what the FUCK is the point of natural lifting???14 WEEKS. Literally 3 months to go from dyel flab to pre-otter mode. Gain muscle AND lose fat at the same time. AT FUCKING 32 YEARS OLD???holy shit he saved almost a fucking year of his life. Hours in the gym, all that saved money on nutrition. WTF? If you make any decent money that is a HELL of a worthwhile investment
>>49118029Uh dude we've been saying that.
>>49118029Natural lifters who do it right look better. Roiders have this really creepy almost greyish bumpy looking skin composition.
he needs it since hes already 32. I'm young and have time to get to that naturally
>>49118029>roiding to get big and scary>thinking being big gets you laid and will win fights>Find out girls find your roid skin and roid personality revolting >still lose fights because you have no endurance and throwing your roid arms around exhausts you. People who roid are no better than fags and thots. Have fun blowing your nuts out and then pretending taking your vitamins after your cycle will stop the side effects.
>>49118029I used steroids for a couple of yearsAfter coming off I had libido issues for months and monthsTren was interesting. Really deleterious to my mental health but also gave me this weird asshole vigour, almost addictive. You need to have everything planned and got well in advance because people react differently to different things, so keep as many variants of sarm/ai/prolactin inhibitor that you can afford if you're gonna mix compounds especiallyReally great fun, if you're running a lot/lots of tren/masteron it gets pretty expensive, can cause havoc to your libido and I'm pretty low-key convinced they make you gayOverall 7/10 would recommend I'm Natty now because I'm old and the thought of all those pins and pills is nasty
>>49118142>im natty nowNice cope. Thanks for leaving more pussy for the rest of us old man, you're on death row now.
>>49118162EssentiallyYou can have the pussy I'm legit gay now possibly thanks to tren
>>49118029You're not looking at the bigger picture. What happens when he stops? Will he stop? Will he up the dose? Will he lose his hair? Lots of Qs here. Look at Zyzz, Connor Murphy etc
>>49118029those gyno nipples look very suckable
>>49118055Depends on goals and compounds
>>49118029link to thread?
>>49118029You could do this in 14 natty, if you aren't a pussy.>Also OP is a triple nigger faglet for having no work ethic, phone posting and visiting plebbit.
The only people get test if they get body dismorphia, you don't realize how low the bar is in real life, you dont realize how fit you are to most girl by being somewhat fit
>>49118029Then do it faggot and don't come crying to /fit/ when you snap your bicep tendon doing preacher curls or some shit
>>49118029>holy shit he saved almost a fucking year of his life.You mean he missed 5 years of his life
>>49118029>tfw you treat life like a race despite the fact that everyone is guaranteed to cross the finish line
>>49118029Stop browsing reddit nigger.
Shit like this OP is why roids always struck me like something a desperate teenager who can't patiently wait for results would do. I see absolutely no reason why you can't wait a few months to see results instead of having to have them now.If you're an adult, you've already seen guys let themselves go by the time they're 30 and developing health problems by the time they're 40. You choose to focus on longevity. Lifting is about looking good but also ensuring you'll look and feel good when you're 50. You don't put shit in your system unless a doctor tells you to. I see teens at the gym abusing drugs, doing stupid ego lifting that will get them injured and fuck their joints up, eating tons of shit for dirty bulking, basically setting the scene for looking and feeling like shit by their late 20s, all in order to get a body that repels women. Learn to have some patience and foresight dude.
>>49118261>thanks to trenRiight. You're literally admitting you're gay but you're still closeted about it. How can you be openly gay and closeted at the same time
everyone is missing the point that:>lifting for 10 yearsalthough he is chubby in the before picture, he does have muscle... and he does (if we beleive him) say that he's been lifting for 10 years,essentially the cycle leaned him out, and added muscle and definition...yes - the steroids SERIOUSLY helped him... but - he did the groundwork naturally. If he didnt have the training experience and presumably the base level of strength, the cycle wouldve barely helped him... he had his diet and training already down.
>>49119013not really, its like those bullshit workout/diet routines that have a before and after picture that looks dramatic - but all that has really happened is...>fat loss>better lighting>flexed and pumped
>>49118413He just fast forwarded
>>49118079So you’re saying all hope is lost?>t. 38 yo boomer
It’s funny because it’s so obvious when some faggot is using tren. Know some kid, good kid, obviously super insecure who took tren after hardly natty lifting and he just looks off. Like he’s muscular and shit but something doesn’t seem right about it, like it looks weird on his frame. Tren is so bad for you it’s unreal. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. You will look like an insecure fool, will have to lie to everyone you know, will reduce your life span etc... why do a cycle ?
