What caused the massive decline in testosterone over the last 50 years?
>>59991684a lot of things; porn(constant sexual release), onions, those 5g towers, people sitting on their asses all day.
>>59991684Obesity.71% of Americans are overweight or obese
>>59991705I'm jewish and can confirm that me and my kin were tired of being intimidated and challenged by Goy. One of the things we do in America for example is we circumcise babies and extract the related testosterone and then we inject it into tomboys to turn them into tranny's. Its very funny.
Kikes and clueless goyim.
>>59991684Inject test, no matter how much effort you put into leaving an optimal life from a genetic perspective, it won't happen. Use test and when u want kids hop off for 3 months + hcg. Another way to get a woman pregnant is to up the test dose to 1-2grams, because somehow fertility returns at this point. Presumably because the test quantity is high enough to permeate through the walls of the testes or something. Legit bodybuilders getting women pregnant on their season prep. Anything but low test bros.
Internet and video games
>>59991804>50 years>internetI think you just have to go back.
>>59991684Estrogen in the water from birth control pills that thots piss out
Constant access to information/connection with others via the internet and everyone being told to go out of social norms and type casts made everyone into thinking that it’s okay that they are fat, ugly, unhealthy, or mentally ill. It stopped being about making yourself better and instead making everyone complacent or just codependent. There’s a constant echo chamber of people reassuring each other to stagnate instead of grow and achieve.
>>59991747>in the last 50 years>5g towers
vitamin d deficiencieschronic stressendocrine disruptors such as plastic or glyphosatephytoestrogenspolyunsaturated fats
>>59991863It’s 2021. Not 2006.
>>59991684Sheltered life, anything else is cope. Sitting in front of computer all day, no sunlight, no physical activity, cuddled by parents, forever a child
>>59991774You mother fuckers
>>59991684You’re putting the cart before the horse. The question is:>what caused the massive decrease in physical fitness And no the answer isn’t Jews
>>59991892not specifically 5g but constant exposure to radiation cant be good
Plastic seeps into your food, pesticides, fertilizer is sll over everything. Microplastics floating around in the drinking water by “accident”, flouride in the water on purpose, sedentary lifestyle, lack of high stakes situation throughout life, parasitic, energy draining forms of escapism, antidepressants, the list goes on.
>>59991684Plastics, obesity, sedentary lifestyles, refined sugars.
>>59991736Unironically this. Christ is the ultimate gains goblin. When Jesus Christ comes back onto this earth, I will outlift his DYEL ass
>>59991684Proliferation of the use of science on our food system without regard to how it affects the food. Micro-plastics, less emphasis on sleep, less emphasis on nutrition, obesity, and aggression is less socially acceptable.
>>59991684PlasticEstrogen waterShit foodNo sunlightNo exercise
Sedentary lifestyle.I’ve got more test than my father and both grandfathers. People just sit around all day in this era.
>>59992197Also plastic garbage everywhere that animals eat and then humans eat the animals, so we eat our plastic. It's ironic.
>>59991684Obisity and lack of strength training.Be sendatary is comparable to smoking 1-2 packs a day.
I think it's because of ADHD mess being popped like candy
>>59991684The unnatural way of modern life which produces an inhuman amount of stress. >money>home>food>drink>job>educationetc
>>59991684Diet.Lifestyle.Feminism.Fluoride and birth control in the water supply.People sitting at desks all day. The decline.
>>59992528I'm it sure stress is then culprit tho.Just think about all the stress humans had before modern life. Half of your kids die, one bad crop and your while village starves, some die. Accidents like breaking a foot can be lethal.I So way maybe the stress of just trying to survive another year made people more healthy? Also since you constantly had to work or plan ahead, you hadn't time contemplate life and become nihilistic
>>59992034>cuddled by parentsI think you mean coddled, but cuddled is so much cuter
>>59992165Your existence on earth is all about being exposed to natural radiation all the time, most of which is harmless, like 5g towers are, or the heat radiating from your cooked meal, or from the person next to you. There's a lot of space radiation which is flowing through your house and your body right this second, and it doesn't do shit to you.Learn what ionizing radiation is.
