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Why do some of you go so far out of your ways to keep your anonymity? I understand not wanting your privacy invaded, I do, and you're not going to like what I ask next but: If you have nothing to hide, why bother? Why do you use weird operating systems? Why do you use a certain browser? Why do you use a VPN? Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal? I can understand using a non mainstream search engine, so you can see actual unfiltered results, but still.

Why does it matter if google and amazon tailor make the ads you see?
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>>71400524
Would you want your mom to see your porn browsing history? What about your boss? Your girlfriend? What if someone who hates you could see all your interests, likes, dislikes, relationships, all your moments of weakness?

Is there any secret at all that you want to keep from anyone on the planet? If so, you are on our side.
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I don't want anyone to know anything about me, if they don't need to.
Why should someone know how much money I have? Why should someone know where I am at which time of a day? Why should someone know what Movies or TV shows I like?

The thing is, that you can do a lot of stuff with data like this, maybe more than you think at this point.
If you criticize your government, and they think you know too much, it's a lot easier to make you silent when they know everything about you.
But you don't need to go this far - if someone can see where you are at which time, they can easily break into your flat and rob you, without the risk if you seeing them.

People just don't need to know, and that includes any internet service I use, my government, and everyone else.
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>>71400524
Remember when you could get drunk and tell your friend an off-color joke without getting fired and blacklisted? Now there are hordes of people patrolling social media at all times of the day just to get people fired for saying or doing something that they don't like. I'm not worried about what will happen to my data today, but I can see the writing on the wall and don't want to wait to find out what happens to it tomorrow.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid and nothing will happen, but in that case what have I lost?
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>>71400524
Saying, "I have nothing to hide." is much like saying, "I have nothing to say." Look at China geeting ready to round up and throw all the dissidents in a concentration camp. What do you think western countries will be like in 50 years? Even now, if you think trannies and homos are sick then you already get doxxed and fired from your job. We need anonymity more than ever. Honk honk f a g g o t s.
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>>71400524
why should someone profit by selling the evidence of my activity online and elsewhere?
etc
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>>71400524
>Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal?
But it is.
I do illegal things all the time, such as pirating anime and saving loli porn.
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>>71400524
b8

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
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>>71400602
back to your containment board
>>>/pol/
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Why should I care about Freedom of Speech when I have nothing to say?
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>>71400633
Not him, but what's your argument?
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>>71400524
Do you poop with the door open with guests over? Why not?
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>>71400680
Not OP but yes, I do.
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I don't want to be fucked over (potentially) in the future because I said mean things on the internet. I long for the days where there was no 2FA on everything and posting anonymity was the norm.
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>>71400701
Why bother having a door at all?
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>>71400524
Never give out your name/address to anything other than to tie it to physical needs. Even when you get it for shipping, use pseudo names.

Never have social networking account. Never use social networks. Never use the same username twice. Never tie the username to your name/location/age. Public emails should never have your name, business related emails should only have initials and something occupation/work related wording.

This kills 99.9% of the privacy issues bourne from internet. The other 0.1% is up to the use of specific VPN for downloading potentially contested torrents.
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>>71400608
What's loli porn
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>>71400558
But this shit analogy is with someone you know.
I have no problem giving out porn fetishes to a random man from the streets.
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>>71400728
I mean lewd drawings of lolis
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>>71400558
>Your girlfriend?
I wouldn't mind
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>>71400524
>Why does it matter if google and amazon tailor make the ads you see?
I don't see ads though
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>>71400736
>I have no problem giving out porn fetishes to a random man from the streets, who for all I know could then give that information to everyone I know
Ok, solid plan. You go do that, and I'm going to keep my private information private.
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>>71400524
>>Why does it matter if google and amazon tailor make the ads you see?
Why is it acceptable for them to show ads to me at all? Ads are companies trying to distract you from what you're doing and then, once they have your attention, deceive you into spending money that you otherwise wouldn't. Advertisers are out to scam you. Why would I let them spy on me to make their fraud more effective?
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>>71400604
Cause you use their services then they should get something in return?
Do I have to explain to a retard how goods and services work?
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>>71400736
>I have no problem giving out porn fetishes to a random man from the streets.
You got a lot of other problems then, mate.
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>>71400744

Does it give you an erection?

As an alpha male I sometimes struggle to comprehend how some of you idiots resort to trivial shit like hentai to stimulate the l pleasure centers of your little brains.
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>>71400781
By having me read your post, you've agreed to pay me $400 per character to compensate me for my time. Please delete your post and refrain from posting again if you would like to opt out.
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>>71400776
More like I couldn't care less what he does with that information and you shouldn't either.
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Fake flight booking websites
http://holidaypackagesdeal.com/
Jetliney.com
https://www.edreamsflight.com/

Contact number of the boss-88264 57809
Hr contact - 9773796623
They make many websites that keep on getting suspended
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>>71400822
Great news, I don't care about your opinion so you shouldn't either. Weird how you're not allowed to care about your own opinions anymore after my rock-solid argument, huh?
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I gave up on online anonymity over a decade ago. It takes ten seconds to find my real name and where I work on Google using the username I use everywhere, and vice versa. It's not that I don't have anything to hide, I just don't give a fuck anymore. What happens, happens.
I don't recommend that everyone does this.
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>>71400810
>Does it give you an erection?
Yes. A diamond one.
Now fuck off, idiot newfag. This isn't the website for you.
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>>71400851
It's not like you have a choice anymore, anyway. Trying to go anonymous after getting in the system is like trying to put all the toothpaste you've ever used back in its tube.
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>>71400842
should is a complex word. I'll let you figure it out
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>>71400829
Whats that?
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>>71400822
You seem to miss the point, it's not about giving out your information anymore, it's about you being a weirdo. If you're just being autistic for the sake of it, you're sure on the right board, but this discussion will lead to nowhere for you.
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>>71400887
Oh wow, you actually didn't understand a single word I typed, did you? Unsurprising that you had to ask me to do the thinking for you. Here, let me spell this out real slow-like so you can keep up. Ready?
Because... I... say... you... (Still with me, champ?) shouldn't... isn't... (Almost there, you can do it!) an... argument (Great job, you made it to the end! Now put it all together)
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>>71400866
Yeah, the intention is kinda noble in a way, but you know it's a losing battle.
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>>71400855

You should be hospitalized for your own good and the people around you.

