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First for Fedora!
Second for suckless
>>69754834>zoomers don't even know what flash issad!
I’m trying to create a shared libraryI created the library, calledlibmylib.so.0.0.0and then ranldconfig -n .which created the librarylibmylib.so.0But aren’t I supposed to have a third one called libmylib.so? After copying the two files to /usr/local/lib, my compiler still couldn’t find the library.What do?
ldconfig -n .
Install Windows 10
>>69755838did you pass -I/usr/local/lib/?
>>69755898Stop recommending malware in the friendly thread.
>>69755900That would be -L/usr/local/lib, and no, I didn’t. It already looks in there. I’m linking against other libraries in it and it’s having no trouble with those
>>69755823he's mocking you for using proprietary software retard
>>69755838I've never made a library but I'm pretty sure you're only supposed to have 1 in the end. I thought any other variants (including the plain .so file without version number) were just symlinks to the one real one.I think that's the whole point. You have something like libmylib.so be a symlink which applications compile against (so they have libmylib.so hardcoded into the binary) and then if you later need to update the library you just adjust the symlink and now all the applications will get the new version without having to be recompiled.
>>69755942It can have 2 or 3 numbers at the end (major version, then minor version, then an optional release number)From what I’ve read, every file that doesn’t have 2 or 3 numbers at the end is an alias for the real one, which I assume would be the latest compatibile version.ldconfig created one of them (I think), but I want the other one too
>>69755938>letting a fat communist jew decide what programs you can run on your computer
>>69756070>GNU having any sort of restrictions on what you can install on your machine
>>69756070>about to cross the street>rms: watch out, a car is coming!>you: stop telling me what to do asshole!>run in front of car on purpose, die>your last breath: checkmate neckbeard!
>copy something from hard drive to external hard drive>everything slows downWhy is this happening? It doesn't matter if I use a graphical file manager or cp to copy files.
>>69756201You might want to have a look at "glances", something might show up there.
Where would you grab a prebuild gcc binary for embedded without a proper system?
>>69756986The fuck do you do on your computer? Just tell me
I've been wanting to switch to Linux for a while now, reason I wait so long is the compatibility for games. One of the games I play is Civ6 and on their FAQ it mentions Ubuntu 16.04 is needed, would that mean it's not runnable on Mint 19?
>>69757030Read, watch videos, programming, work with spreadsheets, some maths, writting (lots)>>69757035But I don't, I have this since years
Arch and its derivatives are all fundamentally retarded and a waste of time. Take the path of 'just werks' or go the rout of optimization. Arch is a shitty Frankenstein that tried to bring the two together and fails consistently in both aspects.
>>69756986How did you get xorg working on crux
>>69757184I just install it, you couldn't? This is the first time I hear a problem with xorg
>>69757118that just means "we only offer support for ubuntu 16.04", it doesn't necessarily mean it will only work on ubuntu 16.04, just that they won't help you if you aren't using that
>>69757035Fuck off, seriously. Ricing has only benefits: you learn your system, you make it look nice, you make it functional.There are only two reasons why one would not like ricing: you're a redditor in cool mode, or you are too stupid to riceNewfags: RICE! It's the best thing you can do in order to learn.
Can I get a 101 redpill on rice?
>Linux mint gets hacked>Ubuntu sucks Amazonian cockShould they both be avoided for a first timer?
>>69757403Tastes better with saffron
>>69757416Use Solus or Fedora then. Literally-works-distros.
>>69757433Would you ever cook it in an instant pot?
what email client, if any, do you use for linux?tried mailspring but it's' shit and expensive on resources.
>>69757509neomutt + offlineimap
>>69757445Is the idea here that I am retarded if I have an issue with ubuntu and their ties to Amazon while also using proprietary software?
>>69757467Seems, you'll never enjoy the feels of a nice, clean and organized desktop, well thought through key shortcuts and a powerleveled text editor.My OS bots in 8 seconds.I hit a shortcut and here's my text editor.Two more and here are all files containing ''h'I wrote one line of regex in vim and fix 20 header files at once while listening to my favorite music in FLAC over my network using netcat and mpd with a simple hotkey. While I'm selecting a new playlist, gcc is already finished; a nice espeak voice reminds me, I open a terminal that just fits my desktop in color ,mood and daytime and ram 2 chars, git push and shit's on air while I'm not even finished listening to the first song of my playlist you fucking newfag.
So i understand the whole constant back and forth arguing about systemd and why its bad/good but for the average user or average server is systemd big enough of a problem to actually avoid or is it possible to use it without running into any issues? Ive used both sysvinit and systemd and i havent really felt any difference between using both of them.
>>69757509Claws Mail is underrated.
>>69757579>8 secondsIs that with a tweaked kernel? I made mine and also use JFS as the filesystem and it boots in under 5 seconds, could be less if I disable some initscripts
>>69757579Nothing I do would ever require any of this.
more distros should use runitservice files shouldn't be more complicated than a shell script that ends by exec-ing the program
>>69757687I agree, and more people should try different inits
>>69757687No, we need all distros to use systemd so that game companies can have a consistent base to work with.
