How do I delete other people's posts in this forum?
>>71366651Hilarious! Which one do you have?
>>71366651750$ btfo 1700$ part
>>71366651lmao intel absolutely btfo
>1k cheaper.>Boosts higher.>Mfw even if Intel slashed their prices 50% they couldn't compete.
>>71366651and not pictured, ECC support on many AM4 boards. Intel charges an even bigger premium for that on xeons.
>>71366651>PCIe 3>1/4 the cache>a laptop's worth of additional power draw>2.5x the priceFufufu
>>71366729>Intel>lowering pricespick one, because they only know one thing: BRUTE FORCE. They're now going to go ahead and make a 10-core/10-thread mainstream i9 and have it require an AIO.
>>71366651cons:consume 70% more powerlower clockboost lowerone third of a cache pros:costs 130+%
>>71366729yes all that other stuff that was leaked about zen 2 that turned out to be false be damnedsurely these totally hypothetical prices will be accurate
mommy lisa this nut is for you
>165WThat's gonna be 250 real watts, what the fuck. I thought they nabbed Keller to avoid building a bulldozer.
>>71366815> totally hypothetical pricesWhat the hell are you on about?Do you not realize that they JUST CONFIRMED the price of $749?
We are witnessing a monumental shift in the consumer cpus
>>71366883a shift from dual channel memory to dual channel memory! very much wow!
>>71366803Yeah there's zero chance of Intel ever cutting their prices. Especially now since they'd have to do such a radical price cut that it's not even conceivable for them. They're literally out of the game for years to come with these higher core versions.When Threadrippers arrive they're going to be kicked in the nuts again. It's like every time they try to get up AMD delivers another kick to their balls.10 core mainstream from Intel that still beats the competition in gaming would be one hell of a housefire.
>>71366967>It's like every time they try to get up AMD delivers another kick to their balls.AMD said the same thing during the Athlon daysCounting out a billion dollar company is retarded
>>71366651But where's the benchmarks?
>>71366992just buy a money printer.
Who needs this much parallel processing CPUs aren't getting faster they're just getting bigger
Your daily reminder.
>>71366729Man, I can't wait to buy Intel shares at $2.
>24 vs 68 PCIE lanes>Dual channel DDR4 vs quad channel DDR4.Yikes
>>71366651>no 18c/36t AMDrones BTFO
>>71370513>platform up to 68 lanesThe CPU still has like 20.
>>71366651OH NO BROS, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RUPPEES, I HAVE TO START CAMMING NOW
>>71366720>didn't buy at 2 $me on the right
>>71371021With those clocks, the 3950x might beat the 9980XE flat out.
>>71368901The more cores the average person has, the more developers will actually have to try and multithread their program.
>>71366674>>71366729>>71371021Pretty sure it BTFOs the 18 core as well despite having less cores, as well.>>71366803>>71366967Yep.There are fanboys and uninformed people which will still buy it.If anything, they'll increase prices like they did with the 9000 series, to offset the lower sales volume.>>71371937We're already seeing games scaling to n-number of cores. A few will often use at least 16 of the cores (with SMT idle) on the 2950X.I think we're going to see 6c/12t the minimum to simply get a smooth 60fps on next gen console port games or simply next gen games on engines which were designed for the next consoles.Sure, next gen consoles are 8c/16t, but the lower clock speeds mean they're the same as a 6c/12t at 33% higher clocks. Though they do also have less OS and background overhead.But 8c/16t to 12c/24t is going to be the ideal.
>>71366651How is nobody looking at the important specs?>intel>165W>AMD>105Wlmao, housefires are back!
>>71370096Short them now and become rich. Why would you buy them after they're finished when you can make money during their long fall?
Would the 3600x be enough for 4k max settings 90fps gaming?
>>71373345really? 4k is GPU bottleneck while CPU will mostly hover at 30% usage m8
>>71373345I dare say yes. I don't play much games now, but ryzen 5 1600 gives me 80 to 100 fps in hunt:showdown. Though I have no idea what GPU will offer that kind of performance, even 2080 ti isn't capable of that.
