/fat/ - Fat Loss GeneralMicker Monday Edition >Who is /fat/ for? For waffle warriors who are working towards a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice. Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/ >What do I do first? 1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/ 2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy 3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/ Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high. 4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php 5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros) or LoseIt (great for both). >Now what? Count calories, all of them. Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE. Buy scales, be accurate. Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables. Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per lb of goal lean body mass. Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks. Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and burn fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body burning away muscle AND fat. Drink more water. Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html >DON'T Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories. Eat processed foods. Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, starbucks). Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks. "Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself. >Other resources: Loose skin, gyno & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/ Reddit wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faq Previous: >>72843882
Ozempic. Take it
>>72863012Get it now before the nanny state takes it away
>>72862848If i keep drinking snake juice and eat nothing, realistically how long can I fast?I lost 6.5kilos back in August by ADF (water fast on fasting days) but i want to look at more intense forms of fasting. Nobody ever talks of the benefits of fasting other than weight loss. It fixed my BO, reset my appetite (i physically cannot eat as much as i did earlier) and many other things
>Ozempic>Snake Juice>Fasting "apps">Calories counting apps>Step tracksrWut
>>72863201Yes based. I'm going gym.
>>72862882I refuse. No need. 80+ percent the way to making it and I didn't need any crutches
>>72863119How long have you been on estrogen?
If I lose all the weight in my legs will I then start to lose the weight in other parts of my body?
>>72863510Yes. For me I first noticed it in my gut and legs took another 20 or so pounds to notice a difference.
>>72862097Intermediate fasting, only eating breakfast and lunch. No din din. No eating in between. Am not counting calories. Started to train at home for about 45 - 60 min daily, core and arms mostly. Started fasting and working out 24 days ago.Also have a bicycle which I ride daily, work as janitor (for real) sometimes doing manual labor. I think I've to do something about my flat chest.
>>72862882You're going to fuck your gastrointestinal tract up doing that. Stop popping pills you fucking idiot, they have consequences.
>>72863604>pills>ozempicyeah you know what you're talking about
>>72863605Find out, go ahead.
>>72862848>go on extremely restrictive 1200 cal/day diet>feel hungry all the time>hear that water can make you feel fuller for longer>try drinking a tall glass of water with every meal>holy shit it actually works>not only that but i have higher levels of energy throughout the day>constipation goes away>skin glowsHoly based. I am a retard for not discovering the powers of hydration on my own. Anyone else watermaxxing?
>eat 1500 calories a day and stall for weeks>eat 2000 a day and 1 or 2 cheat meals a week and I start to lose weight (albiet slowly)what the fuck
I'M AT THE FUCKING GYM BROZ
anyway to get ozempic/mounjaro for cheap. im broke and have no insurance. are there any research chem type shit alternatives?
>>72864238theres an anon here who has some source to order from china that he's been using and it works.
>>72864274shit im down with injecting random chinese chemicals .
>eating 6000kj a day for a week and a half>getting exercise almost every day>dropped .1kg since I startedkill me
>>72864299found it. hopefully that anon comes back for you. I'm doing omad + protein bar on 1mg of ozempic a week with lifting/cardio. it's working.
I heard sales of slop is down due to ozempic in the US
I’ve on and off lifted for like 6 years. I’m starting to get back into it, should I ramp up weight slowly from really easy weights or jump up to heavier weights that I know I can lift?
>>72864793Last thing you wanna do is hurt yourself, bro. Take it easy.
>>72863717don't forget to eat some extra salt too
>>72864793Start very low and ramp up aggressively back to your old weights over a few weeks.
>>72862882Why? Yacon syrup works better.
>injecting pharmaceuticals instead of just quitting carbsI'm sure this time the pharma drugs will work without causing serious harm. This time for sure...
>>72865700dang, it sure sucks to be that woman*injects ozempic*
>>72865797>take weight loss drug>shit pants in Wal-Mart>don't lose weight long termTale as old as time.
Anons. I'm very demotivated. I have been losing weight on a 1000 caloric deficit steadily for the past 5 months. But last 3-4 weeks...>i weigh myself weekly on a doctors scale>same clothes every time after i wake up drink water take a shit then weigh myself>some weeks no progress others barely 0.4kg lost>still on -1000 calories from my tdee on sedetary>this week i even did daily bike rides for 30-40mins a day >most days i leave 200-350 calories and dont eat them making my deficit well OVER -1000 calories>i record EVERYTHING! everything is tracked on cronometer, even drinks, condiments etcwtf is going on?! is my body used to my dieting and went in concervation mode? should i try going maintenance for a couple of weeks and reset back to a 500 deficit? i saw derek from moreplatesmoredates talk about this could be a thing if you go too high a deficit from the get go (which i did) and it messes up your loss. PLEASE HELP!>picrel my tdee
>>72865898You destroyed your metabolism by exercising and eating carbs while restricting calories.If you want to fix the problem, stop eating carbs. Don't exercise to 'burn calories', exercise for fitness (e.g. weight lifting, leisurely walks). Avoid seed oils. Eat unlimited saturated fat and protein from animal sources (e.g. bacon, steak, eggs, cheese).
>>72865898No such thing as starvation mode. If you've been maintaining for a month, then you're maintaining--seriously double check every calorie that enters your mouth. Think back to anything that might have changed.
>>72865700not trying to defend ozempic because i know nothing about it, but i hate seeing screencaps like this. every medicine has rare side effects that can kill you, even aspirine. chuds on this board talk a big game about hating doctors but the minute they get diagnosed with an aggressive tumor they'll be begging for chemo and a good surgeon to save them.
>>72865952Pharmaceuticals are for childish imbeciles. Always looking for a magic drug but never finding it.I guarantee the people taking Ozempic won't succeed at their goals. Just like every other weight loss drug in history. They're exposing themselves to harm for no reason.The thing that makes these weight loss drugs exceptionally bizarre is you can lose weight just by quitting carbs. People are so brainfucked by their carb addiction they would rather die than reduce carb consumption.
>>72865898>>picrel my tdeedo you do any exercise? what is a typical day for you? "sedentary" still adds ~500 calories from NEAT/assumed movement/light walking during the day. it's not impossible that you could be closer to BMR than you think.
>>72865938im very paranoid about over eating anything, i track E V E R Y T H I N G. to the 0.5 gram. there is no way i misscounted or misstracked anything. im 100% sure on this. heres my last week calories consumed>1500>1560>1520>1429>1512>1580>1323how the fuck did i only lose 0.4kg that week when my sedentary is 2700?>>72865983this past week i did daily bike rides like i said for 30-40 minutes, my hearrate was up to 190bpm for atleast 25 of those minutes, i have a watch thing that tracks this. i DID NOT account the excercise to my deficit. i just left it be as a bonus.
>>72865442Post current body with timestamp fatty
>>72865983nta. bmr is literally lying in bed all day doing nothing. sed is normal daily things like sitting/walking to rooms/driving to work. bmr doesnt ever count calories used to digest food.
>>72865996Are you updating your tdee as you lose weight? It changes as you lose fat. Mine was ~2800 when I started, and by the end (90 lbs later) it was down to 2300-2400.
>>72865996>>72866027Aside from that, weight loss just slows down as you get closer to your goal. I lost 20 lbs in the first month, by the last month I was losing 5 lbs at best.
