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Why does telling people you are on a keto/carnivore diet make almost everyone (online and IRL) uncontrollably seethe?
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if you thought stomach goblins are ridiculous, wait until you find out about carb demons. people are literally possessed.
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It's a childish diet
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>>67300383
Because it is a retarded diet pushed by fat idiots and skinny bitches. You need a healthy balance of protein, carbs and fats. If you're not getting the right amount you will either be low energy, low T or both. You should be careful not to have too much fat or too much carbs but low fat and low carb diets are stupid and unsustainable. You will fuck up your body in the long term.
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Who knows
You should really just do whatever you want
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It's the Ring Theory of Diet. Keto is the mirror of Vegan. And as we all know, vegans are fucking insufferable. Well--speaking as a dedicated ketofag--so are we.
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>>67300512
>muh balanced d-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvjdgjCORfE
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>>67300512
Low fat causes low T
Low carb doesn't cause anything
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>>67300383
Lack of knowledge or education so they just sit down and listen to what """dieticians""" and government sanctioned """health""" studies say. People think that living in our modern society of processed/high carb diets is somehow natural. They're sugar addicts because their hormonal balance is completely out of whack thanks to their fucked up insulin sensitivity and so they react as any addict would when presented with a more natural diet. Keto and/or fasting is necessary for carb addicts to help their body to become metabolically flexible like it should be and capable of efficiently operating on both high fat and high carb diets when the situation calls for it.
Luckily, things are changing as fasting and the science behind ketosis enters the public consciousness. If you are reading this, chances are you are a carb addict and your diet is not healthy. Go on a dopamine fast, or a prolonged water fast, or keto for a month, and see just how fucked up your withdrawal response is. You're probably too scared to try it though because you think the human body is so weak that it can't survive without food for a month, or you're an addict in denial.
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why do you feel the need to announce your retardation
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>>67300679
I'm never announcing my diet (except here I guess). But people will inevitably ask
>go to greek restaurant with colleagues for some stupid after-work event
>order gyros without any sides (rice/potatoes)
>every single one of them goes apeshit and asks me why
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>>67300586
Post body
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>>67300383
It's like not getting the jab. A rejection of globohomo.
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>temporarily staying with family while working with real estate agents to find & buy 1st house
>family is obese. mother loves to cook.
>be me, eating carnivore diet
>eating smoked brisket for breakfast lunch snacks and dinner
>get attacked during every meal within eyesight of mother
>at least one argument/fight a day over it
>today's argument/attack:
>eating smoked meats every day will cause cancer!
>google it, do some research
>there isn't an undisputed link
>cooking meat above 300 has the "stronger" "link"
>smoking at 225
>smoke from fat drippings can apparently contain carcinogens
>however this causing cancer is disputed too
>animal studies involved exposing animals to thousands of times what a human would eat
>in the end it's all unconfirmed and disputed
>parents don't care
>"you shouldn't eat so much smoked meat, you should grill more"
>meanwhile
>practically everything causes cancer, including not exercising and being fat
>be me, be a /fit/ poster, exercise daily
>cardio, resistance training, the works
>so tired of arguing with peoples' "common sense"
I can't wait to buy my first home so I can live my life undisturbed
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>>67300383
Because everyone on /fit/ hates the ketoschizo.
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>>67302270
Are there any studies/research on humans eating a carnivore diet?
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>>67302517
>Are there any studies/research
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>>67302549
eating cyanide makes your dick grow bigger.
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>>67302517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLF29w6YqXs
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>>67302671
This is not a study or research.
Are you the person whom I quoted?
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>>67302517
Yes
http://www.comby.org/documents/documents_in_english/stefansson-diet-adventures.htm
https://www.amazon.com/Fat-Land-Vilhjalmur-Stefansson/dp/B0000CJQEU
https://justmeat.co/
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>>67302896
Also not a study or research
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>>67300383
It doesn't make everyone seethe.

Online you'll find a few people who will get into an argument with you, not because of the diet, but because the internet has broken their brains to the point where endless arguments with strangers is the only way they still feel feelings.