>>69757556No if you don't want to use Ubuntu or Mint, there are alternatives available.
>>69757725Bleh, if they all used AppImages that would be a lot better
>>69755679slut mascot for shit distro, checks out huh
Has anyone managed to fix the freezes on a Lenovo v510?I've tried everything on different distros, but I keep getting random freezes that force me to hard restart
Why is debian so much (f)un
>>69757771What kernel version?
>>69757593It makes no difference to you>>69756201Use Async transfer
>>69757848Which Linux version
Start using the GNU GIMP.
>>69757811I've tried several:18.104.22.168
>>69757889Sometimes I wonder if Stallman knows random people on the internet is collecting his pictures and edit them
>>69757905Have you checked the logs? Btw I think the prop nvidia driver is causing lockups, not sure if your laptop has a nvidia card or not, but you may try out nouveau or just disable it altogether for testing
Quick question: what is the mainframe and the gipson and why people want to hack it?
>>69742936It's Overchan (fork). It supports custom json themes and is available in F-droid.
is it possible to rsync a remote resource from a server located in separate network? I have ssh access to the network. Looking for something like:rsync ssh_username@ssh_host:ip_address:port/path/on/server
>>69756896>gcc>embeddedUse llvm and clang, both of which are way more optimized for arm then gcc
>>69757168>IO counted read a paragraph in 5 minutes and copy its commands verbatim so arch must be shit
I use manjaro kde (no bully) and I have this issue where it shows my phone as disconnected/not available.I looked it up and apparently this is a common issue with Nautilus, the only workaround is using KDE Connect to transfer files.Is this exclusive to manjaro or other distros with kde also have this?Will they ever fix it?
>>69758043I don't want to use clang. I want gcc.Shill your shit elsewhere.
>>69758086>shillYou're shilling gcc, aswell.
>>69758043>llvm and clangdo you even know the difference between these words? threre must be a reason you mention both, non?
>>69758028Yes, just Google rsync with ssh for examples
>>69758096I've asked for gcc, you came up with clang, something I don't care about.
>>69757950It uses Intel integrated graphics 620And the logs don't show anything that repeats itself before every crash.BTW I'm using it on a m2 SSD. Any chance this might cause it?
>>69758131it's not me >>69758157, and googling for examples is not that bad of an advicethe resource I want to obtain (and keep updated) as an website available only on the local network (which I want to ssh into). Does it complicate things in any way?
>>69758199so, where to? OpenBSD?
>>69758178nvm, I'm retarded; just realized what I'm actually trying to do. I think I have the general idea, will post results when I succeed.
Kernel 5.0/5.1 when?
>>69758215When did a CoC become an user exodus reason? It's only for the project members.
>>69758236you mean linux?
Why are so many people scared to call Linux 'Linux' to extremes that they resort to alternatives like calling it 'the kernel'? Give credit, faggots. Linus did a whole lotta work here and he called his work 'Linux'. Don't be assholes by calling his work 'the kernel', making it look like it's just some side project, made by some random hobbyist.
>>69757509Related, any email client like mailspring that doesnt download all my emails locally?I'm only using mailspring because I don't want to download thousands of emails I'll most often not want to see
What.s the current meme file manager? Is it still rangee?
>>69755823>19-22y old fuckboi 1. not understanding my point 2. calling me a zoomer 3. uses a trump shitposting 4. so obsessed about it he replies cross thread 5.>>69756070>6. uses le ebin /pol/ communist jew argumentOn scale from 1-10 on the "should you kill yourself with all due haste" you get 15
>>69758244When sjw's get privilege on code and censorship over actual developers who only care about technical superiority
How would I go about fixing the issue with libcrypto.so.1.0.0 here?
>>69757918He knows, some anon asked him about it. He called them "rms face hackers". He even responded to a few images saying the "nice proprietary software faggot" one offends him and the "they said save us stallman, I said GNO" is not true, he is always willing to help.
>>69758454Your system libs updated and what ever program you're running in run.sh needs to be recompiled against the new lib
>>69758433So never?Look at Linux. Is any SJW in control? No. Devs approvided the CoC on their own. Look up who signed it. Now go back to /pol/ with your alternative reality nightmates.
>>69755679Is there a collection of these anime logo vectors anywhere? I've seen the arch logo with aqua but it's the first time I've seen Debian with maki. Are there more?
>>69758486I'm collecting. Currently I have Arch, Debian and GuixSD versions.
>>69758484Greg pushed Linus out and made him take a month off. In which coc was pushed with no confirmation from the Linux Foundation, who is the one that has to deal with all the issues relating to coc.
I don't know jack shit about executable files in Linux, so maybe someone of you can help me?I'm trying to run OpenRCT2, but I only have a "shared library" file which, when I double click on it, asks what program I want to run it with. How do I turn this into an executable? I don't really feel like running it through the terminal everytime.
>>69758486Here my collection. there are, however bonus frogs,shilling certain distros included: http://0x0.st/zzMD.zip
>>69758838>have real book>can't click linkIt's a trap.