>>72866027yes i 100% do. every week whenever theres a change i add it to the settings of cronometer and it automatically updates my deficit allowance. >>72865938picrel is what i was refering to. my gripe is with my deficit i should theoretically be losing closer to 1kg not 0.4kg.
>>72865996Calorie counting doesn't help anyone lose weight. In fact it makes it more difficult.Pic related.
>>72863529nice improvement, but just bear in mind that composite exercises, specially legs, burn a lot of calories, time efficiency-wise it's actually better than cardio
>>72865700hard disagree, she def should
>>72865700Rip jk Rowling
>>72865936>exercise for fitness, not for burning caloriesBest advice ketoschizo has ever given. Good job
>>728659962700 sounds way too high though. I'm 8cm shorter than you, but 2850 is my bulk and I'm sure I have a lot more muscle (I'm at ~13% BF)Some roiders bodybuilders with A LOT of muscle do bulks of 3500 calories a day, while working out a couple hours every single day, there is no way your TDEE is 2700
Allright, time to start my diet to get my beach body for early 2024.Starting out at:>66kg>160 cm>TDEE 1800-1900 kcal/day (not lazy, just a foid)Goal:Getting below 60 kg by new years eve (about 1 kg/week)Strategy:Fasting for a few days to get going and then switching to 1000-1300 kcal/dayAnd going to the gym 1-2x per week.Expected problems:>low blood pressure getting too low again>GF saboutaging me and trying to convince me I should not lose weight>holliday season means I am socialy expected to consume calorie dense food several times
>>72866401fuck off dyke tranny.
>>72865442They're both hot they can both top me
Eating carbs makes me happy
>>72865976I lost 80lbs so far and 35 pounds away from my target weight, by eatting carbs and avoiding sweets and junk food and with a daily ozempic assist all while doing Layne Nortons PHUL program and doing 30 minutes of cardio daily. >t. Greek gruel
>>72866777Can't wait to rape you at Miku Expo.
>consistent exercise>consistent lifting>consistent macros>consistent diet>consistent weight losswait, I'm goated
>>72866423Anon, If I was a tranny, I'd be like 180 cm.Also you should chill, no the troon mafia will not capture you and inject you with estrogen
>>72865952You need to be critical of the sources you get information from. Odds are keto faggot gets his news sources from tiktok/Instagram reels. I have a stupid retard cousin who's just like him, who sends me dumb right wing reels all the time of either a podcast bro or some unhinged faggot who talks about what's wrong with the world. One example is he sent me a reel talking about how "Canada but the LGBT rainbow in the new passport" but after doing research there isn't a rainbow but 4 colour stripe going down the page to indicate Canadas 4 seasons. He also always sends me "fitness tips" which is just some roided loser telling me to not take ozempic while he injects pajeet bathroom tren shirtless and to take his 30 day bootcamp course. It's the same with this retards news sources. It was getting promoted by the hindustan times, NY post and other right wing/pajeet troll farms. There wasn't one reputable source that this person even fucking existed and the "source" of the ozempic killing someone was the husband who saw her vomiting something brown (kinda like a drug overdose/ulcer from alcoholism). She also was taking 2 glp-1 drugs together to try and lose weight.Like most faggots they tend to follow cultish memes and political agendas to own the libs or some shit. Antiozempic shit is shilled so much by snake juice salesmen and the fast food industry all the time because they know when fatties Begin losing weight it's over for America's goyslop industry also. You take ozempic you immediately Lose weight, you begin to make better choices due to the weight loss motivation. Remember whenever information is presented to you, it's thinly veiled advertising 90 percent of the time.Ever loser that promoted fad diets were the most easily influenced people ever. It's always been simple. Increase protein intake, exercise cause it's good for you, reduce calories, reduce carbs, stop drinking your calories, become healthy and live a long life.
>>72866802I really hope your a cute (actual) girl and take me for dinner first.
someone actually noticed my weight loss at work today, the first person to do so that wasn't my mom or sister. feeling good bros, got a new burst of motivation
>>72866981I get my info from doctors, scientists, and my own personal experience. The totality of evidence agrees with me, pic related. My results also confirm I am correct.Didn't read past the first sentence of your shitty post.
>>72867147Interesting. You wouldn't happen to post your body with a timestamp would you?
>>72867061Don't get upset if it doesn't happen too often. Weight is a touchy subject for a lot of people, and weight loss can be caused by a lot of things. It wasn't until I made it clear that the weight loss was on purpose for health reasons that my coworkers said anything about it because they were afraid of being rude. Also, if you're gigafat like I am, it takes a lot of weight to see any changes and was really only obvious when I sized down in clothing.wagmi
>>72867147>The totality of evidence agrees with methe totality of evidence also shows that saturated fat is bad and that red meat is badso do you just follow the evidence when its in your favor or what?
>>72866777how could high fat low carb diets cause kidney diseases? wouldnt that be the go to type of diet hunter gatherers lived off? I know a ton of them ate a lot of shellfish, fish and meat
>>72867197It's not the point. The point is I could find retarded sources to support whatever nonsense Im spouting.For me. Just eat fucking better and food that doesn't make you feel like shit and lift with cardio.
>>72867217>not your body>no timestamp. >probably a discord demoralizing trannyMore accurate picrel
>>72867184The evidence shows that red meat and saturated fat are healthy.The problem you suffer from is you're domesticated like a dog so being a 'good boy' is of utmost importance to you. You have picked up the signals from powerful people that 'good boys' don't eat meat.I'm sure you also got injected with experimental mRNA pseudovaccines because that's what good boys do. I was able to evaluate the evidence myself and chose to refuse the clotshot, because I am intelligent and an independent thinker.You would be wise to listen to my advice.
>>72867236Dishonest journalism is common, yes. They tell us global warming is happening, meat is bad, and we have to get clotshots or else we will die.I don't understand your point. Lies and truth are not comparable. They are opposites.
>>72867255>The evidence shows that red meat and saturated fat are healthy.Some evidence show thatBut if you look at the totality of the evidence than that is clearly not true>I'm sure you also got injected with experimental mRNA pseudovaccinesYeah /pol/ promised me that i would die, unfortunately i did not
>>72867236oh ok thank you anon
>>72866777Here's an example of what carnivore diet does to your kidneys.SPOILER: Carnivore cured kidney disease that was so severe a kidney transplant would have been needed.
>>72867197yeah hunter gatherers all lived to be a 102 years old
>>72867331https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-16999-6_2352-1>Hunter-gatherers do not experience short, nasty, and brutish lives as some earlier scholars have suggested (Vallois 1961). Instead, there appears to be a characteristic life span for Homo sapiens, in that on average, human bodies function well for about seven decades. These seven decades start with high infant mortality rates that rapidly decline through childhood, followed by a period in which mortality remains essentially the same to about 40 years. After this period, mortality rates rise steadily until around 70 years of age
>>72867304>Never heard of the Inuit.>Never heard of Vilhjalmur Stefansson.
>>72866777>>72867197High-fat low-carb diets cure kidney disease.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37935200/
>>72867304All evidence shows red meat is the healthiest food possible for humans.Evidence also shows that bad guys really don't want us to eat red meat. They lie about it constantly.
>>72867358How are those relevant to the totality of the evidence?Maybe you shouldnt have used that exact phrase.......
can keto cure a revoked medical license?
>>72867370I guess someone would have to get their license revoked first to test that out.If you mean 'voluntarily surrendered' then yes. Carnivore diets cause people to get their license reinstated just to piss off vegans (you).
