>filters powershittersname a more based exercise
>>62680164TFW you mog all the dyels at the cable machine by hanging two plates from your hip and repping pullups like a blow up doll.
how do I progress from being able to do like 10-12 pullups and 5 with 15kgs hanging off my waist?Do I continue with just weighted pullups and completely throw out regular ones or just do them on deload week?
im a fatty powershitter and do 3x5.suggma
>>62680238You won't mog anyone as a twink. A guy at my gym does pull ups with 90lbs but looks like a twink any time he isn't lifting.Any real sized man isn't doing pull ups.
I'm 200lbs and I want to be able to do weighted pull-ups. However, I can max out at about 7 then can do only 4-5 reps after my first set. Should I strive for more quantity throughout the day; or should I start adding weight, however small it would be?
>>62680306cope, pullups are one of the most natural movementsimagine not being able to climb a tree due to being a fatass, your ass would be toast in any situation beside lifting metal plates in a ventilated room
>>62680164>crossing legs lmao cope try lifting your full bodyweight
>>62680310I would start adding weight. As long as you can do at least one quality rep it's good.
190cm 105kg 25reps max
>>62680306Same. Dudes all of 160lbs and a total lanklet. Strong af tho with a 3pl8 bench and 4pl8 squat
>>62680428>He thinks crossing legs means you aren't still lifting their weight
>>62680428>he thinks crossing legs removes weight from the liftpowershitter cope is real
never done weighted pulls, i stick to weighted chins
>>62680345>ventilated roomHave been doing it wrong by COmaxxing?
>>62680306I'm 210 and do pullups with added weight. You're just weak.
I can do 5 bodyweight.t. powershitter
>>62680932never done weighted chins, I only throw black chins. by far the best ranged xp/hour.
>>62680996Still seething about blowpipe nerf. Tfw mid level
>>62680926>>62680923 Your one leg is lifting the weight of the other one taking like 10-15lbs of weight from your arms
>>62681212>cries in f2p
>>62681287If I cross my arms when doing a pullup will it make it easier?
>>62681287are you fucking Baron Munchausen
>>62681312Yeah but then you're working your hamstrings more than your back
>>62680164>Technically a power shitter (105kg, fridge mode) >Can do 20+ strict paused pull ups with wide gripAre you sure about that, OP?
>>62680971Such an unsettling picture
why are powerfatters so fat. like who care if you can dl 800, you're just a fat guy to me
>>62681347Stop posting PNGs, asshole.
Everyone at the park does bodyweight pull ups. I started adding weight (5kg) but I feel like a DYEL using such lightweight despite me being the only one using weight.It’s so weird! They are the DYELs, not me!!!!
>>62681287never change based mathposter
>>62681585if you want to use more weight, just switch to chinups
>>62680268alternate sets with bodyweight to failure on one week and sets of 5 weighted on the other
>>62680164Latissimus dorsilets will cope and seethe into the thread.Truth is pullups develop latissimus dorsi hypertrophy more than any other exercise; are an extremely relevant test of pound for pound strength; and have heaps of other added benefits such as spinal decompression (something everyone, especially fat powershitters need after lots of heavy lifting) and posture adjustment.Truly they are a blessed and holy exercise. Do them bodyweight for high volume, with progressive overload as strength work, partials for posture and decompression, they're great. Make sure you mix your grips to avoid elbow and wrist pain. Good luck guys and may all be blessed with wicked back gains.
>>62681287>this many people took the bait
>>62683347nothing that pulldown don't give you aside from a little ab work
>>62683367Pulldowns don't decompress the spine. Pulldowns don't correct your posture if anything they make it worse by having you pull at unnatural angles.Pulldowns don't develop strength as much as pullups, unless you are pulling as much if not more than your bodyweight.Just do your pullups mate. The faster you start doing them, the faster you start reaping the many benefits. If you can't do a bodyweight pullup then start with slow negatives, or partials. Good luck.
>>62683445>pulldowns don't correct postureshut the fuck up newfag, pulldowns are one of the best exercises for fixing rounded shoulders you fucking dumbass god damn i hate little kids like you.
>>62683445will lat pulldowns and rows eventually give me the strength to do pull ups?
