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Apple's 30% cut of App Store revenue could be ruled illegal

>The Supreme Court, ruling 5-4, allows iPhone users to pursue their antitrust lawsuit against Apple in a case involving its signature electronic marketplace, the App Store.
>Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion, which was joined by the court’s liberal justices.
>The iPhone users argued that Apple’s 30% commission on sales through the App Store was passed along to consumers, an unfair use of monopoly power.
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doesn't steam charges 30% too?
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>>70939428
>passed on to users
i don't think it's passed on to users on steam. steam charges $60 for new games where all other stores do too generally speaking. There was a case of one game being sold for less on epic store because they take less of a cut
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>>70939428
And Google Play, but you have the option of installing non steam apps on your PC and non Play apks from Fdroid or other sources in android. With Apple they enforce a monopoly
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>>70939428
All online stores are at risk of antitrust law suits.
Anti-Monopoly laws might begin to be enforced.
That's all the big online retailers.
This will mean a change in business practices and a change in restructuring online retail.
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iToddles BTFO
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>>70939404
It shouldn't just be the 30% shit.
They should also be forced to either, or both:
- Allow third party apps in the App Store to use the kinds of undocumented APIs and background execution and job scheduling APIs that apple apps can
- Allow third party app stores / allow people to distribute .ipas without immediately getting their $100 certificate revoked.
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>>70939655
always based
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>>70939655
But this is a good thing for iToddlers.
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>>70939655
nice reading skills you have there brainlet.
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>>70939643
>>70939655
>>70939666
Triple Satan Truth
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>>70939643
>>70939655
BASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>70939643
>>70939655
BASED and fucking REDPILLED
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>>70939739
You'd think so, but they get emotional breakdowns when they get to pay apple less. An attack on Apple where they are forced to fuck them over less and improve competition in the app store is like anuddah wave(TM).
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>>70939428
You can opt to shop from Amazon, GoG or any other site on your PC. You ONLY have the option of installing shit via the App Store on an iPhone. Sure you might be able to Jailbreak if you're tech savvy but the rest of the population has to deal with the Apple monopoly over their device and the developers have to eat shit on bad commissions as well.
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>>70939404
Based drunk willing to tell the rest of the corporate scotus cocksuckers to fuck off
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>>70939404
Apple will allow netflix,spotify and other services with direct competence by pass 30% for subscriptions fees.
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>>70939428
Steam isn't the only place you're allowed to buy from on x86
The reason that it's potentially illegal is because Apple locks out competition, while this isn't an issue on other architectures.
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Imagine how Tim Apple feels
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>>70939655
based and misspilled
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>>70940151
They are already in a lawsuit with Spotify over refusing to give up their 30% tax
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>>70939428
Steam isn't the only place you can buy PC games, Play Store isn't the only way you can load APKs, etc.
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>>70939404
Good, most of us don't care since we all hate Crapple and iToddlers.
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>>70941897


>company A builds warehouse
>companies B C and E agree to pay a fee to house product, and sell it to customer
>companies B C and E can sell their product to other markets as well, use other warehouses as they see fit with no penalty
>company A has a secure set of tools it developed for itself, allows other companies to use said tools if they license it, otherwise they can use their own
>company A agrees to drop the price by 50% after a year to all companies
>company E, after years of benefiting decides they dont want to pay the fee, lobbies government to force company A to take the fees away
>"hurr everyone support spotify theyre the good guys"
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WTF i love kavanaugh now?
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>>70939790
>>70939739
>be itoodler
>have to go all the way to SCOTUS to even have a chance of not being cucked by tim apple
>literally every other device on the market doesn't have this problem
>implying itoddlers aren't eternally btfo
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I mean, this is good news, but it's only step 1 of like 30 to ending the walled garden. This was just a ruling based on one narrow defense Apple raised (out of about 14 defense). It took a few years to get here, and now it goes back down to the lower courts for the other defenses to play out. It will be a few more years (and possible more supreme court trips) before this is resolved.
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>>70939428
The problem isn't the price, the problem is that iPhone only supports (offically away), installing apps from Apple's store. By Apple's own design the only way to get app's on iPhone is to go through the Apple controlled store. Apple has given themselves a monopoly on the ability to distribute apps. Steam isn't a monopoly because on any Windows/Mac/Linux computer you can install whatever software you want on it, likewise you can install whatever software you want on an Android phone, including different app stores so Google Play is not a monopoly there.
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>>70939655
based
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>>70939655
based
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>>70943008
we always loved him you worthless soi cuck
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>>70939404
>>70939428
steam is different because they don't control an OS where they make you purchase everything through steam, and people can try to compete with them like the ebyn games store
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>>70943224
>but it's only step 1
yeah, but that's how the shit unravelled for microsoft. with one small victory, and then, years later, they were toppled.
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>>70939404
As much as I hate Apple, I can't even right now. Why is the government telling Apple their 30% share has to go?
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>>70939404
>monopoly power
what? Apple is a shit company with a lot of market share but it is in no way a monopoly.
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>>70945422
>we
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>>70939567
>>70939925
>>70940913
>>70942046
>>70943281
>>70945197
Couldn't this be applied to Sony (PSN) and Nintendo (eShop)? If Apple loses, will electronics manufacturers be forced to open up their platforms to running unsigned code, like all the companies mentioned that already do?
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>>70945580
Yes, plus Xbox and Windows S or whatever it's called now.
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>>70945580
It's gard to see that happening. Maybe sales cuts will be negotiable somehow.
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>>70945512
They control the ONE source of applications on the platform. When you own the marketplace and the product antitrust runs after you.
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>>70945504
>>70945512
>Why is the government telling Apple their 30% share has to go?
that's not what happened. all the supreme court did was say to say that apple could be sued by their customers. apple was trying to say that they never sell any apps to consumers, that the consumers buy the apps from the developers, but the supreme court said "no, everyone knows that you're the ones that the buyers are paying."
apple had hoped that they could get the case thrown out, but the supreme court basically said, no, the buyers can sue you, apple.
the supreme court made no decision about whether apple is a monopoly or not, or whether they can charge 30%. they just said that it's a valid lawsuit and that it can move forward.
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>Insulin price gouging is just fine
>Allowing the sale of addictive carcinogens is adult choice
>Affordable education is socialism
>Apple’s app store cut is too high
I guess we know who’s been sucking hind tit on RNC donations
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>>70939428
You can install games from other places on computer. iToddlers cannot install apps from elsewhere without jailbreaking their phone.
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>>70943008
>now
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>>70945580
I fucking hope so.
>this is the best day of my life
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>>70939404
Fucking amazing. Kavanaugh has proven to be the populist we needed. And to think anyone on the left tried to oppose this guy from being confirmed.
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Apple owns iPhone.
only allowed app store is Apple's.

Sony owns Playstation
only allowed app store is Sony's.

Nintendo owns Switch
only allowed app store is Nintendo's

...