Recommend me a nice lightweight LXQt distro. I like KDE well enough but would prefer something a little lighter and still Qt based to LXQt seems like a natural choice. Artix is pretty good, but I use some software that requires systemd (yikes, I know), so right now I’m testing Lubuntu 18.10 and Sparky Linux. Anything else I should consider?
>>69758925You don't actually pay for the book. What you pay goes into the FSF donation tip and then right into the revolution.
I've been using linux for the last couple months and my PC is randomly freezing and nothing works, only hard reset.I've tried multiple distros and the problem persists in all distros.I am currently using arch.What should I do to figure out what is wrong?
How can I remove a package but keep the dependencies that other packages need?specifically I want to remove gnome but I think mate requires some packages from gnome and I need to keep those.
what is a good nonsystemd distro that is lightweight enough for a 300$ laptop?ubuntu just doezent werk anymore and i want to get rid of the botnetthis is on my sisters laptop btw i insist she uses linux because she has everything it needs and she used to fuck up her windows install all the time
>>69759103If its for your sister why do you care about systemd?And what do you mean by "Ubuntu just doesn't werk anymore"?
>>69759011What are your hardware specs?
>>69759103is she cute
>>69759103Artix>>69759099What distro / package manager?apt remove application (not purge), then reinstall anything missing dependencies should work
>>69759250the ui is too laggyand because i cant stand the botnet at all>>69759261yes,we are a very pretty family>>69759276>>69759277ty
I've started using sway wm (on Fedora), and it's really comfy, but I want to also stop using gdm to lock the screen. I'm fine with manually running startx and the like, but how do I lock the screen in a comfy gnome-free way? (btw no, I will not use slock because it doesn't show what you're typing.)
>>69759337>ui is too laggyNot a distro issue, that's because of the DE.>I can't stand the botnetSystemD is 100% free software. The complaints about it are that it breaks Unix philosophy, not that it collects data.
>>69759103DevuanWhy does it matter whether or not it has systemd?
>>69759401>I can't stand the botnetAnon is talking about Ubuntu not systemd
>>69759103Literally just use ubuntu or a different desktop environment derivative I feel like whenever systemd is mentioned in a post its trolling now from someone new to linux, the reasoning for some things is so weird
>>69755679So what productivity tools you guys are using?I've realized that I have nothing but Libre Calc, that I use the same way I would use Excel for productivity.I also got Calibre for e-books, and post-it notes, but that's my maximum.
>>69759253Not sure how detailed specs you need?I have AMD Ryzen 5 cpu and Radeon RX 580 GPU...
so, i've got this 2008 22" imac and wanted to install gnu/linux on it. both, ubuuntu 16.04 and fedora didn't recognize the wifi card and i could'nt find a solution for this. any tips on i should install post-setup to make it work?
>>69759571Cool edgy name (therefore gaining popularity), shit distro. Sold as 'le better arch',but what do you get? No packages, no benefits whatsoever and a mene musl port.Don't fall for Void, newfags. It's a dead end.
How do I do everything from the terminal to be 1337?
>>69758991>then right into the revolution.You mean the FSF bound members wallets who take in over 300K a year salary."You dont need money to create code"
>>69759839Start learning bash.How? Find a project. The best IMHO is your very own screenfetch. It teaches you not only how to use coreutils to sculp text, but also the proc filesystem.Just start. Got a question? We're here.
>>69759845Go astroturf somwhere else.
>>69755679redpill me on alpine linuxalternatively suggest me a distro to use on a shitbox (laptop) server, with a lightweight init.
>>69760063Alpine Linux is a fine distro for embedded systems, routers and especially docker; anything you don't actually interact with. I would not recommended it for the desktop.For a lightweight basic GNU/Linux distro, I'd recommend:- a netinstall with Xfce DE- a netinstall with OpenBox WM- new? Look onto xubuntu- old? Look into dwm
>>69757416Install Debian or Devuan if you don't mind older packages. No shilling for amazon shit there
>>69757795Could be even more fun if we could kick some sjws out of there but it's a distro from burgerland so can't escape american politics
>>69758940xfce is the most lightweight and comfiest DE. Other than that, install i3 or something, lots of documentation so it's easy to setup. You don't need to rice it too if you don't want.
>>69760057"You see Free Software has been so successful because we have shown we can develop software without any money." --Richard M. Stallman: The Dangers of Software Patents (2004-05-24)Then why does everyone in the FSF take a huge salary from donations? Including stallman? He LITERALLY stays alive from people donating to him, he LITERALLY does nothing else to contribute to society
Where do you guys install Firefox to?I have been lazy previously and just dropped it into my desktop/home folder. Is there somewhere better?I would like the system to be able to recognise it if it helps in any way
>>69760238install it using your package manager
>>69760228Nothing you're able to see because you're closing your eyes on purpose.
>>69760297So these offical earning reports are a figment of my imagination?Why are 2 people taking THREE SALARIES?FSF tax exempt filing report is a figment of my imagination?https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2007/412/165/2007-412165986-036368a0-9.pdf
>>69760294shit I meant Nightly.>>69760293is that also for Nightly?
>>69760352holy shit this is what /fglt/ gets for shilling for kikes
>>69760352Take your gng shit and fuck off.
