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I'm an AMD fan (I have a Vega 56 and will be upgrading my 2400G to either a 3600X or 3700X depending on reviews) but this guy is fucking right! Stop defending AMD's shitty GPU division.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoRLmurtxE
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>>71381114
but people have stock in AMD, they don't care about buying their GPUS, they need to shill and defend highly overpriced GPUS!
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>>71381287
Plus they have a ton of Polaris and Vega GPU's to clear. Pricing too close to those would impact their margins.
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>>71381307
no shit, they want you to buy the fucking polaris and vega to clear stock.
But this is a MASSIVE PR FAIL.
People been waiting for months.
They could gain huge market share, LOTS of positive PR.
But no, overpriced the new gpus by 200-300%
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Want to read a fun Reddit thread where fanboys defend this shit?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bzhn5z/navi_will_fail_im_done/?
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>>71381114
>People being butthurt over low volume products being sold at higher prices
But why.
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If I buy Radeon VII how long til I regret it. I feel like Fury X was an excellent buy because 5 years later it’s still really good. Will Radeon VII get me 5 years or will they drop a bomb next year that makes it look gay and cringe
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>>71381600
People were expecting last years performance (from Nvidia) for half the price.
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>>71381616
Not worth it. Not even a third party cooler exists. Just a shitty reference design.
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>>71381622
That would be outright gambling for AMD.
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I don't know why you'd be an anything fan. Just buy whatever makes the most sense. They're compatible for a reason.
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>>71381114
This should have been $200 and $250 it's the biggest fuck up yet by AMD. I might as well just buy a 2070 and get support for actual next generation technologies.
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>>71381785
>next generation technologies
lel
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>$450
>outperforms Radeon VII
>outperforms RTX 2070
>8+6pin power

You're all dumb and gay. Only AdoredTV paypig faggots thought this was going to be $250. Literally impossible.
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>>71381114
>I'm an AMD fan
Nice pilpul, rabbi
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>>71381785
>This should have been $200 and $250
They're not going to sell you 250mm^2 of 7nm FinFETs for that, at their volumes to boot.
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>>71381628
What should I buy for 4gay Gaymin?
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>>71381875
Okay, fine i'll concede. $275 for the low end $325 for the high end. And that's a fucking stretch.
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>>71381890
They're not going to sell for that low either.
$399 for the full die but that's a stretch too.
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>another hour
>another shill thread
wew. Intcel+nviditaturds must be scared shitless if their shills feel the need to spam this african basket weaving forum this fucking hard.
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>>71381882
Nvidia: RTX 2080 or a used 1080 Ti
AMD: AIB Vega 64 and learn to undervolt
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>>71381811
>outperforms Radeon VII
amdjeet completely lost it
no ruprees for you sanjay
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>>71381902
Well, thats grim. Hopefully Intel will actually disrupt the GPU market and save us from this bullshit. Like the guy in that video is saying, Navi is a cheap ass chip for them to make.
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>>71381951
within 5% for 250 dollars less
haha radeon viifags btfo
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>>71381510
jesus the absolute state of redditards. I fucking hate vote systems
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>>71381890
>products need to be priced based muh feels
Fucking based, anon.
Reality is that 7nm is based on i193 partial immersion litho, and it will literally never be a high yield node for TSMC. Inclusion of limited EUV is done to reduce steps in critical layers, to increase yields by reducing complexity. The high yield version of 7nm FinFET is called 5nm FinFET.
You're not getting cheap 7nm anything.
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>>71381114
navi should be $250.
period.
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>>71382124
Go back to youtube, Adored paypig.
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>>71381114
>emojis in the title
thanks for saving me a click
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>mfw Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse for £300 at Christmas
>mfw 3 free games, 2 of which are good
>mfw undervolted & overclocked it beats GTX 1070 Ti while using 180 W and staying cool & quiet
>mfw perfect for my FreeSync 1440p 144 Hz monitor
>mfw it dropped to £250 earlier this year
>mfw will upgrade my ancient X5675 @ 4.4 GHz to Ryzen 3800X

5700 (XT) can do one, regression in perf/price and poor competition to nVidia. I imagine I'll keep this card until 4K 144 Hz becomes affordable (i.e. 5+ years)
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>>71382124
RX 5700 XT should have been $379 tops. 5700 should have been $329 tops.
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>>71381114
>fellow white man here
>white people should be genocided
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>>71382164
Same broski. Loving the Pulse. Run it on 64 BIOS no problemo.
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>>71382169
Based on what exactly? RTX 2070s are selling for $479 to $600 depending on the board, cooler, and clocks.
Why should AMD sell a faster GPU at a lower pricepoint?
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>>71382194
Because they are Nvidia's bitch with like 2% of the GPU market.
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>>71382211
Okay, kid.
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>>71382194
For market share. But this shows they do not care about that anymore because they cannot beat Nvidia's top GPU in games. They will just be happy selling to the 20% fanboys who always buy AMD no matter what.
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>>71381785
>and get support for actual next generation technologies.
What support? Meme tracing is unplayably slow on anything but a 2080 ti @ 1080p.
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>>71382194
based on your logic they should have sold the rx 480 for gtx 980 prices
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>>71382218
>But this shows they do not care about that anymore because they cannot beat Nvidia's top GPU in games.
They haven't even tried with navi yet
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>>71382218
They are already faster and cheaper. Why would they purposely start a price war that doesn't benefit them in any way. The only people who would buy a 2070 over a RX 5700 XT are retarded and wouldnt buy it no matter what the price was. AMD is a business not a charity.
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>>71382057
>Hopefully Intel will actually disrupt the GPU market and save us from this bullshit
They will make everything even more expensive.
Third player, same TAM.
>Like the guy in that video is saying, Navi is a cheap ass chip for them to make.
That's BOM.
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>>71382194
Navi competes with pascal feature wise. It doesn't have turing's RT, regardless if you call it meme. It doesn't even have VRS. Not mentioning fucking around with cuda.
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>>71382271
>not a charity
Like clockwork
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>>71382313
>It doesn't have turing's RT
As it shouldn't until ISVs do anything.
> It doesn't even have VRS
That's ISV sugar.
>Not mentioning fucking around with cuda.
Mass market isn't playing with GPGPU.
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>>71382314
I' m convinced that amadanigger is a stock owner.
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>>71382359
Why wouldn't anyone own $AMD?
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>>71381114
>I'm an AMD fan (I have a Vega 56 and will be upgrading my 2400G to either a 3600X or 3700X depending on reviews) but this guy is fucking right! Stop defending AMD's shitty GPU division.
This is EXACTLY like the vega release IIRC. Along with the mystical 200 dollar GPU
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It comes with a dent. They are letting you know it's defective shit outright
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>>71381510
>reddit
>being shit
What the fuck did you expect?
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>>71382396
t. 3.5
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>>71382343
>pay the same/ more for less
ok
>>71382369
It's ok. They're just being disingenious because they have a financial stake.
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>>71381287
Like me. Notice that AMD's stock went down today. Their stock rose 20% in the two weeks after Zen 2 reveal. Market share is more important that 200% ROI on hardware
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>>71381114
>another newfag thread started by some mongoloid too underage b& to remember the last time nvidia and amd had a price war
kys
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>>71381622
Blame adored's faggotry for that
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>>71382406
>knowing how businesses work makes me a shill
Kay m8. If you don't like the prices take it up with Nvidia. As the market leader they set the trends.
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>>71383457
no
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>>71382164
Literally me except it was $279
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>>71381114
That guy says some retarded shit some times, but he's right on this topic. Navi is too expensive.