>>72867361>people who stop drinking liquor and hfcs everyday have less disease.Shocking. Your falling for the same disinformation campaign the sugar industry did thst you constantly spout.
>>72867217Post current body with timestamp, hamplanet.
>>72867367Maybe you should go read about the Inuit and their diet and what Vilhjalmur Stefansson did.
what's the simplest keto diet? bacon and broccoli?
Reminder to /fat/ that you should only engage ketoschizo to ask him to post current body with timestamp. It's fun. He never does. Everything is at best from early 2022, most even older.
>>72867430Why not just bacon and eggs?
>>72867441i don't like eggs
>>72867425>still not posting current bodyA tale as old as time.
>>72863119>Hes fat>Hes trans>He buys name brand
>>72867430When I started keto I mostly ate breakfast food. Bacon, eggs cooked a variety of ways, cheeses like aged cheddar or high fat cottage cheese, sausages. Very easy to make a delicious keto meal for breakfast.For dinner I eventually started eating burger patties made with medium ground beef or steaks when I can afford it. Sauerkraut is a great side dish with meat for dinner.
>>72867449>i don't like eggsSounds kinda low-T but okay anon try something different
>>72867440>He never does>Everything is at best from early 2022So he does post body?
>>72867486Nice reading comprehension. Current body. Not two years ago body. Now post current body fatso.
>>72867147>this low carb themed website and organization agreeing with me is "The totality of evidence"Literal echo chamber.
>>72867538>all studies ever done comparing low-fat with low-carbi DoNt LiKe ThAt SoUrCe!!!!11
>>72862848GUYS I HAVE A QUESTION. Going into week 2 of my cut. Two days a week heavy duty gymnastics type shit, two days cycling classes. I'm now at my heaviest weight and carrying 5 lbs of water at all times. I'm eating 500-600 calories under maintenance religiously. What the fuck and why? *I'm probably not gaining muscle as I've been doing this a long time. Yes, I'm hitting my protein requirements.
>>72867471Not trans, almost not fat and can bench 3 plates and yes I make 150k a year.
>Weight lift and do cardio 5 days a week>Bad things happen go into a major depressive episode>For nearly an entire year I basically do literally nothing but sleep and play video games>Up to almost 400 pounds>Buy one of theseIf it doesn't kill me, I think it's going to work
>>72867960>>72867745Decaffeinate immediately and begin Ozempic regiment
>image MD5 the keto-schizo pic>jesus lord oh god whatwhy does he do it? what drives him to this madness?
>>72867745Stop eating carbs or just stop eating
>>72862882i did its based, lost 20 lbs on it so far.
How long does it take for water weight to start going down after a few days or really high salt intake?
>people cutting at or near 3k calI'll never get this. Either fast/slow metabolism is actually very real or people all have very physically active jobs or something But also I realised I need to try harder, fuck having any day where I do nothing, it just at least be an hour of cardio if no gym that day
>>72862848how come the mascot of /fat/ is always a blue haired gril?is that also miku?
>>72868774When youre insanely fat you can cut on 3k calories. Its honestly better for them that way as weird as it can seem
Dumb question, but how do you calculate eggs? The per-egg values are different everywhere because logically eggs come in different sizes everywhere. Do you just take the per 100g value and then weigh them? Also some margin of error because of whites:yellows ratio prolly, but should be fine?
Back on a diet startinf December 2nd until christmas. Not dieting feelsgoodman
>>72868917assume 70 calories for a large egg. pretty standard.
>>72868917I wouldn't worry about it too much. Calorie counting doesn't work so the number you use doesn't matter.Eggs are animal protein and fat. Super healthy, slimming food. The more you eat the better. Calorietards will say the opposite.
>>72868917Use whatever is on the package. Typically they are either large or extra large, and they'll tell you what the per-egg values are. Unless you are buying them from a farm or something I guess. Then just go with 70 cal.
>>72868144No ye demon! NAY
Blessed thread.God is great.
>>72862848>Plateaus can last up to three weeksthis sucks. i've only lost 3 lbs so far and i'm already plateauing for over a week now. i have 50 more lbs to go.
>>72862882Ozempic and Mounjaro didn't help me lose any weight :^(
>>72867236"just lifting heavy" wont get you past 5/3/5 (unless steroids or overeating obviously).You need to follow training science principles, the rightmost end of the bell curve would be the lifter who follows training science principle but does so using simple programs he himself wrote.The midwit should be the programcuck, the guy who browses r/weightroom basically.The halfwit should be the "i just lift heavy".Which means that this template cannot be applied to training.
>>72869014>I wouldn't worry about it too much. Calorie counting doesn't work so the number you use doesn't matter.>Eggs are animal protein and fat. Super healthy, slimming food. The more you eat the better. Calorietards will say the opposite.>T. Keto tranny
>>72869231Works on my machine.
>>72869309>Same old as fuck reposted screenshots.Truly, fatty, I am shocked.
>>72867551I picked one at random and it was just as I thought. Water weight. >https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207>Subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet had lost more weight than subjects on the conventional diet at 3 months (mean [±SD], –6.8±5.0 vs. –2.7±3.7 percent of body weight; P=0.001) and 6 months (–7.0±6.5 vs. –3.2±5.6 percent of body weight, P=0.02), but the difference at 12 months was not significant (–4.4±6.7 vs. –2.5±6.3 percent of body weight, P=0.26>difference at 12 months was not significantYeah it's just water weight. Like every stupid low carb study
>>72869487Wow you're so rigorous.
>>72869487>difference at 12 months was not significant71 RCTs.62 showing greater weight loss on low-carb.39 showing SIGNIFICANTLY greater weight loss.And you 'randomly' chose one without significant results. And then you're going to hang your hat on that instead of admitting that low-carb is better.Total delusion. How many clotshots do you have destroying your brain right now?
>>72869495Feel free to provide me one you would like me to read. >>72869489>50 dayswater weight. they were measured with a dexscan which can't test for water in visceral fat. It would have balanced out if they tested for longer.
>>72869526I don't care if you read any of them. You're retarded. It would be like trying to get a dog to read them.You're replying to a study with significant results, by the way. Again showing your doglike subhumanity.
Based fat loss plan>day 1 fast>day 2 keto>day 3 fast>day 4 eat whatever as long as its not fast food>repeatWill be trying it for 2024.
>>72869570what a meme """diet""".Just do CICO.
>>72869577CICO is a meme diet.
>>72869577I dont like counting calories. Just taking days off eating is both easier and more effective.
>>72869570Unsustainable, you'll cave after a month or two. Just eat slightly under maintenence just like everyone else does.
>>72869531Yes watertight is significant. Eat a high carb/sodium dinner and your weight will go up 5 - 6 pounds. Then fast most of the next weight and you will piss most of it out. It's very easy to lose around 10 pounds of water weight when you first start keto over the first couple of weeks.
>>72869633>the men on the low-carb diet lost three times as much abdominal fat
>>72862848I’m a little confused and was unable to find the answer on my own if someone could help me out.When you are in a deficit, and your body uses stored body fat as energy, does any of that fat get used the same way dietary fat would (normal function etc)?Like if to maintain my weight I had to eat 3000 calories and 60-80g of that was fat, and I dropped to 1500-2000 calories (I know big deficit), and only ate 40g of fat, would my body then use the stored body fat to compensate for the rest of the fat I’m not getting?Or does it just get used for the same energy as carbs?
