Here we laugh at people stupid enough to try the ketosis (reddit) diet. Facebook Karens, fatasses, and people too lazy to walk.Fuck keto, fuck you, and fuck memediets.
Then what is the ideal diet!? Everything I do someone has an opinion its bad and will kill me in the long run. WHATS THE FUCKING POINT IN ANYTHING!
Anon was correct
>>67867141Eat less, fatshit. Move more. You're future gf will thank the current you.
Ketoschizo will be here in321
>>67867141high protein, medium carb & fat. eat clean, skip processed garbage. ideally little to no refined sugar.
>>67867226What do you think carbohydrates are you stupid fuck. Eat carbohydrates but not sugar lol lmao
Anyone who does keto is a homo.
I did keto for one week and had my hormones tested and my T dropped by half. It's a literal tranny diet.
>>67867141The total opposite of keto. Disregard opinions, embrace facts. Ketofags have remarkably little to support their bullshit, which is why they spend so much time sowing uncertainty about validity of dietary research. It's the flat-earth of diets.
>>67867114>OMG Becky did you see what he was eating!?!?big female energy here
>>67867279>refined>sugarnot sure if retarded or missing the point
>>67867114Fake/photoshopped image.Antiketo posters are dishonest like democrats.
>>67867114All fad diets are just ways to reduce calories without tracking them. Most IRL ketotards know and accept this, only shills online try and sell keto as being somehow special or magic. CICO always wins.
>>67867318They have tried, the famous Kevin Hall experiments funded and designed by keto grandmaster Gary Taubes himself. Controlled randomized trials, completely disproved everything keto shills claimed (insulin-obesity hypothesis). That's when they switched tactics to saying all nutrition and dietary medical research is wrong, which in turn opened path to completely insane things like carnivore diet. Once you disregard some evidence on the excuse that it's not "done good enough", might as well disregard all of it and just sell fantasy. I mean nobody will get sued as long as they put fine print somewhere saying it's not professional medical advice. Which is what they do.
>>67867386>>67867402LOL he always leads with roiding boomer!
>>67867458Tranny has joined the conversation. Tranny- post body.
>>67867114I tried keto for a month once, my performance and cardio went to shit. I train judo also and i was getting gassed out after 20 mins. I still stay away from grains but i eat lots of fruit and honey for carbs.
>>67867284>Unsustained weight controlNot sure what that means. Yo-yoing?
I notice the anti keto vegan obsessive never posts body, what does this mean?
>>67867458Bart on the level of saladino I will not accept he's the most knowledgeable on the entire list
>>67867114i'm not saying carbs are literally the devil, i'm just saying people who vilify exclusively fats are brainwashed by the 80s and 90s anti-cholesterol propaganda based on outdated science theories
>>67867412Cico is for redditors and women.Fasting is for Men.
>>67867689Fasting is just another way of reducing calories without having to track them.
>>67867544Mmmm blue waffle :3Cico is unironically a jewish trick.
>>67867728Do whatever mental gymnastics you want faggot. Go play with your gay little calculator. Lmao, MyButtholePal
>>67867689don't get me wrong but1) fasting is mostly CICO still2) fasting is great for weight loss, but terrible for muscle mass.
>>67867731Kek imagine being a ketotranny. What's reddit like?
lmaorip ryan talbot spamfor a month there he was the greatest athlete in the world
>>67867767Are you saying you'd lose weight eating 5000 kcal per day as long as you fasted?
>>67867767You're the one doing mental gymnastics if you think your body violates the laws of physics bud. I fast too but the way it works is calorie restriction.
>>67867114I'll share my keto story wicked quick:>Was raised hardcore vegan/vegetarian in SDA church.>Could never get enough food. Always hungry.>Got parasite infection in gut mid-20s.>Always starving, but now with constipated diarrhea.>Teeth started cracking despite brushing every day.>Looked up best diet to preserve teeth.>Low-carb/keto>Tried it for six months.>Inflammation went away.>Overgrowth of parasites fled.>Lost 30 pounds, most of that water-weight from the constant inflammation growing up.>Joints stopped aching.>No longer starving.>SDA dad expects me to drop dead from a heart attack any day now.>Ironically, he's the one with a heart condition where it races uncontrollably.>He blames it on other people getting vaccines and being infected by their spike proteins. Also blames the times he cheated and gorged himself on milk and cheesecake.I eat whatever I want these days. I just eat way less because I find meat to be more sustaining.
>>67867837It's okay. He'll always have Kelly Hogan and Dr. Ekberg lmfao
>>67867874>Inflammation went away.I think you are a liar, satfat is one of the more inflamitory things you can eathttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4424767/https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2016/03/401906/saturated-fat-short-circuits-immune-cells-trigger-inflammationhttps://www.matherhospital.org/wellness-at-mather/diet-nutrition/the-connection-between-diet-and-inflammation/
>>67867604Similar to me I think. My diet is 80% animal based. Lots of meat, animal fat, yoghurt, hard cheese etc... Any frying done in ghee.But I also eat honey, banana, strawberries and have salads with beetroot, olives, lettuce, carrot etc... A few times every week. The main thing for me is totally cutting out grains and seed oils. That alone dropped a shitload of fat off me.
I eat keto because im a pig who cant control myself when it comes to carbs so i always overeat bread,pasta and pastries. Keto let me loose 60kg and i feel much better mentally and sleep better too.
>>67867915If you feel better following the consensus of academics and the healthcare industry, be my guest. I shared an anecdote and all of it really did happen.
>>67868072>If you feel better following the consensus of academics and the healthcare industry, be my guest. I shared an anecdote and all of it really did happen.That's fine if you felt better, just say that. Don't go around spreading nonsense like "inflammation went down"
>>67867141Ideal is what you're genetically suited for, which means eating what your ancestors ate.Best in general is Mediterranean, as shown in pretty much every study ever done on nutrition.
