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ATTENTION: The Navi RX 5700XT (499USD) and RX 5700 (379USD) will launch alongside Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 on 7/7/2019.

>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>i7 8700 or 9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS
>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard
>RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
1440p
>RTX 2060 - standard
>RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 - standard
>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

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I wish it was July already, I've been a justwaitfag for years and I'm about done with it
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>>71385897
RTX seper when?
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I can't shake the feeling ryzen isn't going to live up to the hype. AMD has fooled me before.
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Am I good to just buy shit in July then, or are people going to be screaming about how we need to wait till September etc?

I am considering going with a Ryzen 3700X (or whichever the 8 core version is) and an RTX 2070.
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why is 32gb of ram not good?
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>>71386068
Mostly dual ranks. Not easy to get good OCs. Maybe higher density chips coming later this year will be better.
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>>71385822
That's what I said. What are you trying to say?

>>71385901
Sometimes.

>>71386055
Yes, you're good to just buy in July after trustworthy independent reviews come.

>>71386075
Eh dual rank doesn't clock as high, but you get better performance per clock.
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>>71386055
Dude wait. See what Intel responds with.
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Can I buy lower clocked RAM and OC it to the 4000+ MHz that Zen 2 is going to need?
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>>71386097
It's like edging, but with your bank account
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>>71386094
>Sometimes.
Specifically the Thermaltake Core V71
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>>71386094
>Eh dual rank doesn't clock as high, but you get better performance per clock.
Haha what? You get lower clocks and almost always looser timings. There's no benefit to capacity unless you use it unlike latency
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https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-2070-rog-strix-rtx2070-8g-gaming/p/N82E16814126270?

The 5700XT is literally DOA
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When is Jewdvia expected to announce the new "super" cards?
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>>71386139
Now this is a good deal.
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Vega 56 almost entirely sold out at Newegg. I told you guys the best time to buy a GPU, as always, is during sales to clear inventory for the new upcoming releases.

>>71386097
Intel has no possible response.
Best they can do is add 2 more of their shitty cores to make a 10 core that's still worse than a Zen2 8 core, let alone their 12 or 16 core.

They'd need a new architecture, with non-shitty SMT licensed from IBM or AMD, double the cache, twice as fast context switching, etc. It's going to be YEARS before they have a response to Zen2, and they'll still be behind because Zen4 or Zen5 will be out then.

>>71386100
Is this bait? There is no indication that Zen 2 needs 4000MHz RAM, except for that ban evader's blatant lies that he keeps spreading on /g/.
I can't find the endnotes for the E3 slides, but I'm guessing memory was 3200CL16 for both unlocked Intel and AMD CPUs.

>>71386126
K, you can't read. I won't bother repeating.

>>71386139
That's a nice sale price for a good model of card as far as what you can buy today. Yet, still more expensive for something that's slower.

>>71386123
>front 3.5" hdd bay
holy shit 2005 is here again

>>71386210
This year.
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>>71386249
>That's a nice sale price for a good model of card as far as what you can buy today. Yet, still more expensive for something that's slower.

$30 off coupon
$30 mail in rebate

It's literally $450. And the custom cards usually push like 5% more performance over reference/FE thanks to better cooling and the Turing boost/turbo.
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>>71386249
>This year.
fuck i expect to build my pc before September of this year. i'm 100% going to AMD for the CPU, but i still not sure what GPU i'm going to end with. (GTX 2070 - 5700XT are within the budget).

Really hopping they announce something before than then.
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>>71386139
FUUUUUCK i'm now tempted!!! >>71386274
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>>71386249
>best time to buy a GPU
Yeah, sure, buy an old product right before new performance tiers come out. Best time to buy is right at launch. The 5700 is going to have similar price/perf to 300USD V56, while having all the advantages of a new arch and new node
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>>71386274
Yes. $450 for a card that's slower than the $450 5700XT. What wasn't clear? Does being slower not matter when it's Nvidia now, or something?

>>71386306
5700 looks to be around 15% faster than Vega 56 yet costs 26% more. That's worse price:perf.
The $30 of xbox game pass offsets that a bit... but those $300 Vega 56 come with even higher value of resellable games, last I checked.
>Best time to buy is right at launch.
Blatant trolling.
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>>71386331
>believing cherry picked bullshit benchmarks...
Not even a Jewdvia drone, but you have to wait for independent testers to see the actual resuls, plus non reference cards.
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>>71386331
>Yes. $450 for a card that's slower than the $450 5700XT. What wasn't clear? Does being slower not matter when it's Nvidia now, or something?

The 5700XT averaged 6% over an unnamed, probably reference, 2070 in their own benchmarks, which they've been caught in the past picking unusual settings specifically to maximize their performance. We need their full slide deck to verify whether we should even trust their systems, drivers, settings, etc. And that's $450 for a blower. This is $450 for a custom cooler 2070 that's going to be a bit faster than reference and probably on par with the 5700XT anyway. And you can have it now if you want, as opposed to a month from now.
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>>71386282
I doubt 2070 Super will be worthwhile if the $550 rumor is true. But 2060 Super, if the 8GB rumor is true, would be if it's also still $350.

>>71386418
But the reference 2070 is roughly on par with the best factory OC models. lol. It's A-die, and using a vapor chamber cooler. Like holy shit the delusion.

>>71386356
I agree, but AMD's slides have been conservative the past 2 years and generally the independent tests have shown better results.
They tested many Nvidia favored games in that test, for example.

But yeah if only blowers are avail on launch and sent to benchmarkers, that'll be really frustrating.
Presumably at least the 5700 blower is still going to be more quiet than those shitty milled heatsinks on some 160W cards, at least.
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>>71386331
>Does being slower not matter when it's Nvidia now, or something?
Matters when one of the cards is unavailable and unverified. Wow, wait a month for 10% more performance, a $40 value! You must be fucking poor

>resellable games
In your dreams, good luck wasting your obviously worthless time finding someone to buy an account with two games tied to it.

>That's worse price:perf.
Knowing your track record, your numbers are wrong. But who cares if there's a slight different in price/perf considering perf/watt and absolute performance differences?
>b-b-b-b-but the housefire is an inconsequentially better value!!1!
Buying on launch is always the best time to buy
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>>71385897
>The Navi RX 5700XT (499USD)
Whoops, price is wrong. Should be 449USD
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Hmm, would you risk the house fire for a vega64 blower at this point? The post miners used market heating up.
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>>71386097
intel wont do shit till 11th gen
10th gen won't even have mds fixes
plus they retired their hedt line
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>>71386249
>>71386331
>>71386429

>AMD shill tries the patented JUST WAIT(tm) on people discussing building PCs right now

You can't make this shit up
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>>71386480
It SHOULD be $349
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>>71386502
>blower
how good are you at setting up chink watercooling loops?
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>>71386430
>In your dreams, good luck wasting your obviously worthless time finding someone to buy an account with two games tied to it.
Many anons have done it, as much as this angers you.
Maybe more will do it, to anger you further. You've been livid over people reselling those games to get a good deal for months now.
I think I'll buy another Radeon card myself, just so I have more games to sell, to further help drive you toward suicide.

>>71386518
And the 2060 should be $250.
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Is the Alienware AW3418DW a good gayming monitor for a rig with a rtx 2080? I'm still debating what monitor to buy but I don't want to spend more than a thousand dollars and I hear 4k is a meme so I thought this looked pretty good.
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>>71386530
>Many anons have done it
No they haven't

>You've been livid over people reselling those games
Absolutely not. I've been fucking your shit up when you misrepresent 1) the value of games and 2) the ease (or lack thereof) with which they can be sold,

all for your marketing endeavors.
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>>71386546
No, you might cut yourself on all that edge.