>>72869583calories in and calories is the basics if weight loss.Its thermodynamics you fucking faggot.
>>72869687Your body can't use stored fat when insulin is high. If you're on a 'calorie deficit' and eating carbs you catabolize muscle.Pic related.
>>72869687why are you redditspacing?
>>72869671I don't understand what's so difficult about this. If you've ever lost weight doing keto and a standard calorie deficit you would know this. You lose a ton of watertight at first with keto, then plaque out and eventual the CICO catches up to you. 10 pounds of water weight lost will easily be more than the water weight the CICO is losing. The actual FAT loss is the same though, which is why after several months the results even out.
>>72869713Calories are a hoax. Calorie estimates have nothing to do with weight or body composition.
>>72869731>don't do keto>it's just water weightWeak shilling.
>>72869720no.Insulin is high when you ingest food, obviously you wont use your energy storages when there is fucking new energy right there.You think that "carbs = insulin" when thats not the case whatsoever.No energy ingested recently = you use the stired fat.Not enough energy ingested = you use the stored fat.This is why CICO always works if you just fucking follow it. I did and i list 30lbs, from 85kg to 70kg
>>72869732Do you find enjoyment out of confusing ignorant, struggling fatsos? fucking kill yourself.
>>72869743you dont even know the principles behind keto.The point of keto is not the ketogens, its eating more protein and fat so you arent hungry and you don't overeat. Obviously with lardos who eat for enjoyment/boredom that will never work and the only weight they will lose is water.
>>72869756They're struggling because they think calories matter.
>>72869770>one group restricts calories>other group eats unlimited calories>unlimited calorie group has better resultsThe key difference: no carbs.
>>72869761that literally means nothing you retard.No, i wont be posting body, i dont need to. I do not need the validation if some psychopath who spends his days flooding the most remote corners of the internet with low quality, high effort shitposts. Either argue with me with facts and logic or fuck off.
>>72869772i have already addressed this in >>72869770, in which i have addressed >>72869780 and explained why what you say does not apply to the lardos who eat out if boredom.
>>72869761>post body>t. Keto tranny
>>72869796>'lardos' eat unlimited calories>lose more weightoh no cicobros
>>72869824>comparing lowfat to lowcarb>not comparing CICO to lowcarbhow fucking dishonest can you be?are you jewish?
>>72869839second readthrough, i am retard lol.>>72869824still, >women>lardos>98% of diets fail>these are averagesgraph means nothing.If you follow CICO you lose weight, period. Its science, actual science.
>>72869839>compare two groups>one eats unlimited calories>other restricts calories>unlimited calorie group has better resultsKeto is so fucking based. Unlimited calories, no hunger, and you actually succeed long term.Calorietards just keep getting fatter every time they yo-yo.
>>72869849If you follow CICO you destroy your metabolism and remain permanently fat. See: >>72865936
I VILL have sex with Miku
>>72869857>"every time they yo-yo">admits its about the subjects and not the method>meme-styled postyou are honestly unbelievable.Why does Rick npt do anything about this guy?
>>72869865lol, "destroy your metabolism".Its called being cathabolic, it is a needed state to lose weight.High class murderers.
>>72869887It's not the person it's the diet strategy.People who think calories matter fail. People who focus on carbs succeed.CICO is one of the most harmful lies in human history.
>>72869899No it's called mitochondrial coupling.When you quit eating carbs your metabolism boosts by +500kcal/day or more.When you eat carbs on a deficit you can destroy your metabolism by -800kcal/day as you can see in the biggest loser study.
>>72862882>Ozempic>>72863012>>72863604None of you obese losers would notice the adverse side effects>Possible side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, constipation, abdominal pain, headache, fatigue, indigestion/heartburn, dizziness, abdominal distension, belching, hypoglycemia (low blood glucose) in patients with type 2 diabetes, flatulence, gastroenteritis, and gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD). It can also cause pancreatitis, gastroparesis, and bowel obstruction.
>>72869925It also causes cancer, diarrhea, and death.Goys gonna goy. Enjoy your pharma drugs.
>>72869920no, thats not what happens. You just made up a term lmao.The reason they expend more calories is because digesting protein and fats takes more energy because they are complicates molecules, carbs on the other hand take less energy.Your entire (((arguments))) depend on the other person being ignorant.Are you an actual jew? you are replying twice too, thats a common manipulation tactic.Hitler talked about such things...
>>72869914it is the person, full stop.CICO is basic fucking thermodynamics, do you believe that bacteria doesnt exist?
>>72869966Calorietards gonna tard.>Insulin selectively reduces mitochondrial uncoupling in brown adipose tissue in mice https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29170160/
>>72869973It's the advice they are given as you can see by the aggregated studies here: >>72867147Also pic related.The diet strategy is so important that unlimited calorie low-carb works better than restricted calorie low-fat.
>>72869985>selectively reduces...in brown adipose tissueyeah? that doesnt disprove what i said whatsoever. Lol, lmao even
>>72869997More carbs = lower metabolism.>A high-carbohydrate diet lowers the rate of adipose tissue mitochondrial respirationhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01097-3CICO irrevocably BTFO.
>>72869993>The diet strategy is so important that unlimited calorie low-carb works better than restricted calorie low-fat.i agree to that 100%.O didnt mention this earlier since i was straight laughing at ketoschizo but lowfat is stupidly hard to stick to.The best weight-loss strategy imo would be CICO and going as lowcarb as you beed to be able to stick to your diet.>captcha: triple y, double hseems blessed
>>72869806>>72869761>>72869747>>72869720I swear any time a genuine question is asked it ALWAYS gets answered with some faggot shit about insulin and like clockwork it turns out to be this ketofatty.I just want to know>if I don’t get enough dietary fat, will my body compensate by pulling it from my fat stores.And>do I need to be in a deficit for that to work? Would a deficit make it work less efficiently or more? Or would a cut go more smoothly keeping dietary fat at the same level?I don’t care about the faggot insulin science mumbo jumbo. I don’t want to hear “muh carbs are spiking insulin and it’s actually hormones that determine if you can lose weight not calories” genuinely and I mean this genuinely go fuck yourself with a spiked bat if that’s all you can say (ketoschizo).>>72869726Bro this board gave up on giving a shit about that like 2 years ago you’re the first anon to call this out that I’ve seen in a while
>>72870011i have already addressed that in >>72869966 ...
>>72870027>I just want to know>>if I don’t get enough dietary fat, will my body compensate by pulling it from my fat stores.>And>>do I need to be in a deficit for that to work? Would a deficit make it work less efficiently or more? Or would a cut go more smoothly keeping dietary fat at the same level?its not about the fat.You shouldnt look at bodyfat as "fat" in the first place since its made of different compounds but thats irrelevant to your question.You should look at your bodyfat as "energy storages", if you dont eat enough food your body takes your bodyfat, processes it into energy and then you can keep functioning.You need a deficit for it to work, body recomposition is a thing tho. To decide how steep a deficit you need or if you need a deficit at all (23BMI skinny fat fir example) you would need to evaluate your situation.
>>72870027Your body cannot use fat from your fat stores when you are eating carbs.
>>72870028>i have already addressed that
>>72870054I understand I’m genuinely curious about my exact question though. I genuinely just need to scratch this itch to learn whether or not that happens.>body needs 60g/fat a day to function optimally>person starts eating 30g/fat a dayWould, after any initial shock period where they felt like shit, the body begin using any of the bodyfat to compensate?>different compoundsIs adipose tissue not just saturated fat?