>>69755679What's the best terminal to learn terminal?
>>69760497I'm posting the literal forms that FSF sent to the government.Is that some COGNITIVE DISSONANCE i sense from your chair? Cold hard facts do not lie, no matter how bad they are for your agenda
>>69760122was just gonna ssh from my void machinethanks for the tips tho>>69760172I may, thanks fren
>>69760411>>69760352>the jews! they want to take control over our minds and our money! help!
>>69759773What type of storage are you using? SSD? M2 or sata?What filesystem are you using?
>>69760746No where did i say anything about jewsStallmand has said:"You see Free Software has been so successful because we have shown we can develop software without any money." --Richard M. Stallman: The Dangers of Software Patents (2004-05-24)Then why are its board members taking 3 salaries and earning over 300k? Their lawyer pulls in over 500k.Where is this money coming from if the fsf dosent need money to create code?
Do not know where I'm supposed to ask this so I will do it here.I want to play games in linux, more precisely, Dark Souls III, but I can't open it, when I run it with proton a white box appears and my cursor changes but a couple seconds later it crashes.I tried with proton 3.16.6-beta, 3.16.4, 3.7.8 and 3.7.8-beta and they all do the same. I use debian, if it matters.
>shady systemd adoption>Ian dies>demotes guys because they used the wrong pronunsWhy did Debian turned to shit? I enjoyed it.
>>69761311the future belongs to IBM and Alphabet
>>69761046>reddit spacing>lesbianOS>wants to play gameskekklesgrow up; alternatively dual-boot/use GPU passthrough.
If I'm using OpenVPN on Debian, how would I exclude specific domains from using the VPN and instead use my normal connection when accessing them via a browser? For example, 4chan.org, 4channel.org and youtube.com.
>>69761478Are you retarded?
>>69761046Leave it while you still can. But either dual boot or gpu-passthrough as anon said. I personally dual boot for games, it's annoying but if you want good performance you don't have much choice for some
>>69760172This shit is comfy, should have tried it a long time ago. Thanks dude (different person than you replied to btw)
>>69761452>dosent know what a paragraph is or how to use them.
>>69757687This is why OpenRC is so good
>>69758940Any distro can be made as lightweight as any other
>>69760385You can find a nightly repo, I'm sure
>>69760228>he literally does nothing else to contribute to societyGotta be bait.The work he has already done has contributed LOADS to society.
>>69761988Besides, the FSF also handle the GNU software, hence why a Google would donate to them.
What is the endgame with Arch? When are you finished with it? Is there like a final boss or something?
>>69761452>>69761493I'd only dual-boot if I'd have to. If Proton could run something well, then why quit and run back to the Windows train?What I do is have most games on Linux, and the occasional game that won't work well in Proton or is outside Steam anyways on Windows. And currently now, The only games I got on Windows are BF V, Titanfall 2, and Planetside 2. I think that's all I have on there, not too much. Everything else I have installed is on my KDE Neon installation.
>>69757687>exec-ing the programOr do sv down. Or remove the symlink in /var/service.
>>69761311>demotes guys because they used the wrong pronunsShut up, you're making me want to use it, even though I don't like Debian for the adoption of systemd
>>69761988He hasent contributed anything since 1981,when he FORKED emacs and published it as his own under gpl.That's it, been over 30 years and he has contributed nothing positive to society.
What happens when you do:ssh-keygen -B 3333Is that an invalid command? Is no algorithm selected?
>>69762038Google uses LLVM+clang, over 5 billion devices surrently using non gnu software to run their Linux kernel.Do you know who else using llvm and clang?>Chromium>Mozilla>AndroidBet you didnt know you were using llvm or clang :)
>>69762295Prove me wrong then.
>>69762205Yeah? So? And Chrome OS has glibc and bash. I would focus more on the fact though that Google really likes GNU/Linux in a more internal sense, like their ol' Goobuntu for a long time.Also llvm/clang is even used on some GNU/Linux systems, I mean, if you use Rust, you're using LLVM.
>>69762310Not him but do man lsAlso stop trolling
>>69762344LOL so the only thing has has done is write a manual?(decades ago?)You're proving my point>trollingI am posting valid verified facts and quotes. I am not trolling, i am discussing information(facts)
>>69762310Your time is wrong. GNU started in 1983, along with the Emacs fork at around at most a year later. He was involved in its design for a long time then afterwards, until 1992. Then around 2008 he stopped programming, but that's long after 1992, which was long after 1981.> My favorite programming languages are Lisp and C. However, since around 1992 I have worked mainly on free software activism, which means I am too busy to do much programming. Around 2008 I stopped doing programming projects. As a result, I have not had time or occasion to learn newer languages such as Perl, Python, PHP or Ruby. https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
>>69762451>>69762310And to add further, a lot of his later works was dealing with Emacs, but that's still a program many depend on to write code, besides the VS Codes, Kates, Notepad++'s, Vis, and Vims of the world.
