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https://www.techpowerup.com/255545/intel-releases-cpu-microcode-updates-for-mds-vulnerabilities-unearthed-on-may-14

https://www.techpowerup.com/255537/amd-confirms-its-processors-are-unaffected-by-ridl-and-fallout-vulnerabilities
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>>70966107
>amd-confirms-its-processors-are-unaffected-by-ridl-and-fallout-vulnerabilities
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>>70966209
ONE
NOTHING WITH ME
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this is it FUCK INTEL
i buy only amd from now
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>>70966438
>He didn't stop right after Sandy
What a cuck.
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>>70966473
Only the core2duo's are good. The rest are nsa backdoored.
Libreboot btw
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>>70966426
TWO
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
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>Apparently Intel attempted to play down the issue by trying to award the researchers with the 40,000 dollar tier reward and a separate 80,000 dollar reward as a "gift" (which the researchers kindly denied) instead of the maximum 100,000 reward for finding a critical vulnerability.
>Intel was also planning to wait for at least another 6 months before bringing this to light if it wasn't for the researchers threatening to release the details in May.
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/05/14/hackers-mikken-op-het-intel-hart-a3960208
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>>70966553
those are pozzed too
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>>70966592
OOF
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Rest in pieces
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>>70966666
Witnessed
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this thread is anti-semitic mods. deal with it or we pull funding
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>>70966666
delid nao!
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>>70966701
Ayyy
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>>70966553
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>>70966556
There's no Metdown on AMD. And Majority of Spectres were either already fixed, or they can't work for jack shit due to very structure of how Zen is built, as well as due to SEV.
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>>70966666
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>>70966876
Notice it says Meltdown-BND; it's a specific variant. Also, it only works on AMD CPUs operating in 32-bit legacy mode, whereas it works on Intel CPUs in 32-bit legacy mode or with MPX.
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>>70966666
HoLY FUCK
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>>70966889
Almost
Why you have to be so slow
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>>70966701
oyyyyy veeeeeyyyyyyy
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>>70967138
I checked 'em, you dumb fuck.
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>>7096696
>Another Meltdown
>That works on AMD
Literal FAKE NEWS.
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>>70966592
>pozzed corelets
Lul.
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>>70968115
>Inturd CPoos
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>>70968720
Shitel cpoos
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Adding poo to words isn't creative or amusing, you sound more mentally challenged than a literal child.
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>>70969468
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Bump for interest.
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OpenBSD doesn't have this problem
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>>70969952
>*only on AMD processors
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I just built my first PC last year with a coffee lake. I give up.
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>>70969963
In either of them
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>>70969941
A little bit, not going to lie.
>>70969967
Just as bad desu. I am laughing watching current state Intel, but the posting is atrocious.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/255534/intel-puts-out-benchmarks-showing-minimal-performance-impact-of-mds-mitigation

Performance impact seems to be minimal after the patches, but how much do you trust Intel?
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>>70970059
>that's what Judes actually try to make you believe
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>>70970095
>but how much do you trust Intel?
At this point not at all.
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>>70970095
>*tests and graphs provided by Intel
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>>70970095
>no performance impacts on AMD, because no need for security patches to begin with
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>>70970095
>but how much do you trust Intel
LMOA
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>>70970010
Still faster than anything amd has, stop letting people control you.
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>>70970095
Yes goy, everyone should upgrade to coskyfee lake+++++.
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>>70966689
DO WANT
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>>70970747
Join the #BETTERED side
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>>70966666
BASED SATANIC QUINTUPLES.
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>>70970806
Benchmarks don't matter
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>>70970806
Nice gimp.
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>>70970841
>GayGPU
I've awaited you, Intbecile.
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>>70970841
>Gimp
2933MHz is Zen+'s minimal spec and 2600 is cheaper than 8400, you dumb fuck.
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Lmao meanwhile my 2700x is comfy
Get fucked intel
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>>70970870
Awww, To bad it can't get over 3200mhz without crashing. Who buys spec ram these days anyways? 8400 can run 4000+ ram easily.
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>>70970858 >>70970841

gaygpu tested with shit ram, no wonder ryzen showed badly, lots of sites are intell shills and tested with slow ram, sometimes even with single-chanel
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>>70970959
Zen+ easily does up to 3800MHz, IF a motherboard can handle it. It's NOT dependent on Zen, but on quality/reliability of a mobo.
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>>70970977
GayGPU is a shitty source that was caught lying and shopping shit several times already in the recent past. They're зaшквapeны.
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>>70971056
Kek.
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>>70970141
Using AMD is in itself a performance impact.
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>>70971006
>It's not amd shitty memory controller
>It's not shitty infinity glue tied to unicorn ram
>It's not about massive latency from context switch over ccx
>It's motherboard faults
>It's fault of developers who don't use amd certified compilers
>The culprit is of developers who can't parallelize clearly single thread processe
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>mfw all of my home servers are ARM
>mfw my gaming PC is AMD
>mfw wake up to this news
>mfw the only thing I have running Intel is just a work computer from my employer
Once DigitalOcean or Linode starts offering ARM/AMD servers, I'm going to migrate my VPSes.
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>>70970812
In other words faster don't matter
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Unless you have huge stock holdings in AMD, can I ask why it matters to anyone? Some of you are as bad as "sports fans." My team of negroes put the ball though the hope more than the one from your city (whose players aren't even from that city), therefore I feel like I, personally won something.
It's all so tiresome....
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>>70966107
Intel no longer approved by NSA and Mossad
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>>70971840
Latency was already improved massively in Zen+, you Intbecile.
And RAM has nothing to do with inter-CCX/inter-core latency. Infinity Fabric benefits from fast RAM, but it's own latency improvements aren't based on faster RAM.
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>>70971853
>starts offering ARM/AMD servers
https://www.techpowerup.com/255235/amd-collaborates-with-us-doe-to-deliver-the-frontier-supercomputer
Buckle up, as it's going to be one hell of a ride. Choo-choo, motherfuckers.
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>>70966666

