>Create a parts listhttps://pcpartpicker.com/>Learn how to build a PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8gWant help?>State the budget & CURRENCY>List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work>For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing>NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"CPUs based on current prices>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade>R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform>Threadripper - HEDT>BE AWARE that Microsoft recommends you disable hyperthreading on Intel CPUs. Be aware that Intel tried to bribe researchers to delay releasing the vulnerability by an extra 6 months so they could do another stock sell off and release you scam 10th gen CPUs with to-be-removed hyperthreading.><8 thread CPUs don't always deliver a consistent 60fps+ in all gamesRAM>NEVER use only a single stick>8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly>16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" for true latency formulaGraphics cards based on current pricing:1080p>RX 570/580 - value.>1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+;> 1660Ti / 1070 / Vega56 / 2060 - higher framerates1440p (WQHD)>1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed>2070 Overclocked or Radeon VII - Worth considering>2080Ti - higher framerates2160p (4k)>Radeon VII - weaker than 2080ti>RTX 2080Ti - good, but poor value.Other>Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard>Consider 75hz display minimum; 60hz are old models>PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING>AIOs don't change the laws of thermodynamicshttps://rentry.co/pcbg-morePrev>>70955174
I need to backup 4TB data, do I buy another 4TB HDD or bigger?
>>70965687Do you intend to add more data? Get bigger. Otherwise if you intend to keep your data under 4TB, get another 4TB. I personally have an 8TB Seagate Ironwolf in my server for dedicated backup for my arrays. Works great. Was $220 for the drive.
>>70965690Upgrade from your FX chip, it's holding back your 1060
if the ViewSonic XG2703-GS and the Acer Nitro VG271UP use the same panel then why would you pay 200 more dollarydoos for the ViewSonic XG2703-GS won't you get the same experience out of both monitors?
If my mobo vendor released a bios update with agesa 0.0.7.2, am I good to go for Ryzen 2? I'm on a gigabyte X370 board, but they haven't actually made an announcement like MSI and Asus did.
>>70965676It appears that the only reason MS/Apple aren't disabling HT by default themselves is because it'll get them sued for disabling a feature they upgraded customers for in Windows/Mac computers.Similar to how Apple and Samsung got fines for deliberately slowing down old phones, MS/Apple/Intel would be more liable to be sued for displaying HT.Instead, they are going to argue that>security is optionalbecause their lawyers say it's more defensible than removing a feature people paid for even if that feature can't be patched to be made secure. Especially when they knew of the flaws when the 9900k was released but sold them while advertising a feature which would need disabling to be secure anyway.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvgyChrk_g>>70965687Up to you. Past 4TB tends to become worse value.>>70965669 If you have good sales available like the US does, buy now. If not, wait for Zen2 release to drive discounts on
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gKLvXP-Hard drives are from my now dying PC (old first gen i3 having Dell Optiplex)-RAM was bought from a friend for $60 and a favor. Slow I know, but 32GB is hard to pass on-Power supply I got for $15 new at Best Buy on sale.I rip DVDs and Blu-ray stuff all the time and then encode the shit to put on my NAS. I do video and photo editing. I do light gaming. (Shovel/Hollow Knight, WoW, Satisfactory, etc). I own a Dell 1080p IPS 75HZ freesync monitor.Anything wrong with this build? Also I heard rumors of a 6c12t AMD APU. Is this true? When will it come out if so? Will it be compatible with current boards? Help is appreciated.
>>70965676Incel cope i7 btfod based no Intel cpus in op
>>70965913Specs? Also what is that screen? Very nice build
>>70965779Sorry but I'm not a pedo and I will hyperthreading on on my 9900k :)
>>70965741that I know but isn't it worth it to wait for the ryzen 3 series? it looked real impressive on paper and great value
>>70966001Bulldozer looked good on paper too
>>70966036Very nice. Shame about the security flaws though.>PPCS Is that Performance-PCs? Are they still fully in business? I remember getting my liquid parts from FrozenCPU but i don't even know if they're still open.
>>70965794Why not a 1700X?
>>709660012600/X is more than enough for your 1060 if you can get 2600/X for cheap there is no point in paying new MSRP prices on the new chips.>>70966036Considering how expensive it is, the $150 extra you wasted for a 9700k that's called a 9900k isn't much of a difference in overall price.
>finally get a Gigabyte GTX 970 with DVI-I port so I can use a 2-way VGA splitter for my dual CRT setup>still waiting on splitter from China>decide to put it in anyway and give my father my ATI Sapphire HD5450 for his computer>realize I only had a DVI-D cable in possession>tfw can only use my shitty LCD monitor until I get the splitter in the mailI JUST WANT TO RENDER SHIT
>>70966124>More money>First gen when 3rd is on the horizon>No iGPU so I'd waste more money a dGPU that I'll hardly utilize
Guys, I need helpMy computer gives me totally random blue screens. Sometimes it happens when I just listen to music, sometimes when I browse the internet or when I just open any fucking program. It even fucking happened when I was typing my Windows password and when Windows was scanning&repairing my driver. Hell, I get blue screens when I'm in fucking BIOS! Every time blue screen stop code is the same: "Critical Process Died" Is it the matter of my motherboard? Or my SSD? Because I can't think of any other reason. It's totally fucked up and I can't use my computer properly with this shit. I had the same problem before, reinstalling Windows fixed the problem for a few months, but it started to happening out of nowhere couple of days ago.Currently I use Windows 10 LTSB
>>70966129for 500$ I could get these right now:>MSI B450-A PRO>the 2600>16gb 3000mhz cl16 ram>antec P110 silent case> 970 evo 250gbEverything else i'll just move from my current pc
>>70966176RAM or motherboard yeah
Beginner here.What exactly does 3200MHz (O.C.) mean in the mobo specs? I googled it but only found contradicting answers.Also I found some HyperX Fury 8GB 3200MHz for cheap in a store here, is it any good? I'm gonna pair it up with a Ryzen 7. Any mobo recommendation is also appreciated.