Dumbass son of a cheap harlot! Man up!
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>>71400524
it is the power to manipulate that concerns me.
to monopolize information.
abuse to stay in power and kill.
profiles, blacklisting, gatekeeping, harassement, identity theft, rumors that are false, out of context or spins.

absent scenarios. you have no idea of.
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>>71400944
>not enjoying some good loli
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>>71400995
I like how the slide to unlock go across the panties
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>>71400995
>iOS
the wallpaper isn't the problem you absolute faggot
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>>71400995
imagine being stupid enough to look at cp on an apple device. you're fucked
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>>71400995
projection and ignorance.
think that they are right and other people are sick in the head. knife omg he about to stab others. gun omg he about to shoot em up. loli omg he pedo. anime omg he jerks or wants to objectify women. video games are reason for violence. i am about to scam this guy omg others are sick and try to scam.

marketing/news/events are manipulation. super hero movies ignore non violent solutions. everyone makes mistakes when it becomes malicious you should not never trust them anymore. make them wither. use scientific method. decentralize information/power. dont fight among each other find the pupeteer.
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>>71400524
>nothing to hide nothing to fear
nice bait, but I'll answer.
>Windows is the only sane OS
Windows is a piece of crap to do certain things on, like actually working. Unless you are still in school or have some basedboy job like excel monkey, Windows is a turd.
>just use Chrome, goy
Firefox waa better already, looking at W3C. Now they have the advantage of ad-block. Even Chromium forks still have them, so fuck Chrome/ium.
>VPNs are for criminals
only point where legality is a good point. In some countries, it's illegal to even copy files, and bittorrent clients also share them for you automatically. If detected automatically, you could even get a fine for torrenting Ubuntu or sonething stupid.
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>>71401072
>shouldnt never
double negative sorry made a mistake meant negative not positive. stop trusting by who cried wolf.
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>>71401065
There's no CP in that image
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>>71401065
>loli
>cp
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>>71400524
Wanting privacy sounds like a basic fucking need. Feel free to prove it wrong and post your search history here. And basically all of your data you give out online. Shit, let's make it easy mode: Feel free to skip on financial info.

It's not like you mind who knows how many Amazon and Google employees know, to say nothing about their business partners and in case of leaks or hacks, everyone else who is interested.
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>>71400939
You need a bit more time to understand that word. Don't worry champ, I believe in you. But if you must; I said shouldn't like a mother says shouldn't. Just cause you shouldn't doesn't mean you can't be retarded all you want. Go for it, rebel the system.
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>>71401065
Their bottom line depends on being seen as pro privacy. And a company caring about their bottom line is the most reliable thing in the world.
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>>71401104
>how many Amazon and Google employees know
to be fair, from what I know of the industry the individual employees are too busy being overworked to care about looking at people's data
it's just lots of numbers that if you poke in the right way increase revenue by 0.01%
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>>71401128
Aren't the bottom tier guys who work for contractors the overworked ones? Besides sure, generally they wouldn't care even if there was nothing to do but who knows how many people could look into it if they wanted to just in the very best case scenario.

>it's just lots of numbers that if you poke in the right way increase revenue by 0.01%
Yeah, obviously. I'm not some tinfoil sperg about privacy; but IMO it's pretty given that it also kinda feels icky, hence minimising the footprint sounds only logical unless it goes all the way out to a point that massively impacts your comfort; which would only make sense for journalists and political activists.
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>>71401170
comfort? inviduals are too ignorant to see the abuse. finite resources wasted. bullshit jobs. world problems just to make that 5% profit increase.
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>>71401235
>finite resources wasted. bullshit jobs. world problems just to make that 5% profit increase.
Welcome to capitalism. Not the most relevant topic given how data mining would be of interest for any system; and is generally a great idea, when done with some anonymising steps in between to focus on the data instead of tying it to individuals.
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>>71401256
the problem is that anonymizing doesn't work. As long as there exist any non-anonymous datasets you can correlate between them to de-anonymize people very efficiently. If you fuzz the data enough to make that not work, you also destroy your ability to make accurate conclusions from it.
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>>71400524
I go out of my way to keep my privacy because they go out of their way to invade it.

If they just kept it to light skimming no one would've given a shit but they want to harvest as much data as they can from everywhere possible.
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>>71401256
to manipulate people at the invidual level
to control thinking
to convince not slavery
to convince american dream
to convince problems dont exist
to convince rich deserve power
to undermine opposition
to make things dissapear
to sell anything
to give choice between bad and bad. Hide the better and say thinge are working. Harms innovation says the paid shill or useful idiot. Visibility to only people/ideas that support their narrative and positions to people who play ball like a good idiot.
to keep in bubbles
to keep violent dogs that police the nation and do it discretely out of sigth out of mind.
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>>71401353
>to manipulate people at the invidual level
Is the only new aspect added by data mining. And it already relies on a soft target, so only makes finding the soft targets easier. Rest is business as usual that doesn't even need the Internet.

>Visibility to only people/ideas that support their narrative and positions to people who play ball like a good idiot.
>to keep in bubbles
More of an algorithm thing that doesn't even need personal data; and people do it all themselves without help either way. Take incel communities.

