Bench press is objectively the greatest test of upper body strength that we have. Only dyels will argue against this.
>>63503829If your upper body stops at your elbows sure.
>>63503829It's actually one of those
Overhead press is clearly superior. Bench is just more popular.
>>63503829Its the OHP you literal trex armed homo
>>63504245>>63504305Overhead press obsession is a cope for having a weak bench. It's not a lift that is contested and does not have anywhere near the strength standards that the bench does so benchlets will use it to hide that they are weak.Bench objectively uses more muscle it is the only upper body lift that you will have anything near the poundage of lower body lifts and it has enormous strength standards
>>63504305>>63504245>>63504414It's definitely not any press, that's for sure. It's a weighted pull up, or better yet, the weighted muscle up.
>>63504414But I train strongman :(
>>63504466No it's not. Weighted pull up is only lats and bicep. It doesn't even work your entire back. The row works your entire back but it's not practical to test a 1rm on that. Bench is an upper body lift that uses the most muscle out of anything.
>>63504484It only trains chest triceps and front delts, that's less than half of all upper body muscle
>>63504414>It's not a lift that is contestedcontested where, retard?I can easily dismiss bench and deadlift as useless lifts because they aren't contested (in the olympics), and claim the C&J and snatch are the only valids test of strength.Stop relying on whether or not some faggot federation recognizes a certain lift as important
>>63504513Your upper back and biceps are also stabilizers on it. It is also an upper body lift that can be loaded the most out of anything else.
>>63504530In competitions>C&J>SnatchToo much technique involved so they don't test pure strength. The big 3 are low skill and primarily test brute force making them the best test of strength.
>>63503829>>63504414What a massive faggot. Only dyels care about bench numbers
>>63504622Everybody cares about the bench. You are just a coping weakling.
a biceps curl is the ultimate test of strength. only squat fags disagree
>>63503829Not really. Not for useful motions. Lat raises and OHP are much more functional when talking about upper body strength.
>>63504414For years I neglected my bench for OHP. My physique was great. Most of the people in my gym that do Benches and neglect OHP, don't look that great.OHP is more functional and more aesthetic.
>>63504536being the lift you can lift the most weight isnt the point, otherwise we would have rackpulls and half squats instead of the deadlift and actual squats in powerliftingbench is gay because you need equipment to do them, clean and press tho you only need the barbellretards do bench in the paralympics
>>63504683How is a lat raise more functional than a horizontal push?
It's the pull up. You if you cant do 10 pull ups what are you doing
>>63504698Bench objectively uses and builds more muscle there really is no argument. OHP is just front delts and triceps. If you want nice looking shoulders just throw in lateral raises and rear delt flys at the end.>>63504683Lateral raises are a vanity movement there is nothing functional about them. Anon you are a retard.>>63504683>>63504698OHP is not more functional. You are more likely to be pushing someone in most sports then putting something over your head. Name some sports where you are putting something over your head. I can only name weightlifting and strongman.Sports where you are pushing someone or are throwing your arms in front of you: American football, rugby, wresting, boxing, basically any contact sport.>>63504702You just named partial versions of those lifts. And it is a factor. Bench uses the most muscle out of any upper body movement.Clean and press you need years of coaching to do properly. Too much technique which rules it out. Bench is low skill and pure strength.
>>63504622its the only lift my coworkers know exists>>63504683>lat raises and ohp>t. grocery shelf stocker>>63504698>more functionalthis is always said but never explained. deadlift vs squat makes sense because you pick stuff up off the ground and you don't wedge yourself in and push. people push just as much in both directions and neither are frequent outside of sports
>>63504822>Bench is low skill and pure strength.nah, its the most technical lift of the powerlifting lifts, and the one in which the most ROM coping happens.if you can't power clean your max OHP you are a fucking pussy, that should be warm-up weight.OHP avoids ROM coping, there is simply no way to ROMcope a press. the only reason why Bench is popular is because americans were getting absolutely MOGGED by eastern block chads in the olympic clean and press, so they had to pick something else no one else cared about.
>>63504822A receiver of TE going up for a catch while arms are being held down. Thats OHP.
