ATTENTION: The Navi RX 5700XT and RX 5700 will launch alongside Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 on 7/7/2019. Nvidia is rumored to be releasing a SUPER series that will reportedly see 20 series cards upgraded to one higher card tier: e.g., the 2060 SUPER will perform like a 2070 at the old 2060's price point. More info on the SUPER series possible on 6/21.>Assemble a part listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see noteshttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/>How to assemble a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8gWant help?>State budget & CURRENCY>Post at least some attempt at a parts list>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)CPUs based on current pricing:>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs>i7 8700 or 9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editingRAM:>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMPGraphics cards based on current pricing:>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty1080p>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value>GTX 1660 - standard>RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)1440p>RTX 2060 - standard>RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)2160p (4K)>RTX 2080 - standard>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensivePrevious: >>71395770
>>71400258General:>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
How many inches is too much for 1440p
>>71400295How far away are you sitting from it and do you want to stop at the soft limit of increased perception of realness or at the harder limit?
>>71400302Bit more then a foot and a soft limit is fine
>>71400314>>71400295Not the other anon, but 24" or 27" max
4K build:Is Ryzen 3 (gen 1) enough? Seems so.I am eyeing a first gen thread ripper for $250, are these still good good vs upcoming gen 3? I’m patient so I can wait. Thinking Radeon VII because value performance. However, at this point I also am somewhat interested in going for the eco-friendly route with lower power consumption. Id be willing to buy a new mobo and case since mine is hot and micro size. I bought a house and moved out of an APT so I can go Big now. Please advise and please no ray tracing tesselator Vulcan marketing shit. Also please make your response more nuanced than ‘VII IS SHIT, NVIDIA ARE JEWS’.Data, long term usability, energy draw, applications are far more useful. Right now eying RVII and threadripper gen 1 12 core or an intel/Nvidia build if i can get one that runs cool and somewhat low power consumption.
>MSI B450M Bazooka V2>Gigabyte B450 Aorus MYou can only pick one. Go.
>>714003324k you're going to be 100% GPU bound. Radeon 7 is good considering especially the vram but the 2080ti is the better card for 4k.TR is good especially with 1st gen getting huge price cuts but even with the grain of salt from leaked benchmarks the 3950x is going to be far better than TR and all of intel's HEDT cpus. But again for 4k gaming any current gen CPU should do fine
>>714003321st gen TR is terrible at gaming and you have to buy an expensive mobo. Read OP regarding new product launches, check builds in OP for a baseline
Redpill me on monitors. I need to buy a new one. Everything seems catered to videogaymers
>>71398981>AMD's Vulkan AMDwow ur so knowledgable aren't youstfu adults are talking>>71399028Main use of it is if you wanted to have 3 (or more?) full speed NVMeme drives. Which only really has use for video editing, or running TONs of VMs (which a 16 core could do).There may be some scientific cases where the bandwidth is useful for a GPU as well, just not for games.>>71399056Why the fuck are you spoiling your brother so much? He doesn't need that shitGet him a 2400G build with a pink case.But sure, that's a solid build as long as the 2060 Super winds up being 8GB of VRAM like the rumors suggest.>>71399226CUs are so massively improved in Navi, that it'll likely do ray tracing better than the 2060 does despite not having a dedicated accelerator. lmao.>>71400364Why would you buy gigabyte 400 series boards?>>71400332No. Zen2 on AM4 is much better unless you actually need quad channel memory (which you don't).
I'm a retard. What's the best way to transfer my 2.5TB of anime from my current build to my new one. Can I just take my 3TB HDD out and swap it into the new one if it isn't my C: drive?
>>71400432>Why would you buy gigabyte 400 series boards?Why not?
>>714004072 jews compete for your money.1440 144 hz.Or 4K 60hz.My thoughts. I can’t see 144hz vs 60 FPS but it’s cheaper and easier to achieve. 4KI can definately see what it does but its kind of gay because everything is tiny AF. Also not every game even supports 4K interfaces. Lastly graphics cards seem to be 5 years from doing a good job at 4K 60fps ultra settings and if you spend $1000 on the card you’re still not ‘there’. I’ve given up 4K to revert to 1440 for some games and it’s hard. It’s like the jump from 1080 to 480. Blurry and gay looking. But if you haven’t seen it, you don’t necessarily know what your missing
>>71400432>CUs are so massively improved in Navi, that it'll likely do ray tracing better than the 2060 doesI want whatever you're smoking. Navi won't do raytracing well until it gets the accelerator that the new consoles will have
So what am I supposed to do when Win7 support ends and I still want to play games? I have to use 10 at work and I hate it, security shit aside.
>>71400480>Not buying superior 4k 144hz or 1080p 240hz
>>71400499Update to windows 10
>>71400332What exactly is the ‘purpose’ of Ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9, and thread ripper? Would a zen 3, ryzen 3 be good? I love the first gen one I have desu. Will intel do better this year or next?
>>71400480So far i've just been using an old 1080p monitor that's at least 7-8 years old. But I was looking at buying a new wide one: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-29UM69G-B-ultrawide-monitorSeems like really good value, will this be fine given that I don't play videogames?
>>71400258>no 3000 ryzen for a320 motherboardsweird, msi release bios updates supposedly for the upcoming amd cpus.am I being bamboozled?pic related
>>71400499Linux and spend hours learning how to play music or use a controller
Anyone own an MSI MAG24C or other similar 144Hz VA monitors by MSI? I'm thinking of getting one because of how cheap they are.
>>71400480Adding onto this, you can't downscale to 1440 on a 4k monitor as an even division. 1440 will always look better on a 1440 monitor than on a 4k monitor, so if you're not driving 4k content to it, it's an even worse experience.Give me dat 1440@60hz
>>71400515Also, I don’t ever overcloxk. Please recommend a processor for me thanks
I WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT NVIDIA SUPER
so did they release any information on the super cards?
>>71400542>>71400557More powerful than release versions, probably the same MSRP. Production on older version stopping. Stupid fucking naming scheme.