It's the fault of that butch looking whore Lisa Su, She just cares about profit margins. It's not like the old AMD where they wanted market share so they'd have very good prices. It's all about margins now.

That's also why Ryzen 3000 is gimped with clock speeds. Nothing close to 5GHz but i'm sure it can do it. They're giving consumers the worst binned silicon, because margins (apart from maybe the 105W 3950X which is somewhat decent silicon).
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>>71384702
lol shitpost harder, retard. AdoredTV is a fucking low IQ NEET and so are you for regurgitating his stupid asspulls. Companies don't operate to satiate your autismal feelings. Everything is profit driven.
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>>71384927
MFW I paid 215$ for an rx480 4gb nitro+ before the crypto bubble and have no intention of upgrading any time soon.
Nvidiots and AMD drones can keep paying these exorbitant prices, the sad thing is the 5700XT is the middle of the product stack there will absolutely be a 5800XT and a 5600.
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>>71381114
>not wanting 1080p response times at 1440p
Stay mad, cuck.
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>>71381114
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>>71381114
>navi will fail
navi is the first uarch (and im calling this out now that the next iteration of navi wont be anything like that i bet my ass virginity on it not that it says much anyway)since 2008 that is specifically made for "games"
it has half the distance of the pipeline of the gcn which pretty much elliminates most of its bottlenecks alone
and im pretty sure that they are able to feed the ACE better now considering that they use IF as an interconnect

but as i said this isnt what navi will look like at all this is like a revised gcn

plus im really interested to see how fidelity fx works cause increasing the image quality like that without a major blowout on perfomance will be a game changer
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I like AMD, but fuck, damn nvidia won me with CP77 GI bullshots.
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>>71385667
can you explain how anti lag works? because I have no clue how that would be physically possible.
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>>71381114
>I need an eceleb to validate my opinion
kys faggot
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>>71381114
Ill wait for independent tests and prices
will buy the cheapest decent one but ideally I want 300$ card
might just go for used 1070ti
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>>71386691
dont forget this was suppose to be launched in early 2017 originally then the fuckery of GF 10nm got in hand and it changed to late 2017/early 2018
using GF 7nm DUV
and all of that was BEFORE gf buttfucking amd again and annc that they will drop out of the high end competitive s/r market

this is like the third time amd got fucked up by gf
first with the early athlons
then the delay of 2 years of the fx series rendering them obsolete basicly
and the what was suppose to be navi
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>>71381811
look how much it costs to make them, in the absolute worst case scenario.
They are selling at a massively retarded profit margin, even Nvidia don't go this high and they are the fucking dominant side in this market.
AMD literally committed suicide with their GPUS.
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>>71386888
>Look how much it costs them to make it

is that even a legit source or just some dumbfucked up numbers out of blue considering that nobody even knows anything about the pricing
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AMD has already tried playing the undercut Nvidia in price game since the Radeon RX 300 series and their marketshare never went up appreciably wven woth the cryptocurrency mining boom. And since Nvidia priced their cards so high, it only makes sense for AMD to slightly undercut Nvidia right now and only respond when Nvidia does especially when Nvidia already hinted and has reaponded to AMD the last few years they released GPUs via 1080 Ti and 1070 Ti. This maximizes profit and gives AMD more pricing margin to move down when Nvidia does respond. And honestly, AMD need something better than Navi to compete with Turing and 7nm from Nvidia. Navi if it was equal to Turing should be giving out 2080 peformace at the XT level and 2070 peformance for the non XT model.
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>>71387019

Forgot pic.
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>>71387015
it's based on the maximum price of every component, as in "absolute worst case scenario" it will cost that much. Which means it's either that cost or cheaper.
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>>71381114
I'm not watching a 30 minute video when the first 10 seconds made me cringe so much I permanently harmed my soul.
What's the argument op?
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>>71387019
>>71381349
Read it.
No matter how much you try to defend AMD stocks, people are not going to buy this shit and this is a massive PR fail.
Literally killing off the good will of their GPUS and putting yourself next to Nvidia in terms of "we are honest jews"

The message is clear from AMD, they got funded by sony and microsoft and don't care about PC gamers, the PC GPUS, because they got all their money coming from consoles now.

Nvidia as scummy as they fucking are, at least rely on PC gamers to make a profit.
AMD literally doesn't give a fuck anymore, they don't even have to try now.
Which is why they are overpricing their 5700XT by almost TWICE as much and "eh what ever dumb fuck buys it"
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>>71387107
>AMD doesnt care about PC gamers, the PC GPUS.
Because everyone buys nvidia regardless, AMD doesnt care about a market that never bought their gpus and never will
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>>71387019
what? rx390 cost as much as 970, sometimes more
AMD haven't undercut nvidia since R300 series when it wasn't even AMD yet
and r300 sold well comparing it to retardo fest of recent 5 years it sold brilliantly
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>thread filled with AMD and Nvidia shills making piss poor arguments that only affect the perspective on stocks
I'm just glad the consumers are smart enough to stay out of this thread. Any purchase made of a GPU is a momentary measurement. None of you would care about how 'well' AMD/Nvidia is doing with regards to their histories if you were real consumers.
The only place where it matters is with peripheral support.
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>>71387078
so basicly its all bullshit cause companies gets rebates all the time
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>>71387129
because giving up on a market is such a great strategy
>nobody bought bulldozer why fight intel
this fucking defeatist logic is retarded
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>>71381114
Could somebody explain something about average consumer mindset in USA or other first world country when buying GPU or computer parts? With all the salary being memed here spending $1000 for a few years experience seems cheap in comparison.

I'm genuinely asking this as a third world citizen.
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>>71387129
>Because everyone buys nvidia regardless
>we are just jews because everybody buys Nvidia regardless
It's the biggest fucking mental delusion ever.
>we aren't pricing things competitively because nobody would buy it even if we would
and you keep doing this and saying this year after year after year
You literally aren't giving a chance for people to actually support you
Hell I waited 8 months just to get navi and support AMD, and you know what they did, they literally went Nvidia tier while trying to get even bigger margins than nvidia, who we all mock for that shit.
and the excuse "well you woudnt even buy it anyway"
Get help serious. Defending your amd stock at this point is immoral.
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It's kind of a pity their blower is still kind of garbage. It hasn't even got idle mode.
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>>71387194
The US has a very large wage gap.
The people who earn the meme salaries (or even just a fraction of that) don't spend their time looking at building their own computers unless it's a hobby for them.
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>>71387185
exactly this.
Imagine if amd started acting retarted in the CPU market after bulldozer instead of actually trying with ryzen.
And look, they are now dominant in the CPU market.
But no we can't do the same in the GPU market why even try, nobody would even buy them, so we better increase the prices, and release noncompetitive products, that will make it better.
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>>71387172
point is, if companies actually compete we win
amd strategy should be "we will jab you in the throat like intel you greedy bastards"
nvidia should answer "nope, super will murder you in price/perf"
what is happening right now in GPU market is travesty.
the sad part AMD got a competitive product, they market it wrong.
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Just gonna keep waiting.