>>72869877Leave my wifu alone doll freak
>>72870065>NOOO YOU CANT JUST CALL OUT HOW I AM IGNORING WHAT YOU SAID AND PUSHING POINTS THAT WERE ALREADY FOUND TO BE INVALID DURING OUR DISCUSSION!!!! LOOK AT THIS SUUYJAK I PORTRAYED YOU AS!!! here, look at the animegirl i portrayed you as. Fucking schizotranny
>>72870092>Is adipose tissue not just saturated fat?it wouldnt be 7calories oer gram if it was, i dont know what its composed of specifically either tho.>person eats less fats than they need toworse cholesterol balance and if they go low enough that causes endocrine system problems, such as less T because there is less cholesterol available. That also means less e2 so less neuroprotection and less plastic action at the organs, thats why you would feel shitty.
>>72870092>Would, after any initial shock period where they felt like shit, the body begin using any of the bodyfat to compensate?It depends what food you eat and when you eat it.
>>72870115Benefits of carb reduction include- less hunger- higher metabolism- lose fat instead of muscle
>>72870065post jewbody with dated timestamp>>72870027all that matters is cico. proteins and fats are better to eat because they are more satiating. reduce carbs and find your TDEE and do some exercise. You willk recomp. >>72869925based glp-1 bro>>72869940>don't have cancer, or diarrhea or death. It's as if my body finally eats like a normal person, say from a lack of GLP-1
>>72870149>less hungerbecause fats and protein trigger the release of leptin, i have previously stated thats a benefit.>higher metabolism ok>lose fat instead of muscle that strictly, only applies when you compare somebody who doesnt eat protein (aka. average person in the world) to somebody on lowcarb. Of you compare someone on a proper doet of 2g of protein per kg of lean mass who also eats highcarb there will be no difference in muscle retainance. Carbohydrates are also ananolic, which means if you wnat to build muscle past 2/1/2 you need carbs.You are, once again, being an idiot.Is your strategy to just outreply your opponents? Hitler sais you jews would usually change the matter of discouse and then act like nothing happened the day after. Do ypu have nothing else to talk about, by chance? I do not know how long you have been shitting up this place for but maybe you have actually been braindamaged after being btfod so many times.as i said in >>72869756, i know why you started doing this. Why do you keep at it is what i wonder about...
>>72870197>that strictly, only applies when you compare somebody who doesnt eat protein (aka. average person in the world) to somebody on lowcarb.You're illiterate, bro. The muscle loss is caused because carbs raise insulin. Insulin blocks fat burning. When you can't burn fat, you lose muscle.>i know why you started doing thisTo help people lose weight like me. It sucks to fall for the calorie psyop. I fell for it too. I didn't manage to lose weight until I figured out calories are a sugar industry hoax.
>>72870235>I want to help people lose weight>but only if they read my daily spam/meme images and talk like a retardmeanwhile>It’s safe to say the dude knows how to eat. During his time in the WWE, The Rock was taking in 6,000 to 8,000 calories a day—and his diet has largely remained the same.“I do eat five to six, sometimes seven meals a day, whether or not I’m training for a role, which usually I am training for some sort of role or trying to maintain for the role that I’m currently in,” he told Delish.Johnson typically starts his day with cream of rice or oatmeal, topped with some buffalo and eggs. Meal two is a carb—rice or a sweet potato—and some chicken, followed by meal three of either chicken and rice, or buffalo and greens.Throughout the day he’ll eat some fish like cod or salmon, although he jokingly told Delish he hates the latter (“But it’s a great fish in terms of your health and fitness,” he says).The rest of his meals have a balance of protein and carbs and some greens before bed.Johnson’s cheat days have become legendary—and he knows it. “I do believe in working hard throughout the week and earning your cheat meals at the end of the week,” he told Delish.Even while taking down all these nutrients, Johnson still takes quite the supplement stack. It’s reported that he takes at least seven daily supplements including fish oil, Casein, BCAAs, L-Glutamine, Glucosamine, whey protein, and Amino Acids.ketojew's constant misinformation campaign. post hand.
>>72870256>muh celebrityHe uses steroids.Why does he use steroids? Because body composition is 100% determined by hormones. Not calories.
>>72870235i literally lost 15 kilos and gained 120 kilos on my squat on a deficit dude, calories are it.Higher insulin does not lead to muscle loss, insulin insensitivity does tho. Everything you have provided to support this falsity you are pushing is red herrings. "oh, look at this study that says if you get an illness you die, goy", "oh, did you just say that you only die if the illness is one of these illnesses? what do you mean covid19, of the family of the common cold wont kill you?".One type of fat specifically becoming unviable for digestion is not a bad thing.If you, in stead, provided a study that says eating carvohydrates on a deficit causes atrophy, which is what you are trying to push, which is false, i would be forced to agree. Fortunately, but sadly for you, such a study doesnt exist. The closest you will come is "american who eats meat once a week becomes skinnyfat after q cut" which is inconsequential to what i am talking about but you will spam it amyways.I really wish God could rid the earth of subhumans like you.
Why the fuck am I losing weight eating fucking pie everyday, but stalled hard on 1500 calories a day. This is like a spit in the face. Also I booked 3 weeks at THE Kabuki-cho APA Hotel portrayed in Ryu Ga Gotoku. Cant fucking wait to be there in february. Already got the 4 pack abs online, heres going for the 6 pack by then. Pic related is what japanussy does to a motherfucker.
>>72870278not eating carbohydrates literally makes you hypogonadol."Derek from Moreplatesmoredates dot com over on Youtube, Snapchat and Apple podcast who also has a telemedicine clinic with doctors who know what they are tal... " has a video on it in which he reacts to cuckter saladino's blood test results
>>72870323If the anons in this thread were half as committed to weight loss as you are to trolling them, theyd look like the machinist.
Is cycling a good workout for weight loss(along side eating better obv)? What distance/time cycling is best for losing fat?
>admits his spam images of his keto body aren't his>claims he lost weight from keto.No wonder why this jew won't post his body.
>>72870373What the fuck are you talking about?
>>72870338i am not trolling anybody tho...
>>72870385Your op image never lost weight from keto retard. He was a rock climber and even stated that. He was never fat. Can't even keep up with your own larp.
>>72870413??? no, seriously.
>>72870411You're confusing Keto Chad with Bouldering Chad.
I wonder how accurate this is. It's everything I ate today. I don't know brands. It's also too much effort to know exact measurements. I made a cup of rice with 2 chopped up chicken breasts and bowl of frozen green beans for dinner lunch and dinner. So 3 meals. Seems okay. I don't know my exact measurements either for bmi. It's about what I was adding up in my head planning meals. But I used 2k calorie.
>>72870464Forgot Pic. Of course. I feel like I'll make good progress. Better than I have been with just guessing and not planning. I've also started playing ringfit each day.seems okay. There's a gym at my apartment complex but last time I visited I seen a woman.
>>72870481>low-fat high-carb dietRIP
>>72865442Sup' dude. Good work spreading the word and cucking the anti keto shills. i am 1 month into carnivore and losing the weight while feeling pretty good. I've been fat for all of my life, and this is the first time i actually think that i will gonna make it.