>>71400575any release date or just usual soon garbage
>>71400523after some research, it seems the a320 chipsets will support the Ryzen 3000 series apus, should I buy a ryzen 3 or ryzen 5?
>>71400576Soon (TM)But rumored for June/July
friend wants a build for light gaming but mostly graphic design work, and preferably all parts on amazon/newegg, I was going with the list from the OP here https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/zqYr7P but it's really late and my mind is fried from travellingbudget is 1k, but since they'll have to buy a monitor keyboard and mouse along with other accessories (they're coming from using a mac for years) I'd try to keep it a little bit lower than thatthanks in advance /pcbg/
>>71400516please reply i need to know whether to buy this
>>71400407>>71400516If you're not gaming, 4K 60Hz VA @ 27">>71400515Athlons and R3s are basic desktop usageR5s and R7s are gaming or video editingR9s are streaming or video editingsTR is for professionals, often those working with VMs and many devices>>71400523Likely that some mobo manufacturers will include support in their BIOS>>71400533Check benchmarks for your application
>>71400601You can get a RX 590 for ~$160.
Hi /v/ can you help? I cannot into computers.Will I need to upgrade for Cyberpunk 2077?>cpu: i5 7600, videocard: gigabyte 2GB GTX 1050, mobo: Asus H270I know its not out until April and requirements haven't even been announced, just worrying.Will compatible parts be available?
>>71400656I recommend upgrading your graphics card
>>71400621No you can't, at least none are listed on pcpartpicker for even close to that price>>71400656Yes, graphics card for sure, likely CPU as well. You can get an i7 7700 used, but it might be cheaper to just upgrade the whole platform to AM4. Obviously don't buy anything now
>>71400609>If you're not gaming, 4K 60Hz VA @ 27"I'm not made of money
>>71400670Yeah I figure that, guess I was a bit too budget conscious when I built end of 2017
>>71400702The cpu ain't that bad unless you want 144hz. Just wait for Nvidia Super to upgrade. It'll probably be better than what Amd has to offer
>>714006834K can be really cheap if you want it to be43” 4K 60Hz, $218 at your local Walmart
>>71400674>>71400720if the cpu needs to to go as well - I've heard speculation of the game needing 3.7+ghz - what would be compatible with the mobo?
>>71400407Whatever it is as long as it's IPS or OLEDOnce you go with deep blacks, you never want to go backunless the monitor is absolutely huge (like 50") then anything above 1080p is a meme and if you want more vidya grafx then just turn up the in-game rendering/DSR factor setting144Hz is a plus but how often do you even play games at those framerates?
>>71400767Why should I not simply buy this monitor right now? https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-29UM69G-B-ultrawide-monitorAny reason? It's $275 canadianbucks
What happens if I limit an RTX 2070 to the same TDP as the GTX 1660 Ti?Would the RTX perform better than the GTX? Worse?
Planning on getting this SSD, is ADATA any good?https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HCQ618F/
What do you guys typically spend on a mobo w/overclocking in mind. Looking to get x570 and deciding on 3700x-3900xAlso what brand?My Asus mobo has been good to me so far so i was thinking them.
>GUYS AMD WAS NOT USING THE 1903 PATCH ON THE BENCHMARKS WHICH INCREASES THE PERFORMANCE BY 15% ON RYZEN>INTEL BTFOwhere is the shill hiding now?
>>71400751>I've heard speculation of the game needing 3.7+ghzUnfounded, anyway as I said the i7 7700>>71401008Probably better, but it's not a fair comparison considering Tensor cores>>71401026Check on ssd.userbenchmark>>71401064Crying in his mother's basement over the Super lineup
>>71400864I prefer high framerate 144hz. Why settle for anything less? It will essentially be a bottleneck in that you wont feel that buttery smoothness depending on your specs and use case
9400f or 9600k for 2k gaming?
Does anyone know when we will start to see pricing on x570 boards? I kind of want to have a general idea what I'm going to be spending before 7/7.
>>71401111If you intent to OC in the future, get the 9600k, if not get the 9400F.
>>71401175We already know. They are priced between $100 being the absolute shit tier and $1000
>>71401064>update 1903 does not enable the new scheduler without the updated Ryzen chipset drivers that AMD will release upon Ryzen 3's launchDidn't even watch it, did you?
>>71400864>https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-29UM69G-B-ultrawide-monitor>ultrashortyikes>>71401008Ya, it'll perform a bit better at the same TDP.>>71400656Your entire build is really really bad. You'd need to redo it all. Well you could keep the RAM and OC it I guess >>71401064Did you even watch the video? It's coming in a chipset update which also requires update 1903.
Hello, /vr/ crossposter here. I am putting the pieces of my retro Windows 7 time machine build together tonight, but I have hit a snag. Should I get a Asus Xonar SE sound card or is the onboard audio good enough? I intend to do some audio recording.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dgjmbXI have not assembled a computer since the old Athlon days when AMD was pretty good and not shameful to have. Any other suggestions welcome for audio for this build?
>>71401111Neither. Why would you buy intel in 2019?There's a reason you have blatant shills in /pcbg/ spamming stuff directly out from https://imgur.com/a/xh2ny to try to get you to buy Intel even though it's trash now.Buying a 9600k in 2019 is like paying $250 for a 6300 in 2012, except they didn't even cost that much.
>>71401274Oh yeah I forgot, there's always something more to wait for until you are proven wrong again.
>>71401372So no, you didn't.Nice job.
>>71401346Wait for Zen2. The onboard memory is likely better than that card, as the audio chipset is directly on the SoC for the lowest possible latency. Likely the only thing better would be a DAC.And do you really need over 32GB of RAM?>>71401372Wow, you're really upset that your Intel CPU keeps getting worse while Ryzen keeps improving even for people who bought it all the way back in 2017.I guess I'd be upset and have buyers remorse in your position, too, but I wouldn't project and take it out on others.
>>71401356But intel still best chosen for gaming.
>>71401340>wait for the bios update broYou have been posting fake benchmarks straight from reddit for days now claiming you get increased performance retard.