>>70966146That sucks, personally I have a 1950X threadripper I have 2 VMs for max multi-tasking and efficient video editing/encoding. I honestly wouldn't be able to function with anything less than 8-cores.Is getting something like a used gt 1030 that bad for you?
>>70966188I guess I will go form RAM first and see, if it fixes anything. Thanks buddy.
>>70966181Don't waste money on the 970 evo. When are you people going to learn this?Anyway, for $500 that doesn't sound like great value. That'd be more around $350-400 US. But if you have the money and don't want to wait, go ahead.>>70966176Generally that is RAM or board.>>70966228Officially supported RAM speeds. That's not very great. Better boards usually support 3466 or 3600. But sometimes you can OC to those speeds anyway.If it's 3200CL16 it's fine. Whatever is the cheapest 3200CL16.
>>70966285well prices are pretty jacked here in Romania.Why is the 970 evo a money waster? what would be a better use for it?
>AMDrones shill their garbage CPUs again
I'm guessing this should be fine now. Unless there's something horribly wrong about this that I haven't noticed yet I'll order this tomorrow.Either way thanks for the help guys
>>70966309Just replace the 9700K with a $200 ryzen 2700, B450 motherboard. Paying hundreds more for 5% better perf is fucking bananas.pic related 4.2 GHz 2700X vs 5GHz i7-8700K
>>70966300NVMe only get much use on a server or as a scratch disk.It's no better of a "boot drive" as just a fast SATA drive like the MX500 or 860 Evo.>>70966309Seems okay.>>70966349MX500 should be cheaper. Rest is good.I'd hurry with getting the Vega 56 before the sale ends or they go out of stock.
>>70966349Looks good, but why not wait to see what Zen2 is like? There's 12 days to announcement.
>>70966349Get the 2700 (only ~5% slower) instead and spend more money on 16GB of RAM.
>>70966309>>70966356Is it 5% higher?Because the new security update lowers performance 3-11% on 9th gen.All benchmarks before today are invalidated.
>>70966349you dont need 750w for vega 56, 650w will be enough(unless u want to build some beast afterwards with same psu), and consider sapphire pulse or red dragon, asus has(or had?) vrm cooling problems on their vegas
RX 580 or 1660?
>>70966370Pretty sure he has 16GB of RAM, sold as 2 1x8GB sticks
>>70966300You can always order from other EU countries. For example, I got a monitor for 200 eur cheaper than in my country from Germany, shipping included. You don't lose out on the warranty either.
>>70966356>shilling the inferior 2700X >for gamesAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>70966285So does that mean I'd need to OC that mobo so the RAM can reach 3200MHz?>If it's 3200CL16 it's fineIt's 3200CL18. Guess I'll keep looking then.
>>70966436You having a mental breakdown mate?Those performance hits getting you?
>>70966439no, it means the mobo can overclock the ram modules up to their specified frequencies. the mobo supporting 3466 or 3600 usually means it has better vrms, but still you can fiddle with it and try overclocking manually to aim for better timings and higher frequency
>>70966436I'll bite: please KINDLY explain pic related.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y7myYTFor programming/gaming/3D/CAD fucking around on Linux and Windows VM for gayming?No Intel CPU's please i don't have a 240Hz Monitor and no Nvidia GPU's because they suck on Linux.
>>70966403>you don't lose out on the warrantyyeah but you gotta send em to whatever country instead, probably insure the package which i assume costs hefty
guys. i was thinking of replacing the stock cooler for my ryzen 2700x. i wanna do the NH-D15. but i am worried if it will fit in my case or not. got any suggestions? fyi motherboard is asrock b450 pro4
>>70966637i'm not familiar with that case but it's a mini itx rig so as usual check if your gpu fits the case.other than that it's pretty solid.
>>70966609Oh, got it. Thanks anon
>>70966636>ultra qualityCmon goy, everyone knows benchmarks above 720p low quality and not paired with a rtx 2080 ti don't matter! And you better not patch those vulnerabilities!
>>70966637>2700XWhy not 2700?>1TB SSDle fuck? Why not 480GB 2.5 sata SSD + 2TB 2.5 sata HDD?
>>70966698gotta know the case too m8
>>70966698What for? OC'ing vs XFR 2 is only gonna net you like 3% better performance unless you got a super uber rare 4.4GHz lottery chip.
>>70966744NZXT h500 mid tower
>>70966806NH-D15 will fit no problem.
>>70966801>what is 64KB block size for media storage2700X is 4.3 GHz MAX boost2700 is 4.1 GHz MAX boost 200MHz higher boost for $100+? You sure about that senpai?
Okay lads, blue screen Anon here, I am sure now that it's motherboard fault. So, do you recommend any MOBO with LGA 1150 chipset? I have i5-4670k. I would really appreciate budget recommendations, as I am low on money. Currency is PLN.
>>70966636>153 vs 156 fpswoooooooooooooow
>>70966739>Why not 2700?I don't know but made me think, i might just get a cheap 2600 and replace it with a Zen2 CPU later.>Why no HDD?I don't need that much storage and HDDs make annoying sounds and are slow.
>>70966866>not enjoying the pleasant sound of one's hard drive working away, letting you know if it's doing something or not.
>ever using Hardware Unboxed as proof
>>70966873I sleep in the same room as my computer :/
>>70966874Zen 3000 release will reveal who are the real AMDrones and who will stick with Incel.
>>70966880>not putting your computer to sleep/hibernate to save money on one's power billwhat, do your parents still pay for your electricity?
>>70966874>STILL shilling intlelfucking hell that must take some dedication at this point
>>70966873>>pleasant sound of one's hard drive working awayyeah, no, it's not a pleasant sound at all.
>>70966913How am I shilling Intel when showing that using that dudes benchmarks is retarded, considering they're skewed heavily in AMD's favor?
>>70966902Where do you live that you cant afford to pay electricity?
How many seconds can a CPU stay on when testing without thermal paste, using the heatsink dry?I don't want to waste my thermal grizzly if the system won't boot.