>>71386583
You know of /r/SteamGameSwap/ already.
You're lying
Kill yourself
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>>71386618
Not everyone is a gilded r3ddit member like you
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>>71385897
Remember Navi will save u....
https://youtu.be/U20bWOj0NHs?t=800
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>>71386717
Does pressure even matter?
I heard static pressure in a case is a huge meme, but why big blades?
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>>71386829
Wow you're an awful shill, hoping no one will actually listening to what he says.

The reason he's not interested is because they're making it more like Pascal where it auto-clocks and you can't do the extreme overclocking like he likes to do.
There is no indication of there being a flashable BIOS and BIOS switch, and past tricks to increase the power limit won't work.

Buildzoid does record-attempt overclocking. Navi, like post-Maxwell Nvidia cards, is appearing to be more locked down.
Vega, Polaris, and past GCN, are fun to tweak. It looks like that's going away.

This doesn't mean he's excited about the RTX cards or Super ones either which have the same issues, you stupid manipulative shill. He even says that
>If I wanted [the restrictions Navi has] I could just buy Nvidia [but I won't]
He has two 1080Tis but he uses Fiji and Polaris in his usual systems.

Holy fuck you're dumb.
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>>71386642
>i can't sell codes coz rebbit bad
Nice job showing your retardation
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>>71386992
>Wow you're an awful shill, hoping no one will actually listening to what he says.
>post a video of the source
>people are free to watch it
>WOW WHAT A SHILL YOU ARE TRYING TO LIE HERE?!
are you insane? Get help man.
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>>71386992
why are amd shills so aggressive, is it because navi is a flop and the stock prices of AMD are falling, so they feel the need to "get to work" so to speak?
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>>71387027
intelkikeshill cry some more.
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>>71387013
Because you said something completely contrary to what he said, you retard. Hoping people don't actually watch it and call you out on it and that they'll just take your sentiment that
>"Navi won't save u"

>>71387027
If Navi is such a flop, why do you have to misrepresent it?
What's your alternative? Since as Buildzoid says in the video: Nvidia is worse.
Shit's off topic.
>42 replies
>18 posters
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I have an i5-4690k that I overclocked to 4.3ghz. my local microcenter is selling r5-1600s for $80 with $30 off when combined with any Mobo. Should I get it with an b350 mother board for $130 and buy 2x 8GB ram for another $70 and wait for Ryzen 3600?
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Any catch to this noctua fan?

I want to know if it's too cheap to be true.

https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-case-fan/p/1YF-000T-000K3?Description=Noctua%20NF-P12%20redux-1700%20PWM%20120mm%20Fan&cm_re=Noctua_NF-P12_redux-1700_PWM_120mm_Fan-_-1YF-000T-000K3-_-Product
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>>71387188
Do you want cheaper CPU or do you want faster and more expensive CPU?
Pretty simple.
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>>71385897
Are there any new high end Nvidia or AMD cards coming out by April 2020? I want to upgrade for CP2077, wondering if I should look for deals over the summer on a 2080ti or wait if AMD is going to release something new
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>>71387238
True-Navi could be on it's way, maybe
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>>71387238
I'd imagine that high-end Navi and 7nm RTX 3000 cards should both be out by then or shortly after.

It would be strange for AMD to not release a RX 5800, and to leave *70 as the highest of a generation. It would also be strange for them to go more than a year without completing a generation's product stack. I'm expecting the RX 5600 later this year, and RX 5800 in H1 of next year.
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If your new pc's do not need optical drives
how do you go about cd's?
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>>71387336
I'm hoping you can make your neurons fire enough to answer that question yourself.
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So boys what do you think? Ryzen 7 or 9?

Ryzen 7 is gonna outlast and outperform Ryzen 5 so it seems like a no brainer if you have the cash. Ryzen 9 seems more speculative because the cores are only useful in a few applications now but the pricing is fair and you get a shitton of cache.

I'm pretty undecided.
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>>71387347
hey ass wipe, no shit you could use external optical drives
but is that your solution then?
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>>71387227
Idk what you mean wouldn't the 1600 be a step above my 4690k@4.3 ghz?
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Trident Z 8GB X 2, 3200Mhz or Dominator 8GB X 2, 3000Mhz?
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>>71387238
Wait for Navi 2.0
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>>71387362
Ryzen 3900X is a pretty good deal if you like to do heavy multitasking, the 3950x isn't really worth it though IMO, $250 for only 4 more cores, 12 is more than enough for most high end applications. But it's only $100 more than the 7. Basically if you can afford the 9 you might as well go for it
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>>71387443
For what?
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>>71387220
That's a standard price for a redux model. It's a no frills package without the anti vibration mounts and various splitters and extension cables that come with the premium models. Exact same fan.
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my gtx 1060 shat itself

do i get rx 590, vega 56 or wait for 5700 ?
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>>71385897
>ATTENTION: The Navi RX 5700XT (499USD) and RX 5700 (379USD) will launch alongside Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 on 7/7/2019.
is /pcbg/ unironically trying to shill those DoA cards?
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>>71387555
Gaming
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>>71387604
>my gtx 1060 shat itself
How did it shit itself?
please provide model.
Also why are you getting amd when you can get far superior cards for cheaper secondhand. All the new shit is overpriced.
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On top of these cards being noisy power suckers with shit price/perf they don't have HDMI 2.1 even though TVs with them are already out. If you're gonna connect a GPU to a TV AMD has an appeal in their strong 4k performance. Yet no HDMI 2.1 means you can't say connect this to one of those new LG TVs and get 120hz.
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I have GTX 770 2gig. Recently bought a BenQ 3440*1440, what's gpu should i get
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>>71387638
>faster than the 2070
>cheaper than the 2070
>DOA
lol
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Should I get
Sapphire vega 56 pulse for 295euros
or
Sapphire vega 64 nitro+ for 426euros
I do value quiet setups and the cooling system on nitro+ is much better, do I spend the extra for a quieter build?
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>>71388096
>cheaper than a horribily overpriced card that everybody said is overpriced
>faster than said card in AMD tested presentation and not from 3rd party reviews
>blower vs good quiet coolers
uh?
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>>71387027
>is it because navi is a flop and the stock prices of AMD are falling
?????????????????????????????????
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>>71387443
Dominator RGB for maximum FPS boost and precise aim.
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>>71388122
You have 2 choices 2070 or 5700xt, i don't care about what ifs that's your choices for the midrange in 2019. Blowers are irrelevant since it will have aib support 2-4 weeks after launch just like nvidia
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>>71388130
and this is with fucking ryzen cpus doing their best to mitigate the damage
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>>71387468
3950x is very obviously compelling for certain use cases like the very popular one of working with 4k HEVC.

The thing about the 8>12 core upgrade is that it's the cheapest PER-CORE and comes with a shitton of cache. So that is a bit compelling.