Intel 10nm supershitter 2020
>>71372282Why did they draw in a shitty line? Why not just invert the P and mirror it?
>9800x>$170 less than the 3950x>outperforms it in most tasks>amdbros: w-we won!!!111
>>71374440It only burns your house down faster kek
>>71374440>8 core 3.8 GHz Skylake outperforms 16 core Zen 2What
>>71366651>3600X 12 cores95W>3700X 16 cores65Wexplain pls
>>7137466095W is a headroom since it's aimed for value tier OverClocking. 3700X is coming as-is, so has pretty lackluster OverClocking.
>>71366812Pros: 2700% more hardware vulnerabilities
This is no reason to buy the 3950x when the 2950x is only 50 bux more, motherboard costs around the same, you get a better platform, and support for 32/64 what ever core TR4s that come out.
>>71374693Thank you for posting this.
>>71366651>threadsI thought you have to disable hyper threading on Intel if you don't wanna get fucked by those security issues?
>>71374693If you want a 16-core Threadripper, get the 1950X. The 2950X is basically less than 10% faster, but still costs $300 more ($800 vs. $500).
>>71374679The more vulnerabilities the better, goy!
>>71374693Except that I don't need all those lanes yet, but I'd like the cores anyways? I have a good x370 board with 3200MHz RAM, it should be fine just slapping that in. Besides, we have no guarantee newer threadrippers will followsuit with AM4. I'm pretty sure they're going to do a new socket to include PCI 4.0.
>>71376075It's always a possibility that they could just skip PCIE4.0 and go straight to PCIE5.0
>>71376133That too but I'm not sure Rome has that kind of support. Zen3 Threadrippers are going to be bonkers if they have 3 threads per core.
>>71371234NEED RUPEES FOR CORE2DUO SIRS
>>71366651>165 Inb4 meltdown
>>71366651WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?????????????
>>71366651>AMD side >Boost Freq>Intel side>INTEL™ TURBO BOOST MAX TECHOLOGY
>>71378473>no leather jacketRuined
>>71374452>lowers idle temperatures by 20c just by milling the cpu to a flat surfacegood to see the times haven't changed
>>71378439Needs more turbo booft
>>71374951fuck off, bully, intel's slides are better>https://imgur.com/a/xh2ny
>>71375003holy shit batman, i remember you from the old Fermi threads laughing at Nvidia
>>71381269What in tarnation
>>71372282They're not directly comparable, senpai. They use non-standard metrics to find TDP.
>>71372189>2008 era graphics with HL2-tier water>absolutely nothing is going on at the scene - 2.5 actors, 5 raindrops, no particle-heavy shit, fucking nothing>57 fucking FPS with 32 4ghz cores and 1080Ti4K or not, just jesus fucking christ.AAA graphics did not improve much at all since Crysis, despite current gen flagman GPUs being literally -two- orders of magnitude faster than 8800 Ultra. Even some Unity piece of shit won't run on C2D E8400/8800 Ultra with comfortable FPS today.https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-10-year-anniversary-benchmarks,5329-4.htmlhttps://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-8800-Ultra-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti/m14944vs4027people aren't shitting on game coders nearly enough.
>>71366651Really who is buying any of these? I'm still happy with my Haswell i5 here. It's still faster than any laptop.
>>713666513700x and 3900x looks like the sweetspots.
>>71366840It will take a while for keller cpus to come
>>71382202Anyone on an older core i7 series. I'm still not sure if the AMD bandwagon is worth it or to just get another Intel.
>>71382170> game coders Are enthusiasts who work for a minimum wage for corporations.
>>71382170games are no longer a reflection of what bleeding edge hardware can do but lootbox cashgrabs for twitch retards anon
>>71383042games are no longer a reflection of what bleeding edge hardware can do because it turns out that gameplay is more important than implementing the latest version of the 'uncanny valley'.FTFY
>>71383106>defending the jew that got us into 4x electron.exe per app and 1 core or heavily unoptimized 8 core games
>>71382695If you're still on a core i7 920 in 2019 you obviously don't care THAT much about performance. You can buy an entire HP Z440 Xeon 1650v3 system for $400. Why spend $400 on JUST a CPU?>>71383138>defending the Jewok Nazi
>>71383198anything wrong anon? would you like to discuss your ((( lootboxes ))) minigame?