>>62683347/fit/ would laugh at my back day routine>Pullups>Bent over rows>Pullups again but neutral grip this time>Bent over rows again>Rows with bands>Pullups but arch my back more this time>Stretch and go home
>>62680268Do superset after weighed pull ups go and make some without weigjt
>>62680428You unirocally right
>>62681287i love this fucking board
>>62683487My pull day>Pullups>Facepulls superset with hanging leg raises>Curls>More curls>Pulldowns if I really want a finisherI used to do rows and shit but now I just do more sets of pullups.
>>62683487>>62683536Welp here we go.3*4x12 (close, normal, wide grip) pulldowns for 200lbs.6x12 high row for 180lbs6x12 cable row for 240lbs4x15 pullovers for 120lbs5x25 leg lifts5x25 crunches10 minute dead hang.
>>62680306>He can’t into simianmode Your ancestors are ashamed
>>62680164I'm stuck at max 8 reps.
>>62680306225lbs here, the dude filming didn't angle it well to see but it's 100lbs. Definitely not a twink, just need to work calves more
>>62683500Unlikely and depends on BW, my mate weighs about 190 and struggles to do 3 trash pullups but due to a base of strength as a labourer he can row and pulldown considerably more than you'd expect
>>62683745>nnooooooo i can't do a pulldown correct so i'll cope and call him a fat assyou'll never be a man.
Why does my shoulder hurt from doing pull ups? What am I doing wrong? How do I correct it?
>>62683456Unless you do them behind the back I just don't see how that's possible mate. The pad that locks your legs is straight and won't change with the angle of your torso which necessarily has to change as you pull your elbows down to your sides. Not that someone who never does proper vertical pulls would know.>>62683474They should help to get your strength up, yes. But starting on them right away is more useful as this will give you neurological adaptment not the lift and help you progress faster. Negatives work plenty well.>>62683487That's not bad. I would superset sets of 12-16 bw pullups with heavy barbell rows, and maybe chuck in some heavy pullovers and one arm rows. That would make for a decent workout if you don't have much equipment. Investing in a belt for weight progression would really help you out as it gets insanely difficult to progress in reps after a point.
>>62684005google proper formmake sure your back is pinched and shoulders are dropped. if your form is shit you will be pulling with your shoulders rather than back
>>62683986Why not both fatass lmao post weight
>>62680268>>62683893 hereI progressed on pullups/chinups purely by adding more and more weight. I didn't do babby increments but did a lot of drop sets. Lots of 3x3/2 sets with as much weight as I could handle. Most of the weight progression has been me actually gaining weight. Doing my heavy weighted pulls/chins, the rest of my back exercises, and then topping it off with a couple AMRAPs of pullups helped a lot. Haven't done a fresh rep max in a long time but could most likely do 20-24 at 225lbs.
>>62684006Thanks. There is a belt at my gym and I use it.
>>62684026I can't seem to pinch my back nor pull back my shoulder blade.
you "people" are all schizophenric freaks and the letters you put together into the abortions you call "words" have absolutly no meaningtake your fucking meds, they wont hurt your "gains", you mentally ill cretins
>>62681585Gotta start somewhere, would you expect to just throw 45lbs on your bench and do anything of value with it
>>62684048You'll never be a man>>62684006Are you retarded?Pulldowns literally work the lats, traps, teres, literally everything needed to fix rounded shoulders. It's the number one exercise everyone does to fucking fix rounded shoulders.How you can be lifting for any amount of time and not know this is fucking retarded and you shouldn't be posting on /fit/ as you don't know near as much as you think.Do you even know what rounded shoulders are? Do you even know what i'm talking about? if not, stop posting and lurk moar before you hurt someone with your shitty (((knowledge))).
>>62684056you can try to get gud at this by just hanging off the bar and move your shoulders back and downt. fat fuck who can't do a single pullup but watches a lot of youtube videos
>>62684006my gym doesn't have an assisted pull up machine, should i just use bands? Idk if bands are worth the investment if pulldowns/rows will get me there eventually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrKGGscryAwhy aren't you doing 4" ROM narrow neutral grip on rings for one full hour like Scooby? Hitting only the peak contractions, save the stretching ROM bullshit for later during your yoga or some shit.
