>>71074788
FAKE FUCK GENERAL

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>>71074788
Sup lads
Currently 3 weeks into a cut out of 4 on 12.5mg on Ostarine and it's going great, but I plan to do some Rad 140 in 5 weeks or so for another 4-8 weeks assuming my bloods are good.
Outside of the obvious (have a PCT on hand, ect), is there any red flags or things I should look for for what I'm doing?
Thanks anons

I don't know why the jannies let you guys post these heinous threads. They have nothing whatsoever to do with fitness.

>>71074788
can you guys stop posting this nasty bitch she's horrible. l

>>71074903
I would love to submit her... With my penis.

>>71074936
yeah that's great fuck off

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>>71074977
No u

>>71074977
Seems like it's the people that react like this who are secretly gay. Why does it make you angry that this woman is jacked anon? Does it make you feel small?

>>71074853
idk it's just sarms I wouldn't really worry too much lol

>>71074853
I crashed my test on a tiny SARM cycle years ago. The PCT made me feel crazy so I stopped early and it took forever to come back.
Just get on real gear, it's much less random

>>71075553
which sarm did u take

>>71075621
Ran first Ostarine, seemingly fine, then LGD twice and the second time got me. Also didn't really get any worthwhile gains.

>>71075119
Not him but as someone who has gone from otter mode to clear frauder over the last few years, maybe? I was never attracted to Amazons before much less roided out women but now all but the most roided out women are still smaller than me so it doesn’t bother me

>>71074853
>>71075553
Crashed my test on sarms too. I actually DID have a good first cycle. But my test was crashed so even though I was literally the best looking I’ve ever been in my entire life and staying in a $1000 a night hotel with my girlfriend I didn’t fuck her once. Pretty insane looking back. The only good thing about sarms is they led me to using actual gear. If you are legitimately doing sarms then pct and no test you’re a fucking retard. There’s no way to sugarcoat it. Coming from someone who’s been there

>>71075647
Damn interesting. I'm only running 12.5mg of Ostarine and have for sure seen good gains while cutting hard. I got my bloods prior and my test was decent at 625 total and 91 free so I guess I'll see if it crashes me in a couple weeks.
I'm still a bit skinny tho so I feel like Rad 140 would be nice for a bulk to fill out more. I feel like I see a lot of people say it never crashed them and they didn't even need a PCT so I guess time will tell after I'm done with Ostarine

>>71075720
Oh my god you god damned retard. How can you be on fraud of all places and still fucking stupid enough to run a sarms only cycle? Fucking unreal

>>71075813
Because I'm really just trying to cut, it's a super small dose of the most mild sarm, I'm not trying to fucking blast test and anavar

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>>71074788
I'm in a bit of a bad position. Been running 150mg test prop E2D and Tren Ace 50mg ED. After 4x weeks my wife went out of town and I called her sister to help manage our son whilst she's away. When her sister came over I got a primal urge I've never felt before. I wanted to dominate her and have her sniff my wife's panties while I fucked her. I've never been intersted in her but this night was different.

After she arrived I proceeded to pour us both a glass of red wine. This led to 3 glasses each and eventually, after a sexually charged conversation about her ex husband, she kissed me. I railed the absolute shit out of her on my dinning room table and she stayed over for the evening.

The issue I have now is that I didn't wear a rubber (probably alright on week 4 of my cycle) but I busted inside her a couple times. She's also really upset that she did this to her sister and I suspect she's going to tell her what's happened.

I'm thinking about inviting her over tonight to talk about her feelings. When she gets here I'm going to openly threaten her with violence once my son has been put to bed. Honestly didn't think I'd end up in this situation.

>>71075881
Wtf. I thought getting head from my executive assistant was bad

>>71075881
>cheats on wife
>with her sister
>When she gets here I'm going to openly threaten her with violence once my son has been put to bed

This is why I will never touch a 19NOR. Brain is all sorts of fucked.

>>71075881
Threaten her with violence? Are you a fucking retard? I doubt she wants to tell her sister either. She probably wants to get fucked again in all honesty. Doubt anything will match the rush of getting fucked by her sisters husband. She’s not going to get pregnant when you’re on tren. I can say unequivocally don’t let the tren paranoia get the better of you I doubt she wants trouble any more than you do you can both just pretend like nothing happened

>>71075940

People like this are that way before the 19Nors.

>>71075856
I still want to wring your neck

>>71075856
Yeah you’re retarded bro. Tried to take the easy way out and got fucked. Hope you learned a lesson or whatever
>>71075881
Lmao I fucking love tren stories because deep down I can never tell if it’s real or not because tren fucks you up. Bro don’t threaten here, you’re on a tren high, be a chad, be funny and just say it’ll be best if she never found out. Maybe even try to gas light her like it never happened

>>71075881
She can't tell your wife about it if she's dead. Know what I mean.

>>71075940
>>71075957
This guy is extreme but tren definitely fucked with my head. I controlled it but it was a nightmare. Larry wheels said tren is worse than crack, meth, etc. and I believe him. On recreational drugs you know your thinking is altered so it doesn’t really get to you, at least for me. But on tren you’re absolutely convinced that the insane stuff you’re thinking is true

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>>71075945
She's going to tell my wife 100% if I don't say something to her. I couldn't sleep most of this morning and the sweats and paranoia are getting worse. I'm even thinking maybe she's left a phone in the house to keep an eye on me and try to tape some evidence to show my wife. She's been known for filming her ex husband when they broke up, took him to court and showed how abusive he was. If I don't do something I'm going to lose everything. I won't hurt her but I need to make her think twice before telling my wife. Thinking I just sit her down and be cold with her.

>>71075981
I wish I was kidding. I've never touched this compound before this cycle and I can't believe the thoughts I was having leading up to it. I can't stomach what's happened.

>>71076021
I take Tren and function like a normal person. Am I an outlier?

>>71076035
I'm on a high dose right now and function normal as well, just a little bit more horny.

>>71076021
Oh you’re on it nigger lmao haha yo that paranoia. Man I’m telling you from experience dealing with bitches is you can’t make them worry or spoke them they always look out for themselves so you have to make it seem like it’s in the best interest for them. Just be chill, laugh about it, and say there’s no reason to say anything

>>71076035
Dose dependant. 50mg of Tren Ace isn't exactly low. He's probably using UGL gear too which might be overdosed. Anything about 200mg a week fucked with me hard.

No longer a /FRAUD/ thread. Now the /TRENHELPLINE/ thread. Love me some tren stories though.

>finished first cycle of 500mg test 20 weeks
>dont want to stop but also dont want a heart attack when im 35
What do...

>>71076089

Cruise for a month then hop back on?

>>71076089
Cruise on 125mg for 12 weeks off. No orals/add ons, then continue into another cycle.

If you want to run again there's literally no point going through a PCT only to jump back on months later. Blast/cruise/blast/cruise is the way anon.

>>71076107
this is the way

>>71076107
This. Except I would bring it down to 100mg and get some blood work done. If your liver and kidney values look good you could jump back on in 10 weeks

>>71076021
Well don’t know the details but I DO know threatening violence won’t help. Not sure about the rest. Sounding like tren paranoia to me from someone who’s been through it multiple times. I guess I don’t know for sure but does a woman really want to tell her sister ‘hey I fucked your husband while you were gone’. I think the best course is just to say it was a mistake and you both know it’ll never happen again and pretend it never did

>>71076035
I ‘function’ like a normal person on tren but what’s going on in my head definitely isn’t normal >>71074788
DONT do tren e anons. The sides last way too fucking long post cycle

>>71075981
Most don't have any sides on this dose lol I'll be fine, thanks for the vague bullshit elitest blast-bro advice tho

>>71076021
Just to reiterate I had paranoia hardcore last tren cycle and you actually have a reason to be paranoid. I doubt she wants trouble any more than you do. Just do some sob story shit we were both drunk it’ll never happen again I love my wife blah blah blah. Seriously would not be surprised if it leads to more sex though, women are fucked up like that.

I ran an Anavar only cycle and had no negative sides, only gains. Why does everyone shot on this so much?

>>71075881
You're going to hell.

>>71076214
Lmao just clowning you brother. It’s going to sound like a commercial but that’s why I tell every newby on here to just suck it up and pin. Save your time and money if you want some soft shit just sun your balls. But you got it. Cruising on test is the best cutting method

>>71076225
I hate to be that guy but post physique and let us decide. Regardless, speaking as someone who’s been there and then used actual gear it’s because it’s a fucking joke. Does it beat natty, at least first cycle? Sure. Are you going to crash your test and get 1/10 of the gains you’d get on even 200 test? Even more sure.

>>71076253
You know, I actually appreciate you putting it that way for me. I probably will eventually suck it up and just pin test at some point, but I'm 28 so trying to avoid fucking things up too early.