>>69762310>GCC>GDB>Emacs (he basically took a tape editor and turned it into a fully functioning editor)>GPL>duplicated the output of a team of programmers at Bell Labs to create the coreutils>published a paper on intelligent backtracking with Sussman>convinced countries like Brazil and India to adopt FOSS>helped get the International Music Score Library Project back online
>>69762481>>69762310Well, later in the sense of post-1992.
Stallman wrote most of the Coreutils, which is why we have free software in the first timeStuff like Linux was made using software written by Stallman
>>69755679just got a cheap craptop to install shit on, I want to dual boot Slackware and OpenBSD but I odn't know which would be better suited out of the two for pentesting stuff.I know Kali exists but I want to take a stab at learning pentesting from the approach that the masters had, before all of these tools were widely available. Want to condition myself to think lower level, less "what tool could do this" and more "what do I need to code to do this?" kind of thinking.It's incredibly dumb I know. but I feel like wasting my time like this and it's my time so I get to choose how I waste it.
Notice how the same idiot shitposting against the GNU project always change to mention BSD when he is losing
>>69762493>GCC Deprecated>GDBDeprecated>emacsDeprecatedOnly 70 year old men still use emacs and they are dying out>all the other shitIrrelevant to modern society>>69762481>emacsA shit program that was the DEFINITION of feature creep until systemd came out>>69762451Still 30 years of not contributing to anything positive in society>free software activismAKA i will shout at some random people i discoverd on the internet that were doing things THE WRONG WAY and force them to comply or i will write blogs about them daily and defame and libel them till they switchYeah cool, not usefull
>>69762563Just a typical fanboy.The best Linux is a mixture of BSD and GNU. :) Void Linux is the biggest example of approaching that direction, it uses many elements of BSD systems like mandoc and LibreSSL. You can even remove sudo and install doas, and install OpenBSD's shell. And NetBSD's WTF.
Now he is just baitingReport dont reply
>>69755823are you autistic
>>69762608I honestly wouldn't care to talk about specific tools and what they have to offer, I would love to talk about the differences actually, but the troll is always such a bigot no serious conversation can happen :(
>>69762594>A shit program that was the DEFINITION of feature creep until systemd came outExcept it's a self-defined program rather than a spider-web attached to multiple things. Also it's more because of the crazy extensibility of Emacs than anything else, since I think that all those included functions like web browsing are basically plugins. Not sure though.>Still 30 years of not contributing to anything positive in society2018 minus 30 is 1988. Still got four years left.>AKA i will shout at some random people i discoverd on the internet that were doing things THE WRONG WAY and force them to comply or i will write blogs about them daily and defame and libel them till they switchStallman isn't the modern blogavist. He has an organization and proper talks rather than just making tweets and blog posts.
>>69762676>>Stallman isn't the modern blogavist.HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAI was going to answer the rest of your post but this got m ehttps://stallman.org/>Last post 10 February 2019The LITERALLY definition of a blogavistCheck its BLAG, where he promotes pedophilia and defames and wishes death upon people he has never met solely because they dont want to give away everything they created and have spent their lives supporting, ALL BECAUS STALLMAN DOSENT UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY AND HASENT LEARNED COMMUNISM DOSNT WORK
>>69762594>>emacs>A shit program that was the DEFINITION of feature creep until systemd came outsystem init != text editor
>>69762746emacs is a feature creep retardsystem is a feature creep emacs was the first feature creep programnow it was superseded by systemdLearn formal logic
>>69762650Well, I'd recommend watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo if we want to talk about another controverisal piece of software, even when I'm not a fan of systemd the video makes some good points and goes also into detail why just throwing out a project and calling it "garbage" isn't the right way to do things, and that you can actually learn from it and perhaps make an init system with the good elements of systemd, without all the bullshit spider-webbing it has. It rel;ates though by in particularly talking about how many in tech just like to diss on software without much of a good reason, or doing it without also being rational and learning from the other side to make something that works for everyone.
>>69762759He meant that Emacs is less dangerous with its feature creep. It's a text editor. Otherwise I wouldn't use Firefox or any modern browser either, too many features. Just dwm, st, and lynx.>HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA I was going to answer the rest of your post but this got m e https://stallman.org/First, he doesn't JUST do that. That's what I said. Second, it's less like a blog, and more like him covering certain topics and today's news in more of a listing style. A blog would have dated posts and lengthy opinion pieces, not "oh this happened, not good" and links to a petition or a undated writing about how Netflix is evil. At the very least it's a pretty unconventionally done blog.
>>69762644meant for >>69762613
>>69762676stop replying to him. He's baiting.
Stop replying to the idiot. He's baiting. This is the *friendly* GNU/Linux thread.
>>69762844Alrighty then.I got to admit I fall for too much bait, but I can't stand stupid.
>>69762866>but I can't stand stupidThat's how they get you. They ignore what you say and post absurd or retarded points. You see it as an easy post to call out, but that's the allure. They'll keep replying with stupid shit as long as you do.
>>69761920i thought that was another sysvinit clone>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Working/Initscripts#Layout
>>69762891No, it can be used in conjunction with sysvinit if ya want though
Anyone know out of Slackware and OpenBSD, which one would be better/more suited toward pentesting?I know Kali is a thing but I want to condition myself to think more lower level, less "what tool could do this" and more "what do I need to code to do this?" kind of thinking.It's incredibly dumb I know. but I feel like wasting my time like this and it's my time so I get to choose how I waste it.