>>71383242Get that racist shit out of here. This isn't /pol/.
>>71383334fucking retard defending ((( lootboxes ))) its very obvious ur glowing in the dark kike
>>71366651I know, its funny how much intel beats Ryzen at Optane support.Ryzen a' la' shit if it can't support the best
>>71383242okay this is HELLA EPIC. LETS MEET AT A NAZI RALLY, BROTHER!
4790k here, switching as soon as Zen 2 releases.
>>71366651This kills the HEDT
>>71383521>gamecachelol? obviously you need a $500 CPU for... gaming.
>>71384057I do, actually. Imagine being a corelet to a PS5? How embarrassing. I also need the extra cores for my work flow on virtual machines.
>>71384057considering the 9900k was the 'best' gayming cpu, yes
>>71383431Why? What's wrong with your 4790K?
>>71383521not with 2 channel ram it doesn't
Has anybody done cache performance benchmarks on these? Their design means there has to be massively higher latency on L3
>>71374660Learn to read, kid.
>>71384792Objectively wrong, doubling L3 increased latency from 35 to 40 cycles, basically nothing
>>7138524440 cycles on what? the local CCX? lmao, no wonder the RAM latency is still shit
>>71374693My problem right now is I'd have to get my hands on another B-die CL13 3200MHz 2x16GB of RAM to make the move to X399. And say I do. What then? TR has numa issues with Windows and all the TR stuff out right now is 14nm or 12nm based still. Not only that, I'd have to get a new cooler as well.Where as if I wait for Ryzen 3xxx, I get 16c32t and can keep my cooler and not have to buy another RAM kit. Besides, PCIe 4.0 is twice as fast as 3.0
>>71374693>IPC doesnt existJust get a super cheap high clocking 8 core bulldozer
>>71370096This if we now need to force intel to be competitive.
>>71383334I thought this /g/ - politically incorrect and dragon dildos
>>71385578More likely both will stop making money on CPUs. x86 on the edge of irrelevance..
>>71385630>says the ARMposter for the thousandth time this yearIf you can recompile literally everything to run on ARM and the performance isn't shit, then I'm all for it. Who are going to make the chips tho?
>>71385860Apple's already making some.
>>71386099That's actually one of the better decisions I've seen apple made recently.
>>71386118>Tablet memory out performs all laptopsOH NO NO NO NO
>>71386164LPDDR4X is hot shit. Standard modules are 4266MT/s.
>>71386099>The A12X is manufactured by TSMC using a 7 nm FinFET process, and it contains 10 billion transistors vs. the 6.9 billion on the A12.>TSMC>based in TaiwanThis could create issues for Apple if Taiwan uses local resources which actually are built upon or use resources from the mainland. Disputing issues in Taiwan at one level should be similar to how it is done in the west, as Taiwan has proper court system. However, trying to attach a dispute to Chinese manufacturers is much harder. It is becoming clear that China's lack of a system for dispute resolution impacts the quality of their products. The users of those products are not able to enforce any system to guarantee the product's quality.
>>71383431>>71384774Don't believe the side-grade meme. I went from a 4790K to a R7 1700. Was a huge performance gain.
>>71386208Those graphs disagree with you.
>>71366783Intel tdp is not power draw
>>71386332>huge performance gainfor what application?
>>71386222>couldYeah it could. Then again, Apple could switch to Samsung or even Intel for fab purposes.
>>71384774aren't newer processors faster?
>>71386332Was it really?
>>71385600tfw no redpilled wife (male)
>>71387727>>71388200post your own preferred benchmark then>>71387689of course. is your processor bottlenecking your application?
>>71386348>Intel tdp is not power drawPower draw is even higher on intels. TDP is thermal dissipation, so they give twice the heat off now. GG intel, summer can come with your own personal central heating.Can their i9-9999kys even still be aircooled without perma-throttling and underclocking itself?
>>71388392I'd love to but everyone who tests Apple products has a giant throbbing boner for Cachebench.