>>71076302
28 is actually a good time to do it. A little earlier would have been best. I think 25 when otter mode is starting to lose its allure and youll be able to hit a great physique at 28. Wish I would have done it like that. Literally the only downside of doing it at 28 as far as being too early goes would be losing your hair if you’re so predisposed.

Why is it so hard to eat clean on tren? I have no problem eating bland healthy food on other compounds but on tren I want to eat shit like macaroni and cheese and drink soda

>>71076584
Dude it's impossible. Can't stop eating carbs.

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3nd cycle
thoughts and prayers?

Masteron yay or nay?

>>71074788
How long does it take tren e to kick in?

>>71075957
Tren does fuck you up even if you're normal. I cheated on my wife with a fat chick 18 years older than her, full on terminator dgaf mode. Wondered wtf I was thinking once I came off the tren.

She forgave me instantly though just because I told her. Chicks are retarded dude, she blamed herself and basically just gave me permission to rail anyone I want.

>>71078077
this is ur wife
fuk u
we r geting a divorc

Can metformin aid in weightloss and does it really impact muscles (if you not work out)?
Not on roids btw.

>>71079234
Why not just do roids?

>>71079325
steroids don't burn fat, metformin doesn't either

>>71079378
Steroids accelerate and enhance your fitness goals, if you're training and eating properly.
If you want
>help
To lose weight, just pin. It's going to work better than anything else in the world except self-discipline.

>>71079398
I'm not interested in becoming a man though...

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>>71079398
you absolute fucking retard

>>71079413
Anavar won't turn you into a man.

>>71079423
I guess you recognise them so easily by seeing one in the mirror every morning.

I want to try EQ so I’m not gonna go crazy and just do 300mg (with a 2 week 600mg front load)
How much test should I run with this? 500mg test (solo with hCG) caused my BP to go up due to having semi-high E2

>>71076178
>I think the best course is just to say it was a mistake and you both know it’ll never happen again and pretend it never did
And then he'll fuck her again, even harder, doing more degenerate shit to her in the kitchen while his son's asleep
He's on Tren, he'll be saying the part of never happening again while her tongues deep in his asshole

oh shit oh fuck I've been on roids for 9 years now, done every stack under the sun without shedding but I'm shedding on test/tren now (have done that 4 times before without any issues) and I'm shedding fast, mostly limited to my temples

send help, I've always ignored people's issues and solutions for hair loss because I've never had the problem. what the fuck do I use? I literally don't even want to inject anymore

>>71080026
I'd drop the Tren, lower test to cruise dose and scale back training
Has happened a few times and seems to happen when everything's overstressed

>>71080026
1) Be less vain nigger
2) There are topical solutions like RU58841 and nizoral that are topical anti-androgens
3) Your hair loss is most likely inflammation/stress, make sure to take your vitamins, make sure your digestion is top notch, lower your stress, eat more protein and sleep well.

You most likely have shedding because of the tren, because even though masteron and testosterone and other compounds are very harsh, tren is something else and has mechanisms to cause hair loss outside of androgenicity.

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Any suggestions for leaning out within around 3 weeks. I want to get some beach time in around July. I'm going to lower carbs and do a small water cut but looking to enhance that.

>>71080938
Walk about 7 miles every day. It will burn about 2 pounds of fat every week.

>>71081007
can I take them orally or is it better to pin?

When you do an IM the injection doesn't need a bandage right. Just a alcohol pad on the spot for a minute

>>71081431
yes

>>71080938
Nice boutinela bitch, ig?

>>71081431
Just swab it with an alcohol pad beforehand and that’s it you retard

>>71081431
It requires stitches

>>71074788
This cut stopped being trendy 10 years ago

Does anyone else aromatize like crazy while on tren? I'm on the same cruise dose of test as before adding in the tren, but I've been needing 5mg asin daily to keep my e2 sides at bay. Before adding the tren I didn't need any AI at this test dose.

>inject blast doses shallow im
>no side effects at all
>inject trt doses subq
>tons of high estrogen sides
explain

>>71082389
What do you mean by "aromatize"? Don't tell me you got your e2 checked while being on tren.

>>71076302
Bro it’s going to be hard to explain but you really can’t fuck your self up on a cruise dose of test. The sides are highly memed here and are almost nonexistent on that level of test.
>>71079413
Var is the only safe hoe cycle. Just make sure you keep it at 10mg daily

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>roids just got here
>5’11, 170lbs 34 years old
See you in 20 weeks bros

>>71082836
>See you
you won't come back like every single one before you

>>71082389
I've posted about this before but just get called a bunch of names by the retards here.
There seems to be a small number of people who experience extreme estrogen-like sides from tren.
In my case I ballooned up with like 30lbs of water retention on 300 test/300 tren/300 mast.
AI, caber and diuretics havent made a dent in it.
Almost 3 weeks after stopping tren it still hasnt gone away.

>>71082525
No like high estrogen sides. Mostly extreme bloat / water retention. This has happened to me every time I run tren.

>>71083092
Yeah man I seem to react much like you then. Gained 6lbs in the first week of adding tren in.

>>71083092
You blow out your thyroid?

>>71082836
what's your cycle going to be?

>>71083160
This is a good point. After my first tren cycle I had to start taking desiccated thyroid because my thyroid function got fucked. I am >>71082389 and currently still getting a lot of that bloat even with 4 grains of desiccated thyroid a day.

>>71083160
I doubt it. I have no other symptoms.

Anyone have any estimate how long it takes for thyroid to return to baseline after coming off meds. For context, wasn’t really pushing thyroid for fat loss, actually prescribed because of blood work/symptoms. The past few years I have tried every type/combo of T3/T4 meds with no success in symptom relief or major shift in lab work. Currently been on 130 mcg T4 and 25 mcg T3 for a few months, zero symptom relief even with high dosage. Just tired of the fluctuations and want to see what I feel like at my body’s natural levels.

>>71083125
>>71083092
Same shit happened to me on exact same doses. I was gaining over 2lbs per day for 4 weeks straight

>>71083143
Gaining weight at the very beginning of the blast is normal with any compound but gaining weight every single day is not good.

>>71083160
What do you mean by that and how one could check this?

>>71083531
>What do you mean by that and how one could check this?
Check your waking body temp and your body temp in the middle of the day. Should be 98.0 at waking and 98.6 mid day if your thyroid is good.

>>71083630
I ment something that actually check your thyroid like bloodwork but what things one should check? T3, T4, TSH seems obvious but anything else that could indicate thyroid problems? I had bloodwork done recently for a different reason and i'm wondering if there's anything i could check.

>>71083705
The temperature check is kinda a way to see if you should get a thyroid test if you get what I mean. If your temp is abnormal then I would get t3, t4, and tsh checked. There are other thyroid tests but I wouldn't shell out the cash for them unless the standard test is abnormal.

>>71078115
kek I'm so sorry lol I'll never do it again lmao

>>71083732
I've looked up symptoms and almost everything checks out from both hyopo and hyperthyroidism. I guess i need to check that shit. Bloodwork isn't that expensive over here but i might go to GP on monday and ask to get this shit covered by insurance.

How much test do you guys like to run with tren? I’ve used 700/150 to look lean and not bloat from test being too high. This time I’m running 700/300 and I like it better, I’m not bloating enough to notice and my muscles are more full than last time. I might try 700/500 just to see how that makes me look

>>71082929
That means we succeed in filling that void of uncertainty in ourselves and become a confident well adjusted normie with healthy loving relationships?
Sweet! Just bought more.

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>>71083962
>That means we succeed in filling that void of uncertainty in ourselves and become a confident well adjusted normie with healthy loving relationships?
The opposite of this. Countless people claimed to come back and report the results but literally none of them came back.

PS. RIP godzilla sarm stack faggot

>>71083863
I run it 1:1; 500test :500 tren.
Shit's cash.

>>71083705
>T3, T4, TSH
Those are where to start. There can apparently be a weird condition where your t3 and t4 aren't similar on the scale where say your T4 is in the middle but your t3 is super low, it will say it's OK and it's not but that's pretty rare but point is those are the things to check first.
>>71083361
What are your levels? What's your TSH?

>>71084007
So are SARMs liver toxic or what’s the actual catch (outside of testosterone suppression). People always seethe at the mere idea of combining test and SARMs

>>71084076
Each SARM is different so some are dogshit and some are decent. Combined with test they're not horrible, it's really just what you said about test suppression when teenagers take them solo.