They make the platform then force app store monopoly. Platform creator should not have a monopoly on how it is used.

android has anti-trust issues google is hampering competition and favoring itself.
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>>70946047
One is an entertainment platform, one is directly tied into your daily life and mandatory for business.
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>>70946047
>download fdroid on any android
>press install
>it installs
>monopoly
off yourself retard
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>>70939428
>>70945580
>>70942121
>>70945504
>>70945512
>>70945644
guys, this is not a deep-throating competition.
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>>70946066
I didnt say android had no app store options. Im saying google is making android design choices so it kills or hampers competition in favor of it's own self interest.
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>>70939404
Apple should pay tripple penalties back to the users, so 90% fine.
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>>70939404
>Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion, which was joined by the court’s liberal justices.
Isn't that the guy who lied under oath? How does one become a justice after that?

Ameritards, I swear.
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if you don’t like the walled garden system then buy a device with more freedom like android. Isn’t that how capitalism is supposed to work, vote with your wallet?
Having the governments over regulate just leads to the governments having more control and citizens having less freedoms.
The only time I see the government stepping is as good is when their is no choice e.g. America’s ISP monopolies.
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>>70946529
>Isn't that the guy who lied under oath?
lol what? Are you fucking retarded?
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>>70946547
Lets say we have 50 manufacturers.
They all offer bad service and own the land, knowledge and factories. Now will they ever truly think of the consumer and environment? No. They will compete against each other but will never make something that would cannibalise or ruin their ecosystem/power.

>>70946610
what is boofing?
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>>70939925
You literally get steam keys on those sites
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>>70945541
This site has always been right wing leaning. Deal with it, cuckboy.
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>>70946685
that's not relevant, there's a base licensing fee for steam to host on its infrastructure that the publisher has to pay, and then the keys can be sold elsewhere with no steam percentage cuts involved (though the key sellers are going to be taking cuts)
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>>70946678
Oh ok, you're retarded.
>hurr I know the exact meaning of a slang word 30 some years ago
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>>70946708
For all practical purposes steam is a monopoly. Just in terms of having to use it. Aside from entirely DRM free games youre either forced to use steam or a publishers launcher

I hope epic grows and becomes an actual competitor. I hate being stuck with steam for everything
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>>70939404
OH PLEASE!
This would be so fucking good.
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>>70946708
It is, because publishers have other options besides selling on Steam, even if they do sell on Steam they can sell keys outside of Steam (of which Valve doesn't take a cut), and consumers can buy games on Steam, off Steam but for Steam, and not on Steam at all. It's a completely different scenario from Apple.
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>>70946728
>steam is a monopoly
Monopolies are perfectly legal for this exact reason.
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>>70946678
the consumer has the choice between 50 manufacturers of the product. If the consumer doesn’t like the product/service provided by any of them they choose another until they are happy. The rejected ones have to improve something to gain back customers or they die.
With that much competition it would be detrimental to piss off your customers.
Also capitalism is supposed to allow the set up new competing companies to fill gaps in products/services.
If we talking patents that’s a whole new system of regulation.
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>>70946547
>>70946811
i want to fug lazy gabu
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>>70946685
>You literally get steam keys on those sites
>gog
Are you retarded?

>>70946728
>For all practical purposes steam is a monopoly
No it isn't, you fucking idiot.
>hope epic grows
Kys. Epic should die in a fire.
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>>70946863
Gog is a rare exception I read it thinking green man gaming

Also the fact that youre this defensive over steam and its fucking massive place in the market tells me youre a god damn muh gaben meme dickrider from r*ddit. Please go back there you corporate dick sucking cuckold.
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>>70946863
>MOMMY HE INSULT STEAM MOMMY WAHH

based fucking retard
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>>70946878
>hurr durr why are you defensive about steam
They managed to singlehandedly make Linux gaming a thing and greatly improve WINE while Epic is trying to destroy that in any way they can.
Epic is a fucking cancer worse than steam. I'd rather have the better option succeed instead of getting a much worse and anti-competitive, Chinese owned company getting any relevant dominance in the market.
>r*ddit. Please go back
It's okay, you fit in.

>>70946898
>0 arguments
Kill yourself, autist.
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>>70946911
So your beloved corporation valve can do no wrong and competition bad because muh Linux.

Corporate dicksuckers like you deserve the fucking rope.
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>>70946911
Steam is literally the original first permanent botnet phones-home-every-minute DRM cancer that spawned all other DRM cancers.
Kill yourself.
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>>70947000
Did you faggots forget about securom or whatever Sony's DRM was? They literally required you to be always online or your game would close.
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>>70947000
>the original DRM

No, drms existed long before steam, such as Starforce and worse
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>>70947035
Did you cocksuckers forget about how Securom and Sony's DRM became a thing because they saw how valvedrones bent over and took it up the ass?
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>>70947050
They are steam precursors.
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>>70947050
>implying implications
Anti-piracy measures have been a thing since personal computers are a thing. The PSX had anti-piracy measures in place, but they were hilariously ineffective. One of the reasons Nintendo went with cartridges for the N64 was precisely because it was harder to copy a cartridge than a CD.
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>>70946811
Price gouged insulin.
Much cheaper coca cola than water.
All options have planned obsolescence or are have monopoly element baked in.
Printers have ink and repair monopoly. Give me one printer manufacturer who makes long lasting repairable printers and has allowed competitors to make ink, parts and repair. Has competition on this submarkets. This is the future of all consumer electronics.

Competitors get bought because they are not ripping off consumers and making money to compete against abusers. Comes a point when alternatives no longer pop up because all knowledge is centered. Oligopolies wont be broken down. All product options are bad and no choice but to buy bad. Oligopolies wont offer the better product option. How is this not a failure?

Market wont change their product if it makes more money not to. Untapped market is not filled. Ex. see above text about a printer.

Gatekeepers exist that favors those who can pay. No viable product can be made if the product doesnt make enough to pay for the gatekeeper or gatekeeper sees that it would harm those who pay the gatekeeper.

"You have a choice!"
You imply consumers have power when they dont. No awarness of abuse. No awarness of possible alternatives that could be made.
If someone defends with "But they can riot." They are delusional. Money buys power to keep peasants in check. Peasants betray each other for money. Arms will be provided by the powerful.

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>>70946826
gabu to cute
>>70947318
I do agree that companies will fuck over consumers, but so will governments with “this is to protect you, think of the children” at the start the start overreaching with the laws and regulations that were made to protect you.
I don’t have a solution I just don’t like either option because it’s rare the consumer/citizen actually wins.
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>>70945644
Hey look, this guy thinks free market operations and trademark are even remotely comparable. What a weirdo.
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>>70946047
>>70946547
choosing the lesser evil invariably paves the way for the greater evil.
stop pitting it as false dillema of corprorations vs corporations, or even corporations vs government.
choose a different option.
choose freedom.
decentralize everything --- make it impossible for any of them to hurt you.
>>70947826
he only goes full retard with the "addictive carcinogen" bit.
there is no moral imperative to prohibit willing idiots from engaging in self destructive behavior. heroin doesnt inject iself, nor does nicotine spontaneously fly into your lungs.
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>>70948017
There is an argument to be made about marketing addictive substances to impressionable young people. Also, it's irrelevant if it's your personal choice to smoke or not, the carciogen smoke also affects everyone unfortunate enough to be near you.
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>>70939404
So the conservative judges are shills who hate a real free market
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>>70939404
Clearly didn’t read the fucking article.
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>>70948113
tb.h i hate smokers and i belive in genociding them a la sekai seifuku buryaku no zvezda, but so long as they only smoke in their own stinking homes and cars, its no skin off my back what they do in private.
>>70948126
>Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion, which was joined by the court’s liberal justices.
>which was joined by the court’s liberal justices.
>liberal
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>>70948126
Yea, free market isn't something anyone wants. We want well regulated militia.
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>>70948113
I think we have moved far past stopping cigarette companies from marketing to children. Forcing companies to pay for advertisements against their products is just trying to waste money.