>>67867114Hungry pig.Lets meet up and figth coward
>>67868117Dont @ me u spastic knobend.
>>67867114Keto is fine, just don’t use it as an excuse to eat junk food.
>>67867823>Kek imagine being a ketotranny. What's reddit like?It's full of midwit faggots like you
>>67867114OP is a coward and a clownFatass virgin.
>>67867114Why does that matter? Arent You a redditor anyways ?
>>67867604Takes about 3 months to become fully fat adapted, but besides that, switching your diet overnight is one of the worst thing you can do. No wonder you felt like shit if you treated your body like shit.>>67867780Dead wrong. Not only a fasted state is vastly different from CICO, but the only time CICO works is when you're about 1000Kcal under your TDEE because your basal metabolic rate depends on your caloric intake in the first place.Add to that the fact that proteins are very seldom used for energy yet are still included in the caloric tally.CICO is retarded pseudoscience while fasting is the thinking man's way of doing things; not only will it not fuck with your thyroid and electrolyte levels, but the metabolic water you produce is very low in deuterium, and then there's all the detox benefits (could be a double edged sword, if your system has too much shit in it you'd need active carbon), the HGH production, the stem cell released, etc...Benefits which you will never get on a retarded CICO caloric restriction, because fasting is not starvation.
>>67867114If only I could gut You like fish.
>>67867114Why SO hungry fatty ?
>>67867114Dumb frog poster
>>67867431>>67867304100 years of studies show that calorie restriction (CICO) diets don't work and that 90% of fatties who follow them just yoyo back and become even fatter.Are you man enough to look the CICOcuckold in the eye and tell him, "Sorry, but i REJECT the Talmud".
>>67868004How fat were you and how much did you drop. Asking for a friend.
>>67868474I did this. I created jelly by mixin it. Don't try this You Will get fat fast
>>67868533>100 years of studies show that calorie restriction (CICO) diets don't workYou are retarded.
>>6786804860kg? That's massive. Well done, dude.Do you lift?If yes, then you'll need to reintroduce carbs into your diet eventually.
>>67868590(((You))) are a jew.
>>67868236>Add to that the fact that proteins are very seldom used for energy yet are still included in the caloric tally.Huh? Fasting burns more muscle than fat. Just think about it, it doesn't make sense for your body to get rid of its precious energy stores in a time of starvation. Your body will want to conserve energy in that state so you'll burn muscle instead.If you want to lose weight sustainably you need to eat less than you burn. It's really easy, just calculate how many calories you burn in a day and eat less than that and you'll be on the fast track to being lean and healthy :^)
>>67868590He is correct. You're retarded.
>>67868677dubs of truth
>>67867874sounds about right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybn93490tvk&t=226s
>>67867689Are we talking multiple day fasts, or eating windows? Big difference, especially if you protein fast which is arguably not even fasting. Skipping a meal or two really isn't a big deal if it works for you.
>>67868565I wasn't fat I was bloated up to like 20% bodyfat. Cut grains and seed oils a few months and down to around 15% and still leaning up.The thing is I'm not restricting calories all that much. I just switched out most of the carbs I was eating for animal based stuff. Eat a lot of full fat greek yoghurt, and drink some OJ in the mornings, a few strawberrys, a banana here and there and a teaspoon on honey a day... Few little baby spuds with dinner sometimes. I guess I'm 'low-carb' but definitely not zero carb.The fat loss has been slow and steady but my energy levels haven't dropped at all, my lifts are good, cardio is improving.I dropped down to 12% bf a couple of years ago with fasting and caloric restriction without any regard for carbs or seed oils and felt like absolute shit all the time. Doing it this way has been totally effortless.
>>67867689Lard ass to dyel whats the point of fasting?
>>67867431>>67867412>>67867318Sugar spikes insulin much higher than protein, cico of a low protein-high carb diet is far worse.Humans spent some 200k+ years prior to agriculture in the late neolithic, eating meat as 90+% of their diet, especially during winter months, when migrating and following herds.Ketones are produced because your body can produce energy effectively from meats and fats.
>>67868882To shit in your mouth and to fuck your sister
>>67868761What's with ketolards and greek/roman statues?
>>67868955afghan tier insult
>>67867114Any extreme diet is retarded. 30 percent of Europeans have the APOE4 gene and can't process much fat at all without getting severe diseases.There are no long-lived populations that eat a lot of meat
>>67867114lankets lol when will they ever learn
>>67868920>Humans spent some 200k+ years eating bacon fried in lard and whole sticks of butter>source: dr Goldberg from Silverstein University
>>67868533Imagine being this obsessed with Jews
>>67869103Post body, mutt.Besides, of course you don't have a wife or a girlfriend and I'm not fucking your ugly hag mother. So sister it is.
>>67868533>90% of fatties who follow them just yoyo back and become even fatterwell they are addicted gluttonious pigs, nobody is surprised.
>>67867141Vertical diet + asian pickles.
>>67869082They are genuinely stupid
>>67867874Switching out carbs for protein causes weight loss. Same with fat and protein. But between fat and carbs, there isn’t much of a difference per calorie.
I do keto because it's the best diet to nuke my testosterone. My keto titties are growing. Do you want to see my tiny white nub? Thanks keto!
>>67867226this but with 10-20% garbage so you can do it forever and not resent your life, your friends, or your family
>>67867666Checked. Bart is a liar who can't admit when he makes a mistake ("fruit sugar is fructose, that won't spike your insulin"), he has diagnozed pathological demand avoidance like a child, he's a manlet, he's DYEL, he's an exercise physiologist who thinks he's the only one who gets it right while he can't do 15 squats without getting sore for a week, he makes spit noises while speaking, he has a fatass bitchy girlfriend who he refers to as his "hot Swedish girlfriend", he has cringy arguments with his girlfriend on his live streams like an old married couple, he's emotional, he wears leather pants, he has different standards for himself and everyone else when it comes to what arguments are acceptable, he repeats himself constantly, he reacts to irrelevant statements in other people's videos, he strawmans the CICO argument, he tried to do a ridiculous "lose 15 pounds of fat challenge" and failed. His old intro was an animation of himself wearing leather pants and chopping with an axe
>>67867141McDonalds and just Macros.