>>71082929
I’ve been posting in/lurking these threads off and on for almost ten years newfag
>>71083166
>tbol/test/deca/a little EQ for AI properties as an experiment
Mainly got back on so I am interested in sex again as the SNRI I am taking absolutely wrecked my sex drive. Gf was accusing me of cheating and shit kek I was just asexual in the most literal sense of the word.
>250 test/300 deca/150 eq for 20 weeks
>40-60mg tbol first 6 weeks
>cruise at 125 indefinitely after blast
I’m looking to put on 12-15lbs and lean out a little. I can run 250 test without estrogen sides and didn’t want to run another androgenic compound that aromatizes or a DHT derivative for hair reasons

>>71084165
No wonder 150eq guy is a chubby dyel

>>71084165
Very interesting cycle. Keep us updated I'd like to see how that goes.

>>71083361
I haven't messed around with thyroid meds so take what I say with that in mind
>how long it takes for thyroid to return to baseline after coming off meds
I've seen it said around two weeks, the thyroid bounces back well
>zero symptom relief even with high dosage
25mcg T3 is replacement level dosage. If it was me and I was looking after my own shit I'd bump it up to 50
>>71083811
>might go to GP on monday and ask to get this shit covered by insurance
If you do, make sure he gets them all checked (TSH, T4, T3). Doctors here just check TSH and then the others if there's a problem with TSH. It's shit
>>71084035
Good post

>>71076197

I only have experience with Tren-E and I've learned how to use it properly for my body. Start low and ramp up slowly. That really helped mitigate the side effects for me. Jumping right in with 250mg or 500mg per week had negative consequences for me.

>>71084224
How long did it take to kick in? I'm on week 1 of tren e, and unlike tren a I don't feel like it's kicked in yet.

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Herniated a disc and went 2 months without working out between Dexas. Also, got fat during Thanksgiving & Xmas so glad I could at least get back to where I was with a little improvement.

>>71084188
I was 146lbs at the end of last November. If you weren’t a complete newfag you’d know to never take anybodys advice on here; nobody would ever get anywhere listening to anon.
>>71084192
I’ll post a four week update, tbol should be visibly working by then. Probably won’t really notice the oils for another 2-4 weeks

>>71084236

I've found that starting out for at least 2 weeks @ 125mg/wk before moving up to 250mg a week for a month then moving up to 500mg per week helped me mitigate most sides I got from just going H.A.M. from the start.

>>71084035
Levels are hard to pinpoint exactly bc my medication doses have varied so much but typically slightly high TSH, slightly low T4 and quite low T3

>>71084210
I tried bumping all the way to 50 mcg T3 with 120 mcg T4 but only for a few weeks. Was getting worried dosage was too high and still didn’t see any symptom relief. Still EXTREMELY cold all day, low heart rate, dry skin, etc. just don’t know what to even try anymore:/

>>71084304
Thanks anon, buy I meant more when you felt it had started to really get going.
I've ran tren before, but it was tren a. I love tren, and I only really got the insomnia side effect and that was a month and a half in.
I'm trying to get an idea of when to stuff my cupboards full of sugar and carbs for when it kicks in proper and I meed to snack every few hours to avoid hypoglycemia.

>>71084318
I think you need a more comprehensive thyroid panel brother. There are other things to consider like reverse t3, thyroid binding globulin etc. that will probably need to be considered.

>>71084318
Have you tried desiccated thyroid? I use 4 grains a day of desiccated beef thyroid from forefront health and it works well for me. I have heard some people get better results from desiccated thyroid vs t4/t3 therapy because desiccated contains the full spectrum of thyroid hormones.

>>71084318
>I tried bumping all the way to 50 mcg T3
Good, like I said it's what I would have done. Unfortunate it didn't work but on to the next thing
>just don’t know what to even try anymore:/
I hear you brother. As someone with extreme energy problems and going through doctors for years with very little help. Definitely not perfect but in a lot better place and never going back
Keep fucking going
>>71084338
Again, good post

>>71074903
Unironically came in and thought that was a tranny but now I'm even more confused

did skrillex get swole y/n

Why the fuck do I put up with this bullshit relationship? This tren is going to make me snap and fuck my neighbor slut girl.

>>71084318
only skimmed the rest of your posts for context but I've got hashimotos (immune system attacks my thyroid, basically) and it didn't show up on the average tests forever, because they need to test your immune system response or some shit (that and even though I was at the lower end of the range that's only acceptable for the fucking elderly and deathly ill, doctors here are dumb as a sack of rocks and consider that still acceptable). so might be worth looking into that for you

can tell you right now though that if you aren't suffering from extreme fatigue to the point you're borderline narcoleptic it's probably not hypothyroid (or if it is, not gotten bad enough yet lol)

lots of things can mimic similar symptoms though, even just hormones being out of whack in general. not sure why people are suspecting it's your thyroid if this all started over you aromatizing more on tren, some people will definitely aromatize on certain compounds more than others - we aren't all made equal

desu if you've been abusing thyroid medication (t3/t4) it can also temporarily fuck with your thyroid, fuck with your water weight retention, fuck with your hormones, etc. your thyroid and hormone regulation are closely intertwined

if you're taking hgh, have too much or not enough salt intake, take creatine, eat certain diet, all this other shit will also all make you retain water... and retaining more water will also make you aromatize more in a never ending cycle

I feel like average poster here forgets we're fucking with our endocrinological systems on a whim and there's a thousand different possibilities varying from individual to individual and compound to compound

>>71084606
go off the tren for a bit before cementing anything. everyone ruins their relationships on tren kek

or they go full homo and fuck trannys idk wtf is with that, curse of tren

>>71076066
actually this explains the op picture perfectly nvm


holy jesus christ why are these captchas such aids

>>71084624
>not sure why people are suspecting it's your thyroid
There's like 3 anons asking about thyroid. The one you responded to >>71083361
>actually prescribed because of blood work/symptoms
The others because Tren is believed to mess with thyroid
Also the post was good and
>doctors here are dumb as a sack of rocks
No shit

500 test (and hCG) didn’t have me aromatize bad, I went the first half without any AI, but I found that 0.5mg of arimidex per week (0.25mg M/Th) made me feel better and lowered my blood pressure
1. From this vague statement, how bad of an aromatizer would you guys say I am?
2. If I were to do an EQ cycle, what ratio should I do for the test:EQ to keep my E2 in range and not crashed?

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sup bros, I'm only 21 so I don't want to pin because I'm young and stupid, I'm not mature enough to deal with that shit, but I have low testosterone from a medicine I used to take. can't grow a beard, barely any body hair, no morning wood, etc. Would something like androsterone + DHEA help get my natural production up to what it's supposed to be? I feel like I was supposed to be pretty masculine cuz I have a big frame and stuff my testosterone just got stunted when I was 18
>inb4 fuck off zoomer
Understandable

>>71085083
I never did learn how to read, anon, spare me, you're expecting a lot out of a sub 90 IQ thot

>>71085223
Clomid therapy is probably what you're looking for
When that and everything else fails to do fuck all, blast 500mg test a week for 16-20 weeks
After that cruise on 250mg a week and blast again with whatever compounds you want, whenever you want
Nail down your diet and lifting and you'll be good to go, a sick motherfucker
>I don't want to pin because I'm young and stupid
Biggest regret is always
>didn't start sooner

>>71085333
Checked and kek, you're good naughty girl
>>71084633
Checked and you ever fuck any trannies while on Tren?

Not sure if I got exit scammed or if my source got arrested

>>71085178
No one ever replies to my posts, they just want to whine about pip, groom people to take tren, or blog about their lives :(

>>71085606
Stop crying. I run 1/1 test to EQ and it keeps me low normal for E2. Try it out and get tested to see your levels.

>>71085483
I hate trannies mang
also never used tren
>>71085606
tbf senpai you're asking how long a piece of string is on a dead general

>>71085501
hmu if you're in the us I'll send you some great cooking sauces for keto recipes in minecraft to ease your woes
estp@protonmail.com

Is recomping on T a waste? I started a cycle 2 months ago but I also got seriously ill which doesn't allow me to eat as much as I'd like to, but I still try to get at least maintenance calories in and work out, and I noticed that I keep getting leaner while my bodyweight stays the same, should I just drop down to cruise dose until (if) I can get my health situation fixed or is it fine and I can just keep recomping and later get on a surplus?

>>71084633
I was already trenny fucking before my gf. Because of tren of course.

>>71085743
ESTP what gym do you workout at? Tell me so I can come over and accidentally bash your head in with a 45 (IRL, not in minecraft).

How androgenic is masteron? Has anyone tried stanolone/pure DHT? I could make a suspension from the raws.

t. just started TRT and want to see if I can experience a second puberty by blasting highly androgenic sterons

>>71085832
of course, of course. you're a man of culture after all
>>71085849
home gym, but please come anyway that sounds kinky
unless you're a tranny then stay here the trenizens need you

How would mk667 + RAD140 compare to babby's first test cycle gains-wise? I've been reading about those two and I must say the convenience of it is really appealing.