>>59992684sorry, English is not my first language
Obesity. Being 20 lb overweight is equivalent to taking hrt.Being a shredded aesthetic cunt is the only way to maximize test.
>>59992602are you retarded?
>>59992756I mean, is he that off? Cavemen and early civilization humans had to work a lot harder for food and shelter, and were far less equipped to deal with catastrophe.Compare a wolf who lives free in the woods, full of parasites, exposed to the elements, every meal being a fight, and a domesticated dog living in a warm house and eating two meals a day because he'll always be. Who would be more stressed?Now, a person isn't a domesticated dog, they have a lot more to worry about, but it's certainly not stress free to be a wild animal outside of society trying to survive without modern tools, knowledge, and infrastructure.
>>59991684Microplastic, BPA, Parabenes, Aluminium particles and whatever else isn't toxic enough to show a damage big enough that you can't finance studies to bring the consensus to a maybe toxic. Also every new substance gets tested for itself and may have small effects that don't show because it's just damaging in cumulation with other substances that show no or irrelevant effects on their own.
>>59991774>I'm jewish and can confirm that me and my kin were tired of being intimidated and challenged by Goyffs, even i can tell you're just an insecure, racist faggot who's just PRETENDING to be a jew. know how? an actual jew would know that you refer to a group of non-jews as GOYIM. GOY refers to ONE. nice one, retard.
>>59992165>constant radiation can't be goodGood thing you don't leave your basement, you might be exposed TO THE FUCKING SUN.
xenoestrogens and anti-androgen endocrine disruptors found in pollution (largely plastic) and obesityI don't know which has a bigger influence, but I'm more worried about the pollution since it's almost impossible to avoid.
less exercise and shittier diets
>>599921655G requires such a high frequency to transmit that it can't travel further than 1000ft, tower coverage is terrible at the moment (you probably don't have it near you unless you're in a major metro) and won't penetrate the walls of an average house. The fearmongering about 5G is dumb as fuck.
>>59991684Being fatConspiracy theorists hate this but it's true. Fat puts out aromatase and too much converts testosterones to estrogen. This is easily observed and reversible.All other factors are possible, but the fact that we've gone from 5% obesity to 50% and a fuckton more going overweight is the best explanation
>>59992723many sources of non ionizing radiation from ELF to microwaves to radiowaves to wifi activate calcium ion channels causing elevated intracellular calcium and the myriad of issues that come along with that like free radical generation and excitotoxicity
>>59992753The sedentary lifestyle common to most office workers also leads to being overweight without even really trying. The path of least resistance nowadays - drive to work, eat processed food, sit around all day, drive home, watch TV, repeat - inevitably is going to cause weight gain and test loss.
>>59995283>The fearmongering about 5G is dumb as fuck.Much like the fearmongering about 3G, or fearmongering about microwave ovens.
>>59995446Every time a new boogeyman comes out, they forget about the last one and just move the goalposts. Schizos never change
>>59991684>food industry>sedentary lifestyle>obesityThis is pretty much it. The other stuff is just minor details that people like to use as an excuse for their shitty lifestyle.
>>59995229This. You eat a credit card worth of plastic each year and you can't completely prevent it, just mitigate the amount. Also because plastic lasts you're fucking stuck with it until a solution is bioengineered. Multiple times too since the enzymes that breaks down one type probably won't work on every type of plastic.
>>59992863calm down, jude
>>59992863>insecure, racist faggotSo he really is a jew?
>>59991684>exercise and fitness DNE for 90% of normoids>obesity pandemic>plastic>pornSoi isn't as significant of a contributor, but deserves a mention, too.
>>59995633Is there any evidence phytoestrogens have an effect at all on test levels, beyond memes?
>>59992825from my understanding the early human "workday" was much shorter, because working in sunlight for so long waste a lot of energy and water.
endocrine disruptors and vegetable seed oils replacing animal fats
>>59995692Is there any reliable citation for this? Ie. no studies with 10 participants from Zimbabwe
>>59992863I'm actually guessing he could very well be a Jew. You're very obviously supposed to take his post as a joke, it's just an autist like you that would take it as intended to be serious.But a thing you will see Jews do is joke about and strawman the positions of their opponents as ridiculous.In this case it's ridiculous to imagine that they extract from foreskins and inject it into tomboys.But if you go take a look at who is involved in promoting circumcision in America and who is involved in promoting tranny shit - you're gonna find lots of Jews in both camps. Vastly over-represented if not outright dominating and leading it.Would heavily recommend everyone gets this book if they want to know who is in charge of the tranny stuff.