>>67867114keto dieters always look like wilted plants and it blows my mind because you'd think collagen and glycine in its abundance would keep them supple looking
>>67869414vegan lies>Total testosterone increased significantly from weeks 0 to 11 in the KD diet (118 ng·dl) as compared to the WD (-36 ng·dl) from pre to post while insulin did not change. The KD can be used in combination with resistance training to cause favorable changes in body composition, performance, and hormonal profiles in resistance-trained men. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28399015/
>>67867114Three people in my family and one friend have been on a keto diet. They ALL lost weight. They ALL gained back MORE than they lost. One was hospitalized for a heart attack after the initial weight loss. One had gastric bypass and then ended up gaining the weight back after. The weird thing is how most of them still defend the diet after gaining all that weight back. It's really fucked up. Meanwhile I've been very loosely following Dr. John McDougall's Starch Solution diet for about five years now. in short, I eat meat when it's offered to me. I avoid most fat, but still make tortilla's with a little lard. The weight dropped off. From 240+ lbs to 160 lbs. That's 80 lbs! The weight stays off. I exercise way less than ever before. Yet every fat person that wants to talk about diet tells me what I'm doing isn't healthy. Funny.
>>67869457>fruit sugar is fructose, that won't spike your insulinwhere's the mistake though
>>6786714190% starchy carbs. Oats, rice, lentils, beans, potatoes, etc. No added fat except for medicinal or remedial use. No meat. No dairy. Not that hard. Watch the weight drop off. Once the weight-loss stops you'll have to cut down portions, but until then enjoy feeling full every day and losing weight without any effort. I pigged out on carbs for years. Often ate three bowls of mashed potato with low fat gravy or three bowls of rice and veggies for supper.
>>67869237>Noooo my diet workks, nooooo!!! Just not in any practical sense!!! >Anyone who is not a CICOcuckold is anti science> mUh tHeRmOdYnAmIcS !!!!Meanwhile people who fast lose weight, reset their palate, beat their goyslop addiction and never yoyo back.But sure keep counting you calories in your gay little calculator you CICOcuck
>>67869695After years of searching i have found him....The Perfect Goyim
>>67867301Sure thing m8
>>67869695this is a good way to tank test and absorb no fat soluble vitamins
Someones angry he got made fun of in his vegan thread.
>>67869758You do understand you don't consume any calories at all when you're fasting, right?
>>67869814You do understand that a broken clock is right twice a day?
>>67869836WTF are you on about, my broken Fitbit is just black. Nigga fuck you
>>67868533I suspect that calorie restriction is nearly impossible to maintain unless your diet is already mostly free of processed foods for years. That's been my experience. I tried CICO many times and failed because of lack of ability to sustain. Now it's not even an effort. No will power involved. Or I magically developed God-tier will power overnight.
>>67869859Well it's a black (African American) clock. That's why it don't work, not even in the slightest
>>67869775That's unlikely because I don't eat the bugs. I don't eat the highly promoted beef, chicken, milk and eggs either. I wonder who could be behind this post...>>67869797The fear mongering is real. Years of doing this and I'm still waiting for the boogeyman to show up while everybody around me gets fatter and weaker.
im underweight but have done ket for more than a month a couple timesnever stuck on it more than 6 weeks because it sucks food wisebuti noticed:1. way better energy levels during the day 2. way better sleep3. skin and hair improved significantly lifting weights was fine on itcycling more than 10 miles fucking sucked
>>67869797Fat soluble vitamin mongering is invented by olive oil companies. Nobody died from eating low fat and not getting K or D before that became a meme 15 years ago
I have no idea what to believe in anymore.
>>67870435From my experience, no processed food, no sugar, no starchy carbs, and not eating constantly help. All the fad diets are an overcorrection to modern problems. Fasting has also helped me. But I'm not keto though. Just a guy.
>>67870114>cycling more than 10 miles fucking suckedmore potassium and sodium
>>67870435just eat whole foods you enjoy
>>67869517Cool story ketolard, still going to nuke my test with keto. Thanks reddut!
>>67870114Lying in the net is fun isn't it
>>67869695>three bowls of rice
>>67869695Kek where do you get your protein?
>>67870985How old are you
>>67870985Where do you get yours?This is a whole day with no egg/poultry/meat etc. I think I'm Doing just fine
>>67871268just some spazz dont mind it
>>67870985He >>67869695 gets it from søy
>>67867114you are fat
>>67868614Im not but ok.CISCO "doesn't work" because fatties and normies don't know how much they eat.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fastMost fatties who do cisco just straight up lie or don't "count" snacks and sodas.
>>67867279rice works for me, tried buckwheat but something about it doesn't absorb properly. I generally think most wheat is so genetically modified so it will always fuck with your body. Try to make sure there's as little ingredients as possible in your food/hygiene articles. If it's bloated with E265, E171 etc. - it ain't no good.
>weight is higher than i want>stop eating>weight is what i want>start eatingas much as I hate CICO posters, hunger is really just an illusion. drink salt water and watch the hunger come and go
Ketards actually think they can eat unlimited meat, butter and vegetable oil just because it doesn't have carbs. 1 gram of fat still has 9 calories. As for fasting fags, it is not a solution to long term health. You will eventually get a nutrient deficiency of some kind. Useless for those who are already at healthy a bmi. Track CI by weighing your food, and CO with a step-counting app (with proper height/weight inputs). You will be accurate 98% of the time.
>>67872172everyone who doesn't take supplements has a nutritional deficiency, at the very least iodine deficiency
>>67872180Nobody has an iodine deficiency. Its in salt.