>>71080769
>tren is something else and has mechanisms to cause hair loss outside of androgenicity.
Its almost like it's poison for your body or something. Crazy how that could cause poor health and shedding.

>>71085915
you mean
>shredding
amirite
ha
hahaha
hahahahahah
thanks anons I'll be here all night, no need for a standing ovation

>>71085929
Yeah I'm definitely bashing you with a 45 now. Post address.

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I miss coomer /fraud/ from a couple years ago
Had the absolutely best fat tittied thicc thots interspersed with semi retarded roiding r9k posting
The good old days have come and went
Fucking hell

>>71085946
I've definitely posted enough identifying information over the course of /fraud/'s history you should be able to come pretty close
>>71085961
everything is better with nostalgia vision, anon
though the internet in general has definitely lowered in quality over the past 5 years and 4chan especially. all the roid-adjacent communities seem like shadows of their former selves these days tbqh

>>71085961
2014 was the golden era of fraud. You missed it; sorry buddy. I hope fatlifts is dead

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>>71085859
>want to see if I can experience a second puberty
Your penis ain't gonna grow bro, all that's gonna happen is losing your hair and growing more body hair

>>71085988
You definitely live in the alphabets, don't you.

>>71085820
Just run 500mg forever, who cares

>>71086021
ooo look at you trying to coax some more info out of me, you clever little thing
you 'ought to watch yourself, tricking me counts as abuse of the elderly

>>71085223
Just pin bro stop fucking around with nonsense lmao or just be a little bitch during your college years. Your choice
>>71084624
Good post. It could be a million fucking reasons and some random ass random from 4china will not be able to vaguely diagnose you since you didn’t post or haven’t done labs.

>>71086114
Don't worry. I promise I won't actually violate, murder, then violate you in that order when I inevitably find your address.

>>71086012
keeek who was that guy who kept trying to grow his dick by putting test cream and such on it... wouldn't be shocked if multiple people fit that criteria
>>71086177
anon don't make me swoon, if you sext with me any harder on a blueboard we might both catch a ban..
kek are you the same anon who always claims to live in my city

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new to roids. was Arnold 'wet' or 'dry'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjpBs2BfNbw

looking at all his older videos, he looks the same in shots that don't have him oiled up. I think it's aesthetic as fuck. no homo.

what roids should I stick to to look like this?
>inb4 genetics

>>71086288
>was Arnold 'wet
wet, he was a dbol boy, started taking dbol at age 16 and is on the record for saying that he did dbol and primo
>>71086288
>what roids should I stick to to look like this?
test/dbol/primo for years and multiple cycles

>>71086288
You will *never* look anything like that

>>71086142
>Just pin bro stop fucking around with nonsense lmao or just be a little bitch during your college years. Your choice
I don't want erectile dysfunction

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>>71086282
hi estp, welcome back
i love you

anyone buy online in the states?

>>71086282
I don't live in stoon, but I go there for school. What are you, like 30 something? That'll do I guess. Always wanted to fuck a milf with the voice of a 13 year old boy a roid clit.

gonna cut on my first cycle at 20

will end up 195 pounds at 10% bodyfat if I gain 10 pounds and lose 15

How realistic, and am I retarded?

>>71086288
arnie allegedly used wet compounds including eating dbol like candy

though even based off that picture I wouldn't think he was using dry compounds. goddamn that vein is gnarly

probably try deca, adrol, add in some primo, var or eq.. though if you're new like never used before, start with just a basic test cycle to get your footing lmao

if you have no idea what you're doing there's a good chance you'll just become a gyno ridden water balloon stacking a bunch of compounds (especially wet)

>>71086325
lmao saw the thumbnail and thought this was some weird ass old photo of me I didn't remember for a hot second
love you too bb
>>71086361
i ain't like 'em younger than me, sorry boo
maybe in another life
>>71086358
see
>>71085743

>>71086453
At what point did I indicate in any of my posts that you have a choice.

>>71086386
>am I retarded
probably, you're here
that said, cutting is better done off-cycle or cruising imho. and the results will entirely be up to a thousand different factors so it's anyone's guess
is it possible though? yes

what is your first cycle composed of ?
imo focus gains, lose some fat in the process then cal def/reign in your diet during pct - gain back any perceived losses on next cycle

carb cycling gonna give you the most prominent results visually if aesthetics is what you're after

Thinking about 500 test/500 deca/500 primo or eq

>>71086483
hmu when you're rich and I'll consider being a gold digger, 4 u
>>71086497
but to achieve what

>>71086496
either (in weeks)
1-16 300mg test E , 1-18 weeks 250 iu HcG mwf , 10-17 25mg Var , 20-24 50mg/20mg Clomid/Novadex (12.5mg Aromasin, unkown use, EOD or E 3.5?
or
1-12 375mg test E , 1-14 250 mwf hcg (possibly 500-750 at end) , 6-13 25mg Var, 16-20 clomid/nova

Was gonna just eat 500-750 in a cut, or recomp, just lose weight while doing it in general. I have about 25 to cut, I can't gain strength on a cut for dogshit, and I binge eat if I sui-cut, so I gotta wait 24 weeks then bulk if I do it natty. Also I'm getting surgery where they are cutting skin, so I wanna look perfect for it. (next march)

I should also note I ate like <30g of fat for 8 months, and my body has never felt the same since, I was morbidly obese (400+ pounds), and had 185 pounds of LBM, so maybe I'll end up at 10% at 205? (currently 205 ~20%)

Either way, no pinning until I get my bloodwork, which can't be done until at least June 5th, as I've been chronically calorically restricted for like 2 years....

>>71086556
Also, I am AWARE I am not "natty limit" thats literally the entire reason. I don't want to be a freak, just max-holdable muscle on my frame at the leanest I can handle, which doing my nerd calculations is somewhere around 12% bf, and (possibly) 185 lbm?

I don't plan to use again, in fact, permanent shutdown terrifies me, and may be the single reason I don't pin

>>71086528
Get big and strong and feel good

>>71074788
1 month on gear. Did 2 weeks of 250 test like a pussy before bumping it to 500 test for the past 2 weeks. Haven’t gained a single pound, but have gotten significantly stronger, sweatier, hornier etc. no negative sides so far. Food is ass blastingly expensive. At this point I just want to go to McDonald’s and get 200 chicken nuggets for like 35 bucks, all I can afford kek. You guys were right this shit is pretty mild.

>>71086643
Test doesn’t really “kick” until like 8 weeks in. You haven’t gained any weight in a month?

>>71086317
I mean you’re not getting pussy anyway being a low test dyel lmao
>>71086386
Shit ain’t magic bro unless you never lifted in your life you won’t newby gain on a cut. Just keep it at 200mg weekly and possibly some var if you want to get ripped after the summer start blaring
>>71086643
This is what I keep telling you niggers lmao test is mild af. Much like how bald dudes meme fin as a death compound. Natties meme roids as some permadeath aids juice. But keep at it bro

>>71086583
permanent shut down from reasonable cycling not overly likely when you're using pct... even without it you'd probably regain functionality natty eventually in most cases (not recommended still)

congrats on the progress btw, assuming the excess skin is from weight loss love to hear it

>>71086556
why end with the var vs kickstart with it?
your clomid dose might be a little high and yeah, you might not need frequent asin especially if you're only doing a 300mg dose of test e and some var, but good that you have it on hand since you don't know how you respond yet (and i suppose if you end up sensitive to the hcg causing aromatization...)

if you really wanna drop residual bf/water above all else go keto for a while. can even eat a bunch of shit that'd be off your menu regularly, within reason

>>71086643
steroids aren't magic, at the end of the day what you put into it is what you get out. thousand n one guys have come here blasting huge doses of every compound imaginable and still look like utter shit after because end of the day your diet and training are genuinely more impactful to your progress if you didn't have some pre-existing deficiency or something... it's why people always recommend hitting your "natty limit" or focusing on diet/training improvement before hopping on (though obviously you can do both, just pushing more and more compounds still isn't going to help you if you're neglecting those things... and if you haven't gained at all in 1 month on a 250+ test cycle, i'm sorry to break it to you, but you are neglecting those things my man). protein powder is a good source of cals get it cheap it's all the same shit with different labels and flavors, nab some peanut butter too, unironically oats, lots of eggs, rice and canned tuna or beans depending on pricing where you live if you got a shit budget
>>71086635
first cycle or new cycle?
godspeed brother

>>71086749
I figured I'd gain some newbie gains on a cut with a first cycle no? Maybe 10-15 pounds is fucking ridiculous, but that seems to be what is average, cutting or bulking. I also agree that 250+ is a little dumb for someone not already huge, but hey, I guess we all gotta be a little retarded sometimes.