Beyond that, pointing out the obvious without even offering a hint of solution isn't a very productive approach. And if everyone switched to some magical privacy net tomorrow, most of the stuff wouldn't be addressed.
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>>71401411
yes you are right.
downhill direction that is all i am saying. slippery slope.
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>>71400667
he doesn't have one, almost satan
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>>71401275
>you also destroy your ability to make accurate conclusions from it.
Let's take some practical example like Windows collecting amount of clicks on certain UI elements. If all the data they collect is clicks and some hardware ID the assign specifically for this task to make sure the stuff is counted correctly, where would the point of attack even be? Now if they want to also collect voice data to improve Cortana and assign another hardware ID for each word spoken. I'm not an expert but shit doesn't sound too bad if it's done without the motive to analyse the individual and steps are taken to minimise the risk of someone being able to combining it all. Though obviously it's not someone that can be done for all things.
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>>71400524
>If you have nothing to hide, why bother?
Because I have nothing I want to show so you glowniggers can fuck off.
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>>71400600
>Maybe I'm just being paranoid and nothing will happen, but in that case what have I lost?
this
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>>71401275
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-differential-privacy-shortcomings/

Even in worst case scenario it looks pretty good, and if the data collector is more cooperative, the results would improve too.
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>>71400736
Ok let him record you(your data are stored indefinitely) while you say that and then see what happens when mommy discovers through youtube your gay lolifuta fetishes.
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>>71401499
i dont think your practical example kind of data collection is concerning. (except if exerting the power to keep dominating position. Gained from being the only good option on the market. Having user monopoly so competition cant no longer get thay data/revenue to make the service, voice, maps, ...)
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>>71401565
this kind of data is not concerning unless used to profile then manipulate or to silence.
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>>71401572
>except if exerting the power to keep dominating position. Gained from being the only good option on the market
Pretty good point, though guess dealing with that would be another matter either way.
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>>71400524
>Why do some of you go so far out of your ways to keep your anonymity?
Because most of us would be in jail if we didn't.
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>>71400759
>granny probably lived in a time when they used to lynch fags
based
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>>71401595
Welcome to 2019 where you can go to jail(europe) or losing a job(america) for having wrong opinion on Facebook, any data collection is concerning because it can be used against you anytime in the future.
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If you think you have nothing to hide you are pretending to know more than you can about yourself, others and law, and that you have no exploitable weaknesses.
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>>71401646
Nazis aren't popular, big deal.
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>>71401646
goverment should be completely open. No locked doors dealings and full paper trail. Communications etc. they work for the people. Intelligence and security can be discreet but not to selected elected officials with security clearance and arrests made by the police transparent not to only few people or to commander only. No just following orders or just doing their "job". Job should be just not how it is now.
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>>71401699
What?
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>>71400776
>Believing that fetishes need to be private information
Okay
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>>71401725
What other "wrong" opinions would matter?
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>>71401736
Tons of conservatives and religious fags are into shit that'd get them lynched by their own side.
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>>71401736
>Believing fetishism is immune to exploitation
Good luck.
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>>71401699
>>71401744
Ok we get it, you like to fuck niggers.
Some people don't though and they're increasingly at risk of being stamped "hateful" in this society for having opinions. Being stamped that renders their ability to get certain jobs, etc, harder.
It's exactly like China's social credit system in some ways (which really makes you think).
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>>71401736
>just stop keeping your thoughts in your head
>oh but if you have bad thoughts then you will go to jail
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>yfw every method to hide your identity is useless because hardware has backdoors
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>>71401754
Tonnes of liberal faggots are secretly racist homophobes too.
Learn to id.
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So I can take vacations outside of Scandinavia without getting disappeared.
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>>71401744
not that guy
eat the rich in broad sense not extreme sense.
lobby, bribing, giving free options, decentralization, increasing competition, media dominance and advertising. Regulation of electronics. Planned obsolescence. Goverment competing with private, opinions on taxes, information withholding, forcing captive markets to give up power/information, socialism for the rich, benefits to rich, abuse by the rich, tax and funding disinformation. ...
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>>71401791
>just because you have a backdoor, robbers must exploit it to steal your shit
But regardless, we need better locks for it.
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>>71401771
Only that this works from the side of population. No one wants works next to a nazi, sorry, bud.

>>71401800
As long they have the self control not to annoy other people with their idiocy, who cares? No one stops nazis from fantasising about purging negros and homos ... if they announce their fantasies in the open, it's given that no one would want to be around that person. It's basically self isolation.

>>71401809
Not a single of these opinions would get you in trouble as long you don't go on about in a "kill porky" way. Now some would obviously affect how your employer views you, but if you're applying as an accountant for Google and oppose double Dutch on social media ... it wouldn't be a great fit either way.
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>>71401852
Oh and besides there are examples of companies specifically hiring people who hold opposing views. FB recruited legitimate privacy advocates for example. Guess everyone is for sale.
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Interesting.
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>>71401852
>No one wants works next to a nazi
I wonder if your inner brain agrees. "Racism" is part a natural phenomenon. It is part of the mechanism we use to distinguish between objects. Naturally, we value things in a hierarchy as we need to number the importance of one object to us than another object. The race of a person is no exception.
Hence why "anti-racism" merely becomes "anti-white" as we simply inverse the hierarchy in our minds.

I hope you're not white anon.

>No one stops nazis from fantasising about purging negros and homos
Except many organisations want to crack down on hate speech. Is that not a mere verbal ejaculation of thought?
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>>71401744
Not calling mutilated men a 'woman' for example.
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>>71401789
That's why I moved country.
>>71401756
Of course it's open to exploitation, people have tried to exploit me over it before. However, I'm not going to let me personal wellbeing get in the way of my beliefs.

Fetishes shouldn't be shamed. I have no political power, but I can at least create normal relationships with people and help to humanise the concept of practitioners of my fetishes to people. Helping to make a culture free of these issues.
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>>71401852
It is rich giving power to enrich themselves
you get harassed and paid trolls/bots discredit you. Flooded/scared/threaths to stop I dont think an outsider can know. No visibility.
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>>71401852
>nazism bad
>oh you're commie? that's okay
and now you know why people want privacy being private, because bootlickers like you would report and ban every wrong (any opinion different from yours) opinion, nobody wants to work with trannies, gays, commies etc. either but these are for some weird reasons encouraged to spread their nonsense which is far more dangerous for western society than all nazis on the planet combined
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>>71400736
Your data can get one day leaked to somebody you know.
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>>71401901
>I wonder if your inner brain agrees.
Pretty sure the brain of everyone above 10 can make the distinction between "woah, this is new, scary" and "let's take rights away from this person a few shades too dark"