And no second hand smoke is a myth. All the tests done on it have absurd qualifiers (like being less than 2 feet away) and if you're in a big city, car exhaust is killing way way faster.
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>>70939404
>kavanaugh didn't fuck up
Thank Jesus. Having this many conservatards on the court makes me nervous as fuck.
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>>70948126
Not really it has more to do with the interpretation of an old case that sets the standard for handling this type of monopoly. Both the affirmation and the dissent make reference to it and interpret it differently.

Being a liberal/conservative judge may have played a roll in the decision but a larger issue is that no one on the court is under 50 and they can't/ won't understand technology.
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>>70948292
>conservatards

Please kill yourself you mottled brown mutt cuck.
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>>70946690
Election tourist detected. This shithole used to be much more reasonable. It wasn't liberal, but it wasn't conservative like it is now either. It was just anti-establishment and edgy. Newfags like you who jumped in in the last several years don't know this shit. Kill yourself.
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>>70948332
Ive been here since 2007 this site has always been liberal leaning in many boards outside of political ones when they existed (in the real sense of liberal) and racist. /new/ was way way way more right leaning than nu/pol/ is too yet newfags whine when someone says something about niggers or jews now.
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>>70948324
Whiter than you Cletus. The conservative justices are reliably wrong on almost every fucking issue (see: this one). Enjoy having your 1st and 4th amendment rights further stripped by right wingers. At least you get the 2nd, right?
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>>70948362
Not him but what boards were liberal?
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>>70948363
>dude I'm so white I support the demographic replacement and destruction of my people

I dont care if you dont like cuckvanaugh retard I care about your ignorant use of conservatard.

>that snide psuedo reddit shit hit at the 2nd amendment

lmao of course you dont think people should have actual liberty or any kind of ability for self reliance. Pathetic fuck.

>>70948375
/b/, like I said liberal in the real sense of the word. I mainly browsed /b/ as well. I'm still liberal to a degree.
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And don't get it... Apple certainly has a cost to maintain their servers, update their system etc, that's why they charge 30%, just like Google. If Apple makes the developer pay for their costs, the end user will end up paying the same.

Fuck liberals, fuck jews and fuck the "supreme" court.
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Good

Even worse was their bs subscription shit

Can't have a link to take someone to sub outside of the app/web so you're forced inapp sub but then apple takes 30% of that too....

so apple provides nothing for the subscription but takes 30%
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>>70948400
>liberal in the real sense of the word
What does that mean? Are you doing the whole "classical liberal" thing?
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>>70948421
So you'd be fine with a 30% Credit card surcharge right?

Banks have to maintain major international links and servers, security

oh gotta update their systems etc too

Apple would be paying <0.5% on CC shit
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>>70948429
Yes. Because thats what the word has always meant sans recently. You can use libertarian if you prefer but I dont think it fits as well, and if I am pushed to identify myself I won't use it, I will say national liberal.
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>>70939666
Tripfag is right
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>>70948421

Android/Google let you use other app stores or install Apps not in their app store, unlike iOS.
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>>70948421
Apple already charges devs $100/year just because lol

Netflix used to lose 30% of a sub monthly just for no reason, netflix hosts everything except the app. Which they probably would do too if others could install from the site
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>>70948421
or they could allow sideloading apps.
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>can't use NFC
>governments and companies have to grobble at apple to let them use it for a fucking bus or train pass

>government in Australia just did it for Android,
>iphone users complaining
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>>70948400
>I support the demographic replacement and destruction of my people
>loving identity politics so much you cry about "demographic replacement"

>>that snide psuedo reddit shit hit at the 2nd amendment
It wasn't even a hit at the 2nd amendment retard. It was a hit against conservatives who yell about their love for the constitution and then strip away every right except the 2nd.
>of course you dont think people should have actual liberty
That's literally all I care about. It's why I hate conservative justices, as the consistently vote to fuck over the 1st, 4th, 8th, etc amendments. The only one they fucking care about is the 2nd.
>or any kind of ability for self reliance
I believe in that, I just don't want criminals or psychos to have guns.
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>>70948446
This guy gets it. Fuck american politics.
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>>70948332
it is not "conservative" now either.
being pro-freedom like stallman is not left or right, but sufficiently outside the mono-ideological establishment mainstream, that it gets labeled "right" and beset by divide and conquer shills.

>>70948363
>see:this one
>>70948292
>kavanaugh didn't "fuck up"

do you enjoy contradicting yourself with every post?
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>>70948484
Meanwhile left judges vote to destroy the second and give people blanket amnesty, replacement etc yet you dont call them leftards. Dont pretend like this is one sided.

I'm not defending the scotus, none of them.
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>>70948456
>Apple already charges devs $100/year just because lol
Dude, they provide a lot of useful tools that even Google doesn't. See iCloud Drive, it's basically a free scalable backend.
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Apple doesn't even follow their own rules


>Just tap that “Try it Free” button, confirm your payment, and you’re off to the races. Thing is, Apple forbids developers from making things seem quite this simple

>Apple protects users from recurring fees by requiring developers to make those numbers so large on the screen that it’s painfully obvious what you’re getting into, how often you’ll pay, and how to cancel if you decide you’re not interested anymore.
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>>70948424
>Can't have a link to take someone to sub outside of the app/web so you're forced inapp sub but then apple takes 30% of that too....
except you can... just handle your subscriptions on your own backend...

There are tons of apps that do that
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>>70948484
To be fair, save for Clarence Thomas of all people, they also care about interpreting the establishment clause to retardedly broad degrees. See how since a few years ago, you can now change your religion between the interview and the first day at work and even if your accommodations make you unhireable, your employer cannot fire you.
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>>70948446
Just call yourself a libertarian, jack off. Why would you intentionally confuse people? Liberal means and always has meant "supporting reform of and progress from the current system." What that means exactly will of course change over time. Right now it's the left. Basically all the right does is wax poetic about the good old days.
>>70948492
What politics do you prefer? Every other developed country is WAY to the left of America. Liberals in America are center right in other countries.
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>>70948527
I'm not a libertarian, I have yet to meet a libertarian who understood some functions of government that are necessary, have yet to meet one that understand in group preference, race etc.

I dont see why I'd call myself that. National liberal fits better. I also generally tend towards practical over pure ideological which libertarians dont usually do either.
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>>70948522
Nope against developer guidelines

>If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase.