Biggest drawback seems to be the TDP. Chips running hotter creates a ton of costs that aren't obvious at first glance
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>>71388147
>You have 2 choices 2070 or 5700xt,
I dont really want to support Nvidias stupid prices or Amd stupid prices though. So both cards are kind of a pass.
>Blowers are irrelevant since it will have aib support 2-4 weeks after launch just like nvidia
Actually it takes 1-3months for AIB cards, and thats from their own words.
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>>71388150
>HOLLY DOG IT DROBED 2% IGNORE THE 1500% GAIN OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS
also fun fact nvidias pre market is worse than AMDs today
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>>71388161
>So both cards are kind of a pass.
good they arent made for autistic speds that think we are ever going to see a 250$ flagship ever again
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>>71388209
>Ryzen cpus build some good PR for the company
>GARBAGE GPUS come out and stock drops, but ignore it, pay attention to what happened before we announced DOA GPUS
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>>71388220
>being on the side of the corporations
you got stocks in them or something?
Why are you so angry at the idea of consumers having good and fair prices on their GPUS again?
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>>71388232
AMDs money comes from high margin cpus, not shoestring margin gpus retard, stay poor and stay clueless on investment
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Should I build a flashy RGB case to increase resale value? Does it do that?
I would turn them off for actual use obviously.
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Why is AMD pozzed when it comes to emulation? Ryzen's preformance is awful on cemu.
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>>71388281
disable 1/2 (half) your cores and try again
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If you're stockbrokers looking to banter go to >>>/biz/ or talk to Jessica in the coffee room.
This is /g/ - consumerism. We don't care about the future or the past here only immediate gratification and how pretty the lights can be.
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i'll get a 5700xt "mommy su" anniversary edition just because
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>>71388239
>you got stocks in them or something?
I put my money in anything that will make me rich, and amd has done really well for me so far because they focus on turning a profit rather than running as a charity. That profit goes back into the company in the form of hiring more talent and more R&D to give us better zen/rdna chips then we would get if AMD just spent all their margins making everything cheap as fuck while getting no money to fund future R&D and expansion.

>Why are you so angry at the idea of consumers having good and fair prices on their GPUS again?
because i remember people buying the GTX 280 over HD 4870, GTX 480 over the HD 5870 GTX 780 over R9 290, GTX 1050 ti over RX 570. Your idea of AMD not giving a shit about profit would in the end bankrupt AMD and leave us in a even worse position where nvidia could just charge $2000 for a RTX 2060 and give us 2% increases each year. Just count on nvidia to price drop the 2070 and AMD to respond in kind so we can get a reasonable midrange this generation.
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>>71388281
AMD sucks when it comes to emulation. Who knows, maybe zen2 chips will change that.
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>>71388358
>I put my money in anything that will make me rich, and amd has done really well for me so far because they focus on turning a profit rather than running as a charity.
AND THERE WE HAVE IT!
THE NAVI DEFENDER ADMITS TO HAVING AMD STOCK and the whole reason why he fucking defends it so hard
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>>71388458
Just ignore that part where AMD operating as a charity and going bankrupt as a result is bad for everyone, that is defiantly not important.
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>>71388472
never happened.
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>>71388458
your whole argument is that amd is shit because they arent a ngo, you have a retarded and autistic idea of where money to run a company comes from
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>>71388482
Yes AMD never went bankrupt because they got competent leadership that cares more that AMDs bills can be paid rather than making a autistic neckbeard on a mongolian basket weaving forum happy, so yes you are right it never happened
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>thinking 10 tb's is enough
>see shit like r6, gta, and doom at 50 gigs minimum
how much storage is enough? holy shit
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>>71388690
Why would you need all those meme games installed at once?
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>>71388750
there are photos, videos (that could include movies), and content creator files like .sai paint and adobe shop stuff
there're a ton of ways to fill up your hard drive
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>>71388772
Sure if you hoard useless shit you're never going to look at or play again "just in case".
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>>71387064
Buildzoid's opinion is predicated entirely on overclocking potential. He himself admits performance and cost means nothing to him, only customizable bios. No offense to the man but he's not particularly useful if you're trying to build a PC for anything else than overclocking for benchmarks scores.
Navi 1st gen might surprise people if the independent benchmarks pull a miracle, yet the specs they show, the stats for games they have shown, and the lack of OC features make for a really lackluster GPU launch.
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>>71388804
>names a bunch of other things you can't "play"
>still stuck of vidya
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>>71388913
He's useful if one derives part of their purchase's enjoyment from tinkering around and getting intimate with your unique silicon with varying results. That's quite /g/ to me.
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>>71388118
Pulse is perfectly cool and quiet too the heatsink is huge and the nano pcb helps with cooling. I'd get the 56 since it can pretty much match the stock 64 once you undervolt it. Not really worth spending an extra $130 for like 5% performance gain.
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I haven't updated my asrock mobo for my ryzen 1600 ever since I bought it 2 years ago (I think), do you guys update the BIOS, I haven't run into any issues so far so I was just wondering.
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>>71388937
>look at or
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>>71388989
No reason to mess with BIOS if everything is working fine.
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Used Vega56 or wait(tm) for RX 5700
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>>71388772
And here I thought I was retarded for hoarding 2TB+ of anime
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>>71389027
Wait for Navi and then keep waiting.
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>>71388118
To give you an idea just how cool and quiet the 56 Pulse is here's mine running Witcher 3

These fucking things are amazing once you undervolt them.
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>PCIe 4 for grafics cards
What for
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Will the Asus ROG Strix X470 -F Gaming motherboard be good for the new Ryzen 3000 series?
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>>71389054
Get your hbm clocked up m8
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This might a a weird issue I have. I use an older PC as sort of a repeater, as a temporary solution. So, I share the Wifi trough ethernet. Ever since I hooked the ethernet cable up, I've been having weird a weird shuttering problem. It happens very rarely maybe three times a day at most. The entire system gets really laggy and the audio distorts a lot. This lasts for about 30 seconds, sometimes more. It's unlikely an issue with my OC since it worked stable for months. It's also unlikely to be related to my ethernet situation, but that was the only thing I changed. Could that really be the cause? Makes no sense to me, I don't know what to do.
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>>71387604
I think the 56 is better than the 1660 for 1080p, especially if you can get it only for 30-40 bucks more
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>>71389070
Yes, it's one of the higher end X470s, will even handle a 16 core no problem.
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>>71389054
Delete that garbage software and use HWInfo. It gives much more detail and actually accurate readings.
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In terms of performance in modern games, which is better, an OC RX 590 or a stock Vega56?
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>>71389139
V56 is way, way ahead of the 590. Totally different league.
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>>71386331
Price to performance by what metric. If that's 115fps Vs 100fps but your metric for upgrading is when FPS hits 90 then the 5700 has more than double the room.
Define your fucking terms
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good deal here fellow bongloids
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>>71388983
>Pulse is perfectly cool and quiet too the heatsink is huge and the nano pcb helps with cooling.
I saw it's okay. But nitro+ is a lot better with headroom for overclocking.
>nano pcb helps with cooling
Just the opposite actually, smaller VRM layout, means more focused heat

>I'd get the 56 since it can pretty much match the stock 64 once you undervolt it. Not really worth spending an extra $130 for like 5% performance gain.
It's actually 10% gain.
Realistically the dfifference is about 80-100 euros for extra cooling and quiet operation, I kinda feel it's worth for me, but at the same time I dont want ot over spend.
I have 2 completely conflicting ideas on this.
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>>71389312
If you're gonna spend that much you might as well get a 2070 at that point
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>>71389305
That's their standard price since like November. It regularly drops to £258 for a day, sometimes even £248.
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>>71389312
>Just the opposite actually, smaller VRM layout, means more focused heat
he probably meant that the third fan isn't obstructed by anything, so it has better airflow
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>>71386123
It's a good case, you should get it if you like it.
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Why would anyone buy a 5700 when you can get a Vega 56, which is only a few % slower, for $100 less?

