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/mkg/ - ÜberBaller Edition

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Last thread >>70155067
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>>70172487
I just received my R2. Keys feel great.
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Why are people buying GMK minimal when epbt black on white exists?
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>>70172581
memes
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>>70172581
I wish for the GMK meme to end to be honest. That and for a cherry profile PBT ergodox set with 1.5u keys with the proper row profiles to exist.
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I'm gonna teabag it
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>>70172807
>5251
better yet melt it down
3278s are vastly superior, at least that's whats based on my testing
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To the topre anon from the previous thread
http://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R2TL-US-IV/USV.html
I can't find online info on the fn key tho.
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>>70172818
They're rarer and different, that's about it. Not really superior. Like everything, it is up to personal preference.
Here is a typing comparison (not mine). The sound isn't as deep as a 5251, likely due to the smaller case. https://vimeo.com/266366974
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>>70172870
And here is mine
http://www.realforce.co.jp/products/R2TL-JPV-IV/index.html
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>>70172881
That just shows off the difference in solenoids more than anything.
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>>70172870
>>70172884
The ones with APC (variable switch actuation) seem to have more sensible fn key wiring. However it's like $100 more expensive.
But I guess Japanese boomer salaryman don't give a shit about such details.
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>>70172907
On closer inspection
- US layout has 2 super keys, 2 alt keys. menu mapped to fn + right super
- JIS layout 1 super key, 2 alt keys. Menu mapped to fn + right alt.
since fn is "hard wired", maybe my issue with my key bindings is due to a firmware issue?
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>>70172881
the 3278 has tripleshot keycaps tho unlike the 5251. Also they do feel different. The beam springs have a slight difference in design which I think improves the feel on the 3278.
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Model F is the best keeb in the world.
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Are Topres worth the premium price or are they just overpriced rubber domes?
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>>70172966
They're overpriced rubber domes, but they do feel better then any of the rubber dome keyboards I've tried
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>>70172966
The latter.
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>>70172966
Topre switches are excellent.
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BUY TOPRE.
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>>70173291
>slider after housing
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>70173360
it's from the realforce website

probably looks stupid the other way
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Can I get a rubber dome & membrane keyboard with a similar typing experience as topre for much less money?
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Is there any decent typing software out there to train/test your speed/accuracy/WPM etc?
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>>70173291
clean up this mess
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>>70173426
But that would be the accurate way to explode it
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>>70173437
Nope. If you want the topre feel get topres. That said they aren't worth the hype. BTC and BKE domes are better imo
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>>70173445
I'm slow AF but I train myself to be autistic about using the correct form of typing with the whole 10 fingers and touch typing.
I use typer racer and I'm often faster than most but every once in a while I get ultimately rekt by those 100WPM people.
I usually max out at 60 WPM, with spikes at around 80. But on longer texts or texts with unfamiliar words / lots of symbols, I average at around 40WPM.
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>>70173499
ya fair enough.

dont ask me what the japs do what they do.
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>>70173519
Like this. "pro", borderline "typermaster" but slow AF by /g/ standards
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>>70172604
Shine is preventing me from using my ALT Laser.
ABS is so trash.
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>>70173519
That's not software. That's a website.
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>>70173570
look mom, I'm a typermaster !
>>70173574
lmao why do you care? How often are you offline and needing to practice your typing?
good enough IMO
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>>70173445
>>70173519
https://www.keybr.com/
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>>70173570
I'm not taking advice from some trash ass slow ass retard ass bitch boy. I'm trying to get better but I'm already way faster than you. How embarrassing.
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>>70173654
>How embarrassing
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>>70173570
lmao that's like how fast I am after switching to Planck for 11 hours
110 wpm on staggered
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>>70173654
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>>70173654
You're too slow. What are you trying to brag for?
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>>70173908
>staggered
I'm not trying to brag. I'm saying I'm slow and am looking for software to help me improve. And if I think I'm slow at 90wpm, then I think it's safe for me to ignore the 50wpm brainlette that recommends fucking typeracer.com.
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>>70173947
You're a nut.
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What is the lightest linear switch? I'm an ergofag and I think it would be more /comfy/ with a lighter switch. Gat clears?
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Budget
>$130 or less
Switch
>Low profile Red or Speed
Layout
>Tenkeyless
Form factor
>Chiclet keys
Backlight
>No preference single backlight is fine

Who makes this?
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>>70174454
OLKB Planck Light

>Kailh Low Profile
>3 choices for keys: tactile, clicky, linear.
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>>70174096
probably the gat clears yeah
they feel insanely light
I don't even feel like I'm really bottoming out on them
very lightly in any case, they don't make much sound (other than the spacebar)
when you type on them it feels like you're going at 200wpm
they're among my favorites
I kinda want to try gateron browns lubed with 35g springs, or even 30g if it's possible without rebound problems
>>70174454
depends on where you live
they're sold under different branding (even though they're essentially the same keyboards)
I know you can find the havit ones pretty much anywhere around the world on amazon
they come in tkl and with kailh choc linears
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>>70174624
They only make 60% keyboards though. Looking for TKL.
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>>70174636
What branding do they have for SEA?
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Alright nerds, recommend me a mech keyboard under 50€ that doesn't sound like your grandmother having diarrhea
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>>70174640
https://www.amazon.com/Rapoo-Mechanical-Removable-Anti-ghosting-Extra-Thin/dp/B07DZV7LGQ/?tag=akshatblog198-20

https://www.amazon.com/DAREU-Bluetooth-Wireless-Mechanical-Tenkey-less/dp/B075SZ56PD/?tag=akshatblog198-20


Look at those. I didn't read the to %60 before.
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>>70171828
Ah nice, but it's 2x more expensive than I'd like (since it comes with two pads).
Maybe I could see if I can convince a friend to use a gamepad. Alternatively, any euros/britbongs in here that would like to split a nyquist?
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>>70174636
Search for Kailh Low Profile and Cherry Low Profile Switches.