>Is that not a mere verbal ejaculation of thought?
And crossing the line. A pretty decent indicator for poor impulse control which would be a negative even if the thought itself wouldn't be cancerous. You're free to fantasise about lynching your boss after he announced another week of crunch time or wanting to bust a nut in the face of that new qt co worker. If you can't stop yourself from sharing these fantasies ... better stay in your basement.
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>>71401970
>why do you insist to keep your things private?
>LOL YOU CAN'T SAY THIS ALOUD, GO TO JAIL
if opinions of others people are so dangerous for you maybe you should grow some skin, bootlicker, it's always laughable when you (((antifascists))) are greatest supporters of totalitarianism and suppression of freedom of speech.
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>>71400524
>Why do you use weird operating systems?
because they're fun
>Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal?
i don't want someone watching me just because i'm not doing anything wrong
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>>71401947
spin the information, make a narrative, push opinions by funding media/writers.
jail, listed/surveilance, shamed, blocked, freedoms taken away. Money problems, legal trouble, make hard to get funding.
Example associate negative images to make everything avoid you.
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>>71402022
>be brainlet in the open
>bitch about people not wanting to work with a brainlet
Are the Juice at fault for you being an incel too?
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>>71402053
im not advocate of the right or conservative.
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>>71402056
>everyone who doesn't share my opinions is brainlet
sure thing commie
>bitch about people not wanting to work with a brainlet
90% of people are retards, just not everyone who doesn't share your jewish opinion
>incel ad hominem
so you already lost argument, go lick some boots for likes on facebook
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>>71401970
>Pretty sure the brain of everyone above 10 can make the distinction between "woah, this is new, scary" and "let's take rights away from this person a few shades too dark"
You actually can't. That's how frail the human mind is (see below).

>If you can't stop yourself from sharing these fantasies
Why is the sharing of the fantasies so dangerous to you?
Is that because you're frightened that some people might agree on things?
Is that because it allows the propagation of an ideology in conflict with your ideology?

So what you're essentially cracking down upon is alternative thought, critical thinking then. So in that case, why was anti-racism allowed as a thought to begin with? What made it? Didn't critical thinking in the past make it? Why would they suddenly crack down upon critical thinking now that anti-racism is embedded in the system? Isn't that essentially proving that anti-racism is no more than a mere ideology then and that critical thinking is now a threat to it as it was a threat to racism in the past?
Furthermore, how can we function as a society without continuous critical thinking? We need it to highlight issues and solve them. We need them to criticise flaws in logic and correct them in order to make our system function correctly.

So when you say we should just censor some form of speech, I immediately think that this will let economic and systematic issues worsen. You've effectively destroyed the immunisation of this system by doing so.
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>>71402155
Don't expect sensible answer, your argument was not in his antifa handbook.
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>>71400524
>Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal?
I never claimed that I don't?
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>>71402134
>>71402254
Aww man, your lack of self-awareness isn't even amusing anymore. Go back to AMD vs Nvidia threads or something.

>>71402155
>You actually can't.
I don't know, mate. Most people don't become active racists somehow.

>Why is the sharing of the fantasies so dangerous to you?
When did dangerous even get into it? I specifically gave two examples far away from racism.
>You're free to fantasise about lynching your boss after he announced another week of crunch time or wanting to bust a nut in the face of that new qt co worker.
If you don't see how voicing these thoughts would likely be a net negative for your environment and not paint the person voicing them in the most appealing light, it's not worth continuing even as shitposting.

And the rest of your post was unrelated, overly elaborate rant about "not tolerating intolerance is intolerant" which is bullshit on every level and again, not even worth discussing if you need an explanation for that.
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>>71402282
>Most people don't become active racists somehow.
Correct, most people are racist from birth, then it gets supressed as they grow up and they start being racists again after gaining enough experience (like 13% of certain population in America doing over 50% of crimes)
>If you don't see how voicing these thoughts would likely be a net negative for your environment and not paint the person voicing them in the most appealing light, it's not worth continuing even as shitposting.
giving someone 'retard' sticker is not the same thing as censorship
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>>71400524
Privacy rights should be at the top of our society.
Think about a country like China. They can come to your house, since they know where you live, and easily deport you outside the country if not kill you. They would know where you work, who you live with, who you hang out with, absolutely everything.

But actually this can either be bad or good.
Bad, because they could kill you for saying or doing something they didn't like.
Good, because with that they could easily identify and eliminate criminals that no one wants in our society.

Whether this will be good or bad yes has to be verified, but I definitely think it'll go on the bad side.
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>>71402337
it is the poverty and environmen that teaches how to react. If only way to get what you want is with crime and there are no instant risks like living in poverty and gang area there child slowly becomes what the environment molds them to be.
t. 3rd active poster guy
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>>71402337
>Correct, most people are racist from birth
Nice twist, but still bullshit. Though I guess partly my fault for going with the racist shit instead of specifying stereotyping. Charles being afraid to walk in the "black neighbourhood" is a far fucking cry from Cletus wanting to send the coloureds back to Africa.

>13% of certain population in America doing over 50% of crimes
Sweet, out of context numbers! Much facts. Such serious point. How about the 50% of the population committing 88% of homicides and 75% felonies? How about 80% of murder victims and 85% of rape victims knowing their rapist? Guess after we deport the negros, the next logical thing would be jailing all men and making sure people don't befriend others to limit crime. Rationality, fuck yeah.