Isn't price:performance suppose to improve with a new architecture?
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>>71388458
It was obvious that /biz/ niggers shit up the board.
>literally ok when amd rips you off
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>>71386249
God, imagine being this much of a fucking shill. Intel and AMD both are out to jew you and leech maximum amounts of shekels out of your pockets, so stop fanboying this hard for either one of them.
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>>71389324
the 2070 costs 79euros more than the vega 64 nitro+
>>71389340
ah well yeah its better for cooling the finstack, but the smaller PCB means the less VRM components that are more tightly together get more hot.
its a trade off really.


AHHHHHHHH HELP ME LADS I CAN'T DECIDE
The sensible 295 pulse
or the I like quiet and don't want to get a new gpu for another 3-5 years nitro 64+
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>>71385897
Again. Are we basically years away from a good 4K card?
Do u buy:
Radeon VII
Radeon Navi
Radeon Navi poorfag edition
Radeon Vega 64
Radeon Vega 56

Or wait for next year?

Currently get 60 FPS 4K ultra on Dota but I have to run ASsetto Corsa comp in 1440 with meh frames and that’s why I’m hoping to get a nice long term 4K card.

I don’t really game with the usual high graphics single player games like Doom or ACC or whatever so the ‘e-sports’ level and racers are about the extent of what I need.

Ideally this card will be king for 5 years like how Fury X has managed to be competitive.

Currently I have a 480. Before that I had a 460 and before that an R7 250. I’ve spent about $350 in 5 years or $60 a year. I could have just bought a fury back then and I’d be able to keep using it since most of this new cards seem to be good enough to push the 144 même but not anywhere close to 4K ready.

Also, I am retard when it comes to this. My monitor doesn’t have Gsync so I’m not looking at Nvidia.
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>>71389418
Vega 64 is not really worth it imo. I'd get a V56.
In fact I'm planning to get one soon after I switch to zen 2.
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>>71389450
what if you consider that my current GPU already gives me a certain level of performance.
And that a vega 56 is a smaller upgrade than the 64 is?
As certain amount of money goes to waste to get the same level of performance as my current GPU and then on top of that is the new gain of performance and thats lower on the 56 for me than 64
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>>71389425
see >>71389052
I'm running an RX480 at 1440p/144hz which is lol. Freesync can still make sub-60fps work.
Or buy a Vega 56 if you can't take it anymore.
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>>71389425
Actually the smart people bought a 1080ti two years ago (that's 24 months) and have had a great 4k card ever since.
If you now want a good 4k card you have the 2080ti which is even faster but comes at a premium.
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>>71388150
You’re a moron if you think anyone is worried about a down tick with a graph like that
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So, my fps is capped at 90fps
What's going on?
My windows version is still currently free
Am I supposed to unlock the other cores and overclock?
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>>71389462
the thing about GCN is that it doesn't scale for shit after a certain amount of ROPs/shaders. Vega 56 with a 64 bios flashed on it is basically within a margin of error of an actual 64.
You seem to be set on buying a 64, but as I posted, 56 seems more sensible.
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>>71389488
Turn freesync on.
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>>71389492
how hard is it to bios flash the vega 56 pulse?
and again main reason is higher clocks at lower heat and noise, is why I am considering 64
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>>71389506
Easy if you're willing to take the risk and use the correct file (XFX dual 64 is the only one that works). All you get for the trouble is another 100-150MHz on the HBM over the 950 you can get with stock bios.
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>>71389506
At this point I'd just buy a reference/air boost card and put a Raijintek Morpheus on it for unbeatable cooling performance. That'd be cheaper and you get an excellent PCB.
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>>71389425
I got a second hand RTX 2080 Ti for 800€. It even has the OC friendly 300A chip and the good Samsung memory. Don't regret it one bit.
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>>71389527
Decent choice IF you can get a reference card for under 240 and have room for a 4 slot cooler.
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>>71389506
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/
literally click on things
Vega cards have dual bios switch so even if you fuck things up you can switch to the 2nd bios to recover
>higher clocks
you'll get that if you flash v64 bios
>lower heat and noise
the best option for that is an undervolted vega 56
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>>71389488
Got into the UEFI and check your OC settings, that can't be right
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>>71389492
Unrelated, but what is this bios flashing stuff? I was under the impression that only the rx590, 580 had customizable bios switches.
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>>71389545
>literally click on things
You actually have to force flash with the command line tool since they're mismatched models, still simple enough though.
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>>71389425
>Radeon VII
>Radeon Navi
>Radeon Navi poorfag edition
>Radeon Vega 64
>Radeon Vega 56
Literally all of these are shit, why are you even entertaining this thought? If you want to play gaymes at 4k the VII is the only one out of that list you should get but why bother with an overall subpar product? 2080 ti or bust.
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>>71389573
>what is this bios flashing stuff
what do you mean?
>rx590, 580 had customizable bios switches
most flagship AMD cards come with a bios switch
also you can flash bioses to any cards, bios switches make it less painful to recover if something goes wrong
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>>71389577
Do you? I flashed a 580 bios to my 480 with atiflashtool. I think the CLI atiflash didn't even support polaris.
Could be wrong though.
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>>71389626
Yeah at least with vega cards it's required. The latest versions support all current models.
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>>71389425
1080ti of ebay cause fuck paying for a new 2080
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How much will a midrange Ryzen 3 + Navi GPU cost?

I have around 600€ to blow on a cpu+gpu combo but idk if its worth the wait
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>>71385897
449*
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>New X570 Asus boards cost up to 770$ for the flagship formula
Jesus Christ, wtf?
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I need a steam library ssd drive
how much is performance difference between samsung qvo 1tb and 2tb?
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>>71389677
>steam library
for game loading times? none
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I've still got a 2500K, how much of a performance bump would I see from an upgrade to a 3600X? In terms of IPC benchmarks they look like they're about the same (I'm running the 2500K at 4ghz).

I'm guessing the upgrade from slow-ass DDR3 to some good DDR4 would be more significant than the CPU, right?
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>>71389609
Radeon is like half the price for the same thing
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>>71385897
hey there guys

im looking for a massive pc case, to fit 4 480mm radiators or maybe even 4 560mm radiators.

where do i get a case like that?
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>>71389710
3600X has far more threads, it's going to fuck 2500K sideways regardless of IPC
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Hello /pcbg/. Before I bother compiling a parts list, quick question. Is the Ryzen 1st Gen (14nm stuff) competitive enough in 1080p gaming? I recently bought a Dell 1080p 75HZ freesync monitor and was wondering if the R5-1600 can actually maintain 75fps. The video card being up to snuff of course. Should I be looking at the i5-9400f instead?
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>>71389677
get an ADATA SU800 or Crucial MX500 instead
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>>71389661

My Ryzen 3 has yet to struggle with anything and I run 4K and stream music video. I don’t quite get what all these GAYmers need 16 core thread rippers for? It was $100 and is a apparently a god chip.
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>>71389719
Except it's slower, doesn't into ray tracing, is way louder and hotter. AMD has no competition for the 2080ti, their top dog has fallen behind the normal 2080 even.