>>70966880i sleep in the same room as your mom bro
>>70966930AMD shilling gudIntel shilling bad
>>70966859>>70966874>>70966930>>70966938Took you fucking long enough, we're getting BTFO in every direction in this thread. Sound the alarm, zion must know of these antisemites in this thread.
>>70966932not wanting to save money? sounds like an intel user.
Just got a rx480 on ebay, gonna pair it up with a ryzen 3 1200. Do you reckon 8gb ram is enough for most games? Some photoshop editing too. Also, is 2400 watt enough with dual sticks?Similar questions for power supply, 450W enough? Thinking about stuff like Doom and Warhammer Total War 2.
>>70966962What components do you already have and what is your budget?
So this basically confirms that Zen 2 won't be out till 7/7, right? Disappointed tbqh, I wanted it shortly after computex.
>>70966986b450 mobo, otherwise nothing yet. 350 Euro max
>>70966995shit that's kinda late wtf
>>70967012Yeah, and I'm in desperate need of a new computer. The wait is killing me.
>>70966858>imagine shilling for free daily
>>70966370Yeah, I'm getting 2 x 8GB>>70966384I'd honestly just rather go overkill with the PSU, I've had a lot of trouble with PSUs before (the specific model of my GPU being JUST above what my PSU can support constantly crashed my pc)
>>709669482 seconds is not enough for me to test. I have some silver color bolt grease for my car, would that give me more time?
>>70966951Security doesn't matterPerformance doesn't matter
wow Zen 2 is still so far away, at that point I might as well skip it for the next generation and stay with Kaby Lake. Glad I didn't already buy a cheap Ryzen PC just to be ready when it comes.
>>70966995Based Zen crushing xepoo trash, best performance in the universe.
>>70967125my 6y/o bronze 650w handles vega 56 no problem, but up to you
>>70965676what kind of gaming experience can i expect if i buy ryzen 5 2400g and 8 gb of ram? i plan to play gta, cod, world of tanks, ac, far cry, just cause and similar open world games. i will use old 720p tv
>>70967000Tight budget. If you're from germany you could get thishttps://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gXs6J8Best I could do. If prices are different you would have to tell us where you're from.
>>70967193Hilarious how AMDrones ignore the 9700k and 9900k and always insist on the 8700kWhenever you present the 9700k or 9900k they always come back with the most expensive ThreadripperShills gonna shill
>>70967168>8 core 16 8 thread without HTDid you just have a stroke?
Been sucking a lot of dick down at the docks lately and got £500 for a new GPU, second hand 1080 Ti or something else? It's just for gaming at 1080p but I might upgrade to 1440p when I whore my femboi hole out.
Bunch of sales going for memorial day, I just got myself a new monitor!
>>70967259Yes of course.
>>70967259I'm happy as a big in shit with my used 1080 ti. Had an old 240 AIO lying around so I put that on it, flashed to no power limit vBIOS and get a nice steady 2066 MHz on full load even with gpu boost dickery. Never dropped a frame on my GN246HL. Upgrading to a this week VG271UP!
>>70967217Austria. But you gotta consider that I'm already counting the mobo and gpu towards the budget. 45 and 109, respectively. I'll be foregoing a hdd for now, gonna pick a 240g ssd.I mainly want to know if 450w is gonna be enough for a power supply considering my needs, ditto the ram. Like, I've heard you should go for 2666 minimum with ryzen, but I also heard you can just overclock a 2400 stick to that?
>>70967193>>70967223>RAM used: a single 8GB stick of 2133MHz rejected by even the chinks found behind a dumpster
>>70967306hmm hmm yes that's a lot of words. So used 1080 ti is the way to go?
>>70967329if you look closely you will notice that the Ryzen (the newer chip) is slower than the (older) Coffe Lake i7.
>overclocking CPU>get to a fine line where my CPU starts throttling after 20 minutes of Prime95 but if I lower the Vcore even 0.01 less I BSOD after 20 minutes of Prime95Which of the two situations are preferable? Lowering the clock speed isn't an option.
>>70967344If you're sticking to 1080p, maybe wait next month for a cheaper Navi card, but I don't think you're getting better performance for any less.
Can anything do 4K 144fps yet?
>>70967383Prime95 is too hot for setting realistic 24/7 OCs. Try handbrake or an x264 loop for 6-8 hours instead. Realbench can do it too.
>>70967383get better cooling or deal with the throttling/hope it never gets stressed enough to throttle like prime95 does it
>>70967392Thanks senpai, I'll buy a 1080 ti then.
>>70967398>>70967215Not gonna be great but serviceable I guess. Latency will be killer on the tv tho
>>70967398>>70967215Just check some reviews and benchmarks.
>>70967314Yes 450 watt is enough, if possible no chink-tier shit. Yes you can use 2400 memory. Try to get 2x4 gb sticks with as low cl and high mhz as possible.
>>70967426Doesn't look like it, SLI is totally dead too: https://youtu.be/oSnsCzEkalQ
>>70967447what gpu(s) should i get to play those games on 720p high and 1080p high? preferably new
>>70967426twin RTX Titan but not in the latest demanding games
>>70966858>when you were considering intel before seeing this
>>70967459Thanks. Any recommendations for power supply? (If possible, around 40 euros.)For Ram I was thinking https://www.amazon.de/dp/B019FRCY2U/Good enough?
>>70966781well considering i am constantly reporting tctl temps between 90-100 degree c i think it would make sense
>>70967497at least a 570 or 580, 8gb versions if you can
>>70967497RTX 2060 or a Vega card with a good bundle. At this price point, you really should try the used market. Vega 56s and GTX 1080s are selling for dirt cheap.
>>70967497Oh sorry, I was recommending >>70967606 for 1080p@144 Hz. For 1080p@60 Hz >>70967605 is perfectly fine.
>>70967605>>70967635alright. ill get 2400g and 8gb 580. anything else i should watch out for or to just get cheapest compatible mbo and ram?
>>70966636>>70966859>>70966874>>70967193Posting pre-patch benchmarks is blatant trolling.>>70967168... yes 8 core without HT is no different than 8 core.Intel doesn't make any 8c/16t CPUs anymore.>>70967497RX570 will play almost all games on "high" settings, though not always maxed.