>If a keyboard manufacturer doesn't sell it, then it will probably be in a kit.
>kits are fairly simple to assemble.
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>>70174647
no clue quite frankly
in the EU a couple of them are: drevo, havit, sharkoon, gamdias

the odd thing is that I can't even seem to find any low profile boards on aliexpress apart from a havit with blue switches
alternatively, there's the cooler master sk630 which uses cherry mx low profile (which is fairly new to the market) and probably over your budget as well
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>>70174798
yeah the 20usd in shipping or however much it is, isn't worth it
there's one more thing you could do, which will cost you 14 euros
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/fuckmedaddy/32821198488.html
get this plate and cut it in half

I've used this plate to accommodate 2 of my boards
it's 1.5mm thick stainless steel, so cutting it is going to be pretty hard (I used a dremel and it's a pain in the ass, tin snips won't go through it easily either) if you don't have the dedicated tools, if you do have the tools then it should be easy
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>>70174889
I'd actually prefer a PCB to a plate. If I did want a plate really badly then custom acrylic cutting services are everywhere, whereas custom PCB services almost never have a 1x option and if they do it's prohibitively expensive.

If I do get an xd75 plate and cut it, I'll need to handwire the switches, and then I'd really need some sort of case, too, which will be a problem.
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>>70174816
>>70174640
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I never see mkg talk about key chatter. How many of you experience it?
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>>70175322
There's a bit with my spring swaps, also for the first few days my springs would crunch if I bottomed out to hard. That went away though.

Lubing helps, but then you need to lube and it increases the resistance of the whole thing
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>>70175322
Even if you do get switch chatter, the problem can be solved in QMK with debouncing.
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>>70175329
>>70175333
What about replacing switches? I'm really not that well versed in these things. At some time in the past, I believe I read someone claiming that a certain time of keyboard build - for example a plate mounted one - would require desoldering ALL switches in order to repair just one. Is that true? Are there mechanical keyboards out there that are constructed like this?

Also, I wonder if the hot-swappable switches like in the GMMK will retain a stable connection to the PCB over years or if they will be more prone to issues like key chatter.
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>>70175380
>certain time of keyboard build
I meant 'type' obviously.
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>>70175380
no, you can replace 1 switch at a time, regardless of how it's mounted
also I've never had keychatter in my qmk boards, of which 2 are handwired board and 2 with pcb
I had keychatter on my noppoo keyboard (which was a common thing apparently) not sure what caused it, was a pcb/controller related thing (and niz plum/noppoo keyboards still have similar issues to this day, so beware)

chances are replacing the switch won't do anything, unless if you notice it in a switch specifically, you can also just disassemble the switch (after desoldering it) and 'clean' it or replace it
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>>70175331
When are you gonna be redesigning the silkscreen art? I'm broke but also financially irresponsible so I want to make sure I get the first iteration to feed my autism
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>>70175401
Okay thanks.

I mean it's only natural that if you're searching for people having problems with their keyboards online, of course you're going to find them. I am aware of this. Still, by this point I have heard or read of key chatter occuring in basically every brand that uses Cherry MX switches. I think it's just inherent in the design of the switches themselves that it can happen. People say it's either bad debounce routine in firmware, you say it was a controller issue, others say it's dust in the switch, I have heard of fault USB cords or ports being the cause. No one really knows.

Are there switches that do it less than Cherry MX? Like I have never had chatter on a rubber dome ever. In ALL these years. No matter the brand it just does not happen.
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>>70175427
Georgi is going to stay as it is for a few months at least.

Gergo is going to be redesigned later this week, Just minor tweaks to component placement, routing, and assembly (won't make any difference for plates/cases/etc) and I'm going to change up the artwork. Dubbing it Gergo: Infornography for the time being.

Not decided on the theme, probably going to keep it Lain themed, but was toying around the possibility of Hackers themed or something. What do you anons want?
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>>70175498
A Guy Fawkes mask
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My iKBC poker mimi finally reached my country. Now I need to wait for a few more days for them to decide of they'll tax it plus the delivery time. 2 months is a lot
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Is there a way to turn my wired key board into a wireless keyboard?
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>>70175498
Stop selling readies and work on improving the trackball REEEEE
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>>70175599
Not one that works well for custom shit, but there are HID relay devices.

>>70175603
Man I fucking wish, I work at a hotel so my time there is spent of FW/Docs/Shilling all of my free time is going to getting these orders cleared. It's kind of nuts how little time I actually have. Take a look at the code for Georgi in sten.h, it's kind of insane. :(

That being said, I also suck at mouse code, it's open source so If someone is looking to add some C to a resume or something, give'r shit.

I need to watch hackers and find some stills I think.
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>>70172487
based
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>>70172966
it's all preference my man

I use a keyboard for work and at home, so paying a premium is nothing looking at cost benefit analysis
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gergoman, the large thumb keys on the gergo are approx. 3mm further away from the home row than on the ergodox. I find that my thumb naturally rests between the 2u and 1.5u keys. I find this very uncomfortable.
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>>70176063
Do you too have good feeling of oneness with cup rubber?
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>>70176221
Oh no, I just realized I use keyboards wrong. My fingers rest on SDFG, HJKL blaming that on fuckin' vim.

But try setting your caps up like this on the bottom: 1u 1.5u 2u 2u
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>>70174454
Cooler Master sk660
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>>70176344
The Japanese are too pure
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Question for the DIYfags out there:
How easy is it to have RGB lighting with QMK firmware and through hole LEDs?
I like purple backlighting but I can't find purple LEDs that aren't just UV pretending to be purple.
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>>70173437
Niz makes Topre clones.
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>>70176654
Through-hole RGB LEDs that work with switches are hard to come by, and if you manage to find those, good luck finding a PCB that supports them.
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>>70176654
Better best is SMD Rgb for per key and something like the ISSI drivers.
https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/drivers/issi

That being said something like crkbd which isn't Per key is pretty okay as well. Honestly, ditch the RGB and you'll have a better time
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>>70172007
That screen is A E S T H E T I C S
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>>70173291
But I don't want rubber dome.
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>>70173802
This is stupid anyway. If you type in the official way i reached 168wpm when i did the exam. I reckon if i tried now i'd type like 60-100wpm.
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Good lord Hyper-7 keyboards look fantastically fun. I tried searching them up and the latest info I saw of them was like mid last year. Is there anywhere to watch to see if they crop up again? Like MassDrop or the like?
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>>70177388
just keep checking geekhack.
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To those who use the 60%/poker style layout: how much of a pain is not having the arrows?