>>67872216it's not enough to prevent deficiency
>>6787218099% of "deficiencies" dont matter or affect your health
>>67872241Gef a life bro
>>67871592It doesn't work for a much more fundamental reason.Even when they lose some weight by dieting, once they stop, they gain all the weight back and more.Why? Because CICOcuckoldry lowers your metabolism. So once you go back to eating "maintenance", you actually start to pack on weight.You have to be a literal cuckold or a Jew to support dieting via calorie counting.
>>67872248>Gef a life broget some pills nigga
>>67872252>I only diet by defying the laws of nature and physics, not by the only proven method!
>>67872252>eating at maintenance makes you gain weight after you lose itThats not how math works buddy
>>67867141>he hasn’t taken the photosynthesis pill yet
>>67872252Except it works literally every time
>>67867141ideal diet is eat what you like when you're at target weight and stop eating when you're above target weightavoid mercury-tainted seed oil goyslop and take supplementssourcehttps://www.ocl-journal.org/articles/ocl/full_html/2014/01/ocl130041/ocl130041.htmlhttps://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=6737069&page=1https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28482296/
>>67867279This nigger doesn’t know what a complex carb is point and laugh
>>67872172Midwit detected.Fasting actually prolongs your life.Nigger, why do you talk on topics you have no fucking clue about? Step counting app??!!! Accurate????!!! Gay little calorie calculator???Get the fuck out of here you gimmicky faggy "i fucking love science" consumer retard.
>>67872331Except you're talking out of your ass and you are literally a faggot
>>67872290What is "metabolic rate", buddy? And how does calorie restriction affect it?
>>67872391>if I only eat 200 calories a day my body will only burn 200
>>67872379It's the only one your reply deserves.
>>67868533Cico is just math and thermodynamics. You can’t make caloric energy out of thin air. Spend more calories than you consume and by all law of physics and common sense you WILL lose weight. Anyone who disagrees is either not counting calories gained/spent correctly or is a fat delusional loser.
if you seriously can't fastlike you actually tried and can't fastthen that's the problemdrink water with salt in itafter a few days when you get the hang of it, you can start adding chicken or beef bouillon and negligible macro stuff like celery, radishes, lettuceliterally practice not eating. if christians can do it so can you
>>67872408Shame. You should have joined the debate team. You'd have dominated. Who needs facts and reason when you can just call someone a faggot right
>>67872422What facts and reason have YOU brought to the table you enormous cocksucker.You're such a fucking retard that the depths of your own retardation blissfully escape you.
>>67867114The low carb meme will exist for as long as ketosis has a mild anticonvulsant/impulse-suppression effect (which it has to the point that it used to be (is?) a treatment for epilepsy) and there is zero attempt to genuinely treat epidemic binge eating disorder.So pretty much forever.
>>67872410just cut one meal out, you don't have to go full on in like a crazy person every time.that's what I did.would skip lunch.would skip dinner.eventually i'd skip lunch one day and breakfast the next day.eventually i'd just skip breakfast and lunch.given a long enough sequence eventually a day where i skip all meals came across.
>>67872451Idk the universally accepted scientifically documented laws of mass and energy idk
>>67872410Not to mention the vast variety of gains fasting gives you. Fast just 24 hours you will feel like a new person.
Is keto the reason I am gay?
>>67872451I concede my point. You have won the argument. Energy cannot be documented or limited, lest the whole apparatus cease to function entirely because all energy is equally balanced and loss of energy can only happen if you aren't measuring it. You win.
>>67872464So keto has an effect on epilepsy just like every other starvation diet, thus retards and redditors will defend it?Cool story nigger, you're a retard.
>>67867588[x] not funny[x] mostly straw man [x] never original [x] motivated by butt hurt[x] words words words tl;dr words
>>67867114>one man causing all this coping and seethingBased ketochad
>>67872409>MuH ThErMoDyNaMiCs>MuH MatHEmAtIcS>Look mom, i use big words on internet>It means im smart>Haha i fucking love science>Hahah bill nye!! Amirite??Shut the fuck up you low information, semimoron. What controls appetite? What is metabolic rate? How to reset the palate? Why does every CICOcuckold yoyo back to their original weight?
>>67872525Welcome to 4channel friend. Enjoy your first day!
>>67867304>Disregard opinions, embrace factsBut the facts point to keto.
>>67872471>>67872503Oh god another >mUh tHeRMOdyNaMiCs brainletThis is for you: >>67872532
>>67872532yea, CICO posters never actually explain how to prevent calories inluckly the answer is simple, just take salt and drink water instead of eating. if that doesn't work (as in you can't fast) then you've been toxic metal poisoned by childhood vaccines or goyslophttps://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Data-Essential-Elements-Toxicity/dp/B01J6RZTLC/you can chelate with DMSA, calcium disodium EDTA, iodine, etc. and take zinc, selenium, magnesium, vitamin c, and any other supplement you wantthis also helps with the 'calories out' part of CICO. gotta fix the underlying issue causing your calories not going out the right way. should be going into ATP and not body fat
>>67872551facts and science unequivocally point to (((current thing)))
>>67868236>>because your basal metabolic rate depends on your caloric intake in the first place.That's still part of CICO, dumbass.
>>67872570I will have to try this then
>>67869775lord I kek'd hard. I love ya.
>>67870964Imagine my shock when I stopped the two extra bowls of rice and lost another ten pounds without doing anything else. >>67870985There's more than enough protein in oats, rice, lentils, beans, and potatoes for most people.
>>67867114came to add OP is a faggot
>>67870435Try a week of plain potato with only salt. Then eat one large sweet potato. You'll get high off that sweet potato. It was a mystical experience. Never been the same since. Mono diets can are a good way to temporarily shake things up.
>>67872473It's also a great way to get high without drugs. I never see this mentioned. It's like entering an altered state of mind.