>>70966956Check what im building my man
>>70967690don't get a 2400g and a dedicated GPU, get a r5 1600 instead, it's better than the 2400g. and cheaper, too, especially if you live near a microcenter. For RAM, get at least 3000mhz CL16
>>70965676what a shitstorm lmao who here #15framesless ryzen club
just release already Ryzen 3000 AMD. I need to bully my friendos with a 9900k
>>70967576This should be good enoughhttps://www.amazon.de/dp/B00H33SFJU/Or this https://www.amazon.de/dp/B079KG3TZ5/If it's only 2.50€ more for you too consider this ramhttps://www.amazon.de/dp/B01ARHEY3O/Sorry that I can't be more helpful but my knowledge on low end parts is limited.
there is something like this for AMD ?
>>70968007Yes but I don't have it handy. Maybe someone else does.>safe choices for 9900kbut it's the same as the 9700k now lolBasically Crosshair VII > M7, Taichi >= Strix > Gaming Carbon, Tomahawk, Mortar > TUF-pro gaming > bazooka, a-pro, pro4.
>>70968007There is but it's incomplete and makes a lot of assumptions. You're better off telling us what you're building and asking us what motherboards will fit your requirements.
>>70967981why didn't you just buy the 9900k half a year ago like them?
>>70965676So my hard drive is shaking its self apart and Im thinking about buying an SSD. Do the things still fail all the time? I only need about 500GB-1TB of storage. If I only get a 500GB I was going to keep the hard drive and use it as extra storage. Then find a way to dampen the sound. What do you guys advise?
>>70968166>What do you guys advisehow about you drop the tripcode you muppet
>>70968151i'm poor and they bought it 1 month ago
>>70967690Hold up nigger, why are you getting an APU and a GPU? Get a used Ryzen 5 if you're getting a RX 580.
>>70968232>>70967690Make sure you get a b450/x370/x470 board at least.
>>70968109Ya but now the 9900k no longer exists. It's just a 9700k with a different name.>>70968166>Do the things still fail all the time?Not as long as you get 3D-TLC or better, nope. They're far better since the move to 3D NAND.>>70968151Most of us were smart and headed the warnings AFUCKINGYEARAGOthat HT is riddled with vulnerabilities and won't be fixable in software and will require disabling.Not everyone is a retarded incel who will pay $500 for a broken buggy CPU full of vulnerabilities and backdoors.
>>70968283lmao this desu. Integer perf alone is axed 20% with HT off with the brand spanking new vulnerabilities discovered.
is there a recommended bluetooth keyboard? preferably something with a trackball or trackpad integrated, so I don't need to futz around with a wireless mouse also. mostly just for light-weight couch interaction.
>>70968232it is cheaper than r5 1600 in germany>>70968245what is the difference between one of those and cheapest a320?i want to build something cheap. initial idea was just 2200g, 8gb of ram and buy gpu sometime in future. the way it is going whenever i ask for advice, ill soon be building 4k rig
>>70968224doesn't sound like they'll feel particularly bullied
I've been itching to buy a 2600x but I'm afraid of its performance in emulation. will it be worse than my i5 7500?
>>70966369not that guy but Zen+ has better value now, you can get a 2700x+mobo for cheap, so why wait?
How is it looking? Haven't decided on a GPU yet.I heard the Ryzen is very picky about RAM, is this one good enough? Will it reach 3200MHz?
>>70966636Literally no difference to the cheaper 2600x, why pay more for shit you won't take advantage of? just to flex your e-penis on chinese basket-weaving enthusiast forums?
>>70968900Cause there's only 12 days to see what Zen2 is offering, so why not wait at least that long?
>>70968232>>70968245At this point I might wait for B550/X570 boards even if getting Zen or Zen+ to have the better and PCIe4 platform when it comes to a future upgrade.Unless you just plan to ride the 2600/X/2700X for 5+ years and don't care.Should be noted that B550 boards likely won't come out for like a month after X570 boards, though.>>70968324>>70968617Keep in mind that intel is using the most favorable tests for them here.Try Kingdom Come Deliverance and I bet it gets a 30%+ performance hit.>>70968755>Friends have STD riddled expensive prostitute girlfriends>Poorfag finds nice sweet cute girl who is low maintenance and pays for half the datesThey'll be livid.>>70968898I'd imagine it'll be 10c/10t for the top end for 10th gen.Intel tried to bribe the researches to push the disclosure embargo period from 12 months to 18 months so they could release 10c/20t but that failed so I don't see how they have a choice now.They may still release 10c/20t because it might somehow help their legal defense to continue to claim hyperthreading isn't defunct.>>70968943Because all the OS are disabling it by default or at least recommending it be disabled. Check the news.>>70968904I'd really add another $95 to replacing your SSD entirely with a new 1Tb one.But besides that, yeah it's fine.>>709688652600x is similar to the 9600k in RPCS3 so much better than the 7500.But neither do 60fps in many games. You need a 2700X to get 60fps more of the time. Zen2 might be better.For older emulators it's fine. Last I checked the 2600X does 60fps in BotW.>>709689512700X is better in a few cases. RPCS3 emulator, Kingdom Come Deliverence, and a handful of others.
>>70968904m8 you're buying a 2700x and a mid-high end mobo, get some decent ram. G.skill 3200 C14 at least.
>>70967383AVX offset doofusget a more normal workload tester and literally do every test twice. you might end up with high normal workload speeds that AVX workloads and actually squeeze amazing performance out of it
>>70968951Because 2600x stutters like shit? Nowadays you need 8 core / 16 thread CPU to have a comfortable gaming experiance. That leaves you with two choices: backdoored, overpriced Intel housefires and 2700x for half the price.
>>70968983>Kingdom Come Deliverencehttps://youtu.be/3qlvpZ5Oszk?t=366
>>70969037>Nowadays you need 8 core / 16 thread CPU to have a comfortable gaming experiance.Nigger, please. 56% of the market is still in 4c/4t according to Steam's hardware survey, not a single game takes advantage of 8 cores yet. 6c/12t is the next standard for gaming for the next five years or so.