Thinking of making one but I worry about not having the arrow keys particularly in games and I'm wondering if I should just make a 68 key instead or even bite the price bullet and go 75%.
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>>70177822
>ARROWS
>GAMES

lol what are you doing nig
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>>70177822
anon, FN (either replaces right alt or split right shift) + some keys...
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>>70177822
the advantage of 60% is the great compatibility
cases, keycaps, plates, pcbs
for that alone I'd go for 60% over 68% or 75%

this is my first layer (fn key is next to the left, where usually altgr is)
I could also toggle it back and forth and a bunch of other shit
(this is not necessarily possible with the poker though, mine is QMK)

so yeah, the arrow keys can still be there if you want them to be, albeit it's a bit different
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>>70177969
>right shift is up arrow
actually not bad idea while using "standard" keycap set, most of us never use the right modifier group
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>>70177838
It is quite common if you use left handed mouse
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>>70178081
Wouldn't you use pl;' then?
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>>70177047
>Honestly, ditch the RGB and you'll have a better time
If I could find actually purple LEDs I'd ditch it in a heartbeat.
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>>70178165
There is no point. You can easily feel when your fingers are on arrow cluster if using normal 104/87 kbd and you don't have to worry about slipping.

Funny thing - before WASD was established (quake I time) many players played it like that.
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>>70178238
what about these
https://flashquark.com/product/switch-leds/
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Any anons here using split spacebar (particularly ortho) set to backspace or enter, and which?
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I need some help, /mkg/.
I bought this DIY kit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GK61-same-brand-GK64-mechanical-keyboard-DIY-kit-hot-swap-independent-driver-tyce-c-interface-GH60/32902986840.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.3bc24c4dFVUuV6
for my first custom build along with some GMK stabs. Does anyone know if the plate is simply not compatible with screw-in Cherry stabs? I just can't seem to get the plate fit onto the PCB when all stabs are mounted.
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>>70179793
have you tried mounting the stabs on the pcb bud
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>>70179793
You may need to get yourself some plate-mount stabs.
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>>70179854
Plate mounted stabs were included with this kit, it actually came pre-assembled, but I wanted to swap them out for some genuine PCB mounted cherry stabs. Should've made myself clearer, sorry.
>>70179837
Yes, that's what I said. I can't fit the plate when all stabs are mounted.
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>>70180150
ah ok, in that case I'd suggest 'fixing' the plate with a rotary tool if you got one
otherwise, well you're just fucked
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>>70180184
So what you're saying is they are outright not compatible with the included plate? That's a shame but I don't feel like modifying the plate and potentially fuck it up beyond repair during the process. Probably just gonna keep those stabs for a future build. Thanks for your help, though. If I had only asked before completely disassembling this fucker.
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>>70180213
Yeah, plate-mount cutouts are different from PCB-mount cutouts.
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>>70180213
yeah the cutouts don't work for pcb stabs
now that I look at it again, it seems pretty obvious
there's a ton of 60% plates on ali, I get that you might not want to spend any more money though, for all you know the plate stabs are fine anyway
hell I am usually satisfied with just costar plate mounted stabs
add a tiny bit of light silicone grease if they seem loose/noisy and you're good to go
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.......I want the alt keyboard.......
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Is the Northgate Omnikey 102 gold label considered the ultimate blue Alps keyboard?
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>>70172007

Why don't they make keyboards like this anymore?
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>>70180626
Well for one, those types of keyboards have a physical 1KRO since you can only physically hold down 1 key at a time.
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>>70180626
Lever switches? Literally commercial steno machines are levers as opposed to switches
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redpill me on outemu sky
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>>70180915
They're more tactile than regular mx switches, and cheap. Supposedly the stock springs are kinda crap and you need to drill out the center post slightly to smoothen it out. If getting new springs and smoothening the center post sounds like a hassle then you're left with paying the Zeal Tax™
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Guys, I'm building my first custom board on the DZ60. I like wood working, so I want to build my own wooden case.

There seem to be no measurements of the PCB dimensions or the distance of the screw holes to the edge of the board ANYWHERE online, as far as I can tell...

If anyone has this PCB laying around and could measure it, or knows where to find the measurements, I would really appreciate it, desu.
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>>70180956
A new rev is coming out that fixes the springs and the need to drill a hole
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>>70180989
What do you wanna know? Just the length and width?
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>>70181022
Neat. Would make it a perfectly viable alternative then.
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>>70180989
>>70181024
length is about 282mm. Width is about 95mm.

Screw distances:
8mm from top, 73mm from left
8mm from top, 92mm from right
27mm from top, 22mm from right
4mm from bottom, 19mm from right
8mm from bottom, 91mm from right
8mm from bottom, 22mm from left
27mm from top, 21mm from left
46mm from top, 125mm from left
Those are to the corresponding edges of the screw holes. The actual holes are all 4.82mm by 2.46mm. you can do the math.

Those numbers are provided as is.
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>>70181218
Wow, thanks alot man.
Very thurrough and quick!

Yeah that should help, I'll be posting updates to the project when I get further.
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How shit are Massdrop keyboards? This looks almost perfect compared to what I want to build myself saving time and possibly money, and I get shit like RGB without the trouble (like >>70176654) but I'm also concerned if ~65% is actually beneficial versus 60% (considering >>70177969). I'll be down/upgrading from a full-size, so that's a lot of keys to miss.