Will Microsoft port Windows to the A-series processors?
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>>70966107
Weren't they gonna release a 10k series around June?
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>>70972326
yes zen+ fixed most of the CCX lag due to slow ram.... and lets say they didn't fix it zen2 will support 5000gHz ram

think its time to let that meme die
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>>70972595
It wasn't even a meme at all any ever, just utter idiocy of buttmad Intbeciles.
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>>70966592
Poor Intel - Jews jewing jews, should never have started that Haifa development. The ruse lasted 10 years.
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>>70966107
Linux kernel patches for MDS are now available.

https://linuxreviews.org//intel-mds-patches

We're talking ANOTHER 10% slowdown on Intel CPUs.
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>>70974428
>We're talking ANOTHER 10% slowdown on Intel CPUs.
>How this plays out when combined with the upcoming firmware updates from Intel is yet to be seen.
What's even the point of benchmarking without loading the updated microcode that was released a few days ago.
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>>70966107
god damn, those comments
>Simultaneous Multithreading is the name of the technology
>Hyper Threading is just branding.
I guess, all caches, no matter the arch, they are the same, all RAMs, no matter the technology, are the same, all storage device, no matter the state(spinning or solid) are the same.
>deliberately compromise it with a backdoor (PSP)
heh, kids, now PSP is a CPU because I can't into accelerators
it's as if I am reading /g/ comments.
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I5 2500k here. How fucked i am?
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>>70972523
GLOBALFIRES
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>>70975008
FX 8150 levels.
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>>70966592
2 0 0 7
0
0
7
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>>70966592
>intel provides info to bios vendors only
So, they literally tell the chinks how to use the exploits?
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>>70975008
I heard you can buy bulldozers for cheap. Get em while you can.
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>>70972523
>10K
More like 10000K, as in ten thousand Kelvin.
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>>70970841
Can we get a retest with all the Intel security patches applied?
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>>70975452
No, that's antisemitism.
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>Was hoping to keep my i5 4690K a little bit longer to a Ryzen
>Yet ANOTHER fucking exploit is found and the performance takes a further hit
I'm going to assume more will be found making this.
Looks like I should just say fuck it and consider upgrading sooner than I thought.
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>>70970010
I feel you, Anon. My brother built a pc with intel 8700K CPU and he is crying right now.
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>>70975584
>Was hoping to keep my i5 4690K a little bit longer to a Ryzen
>Yet ANOTHER fucking exploit is found and the performance takes a further hit
Run some benchmarks, update everything, run some benchmarks again. I'm pretty sure that there will be no difference.
Intel obviously fucked up, but believing AMDniggers that claim there's some insane 10%-40% performance hit is stupid. Everything mitigation does is just clears buffers every time the core changes the process (to the untrusted one).
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>there are people on /g/ who bought intel even after news of spectre and meltdown broke
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>>70975992
Intel buyers are mentally ill.
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I have an i7 but feel no loyalty toward Intel, this is a huge fuckup on their part and they deserve to lose business.

But who's to say this won't happen to AMD? That in 2025 we'll find out all the Zen 2s had some horrible backdoor no one knew about.

I don't even want to upgrade anymore.
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>>70976037
By 2025 we'll be on AMDs new architecture.
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>>70975338
Only if you (((update))) and you're on not-Windows 7.
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>>70976037
>But who's to say this won't happen to AMD?
They actually care a tiny about security, they weren't affected by the meltdown shit either.
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>>70976037
>Who's to say this won't happen to AMD?
They very structure of Zen's architecture (chiplets and multi-module instead of monolithic garbage, plus SEV and etc) automatically protects against at least 98.82% of shit that's been found out up to day and also against 80% of shit that's potentially can be found in the future. Meanwhile, Inturd is vulnerable to literally EVERYTHING (as in EVERY thing) and ALL of their CPoos are affected ALL THE WAY BACK TO FUCKING NEETBUUUUURRRRRRRRST! Just imagine applying "Spectre & Meltdown (((patches)))" ALONE (not counting this new recent shit) to a Bentium 4...WEEEEEEW, it's going to be slower than my 266MHz Klamath on which I've built my very first ever custom build completely from scratch by my own hands back in 1998. And, as other people already mentioned, yes - a 2600K will turn into a lowest tier Core 2 Duo with all the ((("""""patches"""""))) applied now, kek.
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>>70976037
Most of the attack vectors are intel's in-house "features".
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>>70976037
>>70976202
>>70976272
I see AMD CPU bugs similar to this one as a real possibility. Yes, there's a lot more known bugs on Intel CPUs. Does that mean there aren't any on AMD? No. We can't know for sure one way or the other. Though it does seem like some of these Intel problems are due to short-cuts AMD didn't take.
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>>70975434
Might as well just buy ryzen
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>>70976291
>they found out the fiat panda is extremely unsafe, that means the car with all 5/5 star safety ratings can be just as unsafe but they just didn't find out the vulnerabilities yet, even though they already tested for the same ones
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>>70976291
>I see AMD CPU bugs similar to this one as a real possibility.
Unless proven, this will stay only FUD and speculation.
And, considering these last ones, AMD already came out and openly stated they're abso-effing-lutely clean. If you still don't trust AMD after them proving TWICE IN A ROW that they're completely fine and reliable, while their """""competition""""" keeps on sucking dirty limp nigger dicks left and right on this matter, this would just mean you're a total-fucking-idiot. No dignified person in their goddamn sane mind would ever choose Inturd over AMD in this modern day and age, definitely not since after 2017 that is.
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>apply patch
>everything is ok now