>>70969049That's not max settings. Also depends on the location as it's REALLY inconsistent.Some of the graphics settings like LOD actually increases CPU load.2700X struggles to maintain 60fps in that game maxed. Needs fast memory. 9700k drops well under 50fps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgsc0y6mZWgClearly not GPU bottlenecked. It drops from like 90 in some parts down to the 40s.>>70969080>56% of the market is still in 4c/4t according to Steam's hardware surveyNot that anon, but most people think that a computer stuttering and hitching is normal.Or if they see it IS a problem, they think it's their graphics card or something because they're convinced that no game uses more than 2 cores so it can't possibly be their shit CPU.So many people are just used to PCs running shit and don't realize they can affordably get one that runs smoothly.As you can see above, there are some examples that 8c/8t or 6c/12t isn't enough for. 8c/16t really looks to be becoming the minimum. However, that's only if you actually play those kinds of games which tons of people don't. And tons are fine with 40-50fps (which frankly is alright in a slower game with Freesync).
Is the Corsair 200R a good case? I don't give a shit about gamer windows to see my RGB RAM. I just want something that will hold my components and not overheat.
are there any other good m.2 drives comparable to 970 evo?someone said pick something with dram what does that mean?
>>70969130>That's not max settings. Also depends on the location as it's REALLY inconsistent.Then don't play at max settings if the game is unoptimized as shit and has that many variables impacting the performance you absolute dolt.
>>70969156MX500 and 860 Evo have DRAM cache. They mean DRAM cache.That's what separates them from plain 3D-TLC drives like the SU800 and WD Blue.>>70969134No. Get something designed in the past 2-3 years.
Best 500-550W PSU?
Will this melt my PC or fuck up my fans?
>>70969241no and yes
>>70969239what an absolute clusterfuck of an image
>>70969252I was here yesterday, the faggot which fans would stay at 20% constantlyHow should it look?
>>70969241running fans at 100% does wear them down faster, of course it does.>>70969212Idk about best. There's a lot of good ones. Show us your like 3-5 options. Prices vary a lot as they go on sale every week or 2.
so I built my pc about a month ago. with a ryzen 2600x and the stock heatsink is this good or bad? I am playing a game on one monitor and I have two streams opened on the other.
>>70969278simply put your fan adjustiong software needs to keep runnning. the only way to change fan settings is with bios changes. without those changes you need a software constantly running to set fan speed.
>>70969296do you termal trhottle? if so, you need better cooling
>>70969318Sorry I dont know what that is
so is intel just turning the i7 into i5s?
>>70969306but even since I installed Afterburner at set custom fan speed profile my fans actually do something so it does workI think AMD software fucks it up
>>70969337thats a pretty good way of looking into it
>>70969326get reading then
>>70969296Why would that be bad?... Except for the 2133 MHz memory.>>70969337Yes. And i9 into i7.They even sold the 9900k knowing this vulnerability would require disabling it. Intel knew about this vuln over 12 months ago before the 9900k was set to be released.
>>70969363I just wanted to make sure since this is my first build in about 10 years? I will change my mhz now which I forgot to do so.
>>70969372if you are serious about it wait for the new AMD stuffit cant be worse that overpaying intel or waiting for their 11th gen
Hello my /guys. Can someone give me a quick rundown of current state of CPU and GPU world? I've been out of loop since nvidia 900 series rolled out. Is AMD good now?
>>70968743a320 is locked, b or x will allow overclocking
>>70969394CPUs:AMD good, intel also goodGPUs:Nvidia still king, AMD good in mid range
>>70969292I'm mainly looking at the CoolerMaster MasterWatt, Corsair CXM and SeaSonic S12II.
>>70969394Wait until CES.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3G4XD2Looking to upgrade my rig. My GPU is 1060 6gb which is being bottlenecked by my old i5-4400 and my shitty ddr3. Any thoughts/red flags before I pull the trigger on these?
>>709694492133 RAM is a pretty fucking huge red flag and a big yikes for lack of research m8
>>70969449You're way over paying for that slow as hell RAM kit and Ryzen LOVES faster RAM. Honestly though with Ryzen 7nm launching soon I might wait.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dBTsvn
>>70969394vega 56 for 300 the best bang for buck
>>70969394Vega is good.RX580 uses A LOT of power. Like just as much or more than Vega despite Vega having 50-60% higher perf.590 is a 580 with like 10% higher performance. Worse than Nvidia's 1660 unless you're getting the games with it and actually want them or want to bother to resell them.RTX is a huge failure and overpriced.As far as CPUs, hyperthreading is defunct, but 6 threads is also not enough now days for tons of games. Especially if you have anything running in the background. AMD's SMT works well, though.>>70969421Masterwatt and S12II are fine. I'd go with the Masterwatt since the S12II fan is kind of shitty though Masterwatt's may be as well.>>70969449>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3G4XD2Why would you get 2133 RAM when 3200CL16 is like... literally $1 more?Rest is fine assuming that you, for some reason, need an optical drive.
>>70969484Any idea which have a non-shitty fan?
>>70969516I know the focus gold, evga g2/g3, antec earthwatts, and some others are fine but they're typically $45+
Does this mean I fixed my ram to 3200?
just to tell you how retarded I am, i'm buying a 1440p 144hz monitor paired with a gtx 1070 bottlenecked by a 4670k and 8gb of ram at 1600Mhzfeels good to be poor
>>70969561Seems fine except for the 4670k. If it were a 2600 or even a 1600, you'd be fine.>>70969570That's not an AMD shill posting. Only the 9700k test was shown and the claim that it doesn't manage 60fps verified.
>>70969551yestress test it
>>70969600yeah I need to change everything but at this point i'm waiting for Ryzen 3k. I really want a new monitor
>>70969296I know ryzen master doesn work on windows 7. What about the AMD shit for GPUs? that lets you manage the voltage and shit? Does that at least work?
>>70969470>>70969484I think I picked the wrong option from the list, the one im going for is 2666. Is that a better option?