>giving someone 'retard' sticker is not the same thing as censorship
Shit, we actually agree! Now where did I say anything about advocating censorship? I'd prefer if nazis stopped hiding behind pathetic dogwhistles and dealt with the consequences of voicing their opinions. Like the fact that no one wants to work with obnoxious people. Censorship is only protecting the brainlets from themselves, which seems counterproductive to help people to change.
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>>71402429
>it is the poverty and environmen that teaches how to react.
if this was true then jews who were kicked out of almost all european countries in past would be the most criminal elements in society, not to mention that poorest white neigborhoods often look better than richest black neighborhoods, surely this does have nothing to with average nigger having 10-20 lower IQ than average white (truthful fact that can get you also censored because of muh hatespeech)
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>>71400524
Post your browsing history for us. Thanks.
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>>71402519
>Guess after we deport the negros, the next logical thing would be jailing all men and making sure people don't befriend others to limit crime.
Do it faggot, I dare you and will laugh at your ass when society crumbles under your retardation.
>I'd prefer if nazis stopped hiding behind pathetic dogwhistles and dealt with the consequences of voicing their opinions.
Consequence for using words should be words, that's it.
>Censorship is only protecting the brainlets from themselves, which seems counterproductive to help people to change.
Thank I'll protect myself and do changes that I deem neccesarry, not you so stick with your bussiness, not mine
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>>71402519
>Guess after we deport the negros, the next logical thing would be jailing all men and making sure people don't befriend others to limit crime.
Men created this society so they can do whatever the fuck they want with it, niggers didn't create shit so they can fuck off.
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>>71402564
>when society crumbles under your retardation.
Hey, it was your idea to go by some out of context meme.
>Consequence for using words should be words, that's it.
Sure. Ideally in written form though. Something along the lines of: You're fired. A few "you're blocked from reaching this number" would do nicely too.
>Thank I'll protect myself and do changes that I deem neccesarry, not you
Of course. That's how it's supposed to work. No one can help you but yourself. And not being sheltered from consequences helps to see the flaws in your thinking.

>>71402590
Negros built Murica in the first place.
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>>71401970
>"let's take rights away from this person a few shades too dark"

Were you in hibernation when even the smallest critique of LGBTQBTCP/IP got people branded as nazis and removed from their jobs? Like that firefox CEO who was harassed into resignation for supporting an anti gay marriage group?
You might also want to consider that the status quo you are trying to defend through censorship is fragile. Do you want to be on the other end of the stick when the political climate 180s and all your wrongthink is laid bare?
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>>71402629
>Negros built Murica in the first place.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>71402531
you think black people are treated the same? You think is not because parents have different culture? You think the quality of black schools is the same as white? There isnt bias for skin color that affects treatment and opportunities? No negative images potraited by the media?

jews how would they be biggest criminals if they have wealth so they dont have to take the path of blue collar crime? There are manipulators/abusesr, jews if this is your word for this group. Im not denying their existance and influence. Facts to me are from trusted sources and scientific method provable. Are beliefs/feelings more important than facts to you?
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>>71402642
>person donates to take away rights from people
>people don't like it and protest against working for someone like that
Where is muh censorship and wrongthink there? He used his right to donate for whatever cause he supports. The workers used their right to protest working for some dickhead.
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>>71402531
You do realize that even the nazis considered the way Burgers treated negros was inhumane, right?
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>>71402659
>you think black people are treated the same?
you think fat people are treated same as thin people? you think poor people are treated same as rich people? world isn't fair cupcake
>You think is not because parents have different culture? So? Their culture should've stayed in Africa, nobody wants their shiture in civilised countries.
>You think the quality of black schools is the same as white?
they get same funding, quality of black schools depends on quality of black people
>There isnt bias for skin color that affects treatment and opportunities?
Of course there is, if you're not black you're not going to get free shit.
>No negative images potraited by the media?
There are far more negative shit going from nonwhites and almost none of it gets into media, that 'negative image' is just a tip of iceberg of what those monkeys actually do
>jews how would they be biggest criminals if they have wealth so they dont have to take the path of blue collar crime? There are manipulators/abusesr, jews if this is your word for this group. Im not denying their existance and influence.
point was that jews were subjected to poverty and 'nigger conditions' for a far longer time than niggers in history, yet they were smart enough to work themselves out instead of 'whitey gib moni' (they still play holohoax card though)
>Facts to me are from trusted sources and scientific method provable.
yeah, rememeber that scientist with nobel prize who got sacked for simple telling of truth like: different races have different IQ?James Watson was his name
>Are beliefs/feelings more important than facts to you?
Of course not, fact is that black people are inferior, fact you refuse to acknowledge and brand as wrongthink.
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>>71402708
I don't care about nazis in the first place, take that to commie who throws nazi buzzword at anyone with differing opinion.
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>>71402670
3rd guy here. There isnt.
Answer to the taking rights away from people with different color of skin or idealogy.

>>71402726
never said it was fair.
topic was why they are what they are. Environment invisible hand.
yes but nobody is trying to improve the environment all they get is blame by the ignorant who dont know that is part of their fault and fixable by changing the enviment. Stoppin the counter productive culture you are part of.
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>>71402776
>yes but nobody is trying to improve the environment all they get is blame by the ignorant who dont know that is part of their fault and fixable by changing the enviment.
do you know who fixed enviroment for whites? whites, so maybe niggers should finally grow up, dissolution of welfare would be great first step
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>>71401565
Doubt mommy will get hold of my gay lolifuta fetishes. What she gonna do? Call Google? Lol okay
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>>71402798
raise awarness they too are ignorant. To everyone currently rich live lavish lives and abuse the system. Manipulate everybody. There is no american dream anymore.
Change the environment. Less fat, more healthy, opportunities, access to information. Decentralize companies so more competition. Everyone can work on advancing things rather than gatekeeping to people who benefit them.
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>>71402866
>Less fat, more healthy
they can eat more healthy, nothing stops them from buying veggies instead of KFC bucket
>opportunities
they have esame if not more because of racial quotas in their favor
>access to information
everyone have a fucking internet, humankind had never a greater access to information than today

