
>if you bothered reading it
Funny you say that after you completely ignored the chart that btfod you, shill.
>posting one game
Never change.

>>71850573
>10fps average difference
>3900X has better 1% low
You just btfod yourself, retard.
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>>71850605
SEETHING.
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>>71850586
Wouldn't be suprised if the stock cooler turned out to be quieter than H60.
It's not 2006 anymore, anon. Stock AMD coolers are actually pretty decent now.
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>>71850319
Looks dubious and slow
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>>71850622
Doesn't matter. Loads of MSI and ASUS mobos including b450 have bios flashback option which allows you to update bios without plugging in memory or CPU.
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>>71850621
It clearly doesn't when it beats the 9700K in the same chart at the same clock.
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>>71850584
>haven't overtaken
Imagine being this delusional. Also provide a link you faggot.
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>>71850624
>you completely ignored the chart that btfod you
Haven't seen such chart in this thread. Point me to it?
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>>71850614
i literally switched from intel+nvidia to amd+radeon m8
only thing is i did it because of bang for bucks and not fanboyism
you have to be retarded to think that blindly sticking to a brand will reward you in GBP from your favorite CEO
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>>71850639
So you're implying that the way to determine if a CPU is suffering from scheduling issue is by checking if it beats another CPU?
Lmao, the people in this general.
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>>71850631
>Quieter
Who said he even wanted quiet? Most people buy a non-stock sink for better cooling, not quieter cooling.
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Is the refresh rate that matters vertical or horizontal.
I know 144hz is buttery smooth but how are 90hz model 1440p monitors. a27 inch I had my eye just went on sale.
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>>71850647
>>71850014
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>>71847957
The GPUs are divided along the lines of monitor resolutions, but not CPUs. Does that mean that CPUs have no big significance when it comes to 1080p vs 4k gaming?
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>>71850706
I fail to see how this chart "btfos me". Care to explain?
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>>71850505
yeah, some a320 only have a single 4pin cpu power, that a320 has 8pin power though.
And all the mobo reviews say that ryzen wont actually use both 8pin cpu power at the same time.
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>>71850690
why not get both with noctua
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>>71850682
I meant in that game the i9 doesn't seem to have scheduling issues. Get your reading comprehension checked, nigger.
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>>71850716
>playing stupid
A jew shill using jew games, imagine my shock.
Performance difference is not 16% like like your shill chart says, it's 9-10%, frame times less and that's just 1080p.
1440p and 4k are much closer, even equal. Go look it up.
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>>71850730
issue is mosfets that simply trhottle when the cpu demmands it
i have only found a utub video of it for the 3900x on a AB320 so likely the other ryzen will be fine
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>>71850715
CPU has more impact wrt framerate than resolution, so it's kind of backwards
a given gpu will push significantly more frames at a lower res, so lower res can CPU bottleneck more easily than higher
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>>71850755
Scheduling issues stem from the OS, not from the game.
>>71850759
So I post a chart that shows a 16% difference on average.
You post a chart that shows a 10% difference on average.
Somehow you think because of the chart you posted, it btfos me.
It really feels like I'm in a mental asylum of some sort.
>1440p and 4k are much closer, even equal.
No shit fucking retarded nigger, higher resolutions are bottlenecked by the GPU. Launch a 64K benchmark and see what happens, every CPU in existence shows the same performance.
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>>71848065
Stop with this fucking retardation and go back to school
Airflow inside a cramped case is miles better than no airflow at all. You can have the messiest cable management and you'll still have airflow where it matters as long as you have at least one fan pushing air through. The only time a cramped or messy interior can hurt temperatures is if you have no fan or if it completely obstructs airflow. And by that, it must be a fucking wall that prevents air from moving near the heated area.
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>>71850780
can you give a link of that video? cant find anything
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ESXi 6.5 and 6.7 PSODs on Ryzen 7 3800X
Anyone knows if the latest updates fixes this? Or should I go back to using my 2700X?
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>>71850802
You such a stupid fucking nigger. RMA yourself.
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>>71850429
>my gues is it's all unoptimized garbage
not really, the most demanding ones are probably bayonetta and dragon's dogma. mostly nipponese games and western indie/old games. don't insult my taste in games alright? I just don't like modern AAA shit and I'm not a huge grafix whore
>free/gsync
ah, I forgot to consider that but I knew about it. and I figured 60 on a 144 looked fine but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some weird thing where it didn't quite scale right
>I'd make this decision any day again
because of the 144hz or 1440p? in my idea for two monitors (one for response time and refresh rate and one for image quality) the 1080p would be better for the gaming one because better performance and it would be better for the one for other one because 1080p doesn't scale well to 1440p. I haven't experienced 1440p, but I know that I'm fine with 1080p and because it's the current standard it seems smart to me for the better performance. as I said not really a huge grafix whore, even though I do enjoy them sometimes
>Win7 not supported by modern CPUs
right and the reason I mentioned it is because I want to filter out anything that doesn't support it, no workarounds or win10. I know it sounds stubborn but I can't imagine I'm getting a really modern CPU anyways
>$1000, is this for everything
yeah, I'm likely going to need new peripherals as well, but I probably won't get hardcore gaymin shit, I'd rather prioritize function