>>72870497Yeah. Only big source of fat was liver sausage. Not a big fan of fatty foods. Prefer rice potatoes and oats. Natural peasant. Like greens and fruits 2. For a solid year I ate a sandwich with white bread 2 slices of lunch meat 2 slices of cheese with mayo mustard tomato lettuce and avocado. For lunch. This is less calories. And snacks. Only snack is celery with liver sausage some dry fruit.
>>72870481You should use a scale instead of measuring by volume.
>>72870502>Sup' dude. Good work spreading the word and cucking the anti keto shills. >i am 1 month into carnivore and losing the weight while feeling pretty good.The real redpill is you should try every diet that seems promising for a few weeks and see how you like them.
>>72870524based. Keep doing what you are doing, YAGMI.
>>72870502Happy to help bro. You will totally make it now that you have the knowledge you need. Knowing is half the battle.
>>72870542He's doing low-fat high-carb.
>>72870548its worling for him.
>>72870572Low-fat diets cause obesity.
>>72870580not in his case.
>>72870586That depends on whether his goal is to lose weight successfully or yo-yo back to his starting weight.
>>72870610>just because the average fat larderican fails to ztay at a proper weight you will toono.
>>72870610post body. yours. from today.
According to losertown, I will weigh 3lbs a year from now, that's about as much as my dog. Is this sustainable?
>>72865898Your maintenance calories are a moving target. The calculators can get a rough estimate but it cant account for how your body reacts to activity and intensity levels. Its also totally normal to stall for 3 weeks. Give it another week and if it doesnt start to go down, you need to lower your calories again.
>>72870481>banana>rice >oatmealWhy are you bulking? You're in wrong thread, go make a /bulk/
>>72870628People regain weight because they believe the calorie hoax.
>>72870303Nice work. Looking this good in a tee shirt is my first goal. Im almost there, tee shirts now hang straight down instead of around my belly at least. Bought my first tighter fitting tee shirt on the weekend. Was definately motivation to keep going. WAGMI
>>72871171>bulking foodsThis is why Ive stalled too I rekon. Got too cocky and started adding in a few more real foods. Digestion has improved, but ive stopped losing weight. I need to go back to my low cal diet and just accept that pooping a few rocks a week is just a means to an end.
>>72871302Thank you. Ive actually started tucking in my more formal shirts and im thinking about getting some button ups tailored to fit slimmer om the waist. Do your best and in a long enough time you'll make it. Just practice for an hour with my longsword for a bit of cardio to work off my big lunch and to prep for my first tournament tomorrow. Im only 2 months into the sport so im about to eat a shitload of thwacks with a metal sword, but I really hope uncorking my wrestling during sword clashes will get me a sneaky win or two.
>>72871601>ma, I used a pic from reddit as my avatar!
currently 130 kgsgoal is 90kgsif i ate 1kg of chicken breast a day broken into 2 meals and nothing else for a month i would hit about 230g protein and 1200 cals. would this make me lose muscle lifting 4x a week (upper, lower, rest, upper, lower, rest, rest)
>>72862882im on it right nowI feel like a normal human being and not a garbage disposal.I was eating 3 burgers a day before now i have no desire to drink soda/ eat carb foodIm on my 2nd week as of yesterdayfrom a lifelong fatty. Ive been fat since kindergarten;ive gone down to 180 lbs when i was in my early 20s's (met someone who I thought I loved and lost 120 lbs) , had to leave because she made me feel like shit and went up to 300, then depression doubled down and i was at 413 with a ravenous hunger (eating 3 burgers for breakfast at carls when they opened at 7 am, famous star and 2 chicken sandwhiches)my 2nd week on it and I feel like i have a normal persons appetite . I've gained such control over my hunger that I'm able to deny free fast food from parents. I can't wait to be human again and not feel completely out of place. one thing im looking forward to is enhanced brain function with the less fat.
>>72871951>>ma, I used a pic from reddit as my avatar!Thats me bro...
>>72872053why are these files screenshots? and why are they JPGs and not PNGs?
>>72872227>why are these files screenshots? and why are they JPGs and not PNGs?fastest way of compressing the photos im taking is to screenshot them. theyre always juuuuust over the file size limit when i take a picture
>>72862848Is 26% bodyfat @ 6'1 / 288.1/lbs any indication I have a decent base of lean mass for when I lose the rest? I dropped nearly 140lbs since the beginning of the year.
>>72870114ATTENTION /FAT/MIKU IS MY WAIFUDO NOT TEST MESHE AND I BELONG TOGETHERWE JUST HAD HOT NASTY SEXO TOGETHER
>>72872227fresh picture. its definitely me lol.
>>72872257you have some dainty lil hands there, partner
>>72872359>you have some dainty lil hands there, partnerI know right! My hands are so small. They're very delicate and gentle (for the oppai which I daisuki)
>can't and I mean literally can NOT take a shit>weight keeps fluctuating back to 65kgAAAAA LET ME OUT OF THIS HELL!!!!!! I CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER PLATEAU OR STALL THIS CLOSE TO THE END REEEEEEEEE
>>72872472shouldve eaten carbs
>>72872359>daintythose are spindly you fat fucka thin mans fingers, understandably outside context for your lifestyle
>>72872510I'm 180 lbs, dainty boy, not one of the usual denizens of /fat/they look manicured too btw. I bet they're soft hands
>>72872481nah fuck that I'm still losing fat my weight isn't shiftingif I was eating carbs I wouldn't lose weight or fat at all
>>72872529enjoy never shitting
>>72872523Fuck you I dont manicure them lmao. They are soft though. Gotta keep the money makers safe and uninjured.
>>72872472drink more wateralso, I've been very regular since I started fibremaxxing (drinking a bunch of metamucil before dinner) it also helps fill you up so you eat less.
>>72872584I took some laxatives and bought some coffee. I am now shitting so hard it feels like my soul is leaving my body. the sweet release of finally shitting is a miracle
>>72872566are you a hand model for adolescent boys mittens
>>72872242I'm 6'2" and almost 100 lbs less than you and I sure as fuck wouldn't be 26 percent bodyfat at your weight. You must be fucking ripped
>>72873058Wait for real? I look fucking disgusting but I got some muscle underneath.
>>72872242jesus fuck, i'm 6"2 and according to my scan at 250 i'm 25 percent body fat. you must be fuckking huge
Unemployed fat fuck hereGot a job being a package bitch at UPS job starts in a week, gotta start waking up at 3:30 AM.I know the job is gonna be hard as a balls, should I try and cram some cardio or something like walking miles or planking to try and prep for work?
>>72864559there is no statisticaly sig number of people on fatty pills.Sales are down because prices are high af
>>72873322most cardio as a fat fuck is knee destroyingdo squats, pushups, situps, any weight lifting you can manage at home
>>72873364I'm like 6'2 260 i was almost never able to do a pull up even when i was 200
>>72873364>>72873322just walk?? You should always be doing cardio, no matter what. Walk fast, for at least an hour, every day. Premium cardio, aerobic activity, just what it should be.
>>72873371They said push-ups, not pull-ups. Also pull-ups just take some work put into them and you can do them fine, even at your BW. I weigh 240 rn and can do 10 with chin above bar. And my back is pretty fucking weak overall, just started working on it
Goal is to be under 100 kgs by 1st January 2024. Currently at 106 kgs. Current 233 lbs aiming to be 218 lbs.
This is the worst season to be cutting.Temperature is double digits below zero and the urge to eat is overwhelming.Gotta stay strong.