but this thread got boring already, OP asked why people keep shit private, commies wanting to punish people for wrongthink gave him a great example why so this thread already fulfilled it's role and we can move this discussion to /pol/
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>>71400524
Every so often, you hear the argument “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”, in order to justify increased and invasive surveillance. This argument is not only dangerous, but dishonest and cowardly, too.
In the comments to a post about Sweden’s DNA register, some expressed the “nothing to hide” argument – that efficiency of law enforcement should always be an overriding factor in any society-building, usually expressed as “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”. This is a very dangerous mindset. The argument is frequently raised in debates by pro-big brother hawks, and doing so is dangerous, cowardly, and dishonest.
There are at least four good reasons to reject this argument solidly and uncompromisingly: The rules may change, it’s not you who determine if you’re guilty, laws must be broken for society to progress, and privacy is a basic human need.
Let’s look at these in detail. They go from the less important and more obvious, to the less obvious and more important.
One – The rules may change: Once the invasive surveillance is in place to enforce rules that you agree with, the ruleset that is being enforced could change in ways that you don’t agree with at all – but then, it is too late to protest the surveillance. For example, you may agree to cameras in every home to prevent domestic violence (“and domestic violence only”) – but the next day, a new political force in power could decide that homosexuality will again be illegal, and they will use the existing home cameras to enforce their new rules. Any surveillance must be regarded in terms of how it can be abused by a worse power than today’s.
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>>71402905
Two – It’s not you who determine if you have something to fear: You may consider yourself law-abidingly white as snow, and it won’t matter a bit. What does matter is whether you set off the red flags in the mostly-automated surveillance, where bureaucrats look at your life in microscopic detail through a long paper tube to search for patterns. When you stop your car at the main prostitution street for two hours every Friday night, the Social Services Authority will draw certain conclusions from that data point, and won’t care about the fact that you help your elderly grandmother – who lives there – with her weekly groceries. When you frequently stop at a certain bar on your way driving home from work, the Department of Driving Licenses will draw certain conclusions as to your eligibility for future driving licenses – regardless of the fact that you think they serve the world’s best reindeer meatballs in that bar, and never had had a single beer there. People will stop thinking in terms of what is legal, and start acting in self-censorship to avoid being red-flagged, out of pure self-preservation. (It doesn’t matter that somebody in the right might possibly and eventually be cleared – after having been investigated for six months, you will have lost both custody of your children, your job, and possibly your home.)
Two and a half – Point two assumes that the surveillance even has correct data, which it has been proven time and again to frequently not have.
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>>71402920
Three – Laws must be broken for society to progress: A society which can enforce all of its laws will stop dead in its tracks. The mindset of “rounding up criminals is good for society” is a very dangerous one, for in hindsight, it may turn out that the criminals were the ones in the moral right. Less than a human lifetime ago, if you were born a homosexual, you were criminal from birth. If today’s surveillance level had existed in the 1950s and 60s, the lobby groups for sexual equality could never have formed; it would have been just a matter of rounding up the organized criminals (“and who could possibly object to fighting organized crime?”). If today’s surveillance level had existed in the 1950s and 60s, homosexuality would still be illegal and homosexual people would be criminals by birth. It is an absolute necessity to be able to break unjust laws for society to progress and question its own values, in order to learn from mistakes and move on as a society.
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>>71402670
>do something in private
>get buttfucked because someone manages to dig it up
That's the entire point of the thread. Privacy matters. I already refrain from posting my opinions on social media so being profiled by the services I use is the only vulnerability left.
Also, being anti gay marriage shouldn't be controversial. Married couples get reduced tax rates, at least where I live. The state does not do this out of kindness but to encourage offspring. A gay couple having tax benefits is a loophole.
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>>71402950
Four – Privacy is a basic human need: Implying that only the dishonest people have need of any privacy ignores a basic property of the human psyche, and sends a creepy message of strong discomfort. We have a fundamental need for privacy. I lock the door when I go to the men’s room, despite the fact that nothing secret happens in there: I just want to keep that activity to myself, I have a fundamental need to do so, and any society must respect that fundamental need for privacy. In every society that doesn’t, citizens have responded with subterfuge and created their own private areas out of reach of the governmental surveillance, not because they are criminal, but because doing so is a fundamental human need.
Finally, it could be noted that this argument is also commonly used by the authorities themselves to promote surveillance and censorship, while rejecting transparency and free speech. Those who want to have a little fun can play the reverse card as illustrated by Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal.
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>>71402953
Donations aren't private per se.

>The state does not do this out of kindness but to encourage offspring.
So childless couples and old fuck marrying get no tax benefits?
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>>71402970
>So childless couples and old fuck marrying get no tax benefits?
should be that way, abolish all welfare to save and give massive tax cuts to those who make kids (if you give people money for kids you will just have more niggers, niggers can't into tax cuts)
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>>71402519
>I'd prefer if nazis stopped hiding behind pathetic dogwhistles and dealt with the consequences of voicing their opinions
What consequences?
The consequence of destroying your fragile ideological cult with wrong think?
By the way, how can your ideology improve itself without criticism? Of course, you know that "improvement" will actually destroy that fragile ideology because it is based on nonsense.

This is why you crack down on free speech, because you are afraid of criticism. You are in denial.
Sure there are consequences of speech, the consequence being the destruction of a fragile lunacy cult.
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>>71402903
you think the environment hasnt caused people to not be able to decide not to eat. When kfc tastes better and is cheaper than healthy foods odds are u get kfc. They dont know how much food they should eat. After you have gone fat is is a brick wall to try to lose weight. Start with kids that are not yet fat.

You are not aware of opportunities.
You are not aware of the information that is gatekeeped from you.

Internet doesnt give good information media pushes products that are ineffective like supplement, make-up, healthy lifestyles. Why would they give something that works like eating less for weight loss, lowing weight for health reasons, vanity, status. Housing, needs, you dont know better alternatives. You dont have money or power to get land or visibility to make better environment. All you do is get played by common greed. Yours and others.

Communism and capitalism are not the only choices. Commie this and that. Get played.
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>>71402992
I mean sure, if that was the case there would be a legitimate reason to be against gay marriage. Though in the end it's still an opinion people might dislike and have the right to protest against, just like people have the right to hold the opinion.

If Applel's workers begin to resign/protest because they don't want to work for a gay CEO, it'd be fair too. And if no one else would want to hire them afterwards, well, thought luck.

>>71403002
>I find freeze peach pretty rad
>"This is why you crack down on free speech"
What to the wut?
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>>71403005
>When kfc tastes better
so do you want to be fucking healthy or have better taste? garbage always tastes better, it's the whole point of junk food
>and is cheaper than healthy foods
this is fucking bullshit, you're just lazy to cook
>Internet doesnt give good information media pushes products that are ineffective like supplement, make-up, healthy lifestyles.
wrong, stop searching for excuses: http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

I don't get played by common greed, all I can smell is laziness from your post
>fix enviroment for me because thinking and doing is too hard for me!
no fuck you
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>>71402282
>When did dangerous even get into it?
Because it is clear you consider it a danger to an ideological establishment.
>If you don't see how voicing these thoughts would likely be a net negative for your environment and not paint the person voicing them in the most appealing light
Why would this paint any person with anonymity though?
We're talking about why even anonymous speech should be cracked down upon. Not speech relatable personally to someone.