>>71401097again, how many games do you actually play at 144+ FPS anyway?I can think of maybe three
>>71401356>blatant shills in /pcbg/ spamming stuff directly out from https://imgur.com/a/xh2nyNo one does this, little retard. False claims discredit your cause (marketing for AMD)
>>71401424Yes, amdboy, yes.
aaand here's the "magic" chipset driver, mobo manufacturers just posted it early.https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherboard/X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING-rev-10#support-dl-driver-chipset
>>71401468No I'm sorry that's not the case
>>71401474Nah that's an old version.
>>71401403Performance did increase in some games and 3dmark. Just wasn't from the scheduler update.
>>71401393I wished I waited, but some of the purchases were made long ago. I was mainly interested in the Asus Xonar SE card because I heard it does not have much noise in recording audio and I remembered back in my day a sound card was essential in a build. As for the RAM, I did intend to just have 32GB on 2 sticks, but back in my day it was better to have 2 sticks due to dual channel memory than one large stick, and the processor motherboard I already had seems to be a quad channel memory thing, so I ended up getting more sticks of RAM.
>>71401556Oh, you already bought that board and CPU when Zen2 was just around the corner? That sucks.
>>71401500Not him but didn't AMD's own graph show Intel still had the lead? I mean its like a 2% lead, but its still a lead.
>>71401695Win some, lose some, equal in others.I'd say its more like equal in games, we need to see more numbers, 0.1%s etc.
>>71401695Pre Windows updates pre security updates. I find it funny how people are underplaying the fact that Intel's retarded security fixes require you to disable HALF THE FUCKING THREADS. Why the fuck are you cunts still defending this dick sucking company? They stagnated the CPU market for years after breaking the law multiple fucking times and you stupid cunts are still defending them after years of fuck ups and shitting on consumers. Just shut the fuck up
>>71401695Was about the same, but that was without the new scheduler update and without enabling security fixes on Intel which lowers Intel performance/AMD was sand bagging so the independent reviews look even more positive for them and crushing for Intel.And even if they were simply even, X570 is a better platform, and Zen2 is far cooler and lower power.
>3950x and 2080 ti super overclocked on custom loops
Hey guys. Just build my first gaming comp. My CPU is running hot af, but I'm not sure if my Speccy readings are correct. Am I reading this correctly, are the AMD and Speccy reports coming up with different temps? I've changed the thermal paste from the stock on the heatsink, but the temp never changed. Any suggestions?
>>71401839>that pic Oy vey...
>>71402046speccy doesn't work with amd
>>71402046Really.Which do you think is most likely to be correct, the official tool or the abandonware?
Will I be able to run a 3900x with a MSI B450m Mortar? It'll be at stock only, no OC.
>>71402143Maybe, with airflow on the VRM.
>>71402119Honestly I was just asking a simple question. Never had problems with Speccy on my old comp. But again I'm reading that 90C on the right, of PTC, that's a fine temp there? 200F seems a bit toasty for a CPU.
>>71402160PTC is just showing you the temp limit where it shuts down.
It's almost time guys, the waiting finally paid off. Say what you want about Intel, but the 2600k was a damn fine processor. This little guy lasted me years, bought it back in 2011 and it's still putting up a fight to this day. I haven't owned a AMD chip since the Athlon 64 days, looking forward to upgrading.
So, since Navi turned out to be shit, will the 1660ti last me a couple years at 1080p?
>>71402196Thank you bud I appreciate you!
Some weirdo wants to trade an i7 8700k for my 2500k, I don't know why, but it's a good deal I think.What's a good motherboard to get?
>>71402215had a 2600how much I wish it had lasted a year more>>71402246memory wise you may be meme'd upon but yes, 5y ezpz
>>71402272>memory wise you may be meme'd upon but yes, 5y ezpzNot him but what if I only wanna play wow classic at 1440p 144hz, it should make it because toaster game right?
I want to upgrade my monitor (and thus my GPU) in a few months. What would you suggest between 1440p 120Hz and 4K 60Hz and what size? My usual viewing distance is 80cm to 1m.
wish the 3950x cpu was $100 cheaper, I would get it then but $749 is too expensive for me in general
>>71402983It's not like you even have a use for 16 cores.
what's the best GPU I can buy for under 700€?
Why aren't directional wifi adapters a thing?If I'm using a PC, the direction towards the modem isn't going to change, so it'd be great if I could take advantage of this by lensing the signal.
>>71403038hehehehe he posted le eBic Bol froB meme xDDD
Will you be able to install windows 7 on the 3000 ryzen CPUs?I know it works for the 2000 CPUs since all you do is manually install them through usb on boot, is it the same for the ZEN 2 processors?
>>71403095You can, yes, but really why would you?Just get a higher gauge tinfoil hat if you're that way inclined.
>>71403095The 'W10 is bad' is old as shit.If you just modify it a bit after install like any person who can breathe, it's fine.
>>71403227>Windows 10 isn't bad, you just have to modify it to make it bearabletalk about copedo you also buy intel cpus?
Dumb question but how do cards like sapphire nitro+ cool the card? Do the fans suck up air from the bottom, or do they pull the air through the rad from the top?
>>71403306Nope but you can project your dead OS
>>71403083we get it, you're an oldfag and no meme is ever good enough for you anymore
I'm new to PC building and this might be a dumb question. I've had my PC pretty much put together for the past month but I haven't used it as I'm waiting for the Navi next month. I've been thinking about replacing my B450 micro ATX motherboard in order to get one with 2 pci slots. Can I just switch out the processor just like that? It's a ryzen 5 2600 and it came with thermal paste pre-applied. Also while I'm being new and dumb, will the Navi be compatible with pic related?
Any of you niggas ebay? Wanted to upgrade from my 10-liner auction script and looked around on the internet.Found this project nobody on the internet really talks about:https://sourceforge.net/projects/esniper/Funny because it looks like it's been updated for 20 years. I saw a few anons in the archive mention using it.
>>71403622>get one with 2 pci slotsWhy? You won't have enough lanes to use them anyway.Also, that board is trash.
>>71403659I wanted to get rid of my wifi adapter and add one to the board. I'm not using a wired connection to my modem.