>>71086752
Yeah it's from weight loss, I can't see my abs cause they cover it (yeah i'm still a little fat, but I can clearly see it if I pull skin, like not even a fade)

I figure I shouldn't worry about HPTA perma shutdown, I've been reading and realize it's a 5% one off crazy thing from happening, but still, fuck that. Will probbaly pin anyways.

Ending with var just to keep strength going, also read it has visceral fat reduction ability and thyroid boosting via some mechanism with t4, so I figured adding that in, plus the knowledge I will never lose strength even at the end of the cycle, means I would benefit from it the most. I have no intention on front loading (okay, maybe 1 week, I have 7 weeks and 1 day in total) but I see no need.

I read about the Clomid/Nova doses, nowadays people think they are high yeah, fuck it though. Same with AI, kinda have to freestyle it.

Manipulating water is pretty easy with me, well, at least knowing why I bloat. If I binge or eat to much, etc etc, I gain 25 pounds because of the loose skin, on top of the 5-10 form natural bloat


All in all I actually have to worry about not over training, and not starving (I can eat a fuck ton, but I can also starve myself easily).

Also, I read and heard, admittedly not thoroughly researched, that it's actually more beneficial to start earlier, as you will have more potential, as you are above you're natural point essentially (as in where you should have been), just, do not exceed 300-400mg of test (to avoid brain stunting), and NUKE you estrogen (if in teens) for dick and height gains

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>>71086752
do you have any old vacaroos i can listen to?

>>71076021
Bro listen to me. Do not trust your thought right now, i know they feel right, but they are lies.
Do what the other anon said and be cool, tell her it was a one off drunken mistake and dont let it happen again
>Dont let it happen again
Do not invite her over to talk lol you will absolutely bang her again.
Repent to the Lord and dont let it happen again.
If you do, she might start to develop feels, and thats a whole new issue. JUST BE COOL BRO.

>>71086908
Oh I mean you’ll easily gain 10-15lb of muscle if you’re straight bulking. Summer is here/right around the corner depending on where you live so you might not want to because even on gas you’ll put on some fat. Idk man you seem fit as it is, if I were you test cruise + var shred up during the summer and go big in the fall

>>71086959
who tf are you kek
how do you and s'toon anon always end up being around when I post
and when are you gonna put this energy towards shilling for me c'mon
>>71086908
legit good on you dude
it sounds like you are taking safety precautions and planning to adjust as you go
admittedly you do sound a little paranoid but better paranoid when it comes to fuggin' with your endo system

the over training/restriction make a lot of sense if you used to be overweight. often poor diet goes from one side of the extreme to the other, because we haven't developed a proper relationship with it yet. it's just like how former anorexics often become obese because they haven't figured out the balance. even when you logically get it as a concept, it's a fucking struggle. so extra props to you for working on it and I wish you the best in finding your 'happy medium', so-to-speak, & results w/ your cycle

>>71086026
That's what I do. And my blood work after a year of blasting a gram of test and half gram of tren then cruising on half gram of test looks pretty good even with shit loads of accutane.

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>>71087247
>tfw you'll never get high on heroin with estp
>tfw you'll never hold her hair back while she throws up
>tfw you'll never lay in bed together watching anime and cuddle during the shivering heroin withdrawls
why even li(ft)ve

>>71074788
I had some nightmare tren cycles with unreal gains and unreal sides. Just an absolute nightmare physically and mentally. Cannot bear to use tren again. But surprisingly the gains have stuck around. Weirdly- to me anyway- even a lot of the vascularity has stayed. Have any of you anons experienced this- using tren or other compounds to get you to the next level and then maintaining it with test, without losing most of the gains?

>>71087265
Weirdly I kind of enjoy coming off cycle.

Never done dbol. Worth it? What am I missing out on?

>>71075881
You're a subhuman degenerate for cheating on your wife.
Even lower because you cheated on her WITH HER SISTER.
And now you're planning to threaten her with violence.
Wow anon, Surely this will have a good ending.

>>71075881
> I railed the absolute shit out of her on my dinning room table and she stayed over for the evening.
was it good tho?

>>71088138
Fuck yeah it was. Wedding gift. We could never afford something so good.
Solid mahogany.
Gonna be difficult to explain the damage.

>>71083630
I was at 36C / 96.8F after waking up, right now it's 36.5C / 97.7F
Not sure what that means. I always had 36C body temp after waking up.

>>71085178
1:1 probably. I use 500 test with no ai, and I did 1g test 1g eq and had lower BP than when on 500 test.

>>71088032
Relax anon I’m 99% sure it’s a larp

I feel fine on TRT + 350mg tren ace. Maybe slightly worsened sleep quality, but no deranged schizo thoughts or deviant sexual impulses.
This means I should bump the tren up to 500mg, right? Yes? Okay.

>>71087488
>Have any of you anons experienced this- using tren or other compounds to get you to the next level and then maintaining it with test, without losing most of the gains?
Yeah, I've only done one blast (Nov 21 - Apr 22), 300mg test/ 350mg tren, and have cruised on 150mg Test U since then. During that blast I put on 22lbs, 16 of which I kept, and my waist measurement remained the same.
Tren was interesting, people say you don't realize how fucked your thought process is until you come off and that was the case for me as well. I was borderline-manic in my interactions with people, pathologically overconfident, and a nymphomaniac, but I didn't realize it until I dropped the tren. It works great as long as it doesn't kill your appetite though, and I credit that overconfidence with helping me land my current job which I was underqualified for at the time.

is hgh worth it? Thinking 4 iu ed
Training "olympic" weightlifting 6 times a week currently. Want to go up to 9 sessions a week.

Would run with anabolics ofc. On anabolics anole right now.

>>71090662
>is hgh worth it?
No.

>>71083531
>Same shit happened to me on exact same doses.
how long did it take for the bloat to go away?

>>71091507
Literally months and that was while being on a deficit. I think i have a picture of my bloated ankle somewhere.

>>71074788
Trt here
Sup

>>71091546
are you the guy that had the heart problems too?

>>71091615
No heart problems. Actually i am the guy who was cutting on zero carbs since the beginning of the month and currently over 14 weeks into cut with shit visual progress. I've been trying to get rid of that bloat i got from tren.
Im also the guy who is going to check thyroid.

>>71086583
So basically you're a moron. You have no idea what any of these drugs do. Based on what you say you'd want a var only cycle for 9 weeks, no pct is required. Instead you have a soup on hand that doesn't correspond to your stated goal at all.

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>>71085606
>Grooming people for tren
You anti 19 not niggers literally fry your fucking livers with orals all year round. Tren sides are mild asf compared to oral abuse.
>>71086497
Primo is a waste of money. EQ all the way, keeps the joints nice as well.
>>71086643
Learn to cook you retard, food is incredibly cheap if you cook it yourself.
>>71087488
For me the tren sides were the worst on my very first cycle. It gets less and less every time I run it, this cycle it took like 3 months before my sleep got worse and that was mainly the orals desu
>>71090358
Tren makes me feel just good, imo the maniac shit y'all meme is retarded.

>>71083732
>>71084210
Just found old bloodwork results (not steroids related) from last year and i had TSH done. It was 1,380uIU/ml and range is 0,270 - 4,200.

>>71092117
I am hypothyroid. My results before diagnosis/treatment:

TSH 9.68 (ref 0.32 -5.00)
FreeT3 1.1 (ref 2.0-4.4)
FreeT4 0.69 (ref 0.71-1.85)

>>71091965
>For me the tren sides were the worst on my very first cycle.
Agree 100%. I'm on double the dose of my first cycle with half the sides.

>>71091965
The lessening of the sleep sides has not happened for me yet. Still a nightmare and the reason why I can’t take it again.

>>71091965
>y’all
To be fair I think the tren mental sides aren’t as bad if you’re already a retard

>>71092328
This is anti-southern discrimination

>>71092180
That bloodwork was done around 3 months post my 10 week tren blast 350mg/w and recent blast from end of 2022 and beginning of 2023 bloated me to hell.
Bloating started right after first pin so i doubt that my thyroid got blown out within one injection.

In my case:

Hyperthyroidism symptoms:
>Anxiety
>Difficulty concentrating
>Fatigue
>Frequent bowel movements
>Increased appetite
>Increased sweating
>Nervousness
>Pounding or racing heart beat
>Restlessness
>Sleep problems

Hypothyroidism symptoms:
>Feeling tired
>Experiencing numbness and tingling in your hands (in my feet, not hands)
>Experiencing soreness throughout your body
>Having higher than normal blood cholesterol levels (only LDL is bit over the range)
>Feeling depressed
>Experiencing a decrease sexual interest
>Feeling more forgetful (“brain fog”)

I guess this shit says nothing because all of those things can apply to many issues.

>>71092376
A lot of those are just common tren side effects too. Even steroids in general

>>71092621
I had all of those even before gear. Not saying that tren gave me any of this, just want to figure out is it worth it to waste my time and/or money to get my thyroid checked.