>"not tolerating intolerance is intolerant"
Is exactly right. You are hypocrites. You are in denial about this.
Had racism been the status quo, you would be complaining about the attacks on free speech. But as PC is against it, you simply agree with attacks on free speech.
You are pro your ideology's speech and nothing else.
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>>71403032
Now you're in denial that you're destroying free speech.
That is some mental gymnastics.
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>>71403055
>I don't get played by common greed
>that denial
Greed is inherent in man. You're clearly pretending to be ignorant of that.
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>>71403075
???
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>>71403075
>strawmaning doesn't work
>still goes on and on about it
Anon, take your meds.
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>>71403091
>you're greedy if you want to teach a lazy person how to fish instead of giving him fish everyday
greed sure is and it's mark of an educated man to supress this 'quality', welfare recipients are most greedy people on planet since they expect something for nothing
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>>71403155
>it's mark of an educated man to supress this 'quality'
Is it?
I thought capitalism was our coping mechanism for greed?
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>>71403155
gatekeepers aint fucking teaching. hoarding information and increasing threshold to get it. Give access to those who play with them deny access to others/competition. Lose power when people know how to fish. Keeping dependant slaves.
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>>71403116
>>71403099
>I want to crack down on X speech
>"why are you saying I want to crack down on free speech?"

Tell me how "tolerance" is enforced then?
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>>71400524
Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -Edward Snowden

Privacy should be a basic human right to protect those who need it, like whistleblowers

Things might look innocent now, but wait until companies will start selling your 20 year track record of mistakes to insurance companies for a dollar

All is well and good, convenience for life, until government gets involved with companies. I suggest you watch the Snowden movie and the Richard Stallman speech at the summit
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>>71403224
I already gave you all the information you need for healthy lifestyle in >>71403055 , you absolutely ignored it and still blabber shit about 'gatekeepers of information' when information is literally at your fingertips, you just refuse to commit 30 second to a google search and then 3 minutes to sift useful info from bullshit, nobody keeps any more information from niggers than they do from whites
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>>71400524
Why not? It’s fun and I’m terrified of Google. Not even kidding at all.
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>>71403331
>everything is online
well no and you lack that knowledge.
maybe im not talking about health. Im talking about ineffective solutions pushed by the media which is for most the only source of information. How many deceptive ads are pushed when you google? How many ineffective articles are suggested? How about information on corruption, ownership, profit margins, houses, alternatives, options, ...? You fail to understand that you lack the options in your headand think that I think same things as you do.
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>>71403407
>How many deceptive ads are pushed when you google?
If you're on /g/ then you should get none because you have properly set up ad blocker.
>How many ineffective articles are suggested?
that was covered in my 'sift useful info from bullshit for 3 minutes' in my previous post
>How about information on corruption, ownership, profit margins
I feel you but this is outside of scope of your abilities if you can't even self-discipline yourself, start with thing you can change and work your way up instead of trying to take jews head on.
>houses, alternatives, options,
this is well covered in the internet, there are many guides how to build shit
>You fail to understand that you lack the options in your headand think that I think same things as you do.
Excuses, there isn't everything on the internet like how to get free shit without work, there is everything you need to know to get your shit in order. But hey, sitting in your goverment funded home, well fed by tax-payers foodstamps and crying 'discrimination' on chinese plant growing forum is way easier than starting lifting and cooking right now.
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>>71402970
This isn't about his specific opinions so feel free to provide a recent example of a commie/tranny receiving similar treatment. If you don't post it on social media for the world to see it should be private. Examples like this are why people want to keep stuff private. This is about OPs question why bother with privacy/anonymity if you have nothing to hide. You will have something to hide if you reach some degree of renown. Who's to say all your edgy teenager opinons are still acceptable by the time you get anywhere at all? And people will go digging.
Also, kindly address the changing rules. I don't want future law enforcement to know about my wrongthink. The average search history/facebook profile gives very clear indication of political leaning so the reasonable thing to do, for me, is to keep them empty or non-existant.
As to childless couples: they used to be very rare, but still get (undeserved) tax benefits. Gay couples with children on the other hand are the exception. Policy is for the mean, not the outlier.
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>>71400524
>If you have nothing to hide, why bother?
I have a lot to hide. My accounts, my bank details, my private keys, my private messages, keys and passwords I use at work, propretiary code I'm developing, etc.

>Why do you use weird operating systems?
Because it significantly boosts my performance. AUR, Pacman, UNIX-like OS, modular system, etc, all are really useful for poweruser.

>Why do you use a certain browser?
I use Firefox because I can customize everything about it and rice it.

>Why do you use a VPN?
Allows to bypass filters and literally creates virtual LAN for my friends to communicate/play together no matter where we are.

>Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal?
Because it's the only way.

>Why does it matter if google and amazon tailor make the ads you see?
Ads significantly reduce pages' readability and are plain annoying.
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>>71403544
my concern is not me but others that make decisions that affect me. Drag me to the bottom with them.

How much harder is it to lose weight when you are fat. Then you get recommended to excersize which is counter productive only harms the person. How hard is it to get out of a bubble if your environment has 0% odds of finding the truth. Think they are free when they are not. Have choice when there is no choice. You think I need to be buff? Waste time on trying to be big? I have other priorities and people should know what works and what is ineffective. How slow would it be if every child would have to learn from their town's wisemen. They could get the same level of education and they are not. Not a problem to you when others affect your life in a negative way? Self centered superiority complex while getting played hard but as long as you can deny your inferiority other people are full of shit, right? Fuck u got mine. Unaware of getting fucked. Be a puppet.
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in current society free speech isn't an option, just like casual freedom. Imagine anti-vax retards going and spreading their plague everywhere, even despite their retardation still gaining more and more retards in the cult. People are idiots and you need to keep them inside their contamination, even if that affects normal people.
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>Why do you use a VPN?
lmao, dumbest way to get caught
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>>71403246
You don't need to enforce shit if we talk about the state. And you fucking quoted the approach I'd prefer few posts ago. And practically it's what's happening either way, at least in the states. Yuros still need to step up and make lolcaust denial legal.
You should be free to say whatever you want, and people should be free to react towards your speech with their own, like accepting to refuse working with you. Freeze dem peaches but accept the consequences.