Netflix removed signup a while ago too, avoid the 30% but also to avoid breaking rules

>When opening up the Netflix app on an iOS device, there are no longer fields for signing up for a Netflix account within the app nor are there instructions on how to obtain a subscription, likely to avoid violating Apple's App Store rules.
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>>70948514
You don't get icloud with the sub though

It's $100 just because

And you need a mac
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>>70948512
>left judges vote to destroy the second
Yeah, destroy the second by stopping criminals from getting guns. Oh no! Any serious threats to the 2nd (i.e. straight up banning guns) very rarely pops up, but when it does it's slapped down by judges left and right immediately. No other amendment is considered as off limits as the 2nd, every other one can have certain reasonable restrictions.
>give people blanket amnesty
What constitutional right does this impact? If anything conservatives are anti-constitution on immigration, they're the ones mad about birthright citizenship.
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>>70948558
>You don't get icloud with the sub though
yes you do
>And you need a mac
what is hackintosh?
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>>70948494
>do you enjoy contradicting yourself with every post
This is the lamest gotcha I've ever seen, I was legitimately baffled. I'll spell it out: the majority of the SCOTUS conservatives fucked up. Kavanaugh went against the grain and didn't fuck up. I was grateful and surprised by this, and pointed out how all but one of the conservatives fucked up. Where's the contradiction?
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>>70948584
you don't get anything included

Like saying you get free AWS

You don't get free bandwidth or storage

Also get amazing GameKit!
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>>70948572
I'm glad you exposed yourself as actually being a typical psuedo reddit sperg. You had me questioning for a second if you actually weren't but thanks for removing all doubt you stupid fucking nigger.

I hope a wild pack of niggers rapes you and you desperately blow onto your rape whistle you faggot cuckold.

Gun control is blatantly anti constitution and you pass it off and believe the "hurr muh criminals" argument. I fucking hate weasels like you.

Dont ever quote the constitution or founders again acting like you are fighting the good fight. They wouldve fucking hated your pathetic self hating faggot ass.
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>>70947000
Most games on steam aren't even behind a DRM, you absolute fucking retard. It's up to the game devs to MANUALLY add DRM.
Don't buy or play garbage and you'll be fine.
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>>70948572
>muh based immigrants
>stop criminals from getting guns!

This is the most r*ddit post I have ever seen.
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>>70948484
i believe criminals and "psychos" (real intolerant of you) are precisely the people who should own guns.
im a radical egalitarian, and there is nothing that levels the playing field more than access to cheap, effective weapons.
when police brutality is at its peak, and when people with metal illnesses are ten times more likely to either hurt themselves, or be abused by others, than to hurt others — you want to disarm them?
when life is so intolerable, they would prefer to end their own lives, you wish to prolong their misery?
>>70948527
that is "progressivism" / "whig" politics.
fuck off, fake liberal.
>>70948543
i fundamentally believe that all nation states are illegitimate.
i beleive in something like a post-revolutionary state of "anarchy" with property rights - including the collective ownership of land, and using fences (and violence if necessary) to keep out squatters.
>>70948572
shall not be infringed
>>70948595
kav was always a centrist liberal, not a conservative.
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>>70948608
steam IS the DRM you buffoon
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>>70942121
>Company A start to sell same product as E
>Company A gives special ads to own product
>Company A allow assistants services for other companies except E company or companies sells same products as Company A
>Company A build special parking for clients own products
>Company A give special promotions for own products
>Company E need pay special fees meanwhile Company A offer same product
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>>70948659
See I diverge with you there a lot. I believe in traditional nations and the importance of racial segregation and group identities. I really do like the intended foundation of america but dislike what its become.

I still think national liberal is probably the most accurate way I can describe myself. I would like to see all gun control removed, there is no reason to think it would have some massive effect if gone, until the 60s one could order guns to their doorsteps. In this country the guns aren't the crime issue its blacks, and to a lesser degree, Hispanics.
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>>70948601
> iCloud Drive
sorry, I meant CloudKit
>You don't get free bandwidth or storage
see pic related
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>>70948607
Sweaty, everybody knows the founders were racists and literal slave owners. I've never seen anybody argue against that.
>rape whistle
I carry a gun, buddy, since I'm not a criminal. Thanks for the concern, though.
>Gun control is blatantly anti constitution
Retarded statement (as expected). It depends on the specific policy. If you believe any and all restrictions on an amendment are unconstitutional, you must also believe that slander/libel laws and laws against direct threats of violence are a violation of the 1st amendment. Do you?
>Dont ever quote the constitution or founders again
I will continue to, thanks for the suggestion though.
>They wouldve fucking hated your pathetic self hating faggot ass
They would've hated everything about our modern society, that's not an argument. They were primitives.
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>charge 30% to spotify for in app sub
>only way to sub within app following apple's rules is via apple
>apple music competing
>no 30% cut
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>>70948678
>200k users
>40 requests per second max
>2.5mb storage per user


>$100 per 10 requests if you go over
>Database storage $3.00/GB

KEK
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>>70948685
>sweaty

Youre actually going all the way with your reddit posting

>I carry a gun

Well how hypocritical of you. Gun control is blatantly anti constitution, it says in plain English, and people like you constantly ignore the real cause of crime in thus country because you are brainwashed worthless little pissants.

>they were primitives and stupid durr so I'm going to pretend like I understand the constitution, their intentions, and the writings.
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>>70948709
> 200K users
> averaging more than 40 request/second every month
anon... stop raping your backend
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>>70948659
>i believe criminals and "psychos" (real intolerant of you)
Most snowflake shit I've read today, so I'm assuming it's ironic.
>when police brutality is at its peak
This is a reason to fix the police, not give criminals guns. I assure you, having a gun will not protect you from the pigs, even if you use it justifiably you'll just get killed.
>people with metal illnesses are ten times more likely to either hurt themselves, or be abused by others, than to hurt others
Giving them a gun increases their chance of hurting others or themselves more than it decreases their chance of being hurt. Of course, when I say psychos I mean people whose mental illness would predispose them to violence, accidental or otherwise.
>when life is so intolerable, they would prefer to end their own lives, you wish to prolong their misery
Most people who attempt suicide and fail report that they're glad they failed, so this argument has no basis. If a person really wants to die they will eventually, but most of them come around to the idea of living. Giving them a gun makes it very unlikely they'll get that second chance.
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>>70948685
>slander/libel laws and laws against direct threats of violence are a violation of the 1st amendment. Do you?

ive been over this many times before. threats are inherently not credible, because the mere act of making a threat indicates your own reluctance (or oitright inability) of making it true.
moreover the use of "threats" is a common part of ordinary rhetorical speech, so the enforcement of the laws becaomes an act of mind-reading, and assuming bad intent out of innocent interactions.

for the same robust constitutional reasons, "privacy" should be understood an explicit part of the fourth amendment, instead of a fanatastical "penumbra" that judges are free to ignore.
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>>70939428
>can't download except App Store
>no microSD
>no headphone jack

Are Apple users the most cucked consumer fanboys?
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>>70948711
>doesn't even respond to half the arguments
Answer the 1st amendment one faggot. Or did it BTFO you too thoroughly?
>>70948760
>threats are inherently not credible, because the mere act of making a threat indicates your own reluctance (or oitright inability) of making it true
Kek, this is ridiculous. But I'll humor you. What about restrictions on direct incitement to violence? Is that a 1st amendment violation?
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>Apple argued that the same logic applies to its App Store. In Apple's view, customers buy apps from developers, who in turn pay Apple a 30 percent commission for distribution services. So if Apple is overcharging for app distribution, only distributors, not customers, have the right to sue

>say devs are the ones who have to sue
>put arbitration clause in dev license
>revoke license if they sue
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>>70948787
Oh no I didnt address your little tacked on argument at the end that literally every single retard makes to defend censorship and has been rebutted and done over a hundred times! Truly I have been btfo. You punish actions not speech, the other anon already addressed your stupid point if you want to go down the hole of this tired bullshit again do it with him, this is akin to some idiot using the muh fire in the theater ignoring that the theater can just ban someone who does that.

