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Does the free software community make bad software on purpose? Like, as a joke? It feels like every app has at least one major flaw.
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yeah that's why zoomer youtube/twitch streamers only use obs.
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Do you contribute? If you don't, stop whining.
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>>69315506
That's why the idea behind "free software" is a fucking joke.
No one cares if the software is free as in fat bearded man's definition, they just want software they don't have to pay for and don't want to hear that they need to buy keys and shit for it.
It's always subpar crap because the people who make it don't really care about it and they don't expect themselves to continue having to maintain it so they just let random people add shitty code to it that makes it worse.
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>>69315506
I use for work RawTherapee 5.4 + GIMP 2.10 + LibreOffice Calc 6.1.3 on Ubuntu 18.10 with Xfce 4.13. All these are free and I make a decent money with them.
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Nah, they're just really incompetent. Think about it, if they were competent programmers, they wouldn't be working for free. I mean, how long does it take to implement filepicker thumbnails for any qualified programmer out there? Certainly not over 2 decades.
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>>69315633
>filepicker thumbnails
fucking boomer detected
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>>69315506
Yes they do OP, which is why I only use flawless proprietary software such as windows 10 which has never had a single bug or security problem, ever.

>>69315614
Also correct. Software freedom is not important which is why I only run pirated copies of photoshop. By the way, if you like the furry hentai drawings that I post on twitter please donate to my patreon.
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GIMP is not for drawing, it has never been for drawing.
GIMP is for image manipulation, and it is very good at it.
if you want to draw you should use Inkscape or Krita
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Because
>they do it for free

Seriously unless there's a big company investing there's no way to make money off developing it so it's just a side project for unemployable trannies
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>>69315691
>I personally am too poor to pay for it = there's no way to make money off it
Sucks to be you

>unemployable trannies
All the gimp developers are employed white men
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>>69315506
>at least one
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I'm glad GIMP exists with multi window mode, it makes certain projects much easier.

GIMP is the ultimate zoomer / brainlet filter.
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>>69315820
That just makes it worse, anon. Street-shitting pajeets are making better software than GIMP. No wonder you're all getting H1B'd into the poorhouse.
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>>69315820
Nigger what are you on about? You can't make a stable income off of libre software, that's just the nature of it
Why would you pay for something you can get for free?
The only exception I can think of is RHEL because they've monetised support, but good luck getting people to pay for support of pretty much literally anything else
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>>69315626
>I
>work
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>>69315943
This. The only way to make money out of FOSS is through "vendor-lock-in-by-obscurity" - which bastards like RHEL and IBM are experts at.
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>>69315506
Do proprietaryfags make bad software on purpose? Like, as a joke?
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>>69315943
>Waaah why does gimp have so many bugs and why is this feature that I want missing
>You can't make a stable income off of libre software, Why would you pay for something you can get for free?

Are you really this blind to the cognitive dissonance you are nursing here?
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>>69316020
Nah, they just provide you with stuff to ape, since you can't do it yourself.
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>tfw using windows with nothing but linux programs like kdenlive/lmms/libreoffice
get fucked freefriends
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>>69316036
Fucking retard
1. I'm not the OP who
2. Wasn't even suggesting that he was interesting in using Gimp, just calling it shit because
3. It's shit, which as I was explaining is because
4. You can't make a steady income off of FOSS
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>>69316075
And we're back to this again
>I personally refuse to pay for it due to autism = You can't make a steady income off it

I'm bored with this FUD, go market somewhere else, proprietard
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>>69316036
>software should be free! proprietary software is teh ebil!
>our software is inferior because we have no money
>accuses others of wilful blindness and cognitive dissonance
Shiggy.
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>>69316142
>2019
>still not internalizing that it's free as in freedom, not free as in price
>accuses others of wilful blindness and cognitive dissonance
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>>69316117
More like 99.99% of users won't pay for it due to lack of autism, so yes you can't make a steady income off of it
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>>69316182
>accuses others of wilful blindness and cognitive dissonance
They've raised their freetard shields - no logic can possibly penetrate them, captain.
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>>69316182
>free as in freedom, not free as in price
Libre is inherently gratis brainlet
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>>69315506
gimp is open source, if you have a problem with it fix it yourself.
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>>69316207
Nah, they really think they can have their cake and eat it too, anon. The problem is, the vast majority of their software isn't good enough to achieve that. So they end up in their vicious circle:
10 FAIL
20 BLAME "PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE"
30 GET MOCKED
40 GOTO 10
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>>69315665
Yes, it's for editing raster graphics not drawing.