>>71403711Get an actually good board that has built in wifi then, like B450M Gaming Pro Carbon AC.
https://www.eteknix.com/amd-asus-x570-motherboard-price-leak-is-worryingly-high/Now if only we could stop Asus jewing.
>>71403728It does show that the manufacturers see Zen2 as where the premium builder money is going this gen.Still, fuck asus their shit is always overpriced and underwhelming.
>>71403711old pci? you can get pci-e to pci adapters on the internet.>>71403728wise man once saidonly retards buy new things at launch price
I wonder how many years i'm going to stick with my 1080 Ti. I pre-ordered it at MSRP.At 769 the 1080 TI was fucking amazing.
>>71403728>Asus onlyKek, literally every mobo manufacturer has crazy af prices. x570 was literally made for former Intel buyers
>>71403726Thanks for that recommendation, Anon. I think I'll just buy that board instead. Now about the Navi being compatible? Again, sorry for being new and dumb.
>>71403822Yes all the incoming new hardware will work fine.
>>71403844Ah that's great. Thanks again for the help.
>>71403792Yeah, I think the days of AMD having cheaper boards than Intel is gone now.
>>71403900X470 is confirmed to be in extended production to fill the budget gap at least until B550 comes. Wouldn't be surprised if B550 just ends up being a X470 rebrand.
>>71403900So long as AMD commits to one socket for a while (unlike Intel LMAO) mainstream motherboards will always be cheaper than Intel due to supply.And before you ask anyone that buys an X570 is probably retarded or a shill.
>>71403931Isn't the only selling point of the x570 the pcie4.0, which really is useless atm.
>>71403792951$$$$ WOW who would buy that?
>>71403844Wait, will I have no problem just moving the processor over? I haven't even used the PC yet, just turned it on once to make sure everything was fine.
>>71403972Yes it's a retarded gamble with no payoff. Focus your efforts on getting an open box B450/X470 on ebay and spend more budget on performance that matters.
>>71404014>Remove cooler>Clean CPU and cooler>Put CPU in new mobo>Apply thermal paste>Place coolerThat's pretty much it
>>71404053Thanks yet again, Anon.
Current computer is in it's death throes. I'm looking to build an entire PC minus a graphics card and better monitor while I wait for the supposed Super series of GeForce cards, or Navi. That's said, i5-9400f? Or R5-2600?(non X). The former is $130 and the latter $160 at microcenter. I want to game at 144HZ 1080p on high to ultra for a few years at least
>>71404287Can you really not wait 3 weeks? The obvious choice for a 1080/144 build is a r5 3600.
>>71400258>best cheap gaming platformstill 9400f>best mid-range gaming/work platformstill 8700k with proper cooling/mobo for overclocking
Let's go over the facts, shall we:Intel>some vulnerabilities found, but ALL of them have since been patched>Intel ME has been locked down, audited by security experts, and is no longer a security risk>patches have NEGLIGIBLE impact on gaming>storage IO takes a slight hit >much higher clocks (better for older games)>much lower core and cache latencies (very important for gaming)>more industry-adopted instruction sets, better optimization in Unreal Engine, Unity, Frostbite, etc.>uses less power-per-clock and has better frequency-to-voltage characteristics (why Intel will always hit 5.0GHz and AMD will never be able to)AMD>Ryzenfall and 12 other vulnerabilities STILL NOT COMPLETELY FIXED>PSP has been fully compromised and gives attackers complete access to all parts of an AMD CPU; AMD REFUSES TO DISABLE PSP ON ANY RYZEN CPU>has performance loss with its already lower IPC (turning a shit hatchback into a shittier hatchback)>literally slower NVMe throughput by default because AMD can't into IO queuing optimizations>lower clocks than Intel's First Gen Core architecture>almost twice or three times the latency depending on which cores are accessing which cache; made even worse with multi-die Ryzens (like all of the Ryzen 3000s)>literally no one optimizes for AMD's instruction sets; locked out of the instruction sets the games industry uses>uses far more power per watt because Infinity Fabric eats power the higher you clock it (guess what was exponentially increased on Ryzen 3000...)Other notes - PCIe Gen 4 literally doesn't matter>storage IO loss literally doesn't matter for gaming because 99.99% of games doesn't come close to using a tenth of an NVMe drive's IO throughput>4K 144hz gaming doesn't even saturate PCIe 3.0 x8
>>71404314>biggest retard on /g/still you
>>71404325>t. drooling brand zealot
>>71404303PC is dying right now, not in 3 weeks. If I'm out a desktop, I'll have to rely on my shitty 1366x768 laptop for school and online materials. If I build now even only using my spare GT210, it's still far superior.
I have an i5 4670k, 16GB DDR3, and a GTX 780. What's the minimum upgrade needed to run VR and 144Hz 1440p? Can I get away with just changing the GPU?
>>71404403No fucking way can you run that on a threadlet CPU.
>>71404334>>71404354Try refuting this. You can't? Oh that sucks.AMD shills btfo
>>71404350>If I'm out a desktop, I'll have to rely on my shitty 1366x768 laptop for school and online materials.And? You'll live.
@71404420Why even bother to "refute" what you know yourself to be a bunch of gross exaggerations, understatements and general cope?
>>71404486>general cope?You know what's cope? Failing to admit that your stance is wrong despite the facts proving you wrong.Keep shilling shit companies.
>1903 scheduler update is in the preview build>it doesn't fucking work for fucking Chrome of all things>there are a fuck ton of games that don't see any performance gains>ARMA is still jumping between different CCXesThe only good thing I can say about this scheduler is that it's placebo effect makes you feel better about owning Ryzen. DX11 games still run like shit on this update.
@71404503>factsConjecture, assumptions and underplaying reality are not "facts".
>>71404519Dismissing facts as conjecture, assumptions and underplaying reality is cope.
>>71404507>1903 scheduler update is in the preview buildIt requires updated chipset drivers that aren't released yet.
>>71404526some of them have been released
>>71404548They have not. It's all still the 19.10 driver that's been available since early may.
