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Jordan Peterson said that people overestimate what they can do in a year but underestimate what they can do in 5 years. I thought, perhaps that applies to lifting as well.
I've been lifting seriously for about a year but am struggling just to add 5 lbs to most of my major lifts, with the only exception being seated leg curls which I've been killing for some reason.
So for any experienced natty lifters here (be honest), how much progress were you able to make in 1 year and 5 years?
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>>67293681
Jordan Peterson also said clams are what we should act like so you probably shouldn't listen to him for advice
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>>67293681
A) JP is a retarded junkie
B) JP is not /fit/ or /fit/ related
C) That quote is attributed to like five different people and is basically and old wives’ saying
D) It’s ten years not five
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>>67293737
/thread
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>>67293681
Clean your room then come back here faggot
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Is he Michael Jordan's brother?
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>>67293726
clean ur penis sir
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>>67293681
God this fucking idiot again. Amazing people still listen to him and his retard daughter.
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>>67293846
You're right. We should instead listen to dead meatheads like Rich Piana.
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>>67293726
>>67293737
>>67293743
>>67293751
>>67293835
>>67293846
You demotivational faggots need a life lol, ever try lifting?
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It was his keto diet that turned him braindead.
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>>67293681
>Jordan Peterson said
Stopped reading there
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Why does he make trannies so mad? I stopped caring about him years ago but they're still going strong
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>>67294181
The same reason everything makes lefties mad. They took an issue completely out of context and seethed over it. JP expressed his distaste for a Canadian law that would force people to use one's "preferred pronouns" and the LGBT community had a predictable and stupid kneejerk reaction.
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>>67293737
>B) JP is not /fit/ or /fit/ related

well, he advocates weightlifting, so...
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>>67293681
why would this man be part of anyone's fitness world he looks exactly like the book nerd that he is
>>67294269
>he advocates weightlifting
like his 'clean you room' fortune cookie advice and the whole 'addiction isn't real' thing he fails at actually practicing what he preaches
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>>67293681
In 5 years I went from a 95lb bench press to somewhere around 365lbs. I made comparable progress on my other lifts too.
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zyzz > jordan peterson > moreplatesmoredates
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>>67294181
He took issue with the government in canada compelling speech through legislation. Trannies took this as him refusing to call a tranny xir.

What i don't get about the pronoun shit is it's only applicable to third person pronouns. In other words, how you refer to someone when they aren't present generally. So, in reality, this hill trannies want to die on is only relevant when they aren't present.
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>>67293959
Saying Jordan Peterson is a Christian conservative shill and a moron is not demotivational. Unless you're Jordan Peterson, in which case fuck you lol
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>>67293726
When did he say that? Got the vid?
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>>67294242
>expressed his distaste for a Canadian law
>>67294933
>took issue with the government in canada compelling speech
That isn't what C-16 does. He just lied about the bill to anyone who would listen. It passed, literally nothing here changed. No one's ever been arrested for misgendering. It was entirely a publicity stunt to launch him into the "Intellectual Dark Web" grift. And it worked for some reason.
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>>67295073
He's not Christion lol.
Also hating on Christians was cool like a decade ago but now it's just cringe. Touch grass anon.
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>>67295097
This is his first of "12 Rules for Life". Anyone who has said they read this book and found it meaningful is either lying and didn't read it, or still thinks Harry Potter is the greatest work of fiction ever written.
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>>67293846
I don't listen to his daughter, she has absolutely nothing to show for except for being his daughter.

As for him, I actually respect him for explaining what the bible is about. It's ironic and sad that I did not have even a vague idea what the book is about after having grown up in a Catholic country. I think most of my peers learned nothing about the book because they laugh at it and despise it. JBP showed me why the book hasn't been forgotten for 2k years and is a foundational text of our western culture.

I am not religious.