>>70969618People do 1440p or even 4k on the RX580, just at lower settings and/or older games.1070 is passable.>>709696823200CL16 or 3000CL15.
>>70969682Do you heave ADHD? Did you even read?
>>70969708i'm more worried about my cpu causing bottlenecks, microstuttering or stuttering
>>70969484>Vega is good.
How is this build for 1440p/60hz+?I know lots of RGB, but I like it. I already have the power supply and SSDs from my last PC.
Non autistic recommendations accepted.
>>70966874>>70966859>mental illness infographicsDidnt even notice its in a intel font till now(((Really makes you think)))
>>70969729Yeah but you said everything when the main issue is the stutterwell CPU.>>70969839Don't get the 8700k, it's just an 8600k now.Change it to a 2700X.As long as the GPU is A-die, seems fine.>PSU from last PCHard to believe your last PC had an SFX PSU, but I guess you'll find out when you get it huh.>1440p 60hzYou could save like 600 euro by just get a 2600X and Vega56>>70969849Don't get gigabyte board.Choose a better GPU. what the fuckGet a 1TB SSD for $10 less WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
>>70969849Consider getting 16GB of RAM by downsizing your case, since you have an mATX board selected. Also, consider getting a 1660 or 1660ti instead of the 1060.
I have a 2600x and a R9 380 4gb, is a 580 8gb a nice upgrade? I see them for less than £200 which is less than I bought the 380 for at the time. Staying on 1080p for the foreseeable future.
>>70969877>>70969881Take note that I'm in canada niggers, Prices are inflated and most shit doesn't get imported let alone imported cheap.
>>70969884580 8Gb is about 2x the performance for less power consumption.Might even want to simply get an RX570, for that matter, unless you find a good 580 deal.>>70969919Gigabyte isn't better in Canada.SSD is still overpriced.GPU is still an awful choice. RX580 is $70 cheaper. How did you wind up choosing a $310 canadian pesoes single fan 1060 out of all your choices?
>>70969950Cause I live in fuckin Ontario bud, I don't live next to a fuckin gpu factory, shipping is expensive and prices are inflated + the currency.
How do I know if I used too little thermal paste?
>>70969884I'd say to 590, they're cheap af if you find a sale.
>SDL Trados Studio recommends an "Intel or compatible CPU-based computer"The fuck is this even supposed to mean
I want to build an ITX gaming PC to carry around. Where should I start?
what's with Ubisoft games and AMD CPUs?
>>70969537Oh yeah, one more question. I was thinking this tower:https://www.amazon.de/dp/B015KFXMC2/Good choice? Do I need more than one fan?
>>70969484>but 6 threads is also not enough now days for tons of games.are you fucking high?
>>70969971I'm looking at Canadian prices, pal.$240 for RX580.>>70970015AMD bribing them to try and get them to stop making their games run shit I guess.>>70970012Just get the SU800 1TB. It's a lot better than your current drives and only $95.>>70970025Get something better, made in the past 2-3 years generally.>>70970003Figure out if a 2400G is enough for you or if it'll need a dGPU.Then pick out a case.Try and minimize number of wires as that's one of the other pains of traveling around with it.>>70969977Between $180 for 580, $200 for RX590 on sale, I'd go for the 590 as well. That's assuming the games incentive is still going on. Without it, better off getting a 1660.
are B450 mobos enough for 2700x's?
>>70970056>Get something better, made in the past 2-3 years generally.Any suggestions? Trying to keep it around that price.
what is better to buy, 4 gb 580 or 8 gb 570?
>>70970080neitherrx 600 series are coming and they should be about the same disapointment
>>709700808gb 570. A LOT of games are using over 4Gb now days. Or rather, depends on what you play.I saw that $105 RX580 4Gb. That's a crazy good deal if you plan on just upgrading in 1-2 years.>>70970076uhh Thermaltake G3, Q300L, Thermaltake Versa, Cougar QBX or whatever their ATX one is called... Cougar makes a number of decent cheap knockoff cases, really.
>>70970056>Just get the SU800 1TBDunno, do you think the read/write speeds of 3500MB/s and 2300MB/s aren't worth it?
>>70970071The Tomahawk is for sure. Others are so-so, depends on your case fans.>>70970090Stop spreading misinformation. I know you're just ignorant and can't tell the difference, but you should at least know you're too ignorant to be saying anything to begin with and should know better than trusting your own judgement.RX600 are OEM refreshes for Macs. Navi is coming in Q3.>>70970099No because they will be bottlenecked to 550 or less in the real world due to other factors.You'd only see that speed when transferring a file from two of the same drive. It does not improve boot/load times. So it's $60 more for nothing in your use case.You could look at the ADATA SX6500 or whatever it is. It's sometimes not much more. But it's also generally not going to be any faster in real world usage, but still better than paying $155 instead of $85-$95.
>>70970097Hm, those are all a bit more expensive than I'd like. Is there any real advantage to going with a more expensive case?
>>70970153Older cases are made for 3.5" and 5.25" shit which are now defunct. There's also a lot of other design features in newer cases.Uh SRM-01 is a really cheap one that's not absolute crap but the airflow isn't amazing.
Alright so I decided on a RTX 2070, any alternatives you'd recommend that aren't from the below>2060Might not be powerful enough, 6gb vram is a bit unreasonable for a card this modern anyway>2080Overkill and expensive>1080Overpriced compared to the RTX and still expensive>1660tiAgain lackluster performance for the price from what I remember >Vega 56/64Probably too weak and expensive respectively, AMD killing off the vega line isn't confidence inspiring either
I'm buying Ryzen. Fuck Intel and fuck Israele
>>70970212what res do you play?
>>70970172Hm, the price is good, but will all my stuff fit in there?>b450m aorus mobo>rx480 8gb>500w power supply (probably)I was thinking of a mid tower originally.What's bad about the one I posted earlier?
>>70970128Huh, didn't know about that. Thanks anon
>>709702271440p/144hz (a stable 120 or so is fine. The rest of my build is high-end, just my GPU is bottlenecking me
>>70970261>The rest of my build is high-end, just my GPU is bottlenecking meThen get the 2080? the 2070 won't give you a solid 1440p/144hz for the next years. Why cheap out now when you've spent so much already?