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>chatting with 40yo boomer gymbro
>we get into fraud territory
>i ask him what he's cycling
>he says it's only anavar and anadrol
>man is blasting orals like it's nothing while doing 0 blood tests
>bicepmogs me despite being almost 20 years older
Just wanted to share this blogpost with /fraud/.
But it's crazy how many people are on gear in my gym and their cycles are all out of the place.

>>71092703
Older lifters tend to have bigger arms, especially if they have a history of frauding

>>71092701
none of what I've googling about thyroid problems lists water retention as a symptom tho.

Can i use masteron on a bulk? Or will it make me look like a skelly?

>>71092795
>Can i use masteron on a bulk
pointless

>>71092795
>can I use a compound that grows muscle to grow muscle?

>start roiding
>want to suck and swallow femboy and tranny cocks for breakfast lunch and dinner

is this normal?

>>71092789
That is correct but the fact that i've been cutting for almost 4 months and now i'm looking as pre-blast while sitting at same body weight makes me wonder if my metabolism is fucked.

>>71093543
Thyroid hormones are anabolic. Too much can be catabolic, but normal levels are needed for muscle mass.

>>71091855
Var requires a PCT, I also need 12-16 weeks to lean out, not 6-10, also to reach a maximum obtainable physique I'd need to use test while cutting, Var wouldn't be enough in 1 cycle. Which then requires hcg and possible ai, as well as a pct.

I don't know how that doesn't make sense? Other than being a retard and pinning early.

>>71092703
It’s crazy how many people fraud. It’s like the worst kept secret but people still think they’ll make it natty lmao
>>71092888
>weird fantasy post
>doesn’t even post the bitch
Meh

>>71092807
It depends on what he is running. I added 350mg/w of mast prop to my test/deca bulk for the last 6 weeks and felt way better than without a dht derivative. If he's bulking on something like test solo or test/eq it's pointless for sure.

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Literal Retard here. Am I taking IM injections wrong? Red dot was my last injection today

>>71074788
adding rad-140 to my mk-677 and cardarine summer stack. lgd-4033 would give me too much bloat- wanna look good for a music festival coming up. love all of these three chemicals only things I'd ever need. in b4 i'm a sarm retard, yes i am and only one of those is a sarm

>>71074853
rad-140 is based, but you will need a pct

>>71076002
lmao do you have any tren stories for us?

>>71094800
i did tren
it was awesome
i wanna do it again
the end

>>71094780
But who was estrogen?

>>71094186
Var absolutely does not REQUIRE pct for a 9 week duration, get that stupid idea out of your head. It clears your system from peak plasma in a week after which your testes will restart with no trouble unless you have aberrant physiology in which case your cookie cutter "pct" that you clearly don't understand isn't going to help you.

alright bros, gf has booked a cruise and vacation during my cycle, week 6 to be exact. I was planning a 12 week test cycle. how do I go about this lul in the middle when I'll not be able to pin for 2 weeks?

>1-6 anvar + test
>6-8 vacation (what to: could I double dose test?)
>8-12 test (maybe var again?)

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>>71095519
are you saying that it doesn't require a PCT as in, it does not provide shutdown, or as in that the length of time to "wait" isn't as much as a Test cycle? That's why I am waiting 21-28 days to PCT (it seems 21 is to short, but 28 is to long? will have ~5mg at


Using DNP for hcg (same halflife) and a daily test dosage just to show steady state, this is what it'd look like.

I'd be using extra hcg to bridge the gap form test clearing. I'd be bottomed out only 1-1.5 weeks at all and then I'd introduced the SERMs. It'd be the same as if I did var no test, and I'm also planning on using var during the hcg bridge too.


I don't even mean to retort, I am genuinely curious, if I am missing something I'd like to know.

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gonna do my first test only cycle soon.

HCG worth it? seems like a hassle having to pin 2-3 more times a week.
do you guys just pin the same spot where you pinned your test? like back to back? or do you pin the HCG later on in the day?

>>71095612
Var on its own will suppress natural testosterone production; what I'm saying is that if it's run for 9 weeks at a sane dosage the suppression doesn't matter. Think about WHY you are taking the pct, you're trying to restore natural testosterone production; but it's not necessary to do that over 9 weeks. I wouldn't expect any intervention to be necessary even with 16 or 20 weeks of var; the literature shows that this is safe. If you're so terrified of shutdown why are you using testosterone at all? There's nothing on earth more suppressive of testosterone production then TESTOSTERONE. Var does not convert to estrogen so elevated estrogen that would signal to your testes to stop producing testosterone does not take place and the downregulation of production happens by slower indirect mechanisms.

Second, why do you need 20 weeks? What is your actual goal? Why are you basing a cut on var and test, while being afraid of hypogonadism, on test and var rather than t4, clen, var, EC, semaglutide, somatropin, or anything else that would actually align with your stated objective?

>>71095747
True, test is the most suppressive of all.

16 weeks for the cycle, 4 weeks for the half life.

The var (and test) is for increased mass on a cut, I don't expect much but increasing strength and lbm is currently what depresses me when cutting atm, instantly stagnating from week 2+ is annoying, as well as during a cut my natural test production gets obliterated anyways, I have 0 energy or willingness to do anything, then comes me picking at food, doing cardio "later", then my 750cal cut becomes 250. Not really a T thing, I just am kind of over dieting really...

As far as Sema goes, doesn't work, at least at doses <2mg, that's when I had to cut it for a maintenance (right now). Tirz I've only done 2.5mg, and as a matter of fact sitting here on week 2 of not taking either, I don't even notice a difference in appetite from when I was.

t3 I can buy, EC "doesn't work", GH true, but I don't know how to implement it, I understand 1/2 IU AM/PM? You can only utlizie 0.9 IU for fat loss.

Essentially I'm just looking to cut and feel as if I did when I was first losing weight, feeling BETTER, getting STRONGER, getting LEANER, versus feeling like shit, losing reps, feeling flat/softer, etc. And I figure that since my natty T gets destroyed during a cut anyways, I may as well pin T, and have it destroyed later for a reason as well as have less "low T" as if I did a natty cut. On top of mass gains (albiet small) while in a deficit, as I've been stagnant for 3-4 months now, due to lack of calories.

>>71095684
500IUs 2x per week with your testosterone

>>71095684
HCG is a decent insurance plan for your testes. I pin test on one delt hcg on the other same days

>>71095820
So by your own admission you have a behavioral problem not a biological one.

>instantly stagnating from week 2+ is annoying

So you're going to take pharmaceuticals because you're ANNOYED

>as well as during a cut my natural test production gets obliterated anyways, I have 0 energy or willingness to do anything, then comes me picking at food, doing cardio "later", then my 750cal cut becomes 250.

Is a blood test telling you that or are you guessing from the symptoms? Cutting doesn't feel awesome.

>Not really a T thing, I just am kind of over dieting really...

Directly contradicts former statement. Also, if it's not a testosterone issue and why are you trying to solve it with testosterone?

>t3 I can buy, EC "doesn't work", GH true, but I don't know how to implement it, I understand 1/2 IU AM/PM? You can only utlizie 0.9 IU for fat loss.

Any amount in the morning, pin it and do fasted cardio is the general fat loss rec. Not saying it applies to you.

>Essentially I'm just looking to cut and feel as if I did when I was first losing weight, feeling BETTER, getting STRONGER, getting LEANER, versus feeling like shit, losing reps, feeling flat/softer, etc. And I figure that since my natty T gets destroyed during a cut anyways, I may as well pin T, and have it destroyed later for a reason as well as have less "low T" as if I did a natty cut.

How do you know your natty t is getting "destroyed?" By your own admission, your shit is 100% not dialed in. Are you getting enough protein? Is your training appropriate for cutting? I know you're going to tell me that the answer is yes but look objectively at your performance.

The bottom line is that you either do or do not have low testosterone. If you have low testosterone the solution is testosterone. Your PERFORMANCE GOAL is to lose fat. If you need pharmaceuticals to support that, then fine. But choose ones that are appropriate to the GOAL.

>>71095888

where else do you pin besides delts?
I don't want marks on my delts from the pins

>>71095592
Just do cyp. It’ll be fine

>>71092352
Maybe ten years ago. Y’all has been co-opted by absolute retards. There are zero exceptions

>>71095910
I'm eating at minimum 150g daily, and 30-45g of fat daily. Admittedly, I do not have bloodwork, but give or take by week 2-4, no less no more, I start getting this overlooming sense of dread, the inability to feel satiety, bitchiness/moodiness, lack of drive, no boners, inability to sleep, and a few other problems, I was unironically 3 days away from taking my own head off but I binged instead and felt amazing somehow, but that was a long while ago.