>>71389740
Weird comparison really. Can you not get a modern Ryzen? A 1600 should be plenty of powerful enough for 75 fps, that's almost console territory these days. What's your GPU?
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why SHOULDN'T I get a V64? I'm aware you can flash the 64 bios on V56 but that's only if you win the samsung/hynix lottery
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>>71389710
>In terms of IPC benchmarks they look like they're about the same
Holy shit what kind of mental gymnastics are you performing to see something like that?
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>>71389725
literally nowhere since caselabs has gone under
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>>71389425
wait for a fucking 5990XTX, or a RTX 3080Ti
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>>71389670
Where did you read that?
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>>71389725
are you trying to cool a nuclear reactor?
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>>71389772
by ryzen 3 i ment the 3000 series
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>>71389773
It would be with a Sapphire Pulse RX590 8GB. I only mention the 1600 because my local Microcenter has it brand new for $80 and additional $30 off any compatible motherboard. I can get the R5-1600 and ASrock B450 Pro4 for $120 total.

I5-9400f is $140 alone and the R5-2600 is $160.
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>>71389781
30% more expensive for at most 10% more performance. Nearer 5% if you get Samsung HBM and clock to 950+.
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>>71389773
Wtf is ray tracing? And Is $600 worth lowering cost?
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>>71389781
just buy one if you want it retard
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>>71389805
yeah, but what's the alternative? a fucking 2070?
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>>71389828
>what's the alternative?
To what? Weren't you just deciding between 56 and 64?
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>>71389725
>>71389786
wait I was wrong, Thermaltake still makes the absolute units WP100 and WP200. Multi champer design with a seperate radiator area. That's your only chance I think.
What are you even trying to cool? A protein folding rig with 6 quadros and that intel oc xeon?
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Is this cooling method fine for large ITX case (nzxt manta)? Don't want a rear fan for aesthetic reasons. GPU is sapphire v56 pulse and front rad is EK predator 240.
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>>71389781
The Radeon RXVega56 is the weakest member of AMD's Vega GPU family. The Vega architecture is built on 14 nm silicon and contains next-generation compute units (nCUs). Each NCU houses 64 steam processors, of which the Vega 56 has 3584 vs. 4096 in the Vega 64. The new architecture employs 8GB of second generation high-bandwidth memory (HBM2) which is able cope with more data, more quickly than previously. Although the Vega 56 has 12.5% less processing units, users have found that by flashing an RX 64 Bios into an RX 56 card allows a 10% increase in OC headroom which effectively brings a BIOS flashed RX 56 onto par with a stock RX 64 and just 12.5% slower than a fully overclocked RX 64. This would be great news if the RX 56 were available at its MSRP of $399 as it would then be bothcheaper and faster than a GTX 1070, but current market prices for the RX Vega 56 are closer to $550. The GPU market is still unbalanced (AMD GPUs in particular) as a result of the ongoing Ethereum mining frenzy which has depleted global GPU inventory to the lowest levels in recent memory.[Oct '17GPUPro

Just send it back if you don't get samsung memory lel
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>>71389795
TechpowerUP
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>>71389670
whats special about these boards?
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I want a cheap as fuck GPU for 1080p minimal 60 fps gaming- that's why I am thinking about RX 570, however is it even worth to pay extra for 8GB VRAM variant? Can this card even use the potential of that much memory? Or should I just stick with 4 GB VRAM?
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>>71389908
Extreme overclocking and you get every feature that exists. It's for either the splurging bourgeoisie or competitve overclockers.
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>>71389799
Lol get a R7 bro
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>>71389950
kek in what world do the bourgeoise give a shit about computers, don't use words you don't understand
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>>71388161
Buy used? Risky, cheaper, but you can stick it to 'em.
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>>71389997
You're the one who's wrong here. Praise kek amirite?
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My justification for not getting a 1080 initially was I couldn't find a good 4k monitor at $200 or less. Is that still true? I see a lot of interesting used deals on Ebay but cant justify it with the dumb 1080p Acer dual screen setup I have.
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Lol 225watts a oc uv 2080 uses less power and is faster what the fuck is rdna doing
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>>71388690
R6 is terribly optimized, the game has gotten exponentially larger with each season. Ubi too lazy to optimize their storage.
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32 inches too much for 1440p?
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>>71388989
No do not update the bios. I have an ASRock plus ryzen 1700. I updated the bios regularly since they were adding new ram support (yeah thanks for not doing that at launch you dumb fuckers). Once the 2000 line of ryzen chips released, ASRock dumped a new bios to support it, I installed it and nearly bricked the board (the bios was either old for ryzen 1000 or new for ryzen 2000). So, don't update the bios until you update the processor. Then you have to update both at once. Now that's what I call great forward compatibility on the am4 cpu slot!
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>>71390022
bourgeois doesn't mean someone with more money than sense, it's a word used to describe people of a milieu that is somewhat refined and cultured but also snobby and to some, borderline pseudo intellectual

There's a reason why gommunists hate the rich AND the bourgeoisie despite both terms generally being conflated. Stop taking all nuance out of words because you want to sound more intelligent on a macedonian frog harvesting forum
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Vega 64 or 2060?
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>>71390120
I don't know what is up with you but you don't have to win every single argument on the internet. Give it up.
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>>71390125
2060 new is cheaper here so id go with that unless v64 is cheap af and u love ayymd
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>>71390125
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-56/4034vs3938
>>71390152
I don't know what's wrong with you but don't use words incorrectly then get annoyed when someone calls you out on it
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>>71389950
>Extreme overlockers
Not true, you would need 2 slot DIMMs and special overvoltage protection like on the Apex from Asus. Those board are high end but expensive af
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>>71390125
Wait for Super 2060 on 21th this month
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>>71390171
I'm not annoyed when he's not up against me but his own straw man.
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>>71390190
i'm the guy who corrected you, you inbred
explain to me why you think you used the word bourgeois correctly
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>arguing on a mongolian basket knitting board in the year of our lord 2019
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>>71389527
>>71389542
Getting the cooler would cost me around 100euros anyway.
New vega 56 with blower cost 270-280euros.
Used they cost 190euros(used in mining)
Anyway I did it lads, god help me I did it, I ordered it, vega 64 nitro+
Lets hope I don't immesnely regred this decision, I have enough reasons for wanting to commit soduku.

>>71390016
I would it fit wasn't minners, miners are faggots who blew up GPU prices in the first place, so buying anything off them is worse than supporting nvidia and amds overpriced gpus.

There just really isn't any good choice.
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>>71390222
Do I have to care? You're anon.
What I said: some bourgeois would buy this
What you read: bourgeois have to splurge!!!
Makes perfect sense. Give it up.
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>>71389661
>midrange Ryzen 3
200 bux for 6 core + 450 mobo (570 is stupid overprice with no real benefit for gaming)

>Navi GPU
370-450
but Im not sure its worth over Nv cards, lets wait custom designs and independent tests
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>>71389939
buy a used 580 8gb
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Is DDR4-3733, CL17 good?
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>>71390248
>some upper class, cultured, member of a borderline neu-aristocracy that unofficially rules over the proletariat via the threat of economic genocide would give a shit about computer motherboards
yeah makes perfect sense
also you literally said "splurging bourgeoise" kek
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>>71390309
You're conflating two definitions on purpose? And literally reading my post in one way instead of another on purpose?
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>>71389939
Nah, I have 480 4gb plugged into my 1080p TV and I've only found one or two poorly optimized games that Max the vram.
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>>71390039
I got a 4K monitor for $250 on Black Friday. They dip down during sales
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>>71386100
For most use cases the best memory speed to minimise latency is 3733MHz RAM which is the highest speed that Zen 2 maintains 1:1 parity between the IF and the RAM. Faster may not be better especially if you are a gaymer.
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>>71390120
Bourgeois means city dweller literally.
Marx used the term to describe capitalists and people who made money off of others.
Goebbels used it basically to mean dumb normies in his diary.