You people cannot even fathom a solution not involving your precious central authority. Absolutely fucking pathetic, and you want to talk about ignoring points? Look how much of what I posted you ignored.

You also spend your entire life ignoring the actual cause of crime and come here to virtue signal and pretend like guns cause crime. Youre fucking deluded.
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>>70948788
>Apple put clause can ripoff apps and put it in own system, developer can't speak agains Apple

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-21-the-vagina-that-scared-apple

Tim Cook hate vaginas
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thank god for the supreme court

apple about to get BTFO in EU too

>Apple to be formally investigated over Spotify’s antitrust complaint, says report
>Spotify CEO Daniel Ek is particularly concerned with the “Apple tax,” whereby Apple takes a 30-percent cut on every Spotify subscription signed up via the App Store during the first year, and then 15 percent each year thereafter.
>Ek also accused Apple of blocking Spotify from implementing “experience-enhancing upgrades” related to Siri, HomePod, and Apple Watch to the advantage of Apple Music.

>If Apple is found to have acted unlawfully, the EU could fine the company up to 10 percent of its global revenue. Google’s EU antitrust bill now stands at €8.2 billion ($9.3 billion), for example.
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>>70948787
"incitement" does not have to be defended. it is already protected speech under us laws and court precedent.
you are clearly either a moron or a commonwealth/european mistakenly trying to project his countrys orwellian laws onto the US.
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>>70939404
Apple are huge jews, but they are nowhere near a monopoly, what the fuck.
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>>70948870
I think the argument is that the app store is monopolistic for people who own an iPhone.

Doesnt make a lot of sense to me though
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>>70948886
sure, being paid in coupons you can only use to buy things at the company store isnt a problem either, nobody forced them to worlk for the railroads, right?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store
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>>70948870
>Go to store to buy item
>Credit card takes 30% from merchant
>merchant inflates price to counter
>use merchants CC no fee
>it's the only shop you can buy from

No monopoly on the merchants cc or stores so what's the issue hey?
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>>70948672
Steam is a store. That's like saying GOG is DRM. It's not, don't be an idiot.
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>>70948941
I mean you could just, ya know, not buy a fucking iPhone.
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>>70948948
Game is tied to steam
Game launches steam on startup
You don't own the game it's licenced to your steam account

Look up what the acronym stands for and tell me steam isn't that. DRM doesn't have to be full on 500 checks and internet 24/7
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>>70948964
>it's okay to abuse power with hundreds of millions of iphones sold because you don't have to buy it

>president kills 20 million
>just don't vote lol
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>>70948980
How is that an accurate comparison? Smartphones supply a certain set of functions and there are alternatives to the iPhone that do the same functions. The app store only applies to people with the iPhone not other smartphones.

I dont care honestly because Apple uses government and sucks adl cock to get their way, but I gotta say I dont get this at all. But if it fucks apple over whatever I'm okay with it.

Dont strawman that stupidly like with your last two greentexts, I hope youre better than that.
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>>70949013
>The app store only applies to people with the iPhone not other smartphones.
Which is what the lawsuit is about you fucking idiot

it's iphone users suing apple. lots of apps increase sub prices just on itunes subs because the developer isn't going to cop 30% loss.
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>>70948941
>Not posting the superior Merle Travis
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>>70949034
So this only applies because you can't sideload on iphones then? It doesnt apply to android because of the existence of fdroid and the like? Even though functionally both are almost the same since the official store has all the backing.

No need to insult me retard. I already said apple getting fucked is fine with me even if I dont get it.
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>>70948974
https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
https://github.com/atom0s/Steamless

>tell me steam isn't that.
Steam isn't that. There's a difference between steam store and steam launcher. The store is "DRM" by definition because every store is. The launcher isn't DRM, it just allows DRM. Most games can be launched without steam client or at the very least patched using steamless so that they don't need the client. There's a difference between the game's executable (which doesn't launch steam unless specifically designed to do so) and a shortcut or a script which launches the game while booting up steam first. You don't need to launch games using the steam launcher script.

>You don't own the game it's licenced to your steam account
You own it if you copy it. The license is just to download, same as GOG, unless the game dev chooses otherwise.
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>>70948332
I've been here since when cockmongler was the latest meme, smoothbrain. This site has always been right leaning if you din't let the dubya mocking fool you. Not that I expect anything but historical revisionism from you leftards.
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>>70949266
>spent almost an hour and still didn't look up the DRM acronym
>lists some DRM free games

Steam is the rights manager
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I unironically don’t think this is good.
One of the benefits of iOS is that apple assesses apps and sees if they’re safe; I really don’t want the App Store to become google play.

I think the monopoly argument is crazy since they’re not even a majority of market share and nobody is forcing you to buy an iPhone.
Get an android if you don’t like it.
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>>70949338
>One of the benefits of iOS is that apple assesses apps and sees if they’re safe; I really don’t want the App Store to become google play.

Google does the same thing and has control over it. The difference is you can install apps from anywhere onto your phone and there are various app stores, F-droid, amazon etc

Apple has pretty much 50% share in the US, where the case is taking place

>Get an android if you don’t like it.

And if google removes sideloading or forces it on OEMS?
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>>70949283
I know what DRM means. It seems to me that you have a false idea of how steam works.
>Steam is the rights manager
Like literally every other fucking paid software center. Congratulations on making a pointless comment. You have all the rights on all your already downloaded steam games that aren't cucked by DRM and even if Steam says otherwise in their terms of use they have absolutely no way of forcing you to delete your backed up games or proving that you have made backups. So you can play whatever the fuck you want whenever the fuck you want even if your Steam account is deleted and you don't have steam installed. AGAIN, assuming that the DEVELOPERS didn't put DRM which stops you from launching the game outside of steam, like most multiplayer games do.
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>>70939404
im retarded what is antitrust? sounds like an antijew law, havent the jews been pursued enough by the goyim?
Why cant they trear consumers like garbage? I mean they are dumb enough to buy their products in the first place.
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>>70949399
>antijew law
more like jewtrust, it's just government jews fucking with monopoly jews
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>>70949338
There's literally no difference between the app store and google play. The difference is that the android os allows you to install apps from other sources.
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>>70949409
whhhhhat??? i thought the jews were one people, that every single jew experienced the holocaust even before they were born, how can they fighr each other in light of this information which is illegal to dispute?
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>>70945580
You might as well not bother with Nintendo.
Their security is so shit you can get unsigned code running with just a paperclip and a USB cable.
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>>70949357
It feels like every week I see a new news story about how there’s malware found on the google play store.
I used to have an android and I enjoyed it and I did make a lot of use of sideloading, but when it was time to get a new phone I got an XS Max.
Part of this was because I didn’t want to worry about any of this stuff and just wanted a phone that worked what I was using it for.