>>67872513Leftists can't be funny because they are too hateful. Pol jokes about Jews are unironically done with friendlier humor.
>>67872677>▶>>>67872570>I will have to try this thenyou'd be better off putting the fork down you fat fuck.
>>67868533Wasted dubs on an obvidwous troll post
>>67872570I don’t understand. Isn’t keto basically CICO and macros without the obnoxious counting and weighing and moral balancing? Is OP mad because someone found and easier way of doing something?
>>67873093Penn lost his weight by fasting
>>67873645He started with a potato mono diet for a few weeks if I recall correctly.
>>67873633if keto works for you then good but it isn't scientific at all
>>67873682You could be right. I only remember him talking about fasting. And craving vegetables over doughnuts. I have never been on as prolonged a fast, so I have never had that epiphany.
>>67873738I haven't done any prolonged fast yet. Only intermittent fasting. The potato week really helped me though. It might have been my own personal turning point where everything "clicked" for me diet-wise.
>>67872532What is your diet based on if not science retard? Your own shitty ketobrain opinion. You have nothing to defend yourself with other than childish insults. You are a clown and most likely fatass.
Jesus the amount of kikes and bots ITT.I eat mainly beef, fish, pork, lamb,eggs and chicken. Cope harder vegan niggers go eat your soilent somewhere else
>>67867226milk sugar count as refined?
>>67873187Definitely. When I wake up after a day of fasting it’s like when you finish a meditation or take a small dose of acid and opioids. Totally blissful.
>>67873918Hello again Ketoschizo
>>67873517yeah thats the plan fatso
>>67867141The fact that people still dont know that a mediterranian type of diet is the best for longevity, absolutely baffels me. Its litterally the diet proven, in reaseerch, to be the best one for about 50+ years now.
>>67868533People who struggle with CICO are the same type of people who failed maths, cause they couldnt comprehend how letters can be introduced in mathsYou should team up with ketoschizo, to make an insane team of mental illness
>>67867689>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35443107/"Among patients with obesity, a regimen of time-restricted eating was not more beneficial with regard to reduction in body weight, body fat, or metabolic risk factors than daily calorie restriction."Fasting people are retarded, act like theyre superior, yet fasting is not superior, in any way
>>67873939asking because my usual protein drink has almost 20 fucking grams of milk sugar, and I can't buy powder sadly
>>67873633Op is mad because keto BTFO vegan lies they use to frighten people into eating plants.
>>67872511I’m not pro-keto moron.
>>67873918Based. Keep making vegturds seethe.
>>67873918that's fine but eating fresh bread on top of that isn't "unhealthy"
>>67874520Bread harmed ancient Egyptians. That's organic non-gmo ancient grain sourdough. Grains are harmful. Powdered grains (flour/bread) is extremely harmful.
I just advocate eating everythingCarniniggers and vegantrannies be damned why can't you retards just trend towards eating relatively healthy and lessThe true scotsman shit is getting irritating in both threads I hate you all
>>67874545It harmed them because they didn't have the tech to make it not full of rocks stop being disingenuous
>>67874713Not true. And it was sand not rocks
>>67874555I eat as much meat and eggs as I can stomach and my weight doesn't change
>>67874713They added sand on purpose to grind it better. But that's not what gave them fat tits and atherosclerosis. It's the carbs.
>>67874555one side is max nutrition (carnivore) the other side is max starvation (vegan)>>67874799based
>>67874785What do you think sand is?
>>67874805Ah yes, the fat buildup isn't from fat
>>67867141Just don't be a glutton desu, simple as
>>67867114Wish jannies would clean up these transgender threads
>>67867841It's literally impossible to gain weight on a keto carnivore fasting diet.
>>67867915>first source says there is no evidence linoleic acid causes inflammation>second says sat fat causes diabetes >third isn't a study to begin withThanks for playing.
>>67875549kys. I'm someone who thinks carnivore is the best human diet, but I gained like 5 kilos of fat on carnivore because of shitty advice by fanatics. A bunch of people have the same story>start zerocarb>hear "just eat ad libitum, if you overeat, it means you needed it">gain a ton of fatYou'll see the anecdotes if you open your eyes and realize you're in a cult
>>67868121Our ancestors ste meat for 2 million years. Good luck getting your calories from genetically unmodified pre-neolithic plants in the ice age
>>67869621So why aren't you posting body ?
>>67875599I don't think it's good to eat high fat and high carb at the same time like Salad Boy, but:- Beef is very similar to a fat-ass ruminant from the Ice Age.- Apples and oranges are very similar to tropical fruit our even older ancestors would eat https://deniseminger.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/
>>67875599They feasted on meat once or twice a week and chewed all kinds of random plants most of the time. They did not eat 500+ grams of fatty meat every single day alongside other crap to the side.
>>67867114>>67870435You are seriously considering the opinions of people that do not post bodies.
>>67872180Thanks for the pitch, wonder how humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years and achieved greater things than you will ever dream of without going to the pharmacy and buying synthetic vitamins that the body can't even process to begin with. Truly Dr. Shekelsteing humanity would be lost without the contribution of the pharmaceutical insustry.
>>67875664>You are seriously considering the opinions of people that do not post bodies.I showed you my body answer me
>>67867114Our ancestors were complete DYELs. I'll never understand the retards that desperately chase "muh traditional diet" and expect anything other than shitty gains and poor health.
>>67875594I bulked on carnivore omad, eating 3.5 calories every single day, omad, drank 2L of milk for sugar. I could not gain fat if i wanted to. I put 10+kg on and the only bodyfat difference i could notice in the mirror was my adonis belt was a bit more faded. I am speaking from experience.
>>67875757What's your point?