wow that was hard. even if it costs a bit of performance, any intel is still faster than amd
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>>70976353
>even if it costs a bit of performance
>Intel is still faster
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>>70966666
Czeched
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>>70976353
>any intel is still faster than amd
Do people actually believe this or it is just shilling/trolling? Even bulldozer crap is competing with intlel now and Ryzen handedly beats the competition at the same price points and a bit above.
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I have a i5 3570k and set the grub parameters to disable all this shit crap jewish protections. I don't give a crap, I only use my computer to lurk on the web and see/watch movies and series that I don't paid for.

Also, yep. I use linux.
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>>70976393
>Also, yep. I use linux.
Still vulnerable.
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>>70976393
I'm on 2600K that's been OverClocked to constant 4.8GHz and runs in a 24/7/365 mode all the way back since 2012, and with Windows 7 SP 1 with all "modern" updates turned off as an OS, and yet I'll be building a completely new main station based on 16 core Zen 2 this October. FUCK Judes, I'll NEVER buy another Inturd ever again, even though I consider Sandy one of the best products ever made by them. They've been fucking up massively ever since the Ivy days, hence why I've never """""(((upgraded)))""""" any by principle. EVERY Inturd after Sandy is a fucking rehash of Sandy. Sandy was THE pinnacle.
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>>70976453
>THE pinnacle
of trying to pass off intentional security holes as performance features, how are they not in jail yet?
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>>70976453
ivy is improved sandy version though, like ryzen 2k is to 1k, so ivy is better
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>>70976340
>this will stay only FUD and speculation.
Of course it is speculation. And it's fair to speculate if similar problems are present or not. Just think back one week, did you really expect ANOTHER serious Intel vuln which REQUIRES SMT to be disabled to be discovered? I didn't after meltdown and spectre variant after variant.
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>>70976499
>ivy is improved sandy
>dry horse cum under the lid, instead of direct solder
>inane temps that require delidding
>barely any increase in IPC and PPC, yet higher cost due to being "newer/fresher"
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>>70976527
>did you really expect ANOTHER serious Intel vuln--
100500%. It's a given now. Just like weekly news with Fartout 76 in relation to Bethesda.
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>>70976527
>did you really expect ANOTHER serious Intel vuln
Yes, many security-minded distro maintainers already expected that and disabled intel features after meltdown, these new discoveries are just par for the course.
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>>70976382
Default mitigation performance is good tho. This applies to all i5 users.
Always Flushing is a stupid idea in general and got no benefits.
"Full mitigation" is just another name for "HT" disabled.
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>>70976549
This was before HT shenanigans, you dumb fuck. The "default" in that graph is just a software patch on OS. The "full" is software patch on OS + microcode (((patch))) via BIOS update. HT is another, separate thing.
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>>70976549
HT IS the security flaw and needs disabling, that's the mitigation.
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>>70976585
So you're shilling here some unrelated to MDS bench and calling me a dumb fuck?
Jezz..
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>>70976670
Nice goalpost moving, Intbecile.
"Unrelated to MDS"? BHAHAHAHAH, OH WOOOW, what a fucking MORON you are.
You really don't get it? Alright, let me tell you: the >>70976382 pic is Meltdown and Spectre """mitigations""" applied before, which heavily hit Inturd's performance ALREADY, even without Fallout and Zombieload (thew ACTUAL name, not that "MDS" crap Inturd came up with), especially in MySQL and other enterprise (up to -57% in performance decrease). AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, so that's an up to -57% in performance and NOW add Fallout & Zombieload to it. See the picture? Go and kys, if you're still an Inturd shiller or not planning to move to Zen anytime soon. You're a fucking cuck, a total rooster ass anal bitch.
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>tfw you just scored a T7810 workstation for cheap and intel does this shit
Should try to sell it?
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>>70976585
That bench is for L1TF. It's not even a meltdown or spectre attack, but a different thing.
L1TF IS the original HT vulnerability and pretty much everything I wrote about it is true (until HT is disabled is cannot be fully mitigated)
I got z Ryzen PC, but that's totally urelated.