Marx i suppose is the reason this guy leftard thinks it means wealthy but that’s pretty dumb even from a Marxist view
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>>71390188
Don't listen to this chink. Send a message - buy used AMD cards.
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>>71390188
Huh, where's that date coming from? Did I miss something.
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>>71390386
What did he mean by this?
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>>71390308
Mediocre. Low latency 3200 would be better.
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>>71390388
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-nvidias-super-gpus-unleashing-monsters/
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>>71390380
Literally refers to the wealthier materialistic social group today because that's how it evolved. You're being petty.
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>>71389027
Go for Vega56 pulse, bought one for 220€ and not looking back.
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>>71390400
It's for Ryzen 3000 and I also would rather use 3600 CL15
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>>71390438
>Go for Vega56 pulse, bought one for 220€ and not looking back.
thats actually a good deal, too bad such good deals are not available for the rest of us.
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>>71390329
Do you actually want to do this? I'll argue until this thread 404s because you are blatantly using that word incorrectly and despite me telling you three times why you're using it wrong you're still trying to defend yourself
So if you want me to repeat myself for 300 posts i'll do it

Explain to me what the term bourgeois means and why in this context it can be used appropriately to describe someone who would buy an x570 board
>>71390380
The fucking retard I'm arguing with thinks if means middle class wealthy person who spends for the sake of it which is the most shallow and incorrect interpretation of the word one could possibly come up with outside of saying it means EVIL CAPITALIST PIG which ironically, would be more on the money than what he actually said and it's pissing me off

The term bourgeoise evokes a sense of shallow pseudo aristocracy (read: upper middle class wankery) because people who have inherited wealth through generations of capitalism and capitalist power dynamics are the ones who, shockingly, can afford to become cultured but like any poorfag art nerd will tell you is that they lack the soul to actually resonate with the "culture" and "art" they (used to) consume due to their shallow and parasitic nature (which is nonsense but pertinent)

What this dumb cunt of an ape meant to say is that the type of person to buy one would be an extreme enthusiast or a member of the middle class noveau rich i.e someone who works in portland in marketing who decides to get one because "eh i'm building a pc and don't know why I need it but I can afford it so i'll get it", not a BOURGEOIS person who spends their money on wine and decorating their mansion

Fucking brainlet faggot, read a fucking book
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>>71390489
How come? What is the cheapest you could get one for?
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>>71390428
*Literally* it means city dweller
Miriam Webster:
>History of Bourgeois
Bourgeois is often mistakenly used to refer to people of considerable wealth or status, possibly because the French pronunciation causes us to associate it with opulence, yet the word is of decidedly middle-class origins (and meaning). It first appeared as a noun signifying “an inhabitant of a town” in the 1564 work A Discourse Wrytten by M. Theodore de Beza
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>>71390506
absolute cheapest vega 56 pulse I could get for is 295euros.
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>>71390536
>absolute cheapest vega 56 pulse I could get for is 295euros.
Where do you live?
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>>71388969
The same /g/g that thinks raytracing is a meme because you cant sustain 60fps at 4k? /g/ is a bunch of console babies who want a higher end console experience on PC.
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>>71390525
yeah because anyone in 2019 uses it to mean city dweller, not like the term has evolved due to marx and EVERY OTHER FUCKING PHILOSOPHER, GREAT AUTHOR AND POLITICAL THINKER HAS IMBUED THE TERM WITH AN ACTUAL TANGIBLE DEEPER MEANING YOU FUCKING WANNABE PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL SMOOTH BRAINED CHIMP OF A SPASTIC CUNT
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>>71390412
Good news if that author could stop jerking off. I'm sick of the last few generations providing minimal update performance for more money.

Looking forward to some price competition so I can pick up those non-super parts on sale.
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>>71390548
in europe, the poor part of europe, lets leave it at that.
and yes, we get less wages, lot of us are near poverty and yet our prices are consistently higher, how that makes sense I don't know
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>>71390494
I get that it's dear to you and you want to be right but enough people understand it that way for it to be correct and that's how definitions work. And don't be obnoxious or I'm done giving credit to the possibility of you not being childish here.
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>>71390494
I’ll second It. Hes a reddit-Marxist and of extremely low IQ. Has no clue what Marxism even is outside a few buzzwords he knows to rattle off to cope with his lack of intelligence, wealth, and spiritual life.

Ironically, he is a prime example of the modern petty bourgeoise.
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>>71390579
Sorry to hear that, a good thing you could do is looking out for prices when they drop and check if people do returns of cards, they usually resell it for less and have same warranty as a regular card.
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>>71390548
in swedestan the 56 pulse is 290€
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>>71390606
>in swedestan the 56 pulse is 290€
Yeah, 3090kronor. I bought mine as a resell unit or whatever they call it.
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my goal is 1080 60fps on modern and upcoming games on ultra
is this too weak? I looked up Xbox One X equivalent specs and it seems more powerful, but that's usually 4k 30fps shit, and people with similar specs barely seem to get a solid 60fps on Witcher 3 ultimate
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>>71390572
I'm pretty hyped for it, mainly because they finally got rid of the shitty power limit. Good for people like me with custom loops, especially now with the Zen 2 CPUs
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>>71390581
I don't "want" to be right, I AM right and yeah it fucking triggers me when people don't respect and use words correctly because words are sacred and important things. Don't use them to boost your perception of your ego because it leads to a word becoming diluted and losing it's power ESPECIALLY when people have worked hard to imbue a word with a deeper meaning
>>71390582
People like that infuriate me to no end. You'd think 12 years of lurking this shithole would have taught me to just acquiesce to pure stupidity but it's had the opposite effect
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>>71390635
Get a refurbished GTX1080Ti and you're good to go.
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>>71390619
>check demo units
>see the 56 pulse demo for 242€ right now
najs
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>>71390669
You're welcome, hope you have lots of enjoyment and lets hope it has the samsung HBM so you can overclock it good.
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do niggas really use coffee filters to clean a cpu
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>>71390667
I would wait for Zen 2 replace the 2070 with an 2080 since it will get cheaper with the new Super cards
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how's this for pure gaming, 1080p 144hz? don't need storage, not overclocking

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XDLWHh

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($484.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: *G.Skill - Sniper X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($135.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: *EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Black Video Card ($479.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *EVGA - BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($196.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1558.81

forgot the psu damn
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>>71390643
What I don’t get is he’s been outnumbered, proven wrong, it’s anonymous and he still raging.

>>7139057
>>71390570

That’s gonna be a #yikes from me dawg. You clearly haven’t read a single philosopher except maybe the ones that post on /r/atheism and /r/latestagecapitalism.