>>71404412Fuck.Would switching the i5 for a i7 4770k/4790k suffice? I'd rather avoid having to make a whole new build.
3000 or 3200 for the R5 3600X? And CL16 should still be good right?
>>71404581Yes it would delay the need for a new build, IF you can find one used for 200 or less.
>>71404627Welp, guess I'll have to eat ramen for a month then.
>>71404613Good. What about the GPU? I've yet to dwelve into the whole new AMD shenanigans, are they gonna threaten the green jew?
>>71404627so memory with speeds higher than 3733 are worse?
>>71404906In most situations, yes.If your workload is heavily dependant on memory bandwidth, going higher is worth it.3733 with tightest possible timings will generally be the best setup.
>>71404906It's fucking nanosecond difference, none of it ever matters.
rtx 2070 or used 1080ti? or wait for super series?
>>71404943At this point waiting is the best choice whatever you're going to buy>older GPU will drop in price>new GPU will offer some increase in performance
>>71404930your a big goy
Guys, I bought an used mobo because I'm short on money and even if I wasn't, new stuff is too expensive in this.So, the thing is, it came with some rust in the mobo audio jack, but it's the only place I found rust, and the rest is all clean from dust too.Is it much of a problem? I'm going to have trouble with it in the future? Could it fry my board?Pic related is mobo
>>71405015>completing: in this countryPic related is cpu socket by comparison
>>71405051Those caps don't look good. Lots of corrosion going on in general.I wouln't use it.
>>71400332I have a Radeon VII + Ryzen 2700 build (got the 2700 very very cheap), works fine for 4K 60 fps all settings max in pretty much everything. I have a 144Hz 4K monitor though (Acer XV273K) so I dial down some settings to achieve 80+ fps. FOSS GNU/Linux drivers are a big plus too.Only complaint is that Radeon VII runs hot and a bit loud. Overall, no regrets as paying the same for a 8GB 2080 would've been flat out stupid whereas the 2080Ti is too expensive for what it provides - would maybe give you 75 instead of 60 fps for 2x the price.
>>71405077Shit, I got ripped off
>>71405159I mean, how old is it? It's somewhat expected wear if you live near the ocean and it gets humid. After a few years of use you'll see some corrosion. You can take a chance with it, but I wouldn't use it.
Ryzen 3 2200GCorsair vengeance LPX 16GB ddr4 3000mhz (2x8) RAMGigabyte B450M DS3H motherboardSamsung 860 evo 250GB SSDCorsair or any cheap 500w PSULG 22 inch FHD monitor 22MP68VQCabinet Corsair spec 01I will be getting a GPU in the month of September or October. I will be trying to get GTX 1660TI if I am able to save enough or else I'll get a GTX 1660.The motherboard I mentioned does support overclocking CPU and RAM, right?Is there anything I can change for cost cutting without having to compromise on quality or reliability of components?
>>71405211buy the gpu usedif you want to wait until 7/7 you can buy my 2400g cheap lel
>>71405257If they are going to sell 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs from 7/7 then I am willing to wait. If it's not the case then I am going to buy my PC in the next week.A friend suggested me to get Ryzen 5 1500x and GT 710 GPU till I am able to save enough for GTX 1660TI.
I think I'm just gonna wait until hdmi 2.1 gpus are out and combine with a lg 4k 120hz oled for comfy tbqh ladsany opinions on this. who else waiting
>>71405507I have another issue bros.So I run a very nice Integra receiver with 5.1 surround sound. My 470 causes the speakers to get some annoying sound feedback whenever it starts working hard. Will the RVII or 2080i be better at sound deadening?
>>71405656If you can use optical/toslink for audio instead of HDMI, i'd recommend it.I don't like using GPUs for audio.
Was thinking of upgrading my video card to the rx 580, I've had this computer for 8 years and no issues or problems
>>71405806pretty much any GPU you buy will be held back by that ancient CPU.
Is the fan on wraith prism replaceable?
>>71404943DONT listen to that fucking retard telling you to wait. If you can find a 1080ti for a good price, snap it up without thought. Whatever jewvidia releases is going to be fucking irrelevant, since they have literally 0 reason to release any sort of advanced tech. Be certain that super is for shareholders - not you - so ignore it as the irrelevant trash that it is. BUY USED.
>>71405827So, add the ryzen 1700?
>>71405860adding ryzen 1700 means adding DDR4 RAM, and a new motherboard. At the same time, you'd probably want to replace the power supply unless it's newer than the rest of the system.It goes from a $250-300 upgrade with just the RX 580, to a $600+ upgrade.
Will RAM prices keep dropping?Also, I have a HD6850 and want to upgrade, however everything is way too much €€€, so I was thinking about a used 960-2GB or the like. Should I? Is there a better alternative and/or what's the best brand? I remember something about MSI being the go-to with gtx 9xx.Many thanks anon.
>>71405878Fuck! Wasn't thinking about a new computer.... What graphics card do you have think where it improves what I currently have?
>>71405887>Will RAM prices keep dropping?no, they're already cutting future production because demand isn't keeping up with supply, so expect the production to lower, supply to drop, demand to match supply, and prices to stabilize, or even go up slightly.
>>71405893Just get a used RX570
>>71405893Literally anything you buy modern will be held back by your CPU/platform
>>71405911I'll just stick with what I have now then while I'm in school. Get the new Xbox scarlett next year to play AAA
>>71405901Thanks for the fast response, anon.
I already have 1 ddr4 stick of ram.If I buy another stick with the same cas timings, same frequency and same voltage, but from a different brand, will they work together?
>>7140601299.9% yes0.1% no
>>71400258Does anyone know of an ATX pc case that has at least 4 FRONT-FACING usb ports that aren't all the way at the top of the case or behind some useless plastic door?It is very hard to find something with this simple requirement, since every case nowadays has a giant piece of smooth tempered glass or plastic taking up the entire front panel with no room for expansion or usb ports.So far the only atx case I have found with this feature is Cooler Master's N600, as well some OEM cases that are a pain in the ass to find seperately. Pic related is basically what I'm interested in.