I drop to 8-12 sets per group weekly on a cut, especially since I can't seem to gain, I've already tried that ha ha. I push to maintain the reps, but eventually I lose 1 or 2, never 2-3 though, immediatly if I stop, I gain 1-2 and can progress back to 1 rep a session to a week if I'm lucky, sometimes not though.


The objective goal is to lose fat yes, so far the only 2 issues that bare it's head are "annoyance of massing stopped" and "cravings", in fact for cravings, I prefer to be hungry than full, for some reason if I'm starving I can't cheat, it's when I'm full I can justify it. But that's just me being a fat bitch. I won't even pin till that's sorted. With that being said though, VAR still seems worthwhile, TEST seems worth it, but not for fat loss?(as I said, I also would enjoy that "newbie gains" once more.) I won't be able to budget GH, I have spare semaglutide for when I desperately need it, I'll just raw pin 2.5mg one day. EC for cardio and possible t3?

Also I noted I need surgery soon, the test gains will put me into a better position for "looking good" at the time of the surgery, without the need to cut/bulk/cut. This allows me to maintain my weight, without worrying about rebound Post-Op. I'll have maintained for 6months+ if I pin test now and cut. As well as I will only need to drop 15 pounds, and not 25, leaving less "binge" opportunities, as the diet will not be as severe/long.

>>71095910
I’m not following but who cares if natty t is high or low.

>>71095986
By your own statement, the exception is the other non-absolutely retarded co-opting party of the slang.

you fucking retard

>>71095929
VG but I use slim pins so there's nothing noticeable

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>>71095592
bring your gear

>>71074788
so who is this anywasys

>>71095994
Ok, I don't think you should do drugs but if you are going to use drugs, your answer is var because it won't crush your test, orals blunt appetite, and if you buy a lot you'll have some left over for surgery and var is phenomenal for wound healing. Increase protein to 1.5 g/lb and fat to 1g/kg but no more. Get a blood test, it's more valuable to you than any drug. I wish there was a drug to give you clarity of mind. Looking good for a surgery, fucking ridiculous. You don't even trust yourself to eat properly and yet you can administer yourself pharmaceuticals? Absurd

>>71095996
Because it would provide clarity to the nature of his started problem. If he's just low t then he needs test. If he's normal t and just being a bitch while dieting then giving him t would be giving dumb

>>71096017
Nah southerners are usually retarded too. So I guess a (very) few exceptions

>>71074788
WHO

>>71096103
That's unnecessary amounts of protein though no? Also yeah, I can probably up my fats. I was planning on getting blood work on the fifth or twelfth of June, as I'd be out of a deficit by then. 700+ no pin, 500-600 I'll consider, <500 I'm not even going to bother questioning it. And even then, I'm still thinking about it.

I don't trust myself to eat properly while undergoing a caloric deficit. The only reason for that itself is that it was chronic for 16 months (8 and 8 if you count a 4 week break) and then tried to keep dieting while just spinning my wheels. Maintenance is easy, and bulking is even easier. The 1 and only thing I can't bother with is cutting, once I do this final one, PEDs or not, I will NEVER put myself into a spot where I have to cut again, fucking ever. At least not for 1-5 years. I can most certainly muster up the non-faggotry to do another 12-16 weeeks though. But no more, I'm tired.

Looking good for a surgery where they are going to be contouring my body from the loose skin I have, to not look as good as possible is stupid no? I mean, do I need test for it? Probably not, they said it's fine where I am right now. Do I want to be at the body I want to maintain forever when I get it? Yes.

>>71096216
Protein numbers are a whole thing, I don't want to get into it. Just consider high protein high fiber diets are easy to adhere to. I'm not your coach so I'm not gonna interrogate you about your past cuts but when someone is struggling with cutting and is eating 150g protein (unless it's a100 pound women) then that's problem number 1.

Listen to your doctors about the surgery. You are behaving irrationally, step outside yourself for a moment and actually reflect

>>71096280
No I get you, I have eaten up to 250g and as low as 120g and noticed no difference past 150g is all. When not cutting I typically eat 200g, as I have an extra meal. I was thinking of adding more in though, haven't came back to it in a while. When I was doing whatever it took I was adding scoops of whey into unflavored gelatin to hit protein goals for the day in 1500cals though, so I'm not a pussy about muh protein. I should mention I ate like 10g of fat for like 3 months there...

I probably am, I bought everything on a whim to be honest. I mean the idea is sound in my head really, but it was all pretty fast. I still think It's a good idea, but it's because it's sitting here. I still believe if pull the pin, no pun intended, I will have did it as sound as possible. However I did not do it as far sighted as possible. There will probably be no harm done, but there shouldn't have been any harm at all.

>>71096318
I can't say it any simpler: pick the right tool for the right job.

>>71094761
You're good

>>71094761
>pinning quads

I ordered Var for my wife since she wants to be a varbie but they sent a bunch of 50mgs instead of the 20mgs I ordered so now I'm going to take some as well on top of test/tren because fuck sticking with a plan or being healthy or anything like that.

>>71094761
Looks good to me>>71096667
Why is this such a thing? I was scared off but when I was pinning eod I needed more sites so I decided to try quads. It’s not a big deal. At. All. Only two issues I can see is first I tried doing it without pinching the muscle together and the pain was unreal but pinching solves that and second it might be kind of easy to hit a vein but I’m white so I can see the veins

>>71096667
Quads started out as my most hated place to pin due to the anxiety of hitting a bad spot and the pip the first 3 or so times was terrible. Now I don't even notice it, never an issue, and I'm convinced that people who have issues are retards either trying to pin in one spot too often or never even looked at an injection site map.

>>71096720
>>71096733
Same here I don't have any issue with quads, one of the easiest sites to pin imo.

How much air can you have in front of test in a syringe? If you had about 0.2 ml of air in front of the test at the end of the needle is that bad?

>>71097034
You could inject 5ml of air in a muscle and all that'll happen is pain from your muscle being pushed around by the air. No, it's not bad, and could only be bad if you injected directly into a vein or artery which you'd have to be a retard to do so. I do at least .05 ml each time since that's a little more than what would sit in the needle.

Why is it so fucking easy to forget how much of a nightmare the tren sides are once you’re off? Every time at the end of the cycle it’s no fucking way in hell am I ever doing that again and then a few months later that itch is there to hop back on.

>>71097234
Literally the only negative side effects I've had have been very low amounts of bacne and the occasional shortness of breath. I don't understand what you guys are doing to have nightmare side effects.

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Anybody have experience with melanotan? I wanted to try it out, how many vials do you need and how long should you be running it?

>>71097274
What’s your dose? Don’t know what to say. I get on tren and the nightmare begins. Bad sleep, bacne but not really that bad- the one side besides hair loss that I don’t really have too badly, horrible insomnia, bad temper/easily irritable (but this I can control), insane paranoia (this I can’t control- have a very wealthy mentally stable girlfriend I’m lucky to be with and was absolutely ready to end it with her over stuff I made up in my head), increased appetite for junk food/sugar, terrible cardio, increased heart rate- up like 15 bpm while sleeping, and heartburn. I’m not very prone to sides on anything else but tren is just a nightmare for me. Hate everything about it but loved the results

>>71097468
Melanotan seems kind of weird to me. Can’t imagine ever wanting to use it.

>>71097468
Just don't. This shit will give tons of moles and will make dark skin spots even darker. I know only couple people irl who used it and they regret it.

>>71096098
>>71096180
https://twitter.com/kristen_nun?lang=en

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>>71075881
yep thats sounds like tren, just fuck her again bro and casually tell her to keep the secret

Just how good are roids? I'm progressing ok as a natty, takes about two months to slap 5kg on 12rm ohp, I'm at 85kg 12rm now, for example. Half a year, I'll be doing 12x100. Will roids get me there much faster?

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>>71099677
>retard thinks that strength progress is linear

Went to an old gym I haven’t been to in about 16 months
Gym owner asked if I gained weight, says my face got fat, and told me to start to watch my calories

I gained 5kg in this time and body looks way better

176cm went from 69 to 74kg

Does test give chipmunk cheeks? What the fuck? Maybe it’s just age? I’m 36

>>71099845
>there are 43 muscles in the face alone
>non-natty levels of testosterone allow you to store more glycogen in the muscles
>be surprised that muscles in the face are not the exception

>>71099870
Why should it be just the fucking cheeks

I wouldn’t mind some jaw muscles

>>71099822
It got pretty linear after I switched to a 10x12 bodypart split. I was spinning wheels for years before that on meme routines.

>>71099981
Oh so you were a beginner

>>71099845
Dyel manlet.

How often do you work out when blasting? How often when cruising?

>>71100051

>>71096124
keep saving face you dumb nigger.