>>7136696116 Cores for 1/3 the Intel blood tax.
>>71381861>https://imgur.com/a/xh2nyThe Intel lawyers are having a field day.
>>71388475They 9900K does double the TDP in power draw just by running inside it's factory defined boost envelope.
>>71383521Why exactly are we suppoed to buy the 3800x again instead of the 3700x? $70 more for 0.1ghz more clock?
>>71388720Base clock is higher, so I'm guessing higher binning for better overclocking/lower voltage? Every X chip should have XFR2 enabled by default in BIOS. Best off waiting for an in-depth review.
>>71383334missed the quads kike.
>>71385382>TR has numa issues with WindowsEven with the May 2019 (Windows 10 1903) update?
We are now forever going to be stuck on 16 cores because windows wont update their shitty pozzed scheduler.On the bright side, that means cpu's are now progressing so fast that compatibility cant keep up.
>>71366651>16c/32t>base clock 3.1 Ghz>boost clock 4.5 Ghz>cache 22 MB>tdp 165W>price $1684>16c/32t>base clock 3.5 Ghz>boost clock 4.7 Ghz>cache 64 MB>tdp 105W>price $749
>>71390090>We are now forever going to be stuck on 16 cores because windows wont update their shitty pozzed scheduler.He doesn't know.
>>71390090The hardware is already very complex and advanced, the software side is still shitty garbage made by retarded pajeets.
>>71389663He also missed the oven
>>71390208I know, anon. I know that the 2990wx was a neglected child that never reached its full potential because its environment never loved it.
>>71385630>x86 doesn't matter!
>>71390461you don't know about the scheduler update?
>>71390628The slide only says it keeps threads on the same ccx and clock selection latency improvements.It says nothing about not juggling 64 threads around anymore.
>>71382170>"optimized" for consoles>which even with low level access and unified architecture only reach 8800 levels of performance>hamfisting ports onto PC through sub-optimal wrappersBe real cool if they got it right this gen and streamlined optimized porting to PC between Vulcan and DX. Considering MS's newfound love for PC and AMD pushing hard in gaming CPUs and performing decently in the GPU segment they inhabit as well as manufacturing the semi-customs for PS5 and Xbox I think there's a lot of impetus for better porting tools and features.
>>71366651Fight me IRL
>>71366992>higher is better
Anyone got that 10 year old post complaining about possible vulnerabilities in the core 2 intel CPUs?
>>71390090Then don't use Windows as your main OS? Linux is super comfy, I can't even remember the last time I booted to Windows.
>>71374660>>713746726 core is worse bin and all core base is higher, 8 core is better bin and all core base is lower>>71388720better binning so better boost (pbo, xfr) or overclock
https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-vs-intels-18-core-i9/>AMD Ryzen 9 3950X with 61K points is the Fastest Processor on Geekbench, Destroys Intel’s 18-Core i9-9980XE
>>71366651>2600x>6c/12t>$229>3600>6c/12t>$249are we fucking regressing? fuck amd.
>>71396543>can't even see it's 3600XGo see an optometrist and then kill yourself.
>>71396543still cheaper than intel
>>71396592>miss out an X>all pricing and everything else is still as the image tells>hurr muh spellcheck durrneck yourself retard. give me one good reason why you're paying more for shit we got ages ago for cheap? if this was nvidia YOU know yourself you'd be shitting on them as much as you can.
>>71396593yeah sure, that still doesn't justify why we should be paying more for the same thing we got just a couple years ago for cheaper. if anything the new manufacturing process and stuff should reduce the price of this, not make it more expensive. this is maximum jew no matter how anyone tries to twist it (from a consumer standpoint). intel and nvidia have done this exact same bullshit before and got absolutely shat on about it by this board. why does amd suddenly get a free pass?
>>71396610Better IPC better clocks and better efficiency, retarded nigger.
>>71396770>Better IPC better clocks and better efficiencythat justifies the higher price? every generation we get better clocks and efficiency yet prices go down over time (inflation aside). if price goes up every time a product with better IPC, clocks and efficiency comes out, by your own logic fucking dual cores should be like $500 by now because all of those categories have gone up massively since the first dual cores. yet as me and you both know that isn't the case. price should go down and products improve to give you better products for cheaper. this is essentially amd being anti consumer (intel aside) because of their market lead right now. do you also give nvidia a free pass for charging more for last gen performance like they did with the turing series?