>>71406058Thermaltake Core G3 and some others from this series I think come with 4 front USB ports.
As far as top of the line x470 boards go, is Asus VII Hero still the best? I was reading that their Intel boards had a lot of issues. Things like weird VRM phases and screws that had loctite put on them. I'm hoping none of that went into their AMD boards.
>>71405841You're the retard: waiting for new releases means that older models get a discount and the second hand market gets flooded of perfectly fine cards at ridiculous prices because actual retards must have the latest greatest bestest technology no matter what and want to get back some money out the card they bought less than a year before. It's a win-win regardless of your purchase choice.
What's /g/eee opinion on Corsair LPX? (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)I bought g.skill aegis and they outright refused to POST so now im on a single stick of g.skill value 2400mhz 17-19-19-39 (which i tuned so far to 2667mhz 16-18-18-38)
I hope the SUPER Rtx rumors are true. If they are, my next pc will be AMD+nvidia
>>71406690It is true. Eveything but the 2080 Ti Super will launch mid June. The 2080 Ti super will most likely launch at gamescom because nvidia for whatever reason loves gamescom. They "older" ones will become cheaper
>>71406826If all this turns out to be good, I'll get a 3900x and a rtx 2080. That ought to run 1440p 144hz nicely.
>>71406142>Thermaltake Core G3Thanks anon, that's a super loooong case. Unfortunately, it has the usb ports super high up on the top of the case, and its slimline factor probably won't fit this giant air cooler I had in mind.
I mean, the only thing potentially interesting about super is that for the first time since gtx900 series, nvidia is offering unlocked cards. That is reason alone to pay attention, prices are still insane but I guarantee that 3rd party modders would throw huge amount of support and variants since Navi and vega boards still have locked bios and are getting rid of power tables. We would see plenty of variants in a year.
>>71406055will they run in dual channel?
>>71407344alright im gonna risk it then, thanks
Me want to build gayman computah, been waiting since april, I finally have a budget to work with after wageslaving for 10 hours a day every day.Ive got 1000CAD + a little bit extra to work with.Not sure if price drops have happened yet with the new zen shit announcements, technically i cant wait till September cause that when i can transfer my destiny 2 shit to pc, but my mental illness tells me I should buy and build a pc right now, even though i barely have time to shit and eat during the week due to work.
>>71404319Wow you can just see the Intel buyer's remorse here in full force
>>71408053I think the die matters too in this situation, if it's different dies you might have issues.
>>71407228I'll think about it some more. But why do you need so many?`Have you thought about using a 5.25 adapter? If the case comes with an opticaal drive bay you culd simply drop in something like the Silverstone FP56 or F59 and have lots more USB ports at the front.
If you thought X570 boards were expensive...X590 is coming with more PCI-E lanes.
>>71408067https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Nyf86si'm not a leaf so idk about your usual prices, but this looks pretty good for me, if 80 bucks is too much over, either drop back to a 1660 ti or and 80+ bronze psu, but this should be the best bang for the buck
Is there a recommended cheap modular PSU around the 550W range and preferably under 100 bucks? I have an 550 Chieftec random shit, it does well, but soon will upgrade to a 3700x and maybe a Navi, I guess the power limit is the same as my i5 6500 plus RX 480 rig now, but I want the modularity. Also would you get a new PSU in this case? Or just use the current one that is 3.5 years old until it dies?
what would be the best ryzen 3000 cpu for gaming?
>>71408507the most expensive one obviously?
I'm about to get into the SFF meme with my second Ryzen CPU which i just bought on a budgetPretty excitedAs long as the thing is lightweight, runs smooth and plays muh vidya in low/mid settings i'll be happy, i paid like 230 bucks for the hardware and then again 40 bucks for the refurbished GPU
>>71408477https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WrNypg/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-650fxPersonally I'd go with a seasonic since I always shill them but this is also goodhttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/y88H99/evga-supernova-g3-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0650I put 650w cause your PSU runs at a greater effeciency at half load rather than say 70%. So it's better to go bigger.>just use the current one that is 3.5 years old until it dies?Long story short no. And considering your PSU is some random let's not risk it blowing up and frying the rest of your pc components.It's safer to replace every 5 years but good PSUs can last you 10year +.I'm not gonna go into technicals about checking your voltage ripple and shit but just get a new PSU so you atleast have a quality part driving your expensive pc.
>>71408589>I'm about to get into the SFF meme Would you like RGB with that purchase? Followed by thermal throttling and homosexuality?
>>714085073700x or 3800x, but it'll depend on whether PBO makes the 3700x just as competitive.
>>71408624Kek the case actually has Rgb funny enoughAs for the other thing it has good airflow and a semi-open design so that's a no brainer
Am I confirmed silicon lottery millionaire?
>>71408695what sort of loads have you stressed it with, and for how long.
>>71408695No that's typical for later produced chips.
>>71408739~20 min prime95 small FFT
>>71408682>Kek the case actually has Rgb funny enough>As for the other thing it has good airflow and a semi-open design so that's a no brainer
>>71408507If you can afford it, all indications are that the 3950X is "the best", but the 3800X is still better than a 9900k while being cheaper and cheaper to get the most out of.>>71408695Idk.I get 3.7GHz @ 1.0825v on my 1600X. I can do 3.9 @ 1.2 as well.But for a non-X at least, which are like 3.5% worse binned, yeah I guess.
>>71408605Expected this answer. I imagined they would be fine at their rated efficiency which is 80, but whatever. I don't think a Chieftec will fry my mobo, but I probably get a new PSU with the new rig. Thanks for the recommendations.
Does CPU really matter at 3440x1440? I’m currently using an 8400 with an rtx 2060 and it’s pretty decent. I want to upgrade the GPU but I’m worried the 8400 won’t keep up.
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>>71408867Nah 2060 isn't powerful enough to bottleneck a 8400 at 1440p
what build will give me the most niggaflops?
>>71408846their rated efficiency which is 80The rating of 80. Doesn't mean they run better at 80% load..the 80% is pertaining to how well it converts the energy. So basically you lose 20% of the energy via the transformation of AC to DC(I could be getting this part wrong. Someone please correct me if so).But what else I said is right. It uses 80% of the electricity it draws. The rest is dissipated through heat and electronic magic.