I doubt that google would ever remove sideloading or leave it to OEMs though some of their recent stuff makes me think they would.
I just don’t want to have to use ten different app stores made to get around the 30% fee to download all my apps and I feel that convenience is a big selling point of iOS.
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>>70949450
>malware
you mean jeware
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>>70949450
>14 iPhone apps have been talking to a known malware server
>Apple removes VoIP app clones from the App Store
>Apple Removes Malicious Fitness Apps That Tricked Users To Make Touch ID Payments\
>Apple removes a top paid utility app that stole data and sent it back to China
>Apple has removed or restricted at least 11 of the 17 most downloaded screen-time and parental-control apps
>The apps utilized MDM (Mobile Device Management) in order to track every user action on their iPhone, a technology that was intended to be used purely for companies wishing to install their own software on employee devices in order to monitor their usage.

Oh but Apple checks every app and monitors them right!?
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>>70949430
jews are famous for backstabing
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>>70945923
if im not gonna use apple services on iphone why the fuck would anybody buy apple products then? when you have so much and cheaper offers?
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>>70946690
Fuck off, retard.
Even if the userbase leans in one way or another there is still a substantial amount of people included in 'we' that does not agree with you.
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>>70948675
so? let spotify build their own mobile phones, operating system, app store and then they can decide on the fees.
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>>70949583
Congrats, you just discovered why anti-competitive practices are outlawed.
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>>70949450
>XS Max
If you just want a fucking dumbphone why are you paying 1000$ for it when 20$ options exist?
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>>70949649
you mean the idiots that willingly puschase, install, use, and shill proprietary shitware?
their opinions have never mattered.
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>>70939655
bass
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>>70948332
4chan has always been politically libertarian/conservative and socially middle/liberal.
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>>70939404
I'm confused, it's their device. If you dislike go use another device. How is it monopoly?
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>>70939404
Does this mean that we can expect third party app stores in the future? Does this mean an end to the walled garden?
>>70939428
Steam doesn't have exclusivity rights for distribution of software on an entire platform though.
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>>70939655

cringe
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>>70939655
Based
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Good start. But Apple executives and even higher level employees should be shipped to CIA blacksites and interrogated and charged with treason / espionage. While Trump watches. That's just the beginning
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>>70946690
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>>70953078
seething
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>>70951687
It's a monopoly on developers. Android is free, that's why it has majority marketshare, but also since it's free, developers don't make as much money on the platform since people can do whatever they want, including easily pirate everything. Meanwhile on cuckOS you have to pay $3 for ringtones, and applel takes a 30% cut.
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>>70953162
Based newfag.
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Wow, your all fucking stupid
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>>70953367
My all what?
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>>70953367
>your
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>>70948809
>this is akin to some idiot using the muh fire in the theater ignoring that the theater can just ban someone who does that
>You people cannot even fathom a solution not involving your precious central authority
You're okay with private companies punishing speech? Do you realize the implications of this? This is why we have social media companies banning people left and right.
>Look how much of what I posted you ignored
I checked, I don't see any argument I ignored. I ignored a couple insults.
>You also spend your entire life ignoring the actual cause of crime
And what makes you think that? I also advocate for mental health treatment and decreasing poverty, both of which would greatly reduce crime.
>>70948845
Have you tried actually reading the court opinions? Or at least wikipedia? Immediate incitement to violence is not protected. The imminent lawless action standard.
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>>70953367

>your
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>>70953395
>>70953494
>>70953605
newfags pls kys you'reselves
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Just think if google launched googlel play on iOS with every iOS program for cheaper xD
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>>70953672
itoddlers BTFO
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>tfw iFags are the ones seething about this the most because paying for overpriced shit is actually their end goal
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>>70954030
This imagine makes no sense since even the rich and powerful (like the richest and most powerful man on earth) are itoddlers
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>>70939655
based
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>>70954030

>implying the upper class use chinkshit lagdroids

kek
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>>70954051
The difference is, they don't see it as anything special. Only niggers and third worlders think being an itoddler is something to be proud/brag about.
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>>70954107

cope
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>>70954125
Based Jamal.
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>being so stupid you think this ruling is bad

top fucking kek

I'm sure if windows forced windows S on everyone then took a 30% cut of every app or sub you did on your pc you would care
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>>70954093
The richest man in the history of earth uses a Thinkpad and a Galaxy.
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huh? Isn't the supreme court hardcore right wing now? How did they not favor the corporation?
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>>70945580
>Signed by anyone other than device manufacturer synonymous with unsigned
Retard
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>>70946728
Good old Games continues to grow, and literally anyone who can afford to maintain a webpage can sell their game or those of other willing developers with 0 transaction fees. You're just regurgitating the shit Tim Sweeney shits on Twitter, willfully ignoring new projects like Itch.io and old ones like gog.com to make it appear as though steam no contemporaries or competition. Even in Linux, Valve's Proton compatibility project is an open source fork of Wine and fully capable of providing support for ANY game exe, REGARDLESS of whether you bought it from valve, regardless of whether or not you want to install steam.
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>>70956511
A boomer is a boomer is a boomer no matter what income level.
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>>70939512
it is - Steam has a price match clause (just like many stores do) so you cant even sell in another place for cheaper, you could argue its a cartel agreement (but Im not a lawyer)
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>>70957910
>I like having one corporation have total control over all meaningful new PC releases
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>>70946040
the so-called "left" are entirety anti-common people corporate elites and their brainwashed npcs
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>>70958175
This
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>>70956511
based bill
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>>70948332
It's like you weren't here for the Z trials or something, fucking newfag
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>>70958175
>Left are corporate elites, that's why every right wing government since Raegan has resulted in tax breaks for the rich and lowered returns for everyone else
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>>70959032
>the companies donating to the left and pushing regulation are actually just hurting themselves on purpose ! You small brain hick!

Actually retarded. You do realize big government in bed with companies helps them with regulation right?
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>>70948675
1. spotify pays the same fees as everyone else
2. spotify refuses help from Apple for siri/watch feeatures
3. apple can't take a cut of their own income from apple music but they are regardless putting revenue towards supporting the app store in the same way spotify's cut does
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>>70959032
stop falling for the neocons political games - neither of the parties represent peoples interests
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Consumers own the device they should not be confined by Apple. If they want apps not from apple they should have a way.

Forced to pay Apple's +30% tax. Most not aware of the tax. Like buying a car and then every repair shop is forced to pay 30% to their overlords. It is not fair competition if overlord is also in the business of repairing. Their 30% is profit not cost.
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>>70959538
>Consumers own the device

Didn't Apples previous jail breaking case (that they won) basically state this isn't the case and that they've just bought a license to indefinitely use it
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>>70957079
>huh? Isn't the supreme court hardcore right wing now?

The decision was 4 liberals and 1 right wing.
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>>70957079
>>70959797
>another idiot suckered into believing a fake left-right dichotomy
>>70959032
neo-liberalistation started with carter, not reagan. funny how you always converiently forget.
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>>70959791
I dont know. Might not be accurate but I think it was Apple who said it. Then it remained legal grey area untill it was made legal. You can check wikipedia for more info about the lawfulness.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw
This does not mention apple but gives legal information on property that could help you understand the case with appliances. Talks about licences.
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>>70939512
>>70958085
It is absolutely a cartel agreement.