But no one in this thread said it was for drawing.
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>>69316217
Or just use a far superior proprietary product
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>>69315506
>amdgpu is only fully free high performance gpu driver
>ability to force AA intentionally removed
its worse than you say OP. sometimes they have software which works fine then they go out of their way to gimp it, no pun intended
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>>69316284
/thread
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>>69316195
>My personal opinions are shared by 99.9% of people
>Therefore you can't make an income off it because I said so
Thanks anon for clearing that up

>>69316204
Not my fault you ignore a basic facet of the software which has been in place for literal decades

>>69316207
Everything is inherently gratis, value is assigned by humans, including you. You can choose to value your freedom, or you can throw it away.

>>69316252
>Asking for payment for goods and services is "having cake and eating it too"
I told you this FUD is pathetically boring, get a real job

>>69316284
>Proprietary software
>superior
Oxymoron
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>>69316322
Nice buzzwords faggot
Surely if FOSS was superior it would be the standard no? And they'd be raking in the big bucks?
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i use photoshop now but I used to use gimp for 2 years and there is nothing wrong with using it
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>>69316349
Both those things have already happened.
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>>69315541
Pretty sure they all use xsplit
Only poorfags use OBS
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>>69316322
>>69316363
Look at this absolute lying and cope.
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>>69316364
>xsplit

xsplit is a huge pile of shit.
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>>69316375
>someone says something i don't like
c-c-cope
f-f-fake news
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>>69316380
Is it FOSS?
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>>69316363
Standard meaning standard for software in general
But feel free to name some of the FOSS projects making bank
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>>69316398
The projection is hilarious.
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>>69316419
>y-your projecting!
>I'm n-not wrong!
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>>69316418
To be fair, there are a couple - but only because of >>69315975.
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>>69315506
>It feels like every app has at least one major flaw.
So what's wrong with GIMP?
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>>69316441
You're right and I'm the person that your referenced post replied to.
The few projects I can think of only make money either through selling something like support, or from mega corp donations trying to gain influence or good PR, either of which can only really apply to a couple of types of software.
The number of people actively donating to projects for no reason other than they like the projects and want to help the developers are extremely low.
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>>69316418
>Standard meaning standard for software in general
Go check how many companies are using github and how much microsoft just paid for it.

>But feel free to name some of the FOSS projects making bank
There are many but to keep it relevant to the thread, GIMP and Krita currently both have income from donations.


>>69316441
There are a lot more than a couple
>vendor-lock-in-by-obscurity
Not everything is common knowledge anon, business consulting is a perfectly valid service to provide.
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>>69316521
It's not Photoshop.
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>>69316547
Based baby duck poster
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>>69316540
Not saying it isn't - but when your the cash flow for your entire ecosystem is based upon it, there are going to be way more winners than losers. Again, nothing wrong with that - but when you make nothing from it and try to make proprietary software some sort of boogeyman (which is just thinly-veiled envy), it makes the whole thing very hard to take seriously.
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>>69316284
kek, fucking this.
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>>69316622
Way more losers than winners, rather. Bloody hell, is it already 4am?
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>>69316284
or just wrap a cactus around your neck. It's way better.
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>>69316622
Good thing there are many other services you can provide then

>when you make nothing from it and try to make proprietary software some sort of boogeyman (which is just thinly-veiled envy), it makes the whole thing very hard to take seriously
When all you know is slavery then it can be a while before you are able to take the concept of freedom seriously. Don't worry anon, I have faith you'll understand some day
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>>69316932
I know what slavery is, anon. You attempting to conflate it with proprietary software
>makes the whole thing very hard to take seriously
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>>69316997
This. Don't freetards realise how stupid and autistic this sort of shit makes them look? Like that crazy homeless guy on the street corner ranting about Jesus.
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>>69316997
>You can't be taken seriously cause you said a bad thing about something I like!
I don't need to attempt to conflate something which is already conflated
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>>69317017
No, they don't. Like Crazy Jesus Dude, they're actually deranged: they really believe the hyperbole they dribble. And they can't actually understand why we don't. Hence the hostility, because in their "minds", we're part of some sort of evil plot to enslave them and their freedumb-loving friends, and put them to work in coding mines under the evil lash of a robot Bill Gates or something.
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>>69317097
>evil lash of a robot Bill Gates
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>>69317097
zomg how can a bunch of autistic neets with no lives possibly think this way.
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>>69315506
nope, they make software that has usefull features but 'sometimes' lacks polish. usually cli programs are fully featured because they dont need to waste time with gliter and confetti
on top of that, things move slow because a lot of the work is voluntary
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>>69315506
It's almost as if making software is difficult
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>>69316057
this goes against the reason ppl praises windows an linux. linux is praised as a kernel, while windows is praised as having good/lots software. now your using the worst of each
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>>69317017
>>69317097
I never thought the day would come where people would be against software freedom. Why don’t you back to /v/ and leave us alone if you don’t like it here?
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>>69317017
Why would I care how some brainlet proprietard thinks I look?