>>63504865>its the most technical lift of the powerlifting liftsI agree but it's still low skill>the one in which the most ROM coping happens.Only in the low bodyweight classes which no one cares about other than the people competing in them. And even then only like 1-2% of them can do those big arches. No one in the higher classes can do them.OHP uses less muscle and people turn it into incline benches all the time.
>>63503829Rowing is far more of a test of applicable upper body strength if you want to be honest about it.How many times in your life do you have to push something off of your chest? And, even when pushing something, how often are you doing it with straight arms locked and using lower body strength primarily vs. actually pressing the object away from you?Unless you're literally having a shoving match with someone, bench pressing really has almost no real-world use whereas pulling movements have much more, as does deadlifting for what is an IRL test of applicable strength.But, then again, I fucking hate benching, so there you go.
>>63504822>Bench uses the most muscle out of any upper body movement.not even close, pecs + triceps + some front delts doesnt compare to all of your back + biceps in a row, for example.>>63504911this
>>63504911you hate benching because you are weak at it
>>63504874Which then gets flagged for pass interference making it useless.
bench press:Easy to cheat with wide grip Cheated with archingCheated with leg driveBench is not an objective measure of strength once you get into the 3pl8+ range
>>63504936Bench also uses back and biceps. They are stabilizers.>>63504911Rowing is good but you can't test a 1rm on it (1rm is the best test of strength). Any many sports involve pushing and throwing your arms in front of you.
>>63504948Right. Every time. Refs never miss anything. Got it.
>>63504956None of those are cheating. Tell me how I know you are a weak bitch.
>>63504865>its the most technical lift of the powerlifting liftsnah. that shit os deadlift. bench can be grinded through and completed with fucked up form. deadlift is the simplest, but the most annoying. Bodyweight increases and decreases wont fuck your squat and bench form. deadlift it will
>>63504956oooo this is fun let me do ohp nextohp:easy to cheat with lean back archingcheated chest dip/bouncecheated with hip drahvecheated with double layback
>>63504968Yes. Whereas a bench press has more use in pushing off a press. So even in this highly situational example that doesn't even matter that much because it's illegal you can come up with more functional uses of a bench press for a skill position.
>>63504971The fact that the rules for bench press haven’t evolved is why powerlifting will never be a sport
>>63505014The rules for bench are fine. It is a sport.
>>63505026Wrong on both counts there
>>63505031Post your bench
>>63504959>can't test a 1rm on itA bent over barbell row is hard to test for 1rm especially with lowerbody being used but a seal row could be tested easily. Start at arms fully extended or weight on the ground with a height adjustable bench then pull until the bar touches the bottom of the bench. Max weight is 1rm
>>63505037I stopped bench pressing once I hit 3pl8My incline rn is 265 3x8>attempted ad hom
>>63504822>You are more likely to be pushing someone in most sports then putting something over your head.That's irrelevant most nhl and nfl only do bench once a year
>>63504414Your a fucking homo post pics, Bench Press is a literal joke in terms of raw strength compared to a strict OHP
>>63503829Putting something heavy over your head is the greatest demonstration of strenght.Bench is a nerdy lift and too much susceptible to ROM cheating by grip arch and bloating.
>>63505156As if ohp isn't the most soi shit there is cheated by bending over backwards and turning into a push press
>>63505156>>63505136It's not. OHP uses less muscle.>Bench is a nerdy lift?
>>63505136>in terms of raw strength compared>biggest ohp 500lbs>biggest bench 780lbskek
>>63505156>too much susceptible to ROM cheating by grip arch and bloating.Acting like the same isn't done for overhead pressing
>gestures in iron cross; planche
>>63504245i'd argue for the clean & push press being the best measure of strength
>>63505216Because it's harder to ohp you absolute retard
>>63503829raw grip strength mogs all other upper body feats of strengthif you can't close a CoC #3 don't talk to me
>>63503829>gain fat>bench goes uphmm wonder why you like it
>>63504959>Bench also uses back and biceps. They are stabilizers.so? by the same token triceps and chest are stabilizers in pulls
>>63503829I'd say more a wide grip pull up
>>63505232Power lifters are so cringe
>>63505330You're a retard
>>63505279So you admit it's a worse lift in terms of raw strength. A stiff leg deadlift is harder than a regular deadlift because it limits the use of the large quad muscle in the lift. An overhead press limits the use large pec muscles to press the weight.
