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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>i7 8700/K or i7 9700K - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti
>R7 2700/X or i9 9900K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>8GB RX 570, RX 580, and GTX 1060 are standard choices
>RTX 2060 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
1440p
>RTX 2060 is standard
>RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 is standard
>RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>https://rentry.co/pcbg-more

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Whats the point of intel optaine memory? should i even have it installed?
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whats the difference between TUF-Z390-PLUS-GAMING-WI-FI vs TUF-Z390-PLUS-GAMING-WI-FI
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That anyone is building Intel based systems at the moment is surprising but it completely unbelievable that a person that considers themselves a tech person would be doing anything other than going all in on AMD.
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>>69753424
anon i think you posted 2 of the same mobos
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CNDK2XG?ref_=pe_623860_70668520_dpLink

thoughts on this monitor? for photo/video editing + gayming
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Why do people put this custom paper on their drives? Shit looks fucking ugly
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>>69753339
Every time I see it, I'm angry. I hope this kid got murdered in his sleep.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DsvqfH

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xN2bYT

I can't decide which one
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>>69753624
i know youre memeing but dont get a rosewill psu
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>>69753339
I appreciate you using the better OP, but next time wait until the old thread hits its bump limit, which is 310 posts.
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>>69753645

it seems like beginner pc building is all about following the memes. and i'll follow that advice. who should i go with?
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Wait for Zen 2. Wait for Navi. If you can't wait you can build a compatible machine with a $100 Ryzen 2200g to get you by until then.
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>>69753339
>starting a new thread before bump limit so you can keep your shill OP
cringe kys intel shill
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Getting some parts on Tuesday, should I review the manuals for each of the parts while I wait for the other or save it all for when it’s a complete package?
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>>69753339
Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-9700k/8700k - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti | If you can't afford to spend 350 dollar on a CPU go with AMD.
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3400CL16 is ideal
>All AMD chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>GTX 1060, RX 570, RX 580 for older or less demanding titles
>RTX 2060 thanks to 6gb VRAM is only good as a short-term solution; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56
1440p
>RTX 2070; consider 1070/Ti or Vega 56 ONLY if on sale
>RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerate and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4k)
>RTX 2080
>RTX 2080 Ti is better, but very expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>https://rentry.co/pcbg-more
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>>69753761
>POWER USAGE BAD
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>>69753764
Youre gonna look
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>>69753624
Buy either the 1440p build or use the same platform (i7 8700 and 2x 8GB RAM) in the 1080p build
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Which 2080 Ti will give me the best blend of performance, quiet/silence, temperature, and power consumption? There's about 20 versions of the same GPU. I don't care about the price I just want something that won't sound like a helicopter and don't want my GPU to light on fire.
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>>69753767
>seething
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>>69753761
where's the 9700?
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>>69753497
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D7W39KF/?coliid=I1X4YH9OXOD83E&colid=3BR7UT4V1M4DY&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
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>>69753795
In a dumpster with the rest of intels lineup
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>>69753741
Reminder you can get a 2700x and a solid mobo for $350 from microcentre. $300 for a 2600x
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>>69753348
If you needed it or wanted it, you'd know. Optane memory is not too relevant in 2019 anymore. If you have a SSD, you wouldn't notice the difference and if you do not have one, the money would be better invested in a SSD instead.

>>69753497
What the hell is Pixio supposed to be? That is some chinese company pretending to be a brand. You most likely won't get any support and the product might have weird flaws. There is no reason to purchase this over a Dell or iiyama monitor. Don't get this crap, you only purchase a screen once every 7-10 years at the most, do you think saving a few bucks makes sense?

>>69753624
Keep the 8400 from the cheaper build but pair it with 16GB of memory and a 2070 (or 2080, for the 27", maybe better to get a used 1080(ti) cheaper).

Get a mainboard based on the features you need, Z370 is good but if you don't need Wifi, don't get a special version with Wifi. (Since one has Wifi and the other doesn't, I am assuming you do not actually need it). You are just paying extra for unused features.

Maybe switch out the GPU for Seasonic, I do not know Rosewill and they are rarely reviewed anywhere. You don't wanna purchase a nasty surprise...

Switch out the SSD at least for a Crucial P1. Upgrade to 1TB. Same 5 year warranty, and really good value, but write speeds of 1.6GB/s instead of 550MB/s. (Check that the mainboard has at least one M2 slot where it says PCIe or NVMe support!)

That build will sit in between the two when it comes to pricing and still be good enough for gaming on the 27" screen, with at least the benefit of faster storage.
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>>69753788
just pick one faggot
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>>69753450
this faggot thinks OLEDs won't burn in unless you play the same shit 24/7
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>>69753837

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tgNgfH

Thank you. I put in the 8400 with 16gb, a Crucial P1 1tb, and the 2070 and found 300 in savings
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Where can I grab a good bluetooth stick so I can do some wireless singleplayer games on the pc with a controller? Cords are messy..
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>>69753761
Wasn't me, but honestly probably a good that that your retardation was kept out of the OP
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>>69753999
>8400
shit cpu
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MCrYZR

first build please help. Might go for the 2060 instead to save some money for peripherals
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>>69754072
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Is there a big difference between the 2700 and 2700x?
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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yd86ZR
Finished this build and she’s al put together and beautiful. What should be my next upgrade/addition? Thinking of a 4tb HDD or a second m2 SSD.

Also, I’m finding I can’t hit the same benchmarks for 1080ti as a lot I see online. Would this be my 2600 throttling my gpu? Would OCing my cpu help in anyway? Gpu is already OC’d cia MSI afterburner
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RTX 2060 vs RTX 2070?

https://www.amazon.com/PG279QZ-Ergonomic-G-Sync-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07HZSBW7V

Gonna be using this monitor. Gaming and video editing.
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>>69753837
>>69753799
>What the hell is Pixio supposed to be?
Some youtuber(s) recommended it. I'm in the market for a VA/IPS panel that won't break the bank so I can have two and most importantly is FLAT.

What I'm looking for:
>VA/IPS panel
>Flat
>27'' - 32''
>1440p
>75-144hz w / adaptive or gsync
>fast response time
>$500 or less so I can get two

I'm having such a hard time finding this. Best thing I found was a 27 inch that checked all of those boxes except one: 1080p on a 27 inch monitor which is retarded.
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>>69753761
9900K@5GHz + Radeon VII and you won't need heater for the winter
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>>69754133

is it shit just because of its gaming performance
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>>69754199
If you're a poorfag, stop coveting things beyond your reach. Simple.
Otherwise man up and buy the XB271HU or get a cheap TN monitor. lol
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>>69754199
https://www.microcenter.com/product/510553/lg-32gk650f-b-32-wqhd-144hz-dp-hdmi-freesync-gaming-led-monitor

picked this up a few months ago, works pretty flawlessly, response feels pretty good with motion blur reduction although my old IPS display is noticeably brighter.
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>>69754244
>XB271HU

I can't take you seriously. Stop recommending this ricer trash.
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>>69754254
>judging by appearance
why don't you buy a TN panel, dipshit? They're plenty cheap.
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>>69754156
Idk
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>>69754337
I've used my current TN 16:10 monitor for 10 years straight. No more TN for me. Give me good colours for my work and for when I play some gaymes.