>>71396838Previous Ryzens were underpriced.
>>71386348It is the power draw... at base clock and with turbo disabled. They don't measure it with turbo enabled.Power draw will equal heat output and vice versa with computers for many more years. Our thinking rocks really suck in efficiency converting only 0.0005% power into computations. The rest is put off as straight heat.
>>71396543>2600X>3.6/4.2 Ghz>16 MB L3>2933 Mhz DDR4>3600X>3.8/4.4 Ghz>32 MB L3>3200 Mhz DDR4>+15% real world IPC improvement>PCIe 4.0There's more than just cores to look at sweety
>>71392551What distro u use? I never thought I'd do it but I'm ironically thinking of switching to linux. W*ndows 10 is a piece of shit.
>>71398987I use Ubuntu right now and would definitely recommend it to anyone be it new or poweruser. Install 18.04 and upgrade to 19.04 if you want to(would recommend for more updated packages)Don't fall for the noobuntu memes: It, Fedora, and maybe Manjaro are good in the just werks department with enough support that doesn't make them have outdated packages. Try it on a USB drive and consider installing it on a main drive. The sooner the better desu.
>>71399083>poweruser>systemd distroSure buddy
>>71399083Agreed. Ubuntu LTS is great. I'm not happy with GNOME 3, but switching back to Unity Desktop is super simple.
>>71366651OH NO NO NO NO NOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>71398938if it was on the same fucking process, sure. not on a massively more efficient process which is cheaper to manufacture. there should be savings here, not higher prices.
When are these new ryzen processors coming out. I'm going to be building my own computer soon should I wait?
>>71399280Uh you obviously don't know much about computer engineering because smaller processes are much more difficult and result in overall lower yields. Not to mention there is inflation to account for, despite the BLS trying to report much smaller inflation than there actually is.We do this because we can both shove more transistors in a given area as well as have them use less power (aka less heat) because smaller transistors physically switch faster, which allows us to clock them up back to a power/heat level the previous process was.Eventually we achieve close to the yields we had on the previous process, but by that point we are moving on to a new process of which the story repeats. Then other companies come in and use the older, more developed process for their cheap SoCs or something, or they make budget versions.
>>71399372Everything up to the 12c drops on the 7th of July, the 16c doesnt drop until september.
>>71366651what am i looking at here?im seeing an 18/36 intel chip.when did that happen?
>>71399525When Intel had a panic attack and rebranded server chips as HEDT chips to counter Threadripper.
>>71399539did this happen at e3?
>>71374591>being this retardedNice try intcel
>>71390700Dude, what the fuck do you think that means? They specifically say they fill CCX's to the brim with load before jumping anywhere else.
>>71396610don't be a poorfag anon
>>71398842Conservation of energy. Where does the energy go during the CPU's working cycle? Does it turn to mist, fog, vibration, sound, photons, EM radiation, heat, all of the above or nothing at all?
>>71390090Windows can easily make use of more than 16 threads/cores, what are you talking about? It had issues with being architecturally naive about Zen processors and splitting threads across CCXs and CCDs, which caused needless infinity fabric usage, but that was literally solved a couple days ago with the 1903 update and now Windows will prioritize shoving related threads physically close to each other on the same CCX and CCD.
>>71400312>being a windows user in 2019lol. good that you got a fix for basic SMP finally, in 2019.
>>71400225Landauer's principle. The theoretical minimum amount of energy needed to transform a bit of information, irreversibly, is 0.0178 eV. We currently use 3,560 eV to do so.
>>71399573It happened last year before AMD announced the 32 and 28 core TaintRippers
>>71399525https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series/i9-7980xe.html>Launch Date Q3'17
>>71383334sometimes faggots like you make me want to walk into the ocean.
>>71400583While this picture is amusing for its context anyone who has had to dig ditches in real life will tell you you get fucked FAST and you need a gang of people to take turns digging.