>>63505373That's not a powerlifter retard. Powerlifters don't compete in any overhead pressing events
>>63505209Push press still uses more muscle and is more impressive than bench.>>63505211Requires the most special equipment to perfom = nerdy and gay>>63505232I'm talking about strict OHP, not some standing incline press. But even then, its still a great demonstration of core strenght.
>>63505232there's no ROM cheating here, tho. using your whole upper body to lift the thing, without leg cheating. that's correct in my book and also in the opinion of the old oly rules
>>63505209you dont know what a push press is right? retard
>>63505399Uh yeah they can. Anyone who lifts heavy at events is a power lifter
>>63505463brainletpowershitting is squat bench deadonly strongfats, olyfags and strengthshitters put stuff overhead
>>63505487>powershitting is squat bench deadNo shit. Doesnt mean that faggot in the webm isnt a powerlifter he clearly is
>>63505515he isn't, chase lindley is a strengthshitter he doesn't do powershitting, he does alot of c&j and snatch however
>>63503829John Haack is a fucking monster
>>63504968>nooo!!!! bad refs!!! sports ball!!! I should be the coach!!! I'm better at this than coaches and refs that do this for a living!!!!! why don't they listen to me!!!!
>>63504414>yeah man horizontal squatting is so much more impressive than strict military pressgo away clown
>>63503829>not the bottom-up kettlebell Turkish get-upConfirmed that your upper body has ZERO balance and proprioception (essential components of strength)
>>63505433Lol i don't think you know what a push press is
>>63505610What class does he.compete in?
>>63505649under 90kg /198
>>63505580Powerlifters are still cringe. They do the same thing cheat their lifts or use as much equipment as possible
>>63505677sounds like cope
>>63505677There are different divisions for equipped and raw
>>63505704Yeah but nobody cares. When you google heaviest lifts none of them are raw. Just a bunch of mentally ill doped up losers
>>63505666Haack is a fucking freak. That nigga is probably gonna hit a 2300 raw total at under 200 lbs.Curious to see if he takes the GOAT Wilks total away from Atwood if he can pull it all together at the right time.
>>63505740COPEOPEAs if you'll be remembered for anything more than kvetching like a faggot about people who will always be stronger than you. Why do weaklet fags shit up PL-related threads all the time, are you all really THAT insecure about your low value?
>>63505740when you google heaviest lifts or even "powerlifting heaviest lifts" it's strongmen like eddie and thor lifting 500kg that comes up
>>63505759>completely ass mad>thinks I'm the one copingLol
>>63505740>nobody caresRaw powerlifting has quickly overtaken equipped powerlifting in the last 10 years and is way bigger than it's ever been. Millions of people care.
All exercices are bench press, bench press is the only exercise that exists.Overhead press = standing bench press rotated 90°Barbell row = upside down bench pressSquat = bench press for legs Deadlift = standing reverse bench press Pull-up = reverse standing bench press rotated 90°
>>63505764great lift but does a bar with that much whip make it substantially easier as all the weight isnt off the floor till you are in a higher position.
>>63506022yeah it does make it easier but not by much, maybe 10-15kg added.Depends on the amount of weight but using calibrated plates makes it bend less. A powerbar will still bend significantly at that weight
>>63506006after all the times ive seen this webm i jsut realized this bitch was benching on a bench with safeties. fucking dumbass just had to set them up, jesus christ
>>63505867nobody cares about powersharting most people just want visible abs
>>63506973>world cup viewed by over a billion people>superbowl only 90 million>nobody cares about the superbowlJust because more people want abs doesn't mean nobody cares about strength competitions. You retarded?
>>63507022those aren't strength competitions. how many people watch powerlifting out of the billions of people in the world?