>>69754253
Thanks. This one seems great so far. If I buy this one then the only question remains is should I get a 2080 or radeon vii to power it. Probably the former, but I don't care for ray tracing (isn't supported for my current version of windows anyway).
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>>69754383
Well then get the XB271HU. You can get a different stand for it. It has slimmer bezels than other 1440p 144hz panels and has less chance of severe BLB or anything. Specs wise, it's just great. I switched the stand out on my one and it looks just like my old Dell monitor.
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>>69754403
I'll look at it again thank you. Only problem is being locked into Nvidia for 10 years. Who knows where AMD/Nvidia is in say 5 years. It could be like 2008ish again when AMD was dominating because fermi was a load of shit.
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>>69754163
Bump
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>>69754156
Bump
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>>69753339
OP why would you ever recommend 9700k in this day and age?
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>>69754449
You expect any good to come from Radeon? They haven't been relevant for top resolution gayming since 2011 or so. Either way, it's not like Nvidia cards will fall off a cliff after a few years. It just werks, go for it.
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>>69754163
>I’m finding I can’t hit the same benchmarks for 1080ti as a lot I see online.
Are you using the same exact settings with a very similar build? How far behind are your benchmarks? OCing a CPU in this day and age can only go so far but since you have liquid cooling (and its winter time if you are not a BR or aussie) there's no reason not to go at least 4.0 ghz with your cpu.

>What should be my next upgrade/addition?
Nothing. Grab a 1 tb samsung ssd if you need to space. If you're a fag who collects tons of movies and porn then grab two big ass HDDs and do a RAID 1.
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>>69753339
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VPqBRJ
>500gb win & arch drives with 500gb backups (SSD)
>8TB RAID media storage (HDD)
>8k/2 sum display
>Brandfagging
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>>69754229
its performance is lower than ryzen in everything
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>>69754134
Switch to a NVMe M2 drive like the Crucial P1 for much faster write speeds. Why do people insist on SATA and 2.5" in 2019...

>>69754133
>>69753999

You are comparing the 8400 to a slightly more expensive CPU that is also overclocked already. Of course it can be 7% faster on average then. How does that make the 8400 a bad choice?

>>69754011
Startech has one, and it is sold on most websites, including amazon.

>>69754156
...Higher base and slightly higher boost clock? Depending on what you do you might or might not notice it. If it's for gaming, you won't notice the difference.

>>69754164
Monitor looks ok although a bit expensive for what it does. I'd do at least the 2070. Read some reviews, but the 2060 is 1080p territory.

>>69754199
Why don't you get one bigger (32" or 40") 4K screen instead? For 1000 bucks you can do that. No need to get 2 crippled ones....

>>69754733
Why so many monitors instead of 2x 4K? The VII will be pretty loud since it gets hot due to drawing a lot of power, so keep in mind it will be noisy as hell when gaming.

Not sure why you have to split your storage in 4 SSDs, just get 2x 1TB NVMe ones like the Crucial P1, or wait for its 2TB release...
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Is the R5 2600X worth $35 over the 2600?
Also when do you expect DDR4 prices to bottom?
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>>69755106
>Why do people insist on SATA and 2.5" in 2019...
they cost less you imbecile. For normies, there's no need for NVMeme.
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>>69755139
No
Middle of the year for america, maybe later for other regions.
Dont leave it too late though. When the next consoles launch and phones start to ramp up RAM capacity again the prices will probably increase
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>>69755220
Thanks. Probably won't wait for the price drop then.

Also just noticed the i5 9400F at $223
>Only sold with complete builds
why
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Which 2070 should I get? Armor, Windforce 3X or Palit Dual?
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>>69754133
>>69754229
>>69754866
https://youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=69
Watch it.
>ASus crosshair 7 hero
>4.2 overclock using aggressively turned G.skill sniper X 3400Mhz with tightened sub-timings
>and the cooler has been upgrade to the Corsair H115i Pro

THAT is what was used to get the performance benchmarks you keep posting each time without context. Not only are yo downplaying the components used, but also their price.

Again if all of this escaped you, here is the man who made the benchmark, saying it CLEAR as cryztal

https://youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=1442
>Given that the intel CPU was over all faster this makes it better value choice for gamers.
>At the very least the OC Ryzen build will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you will need a high quality motherboard and some premium Samsung B-die.
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>>69754199
>>fast response time
you wont find it unless you have literally TOP tier ISP, or entry level TN, or top tier TN.
https://youtu.be/1BM0P7J1EPM?t=638
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>>69754383
>I've used my current TN 16:10 monitor for 10 years straight. No more TN for me. Give me good colours for my work and for when I play some gaymes.
oh look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2WP5nLFMk8
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>>69755290
Palit.
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Need non fanboy opinion on as to whether I should go with a $1050aud rtx 2080 or the radeon vii for $1149aud ?
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>>69755345
Nice to see the XB271HU hold its own.
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>>69755368
even without knowing what you are going to use it for, I would suggest 2080 with a decent cooling solution.
The radeon 7 is fucking loud.
Other than that you should look at what kind of workloads you will use it for.
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Do I still have to care what RAM I buy for AMD builds?
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>>69755354
Please fuck off.
>>69755368
Are you trolling?
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>>69755381
I said non fanboy
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>>69755368
Can you even find a radeon 7 to buy? it's sold out everywhere i checked
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>>69755393
Yes i can, they arrive on friday.
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>>69755380
yes, if youre on a budget aim for 2933 CL14
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>>69755428
What about the whole B-die thing?
Is $160 for 3200MHz C16 too much?
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>>69755139
depends, there's a chance that your 2600 won't reach 4.0 stable or you'll have to watercool it for that - not worth the 35 bucks saved if you ask me
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>>69755450
Unless thats some faker country dollar, yes. that's way too much for CL16
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>>69755467
Is there lower CL 3200 RAM?
I can't find anything cheaper
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>>69755157
The MX500 1TB costs 130 Euro right now and the Crucial P1 NVMeme 150 with the price falling down to 140 Euro sometimes. That is a 10-20 bucks difference between 550MB/s and 1.6GB/s write speed.

>>69755290
Read reviews, really.

>>69755368
Depends on what you need. Purely for gaming the 2080 is better. The VII draws more power, gets hotter and is probably the noisiest card on the market right now. But if you want to avoid Nvidia for some reason, the VII is good enough for casual 4K gaming. And for other workloads it might perform better (go read a review, most mention it).

The VII is noisier and more expensive and slower, so overall not a great deal sadly. Hopefully prices come down a bit since it will sell badly, but then you'd need to watercool it to have a silent system. So in a few weeks or months it might be a good choice for some people. Right now you'd have to hate Nvidia to do that. Or use a Hackintosh, since Nvidia isn't supported anymore.