Second, I have Cherry MX Clears and ultimately want Zilent switches, but are the included Halos that great as an alternative?
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>>70181607
65% is absolutely better if you have a primary use for the arrow keys and need a couple extra buttons for functions/nav cluster keys you'll miss.
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Trying out clicky switches for the first time and fpr some reason despite the clickbar this keyboard is quieter than my last one which had reds in it.

Why would that be?
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>>70179569
I have 2 1u where my spacebar is on my preonic and plank. I use the left as shift and the right as space.
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>>70181919
Could be a couple reasons
I'd guess it's either the keycaps or the case desu
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>>70181607
I have the snowflake purple ALT, I really like it. 65% is my favorite layout as well. I need to find some different keycaps though because I don't want to shire the ones that it came with.
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>>70181919
Could be you stopped bottoming out?
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>>70173570
What? I get 130wpm on a thinkpad keyboard.
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>>70178241
WASD wasn't established by regular gamers until way after Quake though.
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What's a good TKL wireless cherry blue?
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>>70182008
I honestly can't tell, but that would make sense.
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My BOX pinks came in today.
I like them.
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>>70183688
what board are they in?
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>>70183790
GMML TKL
I use it as a test board for new switches.
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>>70183797
>GMMK TKL
Oh that's the same board I have! I have Gateron Blacks in mine right now. I like it but the stabs definitely need some modding.
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>>70183688
Really? The clickbar is really rattly and muted. They sound and feel like clickjackets. I don't like them.
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>>70183905
They sound like muted navies and feel like more tactile whites
I actually like them a lot, my blues board sounds and feels like shit compared to these
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>>70183918
They feel less tactile than whites to me.
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>>70172007
Is that a CRT?
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>>70183937
Amber display
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>>70183927
Are you serious?
Whites are practically linear switches with a click halfway through the travel. The pinks so far feel like a more tactile blue switch.
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>>70183954
I think the reason is that on the pinks the click is much less defined. I just really don't like them. They're a clickbar switch without any of the positive traits of clickbar switches
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>>70183974
eh, different strokes I guess
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>>70183981
I mean, am I wrong about it being rattley and way more rounded? People seem to have no idea what I'm talking about so I have to wonder if I got a defective batch of switches sorry something.
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>>70183992
They're more rounded but definitely not rattly.
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>>70183937
It's plasma. IBM also made a similar display for their luggables
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>>70183992
I've tried both pinks and jades, and the pinks are more rounded and have a more muted click that''s slightly higher pitched while the jades are more sharp and and a lower pitched click.
I actually liked both but if I was to get a set I'd probably lean towards the pinks since I would constantly bottom out and hammer the keys with the jades versus the pinks.
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Anyone got any pros/cons with these?
VA68 / TADA68 / FC660m
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>>70184645
I don't, but get the Leopold
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>>70184645
The Tada will have the most switch variety
The Leopold will have the best build quality
Pick your poison
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>>70184645
massdrop alt or tada68 with kbdfans high profile case
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>>70180327
Yeah, I just reassembled it and applied some bandaid-mods, helped a ton. I might get a new plate later down they road but for now I'm good.
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>>70184645
VA68:
-cheapest

TADA68:
-best programmability
-very good caps

FC660m:
-best caps and case
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>>70181547
The software is crap but that didn't bother me as much. I got mine for 80€ including an alu case, so I'd say it's very good value.
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>>70177822
Recently bought my first 60% (Vortex Pok3r). I don't mind having to use the FN layer to reach arrow keys. It's an okay tradeoff for the form factore.
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>>70172487
deprecated by zeal
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>>70185046
Nah.
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>>70185046
When did zeal start producing reliable capacitive non-contact switches
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>>70185258
no mushy feeling though
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>there are people in this thread right now who will defend rgb
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>>70186264
i like colours a lot c:
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>>70186264
that's a classy setup, yeah rgb is cheesy toddler tier.
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>>70184029
Damn, nig. Thats comfy.
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If I have a chance to nab a really fucking rusty 5251 beamspring for like $200, should I? It's also missing the numpad enter keycap, but I can stick some random 1u beamspring keycap from ebay on there and then hunt deskthority or mechmarket later. My main concern is whether it's likely I wouldn't be able to restore it to working condition.
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>>70186264
>there are zoomers in this thread right now who will defend 60%/75%/80% garbage just because Apple set another trend
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>>70187675
Restoring them is hard work. Be prepared to spend another 100 bucks actually getting rid of the rust and fixing any PCB issues if you have no idea what you're doing. That said there was a person on deskthority who found one horribly rusted, but the PCB was fully intact. He ditched the case and built his own and only spent like 50 bucks on a modern beam spring controller
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>>70187687
you mean boomers. they're the ones who popularized the HHKB back in the 90s
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>>70187705
Makes sense, thanks. Do you happen to have a bearing on the market? All I know is that you find memes for $2000 all the time, but I have no idea how often more beat-down pieces of junk pop up for cheap. I don't have a lot of time right now, but if it's a once in a year or so opportunity I might snag it anyway and maybe work on it gradually for months. But there's no point to doing this if I'm likely to just find another one like this in a few months when I do have more time
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>>70187751
200 is about right for one in terrible condition. It's a gamble, but the hardest part is just the rust. You don't really see many examples with broken switches since they're so solidly built.
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>>70187796
Alright, I think I'll hold off then, because this one does have a missing numpad enter keycap and those are probably not trivial to find. Thanks anon.
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>>70187855
you can actually salvage keycaps from selectric typewriters since they're the same. you can find them on craigslist for like 20 bucks
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>>70187855
>>70187860
For the longest time blue selectric 1 typewriters actually sold more than beamspring keyboards just for their keycaps. They're still expensive as shit, and people will even trade two beamsprings for one of them.
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>>70187908
*sold for more than
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>>70187908
I'm aware of this set, and it doesn't come with a numpad enter (on top of being expensive as all fuck). So unless there are other typewriter models, this doesn't help.
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>>70185046
explain how zeal's overpriced chattermx shit is superior to cup rubber, or even holy pandas
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>>70176440
>coolermaster sk660
This isn't true low profile though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5-12O3kiho