>>71392626higher core base is better right?
>>71396543Release Date & Price April 11, 2017 US $249literally neck yourself
Are Intel that dumb or for some reason do their CPUs just cost a tonne to make? How can you get beat on pretty much every metric this hard and still not cave in?
>>71401961cave in for what?
I love watching intel get dabbed on this hard.
>>71400196Just because its aware of what a ccx is now doesnt mean it wont start shitting the bed once its given 64 threads.It doesnt know what to do with that many threads so it juggles them around while they are doing tasks.
>>71400312It can use more than 16 cores but it does it like an autistic retard.Check the 2990wx
>>71400902If it was windows scheduler, before core 1 can even get started, it would get swapped out for core 2.
What stage are intelfags on right now?
>>71402044I assume he means end client price. And no they can't really reduce the prices too much because their CPUs are more expensive to produce and with worse yields. I mean at this point they may need to drop by like 30% to 40% to match price/performance. Other than 8700K and the 9700K for exclusive gaming at 1080p it seems like they won't have a good product in any market segment after 7/7
>>71403053Anger or depression.
>>71403053depressionthere is literally little to none intel shills compared to 2018
Why can't Intel stop being pozzed
>>71402512I don't think you know how a scheduler works. The total number of threads is irrelevant. The topology is what matters.
I guess amd will finally catch up in gaming
>>71404247>2080ti>1080phow about realistic benchmarksor is they fell for RTX ON
>>71404257>CPU performance metrics don't matter
I hope nobody uses SSD+IntelWhen coupled with an intarded pozzed defective dumpster fire that is the i5 lineup you get HUGE performance hits from the 30+ security mitigations you are required to enable to have some sense of security at least. For example in pic related using intard trash slices SSD performance literally in half which results in excessive stuttering and lag. And that's only from the meltdown and spectre patch IIRC.
>>71390064BASED AMD already vastly outselling Intel housefire garbage. Zen 2 is going to annihilate Intel.
>>71403552Shill would imply they do it for money. They're closer to scatfags at this point, gladly getting pozzed and fucked in the arse and consuming the shit intel produces
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/06/07/intel-kills-off-a-minor-product-line/>SemiAccurate has learned that late last week, Intel just knifed one of it’s minor product lines.SHITEL POZZED HOUSEFIRES ETERNALLY BTFO
>>71404356>>71404368>>71404378>>71404399Why do you have to act like different people? Do you have a dissorder?
>>71404270>Reality doesn't matter
>>71404404Actually, he is samefagging. It's a tactic that some OPs on this site use to bump their posts or make their views look more widely supported, it doesn't really work most of the time and can be seen through easily.
>>71404270Well yes, previous gen ryzen benchmarks are irrelevant to this thread. Also any benchmark that has more than 144fps on the weakest result is irrelevant to anything in general.
>>71404404>replying to different people means you have a disorderSeek help.
>>71404423It's so blatant it's pathetic. 4 posts all of a sudden of shilling for a company that cares nothing about you.
>>71404423>>71404443Why are you replying to yourself?
>>71404441You're just mad because you got called out on your faggotry. If you have nothing better to do then maybe it's time to get a job....Or maybe this is your job, Either way it's pathetic.
>>71404429Intel shills are mentally ill. 720p gaming is all they have left.
>>71404463And all amd has left is making cpu bottlenecks to hide it's inferior performance.
>>71404453>>71404460Samefag with inspect element, kys.
>>71404483You're actually insane, Get a job.
Is it just me or does Intel reek of low IQ? Every time I see an Intel build, my first thought is 'you only went with Intel after being fooled by other pozzed fags."
>>71404498Haha, i bet you have a whole folder of pasta. Jesus you're so pathetic.
>>71404508>what is archiveRetard
>>71404527I'm saying that you, Personally are a sad little man. You go on to a weebsite to post pasta, Trying to rile up people so you can feel better about your pathetic little life. Advertising for a company that doesn't even know you exist so you can make yourself feel better about what you bought. You literally have no life outside of wojak memes and 4chan. You are the epitome of a failure.
>>71404568Nice projection, Intel marketeer.