IRL, you will hear the following: "Oh, cool. I could never do that but sounds interesting. I gotta run."
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>>67302911
https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894
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>>67302691
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32833688/
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>>67300383
Fruits have neurotoxins that trick animals into consuming them so they’ll shit out the seeds(after getting the shits from the fiber and toxins) and help them spread more. It’s kind of like how toxoplasmosis in cat shit tricks mice into getting eaten by cats, thus spreading more toxoplasmosis as the cats shit out the parasite it got from the infected rat.
When you tell people you don’t eat much/any plants their damaged brains trigger a flight or flight response and they go into a seethe. They’re unwitting slaves to their plant overlords.
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>>67300512
>skinny bitche
I legit cant remember seeing any skinny bitches on keto, pic reminder what a skinny woman looks like. you get 10 mins to find one like that with any keto hashtags from insta that you can think of go go go
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>>67302963
14 months is too short a time to come to any conclusion on a diet. You'd probably get the same results with almost any diet .
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>>67300383
I look down on anyone who tells me they're on any kind of fad or crash diet. "Diet" is not a temporary thing. It's a lifestyle choice, and people who think they're going to eat differently for a bit then go right back to stuffing their retarded mouths with awful shit are low IQ subhumans and deserve to be ridiculed.
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>>67302978
I don't understand. The summary doesn't actually says anything. Where's the answer to the question in the title?
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>>67303009
That's your opinion. Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet? And if we're throwing around opinions, my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations. For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
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>>67302896
that guy was fucking fat tho
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>>67303055
he doesn't look fat, just ugly.
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>>67300544
Keto and vegan aren’t related at all.
Ketogenic diet came about as a treatment for epilepsy. It sort of brute forces your body into a fasting mode and that for whatever reason can prevent seizures in epileptics.
Veganism is just a religious cult. Plenty of religions have this concept of abstaining from animal products as a form of asceticism, either for a period, or long term if you’re a monk or something. Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing. That’s why vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
you’ll never hear a keto fag say they do it cause it’s morally righteous.
Carnivores are inverse vegans. Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan. They’re the Sabatean-Frankists to the vegan movement.
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>>67303049
Are you the person in this post
>>67302270
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I am cutting right now and all i eat is around 250g worth of protein in lean meat.
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>>67303078
>Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan.
The fact that most carnivore dieters used to be vegans is a massive red flag.
Mentally ill weirdos jumping from one extremist exclusionary diet to another.
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>>67303049
>Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet?
I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that.
>my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations.
That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof?
>For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
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>>67303097
Lol enjoy your kidney problems fatso
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I haven’t fucked a chick who wasn’t obese in so long bros oh god oh please I do
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>>67303118
It’s because this is the direction that western Protestantism went to try and distance itself from Roman rule.
It became about intense extreme belief as opposed to “good works”. Under most forms of protestantism you can only be saved by having a radical mindset. The post Christian world order has inherited this tendency towards extremism.
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>>67300383
Why are you telling everyone about your eating disorders?
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>>67300383
It doesn't. I don't think anybody cares about ketoers except vegans apparently. But vegans are an actual death cult so I'd rather be with the ketos. Why can't people just eat normal?
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>>67303172
>I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that.
I don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide
>That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof?
The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people. Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof"
>What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
Yes. Because those European doctors thought he'd keel over and die within three weeks. That's a drastic hypothesis. And after three weeks, Vilhjalmur didn't even appear slightly sickly. If one is to make a claim that another is going to keel over and die within three weeks, then that claim looks pretty debunked when rather than keeling over and dying, the patient is healthy as ever with no ill symptoms at all.
See it'd be one thing if the European doctors claimed that in three weeks, Vilhjalmur's V02 max would decline by one percent. That'd be such a tiny change that it'd be nearly impossible to prove, since it'd be nearly impossible to separate daily and weekly variations due to other natural causes, from the diet itself. That's an example of a not-drastic, not-severe claim. But the doctors, and carnivore antagonists, say carnivore will killlllll youuuuu reeeee.... So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
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>>67303118
>trying things is bad
Do you have a source on that?
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I notice that most ketolards write like retards.
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>>67300715
This, I never fucking bring up my diet, but people lose their shit when they realize I'm not "eatin' my greens". They're brainwashed idiots who've never actually experimented.