P.s. I also respect him for being open minded and having the courage to stand up to communists and totalitarians. However, that doesn't mean I am looking for him to become my daddy, I have a father already.
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>>67295073
>people overestimate what they can do in a year but underestimate what they can do in 5 years. I thought, perhaps that applies to lifting as well.
>talk about JP instead
It’s absolutely demotivational and cucked
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>>67295113
>No one's ever been arrested for misgendering.
Give it some time. Already happened in the UK.
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>>67295143
https://youtu.be/UKG4_psaC9k?t=43
He pushes christian conservative values and acts like he believes in god. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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>>67295183
Is the UK the same as Canada? Do they have the same laws? Was it in the UK that JP was talking about legislation? No? So why the fuck does it matter what the Brits are doing? I don't want my country to be anything like theirs.
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>>67293681
Wash ur peenus lol
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>>67295185
What do you think it means to "act like God exists?" I think it's clear he's referring to morality. In other words, he doesn't rape, steal, murder, etc. If having good morals automatically makes you a Christian by your definition then you're parroting a strawman atheists have been using for decades.

Also what Christian do you know who ACTUALLY talks like this about God? A Christian has no good reason to be so cryptic about his faith.
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>>67295146
He talks about the lobsters to explicate about evolutionary psychology and the biological roots of Hierarchy as a ubiquitous fact of life. Not to say we should "act like clams". You would know this if you had actually read the book. And I hope to God you didn't actually read it, because you're going to have a hard life if you're just that stupid or your reading comprehension really is that bad.
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>>67295199
>I don't want my country to be anything like theirs.
>elected Trudeau
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>>67293737
E) YWNBAW
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>>67293681
Everyone has their peak strength. Maybe you've hit yours if you're struggling to go up in weight. Time for a steroid cycle
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>>67293681
>I've been lifting seriously for about a year but am struggling just to add 5 lbs to most of my major lifts
STRUGGLING TO ADD 5 POUNDS TO YOUR LIFTS, OVER A YEAR? did i interpet this right?
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>>67295282
Traditionalist conservatives hide their religious alignement all the time, because if they were open most people would recognize them as religious whackjobs. They don't say abortion is against God, they make an appeal to science about when life begins and argue that it's murder. They don't say being gay is against God, they say all teachers are groomers and it's a mental illness. Jordan Peterson doesn't say women don't belong in the workplace because God said they should be at home raising kids, he just heavily implies it while saying he doesn't know how to interact with women in a work environment.

He's larping as an outlaw professor to attract a younger crowd, he can't do that and also be outwardly Christian cause the kids wouldn't listen to him on Joe Rogan anymore.
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>>67295572
He delivered an entire lecture titled "Who Dares Say He Believes in God?" where he goes into depth about the nuanced way he thinks about Faith and public pronouncements/attestations of it. On top of several different occasions in other talks in interviews where he's said different versions of, "I resist the question when it's asked because I know the asker is trying to fit me into a box and/or join their club, and I won't have it".

You won't listen to it though, I know. You're not a serious person with a serious problem with the man or the content of his ideas. You're just a faggot redditor with an axe to grind. And you should go back.
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>>67293681
Depends on how smart you are. If you just keep hammering the same lifts over and over for 5 years prepare to stall quickly and indefinately
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>>67293947
based
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>>67295362
You did not interpret this right, my bad. I'm saying I just recently hit a point where I'm struggling. I've made considerable progress in one year but plateaued out in the past few months.
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>>67293681
>How much progress did you make in 1 year
None, I haven't been consistent for a year.
I know that in a year I could lose all the weight I want and then gain some muscle. In 5 years of consistent lifting I could pretty much reach my final goal body I think.
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>>67295679
>I resist the question when it's asked because I know the asker is trying to fit me into a box
"I don't like answering questions because I know the asker is looking for a concrete answer about my position on something"