>>62680164>not doing feet in front for free ab workNgmi
>>62680164>twinks can do +100lb pullups>twinks can't bench 4pl8It's not the exercise but the size of the person doing them
>go to do pullups at gym>bar is like smooth butter and I keep slipping on my grip until Im hanging on by my fingers
>>62685724you can do negatives, you can do scapular pull ups, try easier grips like neutral grip (palms facing each other) and chin up. Remember when doing the exercise that pull ups are a back and lat exercise, your arms should be supporting you back and lats, that's all, do not try to pull yourself up with your biceps or triceps but more with your lats. So when you grab the bar above you, arch your upper back a little bit and engage the lats by pulling your shoulders back and down a bit, this will help engage your entire back, you might find that can actually get a few ups
>>62685857buy a pair of straps,
>>62685857ya, just buy your own bro, one of the best investments I've ever made
>>62684056put your arm by your sides, externally rotate hands so that palms are facing away from front of your body. stand up straight, put your chest in the air a little bit. then pull your arms behind your back a little bit starting from your shoulders. you should feel it. you could even lean back a ton, to help get that shoulder blade movement by way of gravity, that's actually what i did to treat my fucked up shoulders, I would walking around the house with exaggerated leaning back posture like i was the opposite of a hunchback to get those scapula moving more
>>62680164I can do five and that's it even if I reset. How do I do pullups for sets? Just do the half ones I manage to do after the first five? I can still pull myself up to my forehead just not chin over bar, first five are chin over bar.
>>62685827That is not even pull ups, you retard dyel
>>62686365>webm title is +122kg x3>says nothing about whether it is a pull up or chin up>assumes I think a chin up is a pull upyou're a dumbcunt
>>62684120Yeah pullups work those muscles and more. They also work them harder.Pulldowns will not fix rounded shoulders. It's possible to use the cable machine with rounded shoulders while pulling with the shoulders. That won't fix shit rather it'll injure them.The only people I see attacking pullups are people who can't do them. Post body or weight, or a video of you doing pullups and then we can talk my most likely very large friend.
>>62686080That's for natural standing and not on the bar right? I don't have a problem retracting them normally or during bench/pushups but when I'm hanging like a faggot I just can't seem to do it. Too weak I suppose?
>>62680164You know not every powerlifter is in the highest possible weight class right?My total is 1300lbs (not amazing but decent) and i can do pullups easily.
>>62686736yeah my suggestions were for just standing walking around. Check this video out, I think it will be perfect for the problem you describe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WHdim80e7o
>>62680306>real sized man>literally can't pull his own weight
>>62686736As well, check this video on scapular pullups. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P9r0UAdwXM I recently did a few sets of these before some rock climbing as this instructor suggested and my performance was greatly increased
>>62680164I’m a powershitter and do chinups all the time
>>62684005Try switching to neutral grip
>>62683487Maybe add or replace one of your movements with bodyweight rows.
>>62681287If I push my ass with my hand really hard will I levitate?
>>62683893ching chong ching chong
>>62680306>A guy at my gym does pull ups with 90lbs but looks like a twink any time he isn't lifting.Literally me
>>62680164The only exercise more based than the pull up is weighted pull up.Pull up is king and everyone who disagrees is either a fatty or a dyel.
>>62687366Only if you can curl your own bodyweight
>>62683893Your last rep was the only one with full ROM :)
>>62680164I go to a powerlifting gym since it's so obscure it's basically a private gym for myself after 6pm but the moms that go there are more impressed by a weighted pull up than the dudes there doing 600lb box squats (in gear of course.) I obviously try to be humble but some of them, in front of their trainer, come up to me and tell me how strong I am while the powerlifter is just taking it.I bet the trainer is this guy >>62680306>>62680310Pull ups are not a fives exercise. There's no pull up 1RM competition. I strongly recommend keeping it unweighted until you can do 5x20, good luck. I always see people use weights to keep themselves doing 3s and shit because their grip strength is awful and they can't hold on for more than 4 reps. Adding weights just ruins your volume assuming you weigh more than 170lbs.It's not even athletic. I've never seen an actual athletes rely on the weighted pull up. I guess it might be necessary if you're like 140lbs.
>>62688271>There's no pull up 1RM competitionSure there are, some calisthenics nerds put on dip & pullup competitionsExamplehttps://youtu.be/XQRv9-tRZC4Obviously nothing like as popular or established as powerlifting is these days but it's definitely big enough that you can say you're training for competition if that's important to you
>>62686775>>62686804Thanks anon! WAGMI.