Go educate yourself a bit before embarrassing yourself here.
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>>70976845
>It's not even a meltdown or spectre attac
It is, you dumb fuck. It's a special Phoronix article that was fully dedicated solely only to Meltdown's and Spectre's patching performance hit on Inturd. Grow a pair already and admit the reality.
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>>70976837
if it is a workstation then just leave it as that and avoid using it for other things than running trusted software?
why would you e.g. use it to browse the internet?
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>>70976887
like, if I ever upgrade I am disabling all mitigations and leaving this box as a server.
I do not see any issues with that, as long as I am not giving compute time to other users or javascript through websites
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>>70976887
Mostly VMs, a bit of muh gaymen and music production
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>>70976912
>VMs
>gaymen
probably a good idea to have mitigations in place then
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>>70976876
>It is, you dumb fuck. It's a special Phoronix article that was fully dedicated solely only to Meltdown's and Spectre's patching performance hit on Inturd. Grow a pair already and admit the reality.
Go read that article a few more times until you'll understand what's it about
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=l1tf-early-look&num=1

You can also read some kernel docs
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/l1tf.html
The new one is ok'ish too
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/mds.html

Intel mitigation docs can be entertaining too, but that's probably too much for your ape intelligence
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>>70976935
You're actually a braindead cretin, holy shit. My deepest condolences to your family/relatives.
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>>70976934
Undestood the VM part, but how does gaymen become an attack vector?
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>>70976935
>>70976965
BTFO
T
F
O

(dude you're getting bamboozled)
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>>70976988
Yes, >>70976935 is getting BTFO'd alright.
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>>70976982
likely a lesser one but a lot of games nowadays have clients using the chromium webkit thing and could conceivably deliver external javascript through adverts ?
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>>70977023
Okey. So mitigations enabled and I"ll be fine.
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>>70966107
Intelfags on suicide watch!!!!!

I got banned from /r/amd for posting this.
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>>70976382
>>70976783
>>70976935
Benchmarks and articles and angry talk aside, this tells me everything: MDS/Fallout/Zombieload are *only* fixable by disabling Hyperthreading.

Hyperthreading was the one selling point for buying a i7 over a i5 for .. a decade. It's kind of a bummer that my laptop's (the only thing I have with a Intel CPU) suddenly got half the threads it used to have.
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>>70971056
an athlon 200ge was all I could afford
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>>70977163
i5s still have better perf than 2700x
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>>70977163
Actually, that's not true. Disabling hyperthreading entirely is sufficient, but it's not necessary. It would be possible to modify the OS or hypervisor to avoid scheduling victims and possible attackers in parallel on the same physical core.
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Intel Core i3 380M user reporting here: You are not safe, Anon. In addition to that, we are doomed!
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>>70966107
Lots of vulnerabilities, but whats the worst that can happen? Is there any actual threat?
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>>70977396
Ryzen 1200 is better than i5
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>>70977463
>can read literally anything going on in your PC with some pajeetscript, bypassing any kind of software protection and there's no actual fix for it other than disabling the vulnerable features since it's down to hardware
>literally worse than meltdown and spectre
gee I dunno how that's a bad thing
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>>70977530
DELID

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/3886vs3930
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>>70977530
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/4031vs3958
yawn
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>>70977550
>14% better single core vs 71% better multicore
lol
guess which one is far superior for literally any use case, even shittily-programmed games benefit more from multicore since it cushions any kind of background application that might cause hitches
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>>70977550
Intel's favorite benchmark site seems to disagree for some reason?

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/3337vs3238
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>>70977463
>Lots of vulnerabilities, but whats the worst that can happen? Is there any actual threat?
Every HT enabled system is vulnerable because of L1TF since 2018. For non VM environments threat is more or less theoretical and there were no confirmed attacks so far.
But it's up to user to decide what to do. Everything might change (tho I doubt that)
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>>70977597
ZombieLoad has a working proof of concept program and can bypass virtual machines which is a gigantic red alert security hole for any cloud service since a hosted program can have access to the rest of the server farm, it's far from theoretical.
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>>70977586
6 threads sometimes perform like absolute dogshit in games
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>>70977632
Which games? I haven't found a single game that is actually bottlenecked by my R5 1600.
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>>70977586
>guess which one is far superior for literally any use case
Don't want to rain or your parade or nothing but I've been playing around with kdenlive the last few days and I can tell you that some of it's functionality, specially relating to effects, DOES NOT benefit from multi-core AT ALL. And the same is true for Pitivi, btw. Doing certain things makes kdenlive just appear to hang, stall, lag and just sit there for a long time with ONE CORE pinned at 100% and the rest doing NOTHING. Zip. They just .. don't bother contributing anything.

I realize it's a specific use-case, but still.. of course, there is the question of what kind of single-core performance you'd need to actually use that piece of software efficiently. I am not seeing any announcements of 20 GHz CPUs in the news headlines.
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GAMES are unaffected. I repeat. GAMES are unaffected. Ignore AMDrone shills!
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>>70970806
>>70970841
adults are talking about security take you games back to /v/
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>>70977696
Try not using hobby garbage programs or at least look for some way to enable multicore rendering which there surely is, Ryzen is superior for video editing.
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>>70977753
>at least look for some way to enable multicore rendering
no, you do it. here you go, this is what you need to look at:
https://cgit.kde.org/kdenlive.git/tree/src

Good luck and thank you.