>>70970276>>70970212>>70970261even a A die 2070 will be stuck mostly at 90 fps unless you tone down settings in the recent gamesget a 2080
>>70970276The 2080 is like double the price and I've been upgrading parts over time. Currently I can get 144hz at 1080p for most games I play, I figure the performance difference from the 2070 should more than offset this>>70970296See above, for the record I'm not playing AAA shit on ultra, at worst modern, online stuff at around high graphics
>>70969839>intel shit>2 weeks from zen 2 announcement lmao
>>70970310>Currently I can get 144hz at 1080p for most games I playwhy did you even buy a 1440p display then lmao, imagine how blurry that shit must be
>>70969839>buying 2017 CPUs in 2019
>>70970341I'm using my 1080p monitor as a point of reference, I'm not running 1080p on a 1440p
>>70970212>vega 64>Probably too weak and expensive respectively?Vega 64 is 4-11% slower for 25% cheaper.You're too deluded by blower benchmarks.>>70970237Again, don't get a Gigabyte board with AMD.>will it fitLook at GPU dimensions compared to supported GPU size.
>>70970370Sorry I'm retarded, I meant Vega 64/vii respectively, not 56/64. Dgw mein Deutsch noch schlecht ist
>>70970402Should be 420 euro there compared to like 500+ euro for 2070s, right?VII tends to be cheaper than 2080 too.Not as good as the US when you get the games to sell too, though, sure.
>>70970370>Again, don't get a Gigabyte board with AMD.Yeah kinda too late for that.I don't understand what you mean by that second sentence. Don't mid towers fit anything?[spoiler]German speaking so I might be missing something here[/spoiler]
>>70970179t. c*nsole shitter
>>70970421It's about 500-550 for a decent brand 2060 and about 700+ for the Radeon while the latter on benchmarks performs about 15% better, also a lot of bitching about this card online from what I've seen>>70970446Have for a few years, originally as a hobby but I'm planning on moving there as of late
>fucking chipset fans on x570 boardsI wish x470 mobos stay readily available. The most depressing thing is the fans would probably be completely unnecessary if only they'd use proper finstacks and heat pipes.
Anyone familiar with 1.2 V DDR4 kits? Typically what dies are they, and do they scale with voltage? They can be half the price of 3200 MHz firstname.lastname@example.org V B-die kits, but if they're just AFR then even at 1.5 V they're not going over 3466 MHz. But still they would need some awful scaling to be worse than a 3200 email@example.com V AFR kit.
Can anybody help a brainlet overclock his RAM? I have B-die at 3200/14 paired with my Ryzen, and I'm interested in changing my timings and/or speed to see what happens.
>>70970589https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/Now with HCI Memtest bundled for you brainlets!
>>70970439>Yeah kinda too late for that.Ok>I don't understand what you mean by that second sentence. Don't mid towers fit anything?Uhh no cases will have max cooler height and max gpu length specifications.RX480s usually weren't much bigger than PCIe slot high and should fit, though.>>70970543>Typically what dies are theyAny>and do they scale with voltage... of course. 1.35v RAM is just RAM with a built in OC profile (XMP).>They can be half the price of 3200 MHz 14-14-14-34I'm not aware of any B-die kits not at 1.35V. Maybe the Gskill 2800 @ 1.2v kit is.The 2666CL15 and 2800 @ 1.2v kits are a decent base to try your luck on overclocking yourself, but the problem is they aren't always cheaper.>>70970589>help a brainlet>overclock RAMNo. Overclocking RAM is pretty complicated. You need to spend a few hours reading.
>>70970439Anyone? I don't wanna go above 40 euros for the case, but I don't know shit about things you need to look out for.
Best 1080p 24inch VA?
>>70970626Also from Burgerland, NJ. Have been to Italy, Greece, and the UK and they make Jersey look advanced.
>>70970644Almost all 1080p 24" monitors on the market are TN these days. The apparent benefits of VA no longer apply now that the price of IPS has normalized.
>>70970606I have memtest running right now after setting my timings to the FAST suggestion based on my b-die sticks and 3200MHz. Am I off to a good start?
>>70970647Well you also named two countries I don't want to live in and even Italy is far from my top choice. Putting aside language barriers and issues with assimilating, my top choices are Switzerland, Slovenia, Germany, Sweden and Denmark in that order>>70970657The other thing is for gayming VA is pretty bad for input lag and blur while half-decent IPS panels are a good compromise. It's also hard to find VA on anything smaller than 32" anyway, which at least to me is unreasonably large and even more pointless without at least being 1440p
I'm one step closer to a computer. The case was too big for the box though, couldn't use the second handle to get it down the stairs.How many fans is too many? This case supports up to 22.
>>70970706Less fans is more.
>>70966314This post didnt age well cough zombieload...fallout...cough
I need a pc with hyper threading does intel offering anything with that??
>>70970657this doesn't help me
>>70970739See: >>70970676VA is a meme and completely pointless at 1080p (which I doubt even exists). If your interest is picture quality get a 1440p IPS
>>70970618WHAT CASE SHOULD I GET?
>>70970769Oh also in the interest of picture quality you'll want a 27", 24" is my preferred size but it's a waste for non-TN panels/anything higher higher than 1080p
>>70970769I was actually interested in the higher contrast ratio.Which IPS does not have, also IPS have glow and shit.
>>70970792>1080p 27 better than 1080p 24excuse me?
>>70970811That's my personal opinion, calm your tiddies>>70970801IPS glow is extremely over exaggerated except on shit models but either way, for the type of monitor you want you'll need 27" minimum
>>70970706>How many fans is too many? This case supports up to 22.23.But less large fans is better than more small ones.120mm minimum.>>70970730No.You mean SMT as no one has Hyperthreading anymore.>>70970644MSI optix and that AOC with the same panel are you only options. And Samsung but whatever.>>70970801>IPS have glowonly shitty ones do. Mine doesn't. Never saw complaints about that on the Nixeus Edg27 or that Mbest monitor, either.