>>71404568>You literally have no life outside of wojak memes and 4chan.
Let's go over the facts, shall we:Intel>some vulnerabilities found, but ALL of them have since been patched>Intel ME has been locked down, audited by security experts, and is no longer a security risk>patches have NEGLIGIBLE impact on gaming>storage IO takes a slight hit >much higher clocks (better for older games)>much lower core and cache latencies (very important for gaming)>more industry-adopted instruction sets, better optimization in Unreal Engine, Unity, Frostbite, etc.>uses less power-per-clock and has better frequency-to-voltage characteristics (why Intel will always hit 5.0GHz and AMD will never be able to)AMD>Ryzenfall and 12 other vulnerabilities STILL NOT COMPLETELY FIXED>PSP has been fully compromised and gives attackers complete access to all parts of an AMD CPU; AMD REFUSES TO DISABLE PSP ON ANY RYZEN CPU>has performance loss with its already lower IPC (turning a shit hatchback into a shittier hatchback)>literally slower NVMe throughput by default because AMD can't into IO queuing optimizations>lower clocks than Intel's First Gen Core architecture>almost twice or three times the latency depending on which cores are accessing which cache; made even worse with multi-die Ryzens (like all of the Ryzen 3000s)>literally no one optimizes for AMD's instruction sets; locked out of the instruction sets the games industry uses>uses far more power per watt because Infinity Fabric eats power the higher you clock it (guess what was exponentially increased on Ryzen 3000...)Other notes - PCIe Gen 4 literally doesn't matter>storage IO loss literally doesn't matter for gaming because 99.99% of games doesn't come close to using a tenth of an NVMe drive's IO throughput>4K 144hz gaming doesn't even saturate PCIe 3.0 x8
This is the mentality of Intel defense force.
>>71404589>factskek, every single time
>>71404580I could care less what hardware i use. I do my own research on what i buy and what i use it for.
>>71404598Whatever you say, schlomo.
Intel cope list 2019>Multi-core doesn't matter!>Productivity doesn't matter!>Price/performance doesn't matter!>Performance per watt doesn't matter!>Power usage doesn't matter!>Temperatures don't matter!>Soldered dies don't matter!>Stutters don't matter!>Streaming doesn't matter!>Data centers don't matter!>Locked CPUs don't matter!>OEMs don't matter!>Hyperscalers don't matter!>Upgradeability doesn't matter!>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!>Locked platform features don't matter!>Synthetic loads don't matter!>PCI-e lanes don't matter!>Burnt pins don't matter!>Heat doesn't matter!>1771w cooler doesn't matter!>Server space doesn't matter!>ECC support doesn't matter!>Free RAID doesn't matter!>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!>StoreMI doesn't matter!>IPC doesn't matter!>7nm doesn't matter!>StoreMI doesn't matter!>HEDT doesn't matter!>Stock coolers don't matter!>Security doesn't matter!>Games don't always matter!>Enterprise doesn't matter!>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!>VMware doesn't matter!>MySQL doesn't matter!>Unix doesn't matter!>Linux doesn't matter!>Waffer yields don't matter!>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!>Asian markets don't matter!>Own fabrics doens't matter!>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!>Cray doesn't matter!>Cisco doesn't matter!>HPE doesn't matter!>AZURE doesn't matter!>5nm doesn't matter!>TDP doens't matter!>10nm doesn't always matter!>Cache doesn't matter!>Integrated graphics doesn't matter!>PCI-Express 4.0 doesn't matter!>Germany doesn't matter!>Processors doesn't matter!>Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter>Framerate doesn't matter!>Amazon sales don't matter!>Prime95 AVX doesn't matter!>*NEW* Large corporations don't matter!>*NEW* Your DATA doesn't matter!>*NEW* Context switch duration doesn't matter!
>>71404634>Continues to open wojak folder. I'll pray for you anon and your autism
>>71404589you're like those jewish journalists who """"""fact""""" check trump
>>71404706You look like an AMD shill who is in denial.