And no, Ryzen isn't superior for single-threaded tasks. Which are.. rare these days. Can't really think of anything else I've tried using the last for years and years which has been limited by single-core performance.
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>>70977828
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kdenlive+multicore
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>>70977838
searching the Internet won't change the source-code. You retarded or something? Parts of it need to be rewritten. I've talked to the developers about it and it's on a long TODO list. Some parts will eventually be moved to the GPU but that's somewhat of a buggy mess. Same with Pitivi, they were going to include GL accelerated effects in the upcoming v1.0 but decided to disable them all because it's too buggy there too.
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>>70977970
I never used kdenlive but it's sounding like the GIMP of video editing, just something FOSS enthusiasts made to try to shut up people looking for something professional instead of actual people interested in the subject matter to begin with, never a good thing.
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>>70966107

Why aren't Intel getting sued off the face of the planet? They are getting away with vandalism of their customers computers. Surely compensation is claimable for this?
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>>70978025
Because it's antisemitism
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>>70978074

What is this I don't even-

This is why China will win the tech war!
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>>70977586
14% better single core > 71% better multicore
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>>70966666
calm down satan
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>>70978204
is this why intel sells like dogshit?
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>>70966107
I just bought a 8700
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>>70978204
RIP intel soon then.
They're already beat clock for clock in everything but AVX2.
AMD is about to double the FP width, doubling AVX2 performance and will be at equal clocks.
With more cores.
And no perf sapping security patches.

womp womp.
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>>70976037
They haven't looked closer, since no hardware is 100% free of security flaws, thing is no one is looking for them, also like most people said there are literally 0 records that an Intel system has been compromised by any of the already found flaws, yeah sure it's bad from a company standpoint, but why would you upgrade if you have no need and already own a functional high end Intel system? in the other hand if you are building from scratch by all means get an AMD, by the time they find some nasty flaws you will need to upgrade again, i guess the ride never ends, normies don't give a fuck about all this.
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>>70975379
anime topped in 2oo7
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>>70978670
Wrong, anime peaked just before (but not at) Azumanga Daioh.
Everything after then has been shit.
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>>70978647
>literally 0 records that an Intel system has been compromised by any of the already found flaws
Because literally everyone and their moms install the fixes retard, ZombieLoad has several working proof of concept applications in their site including one designed to bypass a VM which is absolutely disastrous for any server.

>i guess the ride never ends
AMD is not affected by these known flaws, naturally there can be undiscovered holes but it's plain silly to imply that the architecture with a far better track record is somehow possibly just as unsafe but they just didn't look hard enough yet, it's like saying the meat at the 5 star restaurant is just as unsafe as joe's dog meat stand because both are meat.
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>>70977163
>MDS/Fallout/Zombieload
MDS is Inturd's shitty way of naming Zombieload so that investors won't be spooked. Now, I'M DEAD serious with this. They're THAT dumb. Fallout, on the other hand is not a "or", but a separate, other thing. So "/" there is not necessary.
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>>70977163
What's most hilarious, is that ONLY Inturd's HT is garbage, while AMD's SMT (which Inturd's HT is a renamed/rebranded rip off of to begin with) works absolutely fine with no problems whatsoever at all.
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>>70978580
call me when it happens
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>>70977550
>>70977586
>>70977596
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>>70978261
>that last graph
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>>70978860
>ryzen temperature limit 85
>intel temperature limit 100
i9 is trash, yes, but ryzen is close to burning too
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>>70978762
Sure, server side Intel is doomed and BTFO i hope EPYC sells well, but most gaymers still use Intel without the patches since like it or not 1080p is common as fuck now and they get better FPS on most games at that res than anything AMD has(maybe zen2 is gonna change that), and i haven't read about someone getting hacked by using one of the flaws that intel has, like i said i wouldn't recommend anyone to buy an intel CPU, but hell jumping ship when none of the flaws affect what you do with your Intel CPU that's fucking stupid, unless you are a tinfoil hat enthusiast then you shouldn't even own a computer in the first place.

The ride never ends because sooner or later some chink or pajeet guy WILL discover an exploit or a flaw and will let the world know and thus making you upgrade to a new CPU brand or a newer model from the same brand you own just to feel safe, while in the real world nothing really happens and no one is gonna hack you, that the government spies on you? lol that shit always been like that, we all are on a huge database, cameras are everywhere, hell i bet they even check this boards once in a while to have a good laugh about people arguing about "being safe" or having "safe CPU's" anyways, people like to think they are in control.
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>>70978860
>"stock"
>not using stock cooler
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>>70978915
>RyZen is close to burning
>H100i instead of a cooler
>4.2GHz on all 8 cores & 16 threads
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>>70978971
Stock as in stock frequency, you dumb fuck.
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So how many of these exploits do you think Intel knew about the entire time?
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>>70978915
>85c
>close to burning
You...really never used a PC before, eh, kid?
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>>70978991
https://www.techpowerup.com/255563/intel-tried-to-bribe-dutch-university-to-suppress-knowledge-of-mds-vulnerability
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>>70978921
>1080p is common as fuck now and they get better FPS on most games at that res than anything AMD has
Wrong, simply look at any benchmark and pay particular attention to 1% frames which indicate stuttering, your view of AMD is highly poisoned by false assumptions, your entire post is just a bunch of suppositions that don't apply to real life.