I want 4k/60fps without it being unreasonable. And I want it NOW. Did you hear me, guys? Now. No excuses, no bullshit.
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>>71387176
>so basically we would like you to delete this and shut it down, because the goyim shouldn't know that amd is selling them at a insane profit to where they could cut off 100$ and still make 45% profit, to the point where they would cut off 200$ and still make a small profit.
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>>71387222
2080ti.
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>>71387213
If you take that view then it's no argument. You have a brand loyalty based on market share (inverse).
It's not worth discussing (on a tech board) beyond encouraging others to take this same stance.
But that's not what's being done in here.
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>>71381114
There'd nothing wrong with the gpu division. They don't sell navi at exagerated prices because they're forced to, they do it because they want to milk you just like novideo. Uncle Huang and niece Lisa are probably fixing the prices together.
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>>71387232
That's unreasonable
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>>71387222
>4K/60fps
I don't know if I can stand 60fps any longer. I've held on for a long ass time just because I know I can never go back and monitors used to be expensive. But I'm jumping off now.
See you on the other side.
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It's funny how much the whole PC master race meme has backfired on the people suckered in. Before that became a thing (and it was almost definitely propagated by nvidia/intel/amd astroturfing campaigns), prices were much more reasonable. But then over the course of years, after pages and pages of threads and internet arguments about how PC is an elite platform, about how people who don't buy expensive PCs are plebs, pleasants, etc., over the course of all this time, what has happened? The prices have increased by like 50%. And why not? The companies involved have manufactured a mass culture within online communities that makes little overclocking forums from the past look niche. Now it's mainstream to spend 1000s on computer parts to avoid being a pleb, to avoid being left behind. All the people who invested in and acted as free cheerleaders for their growing hobby-cum-subculture, now being the main victims of its growth. Hilarious.
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>>71387222
Buy a vega 64 and play 4k on medium or even low settings ans it should give you 60-70 fps in anything
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>>71387208
>Implying we also don't have large wage gap here.
I know minimum wage is not accurate representation but here our mimimum wage are like $200-400 per month so electronics are expensive here.
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>>71387404
>play on medium
heck no
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>>71387224
>amd should sell their cards cheaper because i said so
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anyone bitching about the 5700 but thinks the 2060 and 2070 are great GPUs needs to go jump off a fucking bridge
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>>71387444
everyone is bitching because we aren't saved from 2060/2070 retarded prices.
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>>71387421
>nvidia should sell their GPUS cheaper because I said so
>intel should sell their CPUS cheaper because I said so
>my food I get should cost cheaper because I said so
What a wonderfully insane argument for a consume.
How about you try to hide the fact you have AMD stock and that you are worried it will tank because consumers rightfully wont buy this shit.
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>>71381882
Refurbed Vega 64 on Newegg for $300. Then Morpheus Vega cooler for $75. OC and undervolt. 4gay 50-60fps for $375. Or see if the RX 5700xt lives up to hype.
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>>71387410
Yeah ok.
People probably fuss more about this than they should even when they can afford it effortlessly. It's just how humans are. We're loss averse more than we're profit focused.
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>>71381114
>wintoddler
Opinion discarded.
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>two cards that compete with nvidia's mid-high range cost almost the same as nvidia except with way shittier reference design and no meme features that supposedly increased the price
>6-10 months after nvidia released their cards
Another year of not upgrading GPU because of the absolutely insane pricing all around. I can't believe I'm hoping for Intel jews of all people to spice up the competition.
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>>71387015
it is pulled from ass. printing the chip is time expensive, not cost expensive. the most expensive part of cards are rare metals used in production.
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>>71387527
If anything then we from poorer country should be the one bitching about the price of electronics.
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NOOOOO MUH STOCK
BUY NAVI GOYIM
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>>71387444
>2060 and 2070 are great GPUs

Who the fuck thinks this lmao. Everyone was hoping AMD would save us from these retarded GPUs but instead they joined them.
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>>71387482
>hurr durr you have amd stock thats why your argument is retarded
>amd needs to sell at a lower price and not make more profit instead they should make less profit because fuck logic
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>>71387562
This
AMDniggers need to seriously check themselves for defending AyyMD in this situation.
AMD is worse than Nvidia with this pricing. Only intel can save us now. Holy fuck I hate the market
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>>71387716
Kill yourself amd stock nigger.
Everyone bitched about nvidia insane prices, but at least they got meme features.
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>>71387185
>because giving up on a market where you lose money and even if you outperform your competitor is such a great strategy
ftfy, if AMD had a 2080 ti for $200 no one would buy it just because its not nvidia. Comparing intel and nvidia vs amd isn't comparable because no one but shills like intel and cpus are high margin where even bulldozer prob pulled profit (very little profit but still). There is literally no chance any company can compete with nvidia they are literally unstoppable, screencap this if intel gets into gpus they will pull out completely in 2025 after spending tens of billions on contra revenue trying to dislodge nvidia from the graphics market and failing to do so. Just accept it this is the future /v/ paid for

>>71387197
Im not reading your tldr literal reddit shit go back
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>>71381114
> shitty GPU division
vs
> shitty software division, shit GPGPU and scummy marketing
Both are bad.
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>>71387859
>everyone bitched about nvidia prices but got meme tech

dlss that literally few games use and practicly its shit

and RAY TRACING that even fewer use it and has an insane perfomance impact that makes most of the games unplayable
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>>71387714
Technically 2060 is a great GPU right now, that's how fucked we are.
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>>71387962
Amd latest turd has none of it and cost the same 10 months later.
Kill yourself.
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>>71387957
>tl;dr: it's nvidias fault
THE FUCKING COPE OF YOU AMDFAGS, OMG
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>>71387210
You just arent getting that intel isnt the same as nvidia. Intel is completely incompetent and all their real talent left the company before the athlon was even a thing. Meanwhile nvidia is at the top of their game with a lot of talent behind their company, talent that intel lacks and likewise for AMDs gpu division
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>>71387404
If you can't play on ultra settings you are literally a failure as a PC gamer.
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>>71388003
yes i agree amd would never introduce an abomination such dlss that downgrades the image quality to get more perfomance

instead they annc fidelity FX that basicly shaprens the quality on places needed for a small perfomance impact

they also annc anti lag which discards wasted calls and keeps the input lag at minimum using ACE

yeah one cheaps out cause it cant provide jack shit
the other actually uses the hardware to provide a better quality
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>>71387222

Not him, but now something more reasonable:
>2k 60 fps+ on all games in ultra with shadows on medium all the time