>>69762821>making a post,multiple times daily,on an internet website in which you discuss current events and your personal take on the woes of the worldSure the fuck sounds like a god damn blog to me.>emacsHaving so many plugins is an attack vector in which any plethora of means could be taken to exploit the system.>its a text editorHere is a list of plugins i found GOOGELING "list of emacs plugins"Here is the link https://github.com/emacs-tw/awesome-emacs>just a text editor https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryWebBrowser
I'm separating a customer's mysql server from an old system with both apache2 and mysql running. Icopied the /var/lib/mysql directory to the new standalone mysql server.But now when I'm trying to make inserts using my application's web interface I can't write for some reason. I think the applicaiton is still listening to the old mysql server on localhost for some reason (I locked the old db). The mysql user permissions are all correct.I'm not using IP addresses in my PHP connector so I didn't change that file at all. I simply assigned the mysql server IP to the new server and deleted it off of the old one.Can someone help a brother out? What am I missing? I even flushed the ARP tables.
>>69762526It's poetic, I like it. Either could be fine, imho, especially if you intend to write your own exploits or scripts.
>>69762888Yep, I know. I don't get what's sop fun about baiting though, all you see is words of anger in the end, all it is a bunch of text of some pissed off person. If I want to annoy someone, I'd just torture some relative of mine. At least they understand it's a joke and all's well in the end.
>>69762764Waste of time. He is obviously defending systemd.
>>69762335>Chrome OS has glibc and bash.Bash is not a core part of the os, you can use bash with many different types of load outs.It is irrelevant what SHELL the os uses.ChromeOS has been using LLVM suite for many years. Anything on arm or arm64 is using llvm>Also llvm/clang is even used on some GNU/Linux systemsNo, if you use llvm, you are not longer using gnu. It is LLVM/Linux
>>69763001thanks, any idea which would be better suited as my personal OS then? atm I'm kinda feeling slackware as OpenBSD supposedly has better security but idk really
>>69763072I'd say Slackware, but mostly because I'm not used to OpenBSD.
>>69763040Indeed he is. Because it does fix many problems. Some of them are also fixed by the likes of runit and s6, but still, in the context of "sysvinit/openrc vs systemd" systemd does have its advantages. Besides it does use Linux features pretty well. Learning from even some of its more controversial advantages would benefit many alternatives, as long as they do it in a certain fashion that still preserves the idea of Unix modularity. The good news though is that some of those features are as modules other inits can use, and runit, OpenRC-init, and s6 are pretty modern and have many features that systemd also has. Which BTW, it's unfortunate that the speaker doesn't elaborate on runit or s6, and just focuses on sysvinit, which is a pile of crap anyways.
>>69763066I guess I'm not using GNU/Linux anymore...
I need to replace windows 7 on my ThinkPad x201 with something. I want it to just werk without any cmdjitsu. Talk me out of installing Ubuntu in 1 hour.
>>69763116If we are to take whatever ideas systemd claims it has and produce a minimal init then I suggest Finit. I have not test it but the developer claims to be doing the best of both worlds.
>>69763165Linking to their github https://github.com/troglobit/finitI'll be trying this out in the next week.
>>69763164Solus is nifty and stable.
>>69761918>a paragraph>how to use them>a>them
Am i retarded or does crontab not work? Ive tried crontab under the /etc/ crontab file, by doing crontab - <user> -e but shits not working. But i got it to work once for a hello thing
>>69763153apt list -i *llvm*:)
>>69763534Well, still a bit of a beginner with the cli.
>>69763483Don't ever use crontab as root. Crontab is the root's own, main cron file. Instead, create one cron file for each service in /etc/cron.d/ - like /etc/cron.d/mysql.For unix user cronjobs, there is /var/spool/cron/crontabsEach user with shell access has access to crontab. The user crontabs are saved there.
I'm trying to exec redshift in my .xinitrc but for some reason it doesn't go off. The only other thing I have is exec mate-session.And if I put redshift above mate-session, the DE will not start at all, whats going on here?
>>69760901M2 and ext4
>>69763915>exec redshiftexec replaces the currently running shell with the program you specify, you can only use it once in a scriptdo something like redshift --your-args & instead (the ampersand runs the command in the background instead of waiting for it to exit before running the next command)you typically use exec for the session or a window manager at the end of an .xinitrc
redshift --your-args &
Anyone else had trouble compiling ungoogled-chromium on Gentoo?
>>69763164Ubuntu is fine, you might want xubuntu though
How much do you need to know about linux and programming to use kali?
>>69764528None, but we can tell you want to be a l33t haxx0r so you can fuck off
>>69760352What a bunch of bullshitting cunts. The philosophy of free software is a lie.
>>69758066pls answer me, I unironically like kde but I also want to transfer files without being limited to wifi
Gentoofags, what LDFLAGS do you use? For me it's LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,relro,-z,now,-z,defs,-z,combreloc,--sort-common,--as-needed,--gc-sections,-O1,--hash-style=gnu"
>>69765062what are ldflags
>>69758455He's so cute.>why am I standing in the center of the hudson river?>and why am I wearing gloves?