I want to support AMD with my money but ever since upgrading to 4K, I can't purchase their stuff anymore because it is too slow. The VII can do 4K gaming now, but it's as slow as my 3 year old 1080 (watercooled and overclocked), and by the time I'll want something faster there probably is no offering from AMD, again. :(
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>>69755472
>CL16
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232394&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
>CL14
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232409&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
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Anyone here have a NZXT H500? I've heard that the case is designed to run at negative pressure leaving the 2 stock exhaust fans as it is and that adding 2 front intake fans actually raise temperatures. Planning to OC my 2600 with a hyper 212.
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>>69755497
I am of the same feeling. I want to support amd gpus, but they just quite aren't there yet. I am not a fanboy in the least.
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>>69755561
I wouldn't get the 2080 or the VII to be honest - the 20 series failures make me wonder what kind of quality control Nvidia really has. If I didn't already have a 1080, I'd get a used 1080ti now, at least that's a solid choice. In my opinion, all current highend cards are overpriced. The only nice deals are cheap 570s and 580s and those are aged old architectures that aren't good for more than 1080p gaming anyways.
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC0F7F34576&Description=x5675&cm_re=x5675-_-1VK-0001-1F894-_-Product

Convince me to not do it. I already have a gpu and hdd, and I have all of $140 to spend.
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>>69755334
>the same faggot that shills the 8400 non stop is also the mouthbreather that thinks that 4 ms matters for gaming
what a shock, a retard has shit opinions
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>>69755638
is this trolling?
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>>69755718
>t. super human that can see a 3 ms difference in monitors, has golden ears with as hearing range up to 100,000 hz
kys you stupid faggot no one will notice 6 ms vs 2 ms response times, what people will notice is that TN is cheap washed out shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrUu0DoIEU
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>>69755638
Response time isn't input lag, it's how long it takes the pixels to change on command.
Low response times lead to clearer images in motion, slow response times lead to smudgy motion and can cause weird color or light effects on particular transitions if the screen is particularly dodgy.
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>>69755749
>>69755638
What scares me is that I truly don't know if you are actually this retarded that you can't tell you are.
Or if you are retarded enough to think trolling is cool, but not retarded enough to believe that shit.
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>>69755775
>>69755638
To add to this, by his retarded logic, people would not be able to perceive above 4 frames per second. Because it's "below their reaction time"

Again this idea is just so retarded that I have to hope, that the person is trolling and not just a sub 70 IQ nigger.
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>>69755775
>muh superhuman reaction time
>muh frametime = reaction time
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>>69755766
>clearer images in motion
turn your head real fast and tell me what happens, its not going to be clear retard, motion blur on ips/va is not perceivable
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>>69755797
not reaction time, that would be 15 frames in a second to line something up preferably 4 times a second at 60 fps
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>>69755529
i have that case and also heard the same thing. all i can say that for now the temps are fine with the stock config. i will replace the fans with NZXT RGB ones, for aesthetic purposes, however.
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>>69755812
>things that happen in low ms such as 1ms vs 10ms are inperceptible because of reactions time here is proof that average reaction times are 273ms
>okay here, using your logic, frametime graphs which show how long each frame took to put out
>as you can see people can easily perceive the difference between 33.3ms(30fps) and 16.7ms(60fps) anybody going for 120fps will be dealing with 8.3ms.

>muh shitpost about superhumans
I guess if you wanted to convince people that you are retarded, well done.
But that's where this "discussion" ends.

>>69755824
I know you are the retard from above but just to BTFO you for one last time, there is easily objective proof that motion blur on monitors is different and it has been recorded as proof.
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>>69755824
If I turn my eyes or head fast while focussing on something it stays clear though.
Even scrolling in this browser right now is making text turn into a smudge on my tablet screen
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>>69755855
30 fps has no more input lag than 60 retard
and if one frame out of 60 were just issing you would not notice it
i guess crts were unusable back in the day because camera eyes here could see the flicker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGruhqs16lA
not that you are even old enough to have ever seen a crt, again keep thinking 2 ms is a selling point over tn looking like complete ass
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>>69755635
anons pls
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>>69755635
how poor are you?
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>>69756034
lets just say there's a reason I only have 140 to spend on everything except a gpu and hdd
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>>69755749
Jesus TN is fucking disgusting!!!
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What are the effective differences between mouse mat/pad types? Thoughts on hard pads vs cloth ones? I have an air58, and primarily play FPS, RPG, and 4X games.
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>>69756041
>lets just say there's a reason I only have 140 to spend on everything except a gpu and hdd
because you haven't sucked enough dick?
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planning on buying a used gpu. any tips?
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>>69756106
1080 (up to casual 4K gaming) or 1080ti (solid 60fps 4K gaming). Best performance for the money.
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Hello. I have a Z97 Gaming 5 motherboard and planning to upgrade my CPU.
I'm currently running an i5 4690.
Any of the 1150 socket i7 good enough to max current games at 1080p?
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>>69756106
Dont go any further than oral for reduced price, diminishing returns and more risk of the seller reneging
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Is there anything wrong with the 2070? I'm just wondering why it isn't listed in the OP.
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>>69756156
Barely faster than the 2060 for ~40% more dosh
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>>69756074
>>69756146
>XD suck dick for pc haha!
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I really really like computers.
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>>69756106
1070TI+
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Reminder that VII was never meant to exist and only does because Navi needed last minute adjustments. Navi will be cheaper with better performance. Have some patience and get by with less until then.
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My Mac Pro 2,1 GPU died (7300 GT, 5 blown capacitors) and using Ubuntu 18.04
Will a GT 1030 work with it? No white screen/video output but chime sound at boot
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It doesn't matter what Nvidia offers because I'm a mindless AMDrone at this point and don't even consider the competition. This is unironic, by the way.
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>>69756138
There is no point. You already have a 3.9GHz quadcore. There aren't any hexacore parts and only slightly faster quadcores, you'd have to get an i7-4790K. Expensive even used and not that much faster. What's wrong with your current CPU for 1080p gaming? (Hint: Probably nothing except for very CPU demanding games or games with weird requirements like Factorio which only uses a single core and needs that to be clocked as highly as possible...)

>>69756247
There will always be something better and cheaper in the future. If you take that as a basis for recommendations, everyone should probably wait forever to upgrade.
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>>69756138
>an i5 4690.
that and the i7-4790 are the top of the rungs.
If your selling your i5-4690. I'd love to buy it cause it a pretty good competitor with even current gen.
>currently run i5-4440
>Any of the 1150 socket i7 good enough to max current games at 1080p?
the i7-4790k is almost on par with the i5-8400 and r5 2600
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>>69756281
Everyone should probably wait forever indeed. We're probably all just doing that without meaning to, anyway.
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>>69756172
>>XD suck dick for pc haha!
Your shame is apparent for all. Next time atleast have some decency and spit.
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>>69756281
>everyone should probably wait forever to upgrade.
they really should though.
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>>69756281
I would say this would be an especially bad time not to wait.
>GPU mining is going away. Every coin is either going ASIC, CPU only, or POS.
>3D nand yields are actually getting good. Shortage coming to an end.
>Graphics are just starting the transition to path tracing and AI. An actual paradigm shift and the pace of improvement will be rapid compared to the dregs of improvement being squeezed out of rasterisation.
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>>69756307
>be me
>literally still on pic related waiting for upgrade
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>>69753339
I have bad 4690k and 980, is there any point in upgrading to a new PC?
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is gigbyte brand reliable?
should i settle for 2070 windforce or pay $80 more for 2070 GAMING OC?
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>>69755896
>trolling
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>>69756281
>>69756302
I see. Only worthwhile upgrade from my current one is 4790k.
I'll see if I can get it for cheaps. Else, I'll just wait for the next cycle to upgrade the whole tower.
I run a GTX 970 with 8GB RAM and experiencing some stuttering in MHW.
Could just be my HDD acting up and I'm in the process of upgrading to SSD.
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>>69756614
>I have bad 4690k
did it misbehave? what's wrong with it?
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>>69756614
Depends on the games you play and if you notice any issues running them

I had a 2500k/8gb ram and 980, the CPU/ram was struggling the last year or so so I just bought 2600/16gb 3200 and Vega 56. Passed down my old build to a family member who only plays osrs and other MMOs.