>>67875658 Pre-historic humans did not eat everyday, they fasted like every big game hunting carnivore. Also it's just a paleo-anthropological fact that we were super-carnivores. Pre-neolithic humans simply did not eat much else besides animals, because there was nothing else to eat unless you were a specialized herbivore. Fruits and plants that you think today are an easy and accessible part of your diet are modified by human selective breeding. Almost all of them would either not provide sufficient calories and/or would kill you back in the day.
>>67875693nice try kike
>>67875757>tells me i'm in a cult>tell him it's my actual experience and not regurgitated from others.Point is you're lying, as someone that forcefed himself this diet everyday to gain weight, i gained no fat and neither do i know anybody else that managed to get fat eating this. Maybe if you ate a TON of protein, went out of your way to eat more than you'd get just following carni. You'd have to force feed yourself protein in order to convert it into sugar and trigger insulin spikes which would lead to fat deposits, but even then how tf would you even eat the sheer amount of whole food required to reach that point.
>>67868533>90% of fatties who follow them just yoyo backThe “yo-yo” meme is so fucking retarded it makes my blood boil.>reach my target weight using cico>goal accomplished so diet’s over>return to old eating habits>wtf i’ve gained the weight back>cico made me do le yoyoFucking retarded fats.
>>67875926This is the complete opposite of my empirical experience so it's safe for me to disregard them completely. I would assume they're trying to lose weight and are noticing the fluid shifts.Again, i actually do the things we're talking about in this thread instead of arguing about it on the internet like 99% of the people on fit do, so there's no reason for me to believe some study or anon when i have produced the exact opposite of these results.Seethe and cope.
>>67867874>Inflammation went away.>Overgrowth of parasites fledYou have no metric for even thinking these happened
>>67876070>I can't possibly be an exception
>>67876070>This is the complete opposite of my empirical experienceFirst, note that I'm someone who thinks carnivore is the best diet for humans. You have a personal anecdote about not being able to gain fat on carnivore if you wanted to. They have TONS of anecdotes showing that it's possible to gain fat on strict carnivore. Yet you're sticking with the statement that one can't gain fat on carnivore if one tries to. Apparenty there is no point arguing with you, you're brainwashed. You're in the cult. It's like a religious fundamentalist. Me being a supporter of carnivore is actually the reason why I care so much. I don't want shit in my group. I want intelligent people, not clowns making us look like retards. Please have some humility and try to learn critical thinking
>>67875929this is the essence of failed diets. or they binge eat, cause they did a really retarded diet. but anti-CICO people cant fathom it. they think CICO is wrong cause its not 100% accurate, while promoting a model which is less accurate, with more flaws
>>67876087those two things are litterally the newest fads, online. and people fall for it, cause none of em got any clue. i just disregard anyone who brings up these points, unless theyre talking about inflammation in relevance to specific diseases.Theyre good litmus tests for retardation
>>67876070Let's use a little logic here.Let's say your right. You can't gain weight on carnivore, and carnivore is the optimal diet for humans. That means that our ancestors (who did not eat every day) could not gain weight no matter how much they ate. Think about this. Could the human race really have survived if they couldn't gain weight on their natural diet? Could the human race really have survived if, at best, you could only LOSE weight? Come on.
>>67876113>they think CICO is wrong cause its not 100% accurateThis is one of the main problems with many carnivore gurus like Bart Kay. They attack the strawman of "fat gain is 100% determined by calories eaten and calories used". The truth is that CICO is a useful model. Then they come with a model of fat loss based on insulin, the Randle cycle and/or metabolic water and say you can eat insane amounts of calories without getting fat on carnivore. And then you see pic related >>67875926
>>67876154yeah, the newest fad is to eat more to lose weight. its so god damn dumb, its absolutely astonishing
>>67876112>try to learn critical thinking>you should believe you can gain fat on carnivore when your experience and the experience of those you personally know is the oppositeNo, i don't think i will. You concern trolling by saying ur carni doesn't change anything.
>>67869152>coopted karens and fat lards thinking keto is an excuse to eat in a non well rounded and unhealthy manner defines the diet as a wholeWe get it demonizing is the way to feel superior so try a (you) instead neglected lil buddy
>>67876144Exactly. If we assume that periods of low food availability were common in our evolutionary history, then a human ancestor who could store the mammoth fat on his body better than others would get more descendants
>>67876169>your experience and the experience of those you personally know is the oppositeAnd literally hundreds of internet anecdotes are a conspiracy by the Jews? Just hang yourself and get off my board
>>67876144I said i bulked on carni, i did gain weight, but the fat was unnoticeable. Maybe if i guzzled more milk for sugar i could've.
>>67876176Thank you for agreeing anon. Good to see some people can use logic>>67876187Ok but you are wrong for the previously mentioned reasons
>>67867149Atkins is low carb, keto is very low carb, South Beach is low carb but also from Florida so probably a meme anyway, and paleo doesnt pertain to macros anyway so I dont know what your point is really.
>>67876198You know what his point is you just dont agree. Its All low carb in various forms because the previous iteration isn't marketable anymore. And it would be if it worked
>>67876184Yes, correct. You have no idea how many bots there are online. Just like the entirety of the scientific community is telling me the carnivore diet is the worst diet for a human being and i disregard it because i see their connections with the food industry, i see the manipulated studies, i see the opposite of what they say in my daily life, i see the opposite of what they say in ancestral human eating habits.You are correct, you, a keyboard warrior, can say nothing that will change my mind when what i have experienced is the opposite of what you claim to be true. And come to think of it, you not being as adamant as i am about my empirical experience tells me you're larping.
>>67876221yup, low carb diets have been touted as the messiah of diets for hundreds of years, just gets rebranded every now and then. And the idiots keeps falling for it.
>>67876195You constructed a strawman of me saying you couldn't gain weight, i never said this, so what reasons ?What i am talking about is that you're not gonna get fat eating carni, again, maybe if you drank more milk. This is the one thing i didn't test myself.