What card it is?
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>>71388006
>nvidia memed people into buying inferior tesla and fermi gpus when terascale was better
>obviously amd is 100% responsible for retards falling for nvidias marketing
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> wait for Navi bro
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>>71388003
DLSS is literal shit and RTX is a underbaked rushed feature that still has 0 support
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>>71388029
buy high sell low you piece of shit
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>>71387222
a used 1080ti is able to play 4K 60fps just fine, high/max settings most of the time.
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>AMD fan
can anyone explain to me being a fan of a company or brand
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>>71388072
holy yikes
DLSS was the one thing I was cautiously hopeful for and it's just pure wasted processing-power
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>>71388098
Its like supporting your football team
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>>71382271
>only people who would buy a 2070 over a RX 5700 XT are retarded and wouldnt buy it no matter what the price was
unironically this, normalfags are braindead
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>>71386888
>he thinks R&D is free
>he thinks employees work for free
>he thinks warranties are free
>he thinks facilities and storage are free
Anything under 100% of the production cost and you are selling stuff at a loss
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>>71387962
mean while AMD is selling you GPUS which features are literally a post processing SHARPENING FILTER!
At least Nvidia meme tech actually is something new that no other GPUS manage at even close to sane framerate and actually takes up silicon space so that kinda explains some extra cost
the 5700XT on the otherhand is a tiny silicone and the cost of the entire card is cheap, yet they sell it at 84% profit margins
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>>71388078
thats how you mother got pregnant and gave birth to you i imagine?
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>>71388135
Labor is included in manufacturing cost dumbass, you are a deluded retard if you think navi costs $450 to make
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>>71388139
>3 games
RTX™ is truly the savior of pc gaming™, cant wait to Raytrace™ on my $2000™ 3080ti™ i plan on buying at a buttery smooth cinematic™ 30fps at 1080p
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>>71386764
Synching frame output between VGA and monitor already has a name right? Maybe they are now syncing the entire frame generation to output to eliminate dead time.
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>>71388123
I dunno if it is, but I don't understand that either
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>>71388166
No, you are deluded if you think those numbers include all the production costs, equipment, taxes, advertisement, etc, and think companies are okay with profit margin under 100%
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>>71388139
Rick Napier, Senior Technical Product Manager at NVIDIA, told us that at its core, DLSS is a post-processing technique that improves performance over traditional anti-aliasing (AA) methods in two main ways. First of all, it simply takes less samples per pixel than current AA methods

yeah i can see how revolutionary nvidia POST PROCESSING DOWNSCALING is
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>>71388187
It's bettet than running glorified reshade sharpen on your rebrandeon sold at nvidia prices a year late.
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>>71388135
>>he thinks R&D is free
Nvidia payed for their own R&D so you should support their high prices?
Because microsoft and sony covered AMDS navi R&D.

>he thinks employees work for free
>he thinks warranties are free
>he thinks facilities and storage are free

>thinks customers should pay more than double for GPUS because it's AMD and they are the good guys

Hows your stock doing faggot?


>Anything under 100% of the production cost and you are selling stuff at a loss
Nvidia the greedy jews have been RICH on 45% profit margin.
AMD survived for years on 10-30%
NOW suddenly 84% on Navi gpus is "fine"
and "less than 100% profit is poverty, we will go bankrupt"

God...
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>>71388214
based copeposter
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>>71387714
Lots of people do. You fucking dipshits didn't get retard value from AMD so now you'll go back to sucking Nvidias dick despite the gpu market being fucked for exactly this attitude. Look at the replies in this thread
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>>71388273
Why should I buy this turd which offers noting new when I can snag a used 1080ti for half the money?
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I can see how their upscaling technologies would be good for consoles, but would any PC games make user of it, or would it be an internal setting within the drivers?
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>>71388221
So you are implying R&D shouldn't be taking into account when pricing the final product, even though it's where most of the money is spent on, because fuck companies?
>Because microsoft and sony covered AMDS navi R&D.
And they did it for free right? lmao
>AMD survived for years on 10-30%
And their shares bottomed to $2. But they should be NGOs and get almost no profit so we the consumers get cheaper products!
Fucking /v/irgins I swear
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>>71381628
The reference design is good though.
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>>71388320
>>71388329
How's your stock doing fagggot?
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>>71388319
it's upgraded anisotropy filtering in essence, I bet even nvidia will use it, it's open source
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>>71386888
The only reason they are not doing the same as the CPU pricing is because they can't lower the price. They would've priced the cards at $300-350, because that would destroy the 2060 and 2070 sales, but they didn't because they couldn't lower the price unlike their CPUs
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>>71388214
>30fps 1080p
>better
Ok yes, its slightly better than my HD 4850 for shiny shit in manchild games time to upgrade™
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>>71388320
their stock bottomed because they were in the red for 8 years with giant debts from CPU division fiasco
GPU division is the only thing that kept them alvie
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>>71388364
You need to be 18 to post here
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>>71388312
can you?
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>>71388364
Good, how's yours schlomo?
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>>71388382
you realize RTG and CPU divisions are headed by different people? you think Lisa sets up prices?
they are selling 10-15% below nvidia like by mantra for 3-5% more performance in select titles, always, since GCN became a thing
and it doesn't fucking work. they always fail and then complain nvidia gimping their performance in games.
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>>71388468
>10-15% below Nvidia
>and it doesn't fucking work
>let's price it higher then!
They are not selling the cards for cheaper because they can't, which tells you the real cost of a card including everything is way higher than some retard on the internet claims
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>>71381114
Amd doesn't care because pc builders are not their target market for a long time now.
They are doing well in their semi-custom business for consoles and in the future, for mobile gpus in exynos processors.
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>>71388549
you are too trustful in corporate machine having common sense, anon
they are following marketing canons. they don't care how much to make something costs.
>competition got x performance y price
>lets make it x+4 but for y-10
>profit
but then reality hits you in the head and AMD forced to lower prices again and again and again. RTG marketing is bad.
Nvidia lost money last two quarters because they did the same thing thinking competition can't compete, turns out consumer wallet can compete with itself and RTX didn't sell at all.
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>>71388320
>yes please amd fuck me in the ass harder
And you complain about "nvidiots"?
Good advice from me to you. End your misery