>>69755898I’ll install Windows 10 as soon as they make it free, remove Candy Crush from the installation, and improve general performance by 50%
Whats the most user friendly RMS approved distro ?
>>69762091Since you're from Arch, try it without nonfree software and go Parabola, look into Gentoo, Slackware, make a LFS setup, try NixOS and GuixSD, inbetween check out some obscure things, try Source Mage, try security focused distros, and pentesting distros. The final boss is sticking to the distro you like most.
Guix is going to take over everything and every other distro isn't?
why is some software missing from debian stable and buster backportswhy is some software missing from buster? i keep running into roadblocks like this with debian. should i move to a rolling release distro?
>>69765693Some declarative package manager is (or definitely should). They fix so much and just "feel" right.The more you think about it too the more the concept of distro even starts to break down with those package managers. They just get their stuff straight from github or whatever the original source is and builds it. Repos are nothing but a convenience service.The equivalent of entire distros (like Ubuntu spinoff distros) could be reproduced with mere text files instead of ISO's.It's too bright of a future to not happen. Although which one will win in the end? Maybe Guix, maybe Nix, maybe something else? Or maybe none of them will win and everyone will basically just pick whichever one uses the language they prefer.
7z wont take my password in the terminali've uzed -pPASSWORDbut it never takes itRunning it via file-roller accepts the same passwordThat the fuck?
>>69765754I just watched a conference and they just use Scheme for everything. Scheme man, for the configuration, for the package management, for the init, for the fucking initramfs! And they make it look easy.I wasn't expecting to be so versatile and have so many options, I should have expected when I heard they were using a Lisp but they use pure Scheme. Is not a domain specific language so they can do whatever they want.Don't know what to do, I was betting all my focus on a distro to configure it from the ground up and it wasn't Guix. Now I just saw what they can do and I am hesitating if I keep the path I was planning or wait until they release 1.0.
>>69765761Try without -p, I guess it's just for setting a password. You should get a prompt asking for the pw like with sudo.
How do I configure 'Send to MPV'? It's already installed, plugin and script. I'm stuck on 'The external media player is not found...' I'm on Firefox btw.
>>69765866Use the open with addon. It's comfy, mpv works and allows additional programs.
>>69765751Move to fedora, you'll probably like it
>>69765885Thanks, anon. I'll check it out!
>>69765846I have alot of files and i want to be able to extract them in one swift go.When used with "e" or "x" extraction switching it sets the password for extraction use. If you used "a" it would set the password for any files you create.
Successfully initialized wpa_supplicantnl80211: Could not configure driver modenl80211: deinit ifname=enp0s25 disabled_11b_rates=0enp0sd25: Failed to initialize driver interfacehow do I fix this
Successfully initialized wpa_supplicantnl80211: Could not configure driver modenl80211: deinit ifname=enp0s25 disabled_11b_rates=0enp0sd25: Failed to initialize driver interface
>>69765885Done. What command should I put in? I can't find MPV in /urs/lib/
is it sudough or sudoo
>>69766094I don't think you need the full path, but if you need it, run: which mpv
>>69766113>>69766131is su -c you bloatniggers
>>69766128Are you talking about this?https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/open-with/?src=search
are all you retards just using ubuntu or debian? none of you seem like you know anything
i am better than you
>>69766231no you arent i use arch
What CC_FLAGS do you guys use?For me it's-march=native -Ofast -Wall -Wextra -pipe
Who left the door open?
>>69766245>archNeither of you are better
if you use any distro with systemd you shouldn't be here
>>69766036Recompile your colonel with the driver enabled
>>69765891is fedora more based than kubuntu?
>>69766256>-march=native -OfastWhat do you do with all the microseconds you're saving?
>>69766283thanks but the problem was I was using the wrong interface. interestingly the interface that works isn't even listed in ip link
>>69766256CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -fPIC -DPIC -fPIE -fno-plt -fno-avx -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fstack-protector-strong -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat=2 -mllvm -polly -fopenmp -flto=thin"
CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -fPIC -DPIC -fPIE -fno-plt -fno-avx -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fstack-protector-strong -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat=2 -mllvm -polly -fopenmp -flto=thin"
>>69766318You forgot the extra safety I get with -Wall -Wextra
>>69766323Cheers, I'll copy some of these.>-O3Do you ever get problems with this? I mean, you *shouldn't* get any weird issues...
Reminder: if you're compiling software on an SSD, make sure you're compiling in RAM by mounting it onto a tmpfs.
>>69766354Been building with it for 3+ years built in to the system compiler options and i've never had a compile problem,from that switch
>>69766379you forgot to type a message
>>69766379Are you implying I'm dumb by suggesting that?
>Are you implying I'm dumb by suggesting that?