>>71404718ur nose is showing
>>71404734Yes, call me names because you're shilling shit products and have to cope with facts that prove your stance wrong.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/16-core-AMD-Ryzen-Matisse-processor-amasses-monumental-multi-core-score-on-Geekbench-that-puts-Intel-s-18-core-i9-9980X-to-shame.423832.0.htmlThe i9-9980XE scored 46,618 points in the multi-core benchmark, which is a very respectable result. But the Matisse processor’s tally of 61,072 puts it in another league.Ohnononononono
>>71404777Jesus why does AMD have to release 3950x in September? If they released all of them at once I'd get it, now I'm forced to get the 3900x because I can't stand the wait.
>>71404777>64MB Cache>25MB CacheWhich one would perform better in a cache intensive Benchmark I wonder?
>>71404718>>71404747Post your nose.
>>71404902Not AMD's fault Intel is so jewish with their cache.
>>71404777The ryzen was locked at 4.3 on all cores for this test. A i9-9980XE on 4.3 on all cores does like 59000 in geek bench. It's still lower but it's not the 47K on stock. The single core is really shit on the intel in this case thoughI wonder how the 3950x does stock without any all core clock
>Large cache>A good thing
>>71404953>The single core is really shit on the intel in this case thoughdelid dis
>>71404957>I have literally no idea what I'm talking about
>>71404954>>71404939Good, convince the goy to mindlessly consume.
>>71405040probably >latencyor something
>>71404939It is your fault for hyping a retarded Benchmark that is sensitive to cache as real world performance.
>>71404822>If they released all of them at once I'd get it, now I'm forced to get the 3900x because I can't stand the wait.Then resell the 3900x immediately? I could sell it for $50-$100 less than msrp. It's only a two-three month wait.
>>71405058Good goy, buy Intel.
>>71405250>a 12 core cpu outperformed by 8 core cpukek
>>71405305>More vulnerabilities = betterkek
>>71405373What are you even talking about?It's amd that's vulnerable to everything, Intel released security patches instantly and AMD still hasn't bothered for obvious reasons lmao.
>>71405250Great. Until its confirmed by independent reviewers, I don't believe shit.
>>71405409Why can't Intel stop being so pozzed?
>>71405195Excellent, buy both! We don't need to bother deciding which is best when they both are for sale. You don't need one computer do you goy? You need two, maybe three?
>>71405457Larger market share = people more interested in exploiting it. But that's a good thing since Intel's actions are appropriate, literally ALL of them received security patches immediately. The same cannot be said about AMD, they haven't bothered to fix a single vulnerability, the performance hit would be way too high for them. Also PSP is fully compromised.
Guys which one should I get for my gaming PCIs 8 cores enough
Holy shit I'm getting 12 fps encoding x265 where before I was getting 9fps. Did Windows' scheduler really improve this much in 1903? Still piledriver here.
>>71405494Maybe if you keep posting it, then it will become true. How does it feel having more than 100 vulnerabilities because you sacrificed security for performance? I can't even imagine people unironically saying without being shareholders or paid shills, what even compels you to defend such an evil company?
>>71405494Take a hike, kike.
>>71405637>More is better
>>71390194>pay more for higher TDP, lower frequency and less cacheintel really can't compete
>>71405637>1I can name 2Ryzenfall and SpectreYour pic has been proven wrong.
>>71405494Intel is still infinitely more pozzed, for one AMD vulnerability you'll find infinitely more on Intel.
>>71406027Intel released patches for all of the vulnerabilities. ALL OF THEM. Intel is pozz free.AMD has only released a patch for Chimera. Rest of the 12 AMD vulns remain unpatched. Now ask yourself which CPU is more pozzed.
>>71406047Intel security flaws can't be fixed they're too severe. You've been lied to.
>>71406069Lmao you're retarded.
>>71406047Exactly, just how they disabled HT in the announced chips because it totally wasn't an insecure mess. Anon, please short your stock.
OH NO NO NO
>>71406316Even if you missed the $1.6 train, this is still a good buy desu.
>>71406434Don't say this, anon. You'll expose your brethren that shill every day here.
>>71406316Buy high sell low, retard
>>71388475so the goto-combo for tdp-fanatics is now amd cpu + nvidia gpu?