>>49118435>based and /lit/pilled
>>49118334Pretty much this..14 weeks for 22lbs of muscle is entirely attainable natty. Likely would end up a percent or 2 higher in body fat. So i guess it makes sense if you're too pathetic to lift natty.
>>49119264The average Natty can gain one pound of muscle per month... Retard...
If I already do hard drugs should I just bite the bullet and roid?
>>49119107Why are you so afraid of steroids? They're not as harsh as all you scaredy fucks make them out to be.
>>49119318no its only 3-5 lbs of muscle a year
>>49119403> Why are you so afraid of steroids? One reason is because it can literally turn you into a limped dicked faggot with major depression.
>>49119085You said it. Not me
>>49118554>Lifting is about looking good but also ensuring you'll look and feel good when you're 50.There are quite a few reasons to think a well-balanced roid+HGH stack does excellent things for your longevity
>>49118029>14 WEEKS. Literally 3 months to go from dyel flab to pre-otter modeIt sounds good but only on paper.>He was pinning tren for 14 weeks for a total of almost 9ml which means he used 9 vials of tren which is ~$360 for the tren alone>He was pinning both test and tren every single day for 3 months straight and as he said, he got a lot of pain>He couldn't get proper sleep for 3 months straight due to tren insomnia
>>49119629i ment 90ml of tren, not 9
>>49118029>on and off liftingYou can do this naturally with good dieting and a good lifting regimen, it just takes way longer
>>49118554Dude, the dude went through chemo.The cancer can come back at any moment and his balls are as good as dead.No reason not to make the most of the time he has left instead of hoping to be the best-looking 70 years old in the old people home.
>>49119356yeah why not go the Zyzz route and die in yours 20s
>>49118435Why settle for the participation medal when you can take first place
>>49118029his nipples matehe looks like he can give milk.
>>49119707>he thinks someone is watching, let alone handing out medalsYou go get that cheese anon!
>>49118029If you don't look like right pic naturally then you have bad genes and should consider ending it.Taking roids to look like a healthy male just means you'll look even shittier when you get off it and your body no longer produces test naturally.
>>49119913>ever getting off
>>49119356No or keep it on a low t cycle. I'm an ex h addict and your body just isnt designed for all that chemical input , limit both
>>49118029>14 WEEKS. Literally 3 months to go from dyel flab to pre-otter modeLift more. Obviously
>>49119913So much this.
>>49119707>Here lies anon, he was slightly larger than average and achieved it quicker>RIPSweet medal bro
>>49119085No it isn't test starts to decline in your mid thirties, luckily our generation still has enough of it. Zoomers on the other hand are so low test that like a quarter of them wants to become women outright, while the rest needs to pin to resemble something that could be called a man.
>>49118029>what the FUCK is the point of natural lifting???Actively getting healthier instead of destroying your body because you're impatient.
>>49118029It took him three months to get that pathic bullshit? You can get that with 5 months of hard training as a natural. He's a lazy faggot who permanently ruined his mind and shortened his life because he couldn't do the work for a 5 goddamned months.Best part is that his test levels might be permanently lowered and he'll be even worse off after he stops his excessive gear abuse. For gods sake, tren is the most toxic gear you can take. The one that we know for sure leaves long lasting mental problems and damages the brain permanently. Why not just basic fucking test.Workout hard, eat well, take 150mg test + hcg for a fucking month and see where it gets you.
>>49120170Here lies another anon. He's name was never known because he spent his days in his mummys basement larping on mongolian basket weaving forums.
>>49118029>Some Reddit faggot who was lifting on and off couldn't achieve anything without external chemical help because he's pathetic>Hurr durr why even try without taking a bunch of shitWell tbf if you're so weak and dumb that you will never escape looking like pic 1, then yeah go for it. If you're actually ready for hard work and relatively smart programming, you can look better than pic 2 easily
>>49120265Larping as what?
>>49118843I'm not closeted lol I have a boyfriend
>>49120170How small do you have to be to think steroids are dangerous?
>>49120759why do roidcels argue like females?
>>49120759>roiders are immortalok dude
>>49118029The fuck is someone taking tren on a first cycle for?My first (and only) cycle was 14 week e-test and my gains absolutely fucking exploded, I was natty for 3 weeks before and I had a 400lb squat/500diddy/250-300 bench (can't precisely remember) beforehand so I wasnt new. I didn't get many sides while on as I stuck to 1 compound. I was a bit down for the first weeks coming off PCT but that's all. On cycle you feel powerful and your energy levels are through the roof while on. Confidence and libido was insane. But anyway, what a waste of a first cycle, he doesnt even look like he's run a novice cycle in p.1. You'd also expect more from a tren/test cycle, so his diet and routine was probably dogshit. This is why you should get your shit together before you cycle. Guy will lose his gains within a couple months and look like the first pic.