It's way better in my experience, everything is smooth again and in games where I was hitting 100% CPU usage I'm now hitting 30% with massively increased minimum framerates. I may get a zen 4000 chip but for me I think this 2600 will last a long time.
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>>69756704
>970
>HDD
HDD
>HDD
HDD
>HDD

Those are your weak points, absolutely nothing wrong with the CPU. Finish your SSD upgrade 'process' and it will literally feel like a brand new machine. The 970 is fairly good but stick in a 1070 for example and you'll be fine for another few years. Use the money that you might otherwise waste on a 4790k on a GPU if you've already got the SSD.

t. 4770K with SSD and 1070ti user
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Worth getting a 9700k over a 2700X for 1440p60 games? Around €100 difference
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>>69755106
>Monitor looks ok although a bit expensive for what it does
I was looking for a strong monitor (1440p) that has as little delay and refresh rate as possible (I play competitive fighting games so having a delay-rate as small as possible is significant). I was looking to spend between $500-600 on a monitor. RTX 2070 seems like a pretty decent cost-effective-to-performance card, and I'm gonna pick up an i7-9700k.

Any other recommendations for a monitor?
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>>69757187
No. It's only the case if you want 144hz anything.
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has anyone delidded a cpu with a cheap chink delidder from aliexpress?, im not paying 50bucks for the derbauer one.
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>>69757055
Yea, just arrived today. I got a Crucial MX500 M.2 500GB.
My 2TB HDD was acting up, usage reaching 100% sometimes, locking up everything when browsing and even during idle.
Thanks, guess I'll save my money then. Maybe for a new display.
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Is custom liquid cooling a meme? Should I throw an entire paycheck on this? The alternative I was looking at was a Corsair H150i PRO which is nearly a 470 difference in price. But damn does it look good in a case while costing more than my GPU.
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If I've got two front intake fans with 68.4 CFM each behind a dustfilter and two exhausts, one in the back and one at the top back with 41.8 CFM each, will that give me a positive pressure in the case?
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>>69757528
Do it if you specifically like and want to get into that hobby. As a practical solution, it is in fact a meme. A really high-end air solution with the #1 fans available will be quieter and actually not significantly worse.
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>>69756673
Gigabyte is alright. Don't pay 80 bucks more for essentially the same graphics card. All 2070s will be roughly the same, there is no point in purchasing an expensive version. Although don't get the very cheapest ones like inno3d or something. But Gigabyte manufactures a lot of pc components, so there is no need to worry about that brand.

>>69756704
Yeah, upgrade at least to a SSD and maybe a used 1080(ti). The CPU really isn't the bottleneck there.

>>69757187
Both are already oversized for that... Those 100 Euro are better invested in the graphics card. Unless you already have a 1080Ti/2080/2080Ti it will be better to put the money into one of those. I mean, what use is a 4.5-5GHz Octacore CPU when you pair it with something like a 2060 or 2070 for gaming...

It also depends on the games. A lot of games just have half the CPU cores idling most of the time.

>>69757362
And again someone wanting to pair a 9700k octacore 5GHz cpu with... a 2070! That CPU will add one or two fps compared to something half the price while the 2070 will reduce the fps by a lot more compared to a 2080 or 1080ti. Especially for 1440p nowadays a 2070 is just enough. A 2080 or 1080ti will be much better for that resolution. Look at some reviews and their comparison charts, a 2070 is expensive but doesn't deliver that much performance.
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My firecuda sshd failed, what a piece of shit, last week I played remake2 with no problems and many games for the last year and a half, now it gets detected/undetected and takes a million years to load games up, when it does. Fuck firecuda and fuck sshd technology.
I've put a regular HDD as a place holder, guess I'll buy one of these for the luls someday, looks sexy
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>>69757662
Just buy it. When you die and your entire life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have entirely digital storage?
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>>69757528
Custom loops don't have to be this expensive. You chose a package that includes RGB and the whole comfy package, apparently. If you choose the components individually, you can get that down to 2/3rds the price.

Watercooling the CPU doesn't have benefits unless you want to overclock and/or have a 4.5G+GHz monster that just needs the best quality cooling.

GPU makes sense only if you want to game with a quiet system. Because if you want it for overclocking, you might just spend the money from the cooling loop on a new graphics card instead and get much better performance. You can get a monster like a Radeon VII to be whisper quiet. But if you game with headphones on then you will never benefit from that...

That said, you only purchase a custom cooling loop once and use it for 5+ years before you even have to replace a part, if anything (except the fluid yearly). So a loop will survive multiple graphics cards and if you look at it that way, it isn't so expensive for a 7-10 year lifetime (and then you only have to switch out the pump or something, not everything).

I'd say that if you have at least a 1080(ti)/2080(ti), go ahead. If not, upgrade to that first. You don't want to get a water cooling block for a graphics card for 100 euro if you throw out that card and cooling block after a year or two. So first get a card that will last you 4-5 years and then get a cooling block for it.

EKWB is great, my custom cooling loop has most components by them, and their graphics cards cooling blocks are fantastic with good instructions, screws, thermal paste and whatnot.
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>>69757707
I guess you're right, next month I'll get one, yolo.
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>>69757760
I knew you wouldn't be able to argue with that flawless argument. That's how you make a sale.
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Currently contemplating on 9700k/2080ti for a 1440p 140hz setup. I suppose AMDs newest announcement won't budge the cost of the GPU at all.
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>>69757824
It won't because there's no availability. Buy whatever you want/need when you want/neet it.
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>>69757833
need, not neet.
damn that freudian slip
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>>69757630
>Those 100 Euro are better invested in the graphics card. U
Already got a GPU
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>>69757824
That will be a great setup for 1440p. You could get a cheaper CPU though and switch the graphics card to a used 1080ti. You'll save a few hundred bucks and it will still be great for 1440p over the next few years. The 2080Ti is great, but you arepaying a premium for the last few percent of performance that you do not need on resolutions below 4K.
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>>69757833
>>69757840
True enough, just wish AMD could compete
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Is it even worth OCing my 2600? Purely from a gaming/recording standpoint. From what I can tell there’s little to no gain in fps across the board.
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>>69757900
I am talking out of my ass but that's already a 3.7-3.8GHz CPU, you'd have to be able to get it to a lot more like 4.5GHz to see improvements. And I doubt you can do that easily and without water cooling. And even then, you probably need a really good graphics card, otherwise it will limit first. So if you game with a 1080ti on 4K, sure try out the overclock. Otherwise, the CPU is the least of your problems...
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>>69757900
>latency starved CPU
>is OC the clocks even worth it when the infinity fabric is a piece of shit
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Have an RX570 and I don't plan to max out shit (otherwise I'd spend a lil more to be honest) or play most titles coming out. I'd still like to have a little bit better performance. I use an i5 4460. Should I bother buying fast RAM + a ryzen processor + motherboard or buy a skylake processor for a spare motherboard + 2133mhz ram I have laying around?
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>>69756387
How much longer
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>>69753339
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2vQcsZ
opinions on $2k build? streaming, recording, a bit of editing. only nvidia cause shadowplay. not sure about cooler, case, mobo.
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>>69758044
Or kaby lake, the motherboard is compatible with both and up to date.
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>>69757960
1080ti on 1440p. It’s weird because I’m not seeing the same FPS found in benchmarks even with comparable hardware. Even with the gpu OC’d a bit.
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>>69758049
Just buy value parts more often. Like rather than spend $1.5k on a GPU now that you intend to last for 3 years, spend $500 every year or something like that. At least wait for Navi if you're getting by with your current setup.
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Is it worth putting PSU upside down in the case is the place gets dusty easily? I'm afraid that a filter either won't stop everything or just suffocate the unit if I don't tend to it like once a week.