>>70174777
Not Chiclet keys
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>>70188701
it's hard to beat rubber domes for smooth tactility
tactile switches are inherently scratchy
I personally prefer light tactile bumps, works better lubed as well
like my lubed speed coppers right now, feels smooth as fuck, it actuates right at the top and the spring is just about heavy enough that it intuitively prevents you from bottoming out

I also got hako violet switches, that I opted not to lube because they're already so light and I didn't want to lose any tactility
but that's been a mistake since they feel super scratchy because they got a pretty significant tactile bump
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>>70172581
You have to understand that people who buy GMK keycaps actually have brain problems. It's scientifically proven that only retards shill for them
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>>70172007
Where I can find GOOD mechanical keyboard with ISO layout?
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>>70190422
on the internet
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hey mech keyboard general
I'm using a membrane keyboard right now that is finally starting to go after years of service. I was wanting something that maybe had a better feel to it, but the problem is that I don't really know for sure what that 'feel' even is.
The last time I used a model M was the early 00's, so I don't' remember what that feels like at all. Everything up until then has been membrane keyboards, and I've mostly gotten used to those.

So I've never really tried mechanical keyboards out, all I can really say for certain is that I hate chiclet style keyboards. I like keys having a travel and also having a slight bump to them.

For my use case, I run pen and paper sessions over a forum, so I have to type quick and type a lot.

Any suggestions? Please no memes.
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>>70190727
just get a membrane keyboard. I made the mistake of getting two nonmembrane keyboards. One with MX greens and one with box navies. In the end I went back to my membranes.
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>>70190760
There used to be a really nice Dell membrane keyboard that had high-profile caps that I liked a lot, but sadly I think they quit making it. The high profile caps were great for speed typing and had a good amount of travel and a very nice 'click' at the end.
I don't remember the name of it. I would go buy that right now if I could remember.
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>>70190760
I wish I could afford an SSK...
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>>70190902
what did it look like? was it beige or black?
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>>70172604
Is that the anne pro??
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>>70190927
That's almost identical to what it looked like.
Black
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>>70190931
no it's an HHKB as can be seen with the flipped spacebar
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>>70190950
is it this
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>>70186264
I just want it so i can easily sell the board to kids if i want a new one. I can always turn the rgb off when im using it.
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>>70190985
I think it may have been that.
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>>70190971
Are the mx conversion sliders as wonky as people say?
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Is there any good keyboard reviewer out there ? I've been looking at places, and every enthusiast forum is like "oh, you shouldn't buy this mainstream brand, you should better use this brand which cost twice as much because reasons [most frequent being either keycap material or unstandard bottom row]", and I can't find a single one which actually state how well a keyboard is made. At this point, I feel that the enthusiast market is almost exclusively about wanking to the prettiest and shiniest keycaps and obscure layout rather than appreciating well-made product whether they're popular or not.
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A few months ago I shitposted kinda hard with a bunch of made up layouts, especially ortho when I didn't own any ortho and implementing numpad when I'm not even using one.
This morning, to avoid changing the default too much, I thought of adding a numpad toggle in bottom right corner but having to turn it on and off seems a bit iffy. If I ever play Besiege again I'll just grab an actual numpad from the closet.
The next step, after arranging left side modifiers to personal taste, is making the navigation keys comfy (I'm too brainlet for linear arrows). See pic. This is top layer.
Other than that, the default is fine. Don't even need a split spacebar. Oddly I exclusively use left thumb on Planck but mainly right thumb on staggered so let's not mess with that.
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>>70191225
It's not that hard. Leopold makes the best prebuilts. Ducky makes the best RGB keyboards. Avoid everything else, or build your own.
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>>70191225
The guy who runs Keychatter is pretty alright
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>>70191253
Add CM for a decent cheaper option that's readily available in most places.
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I'm a bit of a brainlet when it comes to the mechanical keyboard scene, but I can't quite find what type of switches I found on a Walmart display once in the technology section. It was a few years ago, but I remember there was a mechanical keyboard out for testing and trying, and the keys were INSANELY LIGHT. Like they were clicky and loud as fuck, but it took almost no effort to push a key down, almost like there wasn't even anything to provide resistance. I kinda liked it. But for the life of me, I can't find anything that was like that keyboard or the switches that were being used. Nothing is quite as lightweight as those switches. Are there any switches or keyboards that are widely available that would fit that description?
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>>70191302
MX reds, and they were just loud because you were bottoming out?
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>>70191302
If you want super light switches, check out Gateron clears.
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>>70191232
Made it so that holding Lower (you can let go of bottom right key) turns the arrow cluster into mouse controls. Ctrl and Shift for constant fast and slow speed. I might be able to eliminate actual mouse usage with this.
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Are the brand new model f's legit or a scam?
My tax refund has come in and I would love to pick one up but whenever more than $300 is involved I get worried about scams.
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>>70191387
They're legit, just taking his sweet time because the dude is an absolute autist about making the new ones feel exactly like the old model Fs. Also reminder that the plastic model Fs were over $900 each when accounting for inflation (nevermind the metal 4704s).
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>>70191387
It's real I got to try some out and they do feel like the originals.
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Speaking of autism
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i just got a ducky shine 7, the stabilizers on the spacebar and enter key are unbearable. should i RMA it or return it? are all duckys like this? fuck sake
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>>70172007
Got the Asus Cerberus brown the other day, first mechanical keyboard Ive purchased, it's much better than membrane. Brown is no where near as annoying as blue although, red was my first preference.
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>>70192404
Buy some lube
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I have been using a Steelseries 7g (with Cherry MX-Black switches) for almost 8-9 years cost me around 110€ and it has been a very good investment.
Generally the keyboard works perfectly, only the spacebar only works if i hit the left side and i had to replace the ESC keycap because my dog ate the original one.
The only thing that i don't like about the keyboard it's the backspace key, it's a bit shitty as you can see in the pic related.