>>62688353Well that's like a 1RM curl but even less people give a shit. It's meme shit for a video. Plus calisthenics dudes definitely reach that point of 5x20 instead of cutting themselves short and reducing the volume to do 3x3 with a 45 or two.Again, everyone I see add weight is just doing it because they struggle to hold themselves for more than 3-5 reps. That's why I fucking did it for a while. It only got better when I stopped doing that.
>>62687153Wish I could. I'm doing them off a beam at my office when no one's around, not even using thumb.
what are "weight classes"
>>62680164twink the exercise
>>62680164Behind the neck pull up master race reporting in.
>>62680164What's the ideal grip width for a pull up?
Hope you guys are pulling at least 3pl8 on chin ups.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpcWCf2eJc
>>62690364Literally grip which gives you most reps
>>62690364did he died?
>>62690432kek not even close that first rep. will not watch rest
>>62687479I'm white silly.>>62688262Post body and video of you doing any better friend.
>>62681287>I don ge itI-is he wrong?
>>62680164Why the fuck do I notice more people looking at me when I do basic-ass pull ups at the gym as opposed to any other exercise/lift?
>>62690544i hope so
>>62687479u blind nigga?
>>62691794Your average gym goer is somewhere between a dyel retard and a wannabe "powerbuilder" who sucks at all main compounds and is afraid to try to do pullups.
>>62680310Just row, no you don't need (((angles - there are no 90 kilo gymnasts for a reason. U will nuke traps and nudge delts and it's the closest thing to actually lifting shit irl- nevar had lower back pain since started em. Currently do sets of 50 with 50 kilos, weight around 70.
>>62680164The pull up is 5000% based and if you can't do 10 you should transition
>>62680306>Any real sized man"Real men" - you mean the male version of fat woman cope?
>>62681212blowpipe was overpowered on day 1 glad your shit toy got nerfed now you'll have to actually play the game
>>62680164Did like 100 chinups today, first set was 26.
>>62681287KEK LMAO. Based fucking retard
>>62694213at this point you would gain more by adding some extra weight and going for lower reps
>>62694213Different exercise my friend>>62691794Most people don't do them because it's hard :(>>62690364Mix it up for optimal back activation, do narrow grip, wide grip, do chin ups, neutral grip pullups, etc.>>62688565>>62690056>>62680306>>62680428EXTREME fatty powershitter cope
Nobody gets filtered by pull-ups unless they are fat and weak
>>62694388Volume > weightafter bunch of volume even bw chinup feels extremely hard to do, research shows volume is superior in muscle mass growth
>>62681585unless you can easily bang out sets of 30 every couple of minutes, adding weight actually slows down your muscle growth
>>62694536Extra weight is a way to increase volume though
>>62681287high level of basedings
>>62694591lets say you can do 40bw chinups vs 30 chinups with +10kg: You also weight 70kg.40 x 70 = 2800kg total volume30 x 80 = 2400kg total volumeIn both cases you are totally used up and cant do no more, but in bw chinup you did more volume kg., meaning you grow more muscle overall
>>62694638Don't think it works like that anon.
>>62694685thats exactly how it works, the downside is you have to do 100's of reps to use up all your muscle, while you can use up all your muscle in like 20-30reps with heavy weights.Ever wondered why cyclist have those massive legs, that look as big as bodybuilders?
>>62694638Right but I could probably change the number a bit so the added weight volume is more. Do whatever you want, and honestly I'm mirin' the amount of chin ups. But adding weight does not necessarily imply less volume. Since we're talking about a very high amount of volume, it might. It's just something to consider.
>>62694986Post back anon.
I never feel this in my back
>>62680306>"Dude I know a guy"
>>62680306I'm 215 doing 1pl8 pull ups and 1.5 pl8 chinups.
>>62695345You're doing then wrong then.
>>62695345Can anyone tell me why I never feel sore on my back from face pulls, rows or pull ups?
>>62680971Is this one shopped?
>>62681287>Powershitter gym bros arent reta...
>>62695391You're mentally retarded.