>>63503829I'm not good at them. I'm great at ohp, that seems like a pretty good test of strength
>>63507042he mogs me
>>63507042So... did this guy ever consider doing a tiny bit of actual lifting? It wouldn't take much for him to look decent to women WITHOUT his shirt.
>>63504245Kino but dyel tbqh
>>63507152...millions like I said in >>63505867Worlds strongest man only has a reported annual viewership of 220 million>https://www.sportspromedia.com/analysis/worlds-strongest-man-wavetv-the-pump-snapchat-brian-verne-interview/I can't find any figures for powershitting but there are millions of people who consume powerlifting related media on youtube, instagram, etc. Larry wheels for examples has 2.6 million followers on instagram and 1.8 million subscribers on youtube with a over 500 million total views on his videos which are mostly powerlifting based.
Bench press has zero applicability in daily life. It is totally useless. It's only good for giving people pec tears and shoulder problems. And the people who perform well with it have t-rex arms.
I can feel this, but as a result of this and other things people bench far too much and fuck themselves up, so people then try to avoid benching and might then argue other things are better to test their strength just because they don’t like the idea of putting all their sheer might into a lift that isn’t good for them
>>63503829OHP is cope for DYEL fags who can't bench
>>63503829I would say bench and overhead press together provide the best picture. Overhead press is harder to cheat, however, so I would lean towards it.
benchpressers be like>i need to lie down to lift this object, hol up>now hold the object above me so i can start pressing itohpers be like>where do you want the object
>>63507361Bench works all the muscles ohp does and more so that's redundant. OHP is a supplemental lift to the bench if you have weak front delts and that is all. And incline is better for that purpose anyway.>>63507237Daily life doesn't require you to lift much weight anyway lol. It has applicability to many sports. Pec tears are extremely rare and usually happen to people that are on a bunch of shit. If you are doing a lot of rows and arch you won't have shoulder issues. >Anon figures out what leverages are wow!Not only are you weak you are a retard.>>63507410I can't name any sport other than weightlifting and strongman where you are lifting anything over your head. Meanwhile I can name a bunch where you are pushing someone or throwing your arm in front of you.
>>63506121not setting them up is part of her problem even. you can see her trying to slide off the barbell but it's stuck on one of the safeties.
>>63504245God I wish that were me and my boys.
>>63507435Cope.Tell me where the ohp touched you
>>63507435Bench works your anterior delts to a degree, but it’s obviously a chest-focused exercise. You really need both exercises to develop a clear picture. Granted, yes, bench works more muscles overall.
>>63507219mid guy looks pretty /fit/ imo. look at that bicep, the lad definatley lifted
>>63507410you overhead press out of a rack with a barbell that's easy to grab and weights uniformly distributed so you can lift in your comfortable air conditioned gym.
>>63507562Just pick an object off the ground and lift it over your head and you'll have done an overhead press. Now, to do a bench press, you need to lie down and have somebody hold the object above you.Which one of these are more useful and used daily outside the gym?
>>63507616>dyel has never heard of a floor press>Which one of these are more useful and used daily outside the gym?Neither. Oh no that 10kg box on the top shelf is really heavy anon I couldn't possibly get that down unless I train ohp for 2 years straight. The most pressing I do is push the couch to vacuum under it or pushing the fridge back after sweeping behind it. You don't need that much strength unless you're a farm hand or someshit and even then people have been doing manual labor for 1000s of years without lifting weights specifically. Doing the job gets you strong enough already. Functional training is cope. You lift to get stronger and bigger, not to be more "functional"
>>63505610face of fat 40yo - the joys of roids :Dawsome spot though, if he failed it would be his last one
>>63507700>fat 40 yo facenot sure what the 40 years olds look like around your part of the world but he looks late 20s to me
>>63506121>after all the times ive seen this webm i jsut realizedthen what were u looking at coomer? >>63507453there's absolutely no point in benching aside from powershitting, xir here certainly has no business getting under the bar, but satisfying nonetheless when teeth are gone for life
>>63507763>there's absolutely no point in benching aside from powershitting>bodybuilding>strongman>general pec, shoulder, tri strength and muscle development>you can answer "how much you bench" to non-lifting normies>its fun
>>63507741very tired, very hangover fat l8 20-s u ment?sth doesn't add up when u r 12% body fat and u look like a fucking bum neck up despite trying your best
>>63507792>bodybuildingnope, unless it's Larry Whells guest where he gets ur pec torn then yes>strongmanlol, none of them bench ever like a zero time they spend training is bench>general pec, shoulder, tri strength and muscle developmentcan't be strong and injured at the same time>you can answer "how much you bench" to non-lifting normiesi can also: dunno and don't care>its funsome people like ther bumholes penetated
>>63507799>roids cause bloating>powerlifter at the end of a comp prep before deload when fatigue is highestnot really a shock
>>63507843he looks like that all the timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1i0CBFkeGk
>>63507843u look like that all the time? :D>>63507843>>roids cause bloatingsth does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I2zgmNPWAoinsulin? idk idc
>>63507652Why do you think I've never heard of a floor press. You still need to lie down on the ground, lol. Again, benching is totally useless outside the gym.