I have a fairly low-temp system (stock ryzen 5 1400 + R7 370 that gets to 60C max) and I'm getting a case with one front intake and one blower in the back, would adding a PSU to this airflow fuck it up?
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2070 vs 2080. Cost is ~$500 vs ~$700.

Is this realistically worth a 10-20% performance improvement? I'm leaning towards the 2070.
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>>69758044
That RX570 is the only thing limiting you really. The i5-4460 is alright. If you want better gaming performance, upgrading to a brand new Ryzen platform with DDR4 won't do anything unless you kill off that 570. The only thing you should upgrade for better gaming performance is the graphics card, just sell it on Ebay or somewhere and get at least a used 1080 or a new 2070. That won't cost more than a new mainboard+cpu+DDR4 combo and will actually make a difference.

>>69758051
One sec...

>>69758070
If you are having performance problems with a 1080ti then you have a problem somewhere. Overclocking the CPU might actually be worth trying, but first you should make sure that your system reaches the performance it should have out of the box.

If for example CPU or GPU reach a thermal threshold and get too hot, then overclocking either one won't make it better.

So check with a fresh Windows install, check temperatures and what else one checks during troubleshooting.

>>69758141
>Just buy value parts more often.
That is just a personal choice. Personally, I'd recommend the opposite. Get a highend part once and benefit in two ways: First, you get all the highend performance from the first day on (instead of always being on a medium level) and second, a 1.5k graphics card will last longer than 3 years usually.

It doesn't even make sense to pay 500 bucks every year over 3 years when a 1500 bucks card gives you better performance over all of those 3 years. If the cost over 3 years is the same, why not get the highend part?
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>>69753339
hi noggers, freetard here
My colleague wants me to build a rig for some NN researches he's doing, it's gonna be an I9-9900k/1070Ti machine with Ubuntu running full-time on it. Are there any obvious caveats I have to take care of (like, some particular freetard-compatible motherboard or smth)?
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>>69758593
Really? Damn, thought the 4460 would bottleneck anything higher. I just can't get rid of the other stuff (I have an i3 6100 as well, but I'm told it's quite a downgrade) so I was wondering if it'd be worth getting something for it.
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>>69758051
Just know that motherboard is on backorder, when I ordered one off B&H last week it said 7-12 days until they get more, but now just days backordered.
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>>69758358
If you have a dust filter, just put the PSU in in a way that utilizes it. Obviously it is better to have the airflow go through a filter than not. And what is wrong with cleaning it once a week? Takes 5 seconds with a vacuum cleaner.

Whether you add the PSU to the general airflow or not won't make a big difference usually.

>>69758509
Depends on your resolution. Up to 1440p you can get by with a 2070. For 4K you'll probably want a 2080. Or you can get a used 1080(ti) and perhaps save some money.

>>69758051
Looks alright. Maybe the mainboard is a bit cheap, but as long as it has all the features you need I am sure it's fine - don't know too much about Ryzen parts, I think the mainboards cost less compared to Intel based ones in general, so maybe it's just fine. I just noted that you put in a highend CPU and GPU, but not a highend mainboard. Which is fine really, as long as it's good quality (MSI surely is).
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>>69758647
>i3 6100
That's a dualcore only, right? Of course that would be a downgrade. I recommend that you upgrade the graphics card first and if you still aren't happy, then think about other parts. I have a 570 8GB in another computer at 1440p and it's not great. At 1080p it might be alright, and you certainly get a good performance for the money, but it is still a cheap card. Unless you upgrade the GPU, the 4460 will never have a chance to bottleneck any game except some special ones like Factorio that depend on single core performance more than anything.
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>>69758647
Not him, but that depends on the game. I run an i5-4460 myself because I'm in the team waiting forever and stuttering can definitely occur because of the CPU.
Those two are an adequate combo, though. Probably consider upgrading when you feel like replacing everything in the future.
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>>69758670
As someone who owns the Gaming Pro carbon Ac it is the best B450 board on the market. Couldn’t be happier with it, and would’ve easily paid $50 more for it.
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>>69758070
what ram speed are you on?
zen is pretty damn sensitive to it
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So how does RAID5 work? Say I have a 2TB HDD and grab another 2 identical HDD, would making them into a RAID5 make them appear as one drive? Do I need to format my first HDD (and this lose everything) before raiding them together?

Thanks
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looking for the best cheap 144hz TN, for gaming. 1080p is fine. i supposed gsync would be nice. thanks in advance /g/
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>>69758603
I think AMD GPUs are more free as in freedom approved. Any mobo will run ganoo loonisc.
For productivity, consider Threadripper/Ryzen 7 instead. For ultimate (but expensive) freedom, consider IBM POWER.
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>>69758783
3000mhz CL14. I think it’s running at 2933mhz tho. Accidentally got the 3000mhz over the 3200mhz and now I can’t be bothered to pony up more money for what is probably a small increase.

On that note, if I have 3000mhz can I OC it to say 3200mhz?
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>>69758787
You are thinking of RAID1. But you probably should get a backup instead. Just get an external 2TB HDD and use some software to copy your files onto it. If the PC dies and takes the drive with it, at least you'll have the external one in a drawer safely. Can't say the same for a RAID.
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Putting together a new build because I got a 7700k for free.
Pretty much got everything together.
Before I pull the trigger does anyone have any suggestions?

Mobo: Z270N
CPU: 7700k
Case: H200i + extra usb2 hub extension thing
Cooler: H100i Cooler
+Some ddr4 ram and a regular psu
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>>69758908
Selling the CPU and getting something that isn't a puny 4 cores in 2019.
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>>69758908
just realized that mobo is out of stock now.
does anyone have any suggestions for a Mini-itx mobo?
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>>69758922
I have a 4th gen i5 and a 1060ti.
Runs everything max 60fps 1080p so the upgrade to a 7700k is way more than enough for me
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>>69758828
if your module can take it then yes you can, but i think you'll be putting the timings and voltage by hand.
and yeah it's a small increase. also, your not-quite-the-same performance issues could be related to temps, how's yours?
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>>69758941
That's still a lot of additional money to spend on not actually reusable hardware and a small upgrade relative to what is out today.
I mean it, the smartest thing would be to sell it.
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>>69758976
I mean you're not wrong and your suggestion is reasonable. I just haven't upgraded my PC in a long time and I've decided now would be the time to splurg.

I have a old dusty mid tower and all these nu kids with their fancy leds liquid cooling shits got me jealous. Plus having a mini-itx is much easier to bring down to my living room when I have guest.