Perhaps it’s time to go back there because clearly your insider insults (please read as cope for being poor and stupid and jealous of others) don’t translate properly outside your bubble zone.
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>>71390438
That's probably what I'll be going for. The PCB is basically the same as reference but smaller, so it should be decent.
Mind posting a screenshot from hwinfo64 sensors window to soothe my autism? I'm curious if it has a VRM temp sensor.
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>>71390690
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>>71389618
So no bios lock and no vram lock throughout the SUPER range, if true. Buildzoid is gonna be an nvidia fanboy now.
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>>71390697
Why an i9? Get an i3 and a better card for pure Gayman
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>>71390706
>Mind posting a screenshot from hwinfo64 sensors window to soothe my autism? I'm curious if it has a VRM temp sensor.
Sure thing!
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>>71390682
im just monitoring prices. i need a whole new system and not sure when im gonna upgrade. good price performance ratio though. its getting very tempting with ryzen
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>>71390698
you just (you)'d me twice in one post and agreed with what I said with the first and disagreed with the second despite them being basically the same post and i'm the guy who is bullying you for using the term wrong
>>71390643
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>>71389997
these are all me btw
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>>71390759
I went with full ryzen system and I am not looking back. I love it, 1080p with 144hz free sync just works!
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>>71390688
it doesnt leave lint residue so you can use it yes or those ear picking things.
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>>71390460
Get a good binned 3600 kit from g.skill and overclock to 3733 with tight as possible timings.
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>>71390643
There are different contexts in which a non-autistic person can tell a word is used to mean something or something else. Just stop pretending there has to be an opposition between the one that is associated with your personal intellectual pride and a practical one that refers to the richer than most person who wants to belong through consumerism. Okay? Good.
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>>71390697
>CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO
>Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151
shit cooler and shit mobo for a 9900k
you want a z390 elite for mobo and a d15 or 280mm aio minimum to not get cucked for that

>Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz
is this decent? no frame skipping what not? else the cheapest decent one i know is the acer XF240H w/ Freesync and working with gsync

>Memory: *G.Skill - Sniper X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
overkill 16 is enough

>Power Supply: *EVGA - BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular
shitter

>Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case
shitter
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>>71390810
How do I tighten the timings?
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>>71390766
I’m a second guy who sees one person using the term wrong and one using it correctly but I may have misclicked my (you) to the retard
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>>71390773
yeah this combo seems the most logical in current year before u go full 2080 ti tier
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I please be gentle. I've been out of the game for a while, but my current Athlon X3 425 and HIS IceQ Radeon 5750 aren't cutting it any more. Goal is to game at 75fps in all major titles in high settings at 1080p.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4zmbX
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Why do people want 144 FPS? I thought 60 FPS was the ass cancer meme goal?
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>>71390836
In your bios. Use Ryzen Dram Calculator to get suggested settings.
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>>71390869
In 2011 sure.
60Hz is literally eye rape now. Total poorfag poverty build shit.
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>>71390635
How much is the 1070?

On my Vega56 I'm getting 70-75 FPS in Novigrad 1440p everything ultra hairworks off. Not sure about 1080p cause I'm CPU limited at that point (R5 1600 running at 3.9GHZ) ~90FPS.
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>>71390882
Wouldn't the Mhz suffer from it?
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>>71390831
>practical one that refers to the richer than most person who wants to belong through consumerism
but this is just demonstrably
incorrect, late 18th century bourgeois culture and onwards was a product of the cultural attitudes of the wealthy of their time (read: nobility) and they "conformed" not directly via consumerism but moreso via culture, they would spend money not just on clothing et al but also plays, musical performances, travelling, hosting people etc, said things aren't just "conforming via consumerism". Do you think reading a book everyone in the upper echelon is raving about due to the intricacies of its prose and ethos is the same as conforming via consumerism because you had to buy the book? What the fuck is wrong with you? How do you have the audacity to stand by the utter shite you're spouting?
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>>71390869
Once you go 144, there's no going back to the 60 fps eyesore.
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>>71390869
60fps has always been shit
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>>71390907
No. Those kits can go up to and beyond 4000Mhz.
Since 3733 is the perfect frequency for zen2 there will be plenty of room to tighten up timings.
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>>71390635
add a few buckos and get a 144hz for fuck sake
XF240H
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Is it benefical to wait 6 more months for the prices of the 3000 ZEN 2 to come down?
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>>71390926
problem is 144 is not achievable for any sort of reasonable price except for old games
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>>71390954
you will benefit even with fps below
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>>71390954
Good thing we mostly play old or non demanding games now then isn't it.
Even if you want to play new AAA junk for some reason, you can easily set the monitor to whatever frequency you can achieve, or just enable adaptive sync.
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You're really being either dense or dishonest.
Explain how using "rich" instead would've conveyed the same meaning. If you don't want to, suggest another word for this that doesn't immediately trigger people because philosophy is too deeply tied to their ego to not overreact at its mention.
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>>71390952
No reason to expect any prices drops. Not like Intel have anything to compete with. If you want something cheaper go for first gen stuff they're selling for peanuts now.
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>>71390861
Pls rspnd
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>>71390952
I remember on launch day of the zen+ here the 2700x was going for 60eur cheaper than it ever was then the prices went up and stayed there so it was better to buy at launch lol
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>>71390983
aka dumb new money chink or nu-male onions guzzler who wants an EPIC PC BUILD despite knowing nothing about computers, same person who would buy an overpriced macbook except mildly more into tech
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>>71391027
570 is fine for old games but it's not going to get you that going forward.
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>>71390954
It is achievable if devs optimized their shit. Nu Doom and IdTech6/7 is an example of a well optimized engine that can easily hit 144fps while delivering good visuals. Too bad the game is shit.
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>>71391038
I'll use that word next time. It wasn't obvious so I don't feel bad for not knowing it.
That exchange wasn't for nothing. Thanks.
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>>71390861
That case is shit get this instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jjhj4D/phanteks-eclipse-p400-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec416ptg_bk
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>>71391076
I mean the term pertains more so to rappers than the chinese tbqh, the chinese are 100% the new bourgeoisie but it wouldn't be a stretch to apply it to whatever bearded, bald, glasses wearing cunt who makes way too much money developing ios apps and playing ass creed in every year that buys the latest and greatest hardware to flex on reddit despite being too scared to overlock lest he lose his warranty
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>>71390749
>GPU VR
seems like they do, thanks
because the PCB is so small the VRM is more prone to overheating, so if I ever feel like touching myself to 3dmark scores I'll need to keep an eye on VRM temps
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>>71391267
My card has never reached above 70c so should be fine and that's with fans just ramping up to 52% when core reaches 55c.
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Bought a 2080ti last week for my Zen2 build. No news on the horizon for a 2080 ti refresh.

Looks like that 2089ti refresh is happening. Consider me assblasted
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>>71391027
Something like this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9fKfH
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This is going to sound retarded, but what's the likelihood of Ryzen 3000 series All in One PC's?
I know there's a Dell Inspiron with a Ryzen 1700 & RX 580, but beyond that I can't seem to find any Ryzen All in One PC's at all.
Primarily for space savings, not too keen on having a tower.
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>>71391267
They don't even come close to overheating even with a big overclock.
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>tfw no Mac Mini with i7 8809G
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>>71391327
just build a micro atx pc or get a mid size case, don't have to get a fuck huge one if you don't want one. that's the joy of building a pc
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>>71391354
I know I can do a SFF, or at least smaller than full ATX case, but I don't really care too much for having a tower is all.
I'm mainly interested in an AIO PC so it's cleaner.
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>>71391383
still haven't given me a reason as to why you don't want to build a pc though
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>>71391272
>>71391338
According to buildzoid max sane VRM temp on this PCB is ~100c.
The cooler on this is fucking OP for a Pulse card, holy shit.
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>>71391383
just get a Mac you fucking faggot
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>>71391407
It's big, heavy and bulky plus the fans are silent even at load. Go for it.
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>>71391404
Primarily because I don't really want to build a computer. No other reason than that, really. I just want a comfy clean setup.
I could flip that argument and say you've not given me a reason to build a PC.
>>71391412
Part of the reasoning behind why I was looking at a Ryzen AIO was so I didn't have to sell my kidneys, one of my arms, and probably both of my legs to buy the iMac.
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Better bang for the buck, 8700k or 9700k? Also is hyper-threading that important?
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>>71391383
AIOs are built by a person too, except that person won't be as concerned and will overcharge for a couple hours of combining legos.
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>>71391455
I did give you a reason though
If you're building it you can make it exactly how you want it and it's literally no work seeing as building a pc is just expensive lego now.
>b-but that's a meme
Mate, once you've compiled the list of components you want/need, putting it all together takes 20 minutes and every single bit of the motherboard is labelled in caps along with having arrows and shit to guide you. Plus there's youtube and everything, not to mention you can build one for far cheaper than buying one.