Yes Jordan, people ask you questions so that you answer them, and your answer informs their opinions. This is the brilliance of an intellectual powerhouse.
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>>67293846
JP has a lot good insight in spite of his personal problems. Could care less for his daughter though.
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>>67294181
He said people shouldn’t be forced by law to play along with their delusions and that was a bridge too far apparently. For all the hate he gets, he hit the nail on the head on that issue, one of the few in academia to speak up, and was ahead of his time.
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>>67294639
addiction ISN'T real in any scientific sense. It's more of a cultural concept.
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>>67295113
>This insane leftist thing isn't happening and it's not a big deal and it's a good thing
Kys
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>>67295572
Detective retard here has it all figured out
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>>67296733
C16 isn't about fucking pronouns, you absolute moron. It means you can't do hate crimes to people because of their gender. Misgendering is not a hate crime.
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>>67296990
What is a "hate crime"? Wasn't commiting a "hate crime" already illegal? Do you seriously not think "misgendering” will become a hate crime?
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>>67293681
>Jordan Peterson said that people overestimate what they can do in a year but underestimate what they can do in 5 years
lol that's a bill gates quote, fucking grifter
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>>67295765
Happened to me as well. I stopped working out nearly as hard for nearly 3 months then was able to hit higher weight once I began again. Look up deloading.
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>>67293681
that faggot is a dyel. actions not words nigger is what matters here. fuckoff to /pol/
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>>67293835
your sister licks the smegma out of my foreskin kike
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>>67295164
exactly this, all the HES A JUNKIE posters are pathetic
you dont need to worship the guy but to pretend he has nothing to offer is ridiculous
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>>67297031
A hate crime is a well defined thing in the Canadian criminal code. C-16 is about what constitutes an "identifiable group", you can see the definition at the bottom of the section. All C-16 did was add gender identity to the list of protected characteristics you can't advocate genocide or invite hatred towards. It didn't change any of the definitions of hate crimes. It isn't about pronouns.
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>>67296990
fuck me you really are a dunce, or just trying to win an argument like a retard
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>>67297257
And the other relevant section. To recap, you can't advocate for the genocide of transgender people, and you can't call for violence against them, in public, where such an action could lead to a breach of the peace.

But all this was too much for mister Jordan Peterson, who somehow looked at this and thought it was about pronouns.
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>>67294853
Good for you. I started lifting for the first time 5 years ago and then quit and came back and then did kettlebells and then dumbbells and I still can't bench 2 pl8
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>>67295146
Did you even read the text you posted..
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>giving a shit what Jordan Peterson said
Your brain is broken.
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>>67293681
>Jordan Peterson said
Stopped reading there. Kill yourself.
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>>67295146
>...particularly when you are feeling crabby—ha ha)

Wow this guy is so funny and inspiring!?!
Pleas sir where to find more sirs?
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>>67293681
Jordan Peterson also managed to get addicted to benzos and loose an argument to an immigrant with speech impediments
Not exactly someone I would trust
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>>67295143
He is Christian. He pretends not to be because a chunk of his followers are atheist neckbeards.

>"I live as if the Christian god exists hmm but I totally don't believe in him"
>his face when
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>>67295146
>>67293726
This is what happens when you are low IQ and try to make sense of the world
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>>67296615
>addiction ISN'T real in any scientific sense
Opiate withdrawals can literally kill you
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>>67295164
One time Mikhalia Peterson told a guest on her podcast that she was a huge fan of his, and he was like, "And I'm a huge fan of your father's." I just about died from the cringe.
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>>67298360
He also got off the meds, was also a teacher at Harvard, wrote several best selling books, worked as a psychologist for decades, did research in a lab, created multiple other companies, stay married to the same wife for all his life. Benched more then you and provided more value to the people close to him and the world on large then what you could have done in 100 life times.
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>>67293681
This doesnt apply to lifitng. You will get majority of your gains in the first few years on proper routine. If you stall you change up your routine but there is also good chance you have reached you genetic limit.
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>>67298385

That's great but withdrawal isn't addiction. You can die from food withdrawal, are you addicted to food?
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>>67297269
Room-cleaners btfo
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>>67293681
>struggling just to add 5 lbs to most of my major lifts
maybe stop listening to JBP and get yourself some 2.5lb plates, retard.
>>67293959
>waah someone insulted my internet dad!
he's a fucking hack and you could do much better than the guy who wrote, what is essentially The Secret but for the Soi Right.
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>>67299406
I found the biblical series (up to the point i watched) pretty interesting desu
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>>67296990
what blows my mind is how much clout JBP got by misinterpreting Bill C-16. I actually thought I was missing something when he blew up in popularity (Psychology and Law background myself). Like, he was so wrong that lawyers across the country wrote an open letter explaining what the bill actually was. He even issued a full retraction of his statements a few years later.