forgot to mention no RGB shit, I don't want any lights at all
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should i gayme on a monitor or a tv screen?
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>>71850802
>n-no y-you are insane
The. Absolute. State.
It btfos your shill chart that does not match any other 1080p benchmarks, compare them yourself.
>2080Ti bottlenecks 1440p
Who is the retarded nigger?

Keep shilling, Moshe.
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>>71850816
i think its this one
ab350 with 3900x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRaZ2Txv13M

the vrm trhottles the cpu
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>>71848551
for you
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>>71850836
>1080p doesn't scale well to 1440p
I'm curious as to where did you heard that
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>>71850853
>It btfos your shill chart
You can keep repeating the same bullshit over and over but it won't make it true. The chart you posted is in line with the overall conclusion that intel is much better in games than ryzen.
>2080Ti bottlenecks 1440p
Of course it doesn't, that's why at 1440p you can still see that intel is much better:
>>71850573
>>71850554
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>>71850321
Neither will Zen 3
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>>71850622
>>71850636
MSI just announced the B450 Tomahawk MAX, get that.
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>>71850849
i'd get a monitor
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>>71850879
Further proof that AMD is no less of a greedy company than Intel
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>>71850875
Do you have such charts but with <$500 video cards? I doubt anyone on /g/ has a 2080ti.
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Samsung C27JG56: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R82333S
or Dell S2719DGF
https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/2ido
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>>71850879
zen3 is either am4 or am4+
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>>71850875
>intel is much better
>shill keeps repeating it
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>>71850874
yeah and I want to clarify that I just heard that and since I haven't seen it myself I can't confirm it
I don't remember though, probably /g/, it might have been /v/ desu, there were a few anons saying that they watch shit in 720p because it scales better, might have been falseflaggers for all I know (fuck this place)
regardless, I just think 1080p would be better for my uses. for gaming I'll get better performance and higher framerates, and for other things, well literally every anime and movie I've downloaded is in 1080p
I don't doubt 1440p looking better or even that it would scale well, I just don't think I'll get enough benefit from it for the cost
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>>71850884
aight
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>>71850911
The relative performance stays the same, they just use the best possible GPU to remove the bottleneck effect.
>>71850942
>shill keeps repeating it
That's the conclusion from all the benchmarkers.
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the ryzen 2600 is only £113 on amazon right now if anyone's interested.
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>>71848713
>Green led is for Quieter builds