Other stores can't compete by selling at a cheaper price, thus they simply can't compete as Steam has a near monopoly.

However, this 30% cut lawsuit itself won't impact Steam or Google Play Store because they aren't monopolies. Android allows other stores. Windows/Linux have other stores besides Steam. Apple's store is, however, an actual monopoly and is using that monopoly to scalp 30% from anyone who develops for the iPhone. They are almost surely going to lose.
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>>70946047
>What are property rights
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>>70960098
>They are almost surely going to lose.
my god the butthurt will be enormous
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>>70960108
consumer owns the device. Can sue for buttfuck.
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>>70939404
So Steam good Apple bad?
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>>70960271
Steam is not the only option for buying software on Windows.
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>>70960285
that's not what that nice man from epic told me
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>>70946047
Android is the most open system in the mobile/console market next to having a normal computer and normal OS.

These closed ecosystems offer next to nothing to developers and consumers alike. If governments step down and force them to allow external apps they will have to compete in producing good hardware like they did beforehand.
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>>70939655
>iToddles BTFO
How? Anti-consumer practices are getting outlawed. Why would that be bad for iToddlers?
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>>70958175
Most democrats are corporate shills but republicans are even worse, it's fucking absurd. They have a climate change denier and coal lobbyist as head of the EPA and a Boeing guy as defense secretary. At least the left has an insurgent group of anti-corp politicians, like Bernie. Where's that on the right? Rand Paul I guess?
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>>70958905
That was what 2011? You just revealed yourself to be a complete newfag.
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>>70960285
Steam? You mean that chinese furry hentai dump?
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>>70949785
Things form into monopolies by nature. This is fine as long as they do not fuck over the consumer. The Monopoly companies lobby with their money to keep others out and raise prices. The consumers have no say and get fucked hard

You could make the same argument for the railroad Monopoly back in the day. The owners got so rich they basically controlled the nation. Fucked the entire population creating and created shit economy stifling growth.

The ultimate end game of capitalism is destroying capitalism and enforcing a Monopoly . That is where the maximum profits are.

If Apple wants to stay a Monopoly I have no problems with that. As long as they adhere by the rules and do not start abusing their position.

This app store BS taxing 30% is a clear abuse of power. They have no choice but to adhere.
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>>70948946
CC companies do charge merchants per transactions when the customer pays with a CC. Don’t be stupid.
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>>70962793
Never implied they didn't

I'm saying they don't have a monopoly, just shop somewhere else, get a different cc So 30% would be fine
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>people defending apple getting 30% of a subscription service that they don't offer or have anything to do with
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Tech executives got too arrogant and pissed off uncle sam. I think the tipping point was when Google deliberately no-showed a congressional inquiry. The entire political class of the US is now on the warpath against tech giants.
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>>70946047
>android has anti-trust issues google is hampering competition and favoring itself.
That's why they've paid €8.2 billion in fines in the EU so far and that's not the end of it
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>>70939577
only if you have monopoly, i.e. it's not possible to compete. You can complete with other online retailers by just starting your own business, not their fault that you suck
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>>70962921
hell hath no fury like a boomer scorned
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>>70960765
rand paul is not anti-corporate. He's pro corporate anarchy which basically means he's for corporations enslaving and oppressing you so long as the government isn't.
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>>70939655
based
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>>70939404
>run a business
>btfo the competition
>"i-it's not f-fair"
>"gubmint pls help"
Fucking commies, I swear to God...
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>>70939655
based
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>>70939404
What monopoly? It’s almost like saying that Microsoft has a monopoly because everyone is using Windows.
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>>70966830
Microsoft is a benign monopoly. Applel is a cancerous malevolent monopoly.
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>>70943281
That’s why PCs and Android have higher security risks.
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>>70951821
he was a prophet
F
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>>70939655
bass
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>>70939655
baste
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>>70939655
basic
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>>70939655

yikes
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>>70946685
Steam gets no money from those keys.
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>>70953078
>plebbitor is upset
awww thats too bad
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>>70970284
Head on back to plebbit now
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>>70966229
Nice baseless conjecture.
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>>70946547
Free market doesn't apply to copyrighted things. Copyright is by definition anti-free market.
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>>70939404
Just got this AD on jewtube
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>>70939655
baste
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>>70966788
no man is an island.
i boycott first and foremost, i use ganoo and i shill for free software to everyone i know, however, there is only so much one can do againat the pernicious stupidity of your fellow man.
negative externalities exist, my friend, and the retards that willingly gargle corporate schlong ruin society for the rest of us.
i dont want government to protect consumers, but i want them to protect us from the consumers.
corporations have fiduicary responsibility to investors (who are retards who buy high, sell low and reward corporations for acting againat their interests).
Courts are generally (rightfully) unsympathetic to consumers, but there exists a broad corpus of law to protect investors from their own folly.
make no mistake, the usurious "eshop tax" levied by the corporations reduces, not increases, corporate profits.
government has an obligation to protect investors from themselves.
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>>70939643
>>70939655
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>>70948607
wonder how many polkikes know that benjamin franklin didnt consider germans or even swedes as white but only (((anglos))) white is effectively a semitic race
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>>70973918
No retard he misunderstood and called them swarthy he didnt directly call them nonwhite and that is one man out of many.
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>>70973939
nice try whitey but he specifically said anglos are the only whites why do you think the natsocs never used that term its origin has judeochristian roots which i wont go into detail here but photoshopping a natsoc symbol behind ben franklin is ironic as fuck
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>>70973977
I think you need to learn to read you stupid nigger, he doesnt say they aren't white there. He is merely pointing out his incorrect belief that anglos are WHITER than the "swarthy" Europeans.

furthermore, this is evident in looking at who was allowed in the country from the beginning. It was for white men, and Germans, Irish, and more all were allowed in under these rules. There is absolutely no basis in saying they weren't "white" and you're taking one single thing franklin said of all people as some kind of proof. Fuck off with your judeo christian abrahamic cuckoldry.
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>>70973977
>swarthy
learn to read, motherfucker
also keep in mind he liked to fuck french women
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>>70973999
it isnt incorrect belief, but just shitposting banter, figurative speech in favour of anglo culture. (which indeed under the constitutional monarchy of the magna carta and onwards, was indeed freer than continental tyranny)
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>>70973999
this little jew is steaming so hard holy moly
>who with the English, make the principle Body of White People
can you not comprehend that statement theres no gradient here little man the semitic anglos were the true whites no one else and the fact that a man of his status thought that means several more did as well its called deductive reasoning
>>70974003
the state of your delusion
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>>70949434
That one is actually NVidia's fault, they patched it in newer switch models.
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>OnAugust 17, 1790, theHebrew CongregationExternalof Newport, Rhode Island, presented a congratulatory address to PresidentGeorge Washingtonon the occasion of his visit to their city. Both the address, written by Moses Seixas, and Washington’sresponseappeared together in several newspapers. They encapsulate Washington’s clearest articulation of his belief in religious freedom and the first presidential affirmation of the free and equal status of Jewish-American citizens.
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>>70974069
https://youtu.be/c7YzrbeLbJE
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>>70960098
>make hardware
>make software on it
>create business for other software developers
>get sued for creating business cuz it's monopoly