>>49122040>Weeks I meant years, sorry faggots
>>49118029wtf are those nipples?
>>49118435Nice. Really good thought if yours, proper use of quote if not. Gives some perspective to things.
>>49118029>known benefits>known downsidesWhy does it blow people's minds that it's a good idea for some people and a bad idea for others?
>>49118128lol, I roid and girls fucking love it. Not because I fight or look pristine, but because I have a good body and I'm not an asshole to them. Grow a pair and work on your personality, beta.
>>49118128How bad will it get if I use roids with my already revolting personality
>>49118128Fighters are on the juice as well. Look at Jon Jones and majority of the Pride HW’s (except maybe Fedor).
>>49121370Why do anti steroid niggers have absolutely no argument and instead resort to strawman?
When is it acceptable to roid? I’m natty but there’s things that hold me back from progressing further and I can’t fix it after several attempts.
Fucking roiders>hit the gym just for girls>too weak for actual discipline and long term profit>start roiding, gain crazy muscle>girls still don’t care>fucked up skin, balls, hormone levels etc after cycle>b-but v-vitamins will prevent this, r-right?>at some point can’t keep up this lifestyle anymore, lose gains, become a bitter unhealthy fag who looks like utter shit>meanwhile nattys are still at it, making gains, being healthy and happyWhy are people so fucking dumb?
>>49118142man, you must elaborate on this gay conversion thing. You say you turned gay from using tren?You sure you were straight before?How'd you realize the conversion?Tell me everything, this is fucking interesting
>>49122280When you are fine with dying at your 50's
>>49122216They certainly used to be in the UFC, but a lot of guys seem to have deflated after testing was stepped up.Pride is a dead fed
>>49122189>Roiding for girls>calling people "beta"Fuck id love to see your 5'8 manlet body.
>>49118029Why are his nipples puffy in left pic?
>>49123436Kek. People who roid and are below 6'0 have the worst overcompensating manlet syndrome.
>>49122189Any girl who’s into guys that roid is trashy as hell lmao. That’s not a bragging point Dick skin
>>49122212Won’t effect anything, you already don’t have friends might as well give them a physical reason as to why that is
>>49123940Never seen a roider be the picture of health at his 50s
>>49118029You do realize a good number of this board agrees that natural lifting is a joke? The remaining ones that don't are just copers.
>>49118029The only people on this board who feel the way you do are people who are genetically inferior and need to do steroids to attain what any man with good genetics can attain naturally. I looked better than that guy after 7 months of bodyweight training as a teenager.
>>49118029itt roiders act like they're superior to people by acting incredibly insecure
>>49118029>previously lifted 10 years on and offIts dat muscle memory
seems pretty retarded to run gear when you're just gonna do arms and lose weight
>>49118029for all the natty lifters ITT:>all the top finance guys are on adderal and modafinil>all the top artists in every fine art, literature, music are on LSD or psyciblin>all the top athletes are on steroids in the off season>you take 5+ years of perfect diet and exercise to barely get out of DYEL based on "your principles">YOU ARE GAY
>>49118540based and underrated
>>49119595How many heart surgeries has Arnie had recently? If you were saying a low test cycle I might agree but bs on the hgh
>>49123940Zyzz, piano, you could count the golden age bodybuilders still alive using your fingers, Arnie’s had like 5 heart surgeries as well as a dozen skeletal issues.
>>49124218>all the top finance guys are on adderal and modnifalNo the top finance guys are people with connections and/or jews>all the top artists in every fine art, literature, music are on LSDNo they aren’t, name three famous writers on that shit. And they do cocaine not lsd, getting high doesn’t make you creative that’s a fucking lie by druggies>all the top athletes are on steroids in the off seasonDepends on the sport
>>49124218There's natural greats in those pursuits too.The candle that burns twice as hot burns half as long.I don't take risky performance enhancements but I don't knock those that do it willingly either. So long as you know the consequences, go ahead and explore the absolute limits of your biology.If there was a drug league for sports I would probably watch it more than the natty leagues.Leave humanity behind if you want, it's got it's own merits to do so.
>>49118029My natty goals.Year 1. 1/2/3/4 for repsYear 2. 2.5/4/5 1rmYear 3. 3/5/6 1rmYear 4. Maintain strength, increase reps, trim the fat.Currently at 18 months Will be 30 by year 3.I've seen too many absolute trainwrecks from steroids.If I can keep this up for 15 years maybe I can allow myself a little test when I start hitting my mid 40s once I've seen if all you fuckers end up needing kidney transplants.
>>49119422No, its 1.5 grams per week
>>49118142>>49122314"they make you gay"