>>71388052
>amd cant into marketing
>well r&d is so expensive for amd so they have to sell worse hardware for the same price as nvidia over half a year late
So you admit that AMD is completely full of retards?
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No wonder most of you intcels are jobless
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>>71388751
what do you mean?
AMD is objectively the poorfag brand
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I'm thinking of buying the 5700 because I don't want to lose my Freesync shit (it's glorious). Do I have another alternative?
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>>71388829
Everything pascal/gtx1000 and turing/rtx2000/gtx16xx support freesync
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>>71388829
yes, nvidia supports adaptive sync
buy second hand
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>>71388614
AMD for the longest time cared more about actual products and their merits rather than spending enough marketing money to make people think for example that the 580 is better than the 1060
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>>71388839
on only a literal handful of monitors
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>>71388860
false. it's on by default on those few monitors but you can opt to enable it on unsupported monitors
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>>71381114
I agree. Their CPU division is actually giving a fuck and putting in effort. But holy fuck they need to fire the entire GPU division and redo their vision. That was a disappointment for their 5 year plan.
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>>71388839
Anon, thanks for your honest response. Why do you think the RTXs > Navi?
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>>71387019
The issue is AMD tries to compete with AMD on power MOAR CORES. They are fucking up massively. Just make something that is power efficient has performance and is not such shit. But no they have to fucking be a me to company and pull everything together in hopes people will believe them.
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I don't get the RTX meme :
Why would you buy an RX2080ti to play on 1080p?
What's the fucking point of losing 99% of your fps, just for a slighty better lighting and more accurate shadows ("wooo the shadow is here instead of there, so great!").
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>>71388916
>Why do you think the RTXs > Navi?
They're all overpriced garbage
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>>71388947
That's why I bought into the GTX 1060 6gn meme instead.
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>>71388916
Because everything AMD does is second rate and lacks focus in the GPU sector. Nvidia has a lot of support for Cuda on various video editors and emulators. AMD barely even tries to compete there because they are too busy trying to catch up with Nvidia on bleeding edge instead of making a good well rounded GPU.
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>>71388947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZdScm6SWYw
it's way better lighting in case of metro
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>>71388141
Why do pajeets always start talking about mothers? You guys are so predictable.
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>>71388829
depends on what monitor you have, but freesync works with nvidia GPUS as well.
And no I dont mean just the 12 monitors, there is a lot more that work fine, but again it depends on which monitor you have, if it has low freesync ranges it generally is bad for gpu cards as well.
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>>71382164
Is going from RX 580 to Vega 56 a good upgrade?
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>>71388846
Look I try to explain the problem for you.
First of all marketing in this area means literal jack shit. People will look up cards in their price range and will choose the one reviewers or other people tell them are the best in that specific range.
Nvidia was at the top the longest time. They were the top recommended. Radeon had the problem that, while they actually had the better cards back then. This was soon after the "Radeons drivers are a fucking disaster" meme. So nobody was really keen on trying to get the better Radeon and preferred the "safe route" with Nvidia. This is the reason people to this day claim that "nobody will buy radeon even if its better". It's bullshit to defend AMDs failure with the last few generations to come up with decent competition.
Radeon failed to address the concerns of the consumers in time, so many think radeon are shit to this day. And that's where the main problem lays. Companies are too retarded to communicate with their life insurance (aka the paying costumers). Especially Radeon needed to do that after all those "all their drivers are shit" storm, but no companies don't fucking care for their costumer base and just do mindless advertising with shit that sounds good on paper, but is never the things your customers wanted to hear.
Nvidia didn't have that much of a failure in critical times and so they are getting away with much more than Radeon ever will. Because people still rather go "safe" with the brand they know than take the leap to the underdog, because it's slightly better.
AMD really needs to up their game big time, price really attractive and be communicative with the consumers to get a decent hold on the marketshare and convince people it's worth making that jump. When they accomplish this once. They will have it way easier and it will be unlikely to drop down to former levels of marketshare.
But AMD just proved it doesn't want to and tries to go the nvidia way without the security
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>tfw unironically care about that anti-lag feature because I play games where it would actually make a huge difference (fighting games)
>nvidia is going to get a price drop and be the best price/performance with RTX of all things
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>>71381114
im disappointed in AMD, im running intel and nvidia 1080 ti in my rig and i hoped amd will release a powerfull GPU to the marked that will beat the 2080 ti.

its a fucking joke
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>>71389587
No one expected AMD to beat the 2080ti wtf are u on about.

People did expect AMD to bring good midrange cards for normal prices and they can't even do that.
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>>71389040
amd is finished
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I wonder if it's worth waiting for Navi 20, aka, true Navi since that'll totally drop the GCN parts, implement ray tracing and hopefully be more power efficient.
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>>71389791
There's no "GCN parts" in Navi10.
Navi20 is just a bigger Navi.
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>>71389784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmCX35gRxs
this is getting better. is nvidia finally going to kill console parity? I hate the prices but I can see light at the end of a tunnel.
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>>71381114
Does he have downs or is that his accent?
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>>71389973
I think he is simply Australian.
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>>71389237
>>71388841
>>71388839
the problem is nvidia intentionally ignored the freesync spec for low-framerate compensation (i.e doubling the refresh when the fps is lower than the range) so on certain monitors you get blackscreens for 2 seconds at a time unless you use a registry tweaker to adjust the adaptive sync range and hope it fixes it.

I'm going to switch from nvidia to AMD regardless now because I can't stand these fucking blanks during games, I legitimately get killed in the middle of multiplayer games because of them and they're 100% because of the driver implementation of gsync for freesync.
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>>71389817
wrong and wrong
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>>71390005
Can I get a source on that?
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>>71381944
>AIB Vega 64
vega 56 and flash 64's bios.
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Its still GCN ISA, just 2X32 SIMD lanes instead of 4x16. Probably restructured cache, maybe 2 scalar per CU now.
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>>71390040
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/agcj4a/how_to_eliminate_flickering_on_gsyncfreesync/
basically I've been tinkering with the feature since it was first introduced, I've been using the tool linked here in order to reduce its occurence.
Obviously you can get lucky and have it work 100% for your monitor but it's not as guaranteed as a lot of people say.
My monitor has an adaptive range natively of 40-144hz but I've found moving to 46-144hz has reduced this happening somewhat.
It's definitely due to lows too, for example if I open a 5k video in MPV with settings to intentionally get terrible frames the monitor will blank on cue every time, even the OSD disappears for those 2 seconds.
Tried different displayport cables too, but this thread suggests nvidia just doesn't use the same solution in their drivers that freesync was designed to use.
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Wonder if it's worth upgrading my R5 1600 or RX570 more.
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>>71390097
RX570 is probably ur bottleneck if you're a gamer

1080p should be fine, but not pushing much past 60 fps
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>>71390019
Right and right.
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>>71390005
again depends on the monitor. Some can dip into the low framerate fine, some as you said will give you a black screen. Some just have a small color shift of the monitor.
Its largely up to the monitor makes to bring up the standards more
and nvidia to do damage control for those lower standards.
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>>71389525
you say this but you probably, use AMD software to control framerate or some other shit that gives you input latency as is.

How I see it is that AMD just gives optimized settings for brainlets as all people who use free software and make sure their setup is optimal probably gain no benefit from this "anti-lag"
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>>71390670
nah, what they demoed was literal vodoo magic
they skip something in signal processing somehow, it's amazing if it's true
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>>71390914
but my current monitor has 13~ ms from clicking the mouse to getting the screen to react.
What kind of artifical retardation is 55~ ms delay? and why would I care if they reduce it from retarded 55 to 44?
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>>71390936
that's just monitor, whole signal processing takes about that time depending on your fps and monitor model read tftcentral testing methods to know how it works
20-30% drop in delay is pretty huge deal, when my monitor used to switch back to 60hz from 144hz I could feel how sluggish everything becomes
you need to A/B difference to know how it feels, it's like if you played your whole life at 30 fps and then switched to 60. going to be pretty hgue feature for consoles too.
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>>71390980
no nigger you dont understand, it's not just the monitor.
You press a button, and then that action like shooting a gun is displayed on the screen the input is around 13~ ms RIGHT NOW.
the only way you get fucking 55ms of input is if you use OLD v-sync which adds shit ton of input latency.
So what the fuck is AMD testing and doing?!
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>>71390980
>you need to A/B difference to know how it feels, it's like if you played your whole life at 30 fps and then switched to 60. going to be pretty hgue feature for consoles too.
me agian, NIGGER I play at 144hz for years now. And I am telling you this shit makes no sense, fucking actually test real world examples right now.
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>>71391004
Not him but the guy you originally replied to. Game input lag is different than monitor input lag. Input lag with a game WIDELY varies depending on engine and how its set up. Nothing to do with vsync though vsync in those same games will also increase it.