>>71408867it depends on the game really and what fps you're targetingyou can upgrade your gpu and then compare your fps with what reviewers get on their test benchesif you get lower then you know the cpu is limiting
>>71408934I know that, but I have the chance to snag a 2080 for cheap, would it cripple a 2080?
>>71408950>what build will give me the most niggaflops?Your gonna have to go with an all black theme with the cheapest parts you can find on the market. You get increased niggerflops the cheaper you build. You niggaflops also grow exponentially the more Jerry rigged your pc is(cardboard case, stripped wiring, etc.).Mind you all these parts most be either stolen or salvaged from the scrap yard.Happy building you filthy nigga.
>>71405806>>71405893Like the other anon said, RX 570 is fine. You'll mostly get acceptable framerates, but sometimes the FX CPU will hold you back. For instance you can't play PUBG with an FX CPU
>>71408963Okay, well the ones you recommended are more expensive here than I though, although I see that ram prices fell like a rock and since I go with a 3700x anyway I would rather save money on the ram being 3200 cl16 and get a better PSU. I guess this will be it.
>>71408997there's no magical bottleneck formula it depends entirely on how CPU heavy each particular game is
>>71408997A 2080 is fine with an 8400 at 1440p UW
>>71408172i checked and they both appear to be sk hynix so I think im ok?
>>71404627Will 3600 CL16 make a big difference against 3200 CL16? Is it worth almost double the price?
>>71409197bruh you can get a kit at that speed for $100
Would you buy this monitor?ASUS 25" PG258Q ROG Swift
>>71409057Great stuff. If you wanna save even more try getting a used ram.Ram and CPU are like the most resilient pc parts. Failures with those are down to manufacturing flaws that present themselves within the 1st or 2nd year. That's why they offer lifetime warranties on ram.So get used ram if you can find for like half the price dude.Knowing you have quality parts feels really neat dude.
>>71409226Really? Fuck!It's about 170 euromonies for a kit of 2x8GB 3600 CL 16 in yuropoorIt's about 90 for 2x8GB 3200 CL16 or about 180 for 2x16GB
>>71408460any difference between what you listed and the 450 tomahawk ive seen shilled everywhere?I already got 4x4 ram so i can drop the ripjaws untill i want to upgrade for some reason.Might splurge a bit for 1tb ss, or might just get the m2 like you showed and suplement it with a 250gb ssd that some guy on kijiji is selling for 70 leafs.Got a 750w gold psu for 75 leafs on kijiji aswell.Not sure about the case yet, my friend has a few extra chink rgb fans, so i might want a seethrough pane.Still not sure about the gpu yet, people say good things about the vega 56, but i also kinda want a fucking monster to mog my friends who said i would forever be a console peasant. Nothing too big maybe a rtx2070 for some raytraced minecraft memes, Might wait a bit longer for some sales, probably wont happen but i can hope.
>>71409251I guess, but i'd probably get whatever the cheapest 240hz monitor is.pretty sure they all use the same panel.
>>71409296Around $150 US. But you can get 3200CL14 which is better for $125.>>71409323Yep, those are probably all the same panel, at a glance.1440@120 is better, though, unless all you play is CSGO.
>>71409296get 3200 cl16 ram and OC it, you can probably take it pretty far as well if you tried hard enoughI got mine to cl14 easily, waiting for the 3600x to drop before I really go at it though
>>71409328Thanks anon, but reading some the Amazon reviews is making me squeamish. I won't have an AM4 board until July so I won't be able to test if the timings and speeds are as advertised and send it back.>>71409341Okay, so it's not that much of a difference.>>71409369This seems to be the better option. Thanks anon! I may as well get the 2x16 kit in that case. Now I just need to decide whether I'm getting the 3600 or 3700x (upgrading my ITX machine and I'm more inclined to that 65W TDP).
>>71409328or this, even cheaper, 3733c17 for under 100 eurobuxhttps://www.alternate.de/Patriot/DIMM-16-GB-DDR4-3733-Kit-Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1528100?event=search
>>71409531You can't compare results on 1st gen ryzen, the memory controller is completely different. Getting over 3466 on that took serious effort, not the plug and play compatibility Zen2 will have.
Are there any online shops like computeruniverse in deutschland?
>>71409593No idea what that is or what's special about it but mindfactory and alternate seem to be most popular in krautland.
>>71409539Looks like Alternate makes you buy from their regional site if they have one (Belgium in my case) and it doesn't even look like they have that particular kit. Damn.>>71409558Hmm... I guess I'll re-look into that Amazon entry again. Thanks anon!
>>71409558Yep. We also don't know how much it will (or won't) like dual rank. Not that you can even get 8GB sticks in DR, but still.>>71409539And 3733CL17 is even slower than 3200CL14 than 3600CL16 is. Fuck you guys are dumbass memers.
>>71409531Strictly for gaming you should be better with the 3600, but if you ever want to do something more cpu intensive, like re encode your porn collection or anything like that, get the more cores.
>>71409687>Not that you can even get 8GB sticks in DRYes, you can. Lots of older 3000+ kits used it.
>>71409727I will be doing some encoding and re-encoding and I do use VM's for some testing once in a while. I'm just not sure if I'll be doing it enough to warrant the additional cost. I still have some time to decide. Thanks!
Will PCIe4.0 support existing Nvidia Turing videocards?
>>71409911no because amd doesnt want their mobos to be compatible with themalso yes because above is illegal
Sort of related questionI need a mouse for my dad, he has nerve damage in hand so he basically can't feel anything. What's a good large and heavy mouse? 4 or 5 button w wheel preferably.
>>71410069that gtx a shitwhat monitor you gotmobo too?
What's better name?RTX 2080 SuperRTX-s 2080RTX 2080S
>>71410236RTX 2080 Super.
>>71410236For me it'sNvidia Super 2080 RTX
>>71410236Super RTX # is more likely
>>71410236gotta remember theres a TI version tooso it will likely be the most simplistic super rtx 2080ti
>>71410236This is starting to sound like car names.How about Nvidia 2080 EVO Competizione Superleggera?