Even if I sold the cpu i'd still buy another similar card + new case. My old mobo is ddr3 so I'd be getting a new mobo anyway.
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>>69758741
Yep, I guess I'll keep the 4460, both aren't great builds (2 cores/4 threads at 3.7ghz vs 4 cores at 3.2ghz, ddr3 1600 vs ddr4 2133, ATX vs miniITX motherboard, Z97 vs H110 chipset)

>>69758747
Yeah the motherboard on this is giving me some trouble, but otherwise I'll wait.
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>>69758787
raid5 takes at least 3 disks i remember it right. basically, each disk separates a fraction of its total size to hold backup data from the other two, so if one fails the other two can restore it. with 3 disks the stripe can tolerate one faulty disk, two breaks your shit. i think more disks can up your tolerance but i don't know the ratio here so practice your googlefu on this if you need the info
and yes, it's going to work as one logical unit, so most likely you'll need to format i think
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>>69758947
Ambient temps is 26-32 (summer)
Cpu has a 280 aio. Sits around 45c gaming/35 idle (unsure if I used enough thermal paste/seated it right. Seems high idk, never used aio before)
Gpu is 30 idle and around 60ish gaming. See it sometimes hit 64, fan curve sees it at around 75% when in the 60s.
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>>69759045
The person who invented RAID must be really smart.
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>>69759045
Many thanks anon. Nah 1HDD failure no matter the amount of drives for RAID5.

I think I might just install my old 2TB HDD and format it for this new machine, taking what I want saved over to a portable HDD to save
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>>69758802
pls respond or im probably just getting an XFA240
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This is what I've compiled now

8GB PowerColor Radeon RX 580 Red Dragon V2 Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16
>AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6x 3.40GHz So.AM4 BOX
16GB G.Skill RipJaws V black DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit
>MSI B450 TOMAHAWK AMD B450 So.AM4 Dual Channel DDR ATX Retail
550 Watt Corsair Vengeance Modular 80+ Bronze
>Corsair Carbide 200R Midi Tower
256GB ADATA Ultimate SU800 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s TLC Toggle
>1000GB WD Blue WD10EZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s
Asus PCE-N15 2T2R PCIe 300MBit

760€, adding W10 and keyboard/mouse we're at around 900. I would like to continue using my "old" BenQ GL2450 if possible.
This alright?
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>>69759024
You'd be buying the same parts, except you wouldn't have to commit to an old motherboard and RAM that actually won't be reusable by the time you finally upgrade again. Maybe it'll be the same price even factoring in the CPU.
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>>69753761
Oh youre the shill who keeps change op. Piss off the current one is good
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>>69759079
Country? Any other requirements?
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what kind of fucking supercomputers do streamers have?

>i7 6700k
>1080
>16gb ddr4
>games run bretty decent most of the time but as soon as i start streaming my fps dips considerably

what do I need to upgrade? is it my stream settings? tired of being at a disadvantage
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>>69759162
>not a subtle shill at all
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>>69759140
USA. nah, my computer is strong enough for 1440p (8700k/1080) but i neither care nor have the monitor budget for higher than 1080. im pretty sure i prefer a non-curved though.
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>>69753339
Is a used Vega 56 preflashed to 64 with stable overclocks for $330 shipped a good deal?
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>>69759162
your processor lacks cores/threads to stream effeciently
get a 9900k or wait for next gen ryzen
or just don't stream at all and keep using your current setup, it's not like anyone is actually watching you
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>>69759115
Ah you are the German guy from yesterday, it's nothing to write home about, but for 1080p gaming it will be okay. Perhaps you could switch to just a single 1TB SSD (preferrably a Crucial P1 but a regular SATA one is ok too, perhaps try to stick to a 5 year warranty Crucial). Right now you have that cheap tiny SSD and that cheap spinning rust. Neither one is great.

With your budget I'd try to get a used 1070/1080 instead of purchasing a brand new card. It would allow for great 1080p gaming performance. The 580 is okay but you won't be able to max out all settings on all games.

Don't forget to check geizhals.de for prices.
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>>69759115
Drop the HDD and get a 500GB 860 Evo (ADATA is terrible)
See if you can’t get a MSI gaming pro carbon ac; built in wireless/Bluetooth.
Can’t comment on the PSU but you should pony up a little extra for a better quality one imo.
Also get a W10 key offline and save yourself some money
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>>69759162
A non retard streamer would have their gaming system and a seperate pc to handle the streaming.
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>>69759162
Capture and steam on a different device
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>>69759187
if it's a blower then no. vidrelated goes for around that with game bundle included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6gpxe0QoUs
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>build a $1000 pc
>all games come out on consoles anyways
>devs don’t give a shit about you
>shit constantly breaking and requiring mods to fix
>don’t even get any exclusives

Jesus Christ I made a mistake
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>>69759210
>>69759230

naruhodo. thank you
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Upgrading bigly for 3D work/VR station. Can I get a recommend for cooling on the 2950x, and choice of RAM since that was arbitrary.

>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vGmmzY
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>>69759180
https://www.amazon.com/VG248QE-1920x1080-144Hz-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1549905136&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=asus+24+inch+monitor+144hz&dpPl=1&dpID=41ZcfwqCPBL&ref=plSrch

I have the 27” 1440p of this model and it’s amazing
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>>69759180
Maybe look into the xl2430 if you want tn
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>>69759187
>>69759234
Actually, yes. IIRC V64 flashability depends on HBM modules which means it is a reference card with Samsung HBM and thus pretty good.
Probably don't buy it if you don't plan to replace the cooler.
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>>69759234
Video related card is going for $450, and I'm not interested in those games at all.
The Vega 56 is a blower, but I'm not sure how that matters if it has stable undervolt overclock with the 64 bios flashed at $330.
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Would a 6600k bottleneck a 1080ti?
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>>69759255
that's a lot of reviews, damn. thanks anon i'm gonna look into this but at first glance it seems to not have gsync/freesync, and I'm under the impression that sync capabilities really changes the monitor game, and if that's untrue I would really appreciate a better understanding of it

>>69759305
I actually only say TN because I know it's slightly faster response time (negligible, I know), but mostly because I know it'll save me a good 50 bucks and color depth isn't vital to me. Also see above for the sync thing
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>>69759238
https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1988680-broadcasting-with-two-computers
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>>69759314
you could just get a new blower 64 and sell the games. $400 on newegg.
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>>69759234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6gpxe0QoUs
Not only does he not flash the 64 bios, he overvolts it instead of undervolting it. He doesn't know what he's doing.
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>>69759372
plus tax and shipping. and you can't sell them games AFIAK. it requires the video card in the computer to activate them.
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Hey I have a question about a new build. I was told to wait for new parts to release so I decided to go with a medium build. I currently have a 1060 3gb, two ssd and a hdd. Would it be best to go with a ryzen cpu, 16gb ram and a z390 mobo I think it is. Or should I go all out now with an i7 and a 2080
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>>69759379
He probably got advice for Buildzoid, so of course he knows what he's doing. Also the V64 liquid BIOS is pointless if you remove the power limit by other means.
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>>69754156
Higher clock and 2700X has le epic RGB Prism cooler
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>>69759236
>he fell for the pc gaming meme
I’m hoping everyone in here is building these for work shit, pc gaming is pretty much dying
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>>69759321
A bit. I wouldnt worry
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I was thinking of replacing my 10 year old 24" 1080p monitor and got it down to LG 32GK850F or BenQ EX3203R
I've never used a curved monitor and I mostly play RTS, TBS and RPGs. Will the curvature troubleme?
Which one would you reccomend, /g/?
BenQ is about 75$ cheaper than LG here, btw.
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>>69759209
>get a W10 key offline and save yourself some money

Any and all offers that only sell a key are possibly counterfeit. You cannot get a legitimate copy unless you pay the full price and purchase it from a regular retailer. Time and time again people think that you can get a valid key for half the money or even less. It will activate, but you won't be running a valid copy and even if you don't care about it, eventually your copy might no longer be activated and you get the victim of piracy notifications. But you can usually use the same license on multiple computers just fine, so you need only one windows copy for the entire household.
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>evga 2070 black gaming for $480

Anything wrong with the black gaming that i'm missing? Only comparison review i found said it runs about 5% slower and has a little worse cooling.
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>>69759536
>eventually your copy might no longer be activated and you get the victim of piracy notifications.
How long does this take to happen? I've had the same key for 5 or so years and haven't seen it. Got my key off some site selling it for $12.
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>>69759464
Gaming/study/streaming/creating hobby.