>>59995681Pic rel is a case study, no good research yet. BPS and BPA 100% mimic estradiol and fuck your shit up hormonally, though.
>>59995681i think the amount is minute. Most people here freak out about drinking a bottle of water, but the actuality is that humans can withstand a lot more than we give credit for. I imagine it would be massively overshadowed by the fact that Test levels have been inversely proportional to obesity levels. Phytoestrogens i dont think are too much of an issue to watch out for. The highest sources if flax seeds by a landslide, but they're also present in multigrain bread, strawberries, broccoli, collard greens, cabbage, walnuts, etc...
>>59995702depends how you feel about canadahttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25879308/
>>59991684Besides plastic, contaminated water, etc whatever may or may not be partially responsible, I think obesity and being fat is probably the largest component
>>59992684This is literally professional constructive criticism.
>>59992165>constant exposure to radiation cant be goodYou do understand that light is radiation, right? Sunlight can literally burn your skin. Phones and 5g are fine
>>59995809Backwaters third world country if I ever saw one.
>>59995702https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6513191/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30448205/there's really a ton of research if you just look for it my guy
>>59995809Leaves aren’t humans
>>59991684Feminism. America is a shit test failing beta.
>>59991684There's been studies done on the test levels of men in tribes who live in the amazon, living a pure and natural life and they have really low test levels. Way lower than the average amerifat.
>>59991684Modern blood testing machines are more accurate than ones 50 years ago. The old machines used to give inflated readings.
>>59995857who told you that b the cable company? remember when lead in gasoline and asbestos in your home were totally safe?
>>59995934I can tell you have absolutely zero idea of how radiation works.You probably don't even understand the difference between electromagnetic and nuclear radiation A lightbulb or a remote control is more dangerous than a cellphone.
>>59995911They probably eat shitty meat and shitty vegetables. Also not enough meat.>>59996083Bravo, you defeated him by flashing your sexual obsession.
>>59996138you have to be 18 to post here
>>59991684not enough deenz
>>59991931>2006 was 15 years ago
>>59992076>And no the answer isn’t JewsYes it is, keep deluding yourself
>>59995809Most of us are still normal, our voting g system is just beyond fucked so we have little power to change it and honestly it's not bad enough to revolt yet.
>>59991705that's it thread ends here
>>59991684humans getting comfortable
>>59991705ThisHalf through deliberate malice against goyim, half through cost-cutting measures in order to feed their greed and extract more wealth from goyim.
>>59992204Enjoy hell, heretic.
>>59992590Imagine writing “feminism” in 2021. Not even the feminists are feminists anymore. Even they realize they fucked up big time.
>>59995844shut up faggot kill yourself
>>59991684I got my blood tested for the first time for testosterone in Nov 2020 and got 303 ng/dl. It was the most humiliating thing that happened to me and I don't even know how it got so bad. no wonder I was so confused why my dick didn't work properly. I don't even know how my test got so low because I'm healthy active with a normal bmi. So now I'm taking steps to fix my mess by working out and taking zinc and vitamin D. No morning woods and weak boners still....and it starting to depress me on how it's feels like I'm making no progress. Nofap is my last hope now.
>>59991684What do you think?>>59991705Im so glad uninformed faggots screaming>"Go back to pol"arent demoralizing people from speaking the truth
>>59996583I have raised mine from 250 to mid 900’s. Just blindly taking D3 without knowing levels isn’t good. At T250 I was taking 5K iu and my D was 8. Took a few months of 30k iu to get me to 60 which is perfect. Yes my doc checks blood calcium and kidney function. I maintain at 20k iu a day. But that’s me. Also dieted and lost 60#s. One more is lugol’s 2% iodine drops. 8 drops a day in a bottle of water. You need blood labs to look at DHEA and pronegolone levels. You might just need more sleep. Just don’t look at low testosterone, look at the precursors as well. If you are on a strict diet your T will drop 30-40% from my experience. Alcohol will mess your test up.