>>69317097
The only person responsible for your freedom is you. There is no evil plot, you can place value on it if you choose to do so.
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>>69317225
>>69317268
Pure autism.
>why does everyone laugh at us?!
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>>69317292
>caring about freedom is autism
explain
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>>69317500
There is nothing he can explain. He is either an ignorant faggot or a troll. I both cases don't bother replying, it's not worth the time.
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>>69317500
You don't care about freedom, otherwise you wouldn't be trying (and failing miserably) to obstruct us the way you do. Nah, it's all envy: you can't rise to our level, so you try to pull us down to yours.
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>>69317535
The "freedumb" claims are just pseudointellectual masturbation to try to sound legit. Anybody who has lived in the real world sees right through it.
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>>69315626
>RawTherapee 5.4
over darktable why ?
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>>69317529
Some faggot NEET in a basement somewhere, never had a job, and is totally reliant on the taxpayer for his existence, has the audacity to claim that other people are ignorant or trolls.

This level of autism has to violate the laws of physics.
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>>69317586
Precise Lab adjustments, better sharpening tool, HaldCLUT, Retinex... I like the UI more
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>>69317598
>projecting this hard
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Another slow day in the adobe mailroom.
Another day on shill duty.
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>>69318964
Americans are legally required to tell you if they're being paid to advertise. This calling everyone a shill fad has never made any sense.
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Why do people hate GIMP so much? Nobody has provided any reasons so far...
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>>69319194
Do you think the FTC enforces disclosure the same way maybe the IRS or SEC control fraud and white collar crimes, with guns?
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>>69315506
Nobody is forcing you to use it OP, at least I hope so...
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>>69316521
>So what's wrong with GIMP?

It's an ungodly slow piece of shit now. Current version is 2.10 with an installer size of 200Mb. I didn't realize this until I tried to upgrade from my 10 year old version of 2.6 which had an installer size of 16Mb. For this massive bloat of 1250% all you get are a couple of new tools that photoshop has had for decades (warp tool) which bring my VR gaming rig to it's knees when you try to use them.

GIMP is a prime example of what is wrong with the software industry in general; it has become filled with unskilled generic drones that churn out shitty code which kind of works but needs super computer like resources to function.
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>>69319501
I'd like to interject. What you are calling GIMP is actual GNU Image Manipulation Program, or what I have been coming to call it, shitware.
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popular free software has existed for 40 years despite the rise and fall of empires. keep crying the megacorps love it
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the vast majority of software is custom software. so many small businesses exist it's not even funny. free software runs the world, you just don't know because their are no commercials for it.
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>>69315506
Why does most freeware have absolute shit designs/functionality can they not take notes from other programs
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>>69319606
>other programs
like apple? free software doesn't have marketing teams
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>>69316364
>Pretty sure they all use xsplit
Literally never fuckin heard of it man.
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>>69319303
Fuck them, I love GIMP. It's the textbook definition of baby duck syndrome, because I feel Photoshop to be cumbersome since I learned to sue GIMP first. If you're not a graphic designer who is forced by your employer to use Photoshop, I don't know why people find it to be lacking outside of hyper autistic bullshit. I use it to finalize all of my art after I draw it in Krita.
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free software is shit because free software developers misapply the unix philosophy
graphical user interfaces are large abstractions that do many things in many ways
this is literally the opposite of the unix philosophy
so instead of dropping the unix philosophy, they make a shit GUI, and add hotkeys and pretend it's good and unix like when it's literally an abortion that is neither good gui design or unix-like
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>>69315506
they use bad names in purpose
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What's wrong with Krita? I don't think Krita has any major flaws.
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>>69316364
cringe
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>>69315506
Gimp is great at what it does, image manipulation.
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>Blocks your path
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>>69319303
Drawing with a tablet on it is fucking abysmal, literally photoshop CS2 has better drawing tablet support and it came out in 2005.
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What's the Linux equivalent of FL Studio and can it even compete?
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>>69315506
why doesn't photoshop let you directly make new from clipboard
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>>69325567
It's not a drawing program you fucking dumbass. The IM in GIMP stands for Image Manipulation for a reason. Use Krita or some shit to draw
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>>69325661
if you cant use it to draw, theres literally no point in using it over something scriptable like imagemagick
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>>69319303
For me it's interface is a mess. It's quite a problem with many freetard software, because people behind it are usually programmers without any knowledge of UI design and too vain to hire a UI designer.
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>>69317535
Nice try, but the only one trying to obstruct people are proprietary developers who insist on attacking the user's freedoms in exchange for letting them use a piece of shitty software.