>want to do pull ups because of the massive gains they provide>my left shoulder starts hurting after I've done a few>never my right shoulder, only my left>been like this for a year, always have to stop doing pullups because it keeps coming backI was doing like 10 today and felt like I could have easily gone up to 15-20 if not for the painHelp me bros
>>62694986Okay anon. I wasn't completely sure you were retarded before but it's blindingly obvious now. You clearly don't know the literal most basic thing about putting on muscle.>Ever wondered why cyclist have those massive legs,It's called bike gears you absolute retard - go up to a really high gear and you'll need a really high force to push them at a high speed, particularly going uphill. It's not some accidental spinoff effect of long cardio, it's an essential part of their speed. Why do you think long distance runners have extremely small leg muscles despite using them so much? Because cardio doesn't build muscle! They build a little bit of muscle for going up and down hill and hitting the ground effectively, and they get a really low body fat, that's why you see a bit of calves in some runners, that's it. Also I have never looked at a cyclists' leg and thought it looks anything like a bodybuilders.man I'm so done with this place.
>>62695484Have you tried switching grip?Neutral works best for me
>>62694536Yes, hypertrophy wise, althoughexcessive volume can lead to certain muscle fiber conversion, higher injury possibility, faster tissue/joint degradation etc.Anyway, hypertrophy training is not comparable to strength training
>>62693509fatties eternally BTFO, well done my fellow pull up enjoyer
>>62683487This is what I'm doing now>Pullups>Seated rows>Lateral pulldowns>T-row bar>Barbell rows>Dumbell rows>Chin ups>Chest sypported dumbell rows>Negative pullups>Lateral pulldowns again Still dyel,I'm not using much weight since I'm just starting but I can do at least 13 pullups without dying and I wasn't able to do 3 before
>>62683347can I do chins instead?
>>62680268one arm pullupsstart by doing close pullups, then use a short rope to do one arms with assist from the other arm, then do wrist-grab one arms, then full one-arms
>>62696792Chins are great but a different exercise. I used to be able to do 3x8 chins but couldn’t do 1 pull-up because they use different muscles.
>>62680164>name a more based exerciseLike squats, deads, rows, overhead pressing, and other stuff that's more based?Nothing wrong with pull-ups, but faggots who treat them like they're the greatest thing ever are 100% retarded. I've seen manlets who can do 30+ reps whose back development resembles that of a 12 year old boy, so they aren't magic, but people use them to show off because they're gay like that.
>>62697134>I used to be able to do 3x8 chins but couldn’t do 1 pull-up I guarantee your chinup form was absolutely abysmal and you're a lying faggot. I've seen your type in the gym, what you're doing is not a chinup, it's you flailing like an inbred retard and you should kys yourself.
>>62680164I can lat pull my bodyweight for reps with good form, but cannot do a single pull up.What is wrong with me.
>>62697432lat pulldowns are easy to leverage the weight into a mechanical advantage and not truly be pulling the weight the stack says it is. Half the time the weight isn't even calibrated to the number of pulleys in the cable system too.
>>62697454so is just lifting moar the answer or should i try other things?
>>62697473well if you want to do pullups you should practice pullups.
>>62697490how practice if i cant do the damn thing brother
>>62680306twinks are so annoying
>>62697506negatives, assisted with bands, not being a pussy bitch who can't do pullups are all great ways
>>62697432make sure your grip is wide enough, look above the bar, pull your chest up to the bar, and do like a semi circle motion, not up and down
>>62697506get a pull up bar at home and try every time you walk through it. also remember this pain and teach your kids these simple movements. aka hate your parents until you can do it.
>>62685827horrible formusing momentum to do it
>>62685827What good is lifting 4pl8 if you can't even lift yourself you fat tub of lard.
>>62680345Trees dont have neatly spaced branches for you to symmetrically place your buttery little man paws on you insufferable faggot. You “functional” basedboys havent physically exerted yourselves once in your lifetimes outside of a gym yet pretend there is some noble cause behind your autistic weightlifting obsession because you’re literally too afraid to admit you’re so shallow you only lift for looks.If you actually climbed a tree once in your sheltered western life you’d know how incomparable it is to doing pull ups.