I always tell them "I don't argue about diet. The food is there, you can try it yourself and await the results". There's literally no reason to have study battles about this crap. Just eat and see how you feel.
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>>67300586
It causes high cortisol and estrogen.
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>>67303428
nobody seems to like my writing style either, even though I'm a carnivoretard, not a ketotard
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>>67303362
>don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide
The only way for any diet to kill is if you ate something poisonous.
Of course, if you ate like shit and after a few decades, you get heart disease or high blood pressure, then is that diet suicidal? But then even the worst diet you could think of, would only kill you after decades. So why are you so sure carnivore won't ?
And really, that is just 1 very small part of diet, whether or not it would kill you, whether quickly or slowly.
>The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people.
That wasn't my claim but ok. So it doesn't kill people. But what's its effect on let's say, intelligence? Or it's effect on athletic ability? Or it's effect on moods? Or it's effect on longevity? Or hairloss? Or heart disease? Like I said, just because a diet doesn't kill you, doesn't mean it's a good diet.
>Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof"
Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
>So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
So it makes those doctors look ridiculous. So what? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that those doctors were made to look ridiculous? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that it won't give you scurvy after a few weeks?

And are you this person >>67302270
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>>67302517
Try 2 million years of our ancestry, high stomach acidity in humans, our natural entry into the state of ketosis after days without food which wouldn't make any sense if all we had to do was pick fruits and shit off the floor, and our front and canine teeth.
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>>67303078
>Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing.
Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian named Donald Watson in 1944 as British Vegan Society.

>vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
No lies there.
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>>67303726
Show study/research.
Are you the person I quoted?
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>>67303747
Don't bother, all they have is random talking points and old fad diet books they mistake as accurate documentaries and research. Like the retard you answered to? Look at those talking points, he is so delusional he believes our teeth are those of a carnivore.
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>>67303773
I don't actually require any study or research.
But I wanted to ask that person I quoted because he needed proof from studies to believe his mother's advice. So I was wondering if the carnivore diet he's eating, whether it has any studies done on it. And if there isn't, why he is following it.
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>>67300512
>le "balance" means middle of the road on everything
Classic woman-brained thinking based on emotional valence of words rather than factual merit. Bet you're terrified of going 5 hours without a meal, either.
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>>67303773
>all they have
What do you have? Epidemiology? Totally worthless.
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>>67303773
It's a sad state of affairs when people disregard biology and anthropology in favor of demanding to be told what is true or not. People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition. Who do you think sponsors studies that you desperate crave for validation? Why are there seed oils and sugars in so many refined breads and carbs that you all think are so essential to the human diet, when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables? Get fucking real and grow a brain.
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>>67303841
The entire nutrition science stack against your silly little caveman larp. You can dismiss epidemiology if you want to if it makes you feel any better.

>>67303878
Oh yes, epidemiology is worthless because you insist it's inaccurate, but anthropology is totally accurate. Too bad even it doesn't support your fantasies.
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>>67303878
>People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition.
When was this low fat craze you speak of?
>when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables
Which part of human history are you talking about? There's millions years of it.
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>>67303910
>nutrition science
>caveman larp
Okay retard
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519257/
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>>67303203
>fatso
Project harder fat fuck. I have veins on my abs as we speak and i eat over 300g of protein in total when i'm bulking.
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>>67303910
>science
>epidemiology
Pick one.
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>>67302931
This, they are on par with Vegans.
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>>67300383
I have no idea. Going low carb worked great for me. I ate less than 50g for a few months, and then less than 100g for a while after that. I also fasted a lot. Keto works in my opinion. It's just that I love things like toast and bread too much. Otherwise, I'd still be doing it. However, a lot of the benefits of the keto diet may just be eating cleaner overall. A lot of carby foods have shit in them you wouldn't believe.
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>>67303978
Yup. It's a caveman larp okay.

>>67304001
Your brain is malfunctioning, I told you to dismiss it if you want to.

>>67303994
Post body.
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>>67304079
>I told you to dismiss it if you want to.
Ok, and with that I've dismissed all diet "science".
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>>67304108
No you haven't. Imbecile.
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>>67304120
Yeah, I have. There is no diet science.
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>>67300383
Because it means you're a sheep that will believe anything it reads online.
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>>67304141
Yup. I knew how this goes with you idiots. You always end up dismissing all of it and then continue caveman larp. It's so desperate and stupid.
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>>67304193
>*doesn't even try to prove me wrong, because I'm right*
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>>67300383
Which kind convo is mote likely to happen at the dinner table

"hey OP why arent there any potatoes and veggies with your steak?"