>but hell jumping ship when none of the flaws affect what you do
The flaws affect everyone, they are several attack vectors with no real effective mitigation other than outright disabling the security holes they market as "performance features".

>The ride never ends because sooner or later some chink or pajeet guy WILL discover an exploit or a flaw and will let the world know and thus making you upgrade to a new CPU brand or a newer model from the same brand you own just to feel safe
See the food analogy from my previous post, meat isn't inherently disease-ridden garbage just because joe doesn't follow basic food quality and safety control, joe is particularly incompetent.
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>>70978996
>6c to limit
>it's ok
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>>70979026
>Inturd
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>>70979005
My God. So this sort of begs the question. Is Intel's peformance lead in the market only because they had a bunch of security holes? Because once the holes are patched, performance drops.
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>>70979069
>Intel 8th Generation and higher processors have hardware-level mitigation for MDS with no performance deterioration
THANK YOU, BASED INTEL
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>>70979066
The speculative branch prediction type optimizations on hyperthreading are only really useful for synthetic loads.

The reality is that you can completely disable hyperthreading and your compile times will be the same, your game performance will be the same.
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>>70979026
A temperature limit isn't what you think it is, it's safe to run a Ryzen at 95c for short periods of time, you will be shortening your lifespan if it's constantly at the limit but it won't "break" all of a sudden.
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>>70979106
no shit
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>>70979066
>Intel's performance lead in the market only because they had a bunch of security holes?
Exactly this. The entirety of time SINCE THE VERY BENTIUM 4 DAYS, the "performance" was gained through abuse of holes. Now they're losing those holes, by (((patching))) and """fixing""" them, hence why they've started immensely losing performance. It's correlated absolutely. Faggots thought they could get away with this forever, and they managed to for 18-or-so years, but now it all came down on their lame sorry asses like a boomerang, a karma no less. It's all crumbling down and Judes are in the absolute panic, they don't know jack shit on what to do now. It's the literal NeetBUUUUURRRRRRRRst 2.0, but this time around it's WAAAY worse.
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>>70979106
There's a well-known 20c offset, retards.
AMD's "85c" is actually way cooler.
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>>70978991
Intel absolutely should have figured out ZombieLoad and RIDL before the reseachers did, as they rely on undocumented features that the teams had to reverse engineer. You can chalk their failure up to either incompetence or negligence, take your pick.
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>>70979116
If AMD is doing so well why are all of their engineers fucking bailing to work at Intel/Nvidia/Apple lmfao.
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>>70979086
You're a lolcow.
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>>70979162
>what is a Trojan horse
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>>70979130
Not really, 79c during a 100% stress test for 10 minutes is perfectly fine and won't even come close to damaging the CPU even in the long term, it didn't even reach the 95c short term limit.
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>>70979162
More money. The development of Ryzen is about done as they approach their 3rd iteration, so most of the grunt work is done. Intel and by extension Apple (being entirely Intel CPU based) have a shit load of money, and are in pure panic mode. So desperation pays well

Kind of like how AMD paid stupid money for Keller to work for them for like 8 months.
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>>70979066
Yes
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>>70979198
Also CPUs have so many automatic thermal mitigations and throttling that it's pretty much impossible to kill a CPU simply by stressing it, you have to purposefully set the clock and voltages to retarded amounts.
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>>70979198
I never said anything about damaging a stone. I'm saying Zen literally has offset that reports 20c higher temps in diagnostic software (most of it) than it actually produces in reality. It's been known since the gen1 Zen's initial start of sells days. Some software was updated to recalculate due to the offset and show actual numbers, not every last one did out there. The >>70978860 pic is somewhat old and was done before AIDA learned how to adhere to the offset.
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>>70979205
Apple shat on Intel with the ZombieLoad crap and they want to move to their in-house ARM chips for their desktops as soon as 2020, things aren't looking great for Intel (and that's a good thing).
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>>70979086
Wrong. They either come in the form of a microcode update or software procedure to clear the store buffers, line fill buffers, and load ports. There is performance degradation as it is not free to perform this clearing operation when necessary. That is also assuming that hyperthreading is disabled or controlled.
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>>70979245
>Apple moving towards ARM
Good. I unironically want to see more professional level development and program suites going on for ARM.
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>>70979251
>Microarchitectural Data Sampling (MDS) is already addressed at the hardware level in many of our recent 8th and 9th Generation Intel® Core™ processors, as well as the 2nd Generation Intel® Xeon® Scalable Processor Family. For other affected products, mitigation is available through microcode updates, coupled with corresponding updates to operating system and hypervisor software that are available starting today.
ONCE AGAIN, BASED INTEL
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>>70966556
>longer is better
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>>70979347
If that's true then how come the researchers were able to mount attacks on those processors?
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>>70979347
>buy our new processors, /g/oy
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>>70979006
You got me there buddy, all in all i hope AMD gives the coup d grease to Intel, just to see how a monopoly with them would be.
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>>70979486
>how a monopoly with them would be
You DO know there's at least five-or-so more big players on the CPU-making market? Even if Inturd disappears completely, Loongson, Qualcomm, Samsung, MCST, or Huawei will gladly and IMMEDIATELY take over it's vacant place.
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>>70979093
Hyperthreading doesn't matter
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>>70979486
What's up with this trend of calling any run of the mill high barrier of entry oligopoly a "monopoly"?
It's only done by people who unironically fall for marketing and think the leader is the only viable choice.
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Hell. even NEC and Sharp might return back into the PC hardware-making business, if Inturd keels over. Because appearance of Pentium I on the market back in the early 90s was the EXACT and SOLE reason why NEC and Sharp both exited the business, essentially being forced out. They never forgot and they'll never forgive.
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>>70979546
This, reduced SSD speeds don't matter either
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>>70971056
>tfw 6/12 rysen
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>>70979546
>>70979558
>*this technology is only available on Intel© series of processors
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>>70979569
Gonna spam it even more when Zen2 comes out with 16 cores
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>>70979358
FUD spread by competitors to manipulate stock markets.
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>buying amd
no amount of bugs would push me to them
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>>70979648
Stockholm syndrome.
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>yes goyim, buy AMD goyim
>AMD is totally safe goyim, they won't spy on you
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>>70976353
>Pay twice as much for 2% performance advantage
>Patch slows you down 40%
>herp derp its still better poorfag