>>59991733Unironically this. Its literally everywhere, mass produced trash thats leeched into all environments over the last 70 years, from fish found at the bottom of the ocean to inside unborn babies. Its unavoidable
>>59992165Do you still fear 4G or 3G?
>>59991705This, why do you think testosterone is illegal to buy without a script in America? because it is such a deadly hardcore drug that will cause serious harm or death to you?
>>59991863>1973>not 50 years ago
1. eating cereal for breakfast instead of eggs, bacon, oatmeal, etc.2. kids playing video games instead of playing outside (running, climbing)3. more fast food rather than women who cook fresh meals4. loads of sugar5. Jews
>>59991684>Something alarming is happening between our legs.>Sperm counts have been dropping; infant boys are developing more genital abnormalities; more girls are experiencing early puberty; and adult women appear to be suffering declining egg quality and more miscarriages.>It’s not just humans. Scientists report genital anomalies in a range of species, including unusually small penises in alligators, otters and minks. In some areas, significant numbers of fish, frogs and turtles have exhibited both male and female organs.>Four years ago, a leading scholar of reproductive health, Shanna H. Swan, calculated that from 1973 to 2011, the sperm count of average men in Western countries had fallen by 59 percent. Inevitably, there were headlines about “Spermageddon” and the risk that humans would disappear, but then we moved on to chase other shiny objects.>Now Swan, an epidemiologist at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, has written a book, “Count Down,” that will be published on Tuesday and sounds a warning bell. Her subtitle is blunt: “How our modern world is threatening sperm counts, altering male and female reproductive development, and imperiling the future of the human race.”>Swan and other experts say the problem is a class of chemicals called endocrine disruptors, which mimic the body’s hormones and thus fool our cells. This is a particular problem for fetuses as they sexually differentiate early in pregnancy. Endocrine disruptors can wreak reproductive havoc.>These endocrine disruptors are everywhere: plastics, shampoos, cosmetics, cushions, pesticides, canned foods and A.T.M. receipts. They often aren’t on labels and can be difficult to avoid.>“In some ways, the sperm-count decline is akin to where global warming was 40 years ago,” Swan writes. “The climate crisis has been accepted — at least by most people — as a real threat. My hope is that the same will happen with the reproductive turmoil that’s upon us.”
>>59997444trips of truth
>>59997528>Chemical companies are as reckless as tobacco companies were a generation ago, or as opioid manufacturers were a decade ago. They lobby against even safety testing of endocrine disruptors, so that we have little idea if products we use each day are damaging our bodies or our children. We’re all guinea pigs.>Aside from the decline in sperm counts, growing numbers of sperm appear defective — there’s a boom in two-headed sperm — while others loll aimlessly in circles, rather than furiously swimming in pursuit of an egg. And infants who have had greater exposures to a kind of endocrine disruptor called phthalates have smaller penises, Swan found.>Uncertainty remains, research sometimes conflicts and biological pathways aren’t always clear. There are competing theories about whether the sperm count decline is real and what might cause it and about why girls appear to be reaching puberty earlier, and it’s sometimes unclear whether an increase in male genital abnormalities reflects actual rising numbers or just better reporting.>Still, the Endocrine Society, the Pediatric Endocrine Society, the President’s Cancer Panel and the World Health Organization have all warned about endocrine disruptors, and Europe and Canada have moved to regulate them. But in the United States, Congress and the Trump administration seemed to listen more to industry lobbyists than to independent scientists.>Patricia Ann Hunt, a reproductive geneticist at Washington State University, has conducted experiments on mice showing that the impact of endocrine disruptors is cumulative, generation after generation. When infant mice were exposed for just a few days to endocrine disrupting chemicals, their testes as adults produced fewer sperm, and this incapacity was transmitted to their offspring. While findings from animal studies can’t necessarily be extended to humans, after three generations of these exposures, one-fifth of the male mice were infertile.