No that's eco mode. Your PC burns less fossil fuels
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>>71849191
yes you do need to upgrade your two month old cpu
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my mobo has a voltage for soc idle and soc when the i-gpu is stressed, but it rarely drops down from the latter.
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>>71850904
What means "evil". Companies just don't give a shit really and want to maximize their profit. AMD knows they'll gain market share so no real reason to be this customer friendly if they have the performance to beat Intel.
>>71850930
AM4+ seems most likely because it's still 7nm
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>>71850954
I don't care about how CPUs perform with 2080ti because I will never have.
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>>71850944
They were probably speaking of videos that were upscaled to 1080p whose native resolution was 720p. There's no issues with your monitor's resolution being 1440p, but you do you anon.
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>>71850955
here in brazil they still dont go for less than 228 usd
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>>71850942
>1440p for CPU
What for?
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>>71850990
Their performance stays the same with all GPUs. You don't need to bench every possible CPU + GPU combination to know their relative performance.
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>>71850954
>last gen 2700X within ONE (1) fps of 9900K
>much better
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>71850955
is it really worth it instead of getting a 3600x or a 3400g for the better single core for games
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>>71850993
order from USA
>inb4 afraid that postman from huezil will steal it from you
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>>71851011
cpu doesnt matter until it becomes a bootleneck or causes stuttering
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>>71851013
Buddy, are you retarded? I posted this chart for the other guy who asked if I had other charts with less expensive GPUs. Obviously the gtx 1080 is acting as a bottleneck here. Why the fuck do I even have to explain this on this board? Is this even /g/?
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>>71851011
What do you mean "the same"? Post the charts.
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>>71851027
import taxes and shipping makes the end price to be the same
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>>71850976
everything is overvolted and your stuff will cook anyway
so read up on guides to OC g processors and remember warranty doesnt cover silicon bacon

>>71851027
brazil pays ~110% import tax over luxury electronics
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>>71851044
same here in france got it for same price amazon+tax+shipping than local retailers
>>71851045
>~110% import tax over luxury electronics
no way
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>>71850855
how do this people find the vrm configuration, I cant find anything on the mobo guide or the support page.
I wont risk this mobo with a ryzen 9 since it has no heatsinks whatsoever, probably the 3700
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>>71851038
>so much better
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>>71851071
Yup.
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>>71850992
thanks anon, anyways I'm still trying to figure out my price and performance range
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I have a 1600X on a X370 Taichi and I need to build a second PC.
I'm upgrading to a 3700X on the Taichi because I have no use for X570 features and I'm going to use the 1600X for the 2nd PC.
What low/mid-range motherboard would you guys recommend for my 1600X?
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>>71850946
To elaborate on what the other guy said, tvs are, for the most part, best for if you are sitting back from them, especially if you are one of the curved ones. Not ideal for a desktop setting where you are closer. Also, there is often more game-related tweaks you can do with monitors.
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>>71851087
>SO MUCH BETTER
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>>71851087
Man I really don't want to lose those 5 fps!
I much prefer a huge downgrade in performance in all other applications and more expensive CPU.
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>>71851058
let me try it for you, is amazon okay?
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>>71851108
That's the majority's conclusion.
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>>71850875
>much better
Truly, how will I ever live without my extra 7% average at 720p?
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>>71851116
>a huge downgrade in performance in all other applications
Which ones, specifically?
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>>71851146
Why are you talking about 7% at 720p when you're replying to a chart that shows up to 10% at 1440p?
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>>71851121
>paying double
i pity you guys
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>>71851163
How will I ever live without my 2% extra at 1440p? I sure hope those evil hackers don't assrape the 9900K again, if Intel releases any more patches they'll take my 2% away...
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>>71851100
gotcha
thanks
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>>71851186
That's the average. Don't cry when it turns out the game you play a lot has a 10% difference.
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>>71850690
no need for better cooling if you're not planning to overclock
which you shouldn't because it's not worth it, Zen still doesn't clock for shit
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>>71851154
>posting pozzed reviews
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>>71851201
>implying I play games at 1080p
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>>71851242
Really feels like talking to a wall.
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>>71851141
>sO mUCh BeTtEr
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>>71851201
But I don't play in 1080p.
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>>71851249
It does? I suppose you'd know what that's like.
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SO YOU WANT TO KNOW IF A PSU WILL BE ENOUGH FOR YOUR BUILD
SEARCH REVIEWS FOR THE MAX POWER CONSUMPTION OF YOUR DESIRED CPU(overclocked if you plan to do it)
SAME FOR THE VIDEO CARD
SUM THEM UP
SLAP 100W MORE
THAT'S ALL YOU DON'T NEED MORE
BUT BE SURE TO BUY A REAL GOOD PSU THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE SPECIFIED WATTS(check reviews, Japanese capacitors are preferred)
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>>71851264
Since it's $50 cheaper and offers better performance then yeah, much better.
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>>71851264
wow 2 more fps, with worse lows, thanks intel
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>>71851154
>Which ones, specifically?
Streaming for example.
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>>71851301
No, not really >>71851154
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>>71851283
>he has to buy an expensive top of the line Z390 board
>he has to buy a top of the line AIO to not melt the core
>for FOUR (4) seconds
kek
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>>71851313
>my benchmark > your benchmark
Grow up.
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>>71851020
the 3600x is over double the price of that, and the 3400g is only 4c/8t and isn't based on zen2 anyway.
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>>71851313
>NOOOOO THIS CANNOT BE TRUE
C O P E
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>>71851339
>he has to buy an expensive top of the line Z390 board
Incorrect, a $150 mobo is more than sufficient. I don't know if you can get away with having a $150 mobo with corresponding quality VRM on zen 2 though.
>he has to buy a top of the line AIO to not melt the core
Nope.
>>71851342
I thought you were the one doing that?
>>71851358
Nah, I'm very happy with the fact that my side of the argument is backed up by much more conclusive evidence than some cherry picked benchmarks from single person.
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5700 rtx or waitfag navi 20?
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>>71850508
i hope the rumors are not real. my concern is real because i want to buy a 3600 or 3700X with b450 gaming pro carbon ac.