seething
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>>70979714
>>70979534
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Another month, another wave of exploits lmoa
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>>70971056
>16c-32c optimal core count
>Windows 10 scheduler still can't handle more than 28 cores
Womp womp.
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So Westmere got fucked by the previous microcodes but at least it's not affected by these.
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>>70980919
>implying
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>>70976382
>>70977456
>>70978860
INTEL IS FINISHED AND POZZED AND GARBAGED AND HOUSEFIRED AND 14nm++++++++++++++ED PER SECULUM SECULORUM
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Now I can't think, think why I should even try
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>>70981764
>>70981750
fucking yikes, the world basically lost 20% of computing power overnight
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>>70979026
A few days ago I saw some benchmark video with a 7700k@5ghz.
Literally 100°C
It's actually a wonder they managed a 8 core on this process.
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>>70976037
AMD doesn't have major operations in Israel anon, you're safe.
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>>70982182
They used to have, mostly just to spy on jews and discover their botnet flaws lol
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>>70981750
>>70981764
Fucking kikes, this makes me sad.
Please start buying into Epyc now, they're going to leave Intel in the dust.
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>>70982261
64 cores, rip kikes
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>>70979005
BIG YIKES
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>>70966666
Fucking checked
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>>70970095
>but how much do you trust Intel?
Pic related is what happened to Epic Games servers after meltdown updates, and Intel kept on claiming "minimal performance impact". It's amazing how they keep getting away with it, no lawsuits at all, even from the big companies getting cucked after spending tons of money on Xeon processors.
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>>70982261
It's happening
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mitigations=off real niggas live on the edge
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>>70983379
god i love being pozzed !!!!!!!!!!
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lel fight me. Nobody in recorded history has been affected by any of these variants. Once i hear of attacks being a problem, Then i'll patch. Otherwise i'm not doing shit.
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>>70983464
why do you love that? fucking weirdo
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>>70983517
because i love intel !!!!!!!!!!
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>>70981442
Heh
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>>70983516
>Zombieload steals your data
Nothing personnel.
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>not even Piednoel can defend this
Class action lawsuit fucking when?
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how has there not been a class action lawsuit yet if you have to disable hyper threading just to use the thing?
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>>70966107
>amd has strongest lineup ever
>newest Intel vulnerability mitigations DOUBLE context switch time
>>https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MDS-Zombieload-Initial-Impact
Intel fanbois on suicide watch.
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is there any reason to buy intel at this point?
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>>70981750
OOF
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Intards believe this not a big issue. But it's not them that are the most vulnerable. It's data centers and large companies who need secure systems. All those companies running Xeon server farms are at high risk from corporate espionage and bad political players from other countries.

This is MASSIVE.
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>>70983516
>I'm OK so it must be true
Do you really BELIEVE that? Do you really believe that anyone has been able to catch someone performing an attack yet? Do you really believe that corporate spying and hackers from countries like North Korea are not taking advantage of this?