>>72873095I can't tell if I have body dysmorphia or not, but I don't think I'm like HUGE huge. Definitely very muscular lower body and core from being morbidly obese, larger shoulders for sure.
>>72873371I can do 5 pushups at 280
>>72873371>>72873662>do push-ups>I can't do pull-ups at 260 man>I can do push-ups at 280 dudewtf is going on in this conversation
>>72872472The not pooping thing is what derailed my progress too.
>>72873539Tropicalfags have it so easy with their year round cutting weather
>>72874162I can't understand how anyone stays fat in hot climates. You'd think the fat would just evaporate from any exertion and it would to be too hot to eat anything anyway.Also, simply existing with any amount of blubber would be hell in that heat; it's easier up here where for at least half of the year you don't feel like dying.
Today sucked. Still sick, sore throat, raining hard and windy. I could barely do half the weights I usually do.Fat old lady blocking the way and there's no way to pass because the store places to huge containers for chips/candy and then the young woman behind me forgot to place the divider so that delayed everything. "Mmyeah."
>>72874162Why do you think warm weather is 'cutting weather'?If anything you're better off losing weight in the winter. Zero carb diets cause you to burn +500kcal/day extra as heat. It's probably an adaptation to cold climates. Keeps you warm and makes you lean.
bros.. I broke and binged today, and it's only 4 weeks until christmas (goalpost) How fucked am I?
>>72870027>>if I don’t get enough dietary fat, will my body compensate by pulling it from my fat stores.No. That's because your body can turn carbohydrates into fat, but not the other way around, meaning that if you stop eating fats it will simply turn the carbohydrates you eat into fat, in fact, it will be pernicious since you would also lose essential fatty acids intake which the body actually needs to function(although it takes a long time to build up a deficiency).The only way to mobilize fats is first to have a calorie deficit and second to force the body into using them by not eating carbs. But the first counts far more, it's called energy storage tissue for a reason.And yes, the liver stores glycogen, but it depletes fast and can't single handedly sustain the whole body.
Almost 2 weeks ago. Will do a third progress pic in December. Weight lifting heavy 5-6 days a week (man at this point I just want to bulk and go harder into lifting after another 10-15lbs) Incline walking on 10 (started out just doing 7s but got better at it) 3.3 speed for at least half an hr every other day. 2-500 cal deficit. The numbers being something I need to become more consistent with.
>>72874865>>72874894Overall I seem to be successfully recomping?My question is, how much longer can I natty successfully continue to gain slight muscle while losing fat in a deficit?I'm thinking 8 more weeks before I just start eating in a slight surplus so all the weight lifting isn't as hard on my body and I can gain real muscle.I've seem to got good responding genetics to it, my quads and calves are naturally massive, broad shoulders, and my arms blew up while losing fat. Shitty as fuck chest genetics though.
I attempted my first 48 hour fast and it did not go well at all. I only managed to make it 45/48 hours, the nausea was too much for me to handle. The problem is that I only ate a sandwich the day prior to fasting. Going to recoup and try again in the future, definitely not something worth attempting when you're already on a strict diet. 81lbs left to go...
>mom says that studies say almost no one that has lost more than 25kg does not gain it back within the next 5 years>apparently this much weight loss fucks your metabolism so much that your maintenance calories are giga fucking low for years>hunger stays because the body desperatly wants to gain back the weight, even years laterIs that shit true? Sounds pretty bad. But apparently the best solution is to just not drop the physical activity ever. Apparently most people in those studies stop the cardio etc. once they reach goal-weight and then get massively fuckedNeed to try and find some studies about this shit
>>72874790What triggered you?
>>72875323Weight loss does affect metabolism, but that's because it requires less energy to sustain your body. Your mom is definitely right on people regaining weight after a diet, but saying "almost no one" is an overstatement, it's more like 50%. Remember, knowledge is power. People become complacent after losing weight and forget that the changes they make need to last a lifetime. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3901982/
>>72875448>but saying "almost no one" is an overstatement, it's more like 50%.nta but last I checked it was something like 98% over a long enough time period (talking 5+ years). curious where you got that number.
>>72875323Sort of true. See: >>72865936The metabolic suppression is caused by eating carbs on a deficit and exercising.>apparently the best solution is to just not drop the physical activity everNo that doesn't help. The body adapts for exercise, too.The way to fix the problem is quit carbs and eat ad lib (unlimited calorie).
>>72875448Amazingly wrong. How many clotshots did you get?
>>72875545>>72875557post body ketoschizo. from today.
>>72875563Stop eating soya you histrionic bitch.
>>72875515>Approximately 30%–35% of lost weight is regained one year following treatment and 50% of patients will return to their baseline weight by the fifth year out from weight lossYou can disagree with the studies methodology if you want, but these are its findings.
>>72875607It takes 7.5 years for 100% of everyone who does CICO to fail.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16391215/The regain weight phase begins 1-2 years after starting.
>>72875630Actually I guess it would be more reasonable to say they fail after 1-2 years because they aren't planning to regain weight.But after 7.5 years everyone is back at starting weight.
>>72875630>>72875635>The intervention included group and individual sessions to promote a decrease in fat intake and increases in vegetable, fruit, and grain consumption and did not include weight loss or caloric restriction goal>and did not include weight loss or caloric restriction goalThe study was about diet composition and if that contributes to weight loss you fucking retarded nigger. This has nothing to do with people dieting in terms of explicit weight loss to an end-goal and if they can maintain said weight. You need to kill yourself keto schizo. You've come to wrong conclusion on nearly every study you cite. If you're going to dedicate your life to something, try not to be wrong so fucking often.
>>72875716They were told to eat less and move more. They just weren't given specific targets.Why is it so upsetting for you to learn your government and the sugar industry lie about weight loss?
I can't for the life of me get rid of torso fat. I have pretty noticeable man boobs (which I've checked myself and don't believe is gyno but rather just fat) and also a pot belly. My arms are rather skinny and my legs are also disproportionately thinner than my torso. Shall I cut out all carbs and red meats?
>>72874494Because any diet I've ever done, fasting, keto, cico, or otherwise causes me to get cold which makes cutting in the summer ideal so I'm not freezing my ass off
>>72875729>cut out all carbsYes.>and red meatsNo.
>>72875607It's one study, but meta analysis looking at multiple RCTs show the numbers I quoted.>Substantial weight loss is possible across a range of treatment modalities, but long-term sustenance of lost weight is much more challenging, and weight regain is typical1–3. In a meta-analysis of 29 long-term weight loss studies, more than half of the lost weight was regained within two years, and by five years more than 80% of lost weight was regained (Figure 1)4. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5764193/ I guess it also depends on how you play with the words. I would qualify losing 25kg and then over 5 years regaining all but 3 kilos a fail, but 3 kilos is 3 kilos I guess.
>>72862882I can't believe it took them this long to make a medicine this effective at weight loss.,7 months in and so far i've lost 27kg without even trying.though i'm being a fucking retard for not taking the chance to incorporate good eating habits and just eating whatever the fuck i want but who cares i feel fucking amazing
>>72875753also I don't want this to come across as doomposting: most people fail at most things. that doesn't mean you have to. don't be like most people, you can be successful.
>>72875763Don't worry buddy it's not doomposting to tell people their strategy leads to failure.Anyone who wants to succeed can do keto. Very high rate of success long term. Eliminates all hunger. No unnecessary effort (i.e. measuring and tracking food).But the best thing about keto is it boosts metabolism +500kcal/day while CICO suppresses metabolism by up to -800kcal/day. People on keto can eat way more food both by volume and by calorie measurement.