PCs should be a multifaceted workhorse.
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>>69759536
I’ve ran a W7 key for about 8yrs now and my W10 key for about 2.5 now. Built several computers for friends and family using these keys too. Not a single issue out of the 12 or so I’ve used.
>>69759620
He’s just gaslighting anon. Don’t listen to him. A lot of keys are excess sold off by IT guys who work in corporations that get bulk keys. They’re just as genuine as buying a legit copy, they’re just one time use ones is all
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>>69759394
free shipping and you recieve resalable steam/uplay keys once you redeem the newegg code through amd rewards. Not trying to argue with you, just suggesting that there are more options.
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>>69759236
>build a $800 pc back in 2009
>upgrade it steadily whenever the games I want to play don't even run on minimum
>never had major problems with "broken" stuff or needed mods
>still have too many games in the backlog to finish, which will be even more once I upgrade again, and that's not even touching emulation
>friend has pretty much an equal rig so we play the same games together with no one lagging behind
>also record music and draw on it
If you're only interested in always following the newest game releases and don't do anything but vidya, you should unironically consider a console instead.
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>>69759197
Yeah that would be me, I'm not looking for Ultra on everything so that's alright, since most of my time is spent on the Internet anyway but I still want a build that can run most games on high or better.
I honestly don't care all that much about the faster loading times SSDs provide, meaning I'd honestly be fine with just slapping the OS on there and the rest on the HDD.
The two mentioned in my original post are 1256GB together, while the one SSD >>69759209 mentioned with 500GB seems like not enough space for a system that's also going to store plenty of games aswell as other files.
In short I'd prefer the smaller SSD and the 1TB HDD I listed, if that isn't going to fuck me over in the end.
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>>69759554
>black
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3386-nvidias-secret-gpu-tu106-400-vs-400a-2070-xc-ultra-review
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Is there any risk in buying a 970 evo from the States? My friend is going there for a vacation, the 1tb 970 evo costs twice as much in my shithole.
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https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-specs-price-custom-models-listings-leak/
IT'S FUCKING CUMMING
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>>69760031
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lol at all these garbage cards
I'm glad I got a cheap 1070ti, I won't upgrade until Nvidia's 7nm flagship comes out.
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>>69760043
>nutrition
>there is
lel
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kJBzr6

How my build looking and what should I change?
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>>69760120
>RTX 2060
JUST WAIT FOUR DAYS AND THE HORROR WILL END
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Currently looking for a GPU, i'm aiming for 1080p 144hz and perhaps going to 1440 / 4k in the future. Which one should i go for? 2nd hand 1070 for €260, 2060 for €400ish or wait for 1660Ti?
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>>69760120
ASUS mobos are shit tier. Get MSi carbon.
850W is extreme overkill.
Consider getting the 2600X so you don't have to bother with the silicon lottery trying to get a good OC.
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>>69757900
No, AMD already has very elaborate automatic core clock adjustments. With manual overclocking you'll have minimal gains at best, at much greater heat and power draw. If you wanna overclock something to benefit your Ryzen CPU, take a stab at your RAM. Potential for 20% improvements if you can keep it stable.
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>>69760140
Wait for 1660
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>>69760140
Don't get the 1070 at all, but second hand 1070 Ti is fine, as long as the price is below a new 2060.
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Tried Wasteland 2 today, a simple game on performance. PC freeze and restarts itself after like 15 minutes of playing. Tried other games, only simple stuff like CK2 stays up. Nothing is overheating, so i don't what the fuck it is. Could be anything, psu, gpu, cpu, ram, motherboard, how the hell do i know for sure. I don't have money to change everything.
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>>69759187
No point in flashing. Just UV and OC.
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>>69760055
I got a 1070Ti as well a couple months ago but I regret not waiting for the 2060 which is better and cheaper
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>>69760277
At least you won't get fucked in the ass by VRAM issues.
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Can some 1 link me to a oc guide for ryzen and ddr4
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>>69760277
It's hardly any better than a 1080, who cares. I got my 1070ti for $270 and a 2060 goes for $500 here so I won haha
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>>69760277
>>69760289
Got a 1060 for $150 new before the crypto explosion. She’s serving me well
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>>69760230
should have bought a console
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>>69760317
Do you even do any manual OC for Ryzen? I thought it was better to just set ram to the XMP profile and enable PBO for the CPU.
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>>69760230
>PC freeze and restarts itself after like 15 minutes of playing.
Faulty PSU.
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>build a pc two years ago
>got a 1060 6gb, only cared about 1080p60 at the time
>now I feel the urge to jump on the 1440p meme train
>not sure if the 2060 is even worth it because of the vram
>every other card too damn expensive

AAHHHHHH GODDAMNIT WHATS THE BEST UPGRADE FROM A 1060
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>>69760618
RTX 3060 Ti
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Is there any benefits or drawbacks from using extension cables? Is it a purely aesthetic upgrade?
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>>69760618
wait for 1660/1660ti benchmarks or go for >>69759372
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>build pc
>no money to buy games
what now
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>>69760618
You're too poor, come back when you have at least 1K USD for monitor + graphics card
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>>69759464
>pc gaming is pretty much dying
says the nervous ubisoft employee for the eighth time this decade
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>>69760669
Purely aesthetic and will only support a specific manufacturer's slightly different connectors.
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>>69760676
pirate you dumb nigger. literally the only reason to build a pc for gayming
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>>69753812
>have to drive an hour and a half
haha
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>>69760676
apex is pretty fun if you're into that. I've been playing that and halo online which are both free.
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>>69760724
Not him, but I've tried playing Halo Online for a couple days and it just isn't the same.
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Is 3200Mhz 14CL currently the fastest RAM specs that currently exist?
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>>69760688
Thanks. I probably won’t bother then as it’s $50 for an extension kit.
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>>69760743
of course it'll never be the same, but it's the closest we'll get to halo 3 on pc and the new update made forge as robust as reach. Custom games are still pretty enjoyable with friends.
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>>69760781
>with friends
Yeah, that's probably my issue.
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>>69759536
Why are people this against pirating
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Is there a significant difference between a Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 and a Red Devil 56? The sapphire is ~50eur cheaper here.
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Hello /g/, I'm gonna build my first pc 1 week from now. From watching several videos, I already got essentials of how to assemble everything except the cables. I'm a little bit afraid I might fry all of the parts in the build with wrong cable installation...Is there any guide you guys can teach/show me?
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>>69760814
Red Devil has twice as many VRM components. Pulse uses the nano pcb. The former is compatible with aftermarket coolers, the latter is not.
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>>69759673
>Don’t listen to him. A lot of keys are excess sold off by IT guys who work in corporations that get bulk keys.

Are you listening to yourself? Do you believe that IT guy had permission to sell those keys?