Portable PC that can run any game at 1080/1440p at ultra. Any corners I should cut or should I swap to intel?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xM8R7W
>>70970930>he fell for rtx meme and paying 370$ for 300$ performance
>>70970930Get Vega 56 Pulse. It's $70 cheaper. More so if you count the games. Yes, it's cool and uses little power. Though you might need a case that fits a 2.5 slot card like the rvz03 which is largely a better case anyway.If you get a slightly larger case, I believe the 2600 stock cooler actually fits.Replace SSD with 1TB SU800 a-fucking-gain for only $10-$20 more.It's like we have to just put >no Samsung SSDs in the OPsince even though they're good, they're almost always not the best choice as they're super overpriced but they're what people put in their builds 90% of the time as they know no better. It's that or an old 2D NAND one that used to be popular 7 years ago but is now defunct.
im trying to put a second RAM into my PC because my computer keeps fuckin closing firefox from lack of memory when I'm trying to draw and listen to music at the same timeanyway i looked up this and it's supposed to tell me what RAM I have, but it doesn't tell me what RAM Frequency I have? There's supposed to be a bunch of numbers like this 'DDR4-2400' but where are they? It also suggests a bunch of different RAMs that would work, but they all have different frequencies? they go from 1866 to 1600. my motherboard is GIGABYTE GA-Z87-HD3 btw I'M SCARED im about to waste all my money on something that doesnt work why is this so hard i want to cry
>>70970879again I question 1080p at 27, why would you want to see pixels or have to sit at least 1m away from the screen.
>>70971021Are you a trans? Gay? A woman? Why are you going to fucking cry?The best way to check is to just pop open the side and look at them, they have model number stickers on them. You don't even need to remove it.
>>70971021Start Task Manager. Click the Performance tab at the top. Click Memory, should be second down. Make sure you have it set to "more details" at the bottom of the window. When you click memory, you should see what speed and how much ram you have.
Why shouldn't I get a refurbished r9 290 for 80 bucks?
Is there a way to connect my laptop and my desktop and share a monitor? I want to be able to use my laptop and monitor as a dual monitor set up when studying and reading, and I want to be able to use my desktop when gaming and doing other shit, but I don't want to manually be rearranging cables and settings every time. Is there a good way to work with this kind of setup?
>>70971073because its old and what do you even need it for?
In light of the news that intel is shit:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r4sbbXWill I be able to 1440 144hz game?
>>70971089you mean multiple inputs or a KVM switch?some larger res monitors offer split screen/picture in picture
>>70971038Not him but stop trying to impress everyone
>>70971089https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07K2NZX8Li use this for streaming
>>70971121>KVM switchI think this is close to the solution I desire. Something that I can plug one monitor, keyboard, and mouse into and be able to control either computer and switch back and forth when desired.
>>70971097Sort of a midrange gaming filler card until I feel motivated to get something high-end again. Getting an old high performance card seems like it will be the best cost/performance perhaps at some cost in longevity. I'm just worried it'd be missing some important feature but surely a 5 year old card isn't that out of date right?
>>70970370>don't get a Gigabyte board with AMDWhy?
>>70971139I'm not recommending this one in particular, but something like this I guess.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L6WBS4L/The other guy was close, but that's just an HDMI switch. Obviously read reviews and confirm features you need.
>>70971118>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r4sbbX>Will I be able to 1440 144hz game?In a lot of games, yes.2700X generally doesn't bottleneck the 2080.Get B-die if you want to OC.>>70971073Power consumption. Just get a 570 for $20 more.>>70971147Trash memory compat and trash BIOS.
>>70971177>Trash memory compat and trash BIOS.How will this affect my gaming?
>>70971224Samsung B-die memory>>70971218More than anything.
>>70970212The fact I meant Vega 64/Raedon and not 56/64 aside, any other input?
>>70966268The iGPU on the 2400G is probably better than a gt 1030.
>>70971243>More than anythingExplain
>>70971307buy hedt goybuy nvidia goy
>>70965794>paying for WindowsSheeeeit.
>>70971331Forgot to add>when Windows is 1/3rd of your build's cost
>>70971316Overclocking CPU by 20% often only increases performance 1-5%.Every 10% memory OC gives about (over?) a 5% performance increase on average when you aren't GPU bottlenecked to begin with.>>70971307It is since the driver updates. But he has a 1030.>>70966268No. Get a used 265. Best performance:$ and cheap as shit on top of it.>>70971274Not really except that you might regret it in a month when Navi is announced.2070 OC is better value than a 2080, but they're still both awful value.
>>70971357Q3 according to Google so that's somewhere between four to seven months from now, however I'm hearing about $250 Navis outperforming the 1080 so I may wait
>>70971177Link me to some b-die ram
>>70971396>however I'm hearing about $250 Navis outperforming the 1080 so I may waitAlmost surely false. The $330 leak sounded more credible. There's a lot of conflicting leaks. Many just look like guesses.A lot comes down to whether NGG is here or not.And yes, Q3 is fall... The third quarter.Navi is going to be paper launched/announced at E3 in June. Zen2 slightly sooner at Computex and availability should shortly follow before Q3 ends.Before August 20th is the absolute latest that both should be out since they are planning to talk about the architecture then. Traditionally, AMD does that talk AFTER release.>>70971494no
>>70971357>Overclocking CPU by 20% often only increases performance 1-5%.Well shit. Can't be helped I guess. Already paid for it.
>>70965676https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cnj8D2 My current build I am working on in it's first iteration.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jf2KvnAnd this will probably be the final BuildI just need it for work (3d modeling/rendering and gaming) Any hiccups with the build so far?
My main workhorse is pic related.I want to upgrade the GPU to something a bit newer but I'm limited. The current Radeon HD 8570 only has a 50W current draw. The machine is a Dell Optiplex 3020 I got for cheap from a liquidator. However, Dell decided to go back to their old proprietary garbage and the PSU can't reasonably be upgraded. Looking for a GPU better than the current Radeon HD 8570 that runs on a paltry 50W or around there. Prefer an AMD GPU if possible.