Now i'm thinking that maybe it's a good time to replace my old friend for a new one.
I don't like this kind of gayming keyboards with a lot of logos, forms, light an things that makes you look like a trap or brothel.
If I pick a RGB keyboard, it's because I would put the lights on white and use the backligh in the night.
Said that, which keyboard would you recommend me anons? I watched the SS 6gv2 or Ducky Shine or ONE 2.
Keep in mind that the layout must be 105 keys (full keyboard) with the possibility of spanish layout.

Anything that you can recommend me? Do you think that Ducky keyboards willl last the same as my hard 7G¿
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>>70192988
The ducky should be at least as good. Get one with PBT keycaps though.
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>>70193291
How i know if it has PBT keycaps¿
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>>70193417
It should be pointed out on the product page.
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>>70193291
>>70193417
The One 2 RGB and Shine 7 both come with PBT doubleshots from the factory.
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>>70193432
>doubleshots

What it means?

>>70193423
I'll check it
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>>70193445
"doubleshot" means the cap and the lettering are two different pieces of plastic so the lettering won't ever wear off.
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What keyboard should I buy to keep the keycaps from wearing off? They all seem to wear off after a year
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>>70193471
>"doubleshot" means the cap and the lettering are two different pieces of plastic so the lettering won't ever wear off.

Ok i understand, so much thanks.

I viewing a lot of pictures but i can't notice, there is any "major" difference between the Ducky One 2 and the Shine 7 that i'm missing?
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>>70193569
The Shine 7 has a zinc top case, it's more of a luxury item than the One 2. Functionality-wise, well, they're both keyboards with Cherry MX switches.
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>>70181991
The listing claims PBT caps so that shouldn't be an issue.
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>>70193653
Doesn't snowflake purple mean it came with the ABS Laser caps rather than the stock ones
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>>70193564
anything that's doubleshot. PBT would be better as they won't shine as fast as ABS
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Are function keys not a standard feature of ANSI layout?
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>>70193753
If you waste money on snowflake ABS caps it's your own punishment.
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>>70193919
they're not a standard feature on any layout
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>>70193935
>not
that wasn't supposed to be there
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>>70193935
Is the menu key the most useless key on a keyboard?
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>>70194092
Nah that would be pause/break, or scroll lock.
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Looking for something to recommend a friend who has only used bottom-of-the-barrel keyboards.

>Budget
$30-100
>Location (continent at least)
Portugal
>Preferred switch type
Anything that's a bit tactile - he mostly used rubber.
>Layout
ANSI.
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
Doesn't matter.
>Previous/current keyboards
Shitty office keyboards.
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>>70191225
Chyrosran22
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>>70191450
>>70191464
The dude did delay for like two and a half years by now
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>>70194265
well they've started assembling them so hopefully they'll ship sometime in the spring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT0VXgKO-dI
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>Budget
soft budget of $60 ~ $75 usd hard budget of $120 usd
>Continent
NA
>Preferred switch type
blue or similar generic clicky + tactile
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
80% - 100%
>Backlight
doesn't matter, though helps with night typing when I cant find the home row by feel
>Previous/current keyboards
IBM mush board, razer's black widow ultimate 2016, this meme gaymer garbage has served me for over a year. survived hundreds of drops and getting a 12 oz beer spilled directly on it and being stepped on at least once. unfortunately the most recent fall (my desk doesn't have very much real estate and the keyboard sits on an open drawer) resulted in some keys not working on first press every time all the time.
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>>70195048
Get a GMMK and slap some box navies and PBT caps on it.
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>>70195060
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Should I buy a model F? I notice the production run ends in a few weeks.
My father used to have one on his old computer that I used pretty much up until the turn of the century. It's where I remember typing most of my IRC conversations. I'm not sure how well it would work as a modern keyboard, though.
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>>70195448
Go for it.
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>>70195448
>Should I buy a model F? I notice the production run ends in a few weeks.
Mind you if you're basing this off the homepage, he's been saying it'll end at the end of the month for at least a couple of years. It gets updated every month. If you read somewhere else that the run is ending then sure.
Remember also that this is just the "early bird" run, he's promised a second run later.
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>>70195488
Oh, okay.
Thanks

If I can find my dad's old Model F, I may just search for an adapter for that. I'm sure it still works.
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Is the Model F77 repro worth it? Or is it just a meme?
I like clicky switches but I've never gotten to try a buckling spring keyboard and $385 seems like a lot to drop on a single keyboard.
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What sites have the cheapest Artisan Keycaps that also don't look like absolute dog shit?
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>>70196444
>Aritsan keycaps
Just buy some chink shit off aliexpress, it's all cheap plastic anyway
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Any keycaps that glow in the dark? Not for an LED keyboard.
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>>70196622
There is a groupbuy on geekhack right now for an SA set that had phosphorescent glowing called SA Glow, but it hasn't started yet and probably won't for at least a couple months. This is a render for it. Going to be pricey as fuck too, estimated pricing is ~$157 for a TKL set so take that for what you will.
Otherwise I Signature Plastics has cherry profile blanks for $2.00 a cap and SA novelties for $5.00 each.
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>>70196485
>>70196444
artisans are only cool if you DIY
though I gotta admit I've been seeing some cool ones on massdrop, still not gonna drop $20+ (and those are the cheaper ones) on a keycap

also what happened to our artisan guy, haven't seen him post in a while? he did debian/gentoo ones, was actually pretty cool
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My mom wanted to blog, so I built her a PC, she went to bestbuy to fondle keyboards and came home with a corsair K70 rapidfire mk2
RGB of course

I am immensely jealous that my mom has a nicer keyboard than me
every time I go over to their place and see that thing glowing on her desk I feel like my sejin electronics board is inadequate
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JUST got done cleaning my kb-7993.
feels so damn smooth now!
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Best braided Micro usb cables for keyboards, go.
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>>70198505
Literally any chinkshit
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>>70198226
That is one weird layout. What country is that from?
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>>70198919
I dunno, I live in the Netherlands, used to belong to my parents, no idea where they picked it up.
The underside says it's made in thailand.
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>>70195820
I mean, it's absurdly cheap for an F77 which only have like 3 surviving originals confirmed to exist.