>>67876232>because i see their connections with the food industry, i see the manipulated studies, i see the opposite of what they say in my daily life, i see the opposite of what they say in ancestral human eating habits.Delutions of grandeur and severe paranoia. youre right, you are the warrior of truth, you see the truth were most people cant. you, with your competence is one of very few who can find the truth
>>67876261Its not a strawman. You need to be bale to gain fat to survive. You are saying that you gained no fat and yet weight increased. Do you think everyone just looked like Arnold and was gaining muscle for every excess calorie they ate? Do you even have a shred of an idea how the human body works?
>>67876232>tells me you're larpingAt least this lets me know personally that you're a low-IQ schizo
>>67876232Yeah all people who are against you are food industry fiends. All the nofap people are just Christians attacking big porn and the moon landing wasn't real, all the science is made up
>>67876277youre litterally making up how humans in the past ate, and completely disregard how humans, across the globe had wildly different diets.
>>67876289Actually, I think the guy rather believes the "pornfree fapping once a week" people are paid for by the Jews
>>67876298I'm not making anything up. This is common knowledge. How can babies grow if they cannot hold onto fat? Come on man.
>>67876274Begone agent of the anti-christ. The WHO recommends a vegan diet for pregnsnt women and infants, i hope you won't go against the science like a paranoid conspiracy theorist because i would very much take pleasure in knowing your progeny will be mslformed and likely die in early childhood.
>>67872266wash your hands
>>67876277I gained little fat, specifically enough to fade a bit of my adonis belt over the course of 10kg, but getting fat on carni, especially keto like the anon i was arguing with claimed he was, and those redditors, would be a monumental task. I will repeat this again. YOU LIKELY CAN GET FAT ON CARNI, BUT YOU NEED TONS OF LACTOSE.
>>67869437Some of us actually have willpower. I enjoy eating 100% clean, but hey, you do you, you fat fuck.
>>67873899>Wabalubaduuubduuuub!!!>Science, morty, SCIENCE!!! I posted my body ITT. Here: >>67867689Now post your transformation pics
>>67875929You're such a dumb gorilla nigger it makes my blood boil. >Restrict calories >Base Metabolic rate falls>Weight goal reached>Start eating 2000 kcal per day>Gain all the weight back>Noooo how could this bee??? I've spent months ruining my metabolism! Noooo this can't be happeningCICOcuckolds will defend this
>>67876474Now you are reaching. You have no evidence for your stupid lactose thing, and you are ignoring how the human body works and how people lived.
>>67868236>cico only works when you hit this arbitrary number I have no evidence forNon lifters subtract 500 cal per day and lose fat just fine. You are making things up to suit your opinions and preference
>>67876541Not how math or biology works buddy.
>>67867132Samefag. The guy on the right >>67867114 has a better body, more veninous and would be more sexually attractive to a woman than fat-muscle guy on left.
>>67876541>dont know that the basic metabolic adaption in weightloss is neglible, at best.you people cant really wrap your head around anythingno man, except midgets and bedridden people, gain weight on 2000kcals.
>>67867279simple carbs are for simpletons
this retard still talking about the yoyo effect like its the 90s lmao
>>67868533>90% of fatties who follow themIf fatties could follow diets they wouldn't be fatties you fucking mong.Stay hungry fatcels, don't let this retarded kikeposter gaslight you into giving up.
>>67876668Ah yes, because prehistoric refrigerators and supermarkets were a thing
>>67876662Fatties are fatties because they are addicted to goyslop. CICOcuckolds are the ones saying>Keep eating the slop>Keto eating every day>Noooo don't fast it's unhealthy>Just take a bite less each meal, it'll work i promise>It's tHeRmOdYnAmIcS>Keep punching those numbers into the gay little calorie calculator!>Nooo it's not a retarded faggy gimmick!!! It's state of the art!! It's SCIENCE! >What are you, anti-science????You're the kike. I Reject the Talmud, I reject goyslop, I reject CICOcuckoldry.
>>67876714we could preserve foods for months before refrigerators were even a thing. look ups chinese airtight and cooled ceramic vases.Salting and drying of meats(still practiced todayEarth cellarFermentationmost of these have been done for a long time. and if you actually watch tribes, in places where they dont have much contatct with any sociaties, youll see they eat every day. People were not dumb, they know how to get food.
>>67876613>Not how math or biology works buddy.
>>67876624Dunning kruger nigger. Look up minnesota starvation study
>>67876738not the guy youre talking to, but youre litterally putting words into his mouth, and just make up random arguments. you seem like the type of guy who sees someone at a gunrange and automatically think hes a trump suporter and a right wing gun nut.
>>67876748Excellent retort. I am wrong.
>>67876643They are all the same>>67876610They do nothing of counting calories down to the few hundreds they think they are. They wouldn't know how many calories they are actually using that's the whole fucking point. >>67876113If it's not 100 percent accurate then it's by definition incorrect holy FUCK. CICO people just need to take the loss. >>67876166 but when it works explain that... Maybe there are more factors at play then you'd like to admit
>>67876750>minnesota starvation study>an insane study not relevant to regular dieters.youre dumber than you think>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32386226/Metabolic adaptation was found after weight loss (-54 ± 105 kcal/d; P < 0.001)In overweight women, metabolic adaptation at the level of RMR is minimal when measurements are taken under conditions of weight stability and does not predict weight regain up to 2 years follow-upwhy do people like you always refer to insane, studies done 70+ years ago, when we got modern studies with better measurements, and better methodologies?
>>67876172>coopted karens and fat lards thinking keto is an excuse to eat in a non well rounded and unhealthy manner defines the diet as a wholebud, you just described 99% of keto fans though.no, seriously. while I don't see much point in keto, the "proper" keto is still miles better than the fat lard version of it. it actually has a part of a good diet in it—it stresses the importance of protein, FIBER, and vegetables.except that's not what fat people want. literally ALL they took from keto is:>"I will eat as much fat as I want! any restriction of calories = bad! carbs is what causes obesity! all carbs = bad! this is the extreme opposite of vegan diet, so it's good!"fatties took keto, twisted it, and made it into a perfect excuse to gorge down on fat, while pretending they're losing weight, and scapegoating carbs and fruit for all their problems. that's why they get so offended when someone tells them about eating less calories. fatties get intensely butthurt when told to eat less.