>>69317568
It's true the real world is full of people who are not free. Some people like yourself are happy to just go through life ignoring this and pretending it's not a problem.
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>>69315506
I don't think anyone would spend so much time on a joke, anon.
also, what paid software has no flaws? name one
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>open source
>everyone just makes the same shit poorly instead of doing the entire purpose of open source and working together

epic, now you have 300 ways to do the same thing using Open Source Software, but none of them are as good as single closed source product, woo.
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>>69326190
The thing that pisses me off the most are music players for some reason. Dozens of forks of a forks and nothing as good as foobar2000 made.
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>>69326190
closed source products aren't good

>>69326269
foobar isn't good
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>>69326269
Show me a better player.
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>>69316521
Why do you people always talk about PS vs GIMP? Don't you do realize that the entire suite of software programs that are meant for visual content creation is 100% absent from the FOSS world and Linux? Besides the Adobe applications, there's Cinema 4D, Maya, 3ds Max, Zbrush, SketchUp, SolidWorks, and others. These are industry standards. They are required for any job application form that you submit. They are used by every major VFX house in the industry. Windows is the only OS that can run all of them.
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>>69326269
What's wrong with VLC?
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https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-adobe.html
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>>69327241
Nothing wrong, but the main thing with foobar for me is the list of supported formats (through plugins, but its fine). Throw anything to it and it will eat it.
Things like SACD ISOs, CD ISOs, dsd-based files, etc. Everything "just works". With linux players this is now harder.
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>>69327036
Proprietary software by definition cannot be industry standard because it's controlled by one company. For a user who cares about freedom none of those programs are worth using.

>Windows is the only OS that can run all of them.
If your industry is owned outright by microsoft you should probably see that as a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
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>>69327241
The last time I touched it by default it didn't display colors correctly and I didn't want to go through too much hassle to fix it.
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Gimp is a bad example and is actually decent. But the real answer wholly unironically, is if you actually had good iseas and good software tou could make, you would make it proprietary, protect the IP and sell it.
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>>69327447
You're the /g/-version of a screeching SJW lunatic.
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>>69315506
welcome to the real world
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>>69327447
>by definition
I do not think this means what you think it means.
hint: industry standards have nothing to do with if stallman approves.
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The biggest FOSS meme I fell for was Freenas. I really should switch to unRaid but it would just be too much of a god damned hassle
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>>69327742
Taking a good piece of software and turning it proprietary makes it bad. Proprietary software can't be good as it attacks the user's freedom.

>>69327748
No, that would be proprietary developers who insist on taking away everyone else's rights just so they can peddle their botnet trash. It's the same as SJWs who insist on destroying freedom of speech just so they can be treated like special snowflakes

>>69327761
Industry standards are things that many companies in an industry come together to collaborate on.
So I'm sorry but if the software is owned and developed by one company instead of many, it isn't an industry standard.
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>>69327742
It's more that companies with money can gather together specialists and make them do what they don't necessarily like (but still can do), doesn't really matter if it proprietary or not. See RedHat, they contribute A LOT to opensource.
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>>69315614
>subpar crap because the people who make it don't really care about it
You couldn't be any more wrong.

The people who develop free software care a lot about it. That's why they're passionate enough to be involved in developing it. Being free is a part of the philosophy.

Sure, it's not gonna be as good as paid software because it's done on a voluntary basis and done in spare time as part of a community.

GIMP is fine.
Inkscape is fine.
Libre is fine.
Blender is fine.
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>>69327805
you are thinking of open standards retard. But you can actually develop proprietary standards that way as wel through like "alliances" or bullshit that license things. The industry standard is the standard software used in an indistry such as all those he listed.
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Compare GIMP to Krita.
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>>69326095
At least GIMP keeps some amount of feature discoverability intact, unlike Photoshop and such.
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>>69326269
Foobar isn't the best even out of well known players, but try something like Tauon that's Free and also superior to everything else in every way.
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ITT: freetard autistics who mistake licenses for code quality.
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>>69326269
cmus is better.
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>>69327748
Those people are also generally correct. At least, more correct than you.
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>>69328009
false


>>69327988
wrong


>>69327986
>cringe and bluepilled


>>69315506
>based


>>69327241
windows media
>player


>>69327748
>bluepilled
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>>69328040 (You)
wrong
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>>69328040
Wrong, as usual. Now take your meds.
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>>69327852
Except as you mentioned none of those softwares are either open or proprietary standards. They are just software, and they are low-quality.
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>>69327974
Tauon MB?
Lacks format support.
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>>69327988
Same shit as always - lack of format support. Why is that always the case? Isn't "unix philosophy" is "do one thing well" or some shit like that? Why can't players do their function well - play music.
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>>69328180
What formats are you missing with cmus?
I thought it supported everything common.
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>>69328089
>they are low-quality
Were you born so stupid or did you practice?
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>>69328191
Its not very common, but I'd like it support ISO files and things like DSD formats. For common formats linux players are ok, just take whatever interface you like more.
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>>69327986



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