Consider it.
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>>71391455
Don't you have a relative you could ask for help? It could be a fun time and nowadays you can return literally any part you happen to break in some extremely unlikely event.
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>>71391455
You're in a PC building thread why the fuck would you ask about buying a prebuilt desktop? No one here would want to do the research for you.
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>>71391476
I'm aware that they're built by people. If I could find a custom AIO kit or something to that effect, I'd gladly build it myself.
>>71391506
I'm not afraid, or whatever you may think, of building a computer. I've done it before, and currently using a custom built computer to post with. That's not the issue. I'm mainly looking at keeping my setup nice and clean. I don't particularly care for having a plain black box or RGB shit pile.
>>71391512
I have zero reason to communicate with any relatives, especially about computers of all things.
>>71391540
I thought that, with a thread regarding computers in general, there was a chance someone would have any clue about a Zen2 AIO PC.
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>>71391461
For gaming 3800x
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>>71391573
just build a mini atx pc and mount it to the back of your monitor then mongoloid
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>>71385897
So the 5700 is just a lower clocked (by bios) 5700xt? Do you think it's possible to OC it to the same levels and have almost identical performance?
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>>71391601
almost certainly as is the case with pretty much every single gpu out there
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>>71391573
If all you wanted to know is what upcoming desktop models will have the new ryzen chips, read a tech blog for announcements. This thread is for reacing parts. The PARTS are becoming available in the next months. I dont think anyone here knows about the desktop vendors. Try the thinkpad thread, I recall Lenovo is starting to use ryzen in their laptops.
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>>71390697
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVr9V6

>i9 9900K > i5 9400F
>no need for 32 GB of RAM, you can upgrade in the future
>RTX 2070 > RTX 2080
>better case
>better power supply
>added 2 case fans. put them in the front and move the ones included with the case to the back and rear top slot
>better monitor
you never want your monitor to be your bottleneck, so i picked you a well-received 1440p 165Hz g-sync monitor. this whole setup would work with a 2070 as well, if you want to save a penny
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>>71390773
how does this do on 2018/2019 games? over 60fps on max settings? looking at the same build, maybe a 2600x instead
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>>71391668
don't get the 2600, save the $50 and put that towards a good cpu cooler and you'll be to OC it further and easily
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Would it be reasonable to say that a higher end gaming PC would make good for a high end video-editing/ animating one as well? I'm having a hard time finding the right hardware for artistic ventures (even contradicary points), but see a plethora of information on gaming PCs.
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Are the RX 5700s going to be as embarrassing as the RVIIs?
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>>71391763
no, they will be just ok
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>>71391574
Not really
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>>71391720
obviously but you may want intlel garbage because apparently adobe doesn't play nice with ryzen, do your own research beforehand though
a powerful GPU will 100% help no matter what though
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>>71391830
>Blops 3
Why not 4?
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>>71391668
I get well over 60fps with max settings at every title of today.
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>>71391830
Pointless to go over 240hz free/gsync anyway so CPU perf in games is largely moot these days especially with gpus being the main bottleneck
I doubt I'll have to upgrade from my 2700x for ages at 100fps
To answer your question 8700k delid
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>>71391691
Wut are you talking about.
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>>71391894
where did I lose you?
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>>71389551
>>71389488
k, so now I'm on my 4k monitor and it's locked at 30fps
like... wth
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>>71391962
not him but you lost me too, what CPU would I get instead of the 2600?
also unrelated but is the non-Pulse Vega 56 worth getting? does it make a big difference what brand it is?
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>>71391995
It's about cooling and price.
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>>71391995
what are you talking about
I said get the ryzen 2600 instead of the x variant because x = overclocked out of the box with a chunky cooler for $50 more but you can just overclock the regular 2600 yourself and get a much better cooler for the same price, just requires a tiny bit of work

also make sure you do your research on AIB cards and never buy a blower card unless you want to mod it yourself, I think the gigabyte vega is prone to dying whereas the sapphire one is pretty good outside of the cable being at the front of the card which triggers some RGB/cable management autism
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>>71392024
Here the pulse is the most expensive. What does it mean?
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>>71392051
look at the cooling it offers you dumb fuck, use some critical thinking
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>>71392080
So you want to sell it because it costs more? Fuck off rabbi.
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>>71392115
no, because it does a better job
cooler a pc component is the more power you can give it which makes it run better
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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/yWDb7W
Ok, this is what i have so far. Need some input on basically everything, especially mainboard(<300) and gpu(<800). Prices in Euro. Target is 1440p/ultra/60fps+.
>inb4 justwait
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>>71392042
>x = overclocked out of the box

Is that really the only difference between the X and non-X versions?
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>>71392221
>Not getting everything on mindfactory
Hallo Tim Jeremy Pascal
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>>71391301
Meh, I bought my 1080ti last year in June or whatever when Nvidia literally said to the press"we have no plans for a new line of video cards" and like a month later they said fuck you here's a new line of video cards.

At least the 1080ti holds up real well and the price was at the lower end.
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>>71392248
It's rather the binning.

>>71392042
>what are you talking about
>I said get the ryzen 2600 instead of the x variant
>>71391691
>don't get the 2600, save the $50
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I'm looking at this Zen 2 stuff, why are the 3700X and 3800X so similar but with a big jump in TDP and price?

What's missing?
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>>71392440
Higher base clock
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>>71392440
Zen hits a very stiff voltage wall at a certain frequeency. Hence the lacklustre overclocking potential so far.
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should I wait for the Ryzen 5 3600 and get it instead of the 2600X?
it seems slightly better and might even be cheaper

I'm thinking of going for a 1070 8GB and 2600X right now, for 1080p 60fps ultra or high if needed on modern and upcoming games
seems to reach over 60fps on the majority of games

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/amd-ryzen-5-2600x/
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>>71392593
>>71392593
>>71392593
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>>71392562
If you can wait, wait. Get a 1660Ti instead of a 1070. Same perf, newer
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https://www.zdnet.com/article/rambleed-rowhammer-attack-can-now-steal-data-not-just-alter-it/
>70% performance hit
>Only Intel is affected
OH NO NO NO INTELBROS
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Will RAM pricing stay low? Or will factories flood again?
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>>71392042
>I said get the ryzen 2600 instead of the x variant because x = overclocked out of the box with a chunky cooler for $50 more but you can just overclock the regular 2600 yourself and get a much better cooler for the same price, just requires a tiny bit of work
this is wrong on so many levels. you should get the better chip and the guaranteed better clocks before buying a better cooler and hoping to hit golden sample clocks UNLESS all you want is lower noise.



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