>>59997536>“I find this particularly troubling,” Professor Hunt told me. “From the standpoint of human exposures, you could argue we are hitting the third generation just about now.”>What if anything does all this mean for the future of humanity?>“I do not see humans becoming extinct, but I do see family lines ending for a subset of people who are infertile,” Andrea Gore, a professor of neuroendocrinology at the University of Texas at Austin, told me. “People with impaired sperm or egg quality cannot exercise their right to choose to have a child. That may not devastate our species, but it is certainly devastating to these infertile couples.”>More research is necessary, and government regulation and corporate responsibility are crucial to manage risks, but Swan offers practical suggestions for daily life for those with the resources. Store food in glass containers, not plastic. Above all, don’t microwave foods in plastic or with plastic wrap on top. Avoid pesticides. Buy organic produce if possible. Avoid tobacco or marijuana. Use a cotton or linen shower curtain, not one made of vinyl. Don’t use air fresheners. Prevent dust buildup. Vet consumer products you use with an online guide like that of the Environmental Working Group.>Many issues in headlines today won’t much matter in a decade, let alone in a century. Climate change is one exception, and another may be the risks to our capacity to reproduce.>The epitome of a “low blow” is a kick to the crotch. And that, friends, may be what we as a species are doing to ourselves.
>>59996228Indeed you do. Do you parents know that you're talking to people about cuckolding fetishes on the internet? Perhaps your absent father isn't there to steer you straight.>>59997456If you asked him that back when they were new, he'd tell you yes.
>>59991736>society becomes less Christian >testosterone decreases >blames Christians for it
>>59996307goddamnit. it goes so fast and it's only going faster.
>>59991684The declining social role and status of men in general and the xenoextrogens from plastics you touch/store food in. Sounds stupid but metal, wood, and glass are typically more expensive but can often be used for many years and are better for you and your family (furniture, cups, etc).
>>59992197I have always thought we will look back on plastic the same way we look back on medieval medical medical procedures and smoking. what the fuck were we thinking
>>59991753This is the actual answer. Obesity fucks with your hormones especially at a young age.
Probably plastics, definitely less activity/sedentary lifestyle
>>59991684Increasingly sedentary lifestyle
>>59997528>>59997536>>59997547fuck. how do we de-plastic everything?
>>59999000Good question check king
>>59992165/pol/tards are uironically more retarded than redditors
>>59991684>Pesticides disrupt men's testosterone>Vitamin D deficiency >Low cholesterol intake (testosterone is made of cholesterol) >S.o.y. acts like estrogen in body>Low protein diets>Low physical activity>High sugar intake>High vegetable oil intake
>>59999388^Just think about how much less time the average man spends outside in today's world. Also, the rate of obesity is pathetically high.
>>59991684teenage boys act like toddlers.
>>59999881I keep seeing people mention siege. Is it really worth the read?
I believe it was these digits friends
>>59991684>COCP pills start to get widely used during 60s&70s >estrogen originating from birth conyrol pills is also commonly found in water >male testosterone levels start to lower around same time as these pills became popularLuckily there is absolutely no connection between these facts.
Jerking off to people fucking
>>59999929no read Carl Schmitt and Spengler
>>60000191it's all so tiresome lads
>>59999000based quad-trips of damn that's a good question
>>59992602>BEFORE MUH ENGLIGHMENTS LIFE WAS HELLERINOOOOS!!!!
>>59995685Your understanding is right
>>59991684I think it's mostly obesity, overfatness. But I would like to see someone tease apart other causes like teflon, seed oils & hyper processed foods, birth control in the water supply, plastics used for food clothes. Bad air quality, dust from tires, breaks etc.
>>59991684Life no longer being a constant struggle. You can't have both.
>>60000172he really doesent like them, does he
>>59991705And that my friends is what we call an open and shut case
>>59991684>sedentary lifestyle>no sun vitamin D deficency>seed oils,sugar, flour causing metabolic syndrome>obesity>epigeneticsThese are main contributors. Also total test level in blood don't matter that much. It's about how your body responds and utlizes test.
>>59991684Capitalism Every other answer is a cope
>>59997798Lmfao he got destroyed
>>59991792Yes and give your wife progesterone while she's pregnant.
>>59991774another proof that Jews are the embodiment of evil. Stop Jewish Supremacy
>>59997528oh, Jews will never let anybody accept it as a threat. They can always import fertile shitskins that quickly outbreed weak white race.