Or

"Look at me! Im only eating steak, no veggies or potatoes! Look at me!"

Its the same reason people hate vegans, paleo and crossfitters. You faggots have to announce your latest fad to everyone even when not asked.
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>>67304232
>"hey OP why arent there any potatoes and veggies with your steak?"
This one.
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>>67300383
I want to try out a keto diet just to experience what ketosis is like for a few weeks, however I'm worried about a few things:
- I've read that the body is more likely to store ingested fat as body fat, rather than converting carbs into fat. Is that just a myth?
- Will the thermogenic effect from carbs be reduced?
- Is my strength while training going to noticeably suffer?
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>>67304225
I can't prove you wrong because your debate position is that there is no nutrition science and if there is all of it is fake and you will die on that hill no matter what. Your whole larp depends on it.
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>>67304266
Cope. You're pretending I'll dismiss legitimate science so you don't have to come up with any. It's no coincidence that I call out epidemiology as not being science, and then you have nothing to post.
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>>67303731
Veganism stems from Seventh Day Adventists in the USA and their prophet Ellen G White.
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>>67304303
Define "legitimate science" as accurately as your peabrain is capable of doing.
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>>67304346
You shouldn't need me to tell you what the scientific method is.
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>>67304251
No, never unless its another diet cuktist wanting to use it as a pretext to talk about their diet cult.

No one normal cares. I have eaten a salad with canned sqardines for lunch for the last 3 months. Canned sardines are unusual for most people and Ive been asked about it zero times.
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>>67304428
No no no, in your own words. Go ahead.
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>>67304452
That's because you stink from tinned fish. Nobody wants to sit next to you.
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>>67304452
My own life experience trumps your limited imagination. People think vegetables are important.
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>>67304473
We both know what the scientific method is, dipshit. Stop wasting time and post some science.
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>>67304488
Rising obesity levels say otherwise
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>>67304487
Thats an added plus given 95% of humanity is painfully retarded.
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>>67304512
>eating a salad drenched in ranch dressing won't make you fat
Ok retard
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>>67304502
You can't define "legitimate science"? Or you won't because the moment you do you know I can post some random paper fitting your criteria?
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>>67304524
Even the intelligent ones won't sit next to you.
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>>67304542
You'll never post anything because you have nothing. I've made it clear what I accept as science, and it's the same thing everyone who knows what science is accepts as science: anything conforming to the scientific method posted above. Post the science now or I accept your defeat..
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>>67300383
It's the anti-fad.
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>>67304550
Missing out in the 5 is worth avoiding the 95. More than likely its missing out on the 1. I live in an urban vote blue no matter who shithole.
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>>67304578
I said you have to define it in your own words but you won't for the obvious reasons. You're not clever.
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>>67304623
I accept your defeat.
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>>67304641
Debates don't work like that. You keep refusing to tell what is "legitimate science" in your own words. Or you are unable to do so due to mental deficiencies. Either way, despite not telling what is "legitimate science", you ignore the whole nutrition science as fake a priori.

I am certain at this point that you know you can't win if you set the parameters you can't weasel out of it as usual. That means you already know that you are bullshitting people with your carnivore fad. Which raises the question why are you doing it anyways if you already know it's wrong?
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Honest to god, I only did a proper low-carb diet for 4 months in 2017. Lost 11 kilos (in 2 months, then stabilized to my proper body weight) and was very happy to tell everyone about it.

Then did it like one month in 2018, some weeks every other month in 2019 and forgot about it during the Plandemic.