Get a clue idiot.
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>>70984931
The fucker's still alive? I thought he an-heroed a couple months ago.
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>>70983314
>Previously figures of 3 amd per 50 systems tripled to 9 amd per 50
It's a small step in the right direction
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>>70970841
4670k still holding its ground!
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Is it safe to say at this point that speculative execution is just inherently unsafe, or at least, the only way to make it moderatively safe is to cuck it hard? It's hard to imagine a way to do intense speculative execution without intense extra hardware to protect data from speculative branches, and you can't really check whether a thread is safe or not becuase that defeats the point of speculating. Maybe what it'll have to be, when the dust settles, is a flag set by the scheduler telling the proc a given thread is trusted enough to be executed speculatively.
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>>70986553
>GayGPU
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>>70979405
>How can a goy be smarter than me!
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>intel pozzed inside cpus with 999 vulnerabilities released in the last 2 weeks
>ryzen infinity poofabric with 23785282324572 ns core latency
new cpu company when?
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>>70970812
>>70970812
>>70970812
peak intel
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Windows OS support for MDS mitigation is present: True
Hardware is vulnerable to MDS: True
Windows OS support for MDS mitigation is enabled: True
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>>70987028
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHH WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWW LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>70987020
>>70987028
Holy shit. Have you done any more benches pre and post patch?
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>>70966666
witnessed
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>>70966107
>Our hosting company is experiencing a network outage - seems to be an issue with a fiber, which is affecting not only us, but the wider area.
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Stop trying to slow down my cpu, fuckers

I want that apple gives full control whether we have the patches enabled or disabled. In Winshit 10 you can disable spectre and meltdown patches, but what about the other patches and microcode updates? In Linux you now have to recompile constantly, fucking annoying and a waste of time in an e.g. Udindu install. What if you have a gaming computer on which only performance, not security, matters?
>Implying I'm scared of other people finding out my high scores, so give me speed, goddamnit

fuck security
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>>70987020
>>70987028
REKT
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>>70987020
>>70987028
oh no. oh no no no.
oooh no no no no no no no no.
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>>70987028
holy fucking shit your single core performance what the fuck
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>>70987287
Inturd ETERNALLY BTFO'd, every and ALL Intbeciles should go and hang themselves this very instant, because your pic is not even 2600, yet 2600 is cheaper than 8400, meaning 8400 is fucking DED now.

Also - >>70970806.
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>>70970095
>intel how can we gain the trust of the users again?
>i know lets bench the one fucking cpu line we have that isnt affected from the bug and literally nobody has it
>great idea
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>>It's not about massive latency from context switch over ccx
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MDS-Zombieload-Initial-Impact
Look for "Context Switch" there. Lmao.
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>>70987287
Haha, wtf intel.

Also
>update from cpu-z 1.77 to 1.88 so I can compare benchs
>starts trying to call home
When did this software go wrong?
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>>70987489
>intcel gets stomped on by a 7 year old cpu because of bad cpu design
fucking destroyed
also, that's weird from cpu-z what's the ip that it's trying to contact so i can hosts block it
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>>70987510
>ip
>hosts block
Think that through a little bit more. I would recommend using a firewall, I'm using simplewall. Presumably it's just checking for updates, but I would prefer an option to disable that and I couldn't find any.
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>>70987020
>>70987028
Something is seriously wrong here dude. Got the identical results on both of my runs (you can see the MC version yourself). Windows was updated too
Before:
https://valid.x86.fr/rtkaim
After:
https://valid.x86.fr/n4vtxm
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>>70987028
The i5 is quickly catching up to the i7.
Though i3 absolutely BTFO.
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>>70988043
i3 sucks balls it's just a rebranded i5 7400
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>>70987028
Worse than Piledriver.
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>>70988645
That 8350 is begging for an overclock, see >>70987489
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https://hothardware.com/news/tsmc-5nm-node-doubles-density-amd-ryzen-3000-7nm

INTEL POZZED HOUSEFIRES BTFO
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>>70987020
>>70987028
fucking mouth breather
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>>70988748
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so in order to beat bulldozer intel had to go full retard on security and hope that nobody would ever find out

i wonder if a class action lawsuit will follow after that
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Can someone of you, Intbeciles, test 9xxx now and see for yourself how it's completely gets BTFO'd even by gen1 Zen now? Come on, kids, show us your embarrassment.
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>>70989329
And remember to turn off HT for testing accuracy.
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Like a fucking clock, kek.
Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
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>>70988790
not him but I have a vishera and I can barely cool it as is with an undervolt
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>>70989441
Did you got 8590, or something? 8350 should be fine.
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New thread.

>>70989495
>>70989495
>>70989495
>>70989495
>>70989495

New thread.
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>>70989504
based
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>>70989610
And #BETTEREDpilled.
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>>70989450
8350 vishera, 4ghz
8590 is a scam, 4.2ghz or something
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>>70989731
>8590
8590's stock is 4.7GHz
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>>70987028
OK I'm not going to call shoop but definitely want to wait for some more evidence
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>>70988790
I intended to overclock when I built it, I have the necessary cooling and a capable motherboard. The only reason I haven't is because I have honestly never felt the need to until recently. For all the shit the FX line gets, it's been a decent performer for me. With a decent overclock, it will probably hold out until Zen 4.

>>70989441
That sounds like something is wrong, check you're thermal paste. My 8350 doesn't ever go above 40C.
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>>70990011
have you tried playing battlefield with it? I find even synthethic stress tests don't hammer all 8 cores as much as BF does. It throttles hard when it seems stable in other apps.
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>>70983516
You do know NSA had hundreds of exploits they actively used and no one knew about it until the snowden leak, right?
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>smug fx 6300 here
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>>70990480
>Corelet
>Smug
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>>70990480
Based fellow FX poster
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Can it?



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