>>59999000start with killing all Jews around the world
>>60001379brutal truth. They put shit in our foods for more money
>>59991705i was gonna say porn but same thing
Good times create soft men
>>59991753Per usual, the actual correct answer is completely overshadowed for the more exciting DA JOOS answer.
>>59991705Wonder no more, for the truth has been spoken
>>60001379someone down the road selling vegetables they grew in their backyard is also capitalism. Fucking dilate>>60001738you buy it retard.
>>59995309>Being fat>Conspiracy theorists hate this but it's true. Fat puts out aromatase and too much converts testosterones to estrogen. This is easily observed and reversible.>All other factors are possible, but the fact that we've gone from 5% obesity to 50% and a fuckton more going overweight is the best explanationThis.Everyone wants it to be some esoteric substance or societal issue we are subjected to but its really nothing more than>being fat with raises estrogen and lowers test levels>eating unhealthy foods that lead to weight gain and nutrient deficiency >being sedentaryWe need to fix this shit before worrying about plastic and trace chemicals in certain locations drinking water
>>59991774You sick bastard
>>60001844Except that there is a noted decline in generational testosterone even when adjusted for obesity. There are myriad factors, obesity only being one of them.
>>599916844chan, at least for the last 14 years.
>>59991774I’m sending this post to Alex Jones right now. Count your days, Pinhead.
>>59991684carbs and >>59991705
>>60002111>Tim pool tier "analysis"Wasted trips.
>>59999303$oy is message filtered
>Increase in obesity>Increase in shitty non-nutrional diets>Increase in stress>Increase in sedetentation>Decrease in sleepPeople are living shittier lifestyles than ever, with an ever increasing stress-load. Mental illness is on a steep increase aswell. What do you expect really?
>>60000191>>60000222Oh gee, /pol/ doomer screencaps are indeed evidence.
>>60001548What would that do? Sources, both from diet, and papers backing this up?
>>59992430Underrated and based.Many things are as easy as looking back into time.
>>59992602Acute vs chronic
>>59991792Cope. You, as a man, depend on doctors to inject male hormones to your buttcheeks. You are not a real man.
>>60003762Use topical progest-e. It will make your kids smart as fuck. Source: Ray Peat
>>60000967Why should anyone?
>>60000371Read the last sentence. I'm not saying pre industrial society was awful, only that they also had a lot of stress factors.
I have not been on here for quite some time.Holy fucking christ you guys look retarded once the outside perspective kicks in. Like genuinely fucking retarded. Most of you are a bunch of wojak spitting drones that want your chinese ceramic deco forum to tell you what to think and do. Fucking pathetic Get honestly fucked, lot of mongoloids, can't believe i spent so much time in this retarded pisshole.
>>59991684Industrial pollution, birth control & resulting dysgenics.
Bad diets Far too much pornography which is too easily accessible at too young an age Cultural shift which centered treating everyone nice over distributing hard truths and telling people to accept them (see fat acceptance shit and general tumblr hugboxing becoming a mainstream cultural norm in the West now) Demonization of exercise or hard physical labor All these things inter-relate too. After the 1970s, when Western capital decided that it would be best to flee to third world nations and basically use their citizens as slave labor to fuel the consumer economy and the emerging "soft" labor re: tech and academia it became necessary to make hard work seem like something only poor faggots like white trash and illegal immigrants did and make jobs you need to go to college for a million years to even have a chance of getting look hip
>>60005476tbqh the recent elections dragged in so many fucking tourist newfags that most of 4chan is nowhere near as fun as it used to be. Purging half of the userbase from here would make it a lot more fun again.
>>59992387P lasticE strogen waterN o sunlightI nactivityS hit food
>>60005476This is fucking based. So tired of retards quoting incelwiki shit and basing their worldview on 4chan posts.
>>59992863I’m an actual jew, he is larping but he’s right tho, no one calls goys “goyim”, even though that would be the correct way to say it, we call them “goys” and “goy”. At least from where I come from.
>>59997528>>59997536>>59997547Ted was fucking right
>>59996597Facha que cojo, balazo en el ojo.
>>60007006I can't take Ted Kaczynski seriously.