I can get a new Vega 56 Pulse for 300 EUR, same price as most 1660 Ti's around here.Buying a second-hand reference card and getting the Morpheus cooler for it would cost the same, again, but no 24mo warranty that way.Is it a good deal (for EU) ?
>>71410236ASUS Super GeForce RTX 2080 Turbo Ti
I was hoping the 2700x would keep coming down in price but it looks like its stuck at $280. Which is still a damn good deal but I was hoping for it to go lower.
so i bought a 9700k awhile ago before all this news are the new amd cpus gonna be that much better?still in the return window
>>71410296>Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 ti EVO Competizione Superleggera Stradale SSeven better
>>71410320>STihey this is actually pretty good
>>71410320>>71410327>Nvidia RTX 2080>Nvidia RTX 2080S>Nvidia RTX 2080STiIt fits perfectly
>>71410314zen 2 hasn't been released yetonce it's released i expect 2700x to drop another $50 or so
>>71410361This would be amazing if it did. I really like zen2 but if I can get a 2700x for around $230, that's one hell of a deal.
>>71410314You best bet is that a lot of people will get rid of their barely used cpus you can get all kinds of recent ones for dirt cheap.
>>71410236>RTX 2080 SuperThat>>71410320>>71410356You fucking /v/irgins don't even know what an STI is
If you're looking to build a budget, most bang for your buck kind of PC that is not supposed to do anything fancy except the very occasional gaymen is the ryzen 5 2600 still the value king despite the 3600 being around the corner?I take it the 3600 is going to be at least 200€ at release and I've already seen some deals for the 2600 at 120€ with some games I don't want as a cherry on top.It kinda feels stupid to go for the 2600 with zen 2 about to release, but I feel like that objectively it's not worth it to pay 80% more for the 3600.I guess I could wait a few more months until the prices come down, but I've already waited for a long ass time, due to 150€+ memory prices last year and crypto gpu shenanigans. I'm sitting here with a Phenom II x4 955 and 4GB DDR2(!) so it's really about time to upgrade.tl;dr: grab a 2600 on sale or pay more for 3600?
>>71410589how budget do you want to go because an APU seems like the best choice hereanywayany downsides to getting a big 4k TV as a monitor if I sit close to it and use it for non multiplayer games?
>>71410589>is the ryzen 5 2600 still the value kingYes>grab a 2600 on sale or pay more for 3600?Depends on your framerate standards. You can expect a 3600 to have i5 8400/9400F performance in most cases, depending on the particular gamehttps://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_9700K/12.html
>>71410625>big 4k TVIf OLED, burn in. Otherwise you don't want anything bigger than 27" if you're sitting at standard monitor distances
>>71410644I'd imagine the 3600 being better than those since the 2600 already ties those processors.
>>71410660it'd be LED https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/uhd-tvs/40--class-nu7100-smart-4k-uhd-tv-un40nu7100fxza/why is a monitor bigger than 27" bad?
>>71405688Fug I’m so stupid. I thought it was going out optical but it’s going through the HDMI which must mean there’s a shitty DAC getting noise pollution. I’ll try an optical and move to my receivers DAC
>>71410695>LEDReally anon? Are you from the 90s?>why is a monitor bigger than 27" bad?Do you not have a neck?
these monitors gonna save the shitty gaming monitor market or what??https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lg-ultragear-nano-ips-gaming-monitors-38gl950g-27gl850,39635.html
>>71410695It's awkward, like sitting in the front row at IMAX>>71410690>since the 2600 already ties those processorsNot really. I have an R5 2600 but not because it currently is as good on average as an i5 8400. In the future I'm betting it'll close the gap, considering they're pretty close now and new consoles will be Zen
got my d15s in :3
Are there any B450 mobos that support 3600mhz RAM?
>>71410794The mobo has very little impact on the RAM support. Using different topology and better tracing can allow an extra speed grade increase but the real limiter is the CPU's IMC.It's extremely likely all but the very worst will support 4000+ with Zen2.
I've spent most of today doing research on building my first PCI grew up on consoles and I don't feel like having to buy a brand new one every few years just so I can play the 2 or 3 games a generation that actually interest me (also a larger selection of small time games on PC and I'm due for an upgrade anyway) I used pc part picker and logical increments to put together a parts list.the most strenuous thing I'd do on it would probably be gaming but I'm not a 4K or bust kinda guy. I'm also going to use programs like NX and Autodesk Inventor from time to time.How does this part list look? I have no fucking idea what I'm doing so some criticism is very welcome
>>71410828Why do different mobos list different supported RAM frequencies then? There are some where the manufacturer doesn't think it will even do 3000...
>>71410853>spent most of a day "researching">somehow landed on the 8700 wow
>>71410740I can't really get excited about IPS, considering edge backlight bleed and glow/contrast. ASUS Tuf monitors have the right idea with ELMB sync, I just need them to release a 27" VA now
>>71410862It is simply all they could be bothered to validate before release.
>>71410853>logical incrementsGarbageIf you can just wait a month for new CPUs and graphics cards. If you really can't wait, your build is fine, but get a cheaper cooler and an SSD.
>>71410853Wait a month for the new Ryzen.Get a 500 GB SSD for OS+software+games. Get a 4TB HDD to hoard data.Do NOT fucking build a PC without an SSD. Not having an SSD today is simply unimaginable.CPU cooler is not necessary, especially with AMD. Their stock coolers are decent, unlike Intel's which are complete ass.
>>71411062The cooler that comes with the 2600x is kinda loud at full speed.
>>71411089Well sure he can buy one later if he really needs it, but for starting it feels like an unnecessary expense.
>>71411122It's worth mentioning that its worth buying one if you care about noise. On the otherhand we don't know that much about the Ryzen 2 coolers.
>>71411152>On the otherhand we don't know that much about the Ryzen 2 coolers.Ther's nothing we don't know about them, they're the same.
Is there a good mATX that will support the r7 3800x? Don't care about pcie4