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Not replying to all of the post cause there's too many. If tren "turned" you into an asshole chances are you were already an asshole. Fucking acting like tren (at low doses lmao) is a demonic possession where a normal guy did a complete 180 into a porn addicted, violent, paranoid psycho. Or you got psyoped by reddit and youtube by listening to fake stories and the literal minority of harsh symptoms

>>71100662
So much this. Tren is le good, that’s why me and all my bros on Reddit steroids shill it and groom DYELs into taking it

>>71074788
I'm so fucking horny on Masteron. I've gotten head from like 3 dudes, this is the first time I've used Grindr and I don't think I'm gay. I'm going to get AIDS if I keep this shit up lmfao. I'm too autistic to get the amount of pussy required to satisfy the sex drive.

>>71090323
500/500 test/tren is my sweet spot. Have caber on hand just in case. High prolactin can kill the libido.

>>71087462
I'm not the only recovered heroin junky turned on to roids?

>>71101024
Like half of roiders are ex junkies. Lurk /r/steroids and half of people are blue collar recovering opioid addicts

>>71099845
I definitely get a bit bloated facially it goes away post cycle though

>>71100662
Simply not true. The idea that it’s going to turn you into an actual maniac is overblown. But the idea that tren makes you think weird things is absolutely not overblown at all

>>71090662
>is hgh worth it? Thinking 4 iu ed
No, you have to use at the least 10 iu a day to see any real growth, preferably 15+iu a day if you want to become a mutant and you have to run pharma to prevent numb hands and water retention.

>>71101402
Not him but out of curiosity what if you just wanted to see like skin hair and aging benefits

>>71097468
You can run melanotan 1 to prevent dark spots and dark moles but it isn't as strong as melanotan 2, melanotan 1 I would get at least 3 vials of it, melanotan 2 then all you need is 2 vials and get used to the random boners.

>>71101421
oh then just run 2iu a day for skin and nail benefits

Gluton here, which roids will make not gain fat after eating 4000 calories a day, every day

>>71101402
That's fucking retarded, you have no idea what you're talking about. Any amount "works" and cost goes up linearly. How much does this dude weigh? Drugs are dosed based on body mass. Idiot

>>71101518
Steroids don't burn fat or prevent you from gaining fat, they do the opposite. They will make you put on fat easier but you also gain muscle easier.

What is considered a high dose of tren ace?
I've been taking 50mg per day for the last few weeks, but just recently bumped up the dose to 75mg per day. Feel fine so far.

>>71102158
You're fucking stupid you have no idea what you're talking about

>>71095684
I pin EOD and just add 250 iu to the same syringe with my gear. My balls still look normal

>>71096697
I started buying caps with way higher doses than I plan to take. I make a suspension with them. I could just buy raws, but I trust my couple domestic sources and don't want to fuck with raws suppliers. Did the same with my desiccated thyroid since each pill is 10 grains of thyroid and that was fucking me up.

>>71102225
>each pill is 10 grains of thyroid
jesus christ my heart would be pounding lol

>>71101139
If it was that serious the people who's relationships/lives have been supposedly ruined by the drug wouldn't be class clowning in their post for the most awards/upvotes/replies/views/yous basically begging people to take it

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>>71074788
Is RAD140 really a cutting drug? Both Ostarine and RAD140 bloat, Ostarine even more so.

>>71102182

People shoot over a gram of tren. I'd consider that high. 500 mg or somewhere around there is the sweet spot for me.

>>71102575
yea I did it for a couple weeks before I realized how dumb it was. But now I have enough for a year probably. Tastes pretty shitty in suspension. I use an oral syringe and shoot it near the back of my mouth

>>71102182
That is a high dose. You won't get more out of more gear.
>>71103356
People shooting a gram are misinformed, or using bunk gear.

Is 500mg test 25mg anavar a good first cycle?

>>71104221
Save the var for the last 6 weeks of the cycle and run it at 50mg/day.

>>71104236
Youre fucking stupid, how long is the cycle? How much does he have? Why backload it? You are ignorant

>>71104283
Lets hear what you have to say then faggot

>>71104306
I wouldn't say anything. I'd ASK QUESTIONS because I am not a fucking moron and I realize I don't have enough information to give a recommendation.

>>71104321
It's a basic test / var cycle it's not rocket science.

>>71104283
Planned on a 8 week cycle of both along with hcg then I planned on clomid post cycle for 4 weeks then get blood work done and see if I need to continue clomid

>>71104343
Ok, WHY do you think you need clomid. Why are you planning on getting your bloods done at the 4 week mark when you're still going to have drugs in your system? That's not going to tell you shit.

>>71104330
Then you should have no trouble explaining why you're recommending backloading. I know you can't since you clearly didn't pass highschool biology

>>71104383
Because 500mg is a large dose figured it would suppress the fuck out of me would clomid be unnecessary at this range?

>>71104445
Yes it's going to suppress you. Look at the duration of your during and after. During, suppression doesn't matter because you're injecting test. Immediately after, your test declined down over the course of weeks from peak plasma concentration to the bottom of what your body will tolerate, aka your lowest natural testosterone level (test emission from the testes is pulsatile). After that, your testes will return to the production of testosterone naturally. IF THAT LAST STAGE DOESNT HAPPEN then you have a problem. Taking clomid immediately at the end of your administration is going to do fuckall because you still have more than natural testosterone levels.

>>71104445

500 mg

Large dose

Pick one.

>>71104569
For a first cycle 500mg is considered large 250-500 is typical range for first so yeah I'd say its large as a first the anavar cycle is small though

>>71104608
500 mg of shit isn't a large dose but 500mg of test is a lot of test. People get retarded about test when they could do half that of primo or nandralone or var or whatever the fuck that doesn't aromatize like test.

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>eat at a calorie surplus while lifting 5 days a week
>get fat
>cut calories, maintain ~200g protein daily at 2000 calories
>get leaner but just turn into a twink

I have repeated this bulk/cut cycle a few times now with mediocre results. I look like someone that barely lifts, despite me never missing a gym day and maintaining correct macros everyday. I am 34 years old. A few years ago I got tested at a TRT clinic. They brought me in for 2 separate tests, one was a 420 and one was a 400. That's all I can remember, but they told me I didn't need TRT. I am frustrated with the results I get in comparison to the effort I put in. I am thinking it's time to get on gear. Pic related, me right now, 6' 188lbs.

>>71104733
Just pin. I actually got compliments on my natty physique but it was an absolute joke compared to what I looked like after a few cycles

>>71104221
Do >>71104236 this. That way you know what test solo feels like and what test + anavar feels like

>>71104933
Possibly One of the stupidest things I have ever read. What is the point of doing steroids? Is the point of doing steroids to understand how they feel? Idiot. The point is to grow muscle mass.

first cycle cutting? yay or nay, 16 weeks

Test E + (week 8) Var + HCG, 300 + 25 + 750

>>71105047
Why are you such a moody dyel nigger. Take your AI and stop being a bitch

>>71105103
Why don't you scroll up and see what the last guy got told. Those are workable numbers. You don't need HCG.

>>71105129
either way though, is it a bad idea? I planned on using for the specific purpose of not having to bulk again, just gain "some" lean tissue while cutting.

5lbs and 15 lost is better than 20lbs and 10 gained to me man, not even lying.

>>71105109
Too bad you can't inject logic, mongoloid. The real nigger move is to blindly consume pharma without any understanding of what they are or what they do.

>>71105147
How am I supposed to tell you if it's a bad idea or not? you either do or do not understand what the drugs do; you understand (presumably) your hierarchy of priorities. Do the drugs fit into that hierarchy of priorities? That's your answer. Would I do that? Maybe. I would probably consider alternatives too. Did you look at clen? GH? Sema? If you're set on using those, I'd walk the test back to two to three grams per kilo of body weight and bump the anavar to 40 mg.

been using nandrolone for a few months, my brain melted.. i cant recall even a song full lyrics, almost 3 weeks without using it and good signs of improvements in diziness and a few other symptons, but my memory sucks and i cant perform deep thoughts, thats fucked up because im a programmer.. i'm fucked guys.

>>71105196
I'm a CS student and had 0 issues taking npp during school. I actually had one of my better semesters.
I think you're just a placebo prone retard and should avoid the bullshit spewed on reddit.

>>71105291

i don't access reddit, good for you that you hadn't issues.

its been 2 months since I finished pct from a first test cycle, 500 weekly dose.
my dick feels thin, like limp and weak and generally small and shit. it's so floppy and definetly wasn't like this before I cycled. anyone had anything like this? I'm going to get bloodwork done again, anything I should look out for?

>>71105660
Deca dick without the deca damn good luck

>>71105702
what do?

Anyone ever tried SR-9011? Never cycled anything before but this seems pretty based, kinda scared about tumors though

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