If you don't care about the layout or the metal case, then any old Model F feels the same. XT's can still be had cheap enough if you clean them up yourself. Even an AT or a 3178 is just a couple hundred bucks.
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>>70198226
It's a nice rubber dome. Tough, tactile and quiet.
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lads been thinking about getting a mech kb probably this one

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CNDRMS8/?coliid=I3SYAAODVGLBZ0&colid=2PRZ562PFV464&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

im being cheap for now but my question is that i dont like the sound of blue keys so im thinking of getting this with outemu browns, will i regret going with browns instead of blues?
thanks for responding :)
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My mom knows how much I love mechanical keyboards and bought this for me and my nephew lol. I love her.
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>>70200734
lmao dude, very good
>>70200513
no one can tell you, it's personal preference, though amazon has a good enough return policy for this not to be an issue
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>>70200734
>CTRL-C
>CTRL-V
>nephew
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>>70173437
Good rubber domes are Monterey K204, BTC keyboards, Supergate keyboards(really nice keycaps), and Siam United Tech keyboards.
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>>70200734
cringe
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Is there a vendor that carries 62g springs, 3204 lube, and switches?
After buying soldering and desoldering tools and lube for stabs I have about $75 left over to spend on actual switch modifications for a couple of boards.
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After quite a bit of research, I think I will build my next board.
Gonna go with the TADA68 with the low profile aluminum case.
I've enjoyed using clicky tactile switches -somewhat-, but honestly the noise is a little bit too high pitched and annoying for me.

So, gonna go with something strictly tactile. I enjoy bottoming out with my keypresses. I just enjoy the `thunk' that it makes.

Recommend me a nice tactile switch? Default choice is the Gat browns right now.

Recommend me a tactile switch?
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>>70202823
If you like bottoming out and tactility you should try out BOX Royal Purples. Be aware they're a "love or hate" switch since the tactility is so sharp it basically forces you to bottom out with every press.
If they're not your speed I would probably still recommend staying away from browns, meybe get something like BOX Burnt Orange or Cherry Clears. Browns don't really have any notable tactility and if you're coming from clicky switches you'll probably be disappointed.
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>>70202882
Burnt oranges don't have a lot of tactility either, and their heavy spring makes it feel even more insignificant.
Plus the fact that the bump is all the way at the top makes them essentially feel like fucked linears. I'm not a fan.
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>>70203093
MX Clones don't really offer a lot in terms of tactility and imo oranges offer more tactile feedback than browns. The only MX derivitive switch that offers any form of tactility is basically Zealios and ergo clears, which are basically the same anyway. Royals are the most tactile switch I know of, regardless.
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>>70203165
Try V2 zeals then. The magnitude of the bump is almost the same as royals, just smoother & more rounded.
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>>70203200
I have tried them, which is why I mentioned them. They're not bad but they have the same issues as most MX clones, like stem wobble and scratchiness, although lube fixes the latter. I think zilents might be my favorite unmodded MX-like switch, but between the better options on the market and the $1.25/ea pricetag I tend to stay away.
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>>70202756
you live where?
springs and switches you can get on ali, lube idk differs based on where you live
personally I mix silicone OIL with silicone grease to get the consistency I want (pretty similar to krytox, which is also a mix of oil and grease afaik), cost me like $20 in total from amazon and it's enough to probably last a lifetime (just make sure it specifically says it's suitable for plastics)
I'm not necessarily saying this is better or worse than tribosys, krytox or any of the other expensive lubricant gimmicks that are so popular with enthusiasts, it definitely seemed more sensible to me vs buying a 2ml of lubricant for $10 + idk how much in shipping
>>70202823
the gateron browns are nice if you want a light spring with light tactility
you have to be more specifc about what you want though
sharp and short/light bumps right at the top (like on my speed coppers) make me bottom out a lot less than my gateron browns that have a more rounded bump (also the springs are a lot lighter on the gat browns)
you can look up graphs/specifications, they can tell you a lot about how a switch is going to feel
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I'm looking into buying/building a 40-60% (doesn't really matter, as long as it's not bigger than 60) with low profile switches, usb and bluetooth connectivity, but there's a catch - I don't want the switches to be visible. Is there such a board/case combo I could use to get this kind of look?
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>>70202882
>>70203093
>>70203318

Thanks for the input dudes! Lot to look into and consider.

The Royal Purples are super intriguing from the description and the force curve, but the slight additional cost is a slight negative.

So, I'll have to think about Burnt Oranges vs Gat browns and maybe read some of people's thoughts.

As far as knowing precisely what I want I would test them if I could, believe me, but the only store nearby only has Cherry MX and gamer junk.
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any other designs similar to this? or is this unique to JER?
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>>70205230
you mean like this
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>>70205624
yeah but not a full frow, i like the 4 fkeys on the jer

the jer is nice and all but
>339
>60 shipping
>5%
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anybody here have a tada68?
i dug mine out of my drawers after it sitting for the better part of a year and it works great but i cant get the programming tool to work
i go through the motions of going to that weird website
changing what i want changed
compiling it into a bit and pressing the button the keyboard to copy the file over
pressing esc to finalize