oh so sry John - did i kill ur promo thread?
sports are a pastime, why do people mention them for irl use of lifts? if you work a trade you'd rather have strong shoulders to weld overhead than strong pecs to.. pec dance with. the only time i can feel my pecs irl are when i grab an object on either side with flat palms and lift, push, or carry it using my pecs as the main driver. and that isn't a common occurrence, nor one that requires a lot of bench strength. I've benched 250 and have never been too weak to perform said irl lift with real objects. as for overhead, the more you do the better. I've done 170 strict on a log and still feel limited frequently in shoulder strength. I can still manage using leg drive and utilizing my entire body however, which is how you tend to lift stuff irl.
>>63505232This is like a standing incline press. He's impressively strong, but it's like a parlor trick. The bar hardly moves when he leans back, so his upper body acted more like a stabilizer for his glutes, lower back, to press it out. I don't see why he'd just stick to repping 3pl8.
>>63504562>The big 3 are low skillonly thing you said that's true
>>63509914>clarence kennedy attempted a 180kg 1rm snatch 20 times in a single session and eventually got it>Too much technique involved so they don't test pure strengthis also true retard imagine trying to attempt your 1rm deadlift or squat 20 times. There is no way you aren't on the floor dying by the 3rd or 4th attempt
>>63507799You won't post body tho bc you don't lift
>>63503829I have heard Olympic medalists argue against the bench press. One of the mayor reasons for it is that it restricts movement.
Close, it's actually the push up.
>>63506006i jave beat off to this video so much its unreal
>>63503829Who cares about testing "upper body" when you can test your entire body with the clean & jerk?>uncheatable, no arguing about back arch or leg drive or any bullshit >requires strength, speed, and technical precision >contested at the olympics, the highest level of sport >looks cool as fuck>feels good as fuck
>>635038293PL8 CHADS REPORT IN
Having a strong bench automatically makes you strong at ohp, a strong ohp doesn't make you stronger at other things
>>63512640depends, if you bench like a regular person then a strong bench will give you a strong ohp. If you archmaxx gripmaxx rom hack bench then there will be very little carry over
>>63507562NOT IF I CLEAN AND PRESS NIGGA EAT DIRT
>>63503829bench is king.
Clean and Press.Feel free to bitch and whine but its the only exercise that makes you a man.
>>63505006actual DYEL. a horizontal motion doesn't contribute motion to a vertical lift. What the lean does is allow your arms to set a more optimal position thus allowing for a more efficient bar path. You can't even teach a double layback. it just has to happen if you practice enough and if the bar never stops going up why would you say it's cheating? You're just proving that the OHP is a more technical lift than the Bench.>>63504956Another DYEL who things proper bench form is cheating. You are required to arch even a little bit if you want to avoid impinging your shoulders and activate your chest more. Leg drive is another Horizontal motion that doesn't contribute and "lift" in the movement but allows for a better brace.Grip shouldn't even be a talking point but It does lower RoM but you end up losing muscle mass in the process
>>63505666no way he is gonna get under 90 when he is 96 like 4 weeks out