Tekken 7 for example has 78.9ms/4.73f input lag. Without taking into account any input lag from your system. It may sound small, but its important in fighting games where 1 frame can separate whether a move is generally considered reactable.
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>>71391004
hm, I remembered it wrong you are right
55 is a lot. modern mouse/kb take less than 10ms too, 144hz monitors stay under 7ms to go frame by frame on input lag
so was it marketing trick? hope someone tests it properly when it comes out.
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>>71381114
They should just focus on CPUs
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I had a 56 it was Al over the place in terms of perf compared to my 1080 so I sold both of them and got a 2080ti which should last me a few years at least until amd catch back up
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Nvidia price gouges with new shitty GPUs
>/g/ - Fuck Nvidia
AMD price gouges just as hard with new shitty GPUs 10 months later
>/g/ - Fuck Nvidia

Fucking kek at you AMD idiots. Biggest corporate stooges of any board on 4chan.
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>>71381114
But the 5700 is literally what Vega 56 was 2 years ago.
Is this bait?
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Last gen midrange 200-300
this gen "midrange" 400-500
next gen "midrange" 600-700

Thanks AMD for enabling Nvidia.
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>>71391864
the 5700 is gonna sell like hotcakes in 6 months time especially when people realise you can flash an xt bios
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>>71391864
for literary same price, GPU market is stupid
are they expecting for everyone to have mass amnesia?
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>>71391948
you can't, its locked down this time
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AMD's really gonna be fucked when the RTX 20 super series comes out in the next couple of months
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maybe prices will drop after release as opposed to spiking?
I get that this is a new process and architecture but AMD seriously overpriced this
they needed to establish a base around this technology and sell it in volume, even at a loss to see it adopted. seriously if this is any good it should lay the foundation for several years of improvements, but instead the customer is expected to eat the cost of R&D and manufacturing, prior to the architecture having been refined. it's like paying a premium to beta test.
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>>71392085
>maybe prices will drop after release as opposed to spiking?
irrelevant, PR damage is done
also some markets do not go below MSRP, ever, it's set in stone price for half of the world.
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>>71391080
>Tekken 7 for example has 78.9ms/4.73f input lag. Without taking into account any input lag from your system. It may sound small, but its important in fighting games where 1 frame can separate whether a move is generally considered reactable.
The fuck are you peddling?!
I just told you, real world game tests, show input lag between 10-20ms on a good setup. This includes the mouse, the pc(motherboard, memory, cpu, gpu) and the monitor.
It's a TOTAL input latency between clicking a mouse button and seeing something on the screen, which takes in every possible latency.
And I repeat, real world examples are around 10-20ms right now.

So I have no idea what fucking test they are doing that has a 55ms latency, which is something you get usually if you turn on old V-sync.
Reducing that to 44ms is still shit and TWICE AS MUCH THAN WHAT I AM USING RIGHT NOW

SO I ASK AGAIN, what the fuck is this "anti-lag" shit that is being peddled to people who have no idea about technology?!
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>>71392085
watch it chrissy
they already did that with the vega, they wont do it again
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>>71391082
you can read some stuff here >>71392134
but
They gave zero explanation on how it works.
Produced bogus "default" numbers and then proceeded to heroically overcome those made up numbers.
So to me personally it looks like a MASSIVE marketing gimmick right now.
And I will certainly wait for 3rd party reviewers and testers to actually test this tech to see if it has any merit before investing money into it.
This again, seems gimmicky, much like them selling you "image sharpening filter" as a feature that you supposedly can't use for free on every GPU right now.
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>>71391922
its the customers fault, i-i-i-ts Nvidias fault we raised our prices as well!
We tried to set a lower price, but nvidia said it would kill our kids if we did that and forced us to price them at 84% profit margin. Why did you do this to us gamers?!
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>>71392112
dunno maybe people will boycott it
mid-tier PC makers are better informed and more in touch with the market than ever.
>>71392137
if they didn't learn their lesson the first time, maybe someone in management should be given a long unpaid vacation.
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>>71392112
>irrelevant, PR damage is done
It boggles my mind how AMD threw this opportunity to win in both CPU and GPU and instead decided to commit PR suicide.
>also some markets do not go below MSRP, ever, it's set in stone price for half of the world.
Also this.
They can lower it by twice in a month or two, but I will never see those prices. Even after 2-3 years the prices stay MSRP.
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>>71392189
>the first time
vega was the third time. there is a reason why everyone makes fun of AMD GPUs even though they have decent enough hardware.
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AMD gains NOTHING from selling the cards cheap.
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>>71392249
they would gain good porition of the market share, good pr, and profit.
Instead they chose terrible PR, less market share, and ultimately less profit.

They are literally selling you a 250$ card for 449$
This is beyond fucked.
People are unironically hoping intel and Nvidia will actually come out with GPUS that move the price/performance bar, that's how bad it is.
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>>71392249
they gain customers and more importantly, developer interest. raytracing needs to be more economical tbqh and I would hope having a (single) GPU that everyone eats up would inspire someone to provide an algorithm that works smoothly on consumer grade hardware.
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>>71392044
>that will be 999$ + tax, sir
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>>71392272
>they would gain good porition of the market share
History proven this point incorrect. Making their cards cheaper only stifles their ability to do proper R&D and stagnate within two generations.
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>>71392302
>they gain customers
Only if Nvidea doesn't lower their prices as well, and then they are off worse than before.