>>62683487My back day:>pullups>t-bar row>db row>cable rows>superset bicep curls and leg raisesgetting some damn good gains
>>62697635>oh no he's using momentum he's suppose to autistically chase perfect form every rep like I do on my +10lb weighted pullups>>62697792>What good is lifting 4pl8 if you can't even lift yourselfBut they can retard? That guy could rep out 4pl8 weighted pullups and 4pl8 bench (he benches 6pl8)>you fat tub of lardwhy do you assume anyone who doesn't have piss weak strength standards is fat?
>>62697980Yes I know the difference between a proper chin up and a dumb cope one because I do them myselfchin ups are easy anyway. any dickhead can do them especially with gay joe rogan balls strapped to a belt
>>62680164>finish workout>ask powerlifter to spot my pullup>he's confused but stands behind me>reach top of movement and fart in his face>drop down and escape with my superior agility while my fart gas fills his lungsBTFO again powershitters
>>62688271>Pull ups are not a fives exercise. There's no pull up 1RM competition. I strongly recommend keeping it unweighted until you can do 5x20, good luckThis is retarded because pullups are not some special exercise that's above the rules of strength training. If you want to do 20 reps that's fine but that's not how you build strength.
>>62680164>filters 90% of /fit/
>>62698009>chin ups are easy anyway. any dickhead can do them especially with gay joe rogan balls strapped to a beltYeah I'm sure you can do a weighted chin up with 122kg / 270lbs lmao retard
>>62698009So post yourself doing it retard.
>Finally hit 15 clean reps, can do a front lever with 1 leg out for a few dozen seconds.Feels so good lads, everytime I walk past the bar I can't help but pooool.
>>6269803220 reps or up to 30 reps builds muscle size fine. The latest research shows that size is a precursor to strength and that powershitters should be training for size 90% of the time anyway, switching to lower rep before the contest.
>>62690364is he kill?
did first day of 5/3/1 building the monolithafter heavy squats and heavy ohp you have to do>100 chinups>minimum 100 dips>100 facepullsthe chinups were fucking humbling. i practice weighted chinup max is 120 lb for 3 but my bodyweight max is barely 20 good reps, hopefully my lats blow the fuck up from this
>>62695626weight lifting isnt cardio, im talking about moving weight that is atleast like 40-50% of your max,
>>62696356>excessive volume can lead to certain muscle fiber conversion, higher injury possibility, faster tissue/joint degradation etc.you have it backwards, its the higher weights that leads to higher injury possibility, higher weights also injure your joins
Post backs sirs
>>62680996Finish MM2 you noob.>>62681212A T75 weapon shouldn't be endgame.
>>62683893fuckin miring breh
>>62698036the press to handstand is the real filterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xPx6-rbcfs
Who here /muscle up/? Powershitters need not apply.
>>62680971I can't tell what is the worst part about this picture
>>62683893Based dude, I'm 90kg and do it weighted with 40kg. Aaaaaaaaaah im getting mogged by you nooooooooooooooo
>>62701791That's a great tutorial, thanks.Any other movements you'd say are must learns?
>>62680164I'm 235lbs and I do chins with an extra 55lbs for sets of 8. Get strong you fucking dyel.
>>62701975I'm a powershitter and can muscle up dyeltwink
>>62694403>EXTREME fatty powershitter copeask me how I know you're a manlet
>>62685857this is so fucking annoying glad I'm not the only one
>>62702218This reads like a spook postWhy are there spooks on fit
>>62683893>scapulae elevated throughout the whole liftFuck weighted pull ups, you can't even perform them with proper form
>>62680306Twinks BTFOed, this is true. In real life, you dont need to do more than 10 pullups, if you find yourself in a situation where you need to pullup yourself from a ledge, 10 pullups is more than enough.
>>62695345You have to visualise your inner almond and activate it to the max when I do that my back becomes pumped as hell, got me feeling like I got almond milk pulsing through my muscles, a full gallon of activated almond milk instead of that pussy ass lactic acid shit.
>>62683893Don't feel bad anon... I'm 6'2 and no matter what I do my calves never get thicker. They always look like this, even before lockdown when I was squatting 425. Used to do raises every workout and it didn't do shit.
>>62698940based. dont forget to do the diet and conditioning part of the program. you wont regret it
>>62680164What's the verdict, is vid rel the perfect pull up form?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLO5EsWXqxc
I'm a 250lb powershitter and can do 23 pullups. Your move DYEL faggots.
>>62709197Depends on your goal. That way is more traps and rhomboids than lats.