>>69766367Its not 2005 anymore, ssd's will last longer then your cpu, youll be forced by planned obselence to replace it to even be able to browse the web.youll get 2 petabytes out of your drive before it throws faults.tmpfs is slow and even if you had 128gb of it your system would cache 90% of it and your tmps will cause system hangups as it pages out of memory on to your disk cache anyhow
is there a way to make the 'ls' command output the "full" file names? Full as in if there are symbols or spaces that need to have a backslash for them, it outputs the backslashes as wellor is there some other command that does that?
>>69766226the majority of Linux kernel devs use Ubuntu GNU/Linux you absolute neon.
>>69766459yeh guess that must mean the average user of ubuntu knows much more than any other distroretard
>>69766454>is there a way to make the 'ls' command output the "full" file names?ls --literal --show-control-chars>or is there some other command that does that?find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -printf '%P\n'
>>69765828What a time to be alive
>>69766300Well if you like KDE specifically the fedora implementation of it probably isn't something to go head over heels for, after all it isn't their focus (that is systemd/gnome3/flatpaks,etc). You might be interested in KDE Neon though
Do you ever get the feeling /fglt/ has a troll whose sole mission is being anti-GNU or shilling BSD or systemd?
What's a good image/album manager? In general I just want to tag, make/browse albums, find untagged images and do different kinds of sorting (by tag, date, randomize). I've tried gThumb, KPhoto, digiKam and Shotwell. Shotwell was the best so far, but it's really limited when it comes to sorting (no randomize).tl;dr - what's a good tool to manage my comic/porn library that's good with tagging and can randomize.
>>69766486Those don't output what I wantWhat I'm looking for is a way to display the full file name such that I could just put it into to mcomix and it would open it so the spaces in the file names would have to be backspaced out (?don't know what this actually is called)The full context of what I'm doing is trying to write a command in one line that would pick a random file in the folder and open it in mcomixSo far what i've come up with is thismcomix $(ls | shuf -n 1)but since the output of ls isn't the actual file name with the backslashes, it doesn't work if there are spaces in the names.
>>69766561geeqie has a rudentiary tagging/collectio nsystem>hydrusDONT USE HYDRUS IT WILL INFECT YOUR SYSTEM IF AIDS AND RANDOMLY UPLOAD YOUR COLLECTION WITHOUT BEING ASKEDIt's dev is also fucking retarded and puts 1-2 weeks of git commits in to ONE HUGE COMMIT instead of properly using git
>>69766426>tmpfs is slowIt literally runs in RAM. Are you implying that an SSD will be faster than DIMM RAM? Even if it is in the page cache, the page cache *is in RAM*.There's a reason Intel is pushing their new Optane NVDIMM devices, and the kernel DAX subsystem.>even if you had 128gb of it your system would cache 90% of itThat's bullshit. Source? Firstly, there tends to be a limit of about 50% of your RAM before swapping it out. >and your tmps will cause system hangups as it pages out of memory on to your disk cache anyhowLike I said earlier, there's a limit. It's also unlikely to be crossed if you have a modern system with plenty of RAM, and it also depends on how big whatever it is you're compiling is.Even the Gentoo wiki has a page recommending mounting /var/tmp/portage onto a tmpfs for SSDs.
>>69766570that wouldn't work anyway, you need to do this: mcomix "$(ls | shuf -n 1)"
>>69766459Greg Kroah-Hartman uses Arch + AwesomeWM.
>>69766370No weird run time problems either?
>>69766575hydrus is a good idea with shit implementation
>>69766591>sourceTry building webkit,chromium,firefox,gtk in a tmpfs and watch your system crawl.Sure, if you have 5 mb of source code, not a problem, but the big programs that would "gain" the most from a tmpfs, will also fuck your system up if you dont watch it>limitChange your vm cache and vm pressure all you want, that limit will be found and pushed over
>>69766616No, no random crashes, no random segfaults, no random memory corruption. Its all smooth sailingObviously is more noticeable with larger programs.
>>69766587Alright, I'll try geeqie next. Thank you!If you have any other suggestions, please share
>>69766570>>69766604>ls | shufAre you serious?
>>69766637I literally built Chromium in a tmpfs last night, after building it on my NVMe SSD. I've got 32GB of DDR4-3200 RAM. It was faster in the tmpfs.
>>69766604oh that made it work, thanks
>>69766570You are running ls for no reason. Use shuf -e *, or shuf -en1 * for a single result. All the escaping jazz does the shell for you when you use quotes.Concrete: mcomix "$(shuf -en1 *)"
mcomix "$(shuf -en1 *)"
>>69766587I gave it a glance. Not really what I'm looking for either.I'll go with Shotwell for now. The only thing it's missing is a randomize function.
>>69766793if it weren't dead I'd say fspot. if all else fails you could run adobe bridge through wine. because aside from being a resource hog, bridge is probably exactly what you want
>>69760385>shit I meant Nightly.so?aur/firefox-nightly 67.0a1.20190128-1 (+551 3.75%) Standalone Web Browser from Mozilla — Nightly build (en-US)
aur/firefox-nightly 67.0a1.20190128-1 (+551 3.75%) Standalone Web Browser from Mozilla — Nightly build (en-US)
What company sell laptop fully compatible with 100% libre GNU/Linux distribution?