and it just doesnt have any affect
trying to add some fn + key for media controls but i cant get it to work for the life of me
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>>70205849
just use QMK
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>>70205924
never used it before
are there any guides out there on how to make the best of it?
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>>70206136
https://docs.qmk.fm/#/
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Is there anywhere I can get a set of white-on-black caps that's compatible with a 96key or 1800 layout?
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>>70172007
>Amber display
Is that even real?
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>>70172007
Is that desktop real?
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I'm going to buy into the Model F77 reproduction and there's nothing /mkg/ can do to stop me!
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>>70205924
>>70206369
im working through the install and i see a lot about running a linux esq running enviroment
will i have to have shit running in the background just to have a keyboard?
or will it all be self contained within the keyboard once i install a new BIN
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>>70206593
Am I the only one who thinks the F77 looks awkward as fuck without a function row?
Also the compact version looks off, and I can't explain why.
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>>70206786
Once you actually have the firmware configured the way you want for the board, it'll all be on the controller itself. No software running required.
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>>70206871
>no esc key
trash
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>>70206985
are you actually retarded
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>>70206985
They're re-programmable, anon. I was planning on using the "numpad" as a nav cluster for instance.
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>>70206950
any idea what bootloader the tada68 uses? i cant find any worthwhile info anywhere
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>>70207246
Beats me m8.
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>>70206871
I think it looks alright. It's a little chunky size sure, but it's a fucking model F, of course it's going to be chunky.
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>>70205849
welp i wanna kill myself
QMK straight up "just doesnt work" and i cant find for certain what fucking bootloader the tada68 is
qmk toolbox "just doesnt work"
ive tried all the command line flashing possible and all of em "just doesnt work"
im at a loss now
could i just have a broken tada68?
the stock keymapper already doesnt work so it might have something to do with that
really sucks because the reason i left my old keyboard is because the media keys had a good ol case of "just doesnt work"
so if the tada has a case of the J.D.W.'s im gunna make columbine look like a fuckin joke
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What's the best choice for a linear mx mount switch that can be fitted with o-rings? I'm looking for something less stiff than cherry mx blacks (and obviously less shitty scratchy). Maybe gateron red equivalents?
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>>70207826
Gat yellows, lubed, maybe in MX housings to reduce wobble.
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>>70206449
KBDfans
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>>70207836
Thanks for the rec!
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>>70207805
this should help :^)
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AIwTQqp3cZXgKBM&cid=8101D1D32AF0020F&id=8101D1D32AF0020F%2122170&parId=8101D1D32AF0020F%2163594&o=OneUp
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>>70207840
That's the first place I checked, closest thing they have is a Dolch colors set with white lettering.
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Does anyone know the stock spring weight of retooled MX blacks? I might want to swap them to something like 65g.
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>>70208012
MX blacks bottom out around 80g, according to official specs.
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>>70207874
yep followed it to the letter
got everything setup and copied the file to the keyboard with it named FLASH.BIN and it still......
"JUST DOESNT WORK"
there are no signs of failure and the keyboard is obviously working
but any changes done to the bin file seem to just be reset as soon as i hit esc and test out the keyboard
i just want fucking media keys why does nothing fucking work for me
woe is fucking me
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gergoman when can I buy a case with a metal plate pls respond
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>>70200513
I have one of these, http://amzn.com/B073QPDZHQ, which is the black (color) version of the one you're thinking about getting. I currently use it at work.

I also have a Huo Ji X-2000 which is a slightly older model of the same keyboard, except with a non-detachable USB cable and the older style DIY Outemu Blue switches without the box-like dust cover surrounding the keycap stems.

The Outemu brown switches are obviously quieter than the Outemu blue switches. They're nowhere near silent, though.
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GMMK owners, what switches/keycaps do you use?
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>>70201607
Can I buy any of these new or are they vintage?
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>>70208986
>Switches
Varies. I usually keep BOX Navies on it but right now I have BOX Pinks
>Keycaps
DSA PBT Dolch from Aliexpress. I used to have the stock caps but they're actually pretty shit. PBT caps made this keyboard a lot more tolerable.
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Best tenkeyless at ~$100 shipped to USA? Was thinking about getting the durgod with mx blues or filco majestouch 2.
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>>70209017
Here's the kicker for this "hobby": vintage keyboards are generally on par with if not better than modern keyboards in terms of both quality and price.
In each case those keyboards are easily found on ebay, BTC in fact is extremely cheap.

>>70209060
Both of those are meh options, especially the durgod. Get a Ducky One 2 TKL or a Leopold FC750R.
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>>70190927
Love these things, requested one from IT to replace the stock chiclet one in my office years ago, and just yesterday cleaned up two more I got from work surplus on Friday.
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can anyone direct me to german boards and keycap sets?
I like the idea of tenkeyless with a function row

I hate the german layout because of having to use alt-gr to access | { } [ ] @ and few other things but my new job has german keyboards but
a) I'm almost never using the same computer
b) don't want the keyboard stolen
c) I just want to force myself to use the german layout
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Can you program the GMMK buttons to be like whatever you want like the Tada68?
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>>70210202
No, you can't.
Tada uses QMK iirc, the GMMK has a controller that isn't compatible.
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>>70210270
Is the GMMK compatible with anything for changing keyboard buttons? or is there a program that would allow you to do that on any keyboard? I just need media keys really and I hate that the GMMK compact lacks them.
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>>70210308
Not that I'm aware of, no. At least not while running some questionable 3rd party program in the background.
Not sure about the compact, but the GMMK TKL I have has the media keys bound to an FN layer out of the box, I'd check the manual to make sure it's not the case with the compact as well.
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I have a question for the HHKB owners in this thread.
Does the changed location of the backspace make it hard to move between keyboards, ie using library keyboards or is the change not that noticeable?
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>>70209079
Here's the kicker for "rubber domes": they fucking age with time so while their quality might have once been vastly superior to modern stuff, "vintage" rubber domes are gonna be dogshit.
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>>70210551
and yet BTC stop manufacturing their shit back in the 90's and people still call them one of the best, if not the best, rubber dome on the market. And all of that praise has really come about in the last 10 years or so.
I wonder what that means, considering all rubber must age like dogshit. I guess the community just has a time machine and that's where they get all the BTC dome keyboards.
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migrate when ready
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