>>72875792I thought calories were a hoax made up by the jews. Pick a fucking lane already. You flip flop so much it makes me dizzy.
>>72875830Calorie is a measurement. The belief that calorie estimates tell you anything relevant about food is a hoax.
>>72875875Eat unlimited amounts of fat and protein until you're satiated.
>>72875846>>72869732>calories are a hoax.>>72870235>calories are a sugar industry hoax.>>72871189>people regain weight because they believe the calorie hoax.Oh ok, so you just suck at clear and concisely communicating your ideas. Got it.
>>72875892My posts are perfectly coherent. You're a dogmatic shill so they upset you. Obviously you understood just fine which is why you're so upset.
>>72875729>moobs and pot bellyYou're fat. >spaghetti armsAnd grossly undermuscled.Put the fork down and lift hard.
>>72875925>dogmaticThat's rich coming from the one motherfucker on /fat/ who constantly spams that only his way works and nothing else. Almost no one else here, including me, has ever said keto can't work. We just say that its not the only thing that can work.Also, post current body with timestamp fatty.
>tfw 5'4>tfw 300lbI'm a god damn walking grotesque meatball that's also a pussy, bros. Do I take ozempic till I lose enough weight to build confidence; then head to the gym? Do I just starve myself? That should be easy with vidya. I just don't know
>>72875925>The average adult uses up 2300 to 3200 calories a dayStopped reading right there, if that had any grain of truth I would have been done with this a long time ago
>>72875994You should see what works for you but jumping directly to drugs before even trying without them is short sighted.
>>72862882already on it, and I got it for free thanks to my country's healthcareI have no urge to eat or drink like I used to, and I lost 5 kg in about a monthnot a whole lot, but it's been steady and I have not bounced back
>>72875754Huh I've lost the same in the same time zone without ozempic
>>72875994Step 1: Stop eating carbs.There's no step two. That alone is sufficient to cure obesity.
>>72876009It's a shill. You can tell because they called a pharma drug 'medicine'.Seems like someone got paid to shill here. There's been a bunch of posts like that over the last month or so.
>>72876012>CarbsSo what would that be? Rice and bread, yeh? I'm also a retard.
>>72875753>>72875763I don't consider it doomposting at all. I actually did a bit more research and the stats are a bit more grim.For BMI >=30 and <40 there is a 1 in 210 chance for that person to return to a normal body weight. To lose even 5% of their total body weight, only 1 in 12 of these men succeed. For BMI >=40 and <44.9 the chances are 1 in 1290 to return to a normal body weight.While the section of the study I quoted was correct, it didn't accurately reflect the reality that most of them returned to overweight/obese status. Anyways, thanks. I had difficulty looking for a study that tracked participants who had previously had an Obese BMI who successfully achieved a Healthy BMI, and what what % or how long they were able to maintain that for.
>>72875323Fuck the studies. Autists miss out because theyre always thinking and analyzing. Barrel through to the top and keep fighting!
>>72876012Wait a keto diet seems ez af. I don't even like bread or rice that much.
>>72875323>a good deal of people who lose a fuck ton of weight regain it within X yearsYes. Just like most ex-winos go back to the bottle. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to fix your shit. And even then, very few rebounders go back to their original weight. They might get fat but never as fat.>and it's because muh metabolic damageNo. They slip up, revert to bad habits, life gets in the way, etc. etc. It's a slow insidious process. At the end of the day your BMR means jack shit. Start eating like a fat fuck and it's a matter of time until you get fat again.t. lost 100 lbs twice
I've lost 50kg the first time, ended up gaining it all back and am now losing it again, and I fully expect to regain it again. I honestly think that if you've been obese since childhood/teens it's something that will haunt you until you die
>>72876022No sugar, flour, fruit, starchy vegetables, or grains. I think that covers it. Flour and sugar include anything made with those ingredients so no bread or grain-based pasta.I know of at least one recipe that is a pasta recipe (lasagna) which uses egg noodles. I am pretty sure that counts as real pasta but it's not wheat-based pasta like you buy at the store. Tastes exactly like normal lasagna to me.>>72876082Yeah it's easy and delicious. That's why it works for so many people long term. Worked for me. Pic related is a keto burger.
>>72876144I was obese from childhood. Always regained weight until I stopped doing CICO. The trick was to stop eating carbs. I don't have to count or restrict. I am never hungry. I just don't eat carbs.
>>72876154I'm not really hungry either. It's just life is shit and I'm lonely so I get frustrated/angry all the time and get this insane compulsion to just binge. Start doing this a few times a month and the kgs slowly start piling up and five years later you've gained all the weight back
I also regained all my weight, but the second time some of it was muscle. And if after losing it again I'll regain it a third time, it'll probably be even more muscle. So it isn't all bad.>>72876108>Start eating like a fat fuck and it's a matter of time until you get fat again.100% this.
>>72876146Man, that sounds really doable. Do you have any sites/youtube recommendations for keto meal recipe's? it'd be nice to see how they portion it too. Also sorry if it's a real dumb question: but is diet soda allowed? My friend game me a shit ton and it'd be a waste, for it to go to waste
>>72876166Yeah dude it's the carbs. You have all the info you need to reach your goals now.>life is shit and I'm lonely so I get frustrated/angry all the timeThis is also caused by the carbs. Ketogenic diets are great for mental health.
>>72875323>>72876108And here's my personal experience:>apparently this much weight loss fucks your metabolism so much that your maintenance calories are giga fucking low for years>hunger stays because the body desperatly wants to gain back the weight, even years laterYour hunger adapts to your body composition. After hitting skellymode I had the appetite of a skelly. Kept my diet fairly clean and I didn't gain any weight for 3 years. Then I got tired of being a weak little shit and started hitting the gym. I was your typical hardgainer and had to make a conscious effort to bulk up (gained a whooping 4.5 lbs. in a year and a half lel).
>>72876196I have never actually used any meal plan so I don't know where to find one. Dr Eric Westman is extremely reasonable and is the world's top obesity specialist so his advice is extremely good. He might have one publicly available.More extreme diets like beef only also work but may be harder to stick to so there's no need to get into such a strict diet unless you really want to.My personal diet is:>breakfast foods: bacon, eggs (cooked a variety of ways), sausage, cheese>dinner foods: beef (steak, burger patties), salmon mixed with creme fraiche, sauerkraut, fermented dill pickles>snacks: salami>but is diet soda allowed? Dr Eric Westman emphatically says yes. I didn't drink any diet soda when I was losing weight but I trust his judgement. The one major factor influencing weight loss is avoiding carbs. That means artificial sweetener is fine, seed oils are fine, non-organic food is fine. Buy whatever food is affordable and you enjoy as long as it doesn't have carbs.Long term you might eventually choose to go cleaner keto but for weight loss it doesn't matter.
>>72876291Thanks a lot for all the spoonfeeding man. I'm def gonna try this for at least a month to see how it is. really, thanks
>>72875933I do go to the gym. I have pretty decent arms but the lower half below the elbow is just thin and I have small hands despite being 6'0.
>>72868144nigga just stop eating. Youre basically medicating yourself into fasting with that shit because youre too much of a loser to do it on your own.
>>72876291>Woman's Worldthat explains