Still I got insane reactions from people telling me I was about to die at any second now.
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>>67304958
this lol
>drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and eat 3000 calories of processed flour and industrial sneed oils a day
>completely normal and healthy lifestyle

>eat meat and vegetables, say "no thanks" when offered pasta or bread
>everyone loses their shit, don't you know that is UNHEALTHY ANON OH MY GOD YOU'RE GONNA DIE
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>>67305011
What's your diet like?
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>>67305113
Usually black coffee, eggs + bacon for breakfast, sometimes only eggs when I'm lazy or late for work
On weekends I sometimes eat 40% quark, too
For dinner, fatty fish, ground beef, lamb, porkchops, chicken or steak, often combined with more eggs, sometimes combined with broiled broccoli.
If my butcher has it, I get as much game meat (deer, elk, etc.) as possible.
If I feel the need for a nightcap, I usually eat cheese.
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>>67305189
Do you eat a lot of fat? Vegetable?
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>>67305189
How much quark do you usually eat? When I look at the label it says almost 5 g of carbs, so eating the entire pack would already take me to to almost 20 g. I still want to have some room for vegetables too, so I just eat cottage cheese instead.
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>>67305241
>Do you eat a lot of fat?
Yes
>Vegetable?
I try to keep below 20-30g of carbs, so not a whole lot, but most days I manage to squeeze in 200-300g of broccoli as I said
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>>67305258
Mine says 4g but yeah it's definitely on the high side. I never eat the entire pack, only 100-200g, exactly to leave room for some veggies
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>>67303832
>>67300512
>someone comes up with a new diet of eating your own shit
>well eating ONLY shit is bad but you should eat just a little shit for the balance
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>>67300383
>be me
>million years of sunligt diet
>became carnivore in the end
>pic related
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>>67300586
T. Dyel
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>>67306558
>>67303832
>>67303007
>>67300586
Post body
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>>67300383
Keto retards think eating sticks of butter and sardines is going to get them jacked, reality is, they become deathly ill and their organs start failing from just the sodium intake alone, we are omnivores, our bodies are made to be omnivores, if you aren't seeing gains from a NORMAL, balanced diet than you are either not training enough or aren't sleeping enough or both.
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>>67303832
Right, the carnivore dopes were all swayed by facts & logic, and not the idea that they're viking cavemen RETVRNING TO NATVRE and screeching about "goyslop"
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>>67307331
They're woman-brained too. The bottom line is, you absolutely need fat, you need protein, and you don't really need carbs if you get enough of the other two but they serve their function as well. You eat to fit your circumstances and your goals - that's all that matters.
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>>67307088
fug you got me there, I'm still DYEL, however you really should post body when you ask someone else to do it, so you haven't completely won
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>>67304538
You know damned well people arent eating salads
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>>67303731
>Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian
Big if true. It makes sense why they resemble a cult and have such zealots among their ranks.
>Being human is original sin because you have to kill to live.
>You decrease sin by eating only vegetation, for some reason.
>Everyone who does not do this is a grave sinner and must be given the gospel which you spread
>If they do not listen then they are evil which justifies your misanthropic hatred of humans
>You lose all compassion for humanity as people are divided into "holy vegans" and "evil sinners"
>you are encouraged to abandon your friends and family for the cause, because they're sinners and you can only come back to them to spread the gospel or criticize their sins
>Church of Veganism programming is broadcast in films on netflix and such, this becomes the sacred texts
>anyone who disagrees is a heretic. Those who leave the church of veganism are shunned by their community
>Vegan priests debate among themselves about what is and isn't vegan ie is honey vegan?
>Plant worship is abound, the holy sacraments cure every disease ever and any and all ailments and if you do it enough turns you into a god or at least a demigod
>the purpose of the cult is to spread veganism as far and wide as possible so that everyone may be saved
>because without veganism you die, your family dies, the PLANET dies
>R-Amen
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>>67302289
Based
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>>67303832
>i'm hungry but i will not eat, nay my brain is superior to millions of years of evolution because...idk saw a yt video from a clear fraud
jesus christ,amigos why is there so much disinformation?
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>>67300715
why can't you just lie and say you don't like rice/potatoes? make up some excuse like a potato farmer shoved a rice stalk up your pp when you were a kid.
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>>67309667
Typically people would eat about one meal a day. As we started an agrarian lifestyle in europe a lot of the workers would eat something in the morning and then something at noon. Then three meals a day became fashionable at some point in the 18th century. A lot of artisans and artists, as well as royalty, ate one meal a day. Beethoven for instance skipped breakfast every morning. If you don't eat, your body just uses other stuff, usually fat. And you don't feel hungry.
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(((everyone)))
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>>67302896
>fat guy giving advice on how to lose weight

Hmm, where have we seen this before?
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>>67303231
High IQ take
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>>67300383
>dieting
You sound like a woman, that is probably why you are getting humiliated in public.



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