RDNA is new though, not sure why anyone expected cheap cards from it.
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>>71392322
>History proven this point incorrect.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASING GOOD GPUS IN FUCKING AGES
DONT FUCKING CRY TO ME THAT 10 YEARS AGO THEY MADE 1 GPU THAT WAS BETTER AND CHEAPER AND THE MARKET DIDNT BUY IT UP SO NOW THEY WILL FOREVER PRODUCE SHIT AND OVERPRICE IT TO BOOT BECAUSE "HURRR NOBODY IS GOING TO BUY OUR SHIT ANYWAY"
WHY MAKE GPUS AT ALL THEN WITH THAT MENTALITY?! IF NOBODY WILL BUY THEM SURELY YOU ARE JUST WASTING MONEY!?
BECAUSE PEOPLE DO BUY THEM, THEY DO MAKE A PROFIT, JUST NOT AS MUCH AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEIR ARCHITECURE IS GARBAGE FOR GAMING AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME BOTH HOT AND LOUD TO BOOT, SO DONT CRY TO ME ABOUT GAMERS NOT BUYING AMD AND THE DROP OF A HAT
FUCKING! AMD STOCK HOLDERS FUCK OFF!
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>>71392322
>Making their cards cheaper only stifles their ability to do proper R&D and stagnate within two generations.
Their Navi R&D way payed by microsoft and sony.
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>>71392272
It's not a $250 card. When 28nm was the hot new process the HD 7870 was $350 and that was a smaller die than 5700xt.
AMD is not going to gain any customers by advertising a low MSRP they can't fulfill because supply isn't high enough.
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>>71392368
HD3xxx-HD7xxx
Is their fucking golden age, age when nobody gave a shit and nobody bought their products when they were on top of the fucking world.
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>>71392249
yeah, except customers and huge volume moved
AMD is expecting cryto sales - they will barely sell navi at all this year.
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>>71392322
yeah, except AMD was at 40% market share before 970
then nvidia did 970 and murdered amd market share down to 15% by selling cheap.
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>>71392272
>they would gain good porition of the market share, good pr, and profit.
no one can be this delusional

what amd does is offering comparable performance for comparable price. Doesnt matter if their 8 months late.
You fucks are salty big time navi isn't good enough for nvidia being forced to go down 200$
The exact same shit we had on vega launch
>>71392389
>HD 7870 was $350
now apply inflation
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>>71392391
and I bought amd cards during that time.
Then I had to switch to nvidia because they were offering a better deal in terms of performance and price.
It's been a decade and I really wish to support AMD and what do I get a bunch of defeatist bullshit delusion of how it's the customers and nvidia fault that they have to price cards at retarded prices.
Just go back to monitoring your stock prices.
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I have a 980 strix, suck my dick.
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>>71392463
you did, nobody else did. That is the problem. AMDs market share didn't increase to the level when they could keep the R&D and pump cards as they did. Selling higher makes way more sense.
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>>71392469
I don't know what that means
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>>71392436
>what amd does is offering comparable performance for comparable price. Doesnt matter if their 8 months late.
It's offering comperable performance at a higher TDP, 8 months later, with no features that actually cost them more money to implement like raytracing taking up space on the die FOR OVERBLOWN CRYPTO CURENCY PRICES THAT NVIDIA ADOPTED AND THAT EVERYBODY HATES NVIDIA FOR

>You fucks are salty big time navi isn't good enough for nvidia being forced to go down 200$
>The exact same shit we had on vega launch
DELUSIONAL AMD STOCK HOLDER COPE!
People want to buy AMD, they HATE nvidia and rather than swoop in this time where people are ready to buy amd, they decide to show everybody that they are just as bad as Nvidia.
You are absolutely insane and this THIS whole thing will only work in Nvidia favor.
AMD blew a big chance in terms of GPU market.
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>>71392501
my guy
you are fucking delusional if you think crypto is the reason for these prices
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>>71392484
>you did, nobody else did.
Got any fucking proof to that or are you literally writing an imaginary story based on nothing.
If amd is going to use that period as an excuse forever there is literally no point to their gpu department.

>Selling higher makes way more sense.
WTF Nvidia are good guys now then?
It's not that they are ripping you off, they just need to fund their R&D to give you new, better GPUS.
Unlike AMD that gets its R&D money form sony and microsoft.

Great, by your logic Nvidia are the good guys. Except we know they aren't.
But I guess it's hard for you to both condem Nvidia for doing X and at the same time praise AMD for doing X as well.
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Reminder that amd stock holders are defending this garbage pretty much everywhere on the internet.
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>>71392322
ok you're right. buying the hottest new GPU these days will net you a few FPS on the highest settings of the latest AAA title.
$/FPS is the most relevant metric in measuring if a GPU is worth buying.
this is becoming less and less important as technology improves to the point where any GPU will provide a surplus of FPS in titles gamers want to play.
these cards could gain AMD customers if they were priced accessibly and paired with a new technology that drastically improves visual fidelity, namely real-time raytracing.
AMD should be looking to create a product so gratifying that it will guarantee a returning customer who will buy products that are more profitable.
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>>71392519
it was a trigger. then nvidia got in monopoly situation and started doing monopoly 101 - increase margins
it didn't work out though because sales are down significantly compared to 10xx series which were already overpriced to hell
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>>71392534
Proof is here >>71387026. AMD only saw spike in HD5xxx everything else was a dip while nVidia was making overpriced, overheating piles of shit.
>good guys now
What a strange way to look at the world.
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>>71392534
>>71392540
especially if it's the case that Microshaft and Sonny paid the bill for developing this thing.
maybe they pressured AMD to make it super expensive ?
>hey we're throwing you a bone here, now you gotta make sure we're getting our money's worth
in getting the bill paid by other corporations, maybe control of price was forfeited.
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>>71392649
>sony and ms are responsible for navi prices
>it's always someone else's fault

Holy fucking shit. Amd niggers never chsnge.
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>>71392710
I'm just trying to fathom how they could fuck up so hard but you clearly lack reading comprehension and are racist
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>>71391080
Irrelevant. Tournament standard is console which has more lag than PC anyway.
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>>71391080
>almost 80ms of input lag for a fighting game
do they route your USB device across the country or something?
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>>71392027
It's not.
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>>71393021
they DRM locked it. they told so directly to GN
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>>71392249
AMD and Nvidia gain NOTHING from selling cards below $1000.
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>>71391080
Fighting games are dead on PC, not even sure why this is brought up. The best game to use is probably CSGO but top players still play that game on literal potatoes and it's more about game sense and predicting where to point rather than raw reaction time
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>>71392185
No it's really AMD's fault. They saw the same Nvidia earnings reports everyone else did. Almost half the revenue from gaming, and the tards at AMD still decided it would somehow be a good idea to go with Nvidia pricing when Nvidia is a much stronger brand with more features and even they couldn't get away with their prices
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Goddamn I feel good with my 1080Ti.
GPU market is a total mess, and it looks like my boy won't need a replacement anytime soon.
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>>71391080
>Tekken 7 for example has 78.9ms/4.73f input lag.
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>>71393412
>No it's really AMD's fault. They saw the same Nvidia earnings reports everyone else did. Almost half the revenue from gaming, and the tards at AMD still decided it would somehow be a good idea to go with Nvidia pricing when Nvidia is a much stronger brand with more features and even they couldn't get away with their prices
this, I have no idea where they got the balls to be so jewish.
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>>71392823
Kys nigger
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>>71392134
Google it, it's not fucking hard. You can believe this or any of the other million fucking links regarding input lag in fighting games. Or test it yourself, I don't care. Don't be a dumbass in your replies to me when the information can be so easily found though.
https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/

>>71392894
The fuck do you mean irrelevant? PC is the standard for Tekken 7 players for practicing at home, even for Koreans. The game has delay netcode so PC is the better choice with lower input lag.

>>71393391
>dead
>can load it up and get matches instantly
Tekken 7 and SFV (cross platform) are not dead on PC.