>>71850542
link has been provided, nigger.
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>>71851378
>$150 Z390
Yeah enjoy housefire and no boost.
Asus X570 cheapest mobo is literally enough for the 3950X.

>some cherry picked benchmarks from single person
See >>71851342 and keep seething you shill.
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>>71851378
>I don't know if you can get away with having a $150 mobo with corresponding quality VRM on zen 2 though.
Zen2 CPUs don't need advanced VRMs because they're not housefires.
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>>71851485
kek at pic
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>>71851154
>Which ones, specifically?
Check these 2 pages:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/9

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/10

In every SINGLE benchmark, the 3700X wipes the floor with the 9700K, even beating the 9900K in many of them.
And those are not small 5-fps-tier differences. Those are massive differences for a cheaper CPU.
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>>71851358
Wait, excuse me? 3900X and 3700X have BETTER 99th %ile results when streaming? That makes no sense, so with extra load the game runs smoother?
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>>71851045
>everything is overvolted and your stuff will cook anyway
>so read up on guides to OC g processors and remember warranty doesnt cover silicon bacon
no retard
cpu is at -138mv undervolt
ram is 1.4~1.41v which is usual and safe
only the igpu/soc is at a constant 1.25
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What's with all this streaming talk??????? Is everybody a retard streaming his Minecraft gameplay for 8yo kids or what????
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Best brand to get the 2060 super?
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Case: Cougar Case QBX
PSU: Antec PSU 650W Neo Eco Modular 80+
CPU: Ryzen 7 3700x
Mobo: Asus TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
GPU: Palit RTX 2070 Dual
HDD: Seagate HDD 3.0tb 64mb SATA3
SSD: Transcend 220S TS1TMTE220S 525

RAM:
CMK16GX4M2E3200C16
or
CMK16GX4M2D3600C18

both are somewhat evenly priced trying to find the best bang for buck
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>>71851917
Ideally you'd want 3200MHz CL14 or 3600MHz CL16
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>>71851939
Damn it, the only cl14 RAM stick I found are G.skill Trident Z RGB shit and they're like super expensive. Can't the 3600MHz RAM stick variant be underclocked to achieve lower timings?
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>>71852031
It probably can, but I don't know what it can get in practice. I've been researching this shit too and have also run into shitloads of issues with availability or ridiculous pricing on kits which seem to have good specs.
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Anyone has the site with the tier list of the VRM of all the AM4 motherboards?
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>>71852158
www.google.com

search what you typed, retard
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>>71852158
I'll tell you if you tell me who's the cutie.



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