>>71403558
>If you don't post it on social media for the world to see it should be private.
What about harassing someone in private? Should they be gagged from being able to report on it? Sounds very anti freeze peach.

>Examples like this are why people want to keep stuff private.
Donations to political causes need to be on register for much more important issues. You could argue they shouldn't be public-public but there should be access from the press to minimize corruption.

>changing rules
What do you mean exactly?

>The average search history/facebook profile gives very clear indication of political leaning so the reasonable thing to do, for me, is to keep them empty or non-existant.
I mean sure. There are a few different convos going on now. I'm anti data mining for advertisement purposes and don't use social media cancer, no would recommend it to anyone beyond professional reasons (aka pr fag or a celeb) so I don't even know what to say here.

>Policy is for the mean, not the outlier.
So no tax cuts if the woman is past 55? Why even making such round about shit instead of simply giving tax cuts to couples with children under 18?
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>Why do any of this if what you're doing isn't illegal
because websiteowners can track you over all other websites you are visiting and they can sell this information: employers, health insurance and governements and criminals are interested in this data.

And its important to do this to protect people (by augmenting the users of VPN, encryption) who are doing activities that are declared as illegal by not-human-freindly governments, although contemplated with common sense they are normal an legal.
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>>71403712
teach the children how suck a cock and not to tell anyone? Teach god will judge them. Teach there is violent barbarians outside of town. Teach people to be stupid and ignorant. You can deny holocaust but you should not be allowed to brainwash lunatic theories. No critical thinking. Buy my snake oil. My snake oil sales will go up when I lobby that education system. Ill be rich. Unaware of being a small timer.
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>>71403774
Are you that anon who forgot to take his pills still?
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>>71403811
no i just hope someone gets something out of this.
I think the guy who i am responding is the guy or it was some one timer.
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>>71403712
>What about harassing someone in private? Should they be gagged from being able to report on it?
Are you dense? Of course they shouldn't. Harassing people is literally me pushing info to the world. We're talking about involuntary data collection. Admittedly the donation is a poor example but it shows the effects of (valid) opinions reaching the public that can destroy carreers.

>changing rules
>What do you mean exactly?>>71402905

>Why even making such round about shit instead of simply giving tax cuts to couples with children under 18?
The law being stupid does not invalidate it unfortunately. That doesn't mean you should condemn someone for criticising a practice that would be considered tax evasion under different circumstances. Some countries did not give tax benefits to same-sex couples for precisely that reason and that's being lobbied against as well, including calling people nazis who want to keep it that way.
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>>71403666
>give me free shit
>my concern is not me
>life is hard
ok satan, we are all puppets, but you're useful idiots for elites who use lazy people like you to sap money from productive people
I tire of your drivel, go be nigger somewhere else.
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>>71403901
when did i say give me free shit?
what makes you think im someone who is sapping money.
you are the one who doesnt wake the fuck up and get used.
im about efficiency you are about me first and other people are stupid they deserve that while you are the one getting fucked too.
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>>71403851
>We're talking about involuntary data collection.
Which is pretty rare given how people usually willingly give up their shit.

>>71402905
Ah, fuck that. I'm not on the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" train. It's stupid and dangerous as fuck.
>>71401104
Was my first post in this shitfest.

>That doesn't mean you should condemn someone for criticising a practice
Are we really pretending he gives any fucks about muh tax? But fuck it, let's say he 100% does; and let's assume he states the opinion in public. If most people disagree enough with a view that they don't want to associate and work with the person; it'd be a fair conclusion. Whether his opinion is a legitimate concern or some crazy shit shouldn't matter for their right to react to it. He has the right to criticise any law, you have the right to criticise him for criticising the law and so on.

If he was fired by the state it'd be a lot more complicated but being pushed to resign by a private company (or whatever Mozilla is now) sounds perfectly fair, even if his view was "flowers are pretty" and the majority of employees disagreed.
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>>71403944
>I'm about efficiency
>can't even eat efficiently to not get fat

repeat ad infitum: grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

you way overestimate your abilities and as result are not able to do more than whine and complain, you won't change shit with your attitude
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>>71404080
did i say i am fat?
you jump to things.
Like i said before my consern is others dragging me down.
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I help out anyone that wants privacy online, from advising people away from social networks to walking someone through using tails for web browsing. I also dox and then data dump all the nazis I can. Because fuck nazis. Idiots out of their containment board will sperg out at this, but the truth is nazis deserve no sympathy for anything that happens to them. And yes, I'm white
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>>71404530
Based.
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>>71404530
Really trying for those (You)s, huh?
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>>71400524
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/surveillance-vs-democracy.html
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>>71400524
I don't watch porn (nofap), and i don't even do illegal stuff (drugs etc...). I don't trust my government. They have been known to put spyware under windows PCs. And they watch what you do if you don't use a VPN. In my country, tens of thousands have seen their facebook account close each year, and some have gone to jail because they made a joke about jews on twitter. So yeah, anonimity is important since 100% of the world governments are pieces of shit.
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>>71401771
You *are* hateful.
In one hand, you have the problem of companies invading your privacy. On the other hand, though, you have the much bigger problem of being a nazi.
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>thread asking privacy advocates why they need privacy so badly
>it turns into people telling OP why nazism is actually good
Gee, I wonder why.
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>>71400714
I've made all of these mistakes and deeply regretted it

there's no going back, once they have your data there's nothing you can do.
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>>71400524
>Why do some of you go so far out of your ways to keep your anonymity?
Because autistic neckbeards can't help but think the NSA spends all its budget monitoring losers who see fizzbuzz as a programming challenge.
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>>71400714
>>71407307
This.
I literally got doxed because of an old DNS logs when I didn't give a fuck to buy whois guard. They associated my nickname with my real name this way.



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