Those app developers can fuck off and make their apps on other platforms then. Nobody forces them to support ios.
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>>70974234
seething iToddler.
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>>70939655
Feel like there's a great proportion of us doing this just to get the word filtered
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There is somthing to be said for the idea that the people always get the government they deserve. Howsoever that government is constituted — whether by "democracy", by a republican, if aristocratic senate, or by king, tsar, or emperor...
it is the passivity of the people that grants assent and legitimacy to their tyrants.
Whereas the serfs suffered the privations of the feudal nobility; and the french king, buoyed up by the endurance of "les miserables", who later enabled the reign of terror and rule of Napoleon, were the architects of their own dismal, squalid fate; and whereas the swedes waged centuries of religious wars againt their baltic neighbors, Ben. F. rightfully believed the English culture and government to be the best — and this state of excellence was hard fought though constant struggle, for its people were the best, vigilent and most valiant.
American independence was won with the aid of tyrannical continental despots, who Ben F., along with the rest of the revolutionaries, desperately wished to avoid being indebted to, or controlled by.
Despite his "predjudice", Ben F. lived in paris as ambassador until the french revolution.
He preferred to fuck milfs and widows as "they are grateful" for it.
But his warnings about the athoritarian, marxist continental scum were just as prescient, truthful, and insightful then as they are today.
>>70974069
Whatever else that statement may be, it is not in favour of "vibrant diversity and multiculturalism".
Nor is it in favor of the claim that "there really is no such thing as race," or that "race is performative", or "culturally constructed".
It does not, for that matter, advocate discriminatory, racist policies designed to unfairly privilege midlle IQ hasidics against those northern or central asiatic races which have been objectively tested to be intellectually superior, not just to "whites", but also to negroes, dravidians, amerindians, and SEAmongrels.
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And reality is if they made iphones in the USA instead of pooland, they probably would've voted in favor of Apple because of the jobs they created.
Crapple btfo.
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>>70962587
best post itt.
a free, open, and competitive market is a power vacuum.
nature abhors a vacuum.
rational actors will resist the market pressure to centralize everything into monopolies, but people are not perfectly rational.
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>>70970980
That's definitely not how Paul would say it but that is the end result of legitimate libertarianism.
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>>70958905
>people who were here in 2012 now think of themselves as oldfags
Jesus Christ.
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>>70962587
>This is fine as long as they do not fuck over the consumer
I can not think of even a hypothetical situation in which a monopoly does not fuck over someone. They're never good.
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>>70974798
>that is the end result of legitimate libertarianism.
American libertarianism, sure. Which is another word for anarcho-capitalism.
Libertarian means something else in the rest of the world and would break up large corporations which threaten people's liberties, though.
t. no.70966229
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>>70974234
But apple releases competing products which aren't affected by the 30% cut

Also apple doesn't charge Uber etc for in app purchases only their competitors
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>>70939404
Steam link app just came out on appstore. Apple btfo.
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>>70974891
I don't know much about libertarianism in other countries, but I do know the rest of the developed world is further left than the US, so maybe you're right.
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>>70939404
Based Kavanaugh.
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>>70974809
what do you think happened post 2016?
nigger.
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how will itoddlers ever recover?
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iPhone/Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. It's not like Apple is oppressing Android/Google.

Why does the US government care how much profit Apple makes from their App Store? Is it a threat to National Security?
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>>70939655
bass
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>>70947318
>price gouged insulin
Patents and FDA can just block out competition completely, see how epipen got a monopoly. Patent reform/abolishment and abolishing the FDA would prevent this.
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>>70975525
>Developed
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>>70966229
Yeah without the government Apple would enslave us far worse than North Korea could ever dream of enslaving its citizens.
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>>70939925
MMmmmMmMMMM yes and no. On the one hand, some games meet your criteria. On the other hand, some games are only available on steam and nowhere else so they have a monopoly on those games.

But technically every game is a monopoly because no one else can sell those games anywhere else and only one person or group has control over it.

It gets complicated and the pseudo lawyers on this french whoring website aren't going to be able to debate all the facts and nuances in the law to work it all out.
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>>70949266
>Most games can be launched without steam client or at the very least patched using steamless so that they don't need the client
Wait really? Could you give me a link to a tutorial or something?
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>>70939428
valve doesn't own the operating system and disallow game stores other than steam
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>>70951632
Do you really think 4chan is socially liberal/middle today?
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>>70958085
>Steam has a price match clause (just like many stores do) so you cant even sell in another place for cheaper
[citation needed]
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>>70960098
they can't compete because they would need a decade to match steam's feature list
there are plenty of alternative game/key stores
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>>70981398
Not him but you can just read their ToS if you care to.

>>70980050
>abolish the FDA!
Yeah, no. I work for a medical company and the bigwigs do not give a shit about your health. They're terrified of FDA inspections though and that goes a long way.
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>>70949092
>So this only applies because you can't sideload on iphones then? It doesnt apply to android because of the existence of fdroid and the like?
Pretty much, though you don't even need F-Droid or any alternative on Android, you can install applications directly, with no store having to be used.
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>>70939655
bass
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>>70939643
>>70939655
FUCKING EVERYTIME
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>>70962587
+1000
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incredibly epic. Apple's recent shareholder meetings all but confirm their future was in rent seeking in things like the app store. this could really destroy the value of apple significantly.
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>>70966868
Shit occasionally got past apple store. Like anything else, only install/run something you trust. Go overkill, install everything in a sandbox environment or VM.
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>>70981361
yes, especially after leftist shills/trolls invaded from 2016-2018 midterms.
The userbase more than tripled during that period.
what else could the new userbase be, other than "middle"?
libertarians (left or right) are vanishingly rare anymore.
we have instead morons who are "individualists" which is a fancy way of saying they are socially-left big government liberals like bill weld, or delusional stirner worshipping "marxists" who are really just corporate cocksleeves.
and the rest dont even bother to pay any kind of lip service to ideals of freedom and autonomy in the slightest.
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>>70948980
presidents are chosen by majority vote (if you're lucky)
phones are completely your choice, it's not even as bad as windows where the software availability can basically force someone to use it, everything important is available for both iOS and Android, there is no pressure to get an iPhone over any Android phone
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>>70985450
corporate issued devices, with vital infrastructure and apps tied to that particular ecosystem....
unfortunately its a real problem in several workplaces.

then there is social pressure: zooomzooms are 90% idevice users in the US
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>>70985523
>work iphone
this isn't a thing i've seen, maybe the US is different
in that case though, it's a work phone, not a personal one, treat it like an appliance
that and... it's a work phone, not your phone, even if it was an android phone with lineageos and root access, it still wouldn't be your phone, since it's work-provided
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>>70981440
They COULD compete on price though, but taking a lower cut and selling games cheaper so that Steam's 30% isn't passed onto the consumer.
Steam's illegal cartel agreement is what makes them difficult to compete.

>>70980458
The large corporations already do, outside of freely allowing us to leave their enslavement. They're convinced us the enslavement is willful.



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