>>67876763>If it's not 100 percent accurate then it's by definition incorrect holy FUCK.what model is. youre clearly retarded if you think theres any model thats 100% accurate. just cause you got anxiety with a severe controll issue, does not mean a model has to be 100% accurate to work. Youd hate engineers who build and plan machines and infrastructure. they all use decent estimates.
>>67876752It's not random arguments. It's the whole point of CICO.CICO is supported by Jews because it keeps fatties addicted to goyslop. It is a bandaid solution that fixes none of the underlying problems of why fatties are fat and it sets you up for inevitable failure.Whether this guy knows he is a Jewish tool is irrelevant. He is.
>>67876810i wonder how people like you function in the real world. how do you go by with that paranoia. Theres no way youre a social person. everyone who ive met with those type of conspiracy theories(not all of them are bad) tend to drive everyone around them, away. Acting like they can see the truth, but cant even notice their own skid marks in their boxersi only see people like you online. Cause i doubt such a group of people really go outside, at all.
>>67876783Your study says participants regained on average 89% of their weight after 2 years lmao. None of them kept the weight off and some of them gained up to 143% of their weight back. If you choose to believe that not ONE of these women was motivated enough to keep the weight off and that the reason they gained more weight back is because they went back to old habits, habits which kept them at a lower weight than before then it is your right to be retarded>70 year old studiesI agree, cico cucks should move on and accept that the science has changed>extreme studyI have had long periods of time when i ate 0 calories everyday for long periods of time. Weird how i have none of the metabolic issues those men had eating 1.5k calories a day
>>67869302>>678671412nding the vertical dietits a bit restrictive but is a great backbone
>>67870435Just eat something balanced, moderate carbs, high protein and track calories.Rabid pro and anti-keto posters are just here for shitposting.
>>67876810>look, I cherrypicked a bad poster from half a century ago! this is literally how the government tells you to eat now! that's right! USDA literally tells people to gorge on sugar! USDA made people fat with carbs! >literally no one ever said that sugar is bad!!! no one!!! everyone shills white sugar—see my poster! >people come to McDs and continue to gorge on pasta, rice, bread and fruit! thanks USDA! >and butter is under attack from vegans! that's right!!! they want to suppress THE TRUTH!!!
>>67873633There are autistic keto spammers here who claim you can eat unlimited butter and cream and lose weight.
>>67876831We're more intelligent than you so we don't associate with you. Same way you'd wonder why you don't have any friends that do meth. Because they are beneath you and so you just don't hang out in those circles with them.It's the same with us, we have no interest in being friends with you outside of a mutually beneficial relationship because you simply have nothing of value to add to our lives. I mean, you can't even have a conversation outside of the confines of typical scripted pleasantries. What would i speak to you about ? The weather ? Politics ? Ideology ? History ? Philosophy ? What's the point, if i wanted to kbow what you think i'd just turn on the TV. You don't question anything, unless specificaly told to do so by an suthoritative body. You have no thoughts of your own, you are comoletely closed off to any new information that might shake your worldview. You don't even have hobbies, and if you do, you are inept and uninformed about them. I mean look at you, you're on a fitness board, obviously not knowing wtf ur talking about to anybody such as me that has practical experience with the things discussed.
>>67876831>multi billion dollar companies have no incentive to keep people addicted to their products
Vegan shills have become so unstable the only thing they can do anymore is post a badly photoshopped pic of baker as though it validates all their far-left pseudo science. Humans are primarily adapted to eating animals. Deal with it.
>>67877017Ultimate 90 IQ brainlet who thinks he's smart
>>67877017>we'reDidn't read further
>>67877006>>67877012Your turn discord trannies
>>67876927it wasnt about weight management it was about BMR adaption. i know this is difficult for you, but you shouldnt extrapolate data that the study wasnt intended for. But i dont expect anything less from anit-CICO people
>>67877017when you think so much about the jews... wouldnt that make you more mindcontrolled by the jews than anyone else. theyre litterally living rent free in your head
>>67877017>we have no interest in being friends with you outside of a mutually beneficial relationship because you simply have nothing of value to add to our lives. I mean, you can't even have a conversation outside of the confines of typical scripted pleasantries.ive never someone write in a way that clearly shows how antisocial they are, in a polite manner. This is the perfect example of writing i expect from a reddit moderator.
>>67877017>>67877171I actually googled your sentences cause i thought it was a copypasta
>>67877067this is disgusting wtf
>>67877179it is a copypasta from fit discord
>>67877067>have to suck in his stomach to hide his belly>need to lift his arms to hide his saggy tits, the way ugly porn models do
>>67877198that explains why i could find it, when i googled it
>>67877017> What's the point, if i wanted to kbow what you think i'd just turn on the TV. LMAO, what a Chad.NPCs seething in the replies
>>67877235You can't possibly think this looks impressive
>>67877235>so insecure he needs the validation of other men, on a random forum
>>67877240>>67877253Now post body
>>67877276Nobody even asked you to post body
>>67877276>So autistic he keeps posting even though no one wants to look at him
>>67877283Fiber gruel goy slop eaters BTFO'd irrevocably>>67877006>>67877012Post body >>67877301You won't, because you're an abomination and you know it, which is why you keep typing instead of posting body.God, this board went to shit.
>>67877351>keeps posting like the insecure guy he is>Doesnt realise only beta cucks post pictures on this boardalso funny how you think this board went to shit. its always been shit. it was shit last time i visited /fit/ too, 10 years ago.
>>67877276You should cut
>>67877017Super based post.