Just a bunch of years ago people walked through retailers and wrote down the Windows serial numbers that were stuck onto the computer cases on display. You could activate them and they were legitimate keys. Except the fact that someone else paid the full price for a license and you got it for cheap, stolen!

In what world you do people live where you believe that a product sold for 100+ bucks can be legitimate if it's sold for 12 bucks? There have actually been multiple articles, reports and so on of investigations into that Windows serial numbers situation and for example the german c't magazine came to the conclusion that there is only one way to make sure you get a legitimate copy and that is with retail packaging. Good luck finding a single unopened retail pack that sells for 12 bucks, or even 50.

>>69759824
Well just get a SSD by Crucial (or Samsung, but more expensive) with 5 years of warranty. Don't get some third party adata or whatever that crap is. I think the MX500 series by Crucial is the cheapest 5 year warranty SSD. Spinning rust is fine, but it will die eventually and you should make sure to make backups. I'd just get one big 1TB SSD instead. If you do spinning rust, you could at least do 2 or 3 or 4TB and get some good amount of space to fill.

>>69759986
Not really, it is a good quality drive. Actually, Samsung has international warranties. I don't know for sure if that particular model has warranty for your country, but at least there is a good chance. You can check that online beforehand.

>>69760140
If you are ok with second hand purchases, get a used 1080. It can do 1440p and is just enough for casual 4K gaming. It will be great for 1080p 144Hz.
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>>69760843
use common sense
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>>69760230
Nobody can tell from that description. Look up a troubleshooting guide and you'll find the problematic component eventually.

>>69760618
Used 1080, will be good for 1440p. A bit slow for 4K, but if you don't do 4K, then it's obviously fine.
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>>69760846
>The former is compatible with aftermarket coolers
i should be able to slap an asetek cooler on my pulse right? have a kraken g10 lying around but i hear that people are bricking their cards because interposer can be recessed below the die and hbm.
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>>69760954
Yeah. The main issue with nano PCBs for Vega and Fury is that the die is too close to the PCI bracket, making common huge coolers incompatible.
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Is there any reason for get 32GB over 16GB of RAM?
I mostly play video games, but I've always had an interest in learning some form of content creation (3D modeling, animation, video editing, stuff like that).

To my understanding, 16GB is plenty, if not overkill, for video games and normal multitasking?
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I'm currently looking for a cheap laptop for my girlfriend. Just the usual Youtube, Spotify, office machine, no games. I can choose between modern Celerons and Pentiums. I guess there is no point in buying a 2 core Celeron laptop, right? Or does it not matter at this low end?
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how do i make my computer look like some shit the prawns from district 9 built so when me mates come over my room looks like some blade runner shit?
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i got my old mobo with phenom ii x4 810 in it and gtx 760 4gb, and since i won't be having enough money to build new pc, do i upgrade for phenom ii x6 1100t? it's the best cpu for my mobo. 90$ tho
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>>69760885
which?
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>>69761091
I recommend this Acer Chromebook I owned for a year before:

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-Aluminum-14-inch-CB3-431-C5FM/dp/B01CVOLVPA

It had the aluminum aesthetic of a Macbook so if you girlfriend is into that, she will like it. As for the tasks it does all that you said well enough, plus its battery is darn good (8-9 hours).
P.S: Specify your budget if you care more about a long-end laptop. This one will last but don't expect more than you get.
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>>69761198
250€ is the limit, maybe 270. I haven't considered Chromebooks yet but I might look into it. Not sure how she will like the OS.
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I know its off topic but does anyone know any Arm Soc boards (more powerful then a pi with a more powerful gpu)
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>>69761316
sorry desu, that isn't really a thing. Maybe root a oneplus? those things are powerful, and ARM based
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Are 6c/6t (i5 8400) already on their path to being obsolete? I really mostly game on my desktop so Ryzen seems only to be a good choice if future games actually make use of additional threads.
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>>69760985
So an AIO should have more then enough clearance, just need to get pads and heatsinks for vrm.
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>>69760869
I switched the SDD into a 500GB Crucial MX500 2.5". With that everything should be in place. Thank you and everyone else for their help.
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Is a Wraith Spire capable of handling overclocks in the 3.9-4 GHz range if I ramp up the fan curve accordingly?
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>>69761357
>Locked chipset
>No upgradability
>Swiss cheese security
It was obsolete from the beginning
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>>69761240
The Chrome OS is like a phone OS, so if she has ever used an Android/Pixel phone it will be the same but within a laptop.
I'm usually against Chromebooks but this one surprised me since it had a pretty decent 1080p IPS screen and lasted pretty long.
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>>69753615
I honestly found it funny as fuck
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>>69761412
You're probably right. Deciding between Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 1700 right now. 2600 seems like a good choice right now but 1700 seems somewhat more future proof. If games actually start making use of additional cores/threads it should destroy the 2600, especially with some overclocks (which are actually possible on a Wraith Spire unlike that shitty thing they include with the 2600). Decisions, decisions...
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Oh shit Amd VII is 300w
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>>69761598
You obviously don't know shit and if you made some research you would see that 8400 is better and cheaper than both of these
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>>69761618
Just delap it
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>>69761749
Huh? I was agreeing to the cons listed by the anon I quoted. And no, it's not cheaper AT ALL.
8400 goes for 197€ while a 2600 is 152€ right now, even comes bundled with Division 2 which I could sell for like 20-25€. What are you smoking
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>>69761759
What's that?
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>>69761800
Add the extra mobo and ram cost for the 2600
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>>69761864
Z370 boards are more expensive than B450 boards, what are you on about?
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>>69761897
You only need b360 mobo + 2666 ram for the i5 to get its full potential. Watch
>>69755334
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First time buying a PC. Does this look alright?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qFYRtg
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>>69761919
You'll STILL be on a dead platform with no options to upgrade in the future. 8400 also gets smoked in literally every task that isn't video games.
You can't argue with the fact that a 2600 is simply better value overall.
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>>69761993
>dead platform
No one upgrades every year
>gets smoked in literally every task that isn't video games
You said you only game
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is a mini itx build worth it? don't really have much to plug in besides a graphics card, an ssd or two, kb/mouse, and a controller
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>>69762083
It's fine, but look for a decent case. Many small cases wish shit airflow or a few faults here or there.
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>>69762102
Not worth it imo due to ITX-tax and possible issues with thermals. You got bluepilled by youtube shills with their "clean" desk setups. Just get a decently sized mATX case and call it a day, you'll literally save hundreds of dollars.
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I want to overclock CPU and GPU, any good program to stress-test my pc?
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What’s a good case that;
>Looks nice and simplistic (not like a fucking spaceship)
>little to no brand logo on the front
>decent airflow/temps
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>>69762362
bitfenix shinobi
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>>69758603
>Linux
>NVIDIA
The fuck are you doing?
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>>69762362
meshify c comes with 2 120mm, room for 3 140mm or 1 280mm radiator. no disc drive bays but you don't plan on using those anyway, right? and it sits at a nice 70-80 bucks.
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>>69762587
Don’t really like the front, maybe the Define?
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>>69762674
>>69762674
>>69762674
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>>69762636
it's about as minimalist as you're going to get while still having okay airflow and you can just pop off the front panel for even better temps and an even more neutral front, which you are not going to see anyway since it sits under your desk.
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>>69762636
Define S 2 with the top metal panel removed is kino



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