The guy's a hack.
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>>67293726
find another site to sully, you evil coward
*cries*
*induces self into a coma*
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>>67299497
t. ranny
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>>67299516
>facts and logic
delivered
>internet dad
slandered
>anon
seething forever
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>>67293681
youre overthinking, just like thinking its valid to listen whatever hes saying sorry for my bad english but I hope Jordan Peterson dies of overdose
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>>67299557
Heh, faithless fool... my posting is beyond your meager faculties...
>>67299499
>>67299516
Both me btw :^)
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>>67299497
Who cares, anything that hurts trannies is a great thing
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>>67295572
Your argument literally boils down to
>if they disagree with leftoids, they are secretly Christians
Take your meds, schizo. Stop grooming kids, learn to use a condom, and educate yourself on women entering the workplace and the negative effects it's had on both wages, and the dating sphere.
>inb4 off topic, incel, etc.
Shut the fuck up, you troon. No, I'm not a Christcuck. Go clean your room.
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Peterson is the epitome of "feels > reals". He doesn't make any arguments, he doesn't care about what's true, only about feels.
This guy lectures for 2 hours without saying anything substantial.
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>>67300168
Kinda like how you just shat out this post without saying anytging substantial.
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>>67300224
I've made more of an argument in that comment than Peterson does in entire "lectures".
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>>67300245
No.
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>>67300245
Another opinion. Give me the REALS, not your FEELS!
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>>67300310
I'm only giving you reals, everything I've said is a fact.
Watch any lecture of his and try to formalize any arguments he makes (your sheet will be empty).
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>>67300341
So you're saying self improvement andexercise is le bad?
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>>67293681
JP makes retards and troon retards seethe. He's not perfect but he does give some great advice.
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>>67300372
>Exercise makes me feel exhausted which does not feel good which is a miserable way of living your life which is why you shouldn't do it

- a petersonian argument
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>>67300410
He literally advocates lifting weights, trannoid.
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>>67300426
Well he shouldn't, I just proved why using one of his most popular "arguments" against postmodernism.
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>>67300444
No, you water down his message and remove all context then you use faggy circular logic to make it work for you. Clean your room, lift some weights.
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The man is basically the modern version of Ayn Rand.
>both wrote multi-page pop lit in academic prose boiling down to "You're in charge of your own life; take responsibility for your own choices", which shouldn't be controversial or novel advice in a healthy society
>both are defined by a small group of retards that treat their word as gospel (Group A) and a much, much larger group of retards who have conniptions and go rabid whenever their names are mentioned (Group B)
>neither one is particularly terrible as a writer and both have some interesting work outside of what they're known for (Fountainhead and Anthem have good prose, JBP's Bible lectures are supposed to be solid) but if you point that out, Group B will accuse you of belonging to Group A
>both versions of Group B will respond with endless anecdotes about their personal lives or bad faith arguments about their work (which they got from other internet commentators; you don't actually think these retards read, do you?) to justify why they hate them so much
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>tells you to set goals for your life, tell the truth, get friends, eat healthy and start a family
>somehow makes 90% of the internet seethe
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>>67300638
the implication that you should not try to change the world until you sort yourself out triggered a lot of people
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>>67300638
You know (((who))) doesn't want people to do those things
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>>67300701
I understand why this can be construed as a bad thing, because it does come off as
>don't try fixing the world, goy
But at the same time, if you're not doing well and your life is an unstable mess, should you really be trying to make change for the world when you don't know how to take care of yourself? That's what leads to shit like the echo chamber schizoids trying to push their mentally deranged ideals onto others, like the promotion of weakness, fat acceptance, etc.
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It is stupid to apply Peterson's comment to lifting. Lifting is a case of diminished returns. At the start you gain muscle fast, then it gradually slows down.

There is really no point in taking lifting seriously because in 6 months to a year or two years you will pretty much gain all you are going to gain. This thing about taking 10 years to get a body is both generally an exaggeration and it's all people who started at under 20 years old, when the body is still growing and developing in some ways. You can't just start at 27 and expect the same linear progression, by the time you hit 30 you're essentially the final article, more or less, unless you've been doing something very wrong or go on roids.