>>71394404
60FPS lock on every fighting game. Like I told the other guy, google it. This data is important for fighting games so its easy as fuck to find.
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man i had a chance to be fpbp yesterday but i thought this thread wouldnt go anywhere. shoulda said something funny
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>>71382105
THIS. Prices for Zen2 and Navi are what they are because the current 7nm doesn't give a good yields for these large chips. The yield is good enough to make products, but not good enough for actually large supplies at lower prices.
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>>71392501
>muh stock
based strokeposter
keep fighting the good fight anon
>just as bad as Nvidia
like did you believe AMD being Robin Hood?
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>>71395397
It means that people play tournaments on consoles. If you practice on fucky delay you will drop shit in tournaments. Literally happened in SF5.
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>>71392134
>>71395397
>https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
I just grabbed the first link and didn't notice it only shows consoles. Here's a link for PC without vsync.
https://twitter.com/noodalls/status/1004353214324436992

>>71395684
If you don't play Tekken then don't talk about it like you know. Lower input delay on PC = less input delay online, PC is the preferred platform for playing at home, like I said. Plus there's the fact you can run the framedata app on PC. SFV is rollback netcode where you HAVE to run vsync or it fucks up your connection. There's a difference, however even the best SFV players play online.
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>>71395763
Of course it matters you fucking retard, any change in delay if played over long periods of time will mess up your timings, especially on delay based netcode. Vsync also has absolutely nothing to do with fucking up connection, disabling vsync just straight up lowers the delay by couple frames which is why some players struggled when playing tournaments initially when the whole thing was discovered.

Fuck off retard.
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>>71381114

Radeon VII, out preforms the RTX2080Ti I thankfully was able to return.

Was stupid enough to get a GTX 660Ti back in the day instead of an AMD GPU like I always had before. Unstable, slow, crashes, ran hot as fuck.

Went to a RX 470 with a new PC after that joke. Zero issues with drivers, stable, runs quite, no heat issues. Still using it on my linux PC. Hasn't had an issue ever.

Fuck nvidia bots
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>>71395950
>SFV
>Vsync also has absolutely nothing to do with fucking up connection
>he doesn't know
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It literally happens in SFV. If you disable vsync it will cause more teleporting online thanks to desync and rollback netcode.

>any change in delay if played over long periods of time will mess up your timings, especially on delay based netcode.
If you check that displaylag link it shows PS4's input lag, 4.8f/79.9ms. Lets say you play Tekken 7 on PC, vsync turned off, and as shown in the link I posted you have 56.9ms base input lag online. You have a 23ms difference between the two platforms. What do you think the average ping between somebody who lives relatively close together is? Would you guess less than 40ms? Less than 30ms? Now consider the same thing but you live in Korea, for example.

Retard.
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>>71396064
People who play in Japan and Korea on average have 1-2f delay and they are blessed for having so many people to play with, no matter the platform.

And yeah it doesn't happen because only retards play with crossplay enabled. Facts are exactly what I said, I don't give a shit about your stupid bullshit so fuck off retard.
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>>71396104
*moves goalposts*
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>>71396030
>Radeon VII, out preforms the RTX2080Ti
No it doesn't, shithead
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>>71382194
Based on the fact that THESE ARE FUCKING MID RANGE Cards! No fucking way a mid range card with xx70 performance costs 499 . It s a joke.
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>>71395397
>https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
>I just grabbed the first link and didn't notice it only shows consoles. Here's a link for PC without vsync.
>I just grabbed the first link and didn't notice it only shows consoles. Here's a link for PC without vsync.
fucking twitter, really?
Are you a faggot?

Here is ACTUAL PC GAMES ON MODEN MONITORS AND NOT TVS
https://youtu.be/L42nx6ubpfg?t=465
https://youtu.be/L42nx6ubpfg?t=465
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>>71397789
>guy who does input lag tests for everything fighting games related isnt reliable!!!
>this guy testing something that isn't even a fighting game, at 144fps, is who you should listen to
kys retard, fighting games do not run at anything over 60FPS so not only is your shit irrelevant you're also a dumbass who cant read
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>>71382057
Considering the snake oil salesman that tanked RTG is now in charge at Intel, don't get your hopes up.
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>>71389291
you are literally just using synonyms to describe marketing
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So I have a R9 390 right now on a Ryzen 5 2600x/32gb ram/SSD system. Would you recommend waiting for 3600 pricing or acquire a used Vega 56 and mildly OC it.

I'm looking at around the $250-350 price range. I'm seeing new 56 power color cards for around $300 and used reference models for about $250.
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>>71381114
why the dent?
did they drop it
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Since Navi is getting expensive while having less features than Nvidia, my next card would be Nvidia. I hope that Intel will change it, otherwise we would be doomed.
>>71386755
I know right.
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>>71388072
>>71388115
Wait for DLSSx2
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>>71392304
it will outperform AMD while having more features.
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>>71399437
Vega 56
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Navi pricing, you bunch of yelping dogs.
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>>71396790
Nice fake news retard, 5700XT is msrp at $449 with better performance
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imagine you could have avoided all this sidegrade bullshit if you just bought a 1080ti
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>>71381114
First of all its a blower card for $450, so cards with real heatsinks will be $480+.
Second its better to just get a RTX 2060.
Third, Nvidia turing refresh if real will make the RX 5700 XT a total joke which is already is.

Those 2 cards should have been atleast $300 or less if they wanted to be successful.
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>>71401112
Why would anyone buy the RTX 2060 over the RX 5700 when the RX 5700 is like 20% faster and has more vram?
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>>71387414
>>71388028
Based retards. Play in high. In most games, you cannot see the difference at all but you sure can feel the smoother frametimes.
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>>71401202
2060 is cheaper. and 20% in two games doesn't count.
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>>71401112
300$ or less lmao. This is the type of fucking retard that is killing the market. Please fucking kill yourself already
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>>71384702
7nm doesn't have yields good enough for a price war. Prices are going to stay this high untill EUV gets used.
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>>71401541
>Wanting GPU prices match their performance is wrong
Hi goldsteinebrg.
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>>71401541
Kys amd stock nigger
5700xt should be $350 at most with proper cooler
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>>71401541
>yes, buy 1080 performance 3 times in a row, for the same price! yeees, make us happy!
Nvidia losing billion per quarter got to tell you what state market is in.
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>>71381114
>I'm an AMD fan
You must spin pretty fast, don't you.
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>
>in the fucking title of a video
massive yikes mate
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>>71399437
2600X and $300 Red Dragon or Pulse Vega 56 is a really good combo, whether for medium refresh rate 1440p or high refresh rate 1080p.

No real point in waiting for the 3600 when the CPU won't be your bottleneck, unless you want better perf/watt.

>>71396790
Yep, this is midrange now. And you guys told Nvidia you want them to have a near-monopoly and to raise midrange prices to $600.
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>>71401498
>perrformance doesnt matter
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>>71383457
How do you assume to know how their business works?
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>>71381114
I have an RX 580 and the NAVI 5700 looks pretty good



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