Whatever the case you should not expect to take up weightlifting at any arbitrary age and gain linearly year on year.
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>>67300754
The point he makes is about the improving of a skill, learning better work ethic, and using that as one portion of general self improvement.
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>>67300754
>6 month progress is the same as 1 or 2 years of progress
stfu dyel
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>>67300754
The more common saying in psychology is usually "you overestimate what you can do in a day...", which makes a lot more sense. Idk if Peterson fucked it up, or OP.
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>>67297269
So you seriously can't imagine a scenario in which "misgendering" is considered "promotion of hatred" or punished in some way?
Also, "hate speech laws" are terminal AIDS any way you look at them.
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>>67293681
>Man on internet said...
Stop listening to these faggots. Be your own man. Don't even listen to this advice. Fuck you , fuck me, fuck it all.
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>>67302947
Zizék is based. Peterson, however, is dangerous because he always speaks in peremptory manner, pretending he's some kind of "wise" man
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>>67303385
Zizek is a colossal niggerfaggot. He's Noam Chomsky with a shitty accent. In what way is he "based"?
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>>67297269
>>67297257
Oh yeah I have a lot of faith in the terminally disingenuous leftist crowds to not misuse this fucking law when they constantly say shit like
>Misgendering is LITERALLY an act of violence sweaty
Go fuck yourself faggot
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>he's a hypocrite so he's wrong
You have to be a leftist to believe shit like this, and only because it allows you to sidestep any pathetic argument you might make against the actual message
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>>67293681
this junkie is so insecure he filters who can comment on his twitter posts.

no wonder /pol/ likes him
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>>67303789
Peterson rarely makes arguments, and whenever he does it's "leftism makes you feel bad so it's WRONG!!"
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>>67296585
He's a paid hack.
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>>67299406
funny and true cartoon but
>10 years later
probably more like 10 months later
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I like how he declared he was going on a twitter social media and internet detox hiatus with only his media team posting book tour dates or whatever - and then the next day he was back on twitter saying how skinny chicks are more attractive than fat ones.

he really earned and deserves his 6 PhDs from the University of Canada
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>>67303789
what are you doing here Jordan? Did you wash foreskin today?
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penis
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>>67300754
Hahahhaha kys dyel
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>>67293726
>>67293737
>>67294066

Trannies hate JBP the most. Leftoids hate JBP the second most. Poltards hate JBP third most. If someone is shitting on him, rest assured they are one of the above, most likely one of the first two.

Every influential psychoanalyst was doing drugs. Every influential everything else was too. JBP just admitted it. I respect him more for that, not less.

>>67293681
You should not be struggling to add 5 lbs in a year. Are you eating enough protein? Or are you not training enough? Or are you not training with enough intensity? 1lb per month should be easy.
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>>67303935
this but unironically
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>>67303657
what is there not to like about him? one of the most influential philosophers of our time
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>>67300614
Thisthisthisthis
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>>67304706
His called a philosopher but isn't spending is ideology explicitly worshipping niggers and faggots
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>>67304706
>what is there not to like about him? one of the most influential philosophers of our time
What the fuck kind of argument is this? Because someone is "influential" you should like him? More often than not it's the opposite.
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>>67300926
The point of 6 months to 2 years is that even after 6 months you're going to already have some insights into your trajectory. If your arms are still twigs after 6 months proper training and bulking sorry but they are never going to be trunks you see people walking around with. After two years then there's a clear trajectory, a slowing down of the gains and a dramatic body transformation is unlikely without doing roids, bloatmaxing or completely changing diet and routine.
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>>67304262
> Every influential psychoanalyst was doing
Coke or amphetamines for productivity, not fucking benzos to check out of life.
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>>67303935
Can we just nuke the leaves away at this point?
Everything from there is cancer.
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>>67306837
He was prescribed benzos because his wife was dying of cancer and he was depressed, you niggerfaggot.
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>>67306905
Yeah, he used drugs to emotionally abandon his wife when she had cancer.
The context makes it worse, not better.
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>>67306969
>Being a bumbling mess because a loved one has cancer is le good because...
>IT JUST LE IS, OKAY?
If he found a cure for her cancer you'd fault him for not living through the whole experience of seeing a loved one waste away.
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>>67306969
You're such a fucking faggot.
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>>67307003
If you’ve ever had someone close to you go on bezos you’d get it. It’s not like going on an SSRI or something. The person is just gone.
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>>67295572
God hates fags
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>>67295572
Well put.
>>67295572
Imagine thinking refusing to answer a simple and direct question is some kind of 4d chess instead of being an intellectually dishonest coward.
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>>67307294
Refer to this post.
>>67300104
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>>67307378
I’m talking about Peterson, not you. I don’t give a fuck whether you believe in God or not because you don’t have any influence over masses of unguided young men whose minds haven’t finished developing yet.
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>>67307460
He believes in the importance of morals, he doesn't actually belive in god in the literal sense. Anons post is just one fat strawman with no proof, but of course, you nod and clap because of confirmation bias.



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